BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY OF ALAMEDA, SITTING
AS THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
970-88
REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT
PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE RUSSELL CITY REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT Oakland
lanuary 8, 1963 - 2:30 p.m.
IBERT B. MANNERS, O S
POSITION REPORTER - NOTA
315 DOWLING BLVD.
BAN LEANDRO, DALIFORNIA
LOOKHAVEN SADOE
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY STAFE
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3 Board of Supervisors, sitting as Redevelopment Agency:
Kent Do Pursel, Chairman, 4th District
4 John D. Murphy, Ist District
Robert E. Hannon, 2nd District
5 Leland W. Sweeney, 3rd District
Emanuel Po Razeto, 5th District
6 Jack K. Pool, Chiet Clerk
7 Earl R. Strathman, County Administrator
Roland Mayne, Assistant County Administrator
8 Assistant District Attorney
Douglas Dunning Deputy District Attorney
9 J. Alden Lewis,
10 teorge C. Herron, Executive Director Hayward, The Redevolopmont Agency, 224 West Winton Avenue,
Harold Davis, Relocation supervisor. the Redevelopment Agency, 11 224 West Winton Avenue, Hayward, California
12 13 Department,
14 Marcus S. Carlson, Best Winton Avenue, Hayward, California Building Official, County Building Inspection Divigion,
15 Ruth Mara AveN. sad, Cory Health OFfloor, 2226 Santa 16 County Courthouse
17 Robert J. Perrich, Chief Deputy Surveyor, Alameda
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INDEX OF MEETINGS
20 21 _DATE PAGE
22 Tuesday, January 8, 1963- 1
23 Tuesday, January 15, 1963- 24
24 Tuesday, January 22, 1963 _------ 103
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ROBERT B. MANNERS, OR
DEPOSITION REPORTER - NOTARY
316 DOWLING OLVD,
BAN LEANDRO. CALIFORNIA
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NAME PAGE
4 leorge C. Herron Executive Director
villie Sciliano (not sworn)
5 Planning Director
Robert I. Willians M.D.. Dr. Ruth M. Jolly, Ass't Health Officer 6 Marcus S. Carlson, Building Official
John Bozant
Alan Banks, Attorney
Mrs. Pauline Tourchette
8 Miss Tourchette (not sworn)
Miss Mary Ellen Nellie Richardson
Bernie Patterson
loyd Hugher
10 Resumed
Earl Ross
11 Harold Davis
eorge Felician
12 Resumed
Malavin Stone
15 James Anthony
Alan Grove
14 (resuned Attorney
Austin Wigiall
15 Attorney
16 107
George Spott 115
17 Robert Kennon 121
The Reverend Hiawatha Irving 128
18 Parent 141
Joseph Johnson 149
19 Hiawatha T on behalf of National As aron Hot ton
20 the Advancement of Colored People 159
I'he Reverend Eugene R. Wolfe, appearing on
21 behalf of The Oakland Citizens' Committee
22 Cannor 182
23 184
Robone pur 2s do1110, by Lotter 186
24 188
Rufus Day 192
25 193
Mrs: Lola Aranken
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SUPERVISORS' CHAMBERS, ALAMEDA COUNTY COURTHOUSE
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4 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: The meeting will please come to order. Your Board of Supervisors wants to welcome you here today to be with us. 6 while we discuss this very important matter, and also to hear ques- 7 tions from you a little later on in the meeting.
8 I think it would be appropriate at this time, since this is our 9 first official meeting on this very important matter, that we all 10 rise and pledge allegiance to the flag. This will be lead by 11 Supervisor Murphy. (Pledge to the flag.)
12 Did you all find your seats? (Laughter)
13 Well, we appreciate that it is very crowded at the moment. I 14 think they're attempting to get some additional chairs. Under the 15 circumstances, we ask your indulgence and we hope you bear with us 16 and to the best of your ability and to ours make yourselves as com- 17 fortable as you can under the conditions, It you will, please. 18 We are convening this meeting today as the Redevelopment Agency 19 of Alameda County, and to that point I would first like to read, for 20 the benefit of all, a statement from the Board:
21 "The matter before us today, sitting as the Redevelopment 22 Agency of the County of Alameda, is a public hearing of the Rede- 23 velopment Plan for the Russell City Redevelopment Project, as re- 24 quired by Section 33700 of the California Community Redevelopment 25 Law. This plan has been prepared by the agency staff, reviewed by 26 the Board of Supervisors, and is now to be presented for approval or ROBERT B. MANNERS, CS R
DEPOSITION REPORTER - NOTARY
BAN LEANDRA, ALFORNIA
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1 amendment by the Redevelopment Agency. Rules governing the hearing 1 Works, County of Alameda. Mr. James R. Vivrette, County Surveyor will be announced by the staff. 2 and Road Commissioner. Mr. Gerald Worthly, Chairman of the Citizen' "Now, it is our intent, both as the Board of Supervisors and as Advisory Committee. 4 the Redevelopment Agency, to eliminate severely-blighted conditions 4 I would like to ask Mr. Lewis, as counsel for the agency, to in the Russell City Area that have for a long time been a source of set up the rules of procedure to be carried out during the hearing. 5 6 great concern to us - to restore the lands in the project area to a MR. LEWIS: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. As the 7 condition and use of significant benefit to all of the County of 7 Chairman has noted, we have many people here today. All of you are 8 Alameda. 8 interested in hearing what is said by the members of the staff, by 9 "We also intend that the relocation of persons displaced from 9 the members of the Board, and those in the audience participating. 10 the project area shall be carried out without undue hardship on 10 For that reason we would wish to have as much quiet as possible, so 11 those people, and that every assistance by our staff be given them 11 that everybody can be heard - not only in this room, but also in the 12 in finding safe, decent, sanitary homes in which to live. hall. 12 13 "The plan, as presented, is designed to express our intent." As you will notice, this gentleman up here in the front row, 15 14 Mr. George Herron, who is here present, will now present the 14 Mr. Manners, is taking down everything that is said. He is a Certi- 15 plan. I introduce to you Mr. George Herron. fied Court Reporter and he is here for the purpose of making a com- 15 16 MR. HERRON: Thank you, sir. First, I would like to introduce 16 plete record of all the witnesses and all of the matters that are 17 other members of the staff present, and distinguished guests: 17 spoken upon. Now, then, for Mr. Manners' convenience - and it may 18 Mr. Lewis, Deputy District Attorney, acting as counsel for the 18 seem unusual to you if you have to announce yourself more than once 19 agency. Mr. Robert I. Williams, Planning Director, County of but all members of the staff and of the Board, when speaking, will 19 20 announce their name. Now a person first, that is speaking from the Alameda. Dr. Ruth Mo Jolly, Assistant Health Officer, County of 20 21 Alameda. Harold Davis, Relocation Supervisor, Redevelopment Agency. 21 audience, will announce his full name. You have been given cards 22 Mr. Robert Jo Perrich, Chief Deputy County Surveyor. Mr. Marcus S. 22 and those cards provide a space for each person to fill in his 25 carlson, Building Official. Mr. Douglas Dunning, Assistant District name, his address, and whom or who he represents. Now; these cards 23 Attorney, representing the Board. Mr. Earl R. Strathman, County 24 will be filed, and I would request that they be given to Mr. Manners, 25 Administrator. sitting up here in the front row, and he will make a list of them. 25 26
We have, as guests: Mr. Herbert Crowle, Director of Public 16 Chose are for providing him the correct spelling of names and ROBERT B. MANNERa. Con ROBERT B. MANNERS, O E R
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Supervisors to be the Redevelopment Agency of the County of Alameda. 1 addresses where pertinent. 1
113 October 1961. Ordinance No. 657 N.S. provided positions 2 This hearing, as Mr. Herron said, is for the purpose of pro- compensation for the Redevelopment Agency Staff.
viding public forum for the ideas on this plan. The notices pro- and 113 October 1961. Resolution No. 98324 approved a budget for vided that anybody who wishes to may speak for or against any par- the Redevelopment Agency ana made appropriations thereto for the 5 ticular part of the plan. I hope that this is clear to everybody. 5 Now, the Board of Supervisors, sitting as the Redevelopment 6 remainder of Fiscal Year 1961-62. 6 #16 January 1962. Resolution No. 99231 directed the Planning Agency, will, at the conclusion of these hearings, adopt the plan 7 sumission to prepare and adopt an amendment to the county Master or not adopt the plan, or require any amendments thereto that are 8 Plan by the addition. of a Redevelopment Element.
necessary in their judgment. After this the plan will then be re- "19 February 1962. Resolution No. 4438 of the Alameda County 10 ported upon by the Commission, if adopted, and will come back up to 10 Planning Commission, after public hearing on this date, adopted a 11 the Board of Supervisors, sitting as the Board and the Governing 11 Redevelopment Element of the Alameda County Master Plan, and made 12 Body of the County. At this time a final determination will be made, 12 recommendation thereon to the Board of Supervisors.
if the proceedings go that far, on the plan and it will be either 13 16 March 1962. Resolution No. 99613 received the report and 14 adopted or rejected. 14
15 recommendation from the Planning Commission and set 10:30 a.m. on 15 Now, then, I would like to turn the meeting back to Mr. Herron, the 20th of March 1962 as the time for public hearing on the amend- 16 who will proceed with the plan as set forth. Thank you very much. 16 17 ment to the Master Plan by adding a Redevelopment Element. 17 MR. HERRON: Prior to presenting the plan itself, to establish 18 "20 March 1962. Resolution No. 99700, after public hearing 18 the legality of proceedings leading up to the establishment of the 19 thereon, adopted an amendment to the County Master Plan by adding 19 blan -- pardon me, should I be sworn in?
20 Redevelopment Element.
20 THE CLERK: Raise your right hand. (Mr. Herron is sworn in.) 21 "20 March 1962. Resolution No. 99701 generally described the 21 MR. HERRON: I will read brief summaries of each of the actions 22 Russell City Area, made a finding of blight in that area, designated 22 that have taken place. The original documents in all cases are on 23 the described area as a blighted area, and directed the Planning 23 file in the offices of the respective agencies which issues them. 24 Commission to study the area, formulate a plan for the redevelopment 24 "The 3rd of October, 1961. Ordinance No. 656 NoS. established 25 thereof and to submit the Plan to the Redevelopment Agency of the 25 the Redevelopment Agency of the County of Alameda.
36 '3 October 1961, Resolution No. 98322 declared the Board of 26 County of Alameda.
ROBERT B. , MANNERE, O 8 R
DEPORITION REPORTER - NOTARY
RESEE MANORSARB
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"23 April 1962. Resolution No. 4540, Planning Commission, ap- say, sir? 1 2 proved a preliminary plan for redevelopment of the Russell City Area, MR. LEWIS: Mr. Chairman, I don't believe there is a larger consisting of a map and text, and transmitted same to the Redevelop- room in the Courthouse. This meeting has been noticed for today, in ment Agency. this room, and the only thing we can do is express our regret that 5 "I May 1962. Resolution No. 4, Redevelopment Agency, accepted the room isn't large enough. 5 Preliminary Redevelopment Plan submitted by the Planning Conmission MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Postpone it and get another place. 6 7 and directed the Executive Director to prepare the Redevelopment MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Mr. Chairman, If there are any present Plan. here who are not property owners, or are not here for the purpose of 8 9 "23 October 1962. Resolution No. 8 of the Redevelopment Agency 9 this meeting, I wish they would give way to those who have. 10 received the tentative Redevelopment Plan and accompanying report, CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I am of the opinion that those who are here 10 11 set 2:00 p.m. on the 20th of November 1962 as the time for a public 11 are people who are either property owners or in their judgment have 12 work session on the plan and directed that copies of the Plan and 12 a vital interest in this redevelopment plan. Now, are there any here 13 report be transmitted to the City Council, City of Hayward, for who are not interested, either directly or indirectly, in this 25 14 official comment. hearing today? If there is anybody, I would ask, if you would, out 14 15 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: A little louder, please.
15 of courtesy to those standing, 1f you'd please excuse yourselves. 16 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: I protest this thing. A hundred people 16 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Well, we - we - we don't live in the area; 17 can't know what is going on. How about having a room large enough 17 we own property there.
18 so that we can hear what is going on? There is a hundred people 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You do own property there? Well, then, you 19 don't know what is going on down here.
19 have an interest in this, sir. I regret very much, and I speak for 20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Are there people out there in the hall, sir, 20 all of the Board, that our quarters aren't large enough to adequatel! 21 that can't get in?
21 take care of everybody that would like to be in this room today, but 22 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: That's right.
22 we have given official notice, as prescribed by law, that this 23 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Perhaps, under the circumstances - is there 28 meeting will be held in this room at this time, today, and It's 24 another room available anyplace that is larger?
84 necessary that we comply with the legal requirements of the law as 25 MR. LEWIS: Not that I know of.
25 well as with those that were stated in the notice. Só I - I hope 26 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just
a minute, please. Yes? What did you 26 you all appreciate the circumstances under which we are conducting ROBERT B. MANNERS, DE R ROBERT B. MANNERE, C 8 R
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1 this meeting in this room.
now, advise these people that there will be another hearing, that 2 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Mr. Chairman, I don't think those people 2 we will continue this matter - and I think under the circumstances 3 who are property owners should be requested to leave. 4 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Listen, sir -- that it is very apparent that it will be necessary and proper to do 5 just that. So I'd ask the Board now to set a time at which this MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: These peoples out here haven't heard 6 nothing you said. 5 hearing will be continued.
7 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: And place, because we certainly can't hold CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I'm sure - just a minute - I'm sure that 8 it here.
everyone who is interested and wishes to either protest or agree, or 9 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: May I say something, please?
who has any comment that they wish to make to this Body after the 10 MR. LEWIS: Just a minute. Will you identify yourself, report has been officially presented, will be given an opportunity 11 10 please?
so to do. If it means that we'll continue this meeting and have 12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just a minute. We have a matter before us subsequent meetings on the matter, you will be afforded an oppor- 13 12 we're discussing, please. Mr. Herron, approximately how long, in tunity to speak on it - I can assure you of that.
14 15 your judgment, will it take to present this report? It's necessary, SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Mr. Chairman, I think you should put a 16 14 I know, that you present it in accordance with the agenda that has cutoft time for this afternoon so that many of these people who 16 15 been presented here, so we'll comply with all legal requirements. won't have an opportunity will be able to leave and come back at a 17 16 MR. HERRON: It will take approximately one hour and fifteen future date - if we say 5:00 o'clock, or whatever time you choose, 18 17 minutes to complete all the staff presentation. If the Board co cut it off.
19 18 desires to come only to the point where we present the plan but CHAIRMAN PURSEL: What time would you suggest, Mr. Murphy? 20 19 don't discuss it, that will be a matter of fifteen or twenty minutes SUPERVISOR MURPHY: About ten to 3:00 (laughter). No, 5:00 or 81 20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I think, in view of the fact that so many 5:30 I would suggest that we call a halt to it and people can antici. 22 21 people are here today, you do want an opportunity, a good many, pate whether or not they are going to have an opportunity to be 23 22 perhaps all of you, to discuss this plan after he has presented heard - If they feel they are not going to, due to the fact they are 24 but I would like to suggest for the Board's consideration, then, not in the room, they can come back at a future date. We undoubtedly 25 24 that we also set Tuesday, one week from today, at this same hour, will have to continue this.
26 25 2:30, for a - set this time and place --
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: In lieu of that may I suggest that we here, 26 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Mr. Chairman, we already have a matter set ROBERT B. MANNERS, GE R DEPDAITION REPORTER • NOTARY
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at that particular time, I believe. mind, at the conclusion of this hearing it will be continued until 2 THE CLERK: Yes, the County Fair study.
2 one week from today, at 2:30, in the Hayward Veterans' Memorial CHAIRMAN PURSEL: That Is not a published meeting. I think Building. You all know where that is located, in Hayward? 4 we can --
MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Where is it situated?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: What is It, Just a work session? CHAIRMAN PURSEL: What is the exact location? CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Yes. Under the circumstances 1s there any MR. HERRON: Main Street, between C and Do 7 objection on the part of any Member of the Board that this meeting CHAIRMAN PURSEL: It is on Main Street, between C and D, im- 7 8 will be continued upon its
completion "til 2:30, one week from today, mediately in back of the City Hall of Hayward. in this room? Is that --
9 THE CLERK: 22737 is the street number.
10 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I would suggest we figure out some 10 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: 22737 Main Street, Hayward.
11 Veterans' Building•
11 MR. MCCULLUM: Mr. Chairman, if you would permit me might I 12 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Another place.
This will not hold the 12 suggest that in view of the fact that this is a public hearing and 13 people.
18 it is designed to inform the public of the plan and if you propose 14 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Why don't
we take over the Veterans' 14 so continue it until next week, the persons who will be there next, 15 Building and set it up?
16 week who are out in the hall today will be unable to hear the plan 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Have you any suggestions, Mr. Lewis? 16 today and might I suggest, since you have called the meeting, that 17 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Mr. McCullum (Donald P. McCullum, Attorney it be continued right at this moment until next week, where we will 17 18
at Law, 1615 Broadway, Oakland, California) wants to say something. 18 have an opportunity to hear completely the plan? 19 MR. LEWIS: They say they have sound there, Mr. Chairman, now, 19 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: I think that makes sense. 20 the Veterans' Building in Hayward.
20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just a minute, please.
21 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: The Veterans' Building in Hayward - is that 21 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: I second the motion. 22 all right?
22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just a minute. We have scheduled this 23 MR. HERRON: Yes.
23 meeting and all of you in the main have come some distance to be 24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: We have been advised that the Veterans' 24 here - let's resolve this in an orderly manner. What is the feeling 28 Building in Hayward has a room considerably larger than this, with 25 of the Board with respect to it? 26 adequate loudspeaking equipment and so forth, and so, with that in 26 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Well, I think - I think it makes - to me, IBERT B. MANNERB, CE
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1 makes sense. They have people I don't know how far out in the hall, MR. SCILIANO: I think all the husbands should be there to know and it is vitally important - it may be all right for you people Ant is going on, because half of the women don't understand this. sitting there comfortably, but these people want to know what is rouse guys are - we're all off of work, so that means that half of 4 going on, and what have you. No matter where you came from or how che ones are on work.
5 far away you came from, this is very important to each and every one SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: That is a good suggestion.
of US.
MR. SCILIANO: I think that is. You can have a better kind of 7 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Would there be any objection on the part of seeting.
the staff or the legal advisor and the District Attorney's Office - CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Do you know whether that room is available 9 MR. LEWIS: No.
for that night?
10 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: -- from continuing this matter until then? 10 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Jack says he can do it.
11 MR. HERRON: The only thing I suggest is that I be allowed to THE CLERK: What night do you mean, next Tuesday?
12 complete these three items - that will complete this. 12 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Yes, next Tuesday, the 15th.
13 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: If there is no objection, he will continue CHAIRMAN PURSEL: If you will bear with us for just a minute or 14 these three items.
14 two we will find out whether or not the room is available on that 15 MR. WILLIE SCILIANO: Is there --
15 avening and firm this up.
16 MR. LEWIS: Your name, please?
16 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Why don't we let him continue reading? 17 MR. SCILIANO: Willie Sciliano.
THE CLERK: They're going to have to check and see. By the time 18 MR. LEWIS: Where do you live?
18 Mr. Herron gets done we should have the information. 19 MR. SCILIANO: In Russell City. I would like to suggest one 19 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: A11 right. Ladies and gentlemen, if I may 20 thing, for the people theirself - there is a lot of women here and 20 have your attention again, please - it is going to take a few 21 their husbands can't be at this meeting. I think they should have 21 minutes to check and verify for sure whether or not that room is 22 the meeting after five o'clock where they could, the husbands and 22 available, and at that time of course we can make a firm announce- wives, could be there - because half of the women, they don't know 23 ment. In the meantime, If you'd bear with us, we would ask Mr. 24 business, and I would rather be there myself. I have to lose half 24 Herron to please continue his report for a few minutes pending 25 day's work to come there.
26 Finding out whether or not the room is in --
26 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: It is a good idea.
26 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Mr. Chairman, will Mr. Herron give us the ROBERT B. MANNERS, O S R ROBERT S. MANNERS, C B R
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same report next Tuesday?
2 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Yes. lose for public hearing on the Redevolopment Plan for the Russell MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Then why give it now? ¿ ¡city Project and directs that notice be given in accordance with section 33700 of the Health & Safety code."
4 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You are here now. You are going to have to That brings the matter up to the time of hearing today. 5 wait a few minutes. Do you have any objection to him doing it? CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Does that conclude your presentation, Mr.
MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: I'm just thinking of these folks back here Herron, then, for today? 7 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: That's right. We appreciate that.
MR. HERRON: I can introduce the Plan and Exhibit, but not go 8 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Haven't you got a microphone?
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: 8 into it.
He has a microphone. Please, if you will, CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Can you hear all right with the use of the 10 mow - admittedly these are difficult circumstances with such a big microphone now? 10 crowd in this room that is inadequate, so under the circumstances 12 11 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Yes.
please cooperate with us to the very best of your ability. Proceed, CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Go ahead, proceed, Mr. Herron. He will 13 Mr. Herron. 18
14 13 briefly introduce the plan.
MR. HERRON: These items that I am reading now are only refer- SUPERVISOR MURPHY: He will have to go over it again anyway. 16 14
ences to actions by the Board of Supervisors, the Planning Commis- 16 15 MR. HERRON: I will present the Plan as an exhibit only. We sion, or the City of Hayward which have already taken place and have 17 16 will not, in accordance with the Board's wishes, go into any dis- been published in the newspapers, but were reading the summary toda! 18 17 cussions at this time. This is the Redevelopment Plan for the to establish the legality of the background for the hearing only. 19 18 Russell City Project Area. There were some copies available - ap- "13 November 1962. Resolution No. 62-435 C.S., City of Hayward, 20 19 parently they are gone. There will be an additional supply avail- endorses and supports the Plan and Report and urges implementation 21 thereof. 20 able at the next meeting.
22 21 (Document marked by the Clerk)
#16 November 1962.
Report and Recommendation No. 745, Alameda 22 MR. HERRON: This is a copy of a Report on the Redevelopment, 23 County Boundary Commission, description and map declared satisfac- 24 23 Plan for the Russell City Project. This has been prepared by the fory as corrected, report filed with the Board of Supervisors." 25 24 staff, although we are not legally required to render this report The last item, "20th of November 1962. Resolution No. 10 of 26 25 ant il it is being - until the plan is being heard by the Board, sit- the Redevelopment Agency sets 2:30 p.m. on January 8, 1963 as the 26 Fing as the legislative body of the County. This has been prepared ROBERT B. MANNERS, C B R
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1 with the exception of one part required by law, has been prepared I am thinking - my thinking is this. Don't SUPERVISOR SWEENEY:
to support the plan and to explain it in as much detail as possible. get them to them that Tuesday, let's get them at a date so they 1] 3 This also was available and will be available with copies of the have a chance to read them.
plan. It lacks Part 5, which can only be placed in the report after SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That is the idea. 5 the Planning Commission renders its report
and recommendation to the SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: You can't come to school and start report. These two are offered as exhibits. reading as you go on - not me. (Documents marked by the Clerk) SUPERVISOR MURPHY: They will be able to pick them up at Mr.
B Sir, that is all I have.
Herron's office sometime in the future prior to next Tuesday. 9 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Mr. Chairman, would it be possible - I'd 9 MR. HERRON: There are twenty-five copies available upstairs, 10 like to ask Mr. Herron, would it be possible for any of these 10 I believe in the County Administrator's office, which we can have 11 reports to be run off in time for these people to pick them up prior 11 brought down to the Clerk of the Board. I have an additional fifty 12 to the next meeting at some designated place?
12 copies at the Winton Avenue Building, and we will have an additional 13 MR. HERRON: I have approximately fifty extra copies at the 15 two hundred prepared. So there are seventy-five available today and 14 present time at the Winton Avenue Building. 34 tomorrow, and an additional 150 or 200 as soon as Central Service 15 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Would It not be possible - excuse me - in 15 can turn then out. 16 line with this discussion, to run off some extra copies and have 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. Well, then, Mr. Strathman, as I 17 them available by the time the --
17 understand it shouldn't be too much of a problem, inasmuch as we 18 MR. HERRON: I don't know what Central Services' work load is, 18 are asking that the Central Service Division give priority to this 19 but I can have it in to them tomorrow morning.
19 matter, to have them by, say, Friday of this week?
20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Well, I think, in view of the importance of 20 MR. STRATHMAN: Friday Noon of this week, 200 additional copies 21 this matter, that the Board should direct the Central Service System 21 will be available. 22 to give priority to this matter and to have - to run off sufficient 22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: By Friday Noon of this week 200 additional 23 copies so that they will be available for you by the time of the 23 copies will be available. 24 next meeting.
24 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Where?
25 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Mr. Strathman says that it can be available 25 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: They will be available at the Winton Avenue 26 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: It can be. 26 Building, at the Redevelopment Office where Mr. Herron is in charge.
ADBERT 8. MANNERB, CB R DEPOBITION REPORTER - NOTARY ROBERT B. MANNERS, CE R
DEPOSITION REPORTER - NOTARY
315 DOWLING BLVD.
BAN LEANDRO. DALIFORNIA BAN LEANDRO, CALIFORNIA
LOSKHAVEN 9-4088 LOCKHAVEN 9-40B8
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1 Is that clear to everyone now? (There was no response.) Have you Oakland, North Oakland, and so forth. Next - I happen to represent 1 2 heard anything of the availability of the room yet, Jack? the cities of Albany, Berkeley, Piedmont and a portion of North MR. CARL HERSEY: Mr. Chairman, don't feel too bad - the 3. Oakland section, Montclair, and out to the 38th Avenue area. Next, committee hasn't even got copies of this yet. Mr. Sweeney represents the city of Alameda and, in the main, East 4 5 MR. HERRON: Mr. Hersey, the committee was given copies of this Oakland Area. Ard our new colleague, who is sitting for - this is 5 6 in October, without the fancy covers, sir. his first meeting, today is his first day - we had a meeting this 6 7 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: While we are waiting for word to come about 7 morning, so he realizes that this Board does have some sizeable 8 the building, althoughi you can see the names, I'm sure it can be 8 problems I'm sure at this point - Mr. Hannon represents the area 9 appropriate at this time that we introduce the Members of the Board between Mr. Sweeney and Mr. Murphy, embracing in the main the Hay- 10 to you. You will see more of us as these hearings continue, of ward Area, the San Leandro Area, Castro Valley, Ashland, and the 10 11 course. Russell City Area. So with that, I think - (Applause.) 11 12 On my right is Supervisor Murphy, John Murphy; seated next to 12 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Save that "til after the next meeting. 15 him is Mr. Emanuel Razeto. On my extreme left is Supervisor Robert 13 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You know, this - this Russell City matter, if 14 Hannon; seated
next to him is Supervisor Ieland Sweeney - and my 14 we may term it that, has been before us for many, many years, and 15 pame is Kent Pursel. And I might say, in going over these names 15 probably you are all aware, all of those who live there and all of 16 once more, that we all represent districts, as you probably know. those who have property there, this has been the subject of discus- 17 Mr. Murphy represents the district
encompassing the extreme southern i7 sion by the Board of Supervisors, by interested groups in the 18 bounty, and by Grand Juries and so forth, for the past ton or thelve and of the county, including the areas of Fremont, Newark, Union 18 19 City, Livermore, Pleasanton, and a large amount of unincorporated years. It has been discussed by this Board in connection with the 20 areas.
20 City of Hayward and there have been many other meetings. 21 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And parts of Hayward. Finally it has been determined that me should go ahead and 21 22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: What?
22 prepare a plan, and that is the reason we are having this meeting 23 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And parts of Hayward.
23 today, which as you know will be continued - a plan for the re- 24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Parts of Hayward - Hayward has annexed quite levelopment of that area, which, in the judgment of many people over 24 25
a bit of property. Next is Mr. Razeto, whose district embraces a 25 this period of time, has been badly in need of a suggested program good part of Oakland and the City of Emeryville - part of Central 26 to redevelop that area.
OBERT B. MANNERE, C B I ROBERT B. MANNERE, C 8 R
DEPOBITION EPORTER - NOTAR DEPOGITION REPORTER • NOTARY 315 DOWLING ALVD. aI5 DOWLING BLVD.
BAN LEANDRO, GALIFORNIA SAN LEANDRO, DALIFORNIA
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Now, I might ask the Clerk - he has just returned: Do you have presume - raise your hands, those who own land in Russell City. word at this point, Mr. Pool? 1
hends raised.) Everybody else evidently is an owner.
3 THE CLERK: No, we haven't.
MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Seventy-five outside.
4 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Well - any more speeches? (No response.) SUPERVISOR RAZETO: Including outside, may the record show that 5 May I ask how many here, if you'd raise your hand, are property 6 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Once more, are there any visitors or specta- owners within the Russell City Area? (Hands raised.) Now will you 7 Hers here?
lower your hands. Now, will all of those who are not property 8 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: What are you waiting on, Jack?
owners but who live in the Russell City Area raise your hands? 9 SUPERVISOR FAZETO: How many would you estimate are in the room, MR. LEWIS: Mr. Chairman --
10 for the record? How many are here present, would anybody estimate? CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Do you understand the question? And I
11 10 MR. LEWIS: Mr. Razeto, I would estimate somewhere around 250. presume you are tenants of landowners in this area?
12 Yes, Mro 11 SUPERVISOR RAZETO: The estimate is there are 250 people Lewis?
13 12 present here today. Will the record show that.
MR, LEWIS: May the record show that the audience 1a pro- 15 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I want to thank you all, in behalf of the 14 dominately almost entirely made up of persons who reside, own -. 15 SUPERVISOR RAZETO: Who own. 14 Board, for being so patient, so considerate, under these rather 16 10 difficult circumstances. Had we contemplated that there would be MR. LEWIS: - who own property in the project area, and, to a such a crowd I will assure you we would have planned to hold the 17 26
substantially lesser percentage, those that reside there. 18 17 meeting someplace else.
SUPERVISOR RAZETO: Could we have that again? Just those who 19 18 In view of the fact that we are going to hold it in the Hayward are in attendance and reside there?
20 Veterans' Building I would like to suggest to the Board right now CHAIRMAN PURSEL: We will now ask those who reside or who live 21 20 that they pass a motion as of now directing that the meeting be held in the Russell City Area but do not own property there - would you 22 21 in that, and if there is some other group has tentatively planned to please raise your hand?
23 22 use it, that this supersedes that.
SUPERVISOR RAZETO: That is one, two, three, four, five -- SUPERVISOR HANNON: Mr. Chairman, I would move that we hold the 24 25
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Six.
25 24 meeting in the Veterans' Memorial Building, City of Hayward, on next SUPERVISOR RAZETO: Will the record show in this room there are 25 Tuesday at - commencing at 7:30 in the evening. 26 six who are tenants and not owners in Russell City. And the rest I 26 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Second the motion.
ROBERT B. MANNERE, C E R DEPOSITION REPORTER - NOTARY
HIS BOWLING BLVD. ROBERT B. MANNERS, CE R
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22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Tou hear the motion, and it has been seconded me polls close at seven o'clock and this meeting is scheduled for 2 that is, that this meeting be continued 'til one week from today ¡seven-thirty - so the meeting will be continued until that time and that 1s, Tuesday, next Tuesday - at 7:30, in the Hayward Veteran 4 Building at 2273 Main Street, Hayward. 3 (place.
: So, with that, we thank you for being here today - we are very 5 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: 7:30 p.m.? 4
sorry that the quarters were inadequate. We look forward to seeing 6 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: 7:30 p.m., yes - is that clear to everybody? you a week from today at 7:30 in the Hayward Menorial Building. 7 MEMBERS OF AUDIENCE: Yes.
MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Tuesday the 15th?
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: In the meantime --
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Yes.
9 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: You get these books, don't forget. 10 9
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: May I ask the Board - it has been moved and +7*7777i7777t$ 11 10
seconded; Mr. Clerk would you call the roll.
11 (Thereupon the matter was continued to the
12 date, time and place as above set forth.)
THE CLERK (After calling the roll): Five Ayes.
13 12
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Now you understand that the meeting has been --000- 14 15
continued until that time, ladies and gentlemen. There will be 15 copies available in the Winton Avenue Building, in the Winton Avenue 16 16 Office, next week - coples of the plan. So please make - make them 16 17 available, it's up to you --
18 17
MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Is that election week? Is that election 18 19 day?
20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL:
Election day?
21 20
MR. LEWIS: School election.
21 22
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: That doesn't make any difference, does it? 22 23 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: The polls close at 7:00. 23
24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Somebody has made mention of the fact, ladies 24 25 and
gentlemen, If you will, please, that there happens to be an 25 26 plection in that area - but I'm sure that there will be no conflict. 26 DEPOSITIC ROBERT B. MANNERS, D 8 F
BIE DOWLING BLVD. DEPOSITION REPORTER - NOTARY
SAN LEANORD, GALIFDANIA 3I5 DOWNE ELV•
LOSKHAVEN 5-408B SAN LEANDRO, CALIFORNIA
LOOKHAVEN 9-4088
25 VETERANS' MEMORIAL BUILDING 2,
747 Main Street - Hayward,
Tuesday, January 15, 1963 California procedure will be announced by the staff. -- 7:55 p.m. our intent, both as the Board of Supervisors and as the Re- 3 *7#7*777+
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Good development Agency, is to eliminate severely-blighted conditions in evening, ladies and gentlemen. Before the Russell City Area that have for a long time been a source of 5 we start the meeting will you all please rise and join with me in 6 the pledge of allegiance to the flag. great concern to us, to restore the lands in the project area to a If as many of you as possible will come down, there are some condition and use of significant benefit to all of the County of 8 seats in the front. Now, if you are all seated, everybody is 7 Lameda. 9 happy, we will start the meeting. "We also intend that the relocation of persons displaced from 10 the project area shall be carried out without undue hardship on I would first Iike to announce, and I regret to say this, that those people, and that every assistance by our staff be given them 11 10
Mr. Murphy, a member of the Board of Supervisors, is absent tonight 12 In finding safe, decent, sanitary homes in which to live. because of the death yesterday of his father. So I hope you will "Finally, the plan as presented is to - is designed to express 13 understand. 18
14 15 our intent."
As you know, this is a recessed meeting of the Alameda County 15 14 Mr. Herron will now present the plan. Mr. Herron.
Redevelopment Agency from a week ago today, last Tuesday, at the 16 16 MR. HERRON: Mr. Chairman, may I first introduce members of the Courthouse. It was reçessed to this time in this Hayward Memorial 17 26 County Staff who will support the plan by evidence here tonight:
Building. So before we officially start the meeting - or, rather, 18 17 Mr. J. A. Lewis, Deputy District Attorney, counsel to the to officially start it, may I first read a statement:
19 18 agency. Mr. Robert I, Williams, Planning Director, County of "The matter "before us today, sitting as the Redevelopment 20 19 Alameda. Dr. Ruth M. Jolly, Assistant Health Officer. Mr. Marcus Agency of the County of Alameda, is a public hearing of the Rede- 21 30 S. Carlson, Building Official. Mr. Harold Davis, Relocation velopment Plan for the Russell City Redevelopment Project, as re- 22 81 Supervisor, the Redevelopment Agency. Mr. Earl R. Strathman, quired by Section 33700 of the California Community Redevelopment County Admindstrator. Mr. Douglas Dunning, counsol to the Board. 23 Law. 28
24 83 Mr. Roland Mayne, County Administrator's'Office. Mr. Robert J. "This plan has been prepared by the agency staff, this Board 25 24 Perrich, Chief Deputy County Surveyor. Mr. Gerald Lo Worthley, of Supervisors, and is now to be presented for approval or amend- 26 26 Chairman, Citizens' Advisory Committee. Also present are: Mr. ment by the Redevelopment Agency. Rules governing the hearing Herbert Go Crowle, Director of Public Works. Mr. James Vivrette, 26 DEPOSITION ROBERT B. MANNERS, C 5 R
REPORTER •NOTARY ROBERT B. MANNERE, CR
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1 County Surveyor and Road Commissioner. 1
MR. LEWIS: Well, I'Il just have to talk louder (laughter). 2 I would now like to ask Mr. Lewis to promulgate the rules of CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I thought it was. 2 procedure. MR. LEWIS: Did anybody hear what I had
to say?
4 MR. LEWIS: Ladies and gentlemen, as I explained at our last 4 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: I didn't hear you.
meeting on Tuesday, the Board, as the Redevelopment Agency, has 5 MR. LEWIS: First, persons will be sworn who wish to speak; requested that all persons wishing to speak will sign slips indi- 6 those speaking should take as short a time as possible to express cating their name and certain information. We would appreciate 7 what they have to say. We want everybody to express his opinion 8 very much if that would be done. It will help us in taking this 8 for or against any particular provision of the plan, or the plan hearing down and making it a matter of record. itself. Now, then, also we hope that everybody will give his 10 Now, then, also as you - those of you that were present at the 10 neighbor a chance to speak and that we can proceed fast. 11 meeting last week, will have noticed, Mr. Herron, the Executive 11 That is about it. Thank you. 12 12
Director, was sworn. All members of the staff will be sworn, and SUPERVISOR RAZETO: Mr. Chairman, for the purpose of the 13 we request that all persons speaking and presenting testimony for 13 record I wonder if we could have an estimate of the number of 14 14
or against the plan - staff or otherwise - be sworn. The Clerk people here, to show the participation of this meeting. How many, 15 will do the swearing in and, basically, this is to have for the 15 about, are present here tonight? Would somebody estimate? 16 purpose of the record the truth of the matters spoken about. 16 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Probably between three and four hundred. 17 So I think with that there is not much more to say. Now, also 17 SUPERVISOR RAZEIO: May the record show there are present about 18 the person speaking will try to make their statements as short and 18 four hundred people. And, also, your statement will be taken down 18 to the point as possible. We don't want to cut anybody off from 19 in shorthand - all of your testimony will be recorded. 20 speaking, we want to have as much time as possible so that everyone MER. HERRON: At the recessed meeting 20 on Tuesday of last week
21 wishing to speak can speak. So to that end I hope that we will 21 there were introduced, under oath by myself, three documents; one, 22 ali observe these very simple rules and I think that we will pro- 22 a chronological list of all statutory steps under the state law 23 ceed very nicely.
23 required to bring this hearing - or, to bring this action to the 24 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Your mike is not on.
24 point of public hearing starting last Tuesday; second was the 25 MR. LEWIS: Excuse me?
25 Redevelopment Plan. Those who did not receive copies of the plan 26 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Your mike is not on.
26 and report at last Tuesday's meeting; they are available at the BEDERY B, MANNERS, G & R ROBERT B. MANNERS. ® er
DEPOBITION REPORTER - NOTARY DEPDBITION REPORTER - NOTARY 315 DOWLING ALVD. 315 DOWLING BLVD.
SAN LEANDRO, DALIFORNIA BAN LEANDRO, CALIFORNIA
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28 table just 29
inside the door - this is the light blue cover with the 1 even more:
2 black ink printing; this is the Redevelopment Plan. The third item 2 In order to implement the plan you will remove and eliminate introduced was the report, which accompanies this plan. This is the existing conditions of severe blight in the project area and identified by a white cover and backing, and is entirely printed restore the lands to a use compatible with the economy of the throughout in blue ink. This report is incomplete in a legal 5 County of Alameda. The Redevelopment Agency of the County of sense, inasmuch as the section required by law for the report and Alameda proposes to take the following actions:
7 recommendation of the Planning Commission will not be entered into this report until after this hearing and the matter has gone to the Acquire by purchase, gift, exchange, condemnation, or any law- 8 ful manner all real properties within the project area except 9 Planning Commission - otherwise it is complete with the material those excluded as shown on the land use plan, Exhibit 1. The only 10 which is to be heard tonight.
11 First, In establishing the boundaries, on page 1 and page 2 of 10 lands excluded and as shown on that plan are the areas which are in white and constitute West Winton Avenue and a portion of the 12 the plan Itself - that is the blue covered document - there is a 12 Southern Pacific right of way. 15 written legal description of the boundaries of the project. These 13 Relocate all persons and businesses now occupant in the area. 14 are also shown on Exhibits 1, 2 and 3, which are the last drawings 14 Demolish and remove all existing improvements on the land 15 in your plan - they are the last three sheets.
15 within the project area. Remove such - clean, treat and f111, 16 This description and the map which accompanies it, which I am 16 properly f111, all shallow water wells and other man-made 17 about to hand to the Clerk, are in accordance with the description 17 excavations. Remove trees and other large natural growth. 18 amended and approved by the Alameda County Boundary Commission by 18 Abandon or cause to be abandoned all public right and interest Its Report No. 475. I W1l1 now hand this map to the Clerk, which 19 in existing or mapped 20 roads not essential to the purpose of this
is a true copy of the map approved by the Commission. This is 20 21 plan.
the map; it follows the same boundaries shown on your short sketches 21 Install or cause to be installed all public improvements es- 28 and on the large exhibits which are on the board tonight. 22 sential to the purpose of this plan. 23 (Clerk marks documents.)
24 23 Dispose of all property acquired in one or more large parcels In summarizing the proposal of the plan implementing the in- 24 for redevelopment to industrial uses, preferably to one large user 25 tent of the Redevelopment Agency, on page 3 of your plan there is 25 or competent developer. 86 a section entitled "Summary of Proposed Actions." I will summarize 26 I would like to ask Mr. Robert I. Williams, Planning Director, ROBERT B. MANNERS, DE R
DEPOBITION REPORTER - NOTARY ROBERT B. MANNERS, O S R
2IS DOWLING BEVD. DEPOBITION REPORTER - NOTARY
BAN LEANDRO, DALIFORNIA
•IS DOYLINE BLUD.
LOCKHAVEN 8-4088 SAN LEANDRO, DALIFORNIA
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1 to take over the next section. Mr. Williams.
predominately residential in character, housing approximately 2 ROBERT L. WILLIAMS
235 family units and individual householders. There are no sani- being first duly sworn by the
Clerk, testified as follows: cary sewer facilities within the area, waste disposal being accon- 4 plished by use of septic tanks or pit latrines. There is no 5 THE CLERK: Your name and position?
treated domestic water supply available to the area, water for all MR. WILLIAMS: Robert Lo Williams, Planning Director, Alameda purposes being obtained generally from shallow and uncased local County.
Can I make a test here? wells, subject to contamination by sewage. Approximately 83% of Can you hear me if I hold this about
9 three inches from my mouth? the dwellings within the project area are classed as deteriorating 10 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Speak louder. or dilapidated. Many of these are structurally unsound by reason 11 MR. WILLIAMS: 10 of defective design, improper construction, and deterioration of Members of the Agency, ladies and gentlemen. My
12 materials. Most dwelling structures within the project area are part of the presentation will deal with developing some of the 13 12 deficient in interior arrangement and facilities for cooking, general characteristics of the project area, establish the factors 14 18 sanitation, ventilation, heating, lighting, and other needs con- of blight, report to you certain Grand Jury recommendations con- 15 14 sidered essential for family housing. Lot and street patterns are cerning the project area, and to develop for you the findings of 16 15 inadequate and obsolete.
the Alameda County Planning Department as one portion of the 17 16 "The area is characterized by depreciated values, impaired in- findings made in the report which you have before you, entitled 17 18 vestments, social and economic maladjustment, by improper and in- "A Tentative Redevelopment Plan for the Russell City Project." 19 I am 18 compatible uses of land, and by other conditions conducive to ill quoting now from the second page of this report just stated, 19 20 health and juvenile delinquency."
under the description of characteristics of the project area, and 21 I quote: 20 In order to bolster this contention I will now quote from 28 21 several excerpts of the Grand Jury of Alameda County; starting with "The Russell City Redevelopment Project Area is a blighted 23 22 the year 1956, located on page 14 and 15 of the 1956 Grand Jury area, the redevelopment of which is necessary to effectuate the 24 public purposes 23 Report are the following statements:
of the Community Redevelopment Law of the State 24
25 of California. "A survey of Russell City was made in 1940 which showed a 26 25 serious health condition at that time; this is on file with the "Existing improvements
on the land in the Project Area are 26 Alameda County Health Department. The 1956 Grand Jury recommends DEPOBITION REPORTER ROBERT B. MANNERS, C & R
la DOWLING aLVD. DEPOBITION REPORTER NOTARY
BAN LEANDRO, CALIFORNIA 315 DOWLING ALVD.
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that the 1957 Grand Jury cause a new survey to be made, together social problem in all phases, with some emphasis on law enforcement! 2 with a further study with a view to condemning the area and of re- The 1959 Grand Jury, on pages 21 through 26, stated the fol- location of the present population through some plan of urban lowing, regarding the Russell City area: "The Russell City tract redevelopment."
is not included in a water or sanitary district. Water is drawn 5 In the 1957 Grand Jury Report, on pages 12 and 13, are the from shallow wells; the crudest of sanitary facilities are the rule. following statements: "The Grand Jury investigated the conditions Additionally, the land is so low and flat that it presents a con- 7 and potentialities of the Russell City area. The investigation stant drainage and pollution problem." indicated that with neither a water system nor sewage disposal sys- The 1960 Grand Jury said the following, on pages 15 through 17:
tem available it would be inadvisable to approve continuance of "The Grand Jury visited Russell City and found that conditions whick 10 the slum conditions found, nor would it be to the best interests have existed there for many years are deplorable and a disgrace to 11 of the community for any additional residences to be permitted." the county. Undoubtedly the conditions at Russell City are a con- 12 The following year, 1958, the Grand Jury, on page 16 and 17 18 stant threat to the health of the inhabitants of Russell City and 13 thereof, made the following statements: "This Grand Jury, through to those of neighboring communities as well. Epidemics have ap- 14 the action of its Russell City Committee, has ascertained the fol- parently been avoided only because of the vigilance of the Health 15 34
lowing facts: (a) Water supply is from shallow domestic wells, Department of Alameda County." 16 15
practically all of which are contaminated to some degree. (b) Sew- 16 I would now like to quote from this same report, the proposed 17 age disposal, if any, is by septic tanks, which in many instances - I want to get the title correct, "Russell City Redevelopment 18 17
are inadequate and faulty, making them a contributing factor to the 19 18 Project Report," that deals with the physical, soclal, and economic contamination of the wells. (c) Practically all buildings are 19 conditions that exist in the area. This is as - this is two para- 20 substandard, many of them merely shells. (d) Other than the three 21 20 graphs that lead to this section on physical, social and economic county roads, streets as such with curbing, drainage and paving 22 21 conditions existing in the area!
are non-existent. Due to this condition, there is a drainage and "With the full support of the Alameda County Grand Jury the 22 28
flood problem. However, this is an intract problem only, as sur- 25 Board of Supervisors explored the Russell City problem through a 24 rounding lands are serviced by flood channel facilities. The 25 24 Technical Advisory Committee and subsequently adopted a Redevelop- above facts tend to make this --"-- namely, the Russell City area ment Element as part of the official Alameda County Master Plan." 26 25
- I-- area an ever present and highly explosive health menace and This is the statement, it's Within a jellow cover, on file 26 ROBERT B. MANNERS, O 8 R
DEPOBITION REPORTER - NOTARY ROBERT B. MANNERS, C 8 R
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BAN LEANDRO, GALIFORNIA DOWLING BLO.
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with the Agency and with our deparment.
There is behind me - and I will have to leave the mike and just 2 "As a further action the Board of Supervisors directed the step up my voice volume and show it to you - a copy of this par- Alameda County Planning Commission to prepare a Preliminary Re- ¿icular land use survey conducted by technical persons within the development Plan for the Russell City area, thus establishing and county Planning Department, shown here on this map entitled "The designating the area as blighted."
Redevelopment Area Land Use Detail." It sets forth in various I have with me tonight a copy of this Preliminary Redevelopment colors and symbols the legend of land use, the basic uses of land, 7 Plan, as adopted by the County Planning Commission.
and the criteria are principles under which the various determina- 8 "The bases for officially labeling the Russell City area as 8 *lons were made as to sound or dilapidated or deteriorated conditior blighted, and therefore subject to redevelopment, were many-fold. of the structures. We use standard structural definitions for this 10 The following summary outline sets forth the most significant 10 purpose. This particular map indicates --
11 physical, social, and economic indices of blight as reported by 12 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Why don't you put that up there. Every- 12 several technical agencies of Alameda County."
12 body can't see it. I can't even see nothing.
13 And because these agencies are represented by experts and 15 MR. WILLIAMS: The map will be on review. We have another one 14 people who have worked with our technical committee over a period 14 • just like it that we will place on the far wall following the pro- 15 of time I will not dwell upon their particular portion. I would, 15 ceeding. 16 however, like to submit to evidence now that portion of the techni- 26 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Put it up where we can see it. 17 cal studies determining the factors of blight that evolve from our CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Wait just a minute. Pardon me. We are 18 county Planning Department, and this in a written statement en- 19 18 doing the very best we can under rather difficult circumstances, titled "Redevelopment Element of the County Master Plan, " the 19 I'm sure you will admit, and I presume that most of the people in 20 report with the yellow cover I just noted, and this was adopted by the room are able to see this. Now, if that is not the case I'd 21 20
the Planning Commission on February the 19th, 1962, said as 21 ask a show of hands of those who cannot see this at this time. 22 follows:
22 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: I can't see nothing, before you have it 23 "(a) Results of a February 1962 land use survey in Russell 23 24 up there with your arms.
City area indicate severe conditions of blight, such as arrested 24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Would you mind moving over? There are just 25 development, inadequate utilities, unimproved roads, unsafe and 25 two or three of you in that category. If you move over on this 26 unsanitary housing.
26 side, there are some seats there, then you can see it - because the ROBERT B. MANNERS, O R
DEPOSITION REPORTER • NOTARY ROBERT B. MANNERB, O B R
315 DOWLING BAVD. DEPOSMTON REPRINTRY
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1 balance of the people indicate that they can see it. Will you 2 please permit the plan to go ahead without interruption. Thank now known as Exhibit D.
MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: What is the zoning of that area presently 3 you very much. Go ahead, Mr. Williams.
of the whole 200 acres?
4 MR. WILLIAMS: Mr. Chairman, at the request of the District CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Sir, would you mind letting the man finish 5 Attorney's representative I would like to place this particular map his presentation and then ask the question that you -- 6 in evidence and mark it as Exhibit D.
MR. LEWIS: MR. LEWIS: After he has presented his statement, and also 7 Excuse me. Ladies and
gentlemen, for the purposes anybody wishing to ask a question will please identify himself by 8 of the record and also for the purposes of having the map available, 9 name, that way we will know for the record - and anybody can see we will give this to the Clerk at the end of the hearing and request what he has said in writing.
10 that this map, which has been identified, be marked Exhibit D and MR. WILLIAMS: I think for those living in the area or having 11 made a part of the record in this matter. 10
12 12 some interest in the area the location of the various uses, such MR. WILLIAMS: I would note to your attention that the informa- as hog farns, airport, junk yards, are well known to you. They are 13 tion on the map does 12
describe the development area limits. It shown on the map, however, that I have just described, 14 13
describes the dwellings as determined to be sound, the number of Under item (c) our report says: "County Master Plan and the 15 14
dwellings and locations determined to be deteriorated and those 16 16 Hayward Master Plan both indicate the desirable long-range use of determined to be dilapidated. It also gives additional information 16 the Russell City area to be industrial. Present residential use of 17 on the types of primary use of
the property, in case there was a the area is in conflict with these established public policies. 18 trailer on there in lieu of a house structure that is also noted. 18 residential area surrounded by 19 Continuing presence of substandard
There is other information on here to describe the, in effect, 20 19 industrial zoning will be a blighting influence upon both uses." field conditions - not only of land use but of age and condition 21 of the structures thereon. 20 These drawings - the one on top indicates the Hayward General 21 Plan, 'adopted by the City of Hayward at the Planning Commission 22 Our report continued, under item (b): "Russell City is a 23 22 and City Council level. It indicates, approximately under the residential slum pocket in an area rapidly developing in industrial 24 23 pointer, the location of the Russell City area and it is noted in land use. Environmental conflicts are prevalent in the area - hog 24 this purple color as industrial - everything on this map shown in 25 farms, industrial uses, airport, junk yards, garbage dumps, " many 25 purple is industrial. The Alameda County Master Plan, adopted by 26 of which are identified as those items upon this particular drawing the Planning Commission and the Board of Supervisors in 1957, shows 26 ROBERT B. MANNERE, O S R
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the area here in grey, immediately south of the Hayward Airport, (Document marked by the Clerk.) 2 including the Russell City area, as being industrial. This, in MR. HERRON: I would like to ask Dr. Ruth Jolly, of the County terms of the planning considerations and the factors of blight from Health Department, to make a statement on behalf of the County 4 a planning standpoint, are included within this particular staff Health Officer. 5 report sent to both the Commission and the Board of Supervisors.
One concluding statement I would like to make, and because the RUTH M. JOLLY, M.D. 7 - the information from Chief William Wolters of the local fire Sworn as a witness by the 8 Clerk, testified as follows:
district, Fairview Fire District specifically, was not presented in THE CLERK: State your name and position, please. 9 writing but was an oral statement made to the Planning Commission DR. JOLLY: Ruth M. Jolly, Assistant Health Officer, Alameda 10 at the time they held their public hearing on February 19 to adopt County Health Department. 11 10
the Master Plan Amendment, what we call the Redevelopment Element, CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Could everyone hear that? 12 11
this report in yellow - Chief Wolters appeared and made an oral 12 MEMBERS OF AUDIENCE: - No. No. No. 13 statement for the record dealing with the Russell City area and I 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Would you use the microphone. 14 am giving you, from the Minutes, a true quote from Chief Wolters: 14 DR. JOLLI: My name is Ruth M. Jolly, Assistant Health Officer, 16 "Chief Wolters, Fairview Fire District, stated that his District 16 Alameda County Health Department. The report which I have to give 16 has been giving the Russell City Area fire protection for 20 years 16 tonight is relevant to the health picture of Russell City. 17 and at least 60% of their calls are in that area. The savings of 17 Russell City is a community in which multiple health hazards 18 buildings in a fire is very little. They have 400 gallons of 18 exist. As has already been described, it can be characterized by 19 water that they can bring and they receive some additional help 10 Its crowded, dilapidated housing, contaminated wells, inoperable or 20 from the Hayward and Cherryland Fire Departments. He concluded malfunctioning sewage disposal systems, areawide accumulation of 21 that many of his men have fallen into privy pits that are not 21 refuse, and an above-average incidence of fire, flooding, and other 22 covered, and it is very difficult."--unquote.
23 22 life-threatening occurrences. These conditions in their present This is all the testimony I propose to submit. 23
24 state are not remedial.
25 MR. LEWIS: Mr. Chairman, may the Redevelopment Element of the 24 The residents of Russell City are not as healthy as the general County Master Plan be marked Exhibit E and placed in the record? 25 population of the County. (Laughter) Airborne, waterborne, 100d- 26 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Yes.
26 borne, and rectorborne diseases are all prevalent in Russell City.
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1 Upper respiratory and gastrointestinal infections are extremely one nurse per 2000 population. This is nearly five times as great 2 common. The level of nutrition is below average. Nuisance as the level of service for the county as a whole. 3 diseases - such as impetigo and ringworm - are a frequent occur- Well-baby services, which are preventive services, are 28 times 4 rence. Birth, death, and Illnessrates are commonly used to 4 more abundant per unit of population in Russell City than in the 5 describe the health of a community, and in this regard birthrates 5 county as a whole.
6 tend to bear an indirect relationship to the health of a community, 6 Immunization clinics have a similar proportion. Immunization and the illness of course and deathrates bear a direct relation- clinics exist throughout the county for a wide area of the popula- ship.
tion. Russell City is the only small area in the southern part of 9 In 1961 the birthrate of the county was approximately 23 births the county which has an immunization clinic exclusively for the 10 to 1,000 population. The birthrate in Russell City was twice 10 area. These immunization services have enabled us to maintain an 11 this - 46 per 1,000 population. The deathrate in this same year 11 immunization level for Russell City children of about 95% This 12 for the county as a whole was 9-1/10ths per 1,000 population; the 18 fact that the undoubtedly has had a great deal to do with the
18 deathrate in Russell City was 9-7/10ths per 1,000. Previous to 13 diseases preventable by immunizing agents have been practically 14 this past. Jear infectious hepatitis has been a disease fairly 14 non-existent in Russell City. Through the vigilance of the Health 15 prevalent thoughout the county. In that year the case incidence 15 Department epidemic illnesses and death have hereby and in this way 16 rate for the county as a whole was 4 per 10,000 population; this 16 been prevented in Russell City.
17 sane rate in Russell City was 60 per 10,000 population. This 17 This is the end of my report.
18 health picture exists in Russell City in spite of an accelerated 18 MR. LEWIS: Mr. Chairman - this is Mr. Lewis speaking again - 19 preventive health program which has been provided by the Health 19 I would like to have Dr, Jolly state for the record her training 20 Department for several years.
20 and qualifications. Would she do that?
21 Russell City receives a disproportionately greater amount of 21 DR. JOLLY: I am a physician and a graduate of the University 22 service than other areas of South - of the southern part of the 22 of Minnesota Medical School. In addition to that I have had one 23 county. There is six to seven times as much Public Health Nursing 23 year postgraduate work in Public Health.
24 Services given in Russell City as compared to the county as a 24 MR. HERRON: I would now like to ask Mr. Marcus Carlson, County 25 whole. One Public Health Nurse has two-thirds of her family 25 Building Official, to be sworn and make a statement concerning the 26 caseload in Russell City. This level of service is equivalent to 26 matters of his own knowledge.
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DEPOSITION REPORTER • NOTARY
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MARCUS S. CARLSON 1 dwellings still had the gas and electric heaters in, indicating 2 sworn as a witness by the
they had been vacated Within the last year or so. We notified the Clerk, testified as follows:
3 utility company to remove service from these ten dwellings - the 4 THE CLERK: State your name and position.
4 remaining out of the whole twenty-six.
5 MR. CARLSON: Marcus S. Carlson, County Building Official. 5 MR. HERRON: In substantiation of the general statements con- The Building Inspection Division of Public Works is most 6 cerning the condition of buildings made by the County Building 7 concerned with the aspect of blight in Russell City. This Division Official, I have here and would like to enter into evidence 17 8 is in charge of the enforcement of the building, electrical, 8 photographs taken in April or May of 1962 by members of my staff, 9 plumbing, heating, and housing codes of Alameda County. who can testify as to their authenticity - 17 different locations 10 The Division has records of inspections of 155 dwellings which 10 taken within the area. I would like to introduce these. This 11 were initiated by the Health Department, our own staff, by the 11 picture is No. I - I will not identify the parcel; If anybody is 12 Fire Department, and by others. As such dwellings in Russell City 12 interested, it can be checked with the Clerk. This is Photograph 13 become vacant and hazardous electrical and gas installations exist 13 No. 2 . Photograph No. 3 - Photograph No. 4 --. 14 the Building Inspection Division notifis the utility company to 14 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: So whats There are blight areas here in 15 disconnect gas and electric service from such dwellings. An order 15 Hayward, too. 16 Of demolition of such structures cannot legally be accomplished 16 MR. HERRON: Photograph No. 5. We will not identify the owners 17 except by action of the owner or by the abatement procedure, which 17 of any of these properties. If you care to examine these photo- 18 1s à civil action initiated by the Board of Supervisors. A number 18 graphs, they can be seen at the Clerk's desk. Photograph No. 6 - 19 of buildings in the Russell City Area so vacated have been destroy- 19 Photograph No. 7 - Photograph No. 8 - Photograph No. 9 - 20 ed by incendiary action of unauthorized persons. 20 Photograph No. 10 - Photograph No. 11 - Photograph No, 12 - the 21 It is the opinion of the Building Official that at least 80% 21 other five prints were found to bé duplicates and were excluded. 22 of the dwellings in Russell City are substandard, as measured 22 I will now hand these to the Clerk for entrance as exhibits. 23 by our housing code, and in the majority of such rehabilitation to 23 THE CLERK: May those be marked Exhibit F, Mr. Chairman? 24 the minimum standards is not economically feasible. 24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: So admitted. 85 We have records of
inspection as late as May in 1962 of 26 25 (Clerk marks documents.) 26 dwellings, vacant dwellings in Russell City. Ten of these 26 MR. HERRON: Before proceeding to the portion of the hearing ROBERT B. MANNERB, C 8 R
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1 in which the public speaks I would like to review very briefly, developer that there shall be a due diligence clause. - meaning, in 2 section by section, what the Redevelopment Plan contains. 2 other words, that they. can't sit and hold this land forever before On pages 1 and there was already mentioned to you a legal they improve it. In "other restrictions" - section (c), the buyer description of the project area. must show the Agency evidence that his proposed plan for use of the 5 On page 3, a summary of the proposed actions - which I sum- 5 project. lands is satisfactory to the County of Alameda or the City marized at the earlier part of the hearing. of Hayward, whichever may have jurisdiction.
On page 4, the land use plan. This plan is shown on Exhibit 1. Paragraph 5, or Section 5, Duration of Covenants and Controls, 8 That is the first sketch that is in the back of your copy of the 8 provides that the covenant with respect to elimination of dis- 9 plan. All land is proposed for redevelopment to industrial use. crimination and segregation shall run in perpetuity with the land, 10 No area is provided for residential use. Public roads or easements 10 all other restrictions shall be in force so long as their need is 11 to be vacated or protected are shown on the public road plan, 11 required. 12 Exhibit 2. There are no public parks or other public open spaces 12 On page 7, again it represents that on Exhibit 1 all property 13 specifically provided for in the plan. Industrial uses permitted 13 shown in the dotted area is to be acquired by the Agency for 14 in general are manufacturing, processing, assembly, warehousing, 14 redevelopment. 15 and other directly related uses and structures. Limitations on 15 ...Section 2 refers to the exercise of eminent domain - that is, 16 sizes, height, type, limitations on building setbacks, and the code 16 condemnation. It finds that for the purpose of the plan - for 17 requirements are set forth as those now or then existing in the carrying out the plan - that the exercise of eminent domain under 18 County of Alameda or the City of Hayward, whichever has jurisdic- 18. the law is required and the Agency makes a finding that it is 19 tion under the zoning ordinances.
19 necessary. It further finds that should it be necessary for the 20 On page 5, other
covenants, conditions and restrictions - 20 Agency to acquire by condemnation, owners of such property shall 21 specifically sets forth in the precise language of the law that 21 be paid the fair market value of said properties as required by 22 any land sold, leased, or rented by the Redevelopment Agency to 22 law. Further, no action to acquire by condemnation shall be 23 any other party shall hold a covenant that there will be no restric 23 initiated by the Agency unless there are funds adequate for and 24 tion or discrimination by reason of race, creed or color. 24 committed for the purposes.( 25 On page 6, in the "other conditions" - section (b) provides 25 Real Property Management. All property - real property manage- 26 that in any contract between the Agency and the buyer or 26 ment will be under the Agency.
