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Q1 Which of the walk street commercial corners do you live closest to? Answered: 43 Skipped: 0
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Dacha – 1221
Highland Ave
Uncle Bill’s -
1301 Highlan...
Ocean View
Café – 229 1...
Slay Italian -
1001 Manhatt...
Tablua Rasa –
919 Manhatta...
Uncorked -
1000 Manhatt...
Noelle
Interiors – ...
Arthur J - 903
Manhattan Ave
Residence –
1215 Manhatt...
Pepe Studio
(Interior...
North End
Caffe- 3415...
Cafe Wild -
3505 Highlan...
Sea View Inn –
3321 Highlan...
Sea View Inn –
3401 Highlan...
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0.00% 0
18.60% 8
11.63% 5
23.26% 10
18.60% 8
13.95% 6
13.95% 6
13.95% 6
30.23% 13
4.65% 2
4.65% 2
6.98% 3
2.33% 1
2.33% 1
Total Respondents: 43
ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES
Dacha – 1221 Highland Ave
Uncle Bill’s - 1301 Highland Ave
Ocean View Café – 229 13th St
Slay Italian - 1001 Manhattan Ave
Tablua Rasa – 919 Manhattan Ave
Uncorked - 1000 Manhattan Ave
Noelle Interiors – 815 Manhattan Ave
Arthur J - 903 Manhattan Ave
Residence – 1215 Manhattan Ave
Pepe Studio (Interior Design) – 803 Manhattan Ave
North End Caffe- 3415 Highland Ave
Cafe Wild - 3505 Highland Ave
Sea View Inn – 3321 Highland Ave
Sea View Inn – 3401 Highland Ave
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27.91% 12
72.09% 31
Q2 Please indicate whether you are a tenant or property owner in proximity to the walk street commercial corner:
Answered: 43 Sk pped: 0
TOTAL 43
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Tenant
Property Owner
ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES
Tenant
P ope ty Owner
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88.37% 38
11.63% 5
Q3 Did you patronize local establishments with temporary outdoor dining during the pandemic?
Answered: 43 Sk pped: 0
TOTAL 43
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Yes
No
ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES
Yes
No
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62.79% 27
37.21% 16
Q4 As a Downtown or North Manhattan Beach resident, did you experience any negative impacts associated with the temporary outdoor dining program?
Answered: 43 Sk pped: 0
TOTAL 43
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Yes
No
ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES
Yes
No
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30.95% 13
52.38% 22
54.76% 23
52.38% 22
40.48% 17
28.57% 12
Q5 As a Downtown or North Manhattan Beach resident, what negative impacts did you experience? (Select all that apply)
Answered: 42 Sk pped: 1
Tota Respondents: 42
# OTHER (PLEASE SPECIFY) DATE
1 Ove c owded wa t ng a eas fo tab es 11/29/2023 7:20 PM 2 Walkab ty was mpacted 11/29/2023 5:51 PM
3 It makes wa k ng down the s dewa k d fficu t when you have to wa k th ough people eat ng. And makes park ng even ha de to find fo es dents who don t have much pa k ng space. I can t have guest ove f there s nowhere fo them to pa k thei cars. 11/28/2023 5:46 PM
4 Park ng s m ted as a downtown es dent as t s. The e was abso ute y no s dewa k oom fo walk ng, pets, st o e s etc. Not ADA comp ant, and god forb d the e was an actua emergency we wou d ve a been t amp ed to death.
11/28/2023 5:45 PM
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
None of the
above
Traffic/Parking
Trash
Noise
Vermin
Other (please
specify)
ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES
None of the above
T affic/Pa k ng
T ash
No se
Ve m n
Othe (p ease spec fy)
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5 Crowded, impassible sidewalks 11/28/2023 5:19 PM
6 ADA violations 11/28/2023 9:34 AM
7 Patrons of restaurants coming over to our fence and interacting with our dog and young children and
11/18/2023 1:19 PM
8 Filth; not just trash. 11/15/2023 12:38 PM
9 We did not have any issues. This proposal only addresses a portion of the opportunity. The outdoor dining we had during COVID was amazing. We want that back! Please! 11/15/2023 7:45 AM
10 Fewer parking spaces available for contractors and guests. 11/14/2023 8:11 PM 11 Side walks filled with heat lamps and tables while restaurants are closed 11/13/2023 11:45 AM 12 Smoking by patrons 11/8/2023 12:48 AM
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44.19% 19
55.81% 24
Q6 Are you supportive of amendments to the Municipal Code and related policies to create outdoor dining opportunities on the two identified walk street commercial corners (i.e., Uncorked and Aviator Nation/Manhattan Denim) that are immediately adjacent to COMMERCIAL uses? Answered: 43 Sk pped: 0
TOTAL 43
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Yes
No
ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES
Yes
No
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30.23% 13
69.77% 30
Q7 Are you supportive of amendments to the Municipal Code and related policies to create outdoor dining opportunities on a limited number of the identified walk street commercial corners immediately adjacent to RESIDENTIAL uses?
