1 MINUTES
CITY COUNCIL - REGULAR MEETING
CITY OF BANNING, CALIFORNIA
May 27, 2025 Council Chambers
5:00 p.m. 99 E. Ramsey Street
In Chambers Banning, CA 92220
The following information comprises the minutes for the regular meeting of the Banning City Council, a joint meeting of the City Council and Banning Utility Authority, and the Banning City Council sitting in its capacity as the Banning Successor Agency Board.
1. CALL TO ORDER - 5:27 p.m.
1.1 INVOCATION
Performed by Todd Oldenburg of Thrive Church
1.2 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
1.3 ROLL CALL
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: Council Member Cynthia Barrington Mayor Sheri Flynn
Council Member Leroy Miller
Mayor Pro Tem Richard Royce
Council Member Colleen Wallace
COUNCIL MEMBERS ABSENT: None
OTHERS PRESENT: John O. Pinkney, City Attorney
Robert Fisher, Acting City Manager
Vickie Sellers, City Clerk
Caroline Patton, Administrative City Clerk
2. AGENDA APPROVAL
2.1 AGENDA APPROVAL
Motion to approve the agenda made by Councilmember Wallace and seconded by Councilmember Miller. Motion carried unanimously 5-0.
3. PRESENTATIONS
4. REPORT ON CLOSED SESSION
John Pinkney, City Attorney provided the report.
5. PUBLIC COMMENTS, CORRESPONDENCE, APPOINTMENTS, AND REPORTS 2 5.1 PUBLIC COMMENTS
Nathan Martinez owner of Sundial Collective, spoke on the cannabis tax revenue to city receives and noted that lowering taxes and increased discrepancies have allowed the illicit market to continue, which impacts the city budget. He emphasized better city council coordination to support legal business and help them thrive.
Carlos Zapata emphasized the City’s obligation to follow what the voter’s intended rather than through emotion and then to regulate appropriately. He noted that other Riverside County cities have implemented similar measures and cautioned that failure to act could limit future state options.
Lynnea Hagen asked for City Council to consider returning the City logo back to Stagecoach Town USA.
Sue Savage urged the City council to address homelessness, improve schools, and modernize business processes to attract residents, businesses and investment, contrasting Banning’s stagnation with Beaumont’s growth and calling for a comprehensive strategy for progress.
Devin Julian representing Culture Cannabis Club, requested that the City review and amend the cannabis ordinance to reduce the tax rate from 10% to 5% to remain competitive with surrounding jurisdictions. He cited increased competition, rising operational costs, and higher effective tax rates, and sated that relief is needed to support the sustainability of legal permitted cannabis businesses.
Jeff representing Harvest Corner requested that the City investigate retail cannabis tax rates and consider reducing the tax from 10% to 5%, citing changes in other jurisdictions and concerns that high taxes drive consumers to unlicensed markets. The speaker stated that a lower rate could help sustain legal businesses.
5.2 CORRESPONDENCE
Vickie Sellers, Elected City Clerk read a letter into the record.
5.3 APPOINTMENTS
5.4 CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE REPORTS
Councilmember Wallace attended SANDAG regarding a CA/Baja border resilience plan, noting that the committee is not only committed to assisting on the border, but addresses reginal transportation plans, infrastructure, water and safety issues. She noted discussions about funding, tribal involvement and water impacts.
Mayor Pro Tem Royce, reported attending the ICS Conference in Nevada, noting discussions on market trends, networking with cities, developers and business and efforts to promote available projects and properties in Banning to attract future entail and economic development opportunities.
Councilmember Miller shared updates about the RTA purchasing 24 new minibuses which will enhance routes from Moreno Valley to Banning and reduce commute times. He also mentioned a successful Coffee with a Cop event at Starbucks, where about 30 people attended and engaged with officers and the Chief for nearly two hours.
Mayor Flynn reported attended the 2-day ICSC Conference in Las Vegas and met with representatives from several retails not currently operating in California. She also attended the 3 Budget and Finance Committee meeting on the 20th regarding electric cost of service analysis and rate design. She also reported participating in an animal shelter tour on the 21st and there is a follow up meeting scheduled for June 4th. She attended the fire station’s future needs meeting with city staff and fire services. Finally, the first 2x2 truck route meeting with the City of Beaumont is scheduled for June 5th. Hillwood will present options on the airport property.