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1 On page 8, Public Inprovements: Io The Agency proposes that 1 Section 2, Participation by Property Owners: In consideration 2 there will be minimun pubile improvements constructed at public of the fact that all buildings and structures on the project lands cost - only those essential to the basic service to the project are to be demolished and removed, being inadequate for the intended 4 area. industrial use and deteriorated beyond economic rehabilitation; 5 As far as Public Road Improvements, It is only proposed that 5 that the number of contiguous parcels under one ownership, within 6 West Winton be widened within its existing right of way and a 6 the project area, which total one-half acre or more, represent a transverse section constructed.
small percentage of the total parcels, and that it is the intent of Public Road Abandonment: Any or all public roads within the 8 this plan to abandon all existing County and public roads within project area, other than West Winton Avenue, may be abandoned by the project limits, no provision is being made in this Redevelopment 10 the Board of Supervisors of the County of Alameda in due process of 10 Plan for owner participation.
11 law on request of the Agency. - the Agency has no power to abandon 11 On page 10, Buyer or Redevelopers Obligations: The buyer or 18 a public road. 12
redeveloper will be obligated to handle the land either by resale 13 Sanitary Sewer Interceptor: The City of Hayward has agreed to 13 or by use only for the objectives and uses set forth in the plan - 14 construct a sanitary sewer main to or within the project limits. 14 that is, for industrial purposes, under certain restrictions. 15 This means only to the line, or slightly within it - not to the 15 In addition to the covenants, conditions, and what not, set 16 interior of the project. 16
forth elsewhere in the provisions of this plan, a developer shall 17 On page 9, Domestic Water Supply Service: The City of Hayward 17 submit for approval by the Agency his proposals for site planning, 18 has agreed to bring the existing water main in West Winton Avenue 18 building design, signs, landscapings, etcetera, together with 10 from about Bush Lane down West Winton Avenue to the westerly 19 evidence that such proposals have the approval of the County or 20 project limit. It will only be in West Winton Avenue, 20 the City, whichever may have local jurisdiction at the time. 21 On page 9, Section E, Land Disposition: All real property ac- 21 Methods of Financing, at the bottom of page 10 - and this also 82 quired by the Redevelopment Agency shall be disposed of by lease or 22 appears in detail on pages 7, 8 and 9 of the report which you have 25 sale by the Agency, except that any property they - therein may be 23 a copy of: The estimated gross cost is $1,843,500, witch includes 24 conveyed by the Agency to the County or the City for public pur- 24 non-cash grant-in-aid work by the City of Hayward and by the 25 poses. This means a grant of right of way for road purposes, OI County of Alameda on roads.
26 for - well, largely for road purposes, in this plan. 26 It is estimated that the return on the sale of land will be OBERT B. MANNERS. C S
CPÜBITION REPORTER - NOTAR ROBERT B. MANNERS, 0 8 R
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$1,700,000, which leaves an apparent deficit. It is proposed that 1 that this Redevelopment Element and the Redevelopment Plan do con- this deficit be abated by use of the tax allocation principle. form with the County Master Plan. 3 Basically, the support of the program would come from the Board of In Paragraph 3 it provides for any changes to be made in the 4 Supervisors of the County of Alameda.
4 approved plan under a process of law established in the Conmunity 5 At the top of page 1l it lists all of the legal methods which 5 Redevelopment Law.
6 may be used for financing a program of this type.
6 Sir, that is the staff presentation.
Section 3 on page I1 is, in detail, the so-called tax alloca- CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Ladies and gentlemen, you have now heard the 8 tion authority, which is established in the Community Redevelopment presentation of the plan by the staff. We now come to that portion 9 Law of the State of California. It has been found constitutional of the program when we open the subject up to questions from the 10 and is a legal process.
10 public. While I know that there are a lot of people interested in 11 On page 12, paragraph 4 provides that all cash and non-cash '11 this, and a lot of people that would like to speak to the plan as 12 grant-in-aid from County or from the City shall be repaid from 12 has been presented to you tonight, I am going to suggest, first of 13 revenues accruing to the Agency. An agreement covering the City, 13 all, that we place a limitation on time and that we will attempt 14 the County and the Agency is now in process.
14 to conclude this hearing tonight by not later than 10:30. 15 Page 12, Other Provisions of the Redevelopment Plan: The 15 Now, so that those who wish to speak on the subject before the 16 relocation portion states, in brief, that this Agency has and will 16 Agency - we're going to suggest, first, that those who own property 17 carry out a feasible plan for the relocation of persons displaced 17 18 within the project area but who live outside of the county, that in the project area in order to find safe, decent, and - safe, 18 is the first category; secondly, those who own property but live 19 decent, sanitary housing, reasonably convenient to their employ- 19 on the project or live within the project; the third category, 20 ment and other needs, and at prices and rents within their means, 20 those who own property within the project area but live outside of 21 and effecting moves thereto.
21 the area - not outside of the county, but outside of the area; and, 22 It also provides, as does the relocation plan, which is Part 22 finally, those who live in the project but do not own property - 23 4 of your report, in much greater detail - it will provide for 25 probably speaking with respect to relocation; then, after that 1s 24 relocation payments to individuals for the actual and necessary concluded, we will then open the meeting to organizations to make 25 cost of moving.
25 a presentation who are interested in this project and to individual 26
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2 JOHN BOZANT
I'm going to suggest, if you will, that perhaps there are attorneys here present tonight that would be representing perhaps worn as a witness by th lerk, testified as follows
4 more than
one property, more than one ownership, and that being the 5 THE CLERK: Your name and address for the record?
case it might be to our advantage to suggest that the attorneys 6 5 MR. BOZANT: My name is' John Bozant, and my address is 3985 representing property owners within the project area be the first 7 6 O'Neill Drive, San Mateo.
ones to be allowed to speak in the following categories. 8 7 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Would you talk right into the microphone so And let me admonish all of you who intend to speak - further, 9 that we can all hear you, if you will. Thank you.
we would like to limit your presentation, if you will, to not to 10 MR. BOZANT: All right. I have two - I checked two things on exceed three minutes. And I hope that you will abide by that. 11 10 the slip and I think I will be well within three minutes of what I So now - I would also like to say this; it is now about a 12 11 had in mind.
quarter to nine, and it has been suggested that since we may carry 13 12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Well, proceed.
this meeting forward to - for possibly until 10:30, that we take a 14 15 MR. BOZANT: First of all, I'm not familiar with condemnation recess, say at approximately 9:30. So you will bear that in mind. 15 14 procedures and I would like to ask the attorney what - who would Now, with respect to the presentations: In the first category, 16 15 bear the costs if I challenge the price? Say - supposing the those who own property in the project area but live outside of the 17 16 price offer of my place was lower than I have anticipated; who county, are there any attorneys here present tonight that wish to 18 17 would bear the cost aside of a private appraisal? speak to that particular category or represent anybody that fits 19 18
in that particular category? (No response). MR. LEWIS: Attorney fees and appraisal fees, and so forth? 20 19 MR. BOZANT: Jes.
If not, are there those here present who own property within 21 20 MR. LEWIS: Those would
the project area but live oûtside of the county that wish to speak come out of the award, I presume. It 22 to this proposal? 21 would depend upon the contract that you made with your attorney and 23 MR. BOZANT: Yes, sir. 82 the appraiser. This is in the event that, of course, you challenge
24 28 it. If the award is there, most attorneys take
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Do you live outside of the area? certain percentage 25 MR. BOZANT: Yes. 84 Of the award for their services. Appraisers are hired generally on 26 25 a flat fee or a per diem basis.
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: If you will, please, be sworn.
26 MR. BOZANT: I see. I bear it myself, in other words.
EPOSITION REPORTER - NOTAR OBERT B. MANNERS, C B R
315 DOWLING aLVO. ROBERT B. MANNERS, C B R
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1 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Kindly talk right into the microphone. Well, in the county I'm from this same thing was started and 2 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: The mike isn't working. Up on top -- 2 folks welled up. Of course I don't know if there is an organiza- 3 MR. BOZANT: Oh, it's on now. Sorry, not acquainted with your tion here, I haven't been to any such meetings, or been notified machinery. of any, but that is another point. Just the same, the people 5 The next thing: It 1s obvious that progress has to come here, 5. welled up and objected to the redevelopment agency. They wanted - 6 and this is progress that we're speaking of. 6
oh, they just said "Leave us alone, no cost to the county, just put CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Will you talk a little louder, please, because 7 "Industrial! on the map, that is all we ask you to do, just to some of the people in the back of the room can't hear you. 8 rezone it through the planning conmission to industrial." And once MR. BOZANT: Does this run off of here? Well, I feel that -- It was rezoned to industrial the land values changed immensely and 10 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: The mike is not on. 10 all folks - all the people of the area - participated in this 11 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Press the button in.
11 progress.
12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just one minute. Is it on, Mr. Herron? 18 Now, in this instance here, if the County sells this property 13 MR. HERRON: Let me check.
13 to a developer and supposing they - supposing the - supposing the 14 MR. BOZANT: Yes, it's on. Maybe the volume is not up, but -- 14 appraised expected returns are greater because of the time that is 15 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Don't be afraid to speak loud. 15 going on, increasing some of these values - because this 1s really 16 MR. BOZANT: No, I'm not afraid to speak, but I hope - I'm 16 deluxe prime industrial property, near an airport, heavy roads, 17 using up my three minutes here. But I realize this is progress. 17 close to the Bay, everything is ideal for this use that they have 18 I mean, there is no - I have no objection. You see, it has to come, 18 in mind. But if the people themselves will be able to take ad- 19 there is no question about it, and the people here recognize the 19 vantage of this I think they are able to - if they were able to 20 reports that are made by the County technicians that have all 20 participate in the progress, at no cost to the County, the County's 21 presented their views and their work very effectively and very 21 tax rates would go up - you have to have assessment districts to 22 efficiently, and there is just no denying something has to happen - 22฿ put in sewers and put water in. If the folks don't want to pay 23 but how It happens is my - my point. 25
these higher fees, they sell out and move on. But they are re- 24 I feel that the Redevelopment Agency is also effectively doing 24 locating themselves and assisting in the redevelopment plan. 25 their work, but they have another problem - this relocation of 25 Now, my point is, I opposed this at the last little session 26 people.
26 they had and of course it did make a nice package with a bow on ROBERT B. MANNERS, C S R
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present who represent people in that category? 1 MR. BANKS: I represent the party who owns that, but the MR. BANKS: Yes, sir. present remarks extend not only to that piece but to other pieces - that is, that area which is north or above West Winton
ALAN BANKS
4 Avenue. It's the whole area, including that triangle. sworn as a witness by the Clerk,
testified as follows: 5 I believe the reports as given have not differentiated between THE CLERK: Your name and address, counsel? 6 the conditions above and below the road. West Winton Avenue MR. BANKS: Alan Banks, 414 - 13th Street, Oakland, California, divides the area. Above West Winton Avenue you have larger 8 and I represent Forrest I. Brown, who owns the piece of property parcels of different use, and they should not be included within commonly known as 2659 West Winton Avenue. the designation as provided for the property below West Winton 10 Now, it is the contention of Mr. Brown that his property should 10 Avenue. I believe that area should be differentiated as altogether 11 not be included within this area, and I have here a brief letter to 11 different and not an actual blighted area. They do not have the 12 the Board of Supervisors, as the Redevelopment Agency sitting for 12 small lots, the number of people. Much of it is open land. Some 13 those reasons, which I would like to hand to the clerk in the 13 of it is industrial at present. Thank you. 14 interest of time. 14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you, Mr. Banks. Is there anyone else, 15 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. 15 now, who owns property in the project area and who lives on the 16 MR. BANKS: And I would also like to make one further state- 16 property within the project area who wishes to speak at this time? 17 ment. The present proposed border of this project does not take (No response) 18 into account the fact that there is a natural dividing strip 18 If not, the next - pardon me, there is a Lady here. 10 within this area, and that is West Winton Avenue. 19 MRS. TOURCHETTE: I do. 20 SUPERVISOR RAZETO: Pardon me, counsel. Will you locate the 20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Pardon me. Would you raise your voice, 21 area on the map that you represent - or somebody locate it, show 21 please. You own property and live on it, and that is within the 22 us what -- 22 Russell City area?
23 MR. BANKS: West Winton Avenue: MRS. TOURCHETTE:
Yes.
24 MR. HERRON: This triangular parcel.
24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. Woulu you care to speak to the 25 SUPERVISOR RAZETO: The triangular parcel, that is what you 25 proposal? 26 are representing your remarks to?
26 MRS. TOURCHETTE: Yes, sir.
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SAN LEANDRO, GALIFORNIA AN LEANDRO, DALIFORNI
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1 PAULINE TOURCHETTE 1 receive a fair price for your property. That is the law. That is 2 stern, stilted as follows: 2 the responsibility.
Clerk,
MRS. TOURCHETTE: Well, I'd have to receive my price.
4 THE CLERK: Your name and address, please? CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You think that your price would be different 5 MRS. TOURCHETTE: Pauline Tourchette, 2901 West Winton. 5 from the fair price that you would be paid for your property? 6 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Would you mind showing that approximate 1o- 6 MRS. TOURCHETTE: I expect it would, because I have 132 feet 7 cation, Mr. Herron? by 165.
8 MR. HERRON: Just east of the railroad tracks, baing on West CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Of course, that you don't know - I don't Winton Avenue (indicating). know what your price is, but I do know this, and that is that under 10 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. Will you proceed? What do you 10 the procedures established to develop: this area it's necessary and 11 think of the plan? What comments do you have to make? 11 it's legally a responsibility that you receive a fair price for 12 MRS. TOURCHETTE: Well, I don't want to sell my property. 12 your property, Mrs. Iourchette, that is all I can tell you. 13 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You don't want to sell it. You Iive there, 13 MRS. TOURCHETTE: Well, I don't know whether I'm going to sell 14 but -- 14 it or not. I don't think I have to -
15 MRS. TOURCHETTE: I don't. No. Because I have a cased well. :15 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Well -- 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: A what? 16 MRS. TOURCHETTE: -- because Alameda County takes my taxes yet. 17 MRS. TOURCHETTE: My well is cased. And my house is good, and CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Alameda County takes your taxes? 18 I asked Mr. Carlson for a permit and he denied me the right to put 18 MRS. TOURCHETTE: Yes, the taxes for the property. 19 up a 10 x 12 steel building, modern. They denied me the right, CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Tes, that's right, the project hasn't started 20 the Building Inspector, and I - I don't want to sell my property. 20. yet.
21 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You don't want to sell it, even though you 21 MRS. TOURCHETTE: They still take it. Well, I can put up a 22 know that you'd receive a fair price for the property? 22 project, If they will give me a chance. 23 MRS. TOURCHETTE: They wouldn't give me a fair price. 23 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: A project? 24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: How do you know? You don't know that. That 24 MRS. TOURCHETTE: I can put up something. 25 is our responsibility, and that is following the provisions of the 25 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Don't they tell her polite? 26 Community Redevelopment Law, and it's procedure is that you would 26 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Let Mrs. Tourchette talk.
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MISS TOURCHETTE (Mrs. Jourchette's daughter): Why don't they matter. You have heard the report of the Health Officer. You have give her a permit? heard the report of the Building Official. It is my personal - and CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Let Mrs. Tourchette talk. I believe the Members of this Board - feeling that by any standards MISS TOURCHETTE: I'm her daughter. I don't care. this area that we propose to redevelop is at the present time a 5 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Pardon me, just one at a time. You are not 5 substandard area - in fact, it is a blighted area. Now, what we sworn in, so we have to listen to your mother. 6 propose to do is to try and improve it for the best interests of MISS TOURCHETTE: I don't care. all the people of the County, including you, Mrs. Tourchette, and MRS. TOURCHETTE: If I have my building permit here - that was we are compelled under the law, if we are going to, to move you out 9 denied. And I have eight children. I have got eight living of there and tear down your house and replace it with a new type of 10 children at the time I had to support. And Marcus Carlson wouldn't 10 zoning, so to speak - then we are compelled to see that you get the 11 see me, and he denied it. My place burnt down there, in 1947. 11 fair market value for your property, and you may be assured that 12 Marcus CarIson come down January 14, 19 and 47, and fussed with me 12 that will be exactly the case. 13 Ior three hours, him and two other guys, and I can prove that. 13 MRS. TOURCHETTE: Well, I don't know about that. (Laughter) 14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Well, Iet me just say this, Mrs. Iourchette: 14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You may not know that, but that is the law. 15 I don't know about your dealings with Mr. Carlson, other than I 15 MRS. TOURCHETTE: I don't believe you. I never got anything. 16 know he has a responsibility under the law to see to it that all 16 fair since 1947 yet, I#II tell you that much. 17 structures within our province are up to standard and up to the 17 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Well, do you have anything else to say, Mrs. 18 code -- 18 Tourchette?
19 MRS. TOURCHETTE: Well -- 19 MRS. TOURCHETTE: Well, they ain't going to get my property. 20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Let me just finish, just a minute. You 20 MISS TOURCHETTE: And if they want to fight, I will - If I have 21 understand what we are trying to do here. This has been a blighted 21 anybody to fight, I will. 22 area, as you know -- 22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Is there anybody else who owns property in 23 MRS. TOURCHETTE: Well, they condemned it. 23 the project and who lives on the property? 24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: It was - wait a minute, let me finish and 24 MISS RICHARDSON: Yes. 25 then you can talk. It's been so designated by the Grand Jury, It's 25 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: If you will come forward andraise your 26 been so designated by the Planning Commission in its review in this 26 hand and be sworn, please.
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MISS RICHARDSON: You were telling us how we had three reports 3 4 THE CLERK: Your name and address? on Russell City.-- 5 MISS RICHARDSON: Mary Ellen Nellie Richardson, 2415 West 5 CHAIRMAN. PURSEL: Talk right into the microphone. Now, go Winton Avenue. 6 ahead.
7 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just one minute, now. Would somebody iden- 7 MISS RICHARDSON: You were telling us - can you hear ne? Can 8 tify the approximate location of this property, please, on the map? 8 you hear me? (Mr. Herron indicates on map) Where is the railroad there, again, MR. WORTHLEY: Hold it a little closer. 10 once more? 10 MISS RICHARDSON: Can you hear me?
11 MR. HERRON: The railroad crosses the easterly boundary. 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Jes. 12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Proceed, Mrs. Richardson - is that yourname? 12 MISS RICHARDSON: You were telling us about the three reports 13 MISS RICHARDSON: "Miss." 15 we hear about Russell City and the way it's concerned and every- 14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Yes. Proceed. Will you please talk into 14 thing, and the health out there and you prevented with the help of 15 the microphone so we can all hear you for the record. 15 the County Nurses and all little epidemics and all. Now, what kind 16 MISS RICHARDSON: You were telling here how - we all heard the 16 of epidemics have we had out there, or almost had? I'm happy this 17 statements given by the -- 17 is the nurse.
18 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: The mike isn't on. 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Dr. Jolly, would you care to comment In aus- 19 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: W111 somebody see if the other microphone 18 wer to that question? The question is, sheid like to know what 20 is working? Could you use that one? 20 type of epidemics had we almost had. 21 MISS RICHARDSON: If they were given to me. 21 MISS RICHARDSON: Or had. 22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Would somebody bring a microphone -- would 22 DR. JOLLY: The statement that I made was that epidemics of 23 you go over there, Mrs. Richardson? 23 illnesses and death, either one, have been averted where these 24 MISS RICHARDSON: Yes. 24 illnesses were preventable by known immunizing agents - these 25 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Go ahead. That is all right. Right there, 25 diseases would be whooping cough, tetanus, smallpox - 26 Mrs. Richardson. 26 (Noise in room interrupts speaker.) ROBERT 8. MANNERB. DER
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CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just a minute, now. Let's be quiet and just CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just let me just warn you, row - if we are permit the person that has been asked the question to answer it, going to continue with this meeting, and I presume you are all here 3 and the lady to talk. and want us to go ahead with it and we want to go ahead with it, but MISS RICHARDSON: And I have another one for her, too. She says 4 we're going to do it on one condition - and that is that we give there is one immunization clinic all to Russell City itself. Why 5 undivided attention to the speaker and to the person who answers is it - isn't it a fact that they don't have adequate transportatior 6 the question, and please bear that admonition in mind. We do not 7 to get to and fro? 7 want any applause for anybody.
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: The question is - Mrs. Richardson states -- 8 MISS RICHARDSON: In other words -- 9 MISS RICHARDSON: "Miss." CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Now, just understand. We will proceed now. 10 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Miss Richardson - that they have one immuni- 10 Go ahead. 11 zation clinic just for Russell City. 11 MISS RICHARDSON: And I have another for the doctor. You said 12 MISS RICHARDSON: No. I said, why? Is it not a fact that. they 12 that the air in Russell City is completely unhealthy, or almost in 13 have inadequate transportation for the people to go to and fro when 15 some words unhealthy. Isn't it a fact that everywhere you go you 14 they need to see a doctor or something? 14 can come to unhealthy air? The air in Hayward is no better than 15 DR. JOLLYs We - we have encouraged all of the people in the 15 Russell City - you can breathe in any kind of germs. 16 southern part of Alameda County to attend the immunization clinics 16 DR. JOLLY: I am sorry, I think you misunderstood me. I said 17 that are held in the Southern Health Center. These are held 17 that those diseases that are transmitted through air, airborne 18 daily, except for Thursday. A special clinic has been held in 18 diseases, are more prevalent. 19 Russell City throughout the year because wé have found that there 18 MISS RICHARDSON: They are also like that in San Francisco, and 20 are families who have not been able to get in to the Southern 20 crowded areas where one can get polio from your next door neighbor 81 Health Center for these inmunizations. I'm sure that a large 21 unless you have taken shots or something for it. Why make it sound 22 factor here is transportation. 22 as if Russell City is the only place in it - the only place that 23 23. can start them up?
MISS RICHARDSON: Then why did you make it sound that Russell 24 City is just desperately dying? Way did you do it? You made it 84 DR. JOLLY: The intention was to give a picture of disease 25 sound like they have no way of doing anything that they want to. 25 incidence of frequency and amount of services in contrast with the 26 (Applause) 26 remainder of the county, or the county as a whole. I'm sorry if I ROBERT B. MANNERS, CE R
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gave a picture which was irrelevant, or which you feel is not - not department. If we had one would I be asking it? 1 2 the truth. These were factual statements that were made.
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You don't have one?
MISS RICHARDSON: And now is there someone here from the Fire MISS RICHARDSON: Did I ask you if we had one? I'm asking one 3 •Department?
4 about it, not telling that we have one.
5 SUPERVISOR RAZETO: May I ask you a question?
5 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: What about it? ' You don't have one? 6 MISS RICHARDSON: Yes, you may.
6 MISS RICHARDSON: We have one - I'm trying to find out who is SUPERVISOR RAZETO: Is It your position that Russell City is bringing out the watermelon (sic).
8 not a blighted area? Is that it?
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Bringing out the what?
MISS RICHARDSON: Oh, it's damaged, all right. But you make it MISS RICHARDSON: Bring out the water, w-a-t-e-r. sound like it's beyond hope. CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Listen. If 10 11 SUPERVISOR RAZETO: I didn't hear the answer. You didn't answer 11 you conduct yourself like a lady you will be treated like a lady. 12 the question. Is it a blighted area?
12 MISS RICHARDSON: I am trying to be quiet with you. I am 13 MISS RICHARDSON: It is, to a certain extent - but so is Hay- 13 asking about who brings the water out. Somebody said about 400 14 ward. You know, Hayward isn't perfect. Is there someone here from 14 gallons of water brought out from Russell City; when you get there 15 the Fire Department? 16
the stuff - there is not a lot of money or anything put into the 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Now, someone from the Fire Department here? 16 fire, to the damages - I'd like to know who made the statement. 17 (No response)
17 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I think that comment was made by the Planning 18 MISS RICHARDSON: Who made the statement about - it was from the 18 Director, Mr. Williams.
19 Fire Department, "we have 400 gallons of water" when they come 18 MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, Mr. Pursel, and I was quoting directly from 20 charging out to the fire? Who made the statement?
20 the Minutes of the Planning Commission meeting of February the 19th 21 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Miss Richardson, you live there - may I ask 21 of this last year, 1962, the hearing conducted on the possible you a question? 22
adoption of the - a Master Plan Element, known as the Redevelopment 23 MISS RICHARDSON: I just asked a question. 23 Element to the County Master Plan... The statements were made by 24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just a minute. Just a minute. Do you have 24 chief William Wolters, capital W-o-1-t-e-r-s, the Chief of the 25 a fire department within the Russell City area?
25 Fairview Fire District. Would you like the statement read again? 26 MISS RICHARDSON: I just asked a question about the fire 26 MISS RICHARDSON: Yes.
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1 MR. WILLIAMS: He said, quote - he stated that his District has the Russell City area. 2 been giving the Russell City area fire protection for twenty years MISS RICHARDSON: If Hayward is taking us as a city, why 3 and at least 60% of their calls are in that area. The savings of couldn't they come out for fires when they were first called? buildings in a fire is very little. They have 400 gallons of water 4 MR. WILLIAMS: Apparently, according to his statement - I would 5 that they bring - presumably this is their load capacity - and they 5 take it to mean the Hayward and Cherryland Fire Departments have, receive some additional help from the Hayward and Cherryland Fire I guess, what they call a second response, that they are called Departments. He concluded that many of his men have fallen into 7 mutual ald pacts, and when calledupon, if a fire gets away from the 8 privy pits that are not covered and it is a very difficult situa- Fairview District, why, additional trucks and equipment from Hay- 9 tion. ward or the Cheriyland area come out.
10 MISS RICHARDSON: I have a question from him. 10 MISS RICHARDSON: Why can't they come when they are first 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Does that answer your question? 11 called, though? Do they have to be called from the other fire 12 MISS RICHARDSON: No; I have one for him. 18 department for help? 13 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Jou have one. All right. Then let's remem- 13 MR. LEWIS: I will attempt to give an explanation of this as 14 ber your three minutes is just about up. Jou have another question 14 best I can. Chief Wolters also has County equipment, not that of the 15 of Mr. Williams? 15 Fairview Fire District - in this sense Russell City is in the un- 16 MISS RICHARDSON: Uh-huh. 16 incorporated area and the county, therefore, supplies from the
17. CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Go ahead. 17 County - general County area - fire equipment to Russell City. I 18 MISS RICHARDSON: Let's see -- 18 do not know whether or not Russell City is within the Fairview 19 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I can't hear you. Talk into your microphone. 19 District, I doubt it, but the County provides the fire protection, 20 MISS RICHARDSON: I will. I'm so sorry.
it responds to the unincorporated area. Now, then, If there is an 21 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I hope you are. 21 emergency that can't be met by that County equipment - it gets 22 MISS RICHARDSON: I am. I truly am. (Laughter) You were 22 there as soon as it can from the available firehouse, then, as I 28 saying they bring out 400 gallons of water and that 60% -- aid contract the City of Hayward 23 understand it, through the mutual
24 MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, that 1s the notation in our Minutes that 24 units will respond. Now, this is the best I can explain it. 25 he said before the Commission, that at least 60% of their calls, 25 MISS RICHARDSON: All right. Jou said they get there as fast 26 presunably the Fairview Fire District, was to that area - namely, 26 as they can. How come when my house was on fire it took them a OBERT B. MANNERS, 0 BI ROBERT B. MANNERB, CER
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1 hundred years to get there? I didn't hear one fire alarm. "I'm 1 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Herron?
2, sorry." "Oh, my, what's happened?" How can they get there when MR. HERRON: The Redevelopment Agency will buy all land in the they don't have a siren on to get people out of the way? When they 3 project area, whether it be from one owner or four, or 400. 4 came to my house my yard was on fire three feet from my house and MISS RICHARDSON: All right. Now, if there is one deed to the 4 5. I didn't hear a siren down the street until I was down at the place, to the property, and it is stated instead of four separate 6 window and saw that they were there and then looked around and saw 6 deeds that the property has been homesteaded and that each lot is 7 my yard was on fire.
7 worth - or, they have to be paid $12,000 for each lot on that, 8 MR. LEWIS: I don't know any of the facts on this and I can't 8 each part of the property, will they get that price?
9 answer. I'm very sorry. MR. HERRON: What is this?. In a homestead? 10 MISS RICHARDSON: You were saying about property that might be MISS RICHARDSON: That is what I said. In other words -- 10 11 destroyed or something. MR. HERRON: Let me answer it this way, I'm not familiar with 12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Property that might be destroyed? 12 I the Homestead Law: The appraisal will be made on the property. 15 MISS RICHARDSON: Yes. Our lot is divided into four parts. It 13 If the appraiser takes cognizance of anything that is laid in 14 is in the process of being divided into four parts. Now, who are 14 there by law, that is one thing; if he does not, we will make an 15 they going to buy that from?
15 offer based on the appraisal. If that offer is not satisfactory, 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Would someone answer the question? She said 16 we probably will go to condemnation. 17 somebody made the statement that the property was going to be 17 MISS RICHARDSON: Well, I'd like to tell you a little bit about 18 divided into four parts. 18 the Homestead Act now, if you don't mind. 19 MISS RICHARDSON: I did not make that statement just now, sir. 19 MR. HERRON: It wouldn't do a bit of good here. 20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You said your lot was to be divided into four 20 MISS RICHARDSON: I think I'm going to have to tell you anyway. 21 parts, You restate it. You restate it. 21
I hate to have my dogs trying to get you for telling you something 22 MISS RICHARDSON: I will. jou don't know when you get ready for my talk - I'm 22 going to tell
25 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Go ahead.
23 you about it. It's been homesteaded in the law, you have to give 24 MISS RICHARDSON: I say, our lot is being divided: It is now 24 them what they want or trade them for their home, and if you want 25 in the process of being divided into four parts, and who is going 25 mine you are going to have to give me a ten-room house and wonder- 26 to buy the property when they get ready for it from our lot? ful land. 86 «STON REPORTER. NoT ROBERT B. MANNERE, O 8 R
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1 MR. HERRON: I think we will have to wait until the time comes, don't know what to do or where to go or what to think, what they Mrs. Richardson. have to do. Do you think - do you know when you going to try and MISS RICHARDSON: It's "Miss." start the plan?
4 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Miss Richardson -- SUPERVISOR RAZEIO: Start buying the property; you mean? 5 MISS RICHARDSON: I'm through. CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Herron? CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. Thank you. Now, is there anyone MR. HERRON: After the second hearing. The actual buying shouli 7 else who owns property and lives on the property within the project commence taking place in May or early June. 8 area who wishes to speak at this time? Will you come forward, 8 MR. PATTERSON: And, two, I heard that they're going to try to sir? Will you speak right to the point and weill try and - make divide the properties by the footage. Would you all tell me if that 10 it not over three minutes. Raise your right hand. 10 is true? 11 11 MR. HERRON: The property is appraised by the parcel, Mr. Pat-
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13 13 MR. PATTERSON: Well, we know, too, that property appraised or 14 THE CLERK: Your full name? 14 divided will be just about what it was down in Oakland, and we have 15 MR. PATTERSON; Be Patterson. 15 people out there, even myself, as not able to get behind the in- 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Taik right into the microphone. 16 debtedness at this hour of the day, and all we say, we better. 17 MR. PATTERSON: Bernie Patterson. 17 would that leave us head and heels over in debt, or owing? 18 MR. HERRON: I can't answer that until we know what the value 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL! WIll you use this microphone over here, sir. 19 Anybody that knows how to fix this microphone here? 19 of the property is. Each parcel will be appraised independently. 20 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Go ahead. 20 MR. PATTERSON: Well, you know yourself, when you see property 21 MR. PATTERSON: I want to ask the Planning Commission, after 21 and you - I think you got the ability to know what property 1s 22 they done already planned this redevelopment in Russell City - did seliing for all over the United States of America. It is not - you 23 you know about the plan when you make the start? 23 know, you can't get it for a song and a dance. If you could give 24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You are too close to the microphone. 24 me some kind of an idea. My lots; I have two lots, 130 back and 25 MR. PATTERSON: I said the Planning Commission have already 25 50 foot front, what do you think? Just an estimation of what a lot 26 made the plan and they got the people down there upset that 26 would cost if you was going to go out there and buy it and build ROBERT 8. MANNERE, CAR
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1 industrial property on it?
bought nothing that you sold for what you just give for it in your 1 MR. HERRON: It depends on where you would buy it, whether it life.
was suitable for industrial purposes. We're talking about the sale CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I can't understand you. Don't talk quite so of existing properties.
close.
