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2. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CLOSED SESSION ITEMS 3 1 0 1
2. PUBLIC COMMENTS
At this time, members of the public may address the Council on matters not listed on the agenda within the subject matter jurisdiction of the City Council, provided that NO action may be taken on off-agenda items unless authorized by law. Public Comments are limited to three (3) minutes per speaker unless a different time limit is announced. 1 0 1 0
8.1. Receive and file the Citywide Sustainability Plan developed in collaboration with Chapman University's Environmental Science and Policy Division and the community established Orange Sustainability Group.
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8.6. Introduction and First Reading of Ordinance Nos. 08-24 and 09-24 amending Chapter 2.10 of Title 2 of the Orange Municipal Code relating to campaign contribution limits and contributions from committees. (Continued from April 23, 2024)
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8.7. Fiscal Y ear 2024-2025 General Fund Budget Balancing Proposal. 38 0 37 0 Agenda Item: eComments for 2. PUBLIC COMMENTS
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Submitted At: 4:01pm 05-14-24
I would like to have the parking permit program reinstated. My neighbors and I have been waiting for some relief since last October when we tried to get this established, and we are still in the same position. We are on Trenton Avenue, where several surrounding blocks and 75% of the street on Trenton is permit parking only. This has pushed all of the renters in the apartments at the opposite end of Trenton and on Shaffer to our part of the street, preventing us from parking in front of our property, putting our trash cans out on trash day, and leaving no room for our visitors to park. Meanwhile, the permit parking section of our street and the surrounding permit parking streets are pretty much empty. Can we have an update on when this program will be re-established? If it will not be continued, will the permit parking be stopped on the rest of the street and throughout the neighborhood? Adrienne Gladson
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Submitted At: 2:37pm 05-14-24
I sent a comment on a later item, 8.7. The system only let me attach one photo. I am attaching the second photo here.
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Submitted At: 12:56pm 05-14-24
I was born in this city. It has so much potential and should not be in a deficit. Please consider reaching out to Strong Towns strongtowns.org
Roads lose cities money. They eventually need to be resurfaced and sprawling suburbs don't create the revenue to fix them. Revenue is made in the city center.
Old Towne Orange should be entirely pedestrianized. And the rest of the city should start modernizing/urbanizing.
Wide streets like Chapman Ave could benefit from a street car and separated bike paths. We need better infrastructure. We need mixed-use infrastructure. Please think about people and not just cars. Children, the elderly and those with disabilities should have the freedom to move around the city.
As a child, I loved walking from St. John's to Chapman University (where my mom worked). The narrow streets and dips actually slow down cars and make for a peaceful walk.
As a teenager, I hated walking to El Modena High School from my home South of Chapman Ave. No one enjoys crossing a major road. It's noisy and with the current street design, it can be deadly.
I didn't mind biking to my first job (working for the city) from east Orange to Hart Park. But I definitely wouldn't dare to attempt that ride now that I've been behind the wheel of a car.
I didn't mind taking a bus to SCC but that's probably one of the most reliable bus lines in the city. And I only had to take it for 4 miles.
Use Carmel Indiana as an example
https://youtu.be/Dh5gY_4SXUw?si=HAc9h8Z3g7-x44bM
Agenda Item: eComments for 2. PUBLIC COMMENTS
At this time, members of the public may address the Council on matters not listed on the agenda within the subject matter jurisdiction of the City Council, provided that NO action may be taken on off-agenda items unless authorized by law. Public Comments are limited to three (3) minutes per speaker unless a different time limit is announced.
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Submitted At: 12:42pm 05-14-24
Joel Robinson, 5907 E Valley Forge Dr, Orange, CA 92869, 714-639-8480, [email protected].
Please accept the three attached documents (PDF) submitted via email as public records of the "No Orange Heights" (NOH) petition, which currently shows 14,590 signatures in opposition of The Irvine Company's 1180 single family home proposed development of the 400 acres of wildlife habitat between Irvine Regional Park and Peters Canyon Regional Park. The petition asks the Mayor and City Council to require The Irvine Company to draft a new Environmental Impact Report (EIR), since the baseline environmental review data is out of date and does not take into consideration the current significant impacts related to wildfire, traffic congestion, special status species, culturally sensitive prehistoric archaeological sites, pollution, recreation, health, safety, sustainability and quality of life.
Document_A_NOH_Petition_5-14-24 = Title and number of signatures.
Document_B_NOH_Petition_Signatures_5-14-24 = Full list of signatures.
Document_C_NOH_Petition_Map_5-14-24 = Map showing 62% of supporters come from this area. Top zip code(s) with the most supporters: 92869, 92867, 92620.
Please confirm that you have received the three NOH petition documents attached to this email and included them in the public record as of May 14, 2024.
Agenda Item: eComments for 8.1. Receive and file the Citywide Sustainability Plan developed in collaboration with Chapman University's Environmental Science and Policy Division and the community established Orange Sustainability Group.
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Submitted At: 3:35pm 05-14-24
I want to commend the city for taking on this important task. There are many ways this will benefit the city and its
residents. From many state and federal grants to (hopefully) creating more green areas for residents to enjoy. I look forward to seeing what comes of this.
Thank you (and the Chapman Environmental group) for your work on this important task.
Bill Melcher
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Submitted At: 2:59pm 05-14-24
Thank you to council for showing leadership in taking on a city sustainability plan. I urge you all to prioritize working to implement the key recommendation in the plan.