5.5 CITY MANAGER'S REPORT
Robert Fisher, Acting City Manager, provided an update regarding continuing encampment clean up’s and hiring a new code enforcement officer.
5.6 CITY ATTORNEY'S REPORT
John Pinkney, City Attorney noted the rules of procedure.
5.7 CITY TREASURER'S REPORT
Sue Savage, City Treasurer, raised concerns regarding a lack of access to financial data and transparency, noting that requested information has not been provided by Finance or clarified by the City Attorney. She reported that the consent agenda includes items totaling an estimated $1.9 million in increased spending without identified offsetting revenues or expense reductions. Based on the city’s population, this increase was described as potentially unsustainable. She thanked the residents of Banning and reaffirmed her commitment to fiscal transparency and accountability.
6. CONSENT ITEMS
The following items have been recommended for approval and will be acted upon simultaneously, unless a member of the City Council/Banning Utility Authority/Successor Agency Board wishes to remove an item for separate consideration.
Items pulled from the Consent Item Calendar: 6.1, 6.11, 6.12, 6.2, 6.20 6.15, 6.16 Mayor Flynn opened public comment for items not pulled.
None
Mayor Flynn closed public comment for items not pulled.
Motion to approve items not pulled made by Councilmember Wallace and seconded by Councilmember Barrington.
Motion carried unanimously by a vote of 5-0.
6.1 Receive and File Police Department Statistics for the Month of April 2025 Council questions:
Mayor Flynn asked about the offense report and the difference between aggravated and simple assault. She also asked about Drug/Narcotic violations noting it was up 40% and also noticed an increase in crimes in society.
Councilmember Miller asked about animal control statistics, noting he would like to see it reported at council meetings. He also asked about burglary, asking about the dramatic drop.
Councilmember Wallace clarified if there are homeless related statistics in the report.
Mayor Flynn opened public comment
4 None
Mayor Flynn closed public comment
6.2 Receive and File Fire Protection Services Statistics for the Month of April 2025 Council questions:
Mayor Flynn asked about the citations issued, noting there are no fees collected, asking that if they comply there is no fee.
Mayor Pro Tem Royce asked about a false alarm fine.
Mayor Flynn opened public comment
None
Mayor Flynn closed public comment
6.3 Public Works Capital Improvement Project Tracking List
6.4 Receive and File Code Enforcement Statistics for the Month of April 2025
6.5 City Council Travel and Conference Expense Report Year to Date Through April 2025
6.6 Receive and File Contracts Approved Under the City Manager's Signature Authority and Inventory Reports for April 2025
6.7 Community Cleanup and Compost Giveaway Event Update
6.8 Accept as Complete Various Improvements Related to the Atwell Specific Plan Development and Authorize 90% Reduction of the Improvement Bonds
6.9 Consideration of Accepting an Easement from Tri-Pointe Homes for Storm Drain Purposes Within Tract 37388-6 and 37388-7 of the Atwell Project
6.10 Approval of Temporary Right of Entry Agreement with Southern California Gas Company (SoCalGas) for Pipeline Replacement Project at APN 532-130-012
6.11 Consideration of Resolution 2025-66, Consolidated Approval of Software-as-a-Service Projects Utilized Citywide.
Council questions:
Mayor Flynn noted the number of software contracts and asked about consolidation of the software services, asking if that project has begun.
Mayor Pro Tem Royce noted false alarm software, noting it seemed useless if the City does not charge for false alarm calls.
Mayor Flynn opened public comment
Diego Rose voices frustration with overreliance on technology, stating that many software systems are unreliable, depend on poor data, and create barriers between the public and service providers. He cautioned against replacing human interaction with automated systems and urged greater accountability and evaluation of long-term technology failures.
Frank Conolly noted that there is a special false alarm system in place, particularly during high wind days, which can trigger impacts. He stated that staff can review and explore the processes.
Mayor Flynn closed public comment.
5 Motion made by Councilmember Wallace to approve Resolution 2025-66 and seconded by Councilmember Miller.
Motion carried unanimously by a 5-0 vote.