5 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Let me ask you something, may I, sir? Do you MR. PATTERSON: I say, you asked me the question what I paid 6 mind - to
give us some idea? What did you pay for it? for it, and you take you - you are a man, a businessman - would 7 MR. PATTERSON: Well, that doesn't come under your heading! you buy something and have to eliminate around with it, try to 8 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Pardon?
8 improve it or do anything for it, and try to get just what Jou paid MR. PATTERSON: That doesn't come under your heading - I think for it out of it? 10 that is out of order.
10 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: That wasn't your question.
11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Okay. Proceed. Do you have any further? MR. PATTERSON: That is what you asked me:
11 12 MR. PATTERSON: Now, don't --
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I ask you how much - you asked us how much 13 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just
a minute, just a minute. I hope you 25 was your property - your property was worth. I certainly don't 14 understood when Mr. Herron made his presentation that after the 14 know. Mr. Herron doesn't know. And, sir, as we told you, there is 15 second hearing and when we proceed with this project then an ap- a procedure set up for that. This • when these hearings are con- 15 16
praisal will be made of the fair market value of all the property, 26 cluded and when we adopt the plan, then and only then will we pro- 17 they they will contact you, I think that was the procedure as 17 ceed with having an appraisal made of your property. I'm not an 18 outlined by Mr. Herron, and they will offer you the fair market 18 appraiser.
19 value of your property. Then if you do not accept that and you 18 MR. PATTERSON: well, just a few more words --
20 think it is worth more, then it goes to court under condemnation 20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Go ahead, 21 proceedings, and then it is in the hands of the court as to what is 21 MR. PATTERSON: -- and I will be through. If you are being the 22 a fair market price for your property. Now I think that is as fair 32 Planning Committee of Alameda County and you know, yourself, you 23 and honest a way as any that you can suggest to handle this prop- got peoples in here that's old people, and that's like we went ' 24 erty.
24 through the procedure when they opened up this meeting, we would 26 MR. PATTERSON: Well, Just like you asked me the question what 85 like for everybody to be fair and square to each other, and y'alls 26 I paid for it - now you take you, I imagine -- I imagine you never 86 the Planning Conmission and you know you sent a fellow out there, ROBERT B. MANNERS, DR
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1 thänk about getting in debt buying any ten and fifteen thousand CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you, Mr. Hughey.
2 dollar home. I'm not going to do that.
MR. HUGHEY: I thank you very much.
3 But it's one thing if I just have to get rid of my land - I do 3 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Hughey. Now, we 4 have to have enough out of it to buy me another home. And as far 4 have a Reporter here and it is necessary that he take a rest, so 5 as - they been talking about the relocation; I don't want nobody 5 we will have a five-minute recess.
6 to relocate me noplace - noplace - not long as I got breath in my (SHORT RECESS)
7 body and I got a limb. I'm a man enough to hunt my own. I always CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right, ladies, gentlemen, will you all be have. And if they want my property and got to have it, I mean pay 8 seated, please. Let's come to order. Move down in front as close me for it when I can buy any other place I want to buy - before I 9 as you possibly can so thatyou will be sure that you are hearing. 10 am located, I don't want it, If I can't have it.
10 All right, sir, do you want to speak?
11 And so I!ve heard them talk about this and this - of course it 11 MR. ROSS: Yes, sir.
12 is one thing I can't understand. Mens, when you work - that's all 12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. Now, if everyone will be seated. 13 I know to do is work - I've been a slave all my life, work and 13 We will all be seated and we will resume the meeting. Now, the 14 trying to live right and do right, and people, while you sleep, 14 next person who wishes to speak - you also live in the project area 15 it's pencilled out - oh, they take advantage. But it's not right 15 MR. ROSS: Yes, sir. 16 to move people, take advantage of them that don't know nothing and 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: And you own property in that area? 17 slip right up on them and all this stuff. The Lord ain't pleased 17 MR. ROSS: Buying property. 18 at it, I'm telling you what I know, and he going to punish us. We 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. Now understand, please - and all 19 going - we going give in time what we do here - and we going to be 19 those who follow you - that we will limit your presentation to three 20 awful careful and treat one another like we love to be treated. 20 minutes. Thank you very much.
21 Do that. You don't want - you don't want nothing bad. Don't deal 81 22 me nothing bad. You want the best? Give me the best. Give me a EARL ROSS 22 23 chance to get the best here. worn as a witness byth 23 lerk, testified as follows
24 Anyhow, I appreciate it very much. I appreciate it very much. 24 THE CLERK: Your full name and address? 25 You ain't got long to stay here nohow. If you don't do right here, 25 MR. ROSS: Earl Ross, 21176 Nebraska. Now, first Ird Iike to 26 no need to think about Heaven, because -..
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1 ment. The little girl spoke about this, now, and I can't but have growing, and we just leaving behind here. We have replacement 1 a lot of respect for those people, because I've helped down here strips, we got a - we got a map there - I mean, a landing field 3 with them and I think they done a wonderful job - and maybe, too, for airplanes; and an airport. We should do - just do something. 4 the young lady didn't know that the Hayward Fire Department didn't The condition is this - I have twelve children; I have a couple 5 4
have facilities to carry water like these in the rural district in Sunset High, a couple in other schools, some in Russell School. 5 6 and for that because we was a little slowful in getting help. (Ivaldi) 6 I work for Woundy Bros., the office is on Ist Street and we have But now my basic reason in getting up here, I recently got one on Hillary pit, so I'm just surrounded with my job, what have 7 burned out out there and fortunately my wife and twelve children you. I'm a little too old to build up on another job. I can't cut and myself, and the shack caught on fire, full day in the morning, it like I used to, so they got me flagging now. I'm a little weak. 9 10
and we were blessed to get out and lost everything we had - only So now I'm being replaced - I'm wondering where it would be, and if 10 11
my fishing clothes in the car. And so my neighbors and the people I could get a house compared with that one I have now. 11 12
of the area responded to my disastrous condition and they gave me Now since I was burned out, well, the replacement people came 12 15
clothes and helped me, and I'm very grateful for it - and they kind to my rescue and they tried to help me, and three weeks I waited on 18 14
of made me realize what a wonderful bunch of people we do have in 14 them and then eventually they told me they couldn't find a place 16 all our surrounding communities.
15 for me. So I found it a little strange, right up in Hayward by the 16 So in this condition of Russell City we realize that it's a bad 16 cannery, the gentleman that gave me a stove and icebox, and I went 17 one, and then we must consider the mere fact that the majority of up there and got out of a big house on Sunday, and that Monday they 18 the people there are laboring, poor class of people, and the most 18 came by and said they couldn't find anything - so you know there is 18 of us are on relief. So we - we are inadequate to employ physi- 19 different elements that we must face, and they're not spoken. We 20 cians or for that because we depend entirely on the County Staff, 20 don't want to make out anything --
21 and that is your condition there.
21 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Could you get to your question?
22 Now, as far as our house and sewer,we know we can't afford to 22 MR. ROSS: Yes. My question is this: What kind of facilities 25 pay tax enough to compute any money to do these things, so we 25 are going to be appropriated for the people that are going to be 24 realize now on this condition we have to scold on the Supervisors, 24 replaced, displaced, that you are going to move out when you take 25 because it should have been dealt with I think a long time ago. 25 over? What kind of insurance that they will have a home? 26 We know we got to grow. We know the rest of the world is 26 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You are talking about relocation of these OBERT B. MANNERS, C B I
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2 MR. ROSS: That's right. That's right. Jes.
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4 introduce Mr. Davis, who is in charge of our relocation program. 4 5 Mr. Davis, would you be sworn in answer to the question? 5 THE CLERK: Your name and address? 6 MR. FELICIANO: George Feliciano. I'm talking on behalf of my 6 HAROLD DAVIS
7 mother. She lived there for forty-five years.
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8 Clerk, testified as follows: CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Where does she live? ..
THE CLERK: Your name and position? MR. FELICIANO: On 2882 Galveston Avenue. 10 MR. DAVIS: My name is Harold Davis, Relocation Supervisor for CHAIRMAN PURSEL: 2882 Galveston? 11 the Redevelopment Agency, County of Alameda. MR. FELICIANO: Jes. 12 Io the members of the Agency, and Mr. Ross, we did - we have 12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Would you mind locating that? 13 met before; this is somewhat of an individual problem, but, brieflya 13 MR. FELICIANO: She is 83 years old and I imagine if you have 14 you will recall that we referred several what we thought would be 14 to move her out in there you just as well get a gun and shoot her, 15 very good leads in regards to relocation housing for you - which 15 because she just removed from - we moved from San Francisco when I 16 at the time you did not follow up, but this is another story. 16 was four years old and I have been there ever since, and I think I 17 In direct answer to your question, we will be prepared, and 17 got pretty darn good health drinking that well water. I have been 18 according to surveys that we have made, to supply housing on the 18 to the doctor about twice in my life. And my mother, I think the 19 basis of what the displacee will be able to afford. We have been 19 doctor probably been to the doctors more time than she has in her 20 surveying houses in the median price class, and if people can ar- 20 eighty-three birthdays - and I think she'll outwork any of us ford more then we are prepared to assist them and find them more 21 today: And we live right by the hog ranch down there, and that 22 housing. 22 smell of the hogs really puts the health in her and myself (laugh- 23 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you, Mr. Davis. 25 ter):
24 MR. ROSS: Thank you, gentlemen. I wanted to say more. 24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Go ahead, Mr. Feliciano. You have a ques- 25 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Is there anyone else who wishes to speak in 25 tion? 26 this matter, who lives on the project area and who own property on 26 MR. FELICIANO: Ies. I'd like to know - and my father, he's IDBERT B. MANNERS, G A R ROBERT B. MANNERS, C 9 R
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ill, and the property is willed over to my sister and myself, and 1 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Did you have another question, Mr. Feliciano? they try to relocate my mother - how would they try to get that MR. FELICIANO: Yes. property, because it's willed to myself and it's not to be sold 3 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Go ahead. 4 until both of them pass away. And according to my mother, she'll 4 MR. FELICIANO: I lived in the city of Hayward for 15 years, live to be a hundred.
5 since 146 to about two years ago I moved back out there to be CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. Mr. Herron, or Mr. Lewis? Would 6 alongside of my mother; to make sure that she was taken care of 7 you mind rephrasing the question once more, now, specifically? 7. because my father got a stroke. So at this time I was living in 8 MR. FELICIANO: The property is willed over to my sister and 8 town - I got two boys; my two boys were missing from one to two 9 I.
9 days from school, being sick all the time. You probably wonst 10 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: The property has been willed to you and your 10 believe this, but since we moved in Russell City over two years my 11 sister?
11 kids haven't missed a day being i11.
12 MR. FELICIANO: That's right, and it's not to be sold until 12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: It must be the water.
13 either one of my folks are passed away.
15 MR. FELICIANO: It's not only that, I think myself they got a 14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Both of whom live on the property? 14 lot of room out there to stretch out and play. And the people 15 MR. FELICIANO: That's right. And the way my mother is today, 15 here in town, they think more of their golf sticks than they do 16 I think she'll live to be a hundred and fifty. 16
their own children.
17 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Okay. Mr. Lewis?
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Think more of what?
18 MR. LEWIS: The provisions of a will have no effect on the 18 SUPERVISOR RAZETO: Golf sticks. 19 acquisition of property. Of course, If your mother should become 19 MR. FELICIANO: Golf sticks. And that is one reason I think of 20 deceased before the property is acquired title would be transferred 20 all prople that have no concern of delinquent children - that is 21 to you and your sister and the acquisition would be from you or 21 why we have so much delinquency today. We have more room for kids
22 your sister, or from her estate pending administration. In any 22 to get out and play and stretch out and hike, we wouldn't have so 23 case, the fact that it is covered by a will will not interfere 23 much delinquency. And Russell City hasn't got too much delinquency 24 with the acquisition of that property by the Agency, If - if, of 24 compared to other cities. Like you read in the paper here a while 25 course, the plan is adopted ultimately.
25 back, in San Francisco where all these well-to-do children have 26 MR. FELICIANO: Another question.
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don't do that because we have a few kids and we try to get them 1 this fire. Back I believe it was in 161 I was building my place 2 on the right track. up, trying to make it look pretty good, I guess, and one of my CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you, Mr. Feliciano, very much. Next? 3 neighbors turn me in - I didn't have no building pernit or nothing, and I had to go down here to West Winton, to the Alameda Building
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6 sork, stilted as follows:
6 about the thing, and they tried to give me the runaround and tell THE CLERK: Your full name and address? 7 me they didn't know who sent the call in. 8 MR. STONE: Malavin Stone, 2794 Dallas Avenue. 8 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Was that the Alameda County Building Depart- CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Proceed, Mr. Stone. ment on Winton Avenue? MR. STONE: I was listening at the doctor that was giving -- 10 MR. STONE: Yes, on West Winton Avenue. 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I presume you have a question you want to 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I see. Go ahead. 12 direct to someone? 12 MR. STONE: And - and the peoples told me down there that we 18 MR. STONE: I'm getting to my question now. 13 was going get run out of Russell City, or burned out, or we just 14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Iift up the microphone. That is it, 14 going to pick up and walk - and I quote that. 15 MR. STONE: These pictures and things, they are sugar-coated, 15 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Now, from your remarks, do you want to 16 you know, because you taken the worstest pictures in the worstest 16 direct a question to our Chief Building Inspector and ask him to 17 part of Russell City. And I wonder why did you do that? 17 comment on that? 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You are directing that question to the 18 MR. STONE: I do. 10 Director, Mr. Herron. Would you care to answer that? 19 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You said that - you realize that you were 20 MR. HERRON: It is true, There are only twelve photographs, 20 under oath when you made that statement?
21 but those twelve photographs represent a condition that exists in 21 MR. STONE: Yes.
more than 70% of the structures. 22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. Mr. Carlson? 23 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Wrong! 23 MR. CARLSON: Mr. Chairman and Ladies and gentlemen, the - the 24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You heard the statement, Mr. Stone, Did you 24 fact that we do not divulge the source of our information on com- 25 have another question? 25
plaints I think is one of the reasons why we have to depend on 26 MR. STONE: Now, Sister Richardson was up here talking about 26 people to - for our enforcement information. We canit possibly go OBERT B. MANNERS, 0 S F ROBERT B. MANNERB, C • R
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into all the dwellings or in the back yards or anything else, so 1 voice. Did I understand you to say, sir, under oath, that somebody 2 I think it is only fair to keep the source of our information 2 down at the Building Department said they were going to either run 3 quiet - otherwise people will not give us this information, which 5 you out or burn you out? is so necessary for the enforcement of our building laws. MR. STONE: That's true. 5 Now, the reason we canit Issue building permits in Russell City SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Listen. Just let me talk to the gentleman 6 is right in our Alameda Building Code, our building, plumbing, in front of me. Is that the statement that you repeated to me? 7 electrical and all these housing codes we have enforced. Pre- 7 MR. STONE: Correct. 8 requisite to issuing a building permit we must get approval from 8 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Well, that - I don't think Mr. Carlson - the County Health Department as to the status of the potable I don't think any member of this Board or anybody in their right 10 water and private sewage disposal. If that is not forthcoming or 10 mind would tolerate for one minute, believe you me. Now, people, 11 approved, we may not issue a building permit. 11 you say, said that to you? 12 Not so long ago the Board of Supervisors had amended the 12 MR. STONE: Yes.
15. Building Code to the effect that the Building Official may not 13 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: I always make it a point when somebody 14 issue permits in Russell City unless that conformed to all re- 14 ever makes a remark to me, or analogous to that, to find out their 15 quirements of an A-2, or agricultural, zone. Now, the minimum name - the only way we car search them out. But believe you me, 16 building site in an agricultural or A-2 zone is 2-1/2 acres per sir, I want you to understand - everybody in this audience - that 17 dwelling, or 5 acres - is a 5 acre parcel, but 2-1/2 acres per 17 this Board will never tolerate our people to treat people other 18 dwelling. I don't believe there are any parcels within Russell 18 than as people, so I just want to give that little point to you. 19 City that can conform to this requirement. Therefore, it is not 18 MR. CARLSON: Mr. Chairman, may I also interject - we don't - 20 only our building laws but also our zoning laws that would be in 30 we have compassion in here, we think they are good people, they 21 conflict were we to issue permits in Russell City. 21 are nice people, they don't always understand the law - and I 22 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Could I - can you hear me? 22 think without question members of my division have been courteous MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Yes. 28 to anyone that comes in from Russell City. It is difficult to get 24 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Is this on? 24 over the law to them. 25 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Yes. 25 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I think you have the answer, sir. We have 26 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: So loud anyway I can't even get my own about 5800 people that work for Alameda County and it is the OBERT E. MANNERS, C B ROBERT B. MANNERB, CB R
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88 1 request and the policy of this Board of Supervisors that they treat MR. ANTHONY: James Anthony, 2540 Atlantic. 2 and accord services to people with courtesy, and we do nöt tolerate CHAIRMAN PURSEL: May I suggest at the outset, Mr. Anthony, if any such remarks as you have reported here - and we are very sorry you don't mind - if you have a question would you try to direct it 4 it such an incident took place. Have you any further questions? 4 to one of the officials there? 5 MR. STONE: Yes. And on the same fire, a house could get 5 MR. ANTHONI: Yes. Well, I'd like to have the other mike, to 6 caught afire out there and you can call the fire department - they speak directly to the people in Russell City - this is concerning 7 would never come out there until the house done completely burned 7. the people of Russell City. 8 down. You go out there and you set a bonfire, or set a couch afire 8 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: The reason I asked you, you understand we 9 - the fire department there putting out the couch. are taking - 10 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. Thank you. 10 MR. ANTHONI: I just want to tell - 11 MR. STONE: That is all. 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just one minute, if you will. Do you live 12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Do you wish to speak to the program, sir? 12 in the project area? 13 MR. ANTHONY: Why do I have to swear to tell the truth? 13 MR. ANTHONY: Yes. 14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Why do you swear to tell the truth? 14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You own property- 15 MR. ANTHONY: Io take the oath, to be on oath to tell the truth? 15 MR. ANTHONY: My parents own property, yes. 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Well, Jou understand that we are conducting 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You are speaking for your parents? 17 a hearing in conformity to the Community Redevelopment Law, Section 17 MR. ANTHONY: And myself, too. 18 33,000, I belleve, in the Community Development Act. Certain pro- 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Well, I hope, Mr. Anthony, and I wish, if 19 cedures are laid down there; one of them is when this Board - or, 19 you will, that if you have a question you will direct it to one of 20 in the conduct of this hearing as to whether or not it will approve 20 the department heads there, who are competent to answer it, please. 21 this plan, that when it hears witnesses that they shall be sworn. 21 Thank you. 22 Does that answer your question? Go ahead. MR. ANTHONY: Well, may I have the other mike? 25 23 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Where is the other mike? Okay, go ahead. Go. 24 JAMES ANTHONY 24
ahead, it's the same mike, but go ahead. Go ahead, Mr. Anthony - vorn as a witness by th
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people the truth, as according of the reports that's been read. 1 S. P. tracks. This is the proposed redevelopment area. I think SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: The what? that - particularly Mr. Wigfall, who has an 1l-room house there - 2 MR. ANTHONY: The reports that have been read up.. All the he has three baths, he has made a great many improvements on it, reports that has been read about Russell City are outrageous lies, he has a 110-foot well, a septic tank, and he has good water which 4 and I guess all the people that live in Russell City know that it 5 is tested periodically by the Department of Social Welfare because 5 is nothing but outrageous lies. And because all this here - all 6 three foster children are placed in his home, and the question is:
that record that is wrote up is against the people that is in Can this jog be left out of the proposed redevelopment area? 7 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Iou are asking, then, that that area on 8 Russell City - in other words, the property owners, for their property. And this here, they would hold that against the people, Pestdorf - Is that the name of the street? 9 10 these reports, so that the people of Russell City, they can - they MR. GROVE: Yes, that is the name. won't receive the right price that they're expecting to get, a 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: - represented in that jog on the map; you are 11 fair price, because of these bad reports are - are such lies, I 12 asking us to consider excluding that? 12 should say, that are drawn up against Russell City. Thank you. 13 MR. GROVE: That's right. I notice that you have - Mr. Pursel, 15 14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. May I just make this one comment, 14 there is a symbol on your map there, "A," for instance, on Mr. 15 sir? Nobody here, including the staff and certainly no member of 15 Wigfall's property, indicating that he does have a sound structure 16 this Board, is making any outrageous lies. You know that. Next? 16 there. 17 17 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. Mr. Lewis?
ALAN GROVE 18 MR. LEWIS: Well, this obviously raises the question of ex- 18 sworn as a witness by the 10 cluding - two alternatives; excluding the property from the pro- 10 Clerk, testified as follows:
20 THE CLERK: Your full name, counsel? 20 visions of the land use, or excluding the property by reason of 21 MR. GROVE: My name is Alan Grove. I'm an attorney, with 21 amendment of the designation of the area as determined by the 22 offices at 225 West Winton Avenue, in Hayward, and I'm hete on 22 Planning Commission. 23 behalf of Miss Christine Zacher, who is at 20471 Pestdorf Iane - 83 As you will remember, the Planning Commission originally set 24 she has a 3-bedroom home there, and I'm also here on behalf of Mr. 24 the boundaries. We would recommend that if properties are to be 25 Austin Wigfall, who owns a house and lot at 20531 Pestdorf Lane, 25 excluded that it be done by amendment of the boundaries through 26 and the question is: These two are on a jog and they are above the 26 the Planning Commission.
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But I would like to state in this connection that the law, as 1 people in the audience are residents 2 I understand it - and I think it is fairly clear on this - is that of Russell City and have homes there, and so they are concerned about what is going to happen to the fact that one piece of property is not itself directly their houses, as well as to the land.
blighted does not effect the validity of a plan in including it. 4 But the State Redevelopment Law, under particularly Article 2, 5 It's - so long as the accomplishment of a plan is reasonably 5 where it sets up declaration of policy, indicates one of the 6 necessary to the inclusion of this property, which is a legislative 6 characteristics of blight. I mentioned a couple in my remarks; I'd determination by the Planning Commission, then the courts would 8 like to add a couple more to it, because I think it is applicable not overrule it.
8 - appropriate particularly to the area north of West Winton Avenue 9 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Mr. Chairman, on the same line could I ask within the project area as proposed. Here are factors of blight 10 a question of the Planning Director?
other than structural: Age, obsolescense, deterioration, dilapida- 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Sweeney.
11 tion, mixed character, or shifting of use. A blighted area can 12 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: And what have you up here? What is this, 12 also be characterized by economic dislocation, deterioration, or 13 a jury? No, I talk without that mike. I want to know, and I don't 13 dis-use resulting from faulty planning. It can include areas where 14 know whether I missed the meeting of the Board when they had the 14 the subdividing and sale of lots of Irregular form and shape or planning, why we don't follow what might be known as natural 15 16 boundaries? This happens to be what, Winton? Winton Avenue? In inadequate size for proper usefulness and development - paren- 16 thetically, in this case for industrial purposes - would not be 17 other words, is this a blighted area? Was that the reason? How 17 deemed adequates where also the existence of inadequate streets, 18 did you come to go up to here, maybe not here? In other words, 18 open spaces, or utilities are being - or, are not provided. And 19 there is a reason for everything - and how did you happen to stop 19 these are just a few. I only mention these as examples. 20 here and not go to here? Will someone give me that information? 20 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Now, when this outline was made it was 21 MR. LEWIS: May the record show Mr. Sweeney is pointing to the 21 22 made on the premise of what you are reading now? I'm talking boundary on the north side of the project - that is, on Winton 22 basically north - I guess that is north, of Winton Avenue. 23 Avenue. Mr. Williams?
25 MR. WILLIAMS: All right. And also not to landlock an area 24 MR. WILLIAMS: Mr. Sweeney, in response to your question, 24 25 for residential purposes that is going to be blocked in by indus- there are several - several factors of blight; structural blight is 25 trial on the north and industrial development and airport on the - 26 one. We have emphasized this tonight because I think most of the 26 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Mr. Williams, I am not arguing the point, ROBERT B. MANNERS, C E R
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just want to -- 1l-room house might be relocated into a residential district fol-
2 MR. WILLIAMS: Merely speaking for clarification.
redevelopment. It certainly may be available. I don't know. This 3 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: That's right. I just want to speak from would be between the Agency and the applicant. 4 my own ignorance, or whatever you want to call it. I wanted a 4 SUPERVISOR HANNON: As it stands now, that - as I say, it is not reason why, and you answered me the reason that is in there. 5 contiguous to the area, it is across the railway tracks from the 6 SUFERVISOR HANNON: Mr. Williams, could I address a question in redevelopment area. If they rezoned the parcel to any type of regard to Mr. Grove's problem, referring to the area which lies to 7 end zoning or industrial zoning he would still remain as a non- the north and the east - to the east of the railway and north of 8 conforming use and could maintain a residence there indefinitely.
Winton, which area I'm familiar with - Mr. Wigfall owns the second 9 MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, he would, if it were rezoned either by the 10 parcel there. I'm familiar with Mr. Wigfall's house and have been 10 County or the City. He would be in a non-conforming category, 11 in it several times, and to me it - well, I don't have to speak 11 that is correct.
12 further than to say the County Welfare Department has approved it SUPERVISOR HANNON: And could maintain - as I say, Mr. Wigfall 15 as a foster home.
13 now is maintaining I believe four charges, or four foster children, 14 Now, that parcel of property 1s/contiguous to the redevelopment 14 in the home, certainly is donating a great service to the county, 15 area, in the sense that it is across the railroad tracks from it, 15 and he has an "A" class home. 16 nor could it be classified as blightened. The question is; How MR. WILLIAMS: That is right. It is not a structural blight. 17 could it be included?
17 SUPERVISOR HANNON: And it is not contiguous to the area. I 18 MR. WILLIAMS: Mr. Supervisor, it is marked on the age and 18 don't understand why it would be included in the area. 19 condition map, what we call the land use detail map, as an "A" 19 MR. WILLIAMS: For many of these reasons I just read to Super- 20 condition dwelling - in other words, a dwelling of sound condition. 20 visor Sweeney, many other factors of blight than .. 21 It is not a structural blight. It is a blight of irregular shape. 21 SUPERVISOR HANNON: The factor of blight you mentioned - 22 Property by itself that has no industrial potential until such 22 rather, the irregularly-shaped lot; there are Ilterally millions 23 time as it were, in a sense, collected and gathered together with 23 of irregularly shaped lots in the County: Why would we consider 24 other
properties of adequate size where an industrial potential 24 this as -- 25 could be realized. It 1s not an induatrial potential. I don't 25 MR. WILLIAMS: I would refer you to Article 2, dealing with the 26 know, maybe Mr. Herron can speak to the facts of whether that 26 declaration of state polley within the Community Redevelopment Law, ROBERT B.
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specifically, on page 173, which lists the factors and characteris- I MR. GROVE: Could Mr. Austin Wigfall be sworn? I think he 1 tics of blight, which are all taken into account in the determina- 2 has several questions. 3 tion and delineation of the project boundaries as proposed. 3
AUSTIN WIGFALL
SUPERVISOR HANNON: Is there a code section on that, or is worn as a witness by th
that a regulation? 5 lerk, testified as follows
MR. WILLIAMS: It is the Health & Safety Code, Division 24= THE CLERK: Your full name and address? 6 7 Statutes of 1951, Chapter 710. MR. WIGFALL: Austin Wigtall, 20531 Pestdorf Lane. I don't SUPERVISOR HANNON: Do you have a code section number? think I could make any addition as to what hasn't already been 8 9 MR. LEWIS: There is - there is a specific code section, series said, only that in 19 and 60 this Planning Conmission passed a 10 of sections, up in the first part of the Redevelopment law, starting 10 resolution - that is, No. 3438 - for me to move a structural 11 from about 33000. 11 building over the north boulevard down to Pestdorf lane and make 12 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Take the book home and read it. 12 an addition for foster children, and at that time the chairman of 15 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Any lot to be included in redevelopment 18 the conmittee showed the picture of the building, the home, that I 14 would have to be blighted and contiguous to a blighted area, is 14 already had and he said "If this man can afford to put up a 16 that correct? 10 building Ilke this, give him anything that he can afford," and 16 MR. WILLIAMS: Not necessarily. As Mr. Lewis indicated, the 16 they okayed it and I moved the building down there. 17 Iot itself could be conforming in every respect - it might even 17 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Pardon me. I'm lost here. Just where 18 have industrial potential in an Isolated sense - but if it were 18 are you in this deal? surrounded by factors of blight it's legitimate under the Re- 19 MR. WIGFALL: I'm right up in the corner there. 20 development Law to bring that property in, in the interest of the 20 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Oh, you are up on that section too. 21 total project. 21 MR. WIGTAIL: On that section.
22 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Provided It is "surrounded by," and this 22 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Okay. 23 is not. 28 MR. WIGFALL: Speaking about health conditions, the Health 24 MR. WILLIAMS: The Commission felt it was, and they so desig- 84 Department come down and inspected my water, because I keep the 25 nated it. 25 foster children, and the health inspector say it's the best water 26 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Any further questions on this matter? 26 in the area - several times he took a bottle of it home - bottleful OBERT E. MANNERS, C 8 I ROBERT B. MANNERS, C B R
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98 1 home. So when I was confronted that I was in the boundary lines, 1 resides at 2159 Mississippi Street, Russell City, and owns an then I immediately wrote Governor Brown and asked him to help me adjoining parcel. 3 in this situation, and he - he said the Planning Commission had CHAIRMAN PURSEL: The pointer indicates the location of the it proposed this plan, but it hadn't gone through. He said in the property. Go ahead, sir. Did you have a question? 5 event it did they would give a fair price, and yah-yah-yah, you 5 MR. LOJO: I have a question I'd like to introduce, perhaps 6 know, like that. So I don't see why I'm hooked into the thing. I
6. with a little preliminary comment. My client, a little old widow 7 tried to do everything I could to live in a way that you should lady who has lived on this property for some 24 years - it's paid live. The onliest reason why, I just don't have City water and for, she has no income to speak of. Weive heard much discussion 9 sewers. Other than that the house is in good shape. It's a about the replacement value that will be paid to her - not 10 eleven-room structure, up-to-date, with three or four or five baths, 10 replacement, I'm sorry, I will withdraw that - the market value to 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I think we appreciate that fact, Mr. Wigfall. 11 be paid to her if her property is condemned in this project. 12 MR. WIGFALL: Okay. 12
My question concerns replacement value on the market of her 15 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Anything further?
home to her. What assurance has she of being relocated, as the 14 MR. WIGFALL: No, that's it. 14
gentlenan spoke - where will she go? How much will she owe, and 15 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Wigtail. Now, is 15 how will she pay for it? 16 there anyone else who lives in the area and who owns property in 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I think - 17 the area who wishes to speak at this time? 17 MR. IOJO: I think this is a question, if I may continue for 18 MR. LOJO: I have been before the Supreme court of this State; 18 a moment -- 19 if you want me to take the oath again, I will. 19 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. 20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I think it is proper that you should, sir. 20 MR. IOJO: -- that has come to many of the people that are 21 21 altting here. Where will they go? What will it cost them? And PETER Ie LOJO
22 22 is this redevelopment move going to allow them to afford it? It 25 lerk, testified as follows 23 is a question in the minds of all of us right now. 24 THE CLERK: Your full name? 24
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Davis? Thank you. Mr. Davis will answer 25 MR. IOJO: My name is Peter Lawrence Lojo. I am an attorney at 25 that question. 26 law. I'm here appearing on behalf of Mrs. Tinonas, who presently 86 MR. LOJO: If you can, sir.