Answered: 43 Sk pped: 0
TOTAL 43
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Yes
No
ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES
Yes
No
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76.19% 32
23.81% 10
Q8 Are you concerned about negative impacts walk street commercial uses may have on adjacent residential uses?
Answered: 42 Sk pped: 1
TOTAL 42
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Yes
No
ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES
Yes
No
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32.43% 12
67.57% 25
Q9 If yes, would you be inclined to support the concept if we included measures to minimize impacts to residents?
Answered: 37 Sk pped: 6
TOTAL 37
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Yes
No
ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES
Yes
No
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34.29% 12
51.43% 18
48.57% 17
40.00% 14
54.29% 19
45.71% 16
Q10 Please select measures you would like incorporated into the program if walk street commercial corners are utilized for outdoor dining to help minimize any impacts to adjacent residential uses. (Select all that apply) Answered: 35 Sk pped: 8
Tota Respondents: 35
# OTHER (PLEASE SPECIFY) DATE
1 a of above. 12/1/2023 1:38 PM
2 There are no m t gat on measu es that wou d make hav ng wa k st eet co ners used fo d n ng uses. Th s s use s not des ab e adjacent to es dences pe od 11/29/2023 5:51 PM
3 I don t th nk comme c a spaces shou d be so c ose to es dent a homes, peop e he e have fam es some w th k ds. Everyone dese ves p ivacy and ess no se wh e n the homes. 11/28/2023 5:46 PM
4 None of th s s suffic ent. It s ext eme y se f sh to attempt to mp ement add t onal comme c a 11/28/2023 5:45 PM 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Require sound
attenuation...
Require a
landscape...
Prohibit
outdoor dini...
Limit the
number of...
Require
notification...
Other (please
specify)
ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES
Requ e sound attenuat on systems/ba ie s adjacent to outdoor d n ng ope at ons Requ e a andscape buffe of 5 to 10 ft from the sha ed property ne to the outdoo d n ng operat ons P oh b t outdoo d n ng ope at ons f om 9:00 PM to 9:00 AM L m t the numbe of seat ng ava able (e.g., 4 seats/100 sq.ft) Requ e not f cat on to ne ghbo ng p ope t es when d n ng operat ons wi be expanded nto wa k st eet comme c al corne s o when the e a e changes n outdoo d n ng ope at ons Othe (p ease spec fy)
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spaces closer to residential homes. People have families here, and we deserve the right to refuse an encroachment on our daily lives and privacy.
5 There s no acceptable way to mitigate all the impacts to residents, or to the downtown character
11/28/2023 5:19 PM
6 Should not be used commercially under any circumstances 11/27/2023 8:06 PM 7 Strict requirements for trash management. Fines for trash/food scraps not cleaned before closing.
11/25/2023 8:05 PM
8 I don’t believe the City can or will mitigate the negative impacts 11/21/2023 12:23 PM 9 No outdoor dining on walk streets No 11/21/2023 12:16 PM 10 Pay damages to neighboring residential property owners for the nuisance and the decrease in their property value caused by Municipal code change
11/17/2023 12:34 PM
11 No walk street outdoor dining 11/17/2023 8:29 AM
12 Sea View Inn— no f&b services available close by? 11/16/2023 11:13 AM 13 We don’t need any of these. A few tables on the walk streets isn’t a huge deal. 11/15/2023 7:45 AM 14 Prohibit it completely. It’s a law that the residents fought for and should be respected. 5-10 feet isn’t high enough. None of this addresses having large numbers of people basically sitting in your backyard. 5-10 feet is not a high enough barrier. There is no way to avoid the noise. This entire push to take advantage of pandemic policies to steamroll the residential tenants and landowners is disgusting.
11/14/2023 8:11 PM
15 I do not want walk streets used for dining period. 11/13/2023 5:17 PM 16 Bring back the outdoor dining in the parking spots 11/13/2023 3:36 PM Utilizing Walk Streets for Outdoor Dining
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45.45% 10
63.64% 14
72.73% 16
Q11 Please select dates that you are available to attend a virtual focus group meeting to further discuss this topic:
Answe ed: 22 Sk pped: 21
Tota Respondents: 22
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Tuesday,
November 28 ...
Wednesday,
November 29 ...
Thursday,
November 30 ...
ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES
Tuesday, Novembe 28 at 4:00 PM
Wednesday, Novembe 29 at 4:00 PM
Thu sday, Novembe 30 at 4:00 PM
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Q12 If you are able to participate, please provide your email address so we may send you an invite:
Answe ed: 20 Sk pped: 23
# RESPONSES DATE
1 11/29/2023 5:40 PM
2 11/28/2023 5:45 PM
3 11/28/2023 5:19 PM
4 11/28/2023 9:34 AM
5 11/25/2023 8:05 PM
6 11/21/2023 12:23 PM
7 11/21/2023 12:16 PM
8 11/21/2023 10:33 AM
9 11/20/2023 3:17 PM
10 11/18/2023 4:49 PM
11 11/18/2023 8:14 AM
12 11/17/2023 12:39 PM
13 11/17/2023 12:34 PM
14 11/15/2023 12:38 PM
15 11/14/2023 9:22 PM
16 11/14/2023 8:11 PM
17 11/13/2023 7:16 PM
18 11/13/2023 4:41 PM
19 11/13/2023 1:58 PM
20 11/13/2023 11:21 AM
Walk Street Commercial Corner Outreach _ Virtual Focus Group Summary • Sidewalk dining is the least impactful among the public right-of-way outdoor dining options • Outdoor dining impacts on residents are worse when it occurs on public right-of-way compared to private property
Input from participating residents on utilizing a limited number of walk streets for outdoor dining • The commercial use of walk streets has been discussed in the past, which led to codifying such activity as prohibited
• There has been a long-standing prohibition on commercial use of walk streets for a reason and there has not been significant interest in changing that status quo • This idea should not have been initiated to begin with and residents oppose amending the code • This will only benefit two businesses (i.e., Slay Italian and Arthur J’s in which Slay Italian has indicated to residents that they are not interested); and the relationship residents have with them may be harmed if they operate on walk streets
• There is an issue of fairness as it only benefits a very small number of businesses since a majority of other businesses will not have the same opportunity; it will only make that small fraction of eligible businesses happy at the expense of residents being negatively impacted • Most people like outdoor dining but not necessarily in this form; it should be on private property and not public right-of-way
• Generally, residents on walk streets often interact with people passing by their front yards who compliment how charming the City is to have such walk streets. If outdoor dining is allowed on these walk streets, the leisurely walks by the public will be negatively impacted too • The boundary between private and public property is blurred on the walk streets which will be more difficult to delineate if outdoor dining is allowed • There are no mitigation measures available if the code is amended to allow for outdoor dining on walk streets
• Unless the outdoor dining space is designed and placed strategically, impacts from outdoor dining operations will be difficult to mitigate
• The City is designed for a certain scale and character where the public right-of-way is meant for public use; not privatization
• Appears to be giving restaurants preference and priority over residents • Allowing walk street dining will further take away existing retail as restaurants will be favored over other businesses
• It will take away the beautiful landscaping along walk streets and completely change the character of the City
• Encroachment into walk streets for outdoor dining is taking it a bit too far; walk streets should be protected as it is
Main reason in opposing the idea of outdoor dining on select walk street commercial corners, as identified by participating residents
• The residential block will be negatively impacted with view impairment, noise, vermin, delivery/garage trucks, reduced property value, privacy, and quality of life. • Rodent and pest issues that were non-existent are now a problem without permanent outdoor dining, which could get worse with more outdoor dining nearby • We currently have issues related to intensification of use such as noise, traffic, vermin, crowded sidewalks, all of which will get worse
• The distance between commercial uses and residents are really close in Downtown, especially along walk streets which will have severe impacts to quality of life and property value Walk Street Commercial Corner Outreach _ Virtual Focus Group Summary • Businesses come and go but residents stay put for a long while • Do not believe businesses will cooperate to mitigate their impacts on residences • It will be an intensification of use which will change the character of the residential block and harm the small town vision the residents have been trying to preserve and balance • The block along Uncle Bill’s is not an attractive walk street even though they only operate until lunch with no alcohol served; it will be worse if operating hours are allowed between 9am to 9pm • Current regulations on walk street improvements such as hedge height limitations will not offer any or enough privacy for residents if businesses utilized walk streets for outdoor dining
Aspects of the temporary program that were particularly noteworthy or should be avoided, as described by participating residents
• Outdoor dining was ok during COVID since we needed to adapt to the emergency order and it has helped some businesses even thrive while others had a difficult time and had to eventually close their business
• There is no reason to create an outdoor dining program since COVID is over; it was intended to temporarily help restaurants survive and is currently not warranted • It was wonderful to dine outdoors during COVID but will not do so at the same establishments now which currently have sidewalk dining as they do not wish to dine next to moving pedestrian and vehicle traffic; long-term outdoor dining is not for this City • Most residents made special accommodations during COVID to allow temporary outdoor dining that intensified the use of existing infrastructure in Downtown • The amplified music from restaurants were an issue related to noise
Other comments pro
vided by participating residents
• Objection to the targeted outreach process and survey questions, which appear biased • Questioned the scope of outreach as residents outside of the same block as the walk street commercial corners will be impacted too
• City should be careful when analyzing the survey results in terms of quantification • Outdoor dining may be preferred by the public half of the year since when it gets chilly outside, people tend to dine indoors; not sure how economically feasible it is to invest in outdoor dining space when it will not be used all year round
• The residents who will be most impacted are not represented by a majority of the Task Force and City Council members so they may not fully understand these concerns • Based on past experience, there can be conditions imposed and agreements to mitigate impacts but they are not followed through by the applicants and the residents become the enforcers • Residents have worked long and hard to find the balance we have today and it should be maintained
• The City should also consider achieving a better balance between restaurants and other commercial uses
• Requiring trash enclosures is one thing but does not help with rodents when the trash bins stay open
• It should be mandatory for the establishments to clean and maintain their store front on a daily basis
• Parking is an issue that will be exacerbated; consider providing parking alternatives for employees off-site