6.12 Consideration of Resolution 2025-67, Approving Amendment No.1 to the Landscape Operation and Maintenance Contract for Landscape Maintenance District No. 1 with Mariposa Landscapes, Inc. of Irwindale, California for Fiscal Year 2025/2026 in the Amount of $90,002
Council questions:
Councilmember Barrington asked how many employees could be hired for the same price as the Mariposa contracts.
Mayor Flynn opened public comment
Diego Rose, expressed concerns about inefficient landscape and water maintenance, as well as unclear responsibility among the city, contractors, HOAs, and builders. He urged the city to coordinate resources better, plan for expiring contracts, streamline and reduce bureaucracy to improve efficiency and long-term city maintenance.
John Hagen, reported an ongoing sprinkler valve leak in their zone that has caused slippery conditions and safety concerns, despite being reported to the city. He stated that the landscape company is not properly monitoring or maintaining the system, resulting in dead plans and wasted water. He questioned how a $3,000 surplus in the zone’s account will be used, expressed concern over a proposed $90,000 budget increase and suggested the city consider continuing to outsource landscaping is an efficient use of funds.
Juanita Diaz, expressed long-standing concerns about the city’s park and landscape maintenance contracts, particularly the Mariposa contract, which she stated was approved without proper bids or documentation. She reported ongoing sprinkler issues at Lions park, lack of oversight, and poor maintenance of parks and streets despite repeated complaints and photo documentation. She criticized the city’s reliance on contractors, questioned where allocated park funds are being spent, and urged the council and city management to personally inspect conditions, improve oversight, and hold staff and contractors accountable.
Mayor Flynn closed public comment
Council discussion:
Mayor Pro Tem Royce asked who the prior contractor was and why the contract was severed. He also noted that based on comments, it appears Mariposa is not doing their job.
Mayor Flynn asked about the oversight that the City provides for the Mariposa contracts Councilmember Barrington agreed with consolidating all of the parcels together so that it is easier to view, noting that she is in favor of higher more staff to perform the job duties. She also asked if the contracts can be one year versus five years to allow for evaluation.
Motion to approve Resolution 2025-67 made by Mayor Flynn and seconded by Councilmember Wallace.
Motion carries unanimously 5-0
6 6.13 Consideration of Resolution 2025-68, Authorizing Staff to Execute an Agreement Regarding Construction and Maintenance of Interim Storm Water Retention Basin and Covenant Running with the Land with Tri-Pointe Homes for Interim Stormwater Facilities Within the Atwell Project
6.14 Consideration of Resolution 2025-70, Approving Amendment No. 4 to the Professional Services Agreement with Albert A. Webb Associates, Inc. for an Additional Amount of $57,080 for Environmental Permitting Related Biological Studies for the Sun Lakes Boulevard Extension Project
Mayor Flynn opened public comment
None
Mayor Flynn closed public comment.
Motion to approve Resolution 2025-70 made by Mayor Pro Tem Royce and seconded by Councilmember Wallace
Motion carried unanimously 5-0.
6.15 Consideration of Resolution 2025 -71, Approving the Fourth Amendment for Contract Services (C00698) for Landscape Maintenance Services for Banning City Parks with Mariposa Landscapes, Inc. in the not too exceed amount of $167,296.95 for FY 2025/26 Mayor Flynn opened public comment
Diego Rose, requested that accountability measures be included with the proposed resolutions to ensure contracted services are actually performed. He cited ongoing, unresolved maintenance issues, including sprinkler repairs, and emphasized that resident reports and public input should result in action. He expressed concern that approving the resolutions would lead to another year of the same issues without enforcement.
Mayor Flynn closed public comment
Council discussion:
Mayor Flynn noted that she felt the Council was clear in its direction.
Motion to approve Resolution 2025 -71 made Councilmember Wallace and seconded by councilmember Miller
Motion carried unanimously 5-0.