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CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Bearing in mind we are fast approaching the MR. DAVIS: We cannot tell you exactly at this time where any 1 hour of adjournment, but it willl permit of perhaps one more resi- one family will go. If Mrs. Tinonas has a problem she is concerned 2 dent of the Russell City area who owns property there to speak - about now, we invite her - as we have at several public meetings somebody who at this point has not had an opportunity to speak. Is 4 at prior times invited any person - to come down and talk specifi- there anyone? (No response) Anyone here present that lives in the 5 cally about their problem. If I attempt to answer your general Russell City area, that owns their property there, that wishes to 6 question now, I will be prone to have to give you misinformation, 6 speak to us at this time? (No response)
7 which I will be held to later. They will go where their money will That being the case, then - it is now 10:25 and we agreed, did allow them. we not, that we would adjourn this meeting at 10:30, so we - I take 9 MR. LOJO: This the question in the minds of all of us now 9 it that we have finished the two categories; No. I, the category 10 involved in this project. How much money are we talking about, it 10 which includes those who own property in the Russell City area but 11 11 will allow them to go anyplace? who live outside the county, and we have also finished the category 12 MR. DAVIS: We are talking about a fair market value. Now, I area and who 12 which includes those who own property in the project 13 15 don't know what a piece of property will bring, any more than you 14 live within the project area, so we are now at the point where at 14 do. It hasn't been appraised as yet. the next meeting we want to hear, first, from those who own property 15 MR. LOJO: It has been estimated the property will sell for 15 in the Russell City area but who live outside of the area but 16 16 $8500 an acre to the redeveloper. - or, after redevelopment. Now, within the county. So with that we will bring this meeting to a 17 do we have any figure on what it will be purchased for from the 17 close and we will recess it until 2:30 in this same hall this 18 18 parties who are being asked to sell? Thursday.
19 MR. DAVIS: These appraisals haven't been made, sir. They will 19 SUPERVISOR RAZETO: This Thursday?
20 20 not be made until after the plan has been adopted, or whatever CHAIRMAN PURSEL: This coming Thursday. Do you object to that? 21 21 action will be taken.
22 MR. MeCULIUM: Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman.
22 MR. IOJO: Can you tell me, sir, is there any validity of the CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. McCullu? 23 figure of $2000 an acre which the Redevelopment Agency wishes to 23 MR. MCCULLUM: Mr. Chairman, I wish you would give considera- 24 24 purchase this property? tion to a night meeting. Most of our constituents work and it's 25 25 MR. DAVIS: Not from my office, sir. hard enough to journey over here - but to make it at 2:30 makes it 26 26 MR. LOJO: Thank you.
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uniqueness of their position. 1 respect to the presentation of Mr. Fairwell on behalf of the 2 Now, realizing that you gentlemen are delegated to the welfare 2 Santucci brothers? of the whole county and will keep your stated intention to relocate 3 MR. HERRON: No, sir. I think it is an excellent statement. a displaced business, and would never allow citizens to be deprived 4 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. of their property without fair and adequate compensation, the San- 5 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Mr. Chairman. 6 tuccis will cooperate with you and your staff to the end that this 6 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Hannon. 7 project may be a success and this fine county can continue its SUPVR. HANNON: Might I ask Mr. Herron:•. As I understand the 8 forward movement. 8 enabling legislation on this you would have - the Redevelopment I feel that the County cannot survive this project with a clear Agency is obligated to locate another parcel of property within 10 conscience if the approach to value is purely technical, legal, and 10 the county in which the Santuccis could locate a hog farm, at a
11 fair market. You are dealing with a unique situation, and this 11 price commensurate with what the fedevelopment Agency pays them 12 calls for imagination. The majority of these people cannot re- for the existing farm is that correct? 13 locate satisfactorily or with dignity if they only receive market MR. HERRON: We are not obligated to assist any business, We 15 14 value - and neither can my clients, the Santuccis. 14 are obligated to assist residents. But it has been the practice 15 The Santuccis have requested that I express their appreciation 15 | in all agencies to render whatever assistance is possible fer any 16 for the courtesy extended to them by your staff, and particularly 16 person or any business dislocated or displaced from the project 17 by Mr. George Herron. Thank you. 17 area.
18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: We appreciate your presentation, Mr. Fairwell, 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Does that, answer your question, Mr. Hannon? 19 Mr. Herron, would you mind identifying this property on the map 19 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Yes, it does, Mr. Chairman. 20 within the project? 20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Is there anyone else who falls in this 21 MR. HERRON: On the map, sir, is the hog processing installa- 21 category; namely, they own property within the project, do not 22 tion, the lower parcel. The Ik-acre parcel which is used as an 22 Iive in the project area, who live in the county? Would you. give 23 adjunctive holding use is here. On the aerial photo it shows very 28 your name and be sworn by the clerk. 24 clearly. This 1s the farm operation, this is the holding and 24 25 JOHN FARRELL
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26 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. Do you have any comments with 26 OBERT B. MANNERE, C 6 F DBERT B. MANNERS, 0 S 1
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I Avenue there: What I would like to know - do you know the property, 1 THE CLERK: Your name and address?
the line I'm talking about, Mr. Williams?
MR. FARRELL: My name is John Farrell, 168 Maiden Lane, Oakland.
I own property on the north side of West Winton Avenue. I think MR. WILLIAMS: No.
Mr. Herron will point it out, he is familiar with it. 4 MR. FARRELL: Opposite that red line up there, That boundary 4 MR. HERRON: It is this parcel right at the anglebend, as shown 5 line, the black one. What relationship does that have to Russell 5 City line, or to the Hayward line? In other words, I want to know 6 here on the anglebend.
MR. FARRELL: This consists of slightly over one acre of vacant where Russell City line runs and where the Hayward City line runs. 8 MR. WILLIAMS: For the record, the line being identified is 8 property. At the present time it is zoned commercial, so I could 9 the most easterly boundary line of the proposed project limits, and 9 develop it if I was allowed to for my own use. The properties surrounding that are all vacant properties, with the exception of 10 northerly of West Winton Avenue. 10 11 MR. FARRELL: I still want to know where Russell City line 18. 11 one or two homes right in that area.
Now, I feel that West Winton Avenue is a natural boundary line 12 MR. WILLIAMS: There is no such thing as Russell City line. 12 the majority of the property up there isn't considered 15 MR. FARRELL: Well, then, how did we arrive at that line. on 13 and that
blight - although there is a definition of blight because there is 14 the right side? 14 a lack of sewers, I know that, but speaking of the structures, 15 MR. WILLIAMS: This is considered as the Russell City Area, Or 15 there are very few structures on the north side of West Winton 16 the Russell City and its environs, which would include, for our 16 Avenue - especially in that area where we have our property. 17 purposes and studies, the area north of West Winton up to the city 17 18 Limit lines in this position.
18 Now, we would like to develop this property ourselves. As long as it's zoned commercial now, we'd like to have the opportunity. 10 MR. FARRELL: And where does Hayward come down, over on the 19 20 east side?
20 We've held it for approximately ten years with the intention of developing it. We would be willing to cooperate with any of the 21 MR. WILLIAMS: I believe it does come down this way, as I 21 22 recall - maybe one variation on that, I'd have to refer to Mr. 22 agencies in bringing our property up to whatever standards are set 83 Herron.
25 in the area.
I have one question I would like to have answered, if Mr. 24 MR. FARRELL: I'm very interested in it. I'd Iike to get a 24 Williams is ready - It is relative to the boundary, the eastern 25 clear answer where Hayward is on that line. There must be some 25 boundary - that would be the northeast corner of West Winton 26 designated spot on there to let us know. 26 ROBERT B. MANNERE, C S R
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MR. WILLIAMS: It may be on this map more clearly defined. structures - that I Will agree. Still, they have blighted elements MR. FARRELL: Well, I'm quite - I'm familiar with that, that. - talking again about physical blight - contiguous to them, or 2 map, the one you were pointing at. blighting uses - such as large-scale stock operations, which are MR. HERRON: The City of Hayward boundary follows the project fly breeders, odor breeders - to some extent vector problems - that 4 boundary along this line; it then departs northerly and reaches 5 have to be removed. You can't chop a line off short and move any 5 this line and goes this way. The nearest north-south boundary from development up to that line and say "What's on the other side the City of Hayward is approximately this parcel line here, the doesn't amount to anything." Now, those were the principles in 7 parcel - the approximate parcel line that I refer to is the westerl! which the staff was guided. line of that parcel containing approximately 1.41 acres and desig- We have set up an area which we feel removes the existing 9 nated as Parcel 1. I don't have the book number for that. 10 blight. It provides sufficient buffering so there will be no 10 MR. FARRELL: In other words I mean your area - you developed further encroachment of blight on the project area. 11 these lines through your staff; I mean it's not definitely a city 12 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Mr. Chairman, may I ask Mr. Herron: Why 12 13 didn't you go over to the Hayward line on this side? What was the 13 line of any kind.
MR. HERRON: That is correct. 14 reason?
14 MR. FARRELL: In other words there has been exceptions made on 15 MR. HERRON: Io the east side, sir? 15 the eastern line, where you drew the line, and there could be ex- 16 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: That's right. In other words, how far is 16 ceptions made elsewhere on the northern side of West Winton Avenue? 17 It over, roughly, to the Hayward line - and north? 17 MR. HERRON: There are - there are no exceptions made anywhere. 18 MR. HERRON: It's approximately 800 feet easterly, sir. 18 The staff laid out this area for a number of principal reasons. We 18 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Why? Why was it? What is the reason that 19 neither included nor excluded anything for the particular value or 20 you didn't go to that Hayward line? That it wasn't blighted? Or 20 lack of value of one parcel. In setting up any sort of a redevel- 21 - they evidently don't have sewers or water there. 21 opment operation, such as we have going here, obviously it would be 22 MR. HERRON: No, sir. That is correct. But we - following the 22 not favorable at all to chop anything off at an artificial boundary 23 same logic, we could have gone clear up to Clawiter Road. 23 such as a road. Granted that there are parcels lying north of the 24 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: That is quite true. 24 road which, of themselves, except for the lack of sewer and water, 25 MR. HERRON: This is sufficient, the point we reached, to 25 which occurs all through this area, they do not contain deteriorated 26 satisfy ourselves that there would be no blight encroachment, close 26 ROBERT B. MANNERS, O B R
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encroachment, on the project area. 1 MR. HERRON: Sir, that is - 1 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: But there is, at the present writing, some SUPERVISOR HANNON: Along with -- of that near Mr. Farrell's property? MR. HERRON: - that is correct, sir. But that is a corridor.
MR. FARRELL: Correcto 4 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Then northerly three or four feet you run 4 MR. HERRON: Right next door. Mr. Farrell's property is on the 5 into the northerly - northerly three or four feet from the other end, sir - and this line here is also the City of Hayward 6 northerlymost line of the project area also would be following the 7 Hayward City Line, is that correct?
7 boundary.
SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: That is -- 8 MR. HERRON: Not quite, sir. The Hayward City Line comes up to 8 MR. HERRON: This is the easterly Iimit of the City of Hayward, this corridor. This parcel of 3.62 acres, lying southerly from at this point, and the westerly limit of the project area. This 10 West Winton Avenue, picks up - the City has taken, has annexed, at 10 is the southerly limit - this line is the southerly limit of the 11 some previous time, this one parcel - it brings up a narrow corri- 11,
City of Hayward and the northerly 11mit of the project area. These 18 dor approximately 156 feet wide up to and across West Winton 12 15 are contiguous lines. 13 Avenue, follows the same parcel line northerly until it reaches the SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: All right. Then let's go north. You said 14 northerly limits, and then proceeds westerly. 14 just a few minutes ago that the Hayward - northeast, that the Hay- 15 SUPERVISOR HANNON: The area - the area lying to the east of 15 16 ward line was Just above that. Is the same reasoning that you gave 16 the railway track that is included within the project area, is that me for the eastern part applicable to that section? 17 considered to be blighted? 17 18 MR. HERRON: Yes, sir. There would have been no particular 18 MR. HERRON: A good portion of it 1s, yes, sir. 18 purpose in carrying the boundaries to the City of Hayward line 19 SUPERVISOR HANNON: The Land Iying east of the railway? along here, considering the uses and the size of the parcels. This 20 MR. HERRON: Yes. You are referring, now, to this area? 20 21 we belleve is adequate to provide the buffer zone. 21 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Jes. 22 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Mr. Chairman, might I ask -- 22 MR. HERRON: That is correct, sir.
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Hannon. 23 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Does that answer your question, Mr. Farrell? 23 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Along the same lines of Supervisor 24 MR. FARRELL: Yes, Mr. Pursel, it does. The only thing, as 24 Sweeney's question, as I understand it 800 feet east of the 25 long as you have gone 800 feet this side of the Hayward line you 85 easterly-most projection you run into the Hayward line? 26 could go the other side. We have commercial property there, too, 26 ROBERT B. MANNERS, O = R ROBERT B. MANNERE, OB R
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1 and that is the basis of my protest. It isn't an all-inclusive 1 not essentially blighted, there is no more reason this should be 2 area. If it was all-inclusive, all Hayward, I would feel it is 2 excluded by extent of its location than any individual parcel in 3 justified - and I feel it is not. I have been on Clawiter Road, 3 the project area which of itself is not blighted. 4 you can get half acres of industrial land - and I have over an MR FARRELL: As I - we have a natural boundary line, West 5 acre and I feel I should be able to develop that myself. 5 Winton Avenue. There is a lot of property above that that is 6 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Do you feel that to the right - I don't know 6 vacant property and it is pretty well separated. I don't want to how you would put that, is that northerly or easterly? 7 take the time up, because a lot of people want to talk. But I 8 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Easterly. 8 wish to protest to losing my property. 9 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Easterly. You feel that that project line CHAIRMAN PURSEL: The record will show Mr. Farrell desires to 10 should be extended easterly the additional 800 feet until it 10 protest the inclusion of his property within the project area, as 11 concided with the Hayward line, the same as it does -- 11 referred to in Exhibit D, I guess it is, on the map, by Mr. Herron. 12 MR. FARRELL: I feel if it is going to go over that far it 12 All right. The next speaker? 13 should go all over the 800 feet up to the northerly end and make it 13 14 GEORGE SPOTT
14 all-inclusive. I feel if this property is vacant property up worn as a witness by the
15 there above, it has been left out - I don't see why our property on 15 lerk, testified as follows. 16 other end, if they are going to move the line in on this side 16 THE CLERK: Your name and address? 17 why not have it on the other side. If they, say, to me, have a 17 MR. SPOTT: George Spott, 4882 Shetland Avenue, Oakland, Cali- 18 Iittle pocket - they aren't having a pocket. Our property is 18 fornia. I am the owner of three parcels of land on the north side 19 commercial. There is a lot of development on Clawiter Road that 19 of West Winton Avenue - two parcels being one acre in size, more or 20 takes in less than an acre and we can develop this very nicely 20 less. These parcels of land are presently zoned for industrial use 21 ourselves. 21 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Excuse me, now. Would you mind having Mr. 22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Herron? 22 Herron locate your property on the map? 23 MR. HERRON: If We follow Mr. Farrell's reasoning, then we 23 MR. HERRON: You are referring to both of them, Mr. Spott? 24 should proceed with the exception of this one corridor approxi- 24 MR. SPOTT: I have three parcels. That is one, and two on 25 mately 3500 feet easterly to the entrance to the Hayward Airport, 25 Pestdorf. 26 or, conversely, if it is true that his particular parcel here is 26 MR. HERRON: One, two, and three (indicating).
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1 MR. SPOTT: Right. Commission, the Redevelopment Agency, and the City of Hayward - but CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. 2 protest strongly being included in the condemnation thereof.
MR. SPOTT: They are both well located; one has 180 foot front- Now I'd like to ask a question also on this boundary, may I? 4 age on West Winton Avenue and the other has 205 foot frontage on Is this correct (indicating)? 5 the Southern Pacific Railroad spur siding and 175 feet on Pestdorf 5 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Would you mind using the microphone, for the 6 Lane. 6 record?
7 I would like to protest the inclusion of this property in your MR. SPOTT: Is this correct? Doesn't this map show this is the 8 plans for the redevelopment of Russell City. If this property were 8 boundary of the City of Hayward - or is this an error? to be excluded, it would not interfere with any of your planned MR. HERRON: That is an error on that map. 10 improvements which are to be done according to your booklet dated 10 MR. SPOTT: In other words the map is in error? 11 December 1962 - that 1s this booklet here, the Redevelopment Plan 11 MR. HERRON: What exhibit is that? 12 for Russell City Project. Under the land use, Exhibit No. 1, your 12 MR. SPOTT: Exhibit 2. 15 plan calls for the property to be zoned industrial. This property 18 MR. HERRON: On Exhibit 2 in the Plan, this line that I Will 14 on North Winton is already zoned industrial. Under your Public point out on the map is shown as the City of Hayward boundary 15 Road Plan, Exhibit No. 2, your plan calls for West Winton Avenue. 15 Line. This is an incorrect showing. Exhibit 2 shows this line, 16 to be improved, and states "within the existing rights of way".- 16 a northerly boundary liné, as being the limit of the City of 17 also some public roads are to be abandoned, none of which are on Hayward (indicating). The boundary line as properly shown is this 18 the north side of Winton Avenue. Under the Public Improvements, 18 heavy line, which is concurrent with the project boundary. 19 Exhibit No. 3, the water main will be placed in Winton Avenue and 19 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Does that answer your question, Mr. Spott? 20 the sewer line will come from the south end of Russell City. None 20 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Could I ask a question of Mr. Spott? 21 of the above - none of the above improvements would hinder - would 21 MR. SPOTT: Yes. 22 be hindered by excluding the property north of West Winton Avenue. SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: You started out about your own properties 23 I have sent letters of protest to the Board of Supervisors and 23 north of Winton, then you made a statement to have all those 24 the Redevelopment Agency, and I understand that most of the prop- 24 properties excluded, am I correct? Is that what you.-- 25 erty owners on the north side of Winton have done the same. 25 MR. SPOTT: Well, in a way I don't feel that you could exclude 26 I am willing to cooperate with Alameda County, the Planning 86 my property and not the others. You would be -- ROBERT B. MANNERS, O B R ROBERT B. MANNERS, C B R
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SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Well, you would be spot (Spott?) zoning, slightly blighted, another is more heavily blishted. These areas 2 so to speak.
are in or surrounded by blighted conditions of one type or another. 3 MR. SPOTT: Right. So I think the only thing to do would be We have pushed these boundaries up as far as we went not because 4 to exclude all the property north of Winton Avenue.
particularly there were no sewers at one house or sewers in
5. SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Wherein your properties are?
another, but to make certain that. the redevelopment project area 6 MR. SPOTT: Yes, uh-huh. Something else I would like to ask was buffered over again from the encroachment of any further 7 also: Now, there's only approximately 14 residents on that north blighting conditions.
8. side in approximately 32 acres, and it seems our biggest problem CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Does that answer your question, Mr. Spott? is sewers. Now, I donit think that those 14 residents can create MR. SPOTT: Well, I still protest very strongly. I want to go 10 too big a problem on 32 acres, and I would like Mr. Davis, if he 10 on record. I don't think that that property is as blighted as it 11 has the information, so that the Board of Supervisors would also 11 is meant to seem. There are some fine homes in there. I know the 12 know, to point out the properties that are improved and the 18 area quite well, and there aren't many residents living in that 13 properties that are unimproved, and explain the condition of the 13 area - many of the homes only have two people living in them, so 14 properties. I think the properties are all in fairly good condi- 14 it's not much of a problem. And a lot of it is vacant land. And 15 tion on the north side of West Winton Avenue, other than a few - 15 I don't know who you can call vacant land too blighted. 16 I think it would be quite an eye-opener.
16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Herron?
17 MR. HERRON: May I answer that for Mr. Davis? He is not 17 MR. HERRON: May I answer again, sir - there is no more reason 18 familtar, particularly, with conditions. 18
to exclude a piece of property such as Mr. Farrell's or Mr. Spott's 19 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You have no objections, Mr. Spott? 19 because it is vacant land than there would be to exclude any other 20 MR. SPOTT: No. No. 20
piece of property anywhere in the project area because it was 21 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Go ahead. 21
vacant land.
22 MR. HERRON: The exact condition of each structure varies. 22 MR. SPOTT: I can't go along with that. Some of the properties 23 There are your structures that are seriously deteriorated, there 23 in the other areas - I know weire not here to argue - are small. 24 are others that are less deteriorated. Again for the purpose of 24 parcels, there's clouds in the titles, there's streets that have to 25 the staff - the purpose of the staff in setting those boundaries 25 be done away with, and all kinds of problems. North of Winton
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1 the land. There have been, insofar as we can find, no individual parcels of ground. And I don't thing that cattle operation that 1 2 occasions in the state wherein owner participation was permitted we were referring to up there is very large - I think there is about 2 on vacant land.
three or four cows there on five acres of ground - it is more of a 3 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Under the legislation setting it up it is 4 hobby than anything else.
5 permitted, though, is that correct?
SUPERVISOR HANNON: Mr. Chairman, could I ask Mr. Spott a 6 MR. HERRON: Yes, sir.
question? SUPERVISOR HANNON: And are there minimum requirements as to 7 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Hannon.
8 acreage, or anything such as that, as to when an owner can parti- SUPERVISOR HANNON: Mr. Spott, would you be willing to parti- 8 cipate?
9 cipate with the Redevelopment Agency in the development of your 10 MR. HERRON: No, sir. That would depend on the zoning. 10 property? MR. SPOTT: Thank you very much.
11 MR. SPOTT: I have stated that in letters to the Board of 11 12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Spott. Next speaker; Supervisors and the Planning Commission, and I have stated it 12 13
13 tonight also - yes. BOBERT KENNON
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15 Clerk, testified as follows:
perhaps a question of Mr. Herron, the last three speakers, Mr. 15 THE CLERK: Your name and address?
Spott, Mr. Farrell, and the Santucci Brothers, are all willing 16 apparently to participate with the Redevelopment Agency in the MR. KENNON: My name is Robert Kennon, 16662 Rolando Avenue, 17 18 San Leandro. I would like to object to this plan on the grounds of development. I understand the enabling legislation allows owner 18 18 the entire people of Russell City. I own a piece of property with participation. Would you tell us the requirements on owner 19 my mother, Mrs. Kennon. We don't think our property should be 20 participation in redevelopment?
21 included. But I think there is a bigger issue.
MR. HERRON: Owner participation, in general - this is not a 21 22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Could I ask you, Mr. Kennon, if you don't statutory requirement, but owner participation in general with 22 28 mind, what is the address of the property, so that Mr. Herron, for redevelopment projects in the State of California has been limited 23 24
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to one or - one of two items; either the extension, alteration or 24 25 MR. KENNON: It is about 100, 200 feet from the corner of expansion of an existing structure or operation on the property, 85 86 Louisiana and West Winton, on the west side.
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1 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Right in there.
Now, in the case of federal - Russell City, under this County 2 MR. KENNON: It is a vacant lot, so it does not have an address, 2 plan, I was at one meeting and it was said that the redevelopment to my knowledge.
3 - that the relocation officer was looking for homes for people as 4 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you.
far away as Albany. I don't think that it is any way logical that 5 MR. KENNON: In the first place, I think that there could have 5 people in the Russell City area who have to work in this area are been a better plan adopted for Russell City. I used to work in going to be shunted 'way over to another county, practically Oakland on the Urban Renewal Department, and usually when plans speaking. 8 Iike this are taken up for redevelopment they are done with 8 Secondly, there is another point which is involved -that is, 9 Federal assistance - this helps to remove a lot of expense from that under the federal plan the people have a chance to say what 10 the County. 10
will happen to them. There has to be what is known as a workable 11 If this plan is taken up purely by County participation, as is plan, there has to be a community participation. None of that is 12 considered for Russell City here, the entire burden is going to 12 being given to the people under this Russell City plan. 13 fall on the people of all Alameda County. I think if there is any 15 Now, this comes to the question as to why is this not being 14 chance for extra funds to come in from the Federal Government - and 14 given. I'd Ilke to point out the fact that in this area, in 15 they are large funds - that the taxpayers of Alameda County do 15 Russell City, that there is a considerable number of minority race 16 deserve to have that help with Russell City. 16
people, Latin and Negro people. Now, this area - Let's call the 17 Secondly, in connection with this plan I'd like to point out 17 shots like they are - the Hayward area is one of the most racially 18 this fact, that there are guarantees, at least two specific guaran- 18 segregated areas on housing in the United States of America. Now, 19 tees, that come to the people on the federal plan which do not come 18 that is a fact (applause). 20 under the plan which is adopted for Russell City. These guarantees CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just a minute, please.
21 would be for the betterment of the people, they would give them 21 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Well, it's faot. He's telling facts. It's 22 additional privileges and extra protection. One point is that if 22 true, but it's facts.
25 - If Jou have a federal plan there is a stipulation that the people 28 MR, KENNON: Now, how do these peoplé happen to be in Russell 24 must be relocated within the neighborhood in which they are 24 City in the first place? Now, if we go back in the history in this 35 presently residing or own property. This is usually taken to be, 25 area we will find that most of the people in Russell City are 26 say, within one half an hourts driving distance. 26 immigrants during the wartime to this region. They came here - I'm
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not only talking about colored people now, or latin Americans - I 1 Now, as a property owner in this region I would say this: Any 2 am talking about white people, too. When they came to this area industrialist that wants to come to me and pay me an industrial 3 they found a great deal of conservatism, they weren't wanted in price for my property is able to have that property now. But, on 4 separated regions, the housing was short - Russell City was one of 4 the other hand, if we take up this plan the people are paid low 5 the areas where they could go to get a home.
5 money, they are forced to go away and try to get homes with not 6 Now, these people have sweated it out in this region. There 6 enough money to buy in a new region. This is creating partiality. have been attempts on the part of these people time after time to Now, let the people stay where they are. Have some considera- get services in to this area. I myself organized a Community B tion for the people. I may say this, further, that as a colored 9 Service District with these people and they worked along 100% to 9 man there is widespread interest among the colored groups as to 10 have this put in. Now, the Board of Supervisors was the group that 10 what is happening in Russell City. Now, we have powerful organi- 11 broke that Community Services District in two, so it was impossible 11 zations that think that too many black people are losing too much 12 at that time for the services to come down West Winton Avenue to 12 property too cheap in this area.
13 Russell City. That is a fact, it's in the record.
13 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Amen.
14 Now, it happens that in this region, as of this time, all the MR. KENNON: Now, this is just the way it is. Now, we have 15 area surrounding Russell City have developed on a very beautiful :15 organizations that are tying up people on the national level. 16 pattern, and if the people were left for a season or so the facts 16 Those people and those organizations - I am going to say this, that 17 and development in this area are that the industrialists, or who- 17 there are those of us that intend to not let this thing go down 18 ever is going to get this property in the end, would have to pay 18 the drain easily. If the Board of Supervisors will consider well 19 for that property at a fair market commercial price - not a low 10 protecting the civil rights of the colored mission - of the 20 zone price now for a few hundred dollars and up, when a thousand 20 colored people in this case, I think it would be for the best 21 dollars and five hundred dollars now and then a year or so later 21 interests of these people - it would be for the best interests of 22 see that same property sold for five or ten thousand dollars. 22 the Board of Supervisors in this area.
23 This whole plan should be dropped, because it is being taken 28 There are politicians sitting in this room that are living in 24 on the basis of what is good for industrialists. It's not being 24 towns where they have a very heavy colored vote, and I think that 25 taken up on what is good for the people in this region. I think 25 they should consider well that the people are not going to take. 26 that the primary consideration is for the people.
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objections (applause).
2 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you very much. Mr. Herron, would you CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Please, Let's try and be courteous to every- 4 care to comment for the record on that statement?
body and everybody will have an opportunity to speak that wishes 5 4 MR. HERRON: I think the members of the Redevelopment to speak that falls in any of these categories, but, please, let's Agency 5 have on several occasions when sitting as members of the Board of maintain an
orderly procedure and please don't applaud, no matter
7 who is the speaker. Thank you very much. Mr. Davis, would you Supervisors received the reports of the technical advisory com- 7 mittee which dealt with the comparison between proceeding with care to comment on the statements of the last speaker for the 8 this under federal participation and under our own system. record?
10 MR. DAVIS: For the record, sir - is this mike on? I disagree strongly with Mr. Kennon that there is any free 11 10 money of federal funds of any type whatsoever. Actually, to carry MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: No.
12 11 out this program under the federal requirements would have cost us MR. DAVIS: Is this mike on?
15 12 somewhere in the neighborhood of $5,000,000 - a large part is not CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Yes.
14 13 for payments to people on the land but for expensive public im- MR. DAVIS: For the record, sir, on the public meeting held in 16 14 provements, the expenses which must be borne by the agency. the Russell City School some two or three months ago it was stated 16 15 Now, insofar as the effect of a so-called workable program is in answer to a question "Where was relocation housing being sought? 17 16 concerned, this program obligates nobody, except in the sense of The answer was "within all of Alameda County." Naturally, this did 18 17 satisfying the Federal Government that the basic government or mean Albany to the north, but certainly Livermore to the south, 19 18 local public agency is sound, and I don't think in the county of and all of the areas that contain Alameda County. It did not mean 20 18 Alameda we have to make up any program to convince the Federal that any person would be specifically placed in Albany if he 21 20 Government of that; in the second place - or, rather, succeeding, didn't wish to go. On that point, sir, I think that, as a County 82 21 insofar as the price of land is
Agency, the law enables such an agency to look for relocation concerned, I will point out to Mr. 23 22 Kennon that the appraisal procedures for the purchase of lands in housing within the area in which it has jurisdiction over - that 24 23
accounts for the differences between a city holding itis reloca- Russell City is identical with that carried out under the federal 25 24 plan.
tion housing seeking to the city boundarles, differentiating 25 26 between the city and the county. I think those are the two points CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you very much. Next speaker that 26 wishes to address this Board?
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HIAWATHA IRVING 1 aro, back in 1956, I believe - I'm one who asked the Board of 2 sworn as a witness by the
lerk, testified as follows: 2 Directors to consider Russell City being a residential area, for I know the struggle that the people had gone through. I know one THE CLERK: Your name and address? family who attempt to buy property elsewhere, but they told them 5 REV. IRVING: I am Hiawatha Irving, Pastor of the First Baptist 5 that Russell City was where they belong - that man is in the 6 Church in Russell City.
6 building tonight, and he built a home in Russell City, as well as 7 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Could I ask you, sir, welre - pardon me one 7 the others, I'm sure, with the permit that was given to him by the 8 moment, wetre trying to follow along the procedure set forth on 8 - whosoever give them, and today he's living in a blighted area. the agenda, and --
9 I also heard mention on last week the - I think the Assistant 10 REV. IRVING: I have property there.
10 Director of the Board of Health of Russell City mentioned the CHAIRMAN PURSEL: - we are now in the category of hearing 11 condition of Russell City and since I've been working in the area 12 persons who own property in the project but live outside the area. 12 of Russell. City they have - the Board of Education rented the 15 REV. IRVING: And I own property there.
13 church which we now own as a kindergarten school, and again I 14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: And you live outside the area?