6.16 Consideration of Resolution 2025-73, Approving Amendment No. 6 to the Professional Services Agreement with Mariposa Landscapes, Inc. in the Amount of $171,320 for FY 2025/2026 City Property Landscape Maintenance
6.17 Consideration of Resolution 2025-74, Authorizing the City Manager to Execute the Reimbursement Agreement for Preliminary Engineering Services with Union Pacific Railroad in the Amount “Not-to-Exceed” $450,000 for the Hargrave Street Grade Separation Project
6.18 Consideration of Resolution 2025 -75, Approving Amendment No. 2 to the Custodial Services Agreement to Executive Facilities Services, Inc. for Custodial Services at City Facilities in the Amount of $224,512
7 6.19 Consideration of Resolution 2025- 76, Approving Amendment No. 1 to a Sole Source Agreement with CASC Engineering and Consulting, Inc. ("CASC") for Consulting Services Related to the Focused General Plan Update in an Amount of $229,268 for a Total Contract Amount Not to Exceed $415,753
6.20 Consideration of Resolution 2025-77, Awarding a Construction Contract for Project No. 2022- 05 Ramsey Street and Omar Street Intersection Improvements, to Van Engineering, Inc. in the Amount of $649,954 and approving a 10% contingency for a total budget of “Not-toExceed” $714,949.40 Council questions:
Mayor Flynn noted that this was passed in 2021, 2022, 2025 and now the project is ready to be completed.
Councilmember Miller asked about sidewalks on both sides of the street. He also asked about a waterline project, and whether the work would have to be torn up for that project.
Mayor Flynn opened public comment
Diego Rose, stated that they have raised concerns about this intersection for many years and have extensive firsthand knowledge of its safety issues. He expressed frustration that the proposed safety corridor project does not include a sidewalk on the south side, removes existing driveway access to their property, and may increase hazards for pedestrians, cyclists, and service vehicles. He expressed that City departments have failed to coordinate planning efforts, which could worsen safety conditions despite the project. While not opposing the approval, he requested City assistance and better planning to address the ongoing and unnecessary safety risks at the intersection.
Mayor Flynn closed public comment
Council discussion:
Councilmember Miller noted that he believes the council would be in favor of finding more money to add a sidewalk to the South side of Ramsey in this location Motion to approve Resolution 2025-77 made by Councilmember Wallace and seconded by Councilmember Miller
Motion carried unanimously 5-0
6.21 Consideration of Resolution 2025-78, Adopting the Revised City of Banning Manual of Procedural Guidelines
Council questions:
Mayor Flynn asked about the guidelines for the one-hour extensions of city council meetings.
Councilmember Wallace clarified where reports from different assigned committees would take place.
Mayor Flynn commented that moving announcements closer to the start of the meeting would be more beneficial to the public.
Mayor Flynn opened public comment
8 Frank Conolly confirmed, because he had to step out, what the Council had decided for votes surrounding the extension of meetings.
Mayor Flynn closed public comment
Motion to approve Resolution 2025-78 made by Mayor Pro Tem Royce and seconded by Mayor Flynn.
Motion passes with a 4-1 vote.
7. PUBLIC HEARINGS
7.1 Consideration of (1) Resolution 2025-59, Approving the Banning Commerce Center Project by Sansone Group, Including a Design Review Application, Case DR 21-7017, for the Construction of a 1,320,284-Square Foot Industrial Warehouse Building on 131.28-acres of Land Generally Located North of the I-10 Freeway/E. Ramsey Street, East of N. Hathaway Street and Bisected by Wilson Street ("Project Site") and a Tentative Parcel Map Application, Case TPM 38756, for the Subdivision of the 131- 28-acre Project Site into Three Numbered Lots for Private Development Improvements and Four Lettered Lots for Right-of-Way and Other Improvements; (2) Resolution 2025-60, Certifying the Environmental Impact Report (SCH No. 2022090102), Adopting Findings and a Statement of Overriding Considerations, and Adopting a Mitigation Monitoring and Reporting Program for the Banning Commerce Center Project Consisting of a 1,320,284-Square Foot Industrial Warehouse Building on 131.28-acres of Land Located on the Project Site; and (3) Introduction and First Reading of Ordinance 1609, Approving a Development Agreement By and Between the City of Banning and JDJN Enterprises, LLC, a Missouri Limited Liability Corporation David Newell, Community Development Director, provided the staff report.
Council questions:
Mayor Flynn inquired about the number of trucks per day that would be entering and exciting the project and asked if the count included the Robertson’s Ready-Mix trucks as well.
Councilmember Wallace confirmed her agreement with the project, and she strongly agrees that the project will bring business and positivity to the east side of town.
Samsone Group representative spoke, reiterating that they had made their presentation at the last meeting, noting they believed it is a great project to come to Banning.