14 thought, again, about the many trees that were - apricot trees, that 15 REV. IRVING: I live in Oakland, 1366 34th Street. 15 were along. the area, while people were andeavoring to seek housing 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you, sir.
16 or to better their housing, or to build houses, there were fruit 17 REV. IRVING: I own property, I think it is 105 feet, on the 17 trees which were purchased and many projects - or, many houses, 18 street they call Casper, I think it 1s. I also own a lot 25, I 18 have been built. 19 believe, by 125 on Louisiana Street, which I guess is about four 19 The question in my mind is - why did not the Board of Super- 20 or five lots, I don't know just how it is - but, anyway, for the 20 visors, or whosoever as I have forestated give the permits, give 21 Last 15 years I've been working approximately in Russell City, and 21 the people an opportunity as they were bullding around the area of 22 the question was in my mind as I heard the condition of Russell 22 Russell City? Now, Russell City, in plain - in plain words, I City, I know it to be - why is it? Ihe answer that came to me 25 believe, is condemned. 24 tells me that any area where people are not allowed to improve 24 And I heard it mentioned about a fair price. Does condemned 28 their property will go down. 26
Land have any market value? I'd Itke to direct that question to 26 The second question in my mind I think was mentioned some years 26 anyone who will answer it.
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1 segregate against the housing. But I would like to say also, as 2 MR. HERRON: Reverend, the land is not condemned, sir. 2 long as the world stand, as long as people feel that they don't REV. IRVING: I see. Oh, I see. The land is not condemned, 3 want you in their neighborhood, I'm one person that don't want to but the ..
4 be there.
5 MR. HERRON: There are - there are a few structures on the land 5 So this is more than just relocating people. This is
people
6 which are posted against human occupancy.
6 who have spent their lives for their homes, what they call home.
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: But no land has been condemned?
7 This is people who have sacrificed all that they - some of them 8 MR. HERRON: That's correct, sir.
8 will never get another home. And if you move them out, you will 9 REV. IRVING: I also heard
it said that any sound dwelling in 9 destroy them for all that they ever had. 10 that area would be as a blighted area, so I was under the impres- 10 I'm asking again, as I said, give this - I'm speaking, I sion that the land also was considered as being condemned. 11 believe, for several of the members of - of the people that live 12 Again I would like to make this statement - I asked the Board 12 in Russell City, to give these people a chance, and they will show 13 of Supervisors in Oakland one day in a meeting to consider the - 13 you. I"ll build homes. I have enough land to build a apartment 14 to give the people of Russell City a chance, and they would im- 14 louse, or possibly a dwelling unit. If the people are given that, 15 prove their properties. That has been many years ago. They would 15 a chance, they would have been -they wouldn't have been in the 16 improve the living conditions in Russell City. I know them. I 16 condition that they are in, because I would have stood in my pulpit 27 work with them. I pastor them. But we were failed to be con- as I've stood already and advised them to clean up around your 18 sidered.
houses - and I can name many - I've seen the pictures here of 19 The next question is, I heard the Redevelopment - or, Felo- 19 that - that were taken, and I can name - why didn't they go down 20 cation Agency, I guess it must have been, a member of It, saying 20 and take Buster Brooks' house, why didn't they take Austin Wigfall"; 21 that from Livermore to - well, all over Alameda County they're house, why didn't they take Prior's house, a picture of it, why 82 going to redevelop • I happen to be in the ministerial associa- 22 didn't they take Leona Alvinson's, a picture of her house, why 253 tion here of Hayward, of which I have been a member of, and I heard 23 didn't they take a picture of Andy Gillette's house, why didn't 24 this plea made, asking the ministers of the area about the - being 24 they take a picture of the late Fred Bigham's house - It's many 85 courteous and making possible plans of helping the people, ad- 25 houses there that would - would not cast such a reflection on 26 vising their people for - to not be segregated against - not 26 Russell City. I know. I know all the good houses out there, and ROBERT B. MANNERS, ES R
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I know the shacks and shanties, I know the people that live there. 1. in under special assessment district proceedings.
I have worked in that area almost 15 years. MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: That is not so, sir. That is not. so. That 2 And may I say that I have property there, I'm buying property is not so. there. I bought it when you redevelop this thing - I'm going to 4 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just a minute. Finish, Mr. Herron. 5 sit down in just a minute - I bought property there when you zoned 5 MR. HERRON: Io provide adequate sewers and water now would 6 this as a redevelopment - as a industrial land. I hold a license cost in excess of $600,000, Who would pay the $600,000? with the State, as well - I can also build an industry and operate 7 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you, Mr. Herron. Anybody else who it. I have a license from the State. I'm a small businessman as 8 wishes to speak at this time, who owns property within the project well as a minister, and I bought the property that I felt that area but does not live there? 10 would supply my need that I could give somebody a job, that I could 10 SUPERVISOR HANNON: I would like to ask both Mr. Kennon and 11 help somebody earn a living. But now they tell me that I have to 11 Mr. Irving a few questions. This is a hearing, I'm trying to 12 sell it. 12 acquire information here, and I ask them sincerely so I can arrive 13 Thank you. I hope you consider that. 13 at an opinion. The first question - you know the area well- 14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you, Reverend. Mr. Herron. would you 14 MR. KENNON: Yes, sir. 16 care to make any comments? 15 SUPERVISOR HANNON: -- do you consider in your opinion it is 16 MR. HERRON: One thing, sir. There has been repetition in all 16 a blightened area? 17 of these public meetings and hearings of the proposal to "let the 17 MR. KENNON: The area is in an area - first, I think the 18 people build on the land, they'll take care of everything." There 18 County Officers have pointed out that there is nothing that can be 19 are 209 parcels of the 594 that are owned by resident owners; the 19 called Russell City Area; now, there have been various people here 20 greater proportion of parcels are owned by non-resident owners, 20 have pointed out that on one count - say, for instance, their 81 many of whom have no interest in the area. I think both Mr. 81 property cannot be blighted because there is nothing on there - 22 Kennon and The Reverend Irving have made reference to the Russell 22 "My property cannot be blighted because there is nothing on there." 28 City Community Services District. Why this failed completely I 23 Most of the property in Russell City there is nothing on, so that 24 don't know of my own personal knowledge, but certainly one very 24 property cannot be blighted - no matter what the experts say here, 25 It's not possible for vacant property to be blighted. Now, I 25 strong element of failure in there was the failure of the owners to back up the process which would have brought sewers and water 26 would say that, as the good reverend has pointed out, that there 26 ROBERT B. MANNERS, C 8 R RODERT E. MANNERS, DO R
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1 are many structures there that are in good condition and, curiously SUPERVISOR HANNON: I assume that is the way it will work. enough, we never see pictures of those properties which are in good MR. KENNON: Is that what you mean? 2 condition. There are a number of structures which are in bad 3 SUPERVISOR HANNON: You and the Redevelopment Agency, I assume, 4 condition, but why are they in bad condition? The fact is that 4 would sell your property jointly to the industrial developer. 5 there are no permits allowed to bring them up into good condition. 5 MR. HERRON: No, sir. This is not "participation, " in the 6 That happens to be the fact. 6 sense of the sale. Ovner participation in a redevelopment project Now, with respect to this gentleman's remark that - 7 consists of the owner developing his property, either by the CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Excuse me one minute, Mr. Kennon. I think 8 addition of - as I mentioned before, either by altering, extending, the question was -- or expanding his existing business or structure on the land, or 10 SUPERVISOR HANNON: I think he has satisfactorily answered it. 10 demolishing an old one and constructing a new one to the new pur- 11 I know myself. I have been down there. Some are not blighted. 11 poses. It is not a sale participation basis. 12 There is one other question: Would you be willing to partici- 12 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Is sale participation precluded by the Act? 13 pate with the Redevelopment Agency in redeveloping the area? 13 MR. HERRON: Yes, sir. All land must be held by the Agency, in 14 MR. KENNON: In what way? 14 fee.
15 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Well, as I understand it, under the 16 MR. KENNON: Then your answer is that you would -- 16 enabling legislation the Redevelopment Agency can participate with 16 MR. LEWIS: Just a moment. May I interrupt just a moment? If 17 the owners in redeveloping it. As I understand it, this is 17 Mr. Hannon's question was "Does the enabling act mention anything 18 industrial - excuse me, excuse me, let me ask Mr. Herron: Is 18 in regard to this type of plan, as far as owner participation?" - 19 that - is that participation redevelopment - would that be 19 it does not. 20 participation in industrial redevelopment? 20 I think what Mr. Herron has meant is that under our plan as we 21 MR. HERRON: Yes, siro 21 have developed it, the staff plan as presented to this Board, the 22 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Mr. Kennon, would you be willing to parti- 22 plan does not call for participation, because of the opinion of 23 cipate with the Redevelopment Agency in industrial redevelopment 23 the - the staff drawing the plan It was impossible under the cir- 24 of the area? 24 cumstances to make it work. Does that answer your question? 25 MR. KENNON: On what basis, sir? That this is my property and 25 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Not entirely. Doesn't the State enabling 26 they hring an industrialist to me to buy it from me? 26 legislation make provisions for - perhaps in a general sort of BERT B. MANNERS, O E ROBERT B. MANNERD, DE R
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1 way, doesn't it make provision for owner participation in redevel- 1 for it and it's necessary to execute it by having the agency ac- 2 opment?
2 quire the land, either by condemnation or acquisition, one way or 3 MR. LEWIS: There is a section which has been interpreted by the other, then of course it Is neçessary for title to vest in the 4 the courts to provide permissively for participation by owners. agency - it must necessarily do so. 4 5 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Now, under this particular section, or - SUPERVISOR HANNON: Mr. Kennon - I'm not trying to interrupt 6 which has been so interpreted, there is nothing in that to preclude you, but I asked you, as I understand it - perhaps I will ask it an owner participation in the sense of sale, or is there? again: Would you be willing to participate with the Redevelopment 8 MR. LEWIS: There is nothing specifically mentioned in this 8 Agency in the industrial development of your property? section. All it says is that the plan may provide for owner MR. KENNON: Well, sir, if the agency had a plan that would 10 participation.
10 allow me the maximum opportunity to participate. This is one of 11 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Does the enabling legislation require the 11 my objections to this plan, because it allows nothing except the 12 title of the land to vest in the redevelopment agency? 12 property - that the property be taken from the people and sold to 13 MR. LEWIS: If the plan provides for condemnation, it does. 18 the Redevelopment Agency. I'm saying this is one of the reasons 14 And if it's necessary to - to promote the purposes of the plan by 14 why this is a bad plan.
15 acquisition of the land, yes, then the land must vest in the County, 15 Now, there are areas, even under the present setup, where other 16 whion is the situation here, Mr. Hannon.
16 things could be done to give the people more of a chance - tor 17 SUPERVISOR HANNON: I want to separate the state laws from the instance, I am a general building contractor, I am a promoter of 18 policies arrived at by the staff, or the redevelopment agency. So 18 these type of things. Now, I qualify as an industrialist. I have 19 far as the state law is concerned you could have owner participa- property. Under this plan the only thing that there is for me and *20 tion, in the sense of --
20 people in my category who presently own the property is for this 21 MR. LEWIS: You could have owner participation in any plan if Agency to take the property and to sell it to some other indus- 22 it provides for it, under the law.
22 trialists - at an inflated price, when they have only paid me a low 25 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Under the state Law It 1s not necessary 28 price for this. 24 that the title vest in the redevelopment agency.
24 25 MR. LEWIS: It is not, per se, necessary for the title to vest 25 there are other items which are too restrictive about the plan - 26 in the agency, if the plan does not call for it. If the plan calls 26 despite what they say against the Federal Government, it is a fact BBERT 5, MANNERS, 0 B
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1 that there are Federal funds available and that under the federal 1 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Well, I understand the participation would 2 plan there is a chance for owner participation. As a matter of 2 have to be in the sense of industrial development under the exis- 3 fact, this is one of the conditions of the federal plan. ting state law. Would you be willing to participate for industrial 4 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Do you have any further questions? development, rather than any other? 5 SUPERVISOR HANNON: I might ask Reverend Irving the same two REV. IRVING: I would rather not. 6 questions I asked him. 6 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Thank you very much. 7 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Reverend, would you mind coming up? CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. Thank you. May I ask a question 8 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Reverend, the first question I had was - 8 of Mr. Lewis, if you would briefly comnent, Mr. Lewis, on the 9 do you consider the area as a whole to be blighted? proposed plan as to whether or not this plan contemplates or in any 10 REV. IRVING: On the area a whole, there are some good way provides for an opportunity for owner participation? 11 residences there, there are - as I pointed out a lew minutes ago, 11 MR. LEWIS: No, Mr. Chairman, I might add that the comments 12 that there is one resident, or several that I could name, that are 12 that were previously made in regard to participation, as set forth 13 as good - Austin Wigfall has a residence as good as anybody's, 18 in the federal program - I cannot state to my knowledge what the 14 inside and outside. 14 federal law is on this; however, I am Lead to believe by the cases 15 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I think we are familiar with that. We know 15 I have examined, annotated in our California law, the Cormunity 16 that, Reverend. 16 Redevelopment Act, that the federal plan does not provide neces- 17 REV. IRVING: You know, don't you. Mr. Brooks has a residence-. 17 sarily in all cases as a mandatory requirement that there be owner 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Yes, yes. 18 participation. For example, in Fellom vs. The Redevelopment Agency, 18 SUPERVISOR HANNON: Perhaps, Reverend, you misunderstood my 19 157 CA2d 243, which was a case arising out of the San Francisco 20 question - the two questions I have. Perhaps I could ask the 20 redevelopment program over there, which, as I understand, was 21 second one! Would you, as an owner in the area, be willing to 21 federally assisted, the court, in construing the law, California 22 participate in an owner-redevelopment agency joint project - in 22 law, which is substantially similar to that which has been enacted 23 other words, owner participation in redeveloping the area? Would 25 by Congress, held that the sections involved, and I'm speaking 24 you, as an owner, be willing to participate with that? 24 specifically of 33701 and 33702 of the Health & Safety Code, do not 25 REV. IRVING: I would be willing to participate to - that require participation as a mandatory requisite. 26 depends to what extent. 26 Now, then, we get further into the problem involved. I do not OBERT B, MANNERS, BE F ROBERT B. MANNERS, CER
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know the specific conditions, as far as title of any particular 1 within the project, and perhaps it might facilitate your questions 2 piece of property, but I have heard - it is my understanding, that if you directed a question to the - one of the members of our staff. many of these properties have problems with titles. Now, in considering P. E. PARENI
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4 agreed to participate but could not grant clear title to any worn as a witness by thi 5 5 lerk, testified as follows
6 purchaser, if the land were to be acquired? This would mean that THE CLERK: Your name and address? 6 7 there would have to be quiet title, it would have to be brought by MRo PARENT: The name is P. E. Parent, I'm representing my the landowner at his expense - there are a number of different 8 wife, who resides at 650 East 17th Street, Oakland 6, California. 9 factors that I'm sure have not been considered by some of the Mr. Chairman, since my question will depend on the clarifica- 10 persons speaking this evening, insofar as why or why not the plan 10 tion of various paragraphs and sections of your plan I think I need 11 should require participation. 11 more than three minutes - however, I'll try to confine myself 12 I can state that it is the feeling of the staff, and I'm 18 within the three minutes. I believe, since this report here needs 18 speaking as counsel for them, that owner participation is not 15 a lot of clarification, I should be given time enough to phrase 14 feasible under the circumstances. 14 my question after you have explained the terms that need to be 15 I'd like to add that if participation is a desirable part of 15 clarified. 16 the plan, that the law does in that case provide it must be 16 Mr. Chairman and Members of the Agency, I'm not here to ques- 17 reasonable - that is, it cannot be given to some and denied to 17 tion your integrity, your honesty, nor the veracity of your 18 others. So, with that I will end. 18 reports, the Agency's report, nor the Grand Jury report. However, 19 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I think that will suffice. Thank you very 19 there are many of us here willing to concede that this particular 20 much, Mr. Lewis. 20 area is a blight area, but the responsibility for its blight and 21 May I just, before the next speaker makes his presentation, its worsened condition over the period of years could be laid at 22 remind those who are waiting for their turn to address the Rede- 22 whose door? That is an open question. 23 velopment Agency that we have asked that you limit your remarks, 23 In view of the fact of the many restrictions that were placed 24 If you will, not to exceed three minutes, and that if you will 24 on the property owners regarding making improvements on existing 25 limit your remarks - make them pointed to your specific reasons 25 bulldings in this area, or even getting permits to build new 26 why your particular property should or should not be included 26 homes - now the plight of this here area may be due to its location OBERT B. MANNERS, C $ R ROBERT B. MANNERS, O 8 R
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Ion one factor, since it lies in an area bounded by a railroad on 1 MR. PARENT: All right. Okay. Well, that is clarified. one side and a private dump on one end, and a hog farm on the MR. LEWIS: Further, now, if any land is acquired - if condem- other. Well, weill think about that, that's the question, regarding nation has not been used and the title is clouded it would be 4 the plight of this area.
4 necessary for the Agency thereafter to file a quiet title action to 5 Now, turning to page 7, under section C, number 2, "The Rede- 5 clear any of the clouds from the title, to be borne at Agency 6 velopment of all lands within the project area is necessary to ef- expense.
7 fect the purposes of the Redevelopment Plan. Io this end the CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Question No. 2 coming up.
exercise of eminent domain by the Agency to acquire properties MR. PARENT: Now, the second paragraph under the same No. 2, which owners either will not sell to the Agency or cannot partici- 9 Section C ~ "Should it be necessary for the Agency to acquire 10 pate in the Redevelopment thereof..." Now, since I would dare say 10 property by condemnation,.." all of such property should be paid 11 that 99% - 99-44/100ths of us here are not a member of the Cali- 11 the fair market value of said property as required by law. Now, 12 fornia Bar Association, I would like you to clarify these legal 12 here's the clause, "Further, no action to acquire by condemnation 13 terminologies.
13 shall be initiated by the Agency unless there are funds adequate 14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: What specific question do you have? for and committed to the purpose." Now, in the interim what agency 15 MR. PARENT: I'm coming to them. There are several. "-- or 15 or authority will administer our account and transfer properties as 16 where such action is necessary to clear clouded titles, is con- read into the plan?
sidered essential to execution of the plan." Now, who will pay, 17 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Specifically your question is directed to 18 inasmuch as you ask us to relinquish our rights, turn our property 18 Mr. Lewis? Go ahead.
19 over to your for administration, we will no longer have the right 19 MR. PARENT: It says, "Further, no action to acquire by con- 20 to administer it - who will pay the costs of clearing these titles? 20 demnation shall be initiated by the Agency, unless there are funds 21 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. If I may, that is Question No. I. 21 adequate for and connitted to the purpose." Now, in the interim 22 Mr. Iewis, would you answer that question?
22 - that is, in the time between you getting the funds to acquire 25 MR. LEWIS: The answer to this question is that if it's neces- 25 property and the time that the property is disposed of - what 84 sary to condemn property the title will be cleared in that action, 24 agency, or - what agency or authority will administer or account 25 the judgment will be granted by the court. The Agency will bear 28 in transfer of property entered in the plan?
26 the expense of the condemnation action.
26 MR. LEWIS: I think I can say to this question: This section ROBERT B. MANNERE, C9 R
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1 provides that eminent domain or condemnation will not be authorized 1 MR. HERRON: Once the title passes to the Agency, sir, all until the Agency has budgeted - that is, funds earmarked - for the responsibility is on the Agency, the owner is relieved. 3 acquisition of any particular property or properties. In the CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. 4 eminent domain law immediate possession is not provided for in 4 MR. PARENT: In other words, the property owners will have to 5 redevelopment projects; therefore, if eminent domain Is commenced, 5 assume the additional taxes or assessment for the improvements. 6 pending judgment by the court there is no taking of title and the you shall make? 7 landowner is free to do with his property as he wishes to. Of MR. HERRON: No, sir. None at all. 8 course, on the filing of an eminent domain action there is what 8 MR. PARENT: Okay. 9 lawyers call a "lis pendens" action, or pleading, which is filed CHAIRMAN PURSEL: If you have any more questions, Mr. Parent - 10 with the Recorder, which contains a description of the property 10 we are going to have to move along, If you don't mind. 11 subject to the lawsuit. 11 MR. PARENT: Well, I know, but this plan should be explained, 12 Now, any person who acquires a property pending that time 18 you know, so that a layman can understand it. 13 kriows that there is a lawsuit pending to acquire it. But I think 13 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: We appreciate that. If you will recall, at 14 in specific answer - until the property is acquired the owner of it 14 the first meeting we went over the plan in very great detail = 18 nau curtrol over it and remains in possession If he wants to, and 15 but, go ahead, if you have any specific questions. I just urge you 16 achenwise has all the - the requisites of a landowner. 16 If you will to hurry as fast as you can. 17 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Next question, Mr. Parent? Go ahead. 17 MR. PARENT: Now, under Section D, Public Improvements, under 18 MR, PARENT: Yes, No. 3, on the same section - "All properties 18 "General" - "In general, the kind and extent of improvements to be 19 acquired in the project area will be managed by the Agency until 19 constructed or installed at public expense as part of this plan 30 the land is disposed of. Once vacated by bona-fide owners or 20 will be limited to that necessary to provide essential basic 21 tenants..." - and etcetera. 21 services to the project area." I don't know just to what extent 22 Now, my question is this: During the period of time the 22 you are going to make basic services. 23 Agency acquires the property and until the property is disposed of, 23 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Would you answer that, Mr. Herron? 24 will present owner pay taxes and/or assessments on property? Im- 24 MR. HERRON: A basic service -- 25 provements made by the Redevelopment Agency? 25 MR. PARENT: And who pays? 26 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Herron, will you answer that? 26 MR. HERRON: A basic service makes available only what you ROBERT B. MANNERS, D A R DBERT B. MANNERE, O G R
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might call a connection point, the water and the sewer - from that Alameda, out of its special road improvement fund, will improve 1 on, insofar as any service within the area is concerned, none West Winton Avenue within those limits. 2 point
will be provided at public expense. At the present time the City CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. Go ahead, Mr. Parent. You have of Hayward has agreed, and a legal agreement is in process, to bear had about eight - eight and a half minutes, now. 4 the expense of extending the water main in West Winton Avenue and 5 MR. PARENT: Now, under the same section, Number 4-A, "As shown 5 of bringing a sanitary sewer interceptor only to or within the 6 on Other Public Improvemts Plan, Exhibit III, it is proposed to project limits, at City expense. 7 bring a sanitary sewer interceptor line fromthe sewage treatment CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. 8 plant of the City of Hayward, lying southerly and easterly from MR. PARENT: Now, another - under 2, Public Road Improvements, the project area, to or within the project area boundaries." You 9 "As shown on the Public Road Plan, Exhibit Il, it is proposed to 10 have explained that. Now, B, Domestic Water Supply -- 10 improve West Winton Avenue from Clawiter Road westerly through the 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Could I make a suggestion - pardon me, Mr. 11 project area. The improvement will consist of reconstruction with- 12 Parent, if you will, just a minute. I think it would be appropriate 12 in the existing right of way lines to provide a transverse sec- 13 at this time, in view of the fact that we have a reporter here who 13 14 tion adequate for industrial traffic, and a widened travelled way. 14 is taking everything that is said verbatim for the record " per- This is a county road, and the improvement will be carried out by 15 haps it would be appropriate if we give him a rest. So we will 15 ¿he county of Alameda as a non-cash grant-in-aid project." 16 declare a recess now. 16 Gentlemen, this is beyond my understanding, comprehension - 17 May I suggest, Mr. Parent, that during the interim, during the 17 understanding. I donit know what the hell - pardon the language -- 18 recess, that you ask any of these questions of the staff - I'm 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Herron? 19 sure they will be able to answer any of them. 19 20 MR. PARENT: —- a non-cash grant-in-aid project is. 20 MR. PARENT: Well, maybe others present would like to have CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Herron? Go ahead, will you answer the 21 this answered, too. 21 22 question? 22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Well, I would appreciate it if you would ask MR. HERRON: Aids to a redevelopment project may be in two 23 some of these questions of the staff during the recess, and then. 23 granted for any purpose whatsoever, or a non-cas! 24 we will take up the meeting after that, if that is all right. 24 forms; either cash
grant-in-aid, which is, simply, the providing of a service or a 25 Weill recess, then, for five minutes. 25 facility by another governmental body. In this case, the County of 26 (SHORT RECESS) 26 ROBERT 9, MANNERS, DO R
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1 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Will you all be seated, please. All of those 1 - in the legend as a sound structure. He has a septic tank. He 2 in the aisle, will you please take your seats. Are the members of 2 has the plumbing installed in the home and so on. It is a good the staff ready to continue the hearing? If you will all take your 3 rental unit. He has put time and money in on it, and this is his 4 seats we will continue. 4 own form of social security. 5 Now, I believe Mr. Parent had his questions answered by members 5 He has a vacant lot he would like to improve himself. He is 6 of the staff during the recess. Now, who is the next speaker that 6 not a young man and he would like to improve this property as he owns property within the project area, that live outside of the sees fit, and I'd Iike to call Mr. Johnson forth - I think herd 8 project area, that wish to address the Redevelopment Agency at this 8 like to say a few words. time?
JOSEPH JOHNSON
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18 12 THE CLERK: Your full name and address?
18 MR. GROVE: My name is Alan Grove, I'm an attorney with offices 13 MR. JOHNSON: Joseph Johnson, 686 - 33rd Street, Oakland. I 14 at 225 West Winton Avenue in Hayward, and I represent Mr, and Mrs. 14 would like to try to explain something to the committeer 15 Joseph Johnson - they live outside of the area, but own a home at 16 I bought that property in 1942. I bought the first piece of 16 2077 West Winton Avenue, and they also own an unimproved lot. 16 property in 1942, and when I bought it I intend to build a home on 17 MR. HERRON: That is this parcel (indicating). 17 it. So I went and - I had me some new plans made up on the home 18 MR. GROVE: And they also own an unimproved lot at the top of 18 and I taken it to the Board of Health Department, and I talked to 19 Pestdorf Lane, Just inside the boundary line. 19
Mr. Jaurez. He came out to the property and they had me to dig two 20 MR. HERRON: Ihis is the upper end of Pestdorf Lane (Indicating) 20 or three holes around, about two feet deep; then he came back about 81 MR. GROVE: Just inside the boundary. The two points that Mr. 21 two or three days later and then he told me that I couldn't build 88 Johnson would like to make are, one, he feels that this particular on this piece of property. And I asked him why; he said because I 88 Jog at the top and right of the plan should be excluded, and, 23 couldn't put a septic tank down there. secondly, he feels that he should be allowed to improve this him- 24 So I didn't argue with him. Later on I found out that the 88 self, and that he regards this as investment property. 85 property on Winton Street was for sale. It had a septic tank, a 86 He is not a young man. He has a good home; it's listed on the good septic tank, and it had water and everything in it. Ihen I NONERT D. MANNERA, O B K ROBERT D. MANNERS, CB R
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went back to Mr. Jaurez, brought him out to this property and 1 onliest thing lacking is sewage and water. 2 showed him this house. Then he told me - I told him I was figuring CHAIRMAN PURSEL: In other words, you'd like to have that 3 on buying It. He said, "Well, say, if you buy it," he said, "the question answered? 4 septic tank and everything, jou can go ahead and make the improve- 4 MR. JOHNSON: That is right. 5 ment." 5 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: A11 right. Mr. Carlson, would you answer This is the thing that bothers me. I did go to the County and 6 that question - or, Mr. Carlson, does that -- get pernits to improve this property, and I spent quite a bit of MR. CARISON: No, that is -- 8 money on that property. The first thing I did there, I put a - I CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Or, Mr. Herron? tore the roof off of that house completely, I put a new roof on MR. HERRON: Sir, the minimum parcel, acceptable parcel, on 10 It. The next thing I did, I had the house raised up and I put a 10 which industrial development can take place is one half acre - 11 concrete foundation around it. Then I had the house stuccoed on 11 neither of Mr. Johnson's parcels are one half acre or larger. 12 the outside. And then the Building Inspector came down and told 12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. Did you have another question? 13 me I had to put 220 in - I put 220 in the house. And I plaster the 15 MR. JOHNSON: I have one more question. 14 house on the inside. Now, the money I spent for that property - CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. 15 I paid down that property, I was fortunate I could borrow it; the 16 MR. JOHNSON: The money that I can prove that I put in this 16 moner do pay down on cash. The money I paid on that property I 16 property, I want to know can I get it out? That is the first one. 17 could have bought property anywhere in Oakland, if they would have 17 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: A11 right. Mr. Lewis, I presume that is a 18 sold it to me. But I like the place. I like the location. In 18 proper question for you. 19 fact, I lived down there for around two years, and the onliest 19 MR. LEWIS: Well, if I were you I'd hope so. 20 reason we moved, on account of I had sickness in my family and I 80 MR. JOHNSON: I sure do hope
90. 21 had to move back to Oakland. 81 MR. LEWIS: I don't mean to be laughing about that, but the 22 And the thing that really puzzles me - why that I can't finish 22 orly answer I can give you, not having gone over the property and 23 developing my property? I wait around 13 years for them to put 23 not having an appraisal of it, is that I assume that you don't . 24 sewers out in the street - that is what I've been waiting for. 84 develop a piece of property over - well, you don't build a hotel 25 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Your question is, why you canst -- on a piece of property that isn't suited for a hotel. 26 MR. JOHNSON: Why that I can't develop my own property? The 66 MR. JOHNSON: Uh-huh.
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MR. LEWIS: The only thing, you'd have to figure up how much 1 - and you are asking us to consider excluding your property -- 2 you put into the house, how much you paid for the land, and then MR. JOHNSON: That is right. figure out on that basis whether or not the land could be sold to CHAIRMAN PURSEL: -- from the boundaries of the project? 4 somebody else for that price. Now, if you could go out and sell MR. JOHNSON: Yes. Thank you very much. 5 it to somebody else for the amount of money that you get into - that 5 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Who else wishes to speak, who owns property 6 you got for it, then it's pretty certain that an appraiser is going 6 within the project area but who lives within the county? (No to come to just about the same figure. But if you couldn't sell it response) I take it, then, that we - all of those who are in that 8 to somebody for the amount that - the amount that - a willing buyer 8 category have had their opportunity to speak before the Alameda was coming around, let's presume, and you couldn't sell it to him County Redevelopment Agency. 10 for the amount that you put into it, then it might be that an ap- So, with that we'll proceed on to the next category. The next 11 praiser would find that you had overdeveloped the property for the 11 category, those people who live within but do not own property in 12 price you could get out of it. That is the only way I can honestly 18 the proposed project area. I'd ask all of those, any of those, who 13 answer the question. 13 fall in that category and wish to address the Agency to step for- 14 MR, JOHNSON: Well, just one other thing -- 14 ward and present yourselves before the microphone at this time - 15 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right, Mr. Johnson. 15 and I would also encourage you, if you will, the hour in gertian a 16 ile JOHNSON: They did let me have a building permit and ap- 16 little late, to 1imit your remarks, If you will, please, to not co 17 proval of this property, to have that and put this property in 17 exceed three minutes, and direct any question that you have to one 18 first-class condition. I don't think it is right. I don't think 18 of the experts that make up our staff. Yes, sir? 19 It is right, but the State is going to condemn this property. Theri MR. FELICIANO: I live in the area. 20 is nothing wrong but sewage, and I waited around 14 years for sewagi 20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: That's right. 21 and I'm able to put sewage in my property whenever I have to do it, 21 MR. FELICIANO: And I don't own any property. I live with my 22 and I have more than - I have a piece there, it is 36 by 65; there mother. 23 is another piece there 100 by 210, and I appreciate it very much if 28 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Okay. You addressed the Board at the last. 24 this committee will go on record to exclude my property from the - 24 meeting; did you have some other question or some new questions 25 from this redevelopment. you'd like to raise tonight? 26 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: In other words you believe that your property MR. FELICIANO: Yes.