Mayor Flynn opened public hearing
Louis Lopez stressed that hiring local union apprentices ensures the city gets quality work for the wages paid, noting apprentices progress through a four-year training program. He clarified that these are not temporary jobs but long term, structured training positions.
Juan Serrano voices strong support for the project, emphasizing that it will provide stable, wellpaying jobs for local workers. He noted the developer’s commitment to hiring skilled local labor and paying livable wages, which keeps economic benefits within the community. He stated that the project supports local families, strengthens the community, and urged approval of the project.
The speaker shared their experience working at a women’s discipleship home and explained that projects like this one create meaningful employment opportunities for women reentering into the workforces. She emphasized that such projects help community members find stability, grow and thrive and urged consideration of the populations she represented. 9 Zack Straussford expressed support for the project on behalf of Care CA stating that it reflects the will of the impacted community and that the constituents overwhelmingly support it. He thanked the council for considering and amplifying the community’s voice and urged approval of the project.
Robert Ramos of Ironworkers Local 416 spoke in support of the project, emphasizing the importance of livable wages and career opportunities for the local community. He highlighted apprenticeship programs in the trades as viable career paths for local youth, including high school graduates and urged approval of the project.
Kathleen Dale recommended that the approval of the resolutions include consistency with the Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan as required by the municipal code and the city’s implementation agreement. She urged the city to provide an interim truck routing solution to reduce traffic on Hathaway near home by constructing alternative road connections until a permanent freeway interchange is completed.
Mayor Flynn closed public hearing
Council discussion:
Councilmember Barrington mentioned that it was important that Ms. Wallace’s constituents are in support of the project. She noted that the area is zoned for industrial, nothing it’s important that the city does not send a message that they are against all warehouses. She believes it is a project that warrants approval.
Councilmember Miller spoke of agreement with Councilmember Barrington and Wallace. He asked about the intersection of Hargrave and Ramsey, and if there were any plans to improve it.
Councilmember Barrington mentioned that a solution for these intersections could include restriping or eliminating a right hand turn lane.
Mayor Flynn asked if there was a way to have a condition of approval Motion to adopt Resolution 2025-59 made by Councilmember Wallace and seconded by Mayor Pro Tem Royce
Motion carried unanimously 5-0.
Motion to adopt Resolution 2025-60 with changes made by Councilmember Wallace and seconded by Mayor Pro Tem Royce.
Motion carried unanimously 5-0.
Vickie Sellers, read Public Hearing by title only. Moton made by Mayor Pro Tem Royce and seconded by Councilmember Miller.
Motion carried unanimously 5-0.
8. REPORTS OF OFFICERS
8.1 Update of the ATP Cycle 7 Grant Application “City of Banning Downtown Active Transportation Improvement Project” Submittal and Seeking Concurrence to reapply for Cycle 8 10 Nate Smith, Deputy Public Works Director, provided the staff report.
Council questions:
Councilmember Miller clarified how much staff time this would require.
Councilmember Wallace asked if staff had reached out to SCAG.
Mayor Flynn opened public comment
None
Mayor Flynn closed public comment
Council discussion:
Consensus to move forward.
8.2 Consideration of Resolution 2025-72, Amending Administrative Policy (AP) No. B-35 – Grant Management/Administration
Nicole Jews, HR Manager provided the staff report.
Council questions:
Mayor Flynn confirmed that all grants require approval from the City Council.
Mayor Pro Tem Royce mentioned smaller, one-time grants should be approved by staff.
Mayor Flynn confirmed money limits for council approval for grant application purposes.
Mayor Flynn opened public comment
None
Mayor Flynn closed public comment
8.3 Consideration of Homeless Services
Robert Fisher, Acting City Manager, provided the staff report.
Council questions:
Mayor Pro Tem Royce mentioned reworking grant money and petitioning the grant issuer to change the funds and see if it is approved, noting there is currently no funds that he knows of.
Councilmember Wallace asked if SWAG came back with by laws and governing documents.
Mayor Flynn mentioned the amount of money used to pay salaries at Opportunity village, mentioned the money could be places towards outreach. She asked SWAG if they could intervene and get an individual housed same day.
Mayor Pro Tem Royce asked if the money for salaries mentioned were coming from the grant.
Councilmember Miller mentioned that there is not a guarantee that the State will allow for the money to be reallocated. Mr. Miller mentioned that the council should find out whether there is money going to be available before moving forward.
11 Mayor Pro Tem Royce mentioned it being beneficial going back to the State because of the governor’s recent orders; noting the importance of finding if the City has money that can be allocated for homeless services.
Councilmember Barrington asked about the 4.5 FTE employees for opportunity village and how those salaries were paid.
Mayor Flynn opened public comment
Frank Conolly requested confirmation of key details before proceeding, including the total cost for SWAG and clarification on available grant funds. He emphasized the need for fiscal responsibility to avoid future liability, identifying a clear funding source and consider remained funds be redirected. He noted homelessness involves multiple issues, not solely substance abuse.
Kathy Aranda urged the City to move forward without further delay, noting that unused or existing funds may cover the costs and that action should not depend solely on grant funding. She expressed support for mental health and substance abuse treatment, raised public safety concerns and emphasized the need for responsible financial review while avoiding approaches they believe are ineffective.
The speaker asked to present a brief video to provide an overview of their organization’s work, noting that the work done is challenging, but conducted transparently. She addressed comments made at the prior Council meeting, stating that claims regarding civil rights violations or religious motivation were inaccurate, and emphasized their commitment to openness and accountability in their efforts.
Mayor Flynn closed public comment
Council discussion:
Councilmember Miller asked SWAG if there are licensed social workers. Mr. Miller clarified if SWAG still had a contract with the City of Lake Elsinore, and whether outreach teams consisted of 2 individuals.
Councilmember Barrington
Mayor Pro Tem Royce clarified the charge of SWAG in relation to staff that would be provided.
Mayor Flynn emphasized agreement that the amount of monies being used for landscape maintenance and software is an abundant amount compared to homeless services, noting there is money in other places to fund SWAG. She ended her comment by reading a quote for the DA of LA County.
Mayor Pro Tem Royce spoke in favor of moving forward with SWAG on a month-to-month basis while still assessing the budget.
Councilmember Barrington spoke in agreement of moving forward, noting that business are desperate for intervention. She provided support for month-to-month services through SWAG.
Councilmember Miller emphasized not rushing into things, noting that funding is short in the City of Banning. He reiterated not wanting to start something that cannot be finished, noting importances of insuring there is funding.
Motion to move forward with SWAG made by Mayor Flynn and seconded by Councilmember Barrington.
12 Motion passes with a vote of 3-2
Motion to move forward another hour in the meeting made by Mayor Pro Tem Royce and seconded by Councilmember Wallace.
Motion failed with a vote of 3-2
Meeting not able to continue
8.4 Consideration of an Agreement with Wanderlust Events for a Summer Food Truck Event Series located at City-Owned Property located at 150 E. Ramsey Street, Banning, CA 92220
9. DISCUSSION ITEMS
10. ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
11. ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS
11.1 NEW ITEMS
11.2 EXISTING ITEMS
1. Update on Community Garden (Flynn)
2. Contracting Animal Services (Flynn)
3. Emergency Preparedness (Barrington)
4. Changes to the Banning Procedural Manual (Royce)
5. Discussion of Reversing Decision to Close Airport (Royce)
6. Patriot Tree (Barrington)
7. Contractor(s) to do Citywide Cleanup (Flynn)
8. RFP for City Manager (Wallace)
9. Long term City Strategic Planning (Miller)
10. Review Grant Management Protocol (Flynn)
11. Update on Electric Billing (Miller)
12. Review and Update Council Travel Policy (Flynn)
13. 2x2 Committee on Smith Correctional Facility (Royce)
14. Acting City Manager Evaluation (Miller)
12. ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Mayor Pro Tem Royce to adjourn the meeting, seconded by Council Member Miller Meeting was adjourned 9:48 p.m. Next Regular Meeting, June 10, 2025 at 5:00 p.m.
Prepared by: Amanda Morgan, Program Coordinator
Reviewed and submitted by:
Sandra Calderon, Deputy City Clerk.
These minutes have been prepared as Summary Minutes in
accordance with City Council Resolution 2025-22 and Government Code Sections 36814, 40801, and 54953(c)(2).
The entire discussion of this meeting may be viewed here:
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