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GEORGE FELICIANO 1 DR. JOLLY: No.
1 MR. FELICIANO: Now, I think if you would tell me the truth -- 2 havin best predate poo having been
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Now, just a minute, sir, if you will. Mr.
MR. FELICIANO: I have a couple of question. I'd like to ask Pool -- 4 the members of the Board how many do own property there - of this 5 MR. FELICIANO: Because her and I - she asked me how much the Board right here? 6 property could be sold for -
6 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Own property? CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just one minute, please, if you will. Mr. 7 MR. FELICIANO: Ies, own property right there in Russell City. 8 Pool, would you mind swearing in Dr. Jolly once more? 8 MR. LEWIS: I can answer that. I hope that none of you do, MR. LEWIS: She's already been sworn. because the law provides that if they do theyrre liable to be dis- 10 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. Dr. Jolly, would you answer the 10 qualified from their office. 11 question over the loudspeaker? The question has been - or, the 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Now, if you addressed that question to the 12 statement has been made that you or your husband own property 12 of the Board.. 13 within the project area. Would you answer the question for the 15 members
MR. FELICIANO: That's right, yes. 14 record?
14 NATHMAN PURSEL: -- I will speak for myself, and we can all 18 DR. JOLLY: No, we do-not.. 16 speak Tor ourselves: I do not own any property within the aréa. 16 MR. FELICIANO: I thought you told - your husband told de le 16 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: I do not own any property. 17 owned one lot there on Mississippi. 17 SUPERVISOR HANNON: No. 18 DR. JOLLY: No, I don't belleve that you talked to my husband. 18 19 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: (Shakes head in a negative manner.) 18 MR. FELICIANO: Well, who was that man with you? CHAIRMAN PURSEL: No member of this Board owns any property 20 (LAUGHTER) 20 21 within the area, sir. Does that answer your question? 21 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. You pretty near broke up the MR. FELICIANO: I think the Doctor's husband does own property 22 meeting with that. Okay, I think she answered the question, sir, 23 If you don't mind, and if you have another question.-- there•
24 DR. JOLLY: No. MR. FELICIANO: Yes.
MR. FELICIANO: Didn't you tell me that at the last meeting we 86 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. Direct it to somebody else, then. 25 26 MR. FELICIANO: Another question: According to the people - a 26 I had?
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1 We're all voters, and when all the people that wants a vote, they 1 They are representing a point of view of their membership. Also I 2 all come up and give you a sweettalk, give you a little sugar, but would suggest that probably these gentlemen have more or less of a when the time is all over and theysre in, they got their position, prepared statement to make, and it might be advisable to relax the 4 they forget about that voter. I'm a voter, and I'm a union - I'm time limit in this regard.
a union worker, and I belong to the union, and I think that every- 5 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: A11 right. Well, we'll relax the time limit, 6 body should get a fair deal.
6 unless there be objection. Weill extend it to - to not to exceed CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Let me just --
five minutes, if you will. We will place a limitation, then, of 8 MR. FELICIANO: And I think more of - I think they think more 8 five minutes, instead of three.
9 of the outside people instead of our own. I think we should look 10 after our backyard - our front yard before we look at someone else's 10 HIAWATHA, I. ROBERTS 11 back yard. That's all I've got to say. on behalf of
11 12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Any- 18 NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF COLORED PEOPLE 13 body else wish to speak, who live within the project area? (No 15 MR. ROBERTS: I am Hiawatha I. Roberts, local attorney having 14 resporse) I take it, then, that all of those who live within the 14 offices at 428 - 13th Street in the city of Oakland. L'm the 15 protect area have had an opportunity to speak. There being no - 18 Chairman for the Housing Committee of the Oakland Brunch of che 16 16
as love interested in speaking, we'll proceed ony then, to the next National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and 17 category. 17
included in that committee is the Subcommittee on Urban Affairs. 18 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Can you talk - sell all the property out 18 Mr. Chairman, Members of the Redevelopment Agency, Ladies and 19 of there, sir? 18
gentlemen. I can assure Dr. Jolly that I will not ask any ques- 20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: We will now proceed on with the category of 30 tions which will necessitate her having to take the Fifth Amendment 21 organizations who are interested in the proposed project, anybody 21 now (laughter).
22 who represents any organizations who wish to speak on this matter 22 The broad concept of urban renewal and its lesser counterpart, 23 now. Mr. Lewis, do you think - under these circumstances, in this 83 redevelopment, finds no basic objection in the philasophy of the 24 category, do you think those who represent and speak for an 24 National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. In its 25 organization should also be sworn? 25
more broadened concept, as federally administered, it includes not 26 MR. LEWIS: No, Mr. Chairman, I don't think it is necessary. 86 only the removal of slum conditions through slum clearance, but ROBERT B. MANNERS, D B R
DEPOSITION REPORTER - NOTARY ROBERT B. MANNERE, O S R
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also provides for the prevention of slums by aiding the rehabili- 1 redevelopment been identified with the land-grab psychology wherein tation of slum structures and encouraging the conservation of the once-undesired property peopled by the economically deprived 2 desirable property. When properly administered, urban renewal and 3 and minority group has become important and valuable to the interest 3 redevelopment can serve as a most progressive and constructive 4 of the majority group. Urban redevelopment then becomes a useful 4 and legal weapon to accomplish the unconscionable result of ac- 5 housing program.
The philosophy of eradicating blighted and deteriorated areas quiring the land and removing the occupants to a new ghetto. One 6 through urban redevelopment is regarded by the N.A.A.C.P, as a 7 needs only to look at Detroit, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Washington D.C.1 of great value and potential, provided certain minimum 8 San Francisco, and, if present trends continue, even to Oakland, to 8 program
requirements and safeguards are complied with. 9 see the pattern repeat itself.
Iwo of the major requirements would be: One, an adequate 10 The N.A.A.C.P. can agree that Russell City is a blight area and 10 relocation plan, whereby present occupants of the project area 11 that the idea of improving conditions therein is basically a sound 11 would be relocated in safe, sanitary and decent housing in an area 12 one. However, we cannot overlook the fact that the conditions which 12 in close proximity to their jobs, friends, churches, and schools; 13 exist there did not develop today; nor yesterday. In fact, the 13 tro, to insure the owners in the project area the fair market 14 conditions under which the present occupants of the project now 14 15 reside appear superior to what they were several yearg ago. 15 value et cheir property.
latess extensive cooperation and planning is given to the 16 I feel that the common concensus of the population of that 16 above two factors, the proposed plan will fail. Without proper 17 area would be, and I quote, "Our Dear Supervisors: Why the 17 planning in the above two areas the N.A.A.C.P., both nationally 18 belated concern about Russell City? Why have you failed to hear 18 and locally, is violently opposed to urban redevelopment, because 19 our feeble cry from the wilderness in the years we begged and 19 20 pleaded for fire protection, water, sewerage,gas, and mosquito 20 rather than achieve its objective of the improvement of housing of American families it serves to transplant ghettoes, 21 abatement? Why was no concentrated effort ever made to assist in 21 conditions
22 finding the solution for our common problems in a manner consistent 22 or to enlarge and reinforce existing ones.
23 with our continued residential development? Why was not the 23 Too often we have witnessed programs conceived to accommodate residential or commercial redevelopment result in the uprooting of 24 federal program exploited to ascertain whether or not by moral 24 negroes and other minority groups and the transporting of them 25 coercion the City of Hayward could annex this area and use federal 25 36 funds which would be available for supplying the services needed?" 26 beyond the community of their choice. Too long has urban ROBERT B. MANNERB, CAR
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From our vantagepoint your present concerns are somewhat akin 1 confinement of city dwelling and now live in the suburbs, and by 2 to the philosophy of the farmer who locks the barn door after the official act you would transfer them to the core city and refortify horse was stolen.
3 and renlarge the existing ghetto. This would perhaps constitute In reviewing the statistics of this project we note that the the first such reverse urban redevelopment process in this nation's 5 residents of the area are predominantly of two minority groups, 5 history, and would be strongly protested by our organization. 6 to-wit, Negroes and Mexican Americans. It is also revealed that of 7 6 We take no position pro or con at this time as to the proposed the estimated 258 families presently residing in the project area project. However, in looking to the future we express the present 7 approximately 80 or more familles number from six to fifteen per- 8 concerns: One, we question the wisdom of the Board of Supervisors, sons each. From these facts it becomes immediately apparent to us the legislative body of our great county, in setting themselves up 10 that the job of relocating these families would be a difficult 11 10 as a redevelopment agency to perform executive functions, We feel one indeed. This job would be even difficult if these people 11 such a dual role is one very difficult to fill, even by men of 18 belonged to the majority group.
12 good will and integrity, and we feel that all of you possess these 13 We certainly cannot accept the thinking, as reflected in the 13 equitable properties. However, we feel this function could be best 14 statistics, when it is reported that relocation housing 1s avail- performed by persons skilled in this type of endeavor. We feel 15 ¡able in dekland and its neighboring cities of Berkeley and Alameda 15 that you should address yourselves to this problem and if you 16 se satiesy the needs of relocatees of Russell City. This in our 16 decide to continue in your present capacity as the Redevelopment 17 opinion is an incorrect assessment of the situation for a number 17 Agency, that the least you should do to rectify what has been done 18 of reasons, the first of which is that Okland presently has its 18 is to appoint a broad-based citizens" advisory committee. 19 own relocation problems; secondly, a majority of the people in 18 20 Secondly, we are deeply concerned about the price, the quote the project area work in Hayward and South Alameda County and have 20 21 "fair market price," if you please, which will be paid to present expressed a desire to continue to live in that area; thirdly, the 21 owners of the project area. 22 pattern across the country as relates to urban redevelopment has 22 Number Three, the proposed relocation plan causes us the 23 been that the prime residential land of the core city has been 23 24 greatest amount of concern. We will violently oppose enlargement Inhabited by minority groups as a result of the flight of the 24 of the existing ghetto in the core city by the reverse process 25 majority to suburbia. In this instance the trend is reversed - 25 above referred to. 26 the small handful of the minority group have escaped the rigid 26 Likewise, we trust that within the next decade we will not ROBERT B. MANNERS, O S R
DEPOBITION REPORTER - NOTARY ROBERT B. MANNERS, C S R
315 DOWLING BLVD. DEPOBITION REPORTER - NOTARY
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1 arise one morning to find that sufficient bids were not forthcoming to participate in governmental activities at every echelon and 2 for industrial purposes and that this project will end up in the every stage of its development; to enjoy the facilities of decent hands of private developers to be converted to prime residential Integrated schools for our children; to serve God as we choose and 4 redevelopment•
consistent with the dictates of our Constitution, and to shoulder The idea of solving the relocation problem on an individual 5 our fair share of responsibility to our city, county, state, and 6 basis as they arise, as advanced by a member of the relocation 6 country.
7 staff, is totally inadequate. Specific advance planning must be 7 Based thereon we feel it is very little to ask that the Negro had, even if housing in the South county area must be resorted to by 8 as a group and the occupants of Russell City in particular be af- the Agency to solve this problem, if the need should develop. We • forded the opportunity to occupy safe, sanitary, decent houses of feel that if the need develops, the Agency should have the moral 10 their choasing, anyplace in the county of Alameda that their 11 courage to advocate public housing or low-cost housing. Moral 11 economio status qualifies them for. This should be done If it 12 courage will certainly be needed, because the same forces in the 12 becones necessary in the final analysis for you and in your legis- 18 community which approved this redevelopment plan will be the 15 Lative capacity as Supervisors to adopt a Fair Housing Ordinance. 14 greatest opponents of having the occupants of the project area 14 We hope that in the future you will be guided by human values, 15 rehoueer in safe, sanitary and decent public housing. 18 rather than the value of land. The NoA.A.C.P. feels that human 16 Lavily, although the state law is a well-drafted piece of 16 valuos are far more important than the value of a project aren o% 17 legislation, founded on broad-based democratic principles, we are 17 the desires of any particular interest group that have a particular 18 concerned as to the reasons that the federal program, with its 18 purpose to accomplish.
19 tremendous financial assistance and concrete relocation principles, 19 We hope that in the future you will be able to agree with us 20 was not employed in developing this project.
20 when we say, in summation, as the official body of the N.A.A.C.P. 21 In ciosing, we say that the NoA.A. CoP. champions the rights of 21 and on behalf of the unfortunate victims of Russell City, as we 32 a New Negro in American life. It is our considered opinion that 22 paraphrase one of our most eloquent leaders, to-wit, Ihe Reverend 23 the vast majority of negroes, and correctly we think, desire to 28 Martin Luther King, when he said, in describing the present Negro:
24 be completely integrated into every phase of American Iife. We 24 "The Negro has come to feel that he is somebody. His religion 25 desire the opportunity to earn our livelihood by the sweat of our 25 reveals to him that God loves all of his children and that every 26 brow or the ingenuity of our mental faculties, as the case may be; 26 man, from the bass black to the treble white, is significant on ROBERT B. MANNERS, OU R
DEPDRITION REPORTER - NOTARY ROBERT B. MANNERS, OB R
DEFDBITION REPORTER - NOTARY
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1 God's keyboard, He can now cry out with the eloquent poet: 1 MR. HERRON: May I ask Mr. Davis to comment on the apparent in- 2 "Fleecy locks and black complexion tent to relocate large numbers in Oakland? cannot forfeit Nature's claim
3 Skin may dit ter but affection dwells 3 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Yes. Mr. Davis, will you please? in Black and White the same
4 MR. DAVIS: Mr. Chairman, members of the committee, Mr. Roberts, Ind were I so tall as to reach the pole
5 or to grasp the ocean at a span I would first like to quote from the opening statements of our I must be measured by my soul
6 he Mind is the standard of the man, 9r 6 declaration of intent as refers to relocation, of the Redevelop- 7 I thank you. ment Plan: "The Redevelopment Agency of the County of Alameda in 8 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Roberts, permit me, if you will, to 8 effecting the relocation of persons from the redevelopment project advise you, and to introduce here now, some of the members of our area will adhere to the California State Legislature's declaration, 10 Alameda County-Russell City Redevelopment Advisory Committee. Mr. Section 33070 Health & Safety Code of California, of its public 11 Worthley is the chairman, who sits up here with the staff - he is 11 policy that 'rehabilitation or redevelopment programs shall not be 12 the chairman of that committee. I know that Councilman Dowe, of 18 undertaken and operated in such a manner as to exchange new siums 13 Union City, is here present - Mr. Oscar Dowe. Mr. Carl Hersey I 18 for old slums or as to congest individuals from one slum to another know is in the audience - yes. Is there anybody else in the 14 slum.'" 18 audlence here who are members of the Russell City Advisory Commis- 16 I think - we trust that this will allay some of the organiza- 16 510n1 16 tions' fears in regard to the establishment of new ghettoee: Ixs 17 MR. PRIOR: Yes. 17 regards to the attempted concentration of any displacees in Oak- 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Yes. Would you rise, please? 18 land, I assure you that this is not the correct interpretation of 19 MR. PRIOR: Yes. Mr. Prior. 19 the plan. As a County Agency we have the responsibility to show 20 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: On, Mr. Prior, of course - you are à member 20 that there is available housing within the County of Alameda. It 21 of the Commission, and Mr. -- 21 Just so happened that the areas explored here and reported in the 22 = MR. WHALEN: Whalen. 22 plan are - showed predominance of Oakland areas. 23 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Yes, all members of the Alameda County Ad- 23 We might also say, and I do have exhibits here which I would 24 visory Commission. I trust you'd like to know that, Mr. Roberts. 24 not like introduced, but we have them as working tools to indicate 25 MR. ROBERTS: Thank you very much. 35 each area that we see as a potential for relocation housing, has 26 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Now, I'd like to ask Mr. Herron -- 26 been proved to be an integrated area - in some cases there are more ROBERT B. MANNERS, D B R ROBERT B. MANNERS, O E R
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1 of a minority group living than in others of the areas. We also 1 THE REVEREND EUGENE R• WOLFE
attempt to express our desire to relocate people in any area on behalf of dependent not only upon their race, creed, or color, but upon their THE OAKLAND CITIZENS! COMMITTEE FOR FAIR HOUSING 4 economic ability, which will allow them to go wherever their money 5 takes them. 5 REVEREND WOLFE: Honorable Members of the Board of Supervisors We have reports from the 1960 census, which we know to be two 6 and Members of the Alameda County Redevelopment Agency and its 7 years old, indicating that each of these areas are now segregated Advisory Committee, my name is Reverend Eugene R. Wolfe, I live at 8 and we understand that there is no out-migration but in-migration 8 2451 Alida Street in Oakland, and I am now Chairman of the Citizens' 9 and, consequently, these figures have increased. To express or to Conmittee for Fair Housing in Oakland. 10 prove our concern over this matter, it is the policy of most re- 10 I'm speaking tonight, not indicating that the Fair Housing 11 development agencies to contact the potential displacees after 11 Committee in Oakland is taking a position at this point yet in 12 their property has been acquired - and to date we have contacted 12 favor or opposed to this project, but we are studying it and they 13 91% of the families living in Russell City, and the plan has not 13 asked me to come tonight to raise some questions with you which we 14 been acropted as yet. We have done this in an effort to get to 14 have about the proposed alleged relocation plans, and we plan . 15 now the people, to know something about their problems, and to 16 I understand, am I correct, and this is one question. there will be 16 teran inandiately with the planning of this relocation move. 16 one additional public hearing, won't there, before any final action 17 There are not - there is not 258 families in Russell City, 17 is taken? 18 there are 234 families, and to date we have contacted 214 of these 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You are correct, sir. Yes. 19 families. 18 REV. WOLFE: My main comments and questions are in regard to 20 We also feel that this is a community problem and we enlist the 20 relocation, the relocation plan as outlined in one of your docu- 21 assistance of all the interested organizations to help us in sol- 21 ments - I don't know which one it is, it is the one which goes 22 ving these problems - not only as an Agency; but as an agency 22 more in detail on relocation, starting on page 10 to page 20, the 23 working with this community. Thank you, sir. 23 section Mr. Davis just read from. The thing that confuses us is 24 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Davis. Is there 24 the declaration of intent, which comes at the beginning, which 25 anyone else who represents an organization who wishes to address indicates the various codes of the State of California, and the 26 the Agency at this time? 86 Federal Government in some cases, in terms of your concern and OBERT R. MANNERS, C 8 F ROBERT E. MANNERS, C5 R
EPOSITION REPORTER - NOTAR' DEPOSITION REPORTER - NOTARY 315 DOWLING BLVD. 315 DOWLING BLVD.
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your integrity and spirit to find relocation housing in desirable 1 went by in 1962, that the vacancies are of the room size and of the 2 neighborhoods at rents or prices within the financial means of the 2 rent cost that these people can afford. And I would suggest to familles displaced; in addition, they would have the opportunity to you that since we are very close to the problems and needs of low 4 occupy decent, safe and sanitary dwellings, reasonably accessible 4 and moderate income persons in the city of Oakland, I juso don't 5 to their places of employment - such principles as these, which are 5 think there is housing that is decent, safe and sanitary in Oakland very sound if they can be implemented. But we see at this stage In these census tracts you mention at the price range where people/ 6 7 nowhere in your report or statistics any concrete plans which show are living on $60 a month, or #80 a month, or $100 a month, or even 8 that this can be implemented, and actually it would demonstrate to $4000 in a year, can get into, which are decent, safe and sanitary. 9 us the facts that you give in regard to the incomes, the family And we're concerned because even though it's perhaps irrelevant to 10 size, and the persons living there, and factors like that - where say "What is the experience of other cities on relocation?" - and 11 they live and where they work, those that do work - that you would there has been extensive studies done by the University of Southern 12 not be able, so far, to document sufficient relocation housing for 18 California, the School of Public Administration, in regard to 41 15 the vast majority of these people who will be pushed out by this 13 other cities, of redevelopment. The great numbers of persons who 14 blan.
14 had voluntarily relocated themselves, without the assiscance of the Ler me illustrate in this way: In your census materials, which agency - the vast majority of those in these 41 cities went ince 16 cose alung later, where you go into detail on several pages in 16 substandard housing. And those families that did taka the services 17 regard to the housing availability and you give information on 17 of - the relocation services provided by the agency, they fared 18 tracts in Alameda, Berkeley, Emeryville and Oakland, and then you 18 better. But, still, at least a third of those families found 19 give also the rental values and the gross rent ranges in these 19 themselves ending up ultimately in housing which was not decent, 20 census tracts - then you supplement tnis with, actually two years 20 safe and sanitary. And also it's reported in these studies that 21 later, a - a car survey, going door to door looking for the these families are continually being relocated - one project 22 "vacant" signs, or rents, and homes purchased. This all looks 22 relocates them to another place, and along comes another public 23 good in the report, it looks like a lot of good work was done - and 28 improvement project or redevelopment and they are relocated time 24 a lot of good work was done - but there is nothing here to docu- 24 and time again, because * they have never gotten yet into decent, 25 ment, as you know, that in these census tracts where vacancies 85 safe and sanitary housing.
26 existed in 1961 or where they might have existed when your people 26 And I'd like to ask Mr. Davis: What is there concretely in the ROBERT •. MANNERS, CS R
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way of housing resources in this report which would suggest that housing for this rent, which would be safe, decent and sanitary.
2 people - one third of the people according to this report who are You say you do not believe us there. I say that I do. I on disabled or retired persons, on public assistance, with very low: believe it, because I have been out there to look and to find it, 4 income, or another third unemployed or partly unemployed, or even 4 and have been inside it, and this is what I have documented it with. those working whose median income is $4000 - where, specifically 5 Now, as far as continued availability of this housing - cannot 6 - how do you know that there is housing - according to their 6 guarantee it. But with the mobility of our population it is as 7 income, according to their family size, that is vacant at this reasonable to assume that it will be there as it is reasonable to 8 time, or even a year from now, in the City of Oakland? How could 8 assume that it will not be.
9 your report document that?
9 We have also noted in this same situation that you have re- 10 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Do you mind, Mr. Davis? Would you speak to 10 ferred to that this is not complete data in the particular report. 11 that?
11 We have shown that this plan is feasible in the report. We have 12 ME. DAVIS: Tes, sir. Mr. Wolfe, I would also refer you to - 12 more complete and detailed data in our office, and we invite you 13 I suepeat that you - do you have a copy of our house-to-house 13 or the members of your committee to come down and see it. 14 canvass report?
14 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you very much.
REV. WOLFE: You refer to it in this document. 15 REV. WOLFE: My concern was -- i. DAVIS: I asked, do you have a copy? 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Any other questions? 17 REV- WOLFE: Not any separate copy. 17
REV. WOLFE: My concern was whether you had any data specifi- 18 MR. DAVIS: I see. All right, sir. I think perhaps if you had 18 cally on the vacancies you say exist, in terms of what they want 19 a copy of this house-to-house canvass report you might see that the 19 Ior these vacancies. Do you have that kind of information in your 20 income situation is not as bad as some of us would have others 30 office? 21 believe. 81
MR. DAVIS: Yes. In fact, I have it over by this table.
22 Now, what people do with their money is their particular busi- CHAIRMAN FURSEL: I suggest, then, Reverend, you take advantage 23 ness. However, we do know that with a wise - a wiser use of our of that information.
24 money we can make it go further. There are some people paying 24 REV. WOLFE: Then I would call your attention to a statement 25 $65, $75 rent in Russell City. I'm certain that in these areas made in here where you suggest that - you conclude that "It is 26 that we have outlined in our census tracts that we could also find 86 therefore expected that the activities of the County's Agency and ROBERT B. MANNERS, O $ R
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1 Oakland's Agency will be mutually exclusive." is a fact that we are not, in fact, competing for the homes of 1 Some of us have some questions about this. We are relocating private housing within the county, that we expect to be able to get 3 over 1300 units in our Acorn Project alone, which is the first of along in a most compatible way.
4 our redevelopment projects in Oakland - three or four times the Now, as far as our Agency is concerned, I don't think they have 4 5 units you have to relocate here, In order to do this, because of 5 got any official action, but we have worked together - that is, the the same type of situation - people with low incomes and low- two divisions, the County Division of Relocation and the City 6 7 medium incomes - we have accepted that we have to build low-cost Division of Relocation, and we understand each others problems and 8 public housing for many of our public citizens and other persons we feel we can both get along together.
9 whose incomes are insufficient for the private market to get decent 9 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you.
10 safe and sanitary housing. REV. WOLFE: One final comment, in regard - it is true, many 10 11 We have only so far relocated one third of these units that people, as you indicate, could, if they desired to, pay increased 11 12 are having problems. You say these are mutually exclusive - we 12 money for their housing costs, whether it be home payments or 13 are competing for the same type of low-cost housing that is decent, 13 rental, but the studies indicate, again, in Oakland that over 50% 14 saie and sanitary, and I would wonder whether the Redevelopment 14 of those non-white families in Oakland who have income under 16 Agency, yourselves, would not be well advised to get some official 15 $3000 have to pay way over 35% of their income for kris housine, 16 rultne frem the Oakland Agency as to whether they feel your con- 26 regardless of what shape and standard it is. And when you wake 17 templated project here would handicap that one there - and, if so, these salaries that you indicate in your report here, the person 17 18 in what way you could resolve this thing. I doubt whether your 18 pays 35% or 40% of that for housing, whether it is decent or not, 19 work is exclusive.
19 he has very little left to take care of his other basic needs of 80 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Could we ask Mr. Davis to answer that, please human existence. And the cases that were illustrated here, when 20 21 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. In regards to this Oakland Agency - you get the specific case every time, what do you do when you have 22 again, I am sure, you have read Oakland's redevelopment plan, as I 22 a man with ten kids in this income, even if he gets $3000 or $4000 23 have - in their relocation section this same low-cost housing that 83 for his home - on this income he cannot go into the private 24 you are talking about that they are building is the very housing 24 housing market and carry a mortgage on a house. Yet he could 25 that it is supposed to, according to their expectation, eliminate 86 maintain himself in his present situation - it's the best he has. 26 or greatly reduce their problem, and it is for this reason that it 36 So my point is that people with low income pay a higher ROBERT B. MANNERE, C E R ROBERT E. MANNERS, O S R
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1 proportion of their
income for housing, and this is - this works a exists in Oakland. But it is our contention, and this is my real hardship, a real handicap. And when you say that they have 2 reconmendation to the Agency - we will probably be considered as the same opportunity when the go to look for housing - they cannot an organization - that in the program as you proceed that you begin increase as much as maybe you or I could increase our money for to include in the plan a rehousing program which will include low- 5 housing, and I think this needs to be considered.
5 cost housing, or low-middle income housing, that you will build 6 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: That's right.
6 here in Southern Alameda County to help the people that you force CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you; Mr. Davis, would you care to make out, and that you utilize the various programs provided in our 8 one final comment on that, on Mr. Wolfe's question?
Federal Government and State of California new proposed legisla- MR. DAVIS: Thank you. It is being considered, but it is just tion which is being introduced in Sacramento this term, which will 10 a basic and hard fact - the lower a person's income the higher the 10 be - it is my understanding that the Governor's Commission on 11 proportion he pays for his housing. This is true in all of our 11 Housing Problems is issuing its report this month, and in their 12 situations.
12 several recommendations is a plan which will assist redevelopment 13 Howaver, this is not justification for leaving someone in a 13 programs in suburban areas to be able to include in their redevel- 14 blighted and despicable condition and then justify it by the fact 14 opment programs low-cost housing, lower-middle cost housing. and that he has a low income and we don't choose to do anything about 15 receive assistance in low-interest loans from the Stace no de this. 16 its and unis is why it is necessary for agencies like yours to 16 And it would be our contention that this would be showing real 17 Join with agencies like ours to attempt to solve the problem. 17 human treatment for the families and would insure you a resource of 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you very much.
18 getting new housing that is decent, at decent incomes and costs 19 REV. WOLFE: Let me say, we are basically in sympathy with the 18 that these people could afford, and we would like you to consider 20 broad ideas of redevelopment, that we would like to see new 20 this legislation and look into it and consider building some new 21 revenues coming to the County from an industrial park - but we are 21 housing, even as we butld a new industrial park. 22 equally and even more generally concerned in terms of the human 22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you, Reverend Wolfe. I can assure you 23 impact, human values, as it relates to the relocation of these that this Board, too, is very concerned with the human values in- 24 people. To this point we are not convinced that you have in your 24 volved in this project. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak 25 records - and this I will be glad to come in and see if we are here representing any organization? Now is the time so to do, if 26 convinced otherwise - but we don't think this kind of housing 28 you care. (No response) If not, we will proceed to the final ROBERT B. MANNERS, G S R ROBERT B. MANNERE, 0 8 R
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MR. JENNINGS: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Board of Supervi- MR. LEWIS: Mr. Chairman - excuse me for interrupting, but I sors, Members of the Citizens Advisory Committee, I am representing think our Reporter has had a real workout here; if we could give Mr. Frank and Catherina Maita - they reside at 20275 Nebraska 3 4 him a five-minute recess to rest up before going on, I think he'd 4 Street, Code Area 8-11-13 - pardon me, 8-11-3, Map 82, Block 45, appreciate it.
5 Parcel 2. It represents some five - some five and fifty-six CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. With that admonition, we will 6 hundredths acres, more or less. again recess for five minutes.
It is our request at this time that the above-mentioned private (SHORT RECESS 8 property be excluded from the proposed redevelopment plan of 9 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You will all be seated so we can proceed.
Russell City.
10 All right, ladies and gentlemen, if you will please take your seats 10 We further propose and support the deletion of all property 11 and all members of the staff, If they will take their proper seats. 11 north of County Road No. 1009, which is commonly known as West 12 We are now down, as you know, to the final category, and in 18 Winton Avenue - refer to Community Redevelopment Plan Exhibit 1, 13 this category we're going to hear from those persons or individuals 18 dated October 1962,
14 who are interested in the Russell City Project, and of course, as 14 We are not opposed to the property improvement aad developent. 25 I'm sure you know, this means those persons who have not up to this 15 However, this action has been impossible for the presen property 16 point had en opportunity to speak to the Board on this project. 16 owners due to certain actions of various governing bodies and car 17 So all persons or any person or individual who has not had an op- 17 groups.
18 portunity to speak to the Redevelopment Agency on this project, 18 This relatively large parcel was purchased by Mr. and Mrs. 19 would they now step to the microphone - any individual or person Maita for the purpose of the pursuit of happiness, and also as a 20 who wishes to speak. 80 long-term private investment. We therefore feel that if given the 21 MR. JENNINGS: My name 1s Jennings, C. R. Jennings. I reside 21 opportunity to develop and use or dispose of, based upon sup- 22 at 2272 Kelly Street, Hayward.
porting action from the County Board of Supervisors, the Planning 23 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Lewis, shall we swear the witness in? Commission and/or other governing bodies, that the pursuit of 24 MR. LEWIS: Yes, I think so, If he wishes to give testimony. 24 happiness of this family would best be fulfilled, also that the 85 C. Re JENNINGS 36
property evaluation would equal or exceed that of the property 26 sworn as a witness by the
Clerk, testified as follows: 26 south of County Road No. 1009 after its redevelopment as proposed,
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thereby increasing the monetary benefit to the County as well as a 2 more equitable investment return to the present owner. governing annexation regarding islands and so forth if all the 2 properties north of West Winton Avenue are exaluded, as has been Mr. and Mrs. Maita have raised a large family, all members of 3 requested by most property owners north of Winton - West Winton. 4 which have been a fine example for all citizens. There has never 4 Any reasonable zoning or rehabilitation, even to the point of 5 been a social problem, as mentioned so often in various reports. 5 demolition, will be accepted and we will gladly work with the Board 6 There has never been illness in the family due to water sanitation, 7 of Supervisors in this matter.
including grandchildren or greatgrandchildren who visit Mr. and 8 7 In conclusion, we resubmit that this is an individual situation Mrs. Maita quite often.
9 8 involving five and fifty-six hundredths acres of land and the However, we do concur that these facilities are inadequate, 10 9 private home of Mr. and Mrs. Maita, which have resided in this the house on this property is adequately sound and sanitary - 10 residence for some 30-odd years. Their best interests and sound 11 however, it is in a deteriorating condition due to the lack of 11 12 proper support in order to bring it to the proper condition in the | judgment will be unanimously supported by their heirs. All legal 12 recourse will be pursued to protect their request and the best 13 years hence.
13 interest of this community.
14 No member of this family has ever posed a police problem. No 14 member of cnis family or its 30 to 40 heirs have ever needed, We therefore request that this individual situation be given 16 15 prompt consideration. Respectfully submitted.
asked for, nor received any welfare or assistance, either local, 16 17 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you, Mr. Jennings. Mr. Sweeney has a State, or Federal - which also includes Social Security. 17 18 question.
I respectfully submit that this hearing and the hearing of 18 19 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Do you live there, sir?
January 15th has failed to justify condemnation and seizure, either 19 20 MR. JENNINGS: No. My father-in-law lives there. I live in by reason of deterioration, health, or social problems - or lot 20 21 Hayward.
sizes, or for reasons other than deterioration as attested to at 22 21 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: Now, as I understand, you have how many the January 15th meeting.
23 acres?
We further submit that a natural boundary, such as County Road 23 MR. JENNINGS: Five and fifty-six hundredths. It's the north- 24 No. 1009, which is commonly known as West Winton Avenue, should be 34 25 west portion, the large parcel in the northwest, which 1s in white used, iristead of a meandering boundary as is indicated by the 25 26 present proposal. I can see no on the map to your right. conflict with the present laws 26 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: And one home on it? B15 DOWLING BLVD. ROBERT B. MANNERS, 0 BR
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Mile JENINGS: There is one home and several dwellings which 1 day, last - I think it was last month, I was - wanted to move out. 2 are in a deteriorated condition. However, as I stated before, we And so I - my daughter say, "Well, I will carry you down to the 2 3 will work with anyone, make any demolition necessary, or any 3 redevelopment place to get you a place.": So she carried me down 4 rehabilitation necessary, in order to bring it to standard, or any 4 there.
5 zoning which might be so desired. They didn't have any place, and so they carries me to East 5 6 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. Did you wish to comment on that Oakland. They advised - they told me to go to East Oakland or 6 7 at all? 7 somewhere and try to get me a place. So I went to East Oakland. 8 MR. HERRON: No, sir.. The same concept applies to the Maita They gives me $95 a month, and the cheapest house I found in East 8 9 property as to all the properties north of West Winton Avenue. Oaland was 85. Ihat left me $5 to live on a month, so I'm still 9 10 CHAIRNAN PURSEL: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Jennings. Now we in Russell City. 10 11 are in the final category, as you know - is there any individual 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You understand, Mrs. Cannon, that we have not 12 person here tonight who has not had the opportunity to address 18 approved this project at this point yet, don't you?
13 18 MRS. CANNON: I understand they ain't got no houses, I under- us, sitting as the Alameda County Redevelopment Agency, who wishes 14 to speak to as now? (No response) Yes, Lady? Step up to the 14 stand that much. 15 microphone. 15 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Hoorays
26 MRS. (WILLIS) CANNON 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mrs. Cannon, just a minute, well 17 sworn as a witness by the Redevelopment Director, the Relocation Director, Mr. Davis, to 18 Clerk, testified as follows:
18 comment on that. Just stand right there.
19 THE CLERK: Your name and address? 19 MRS. CANNON: AIl right. 20 MRS. CANNON: Miss Cannon, 2680 Freeport Avenue. I live in 20 MR. DAVIS: Mr. Chairman, I'm not familiar with the particular 21 Russell City. 21 situation, but we're not obligated at this time to have any housing 22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You live in Russell City? 22 We could not at this point go to landlords and ask them to make 23 MRS. CANNON: Ies, I do. I lives on my grandaughter's land - 23 their list available to us, and so forth, because we would perhaps 24 place. 24 have so many and so many prospects for then as tenants. Until this 25 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Proceed. 85 plan is officially adopted, if and when it is adopted, we shall 26 MRS. CANNON: And I - about the redevelopment, I - the other 86 then begin to assimilate a housing file where potential displacees ROBERT B. MANNERS, C = R ROBERT E. MANNERS, C S R
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Road there - I call it "Russell," it's "Winton." It is two acres, CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Up to this point, Mrs. Cannon, wetre still 2 holding hearings on whether or not we should adopt the plan. it's just this side of this Mr. Maita's, it is right on the corner of Winton and --
4 MRS. CANNON: I could get a low low rent house for maybe $50 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Just a minute.
5 or $60, but it would be a ratbed - it's just like I'm moving out MR. YOUNG: Right on the corner of Winton and Nebraska.
of, so I would just - so I just come back to Russell City. 6 MR. HERRÓN: Parcel No. 6 - for reference purposes, this is 7 CHAIRMAN PURSEL:
I see. All right. Thank you, Mrs. Cannon. Map 82, Block 38, Parcel 6.
Anyone else in the audience here who wishes to speak to this Board, 8 MR. YOUNG: Right. That's right. 9 sitting as the Redevelopment Agency --
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Okay, Mr. Young.
10 MR. LEWIS: Mr. Chairman?
10 MR. YOUNG: If have got a pretty nice piece of property. I 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: -- who has not had an opportunity? 11 12 MR. LEWIS: Before this gentleman speaks I would like to have got a pretty nice piece of property. Referring back to the 12 last time, you refer --
13 inform you that the Clerk has a letter from a lady that is sitting 14 in the audience and CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Young, would you mind talking • little she wishes that it be read at an appropriate 14 slower? We have a Reporter taking every word you seek. time before the hearing closes.
15 MR. YOUNG: I have had the place appraised already, see, the 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Are you suggesting that it be read now? 16 17 MR. LEWIS: Following this gentleman. house alone has been appraised. And it was really worrh avone 17 $7000, but - I was offered for it, so - oh, that didn't include 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Immediately following this gentleman; all 18 the land, of course - I got two acres of land. So if I would be 19 right, sir.
19 permitted to, I think I would be able to bring my property up ac- 20 20 cording to specifications, and I'm on the north side of Winton 21 JAMES L. YOUNG
21 22 sworn as a Avenue, so I think that if it's possible to take that - the whole Clerk, stilted as otors:
22 23 THE CLERK: Your name and address? - Iet that side go along with it and take it from the other side, 23 24 MR. YOUNG: James I. Young, 2247 West Winton Avenue, Hayward. exclude it from the rest of the fellows, I would be willing to go 24 along with it. That 1s all.
25 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Proceed, Mr. Young. 35 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you, Mr. Young. Now, Mr. Pool, would 26 MR. YOUNG: Now, I've got a little piece of property on Russell 26 you read the letter that was addressed to this Board? OBERT B. MANNERS, O 8 F
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Dear Sirs:
4 THE CLERK: I believe it is "Mrs, Stella Magdallano"?
meetings notary 25, 19 to be read at the next
MRS. MAGDELLINO: No, Stella Magdellino. 5 January 22,
You know and everybody concerned with this
redevelopment dea. knows that we, the people
6 Russell City, keep our properties.
MRS. STELLA MAGDELLINO
don't you put this matter to a vote
entied mitty a d the clerk to decide what we want
in do with our properties? We have the right to
ad by the Cleo The Board and to a vote and in this way
the people, want done.
9 I understand that something has to be done
10 THE CLERK: to improve conditions now
The letter is addressed to the Board. It is dated 10 the Russell area, but relocation of its people is not the
January 17, 1963:
11 answers, the people of Russell City housing up
12 should be
2632 Freeport Avenue 12
15 Hayward, California and whosoever fails to do so to
It is cheaper for us to
The Board of Supervisors 15 do this than to buy another home. 14 County of Alameda Redevelopment Agency afford to buy another home. 18 221 West Winton Avenue 14 hame feste families. is to become of them Dear Sir: 15 I understand you will relocate us.
16 this is easy
But how long will
16 relocated? We cannot afford high rents,
17 I satary 1g, 19630 be read at the next
17 payments on new homes. Most of us much
18 prefer to be given an opportunity to bring our
housing up to standard.
18 This land, and any other land in California,
19 is becoming more and more
19 valuable, and that the
20 more we are allowed to keep our land the more
MRS. MAGDELLINO: Why don't you read it through the micro- 20 • Irom us the more valuable it will becon
21 phone, sir.
21 just remember that
28 in California yoy all matter where it
MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Yes, that's right. We can't hear. 1o, code the uy war and that we want you to keep this in mind when 22 23 becoming more
MRS. MAGDELLINO: Yes, sir. 23 valuable than gold itself - that 1s why 34 is trying to get irom the poor, but
THE CLERK: I have no objection to using this one. The letter that God does not forget, he will pay everyone ac- 24 cording to his deeds.
25 is dated January 17, 1963: I want this to
25 be put to a vote because I feel
26 and understand that we have a right, based on the
2632 Freeport Avenue 26 Constitution of the U.S.
Hayward, California
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1 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: That is right. I own some property on the other side also, at - I'm against some 2 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: Amen. of the plans over there.
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you very much, Mrs. Magdellina. This lady stated in her letter "What would happen to some of 4 (Applause)
the poor peoples should be considered." Why disrupt some of the 5 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Please. Now, is there any other individual 5 people? They got to go someplace and they used to living in a who has not had an opportunity to speak to the Board, who wishes to 6 place like Russell City, and you got to have some place for those 7 speak at this time? type of people that like to live there they can maybe have a 8 MRS. MAGDELLINA: Would you please answer my letter, sir? 8 couple of chickens or something else that doesn't have to be 9 MR. BURNETTE: Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry I'm a little late restricted like you would in a nice = well - a neighborhood, say 10 getting here to speak when I'm supposed to. I'm a property owner. 10 Iike the little boy was, in San Diego, he wrote the nice letter to 11 I would like to say a couple of words to the Board.
11 the Mayor or somebody - they tore down his little mountain; he had 12 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Excuse me, would you be sworn? 12 a little cave in there, you know, and the bulldozers was tearing 13 out all the caves and everything and the kid didnt lave a mlace
ROBERT BURNETTE
14 14 to play in. I thought you might remember that article in the sworn as a witness by the
Clerk, testified as follows: 15 paper.
16 THA URK: Your name and address?
16 That was getting to be the same way weire doing nows ou take 17 ili. BURNETTE: My name is Bob Burnette and my address is 729 17 Russell City, those people, some of them, are happy out tiere, 18 19th Street, in Oakland. I'm a property owner in Russell City. I 18 They enjoy it, even - even if we - somebody else - might think 19 own - Let's see, Mr. Herron have the stick there on it, about three 18 this look like a slum, or this or that - but theyrre happy. And 20 acres, a little better than three acres there. That's on the - I 20. I'd say well, it could be improved. I think what we could do, 21 guess
the northeast side, you would pronounce it. 21 myself - this is just an idea, I think each individual - I think 22 I would like to have that not included in it, this Redevelop- 22 like the lady stated in the letter, if this Agency or some indus- 23 ment Agency, as I think I'd Iike to leave it be improved by myself, 23 trial wants the property, all right, let them buy it. That's - 24 because I think I have experience in developing land and, as I 24 that's okay. But let them deal directly with the owners. If there 25 know, if the - if I could develop it myself it would be much better 25 is any profit to be made, let the owners - let them have the op- 26 Off If I did it than if the Agency taken and did it, and I'm not - 26 portunity to make the deals themselves. If they need sewer and ROBERT B. MANNERS, CO R
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1 water, okay. How about the sewer and water? How we going to get 1 the largest parcel is north of West Winton Avenue and just west of 2 that? Okay, than la a good question. All right. How do we get the railroad tracks. It has a large two-story very old residence 3 other things we want in Alameda County? If the individual doesn't on it, which I believe at the present time is rested out to several have the money what do we do? We Moat a bond. How about this 4 families. It also has an old water tank - a water house in an transit railway going to cross the Bay? Who is going to pay for adjacent building. We have the same reason for including Mr. that? I'm going to have to help pay for it. What they going to Burnette's parcel in the project as we claim for the others. 7 do? They going to float a bond, I'm pretty sure. A lot of other 7 As far asMrs. Magdellino's letter is concerned, or Mr. Bur- 8 things they float a bond issue. they could do the same thing for 8 nette!s statement concerning letting the individual property owners Russell City. If they want sewer and water out there, float a 9 develop the area themselves, we point again to the fact that over 10 bond. Let us all pay for it, if it is the County, and let the 10 the last several years there has been displayed no ability to 11 people stay out there if they want to and improve the property - 11 provide their own sewers and water. It can't be done by bond. 12 and if they can't build on - you can have restriction on the lots, 12 There are for approximately 430 properties owners of homes - I 15 if you want to, They got - some have small lots, say 25-foot lots. 13 don't have a count, but comparatively few have speken to the Board. 14 I have seen cities where they have restriction like that, where 14 To do anything in this project area it would be demensent upon the you wants willd on a 25-foot lot, and they have to have maybe two 15 action of the owners - you would have to have a very large propor- 10 Lots is build, and that way I think they would be better off, too, 16 tion of the ownership committed to the program, and, gentlemen, I
chunk caking people's property away from them. 17 do not believe this is possible. 18 And on this fair market value, because I - I have gone through 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. Now, may I ask - is there any -- 19 that, and I know just what it - what a fair market value looks to 19 MR. LEWIS: Mr. Chairman, I believe there was one question 20 an appraisal. It doesn't look the same to the owner. So I would 20 unanswered, as far as the lady's letter was concerned - at least I 21 say I'm against it. Thank you.
21 think one of the major questions that she had, and that was the 22 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Burnette. Mr. Lewis 22 right of the people to vote on it. 23 or Mr. Herron, either one, would you care to comment on some of 23 The law does not provide for a vote in the project area under 24 the points, the statements made by this gentleman - and also that 24 any circumstances. Now, as far as the adoption of the ordinance, 25 were made in Mrs. Magdellino's letter?
25 I do not know whether or not an initiative measure or referendum 26 MR. HERRON: Insofar as Mr. Burnette's property is concerned, 26 would be allowable on this; however, the Act does itself provide BERT B. MANNERS, O B ROBERT B. MANNERS, O B R
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1 that nothing shall be done in the way of any action or any attack city. This is one of the few places that I have seen where we can 1 2 on any part of the plan, as far as legal procedures or such, until get out and we can see ducks, we can see chickens, we can see goats 2 the final plan has been adopted, and then such an attack may be and cows. 4 made on the plan or any provisions thereof must be made within I do admit that there is a slum condition, but I understand 4 5 60 days thereafter . and after that time there is no further action from what I have heard there has been some kind of a city ordinance 5 that may be taken to directly test the provisions of the plan. And or restriction on repair of the property for some time. I feel 6 7 I refer, just for the record's sake, to Section 33746 of the Health that the Redevelopment Commiziee could help develop the existing 7 8 & Safety Code. area and the cost could be assumed by reassessment of the improved CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you. Now, ladies and gentlemen, weive 9 facilities by the people that live there and by the property owners. 10 been as fairand considerate as we possibly can be and we want to It would make it a system in bringing the sewerage - I think it 10 11 draw these hearings to a close, but if there is anyone else, any would do an awful lot to bring this area about so that it would be 11 12 individual who has not had an opportunity to address this Board, Livable. I know the people enjoy it down there, those that live in 12 13 now le the bie. Okay, sir. 13 decent homes. Those that don't I'm sure that the would time to 14 help rebuild their own places, and if the City worls pilow ther RUFUS DAY 14
15 permits sometime ago I don't think it would have gote on to sue 15 sworn as a itness by th
2.8 Clerk, testified as follows manner it is now. It's just falling apart in places, and I apoke 16 17 IME CLERK: Your name and address? to several of the people and they say they have tried to gas per- 17 18 MR. DAY: Rufus Day, 15182 Belmont, Hayward. Conmittee mits to fix it up but they couldn't do it. Thank you very much. 18 19 Members, I'm just an interested party, citizen of Hayward, citizen CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you very much. Now, is there anyone 19 20 of the United States. From what I heard tonight, I gather that the else here who wishes to speak? Make your remarks as brief as 20 21 people of Russell City want to stay there. possible, weld appreciate it. Thank you. 21 22 If the County Planning Commission intends to bring water and 22 LEONA ALVES
23 sewerage into this area for industrial use, I don't know why they 23 sworn as a witness by the
24 can't do it for the people that live there. testified as follows:
24 Clerk,
25 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: That's right. Yes. THE CLERK: Your name and address? 25 26 MR. DAY: This area can actually be made a beautiful garden 26 MRS. ALVES: My name is Leona Alves, and I own property at ROBERT B. MANNERB, • BR
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I own a restaurant at 2696 Freeport Avenue, 1 corner there 100 by 125. I really feel like if 1 2692 Freeport Avenue: are going to
and I have had property in Russell City since 19 and 35, and I'm at take my place, as I am my self support I than they should the age now that my home is pold for, my property's paid for, and give me a paid-up home somewhera - because paid: I don' have I'm aware that I'm 86 - I*ll soon he 86 years of age. I don't draw any mortgage. But if they give me sewer, the elve me the privilege 5 any Social Security or no Unemployment, no welfare. I work to try of fixing, I would like to fix it better - and they would find me to make my own living by running my restaurant and renting it out doing so. So I thank you very much. 7 when I can, trying to make my own living, and I like to be indepen- CHAIRMAN PURSEL; Thank you. Was there another lady chat 8 dent. 8 wished to speak at this time?
9 And I have a pretty fair house there. I have a pretty fair MRS. J. Mo. HENRI
10 restaurant. It is - the Reverend said they didn't take the picture sworn as a witness by the clerk,
11 of it, but - and everyone know me around know that I do try to keep testified as follows:
THE CLERK: Your name and address?
12 things running clean and feed the people the best of food when I'm 13 the cook there. MRS. HENRY: I'm Mrs. J. M. Henry, 2254 West Winton Avenue. 14 What I want to say, I own the property at 225 West Winton So 1 save asked and I have tried - which they did give me a 15 permit. l taken out a permit to build my house, fix it up as far 15 Avenue. We want to fix the house. I had a littla fload in the 16 men afver we began it the Redevelopment came in. I stopped, 16 small part, the garage part of the house. I goes up to this neeause I - but I tried to build. Then we had one home was burned 17 Redevelopment Agency, they gave me - they told me to go and lift 18 down, but that was built as well as any home in town. We had it 18 this house, which I couldn't do that. I goes back to them. They 19 - everything. Dr. Malcolm and everybody have been there and visit 19 come out, "Well, you fix this house," All right. I go and put out 20 and ate in it. They know. 20 my money to fix this house, got it up - here they send some man 21 So now we have asked to try, I have asked, and they know if 21 down, Mr. Harper - that's right, Mr. A. I. Harper - and stick this 22 they'd give me the privilege I would fix my place up as well as 22 on it (exhibiting document). This house was too good, they said - 23 anybody can, a poor person. 23 this was too good for temporarily. Well, I told them I wasn't 24 Now, my - my tax went from - when I went there in 1935 I was 24 going to live in water when I can do better, and they - this is wha 25 paying 49, but they have gone up, so you know I must have tried to 25 they stlck on my house, to stop the - the house is halfway up now, 26 improve - it's gone up now to $214 a year I have to pay. I have a 26 and if they would let people in Russell City before, if they had of ZOBERT B. MANNERB, D S R ROBERT B. MANNERE, C B R
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1 told me that when I was buying - paying that $7500 for it, I speak, presented themselves before this Board? Yes, sir, you
wouldn't have been chere. They didn't say that. They wait until there way in the rear, did you wish to speak? All right. After I got it paid for, tell me now I can't fix the house and going to 3 you, then, that will conclude the hearing. Have you spoken before, give me a fair price - they going to give me all my money back. I sir? 4 5 put a lawn, it was a mudhole - I put 200 loads of dirt in that place 5 to fill it up. I got a nice place. My children going - graduated 6 FLOYD HUCHEY 7 from Hayward High, they gone now. So why I want to move now all having been sworn by the 7 lerk, testiNed further as follows.
the world, when I got a plice? Just let me finish it, fix it. 8 THE CLERK: Your name and address?
9 We fix it up. My husband have a good job, been there 16 years, he MR. HUCHEY: Hughey, Floyd Hughey, and I --
10 can fix it. Now, allow me a break - not stick these tags on the CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Have you spoken before, sir?
11 house and holler at the people "nasty rathole." It's no ratholes 11 MR. HUCHEY: Not tonight. I have spoken here once before, but 12 in my house. It's not nasty in there, either - you better know •12 not tonight.
15 it. ¡is think it's nasty? Come in anytime and find out if it's 15 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Jes, you spoke before. Yes.
then if you find rats there, then I'll pay you for them - 14 MR. HUGHEY: Here. Right here, last Tuesday
16 all the rate you found around there. It's lot more people out 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. Well, on this cud cion, sam, 26 4 Shere.
16 because we have tried to limit it to one appearance before.
I wants to fix the house. I got proof. The house is up there 17 MR. HUGHEY: Okay. Thank you very much. 18 now, and then they go stick this - this thingo I taked it off. 18 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: You may make a few comments if you want. Go 19 And
after this meeting I'm telling you right here, after this 19 ahead. Make it as brief as possible. 20 meeting - I told them, after this meeting, If it doesn't come to 20 MR. HUGHEY: On, I will do that. I could preach all night, but 21 something, I'm going to fix my house - and don't nobody bother me, 21 It worldn't do no good. I just wanted you to see one point. Out 22 don't bother me.
22 of everything we do, donst care how we struggle, yet it's a 28 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Anybody else who wishes to speak at this time, 23 stumbling block - you put stumbling blocks in all of the Russell 24 any other individual who hasn't had an opportunity? (No response) 24 City people's path, as well as I know.
25 We have covered all the categorles, as you know, that were on the 25 MEMBER OF AUDIENCE: That's right. That's the truth.
26 agenda. Has everybody who desired to do so had an opportunity to 26 MR. HUCHET: And listen, I'm not satisfled in it, God's not MANNERE, CaR
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satisfied. But whatever you got in mind to do, regardless - even CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Okay. Thank you very much. Lady, did you 2 when they fired the brilding brick homes - you tell me to build a 2 wish to speak? 3 brick home; if you giva me the permit I will build a brick home, MRS. FRANKLIN: I would, please. Ild like to ask a question. 4 stand specifications anywhere. 4 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Okay, ask a question. 5 But this is the main thing, y'all want the property. You 5 MRS. FRANKLIN: Do I have to be sworn? didn't want it up until just now. You got something in mind. You 6 MR. LEWIS: If she just wants to ask a question -- 7 won't let us know nuthing. You all us nothing. And while we 7 MRS. FRANKLIN: I don't want to make a speech, I just want to 8 sleep you doing nothing at all but pencilling us out of our life. 8 ask a question. I will be sworn in, 9 And I - let me tell you, and I own my piece of property and I - I 9 MRS. LODIA LINANKLIN
10 want to say this - regardless to the condition, I want to stay 10 sworn. a witness
Clerk, testified as follows:
11 there, even I got what lots of them haven't got - I mean every- 11 12 body's not able to do what others is. I've got a bath, hot and 18 THE CLERK: Your name and address? 13 cold sta good water - never made none of my people sick, and I 15 MRS. FRANKLIN: Lodia Franklin, 2600 - 65th Avans, Dalland. I 24 colded all my family there, then I'm satisfied. Somebody always on 14 would like to ask the gentleman, he stated a while are then " Pow 11 Б ay backdoor with a book - I don't like that, because I'm too old 16 many property owners did you say there was in Ruses 31ty. sp- 16 now Car sec. 16 proximately 430, and did I understand you clearly es way war it 17 But let me tell you one thing, if you got to have my property was almost impossible for you to contact those, as they were 18 don't relocate me nowhere. I wouldnit - I wasn't relocated there. 18 mentioned voting? 19 You didn't tell me to go out there. I had to go someplace. I used 19 MR. HERRON: No, ma'am, I did not. I said it would be almost 20 to stay in Oakland, too, but rent got so high until I had to leave 20 impossible to obtain common agreement amongst those property 21 there, I couldn't pay it. But I worked, I worked hard for that 21 owners to do anything like sewer and water. 22 little piece of property, thanks to the lord, give me health and 22 MR. FRANKLIN: How do you expect to get in touch with all 23 33 these property owners, as they are some out of the state and in the strength to come out more than once, and now if you take the place-- 24 84 state to take their land when they haven't had any say-go? You CHAIRMAN PURSEL: I can't hear you.
85 just take it anyhow?
25 MR. HUCHEY: -- just pay me for it. Don't relocate me. I go 26 MR. HERRON: We have had no problem in getting in touch with 26 wherever I*m welcome.
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1 it, then it would to down to the Planning Commission for that 1 examination. Now, we are doing this for tw reasons--one, if the report and recommendar ion. plan does become approved and it is nee me, and it will be The Planning Comnission would make that report they are re- 3 necessary, for another hearing to be hold, the starf testimony quired to; if they don't, then it comes back up to the Board of that you have heard during the course of basical, the first and 5 Supervisors, this time as a legislative body - this is a legal term, possibly the second meeting kere can be introduced merely from the but the Board of Supervisors, and it would be the same gentlemen 6 record. You all know generally what it was. If somebody missed 7 but they're sitting as the goverving body of the County of Alameda. 7 something, they can go down te the Redevelopment Agency and then 8 Now, another hearing is Insilly required. This hearing is to 8 they can look through the trans» pt, even if they don't want to 9 provide a public forum, again for the exposure of the plan to 9 buy one, so that this can be done and a won't have to take up a 10 public comment. This hearing must be conducted after four suc- 10 lot of time, your time, the Board's time, with repetitious matter. 11 cessive publications once a week - in other words, a month's pub- 11 Anybody who wishes to speak there could also include - could ask 12 lication four times. Then the hearings are conducted. 12 that his remarks made here be included by reference, and that way 13 Then tie law requires that certain findings must be made. Now, 13 I believe that we could facilitate the whole hearing procedure. 14 there are e an or eight, and they are quite lengthy and I won't 14 Now, this about concludes any remarks that I este to make. 15 go over whe but they are legally required before the plan can be 15 would like to turn this back to the Board. Thanks very much. 18 legally adapied. If those findings cannot be made and the evidence 16 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Lewin. I hope you 17 does not support it, then of course the ordinance which must adopt 17 all understand Mr. Lewist comments and directives as to procedure• 18 a plan could not be passed as legally sufficient. 18 As I understand it, Mr. Lewis, our procedure would be that we 19 But I did want to emphasize that there is going to be another 19 conclude these hearings as of tonight - 20 hearing if the plan is approved, or approved as amended, so you 20 MR. LEWIS: Ies.
21 can watch your newspapers and you can get in touch with the 21 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: - but that we continue this matter to a 22 Redevelopment Agency for any Information on that.
time certain - if it meets with the approval of the Board, on next 26 Now also I would like to mention that not only the Board, the 25 Tuesday's agenda, at 10:00 o'clock. Would that be --
24 Agency, will be afforded the opportunity of examining the trans- 24 MR. LEWIS: Or, Mr. Chairman, if it's the Board's - I suppose 25 cript, but also copies of this transcript will be made available somebody would make a motion, but if the Board - the Agency, excuse 26 to any person or organization, at cost, for the purpose of their 60 me, feels that it would want more time to examine this - I don't ROBERT B. MANNERE, O 8 R
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I whether Mr. Razeto will be able to get this part of the transcript 1 see it does have to be in Oakland - the Board can't sit outside the 2 right away, it may le saveral days before it is typed up, so I City of Oakland. 3 would suggest possibly a week or two weeks, in your judgment, that 3 CHAIRMAN PURSE: Before we rote on che motion, may I ask a is best suitable: question of the Reporter - would the cranscription of these pro- 5 CHAIRMAN PUESEL: May I suggest two weeks from today? 5 ceedings be available for Mr. Murphy and Mr. Hazeto and any other 6 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: That is good. I will move it. 6 Board Member to review within the next week? 7 SUPERVISOR HANMON: Seconded; THE REPORTER: More, or lens than one weak - I will do my best. ?
8 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Mr. Sweency moves, Mr. Hannon seconds, that 8 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Certainly it would give them an opportunity 9 this matter be continuel, to be placed on the agenda two weeks to review it for a meeting before two saurs from today. 10 from today at a regular Board meeting in the Court House. 10 SUPERVISOR SWEENEY: The 5th of February, is that the date? 1I MR. LEWIS: There is one thing more, ladies and gentlemen. It 11 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: All right. There has been a motion and a 12 has been possible to sit out in Hayward here because it is under 12 second that this matter be continued on this agenda for February 13 no reetraction as to where the hearings are to be held, but as far 13 5, said meeting to be held in the Courthouse. Call the nort * the foto of Supervisors is concerned the law requires that they 14 THE CLERK: On that, I notice there is a grieve agues: set 18 Leonduct oper aearings in the County Seat, which is the City of 15 before the Board at 10:30 on February the 5th, how long would yo 25 berland, so unerefore we would probably have to hold the final 16 expect this to last? 17 hearings in the Board's Chambers. Now, if any other larger facility 17 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: What would you suggest, Mr. Lewis? 18 becomes available, that will be considered in our publication of 18 MR. LEWIS: Well, I wish to ask permission of the Chair to make 19 notice. We won't make the same mistake twice, if we can avoid it, 19 additional comments - I'm sorry, things keep coming along. I wish 20 but if it is in the Board Room we will have to establish, I think 30 the record to show that exhibits marked 1 through 3 should be 21 right now, the ground rules - that It will have to be first come 81 changed to read A, B and C, and also that the photographs intro- 22 first serve. 22 duced previously - they were identified as 12 in number; that 23 35
Now, If we can put up additional facilities, there are going to should be changed to be 13 in number, there being numbers 6 and 6-A., 24 be interested people that can't get in, maybe we can provide a 84 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: : Thank you. 25 loudspeaker or something like that - but if we are going to be 25 MR. LEWIS: Excuse me, Mr. Chairman. So ordered? 26 86
faced with that circumstance, I hope you will understand when you CHAIRMAN PURSEL: The record will show as indicated by the ROBERT B. MANNERE, CB R ROBERT. MANNERS, CR
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legal adviser, Mr. Clerk. All right, then, on the motion, Mr.
Clerk, will you call the roll?
3 THE CLERK: I don't have the time on that.
4 CHAIRMAN PURSEL: That the matter be continued to the time of 11:00 o'clock, at the Tuesday meeting, February 5th, of the Board of Supervisors, in the Courthouse in Oakland.
(Roll was called; Ayes, 4 - Noes, none.)
CHAIRMAN PURSEL: Four Ayes, such is the order. So the hearing 1s concluded, and we wai to thank every one of you for your co- 10 operation in helping us conduct these proceedings in an orderly 11 manner.
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33 This is to certify that I, Robert B. Manners, a licensed 18 Certified Shorthand Reporter of the State of California, was 19 present and did take down in Stenograph writing the foregoing 20 proceedings and did thereafter transcribe my Stenograph writing 21 into typewriting, and that this transcript is a full, true, correct 22 and accurate transcription of my said Stenograph writing. 23 DATED: Monday, January 28, 1963.
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