Agenda Item: eComments for 8.6. Introduction and First Reading of Ordinance Nos. 08-24 and 09-24 amending Chapter 2.10 of Title 2 of the Orange Municipal Code relating to campaign contribution limits and contributions from committees. (Continued from April 23, 2024)
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Submitted At: 2:20pm 05-12-24
Dear Mayor Slater and Council Members,
I am submitting a comment to Agenda item 8.6.
I oppose all 3 items under this proposal. Our city made a change to district elections, this alone should reduce the cost of running an election. I realize some costs have gone up, such as postage and printing, but none of these costs should be too severe. There are less people to reach, and we need to not increase the limit. The number of big donors, i.e. over $1000, rarely make up the big percentage of any local campaign, so keep the limit to $1000.
If a person is running a campaign for mayor, maybe it is appropriate to increase the amount to $1200.
Thank you for your consideration,
Mary Dargatz
2534 E. Burly Ave.
Agenda Item: eComments for 8.7. Fiscal Year 2024-2025 General Fund Budget Balancing Proposal.
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Submitted At: 5:59pm 05-14-24
Eichler homes are a labor of love, time and money to keep them preserved.
As a responsible Eichler home owner we don’t just try to maintain the houses in the state we bought them. We try to bring them to a state where they will be enjoyed for many years to come. Where people drive through the neighborhood feeling driving down memory lane, rather than seeing a sad shadow of a decaying long forgotten piece of Architecture.
The Mills Act helps in offsetting these maintenance efforts, but by no means covers them. The city benefits by creating attractive neighborhoods that are one of a kind.
Therefore I oppose the Moratorium and hope for understanding of the City council to keep what makes the City of Orange a unique experience.
Andre Franco Luis
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Submitted At: 5:55pm 05-14-24
I strongly oppose the proposed moratorium on the Mills Act program in Orange. Investing in restoring and maintaining these homes boost property values. These historic neighborhoods are what draw so many people to live here. Please do not alter these contracts!
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Submitted At: 5:49pm 05-14-24
As the owner of a historic property, I oppose any changes to the Mills Act program unless the city provides data to show that such changes will meaningfully impact the city’s budget. Any such proposal should be put up to a vote prior to instituting changes to the Mills Act. Our family takes pride in living in a historical home and preserving local heritage.
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Submitted At: 5:47pm 05-14-24
As a homeowner in the Eichler historic district and a Mills Act participant, I strongly oppose any moratorium without further evaluation and public review of the financial impact by the city. Additionally, there needs to be public review and comment periods related to any changes to existing Mills Act contracts. As others have mentioned in their comments, we entered into our agreement with the city to invest in the maintenance and upkeep of our historic property and have upheld our commitments. The assumption is that the city entered into the agreement with a full understanding of the financial implications of adopting the Mills Act and planned accordingly when doing so.
For all of the process and discourse required to adopt the program, it would be disappointing if any decisions were made to alter or eliminate it now without similar review and discourse.
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Submitted At: 5:44pm 05-14-24
I can understand if the city needs to put a hold on approving additional Mills Act properties going forward. I cannot understand how any existing Mills Act contracts can be altered during the specified period which both parties to the contract agreed to in writing. In some cases, property owners may have already spent the money to completely fulfill their obligation under the contract believing the city would live up to their end of the deal.
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Submitted At: 5:36pm 05-14-24
I oppose the proposed moratorium on the Mills Act program in Orange. While budget constraints are a concern, altering existing and future Mills Act contracts without comprehensive studies of its economic impact could jeopardize our city's historic preservation efforts. The Mills Act is vital in incentivizing property owners to invest in restoring and preserving historic buildings, enhancing neighborhood stability and property values. Please prioritize the preservation of our city's heritage by safeguarding the Mills Act program.
Thank you for your attention to this urgent matter.
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Submitted At: 5:28pm 05-14-24
I strongly oppose the moratorium of the Mills Act.
A comprehensive study should be done before making such a decision, especially for a proposed revenue of only 13k!
The city of Orange is rich in architectural history, thanks to the Mills Act! Stopping, or limiting the number of applications/contracts would be detrimental to our city’s architectural heritage.
In addition, those who are already under a Mills Act contract, like myself, have already greatly invested in preserving our historical homes due to the incentives the Mills Act provides; not to mention, it’s a legally binding contract.
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Submitted At: 5:27pm 05-14-24
It seems to me it would do more harm than good to change the Mills Act. Myself and my neighbors who live in historic homes have invested in restoration because of the Mills Act. Have there been any studies to show that repealing the Mills Act will actually save the city of Orange money? Orange has been proud to be at the forefront of saving and rehabilitating historic homes. What a shame to lose that distinction because the city MIGHT save money.
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Submitted At: 5:24pm 05-14-24
I oppose any changes to the Mills Act. Trying to tie the Mills Act to the budget deficit without ANY data is ridiculous and counter productive. Without Mills the city stands to lose parts of what makes it special.
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Submitted At: 5:16pm 05-14-24
I strongly oppose any alterations to the Mills Act program! I was born and raised on Orange, now I live in the city and own a historic home. The Mills Act has been a benefit to continue to preserve the historic homes’ character and to contribute to the value of the neighborhood. This is a common sentiment of our neighbors who have Mills Act contracts. PLEASE DO NOT ALTER THE CONTRACTS TO THE DETRIMENT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS!
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Submitted At: 5:15pm 05-14-24
I absolutely oppose any changes of the Mills Act Revenue after it was agreed that we would it be active for 10 years. We have really followed all the guidelines during renovations according to the The Mills Act and also one of the many reasons why we purchased the property.
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Submitted At: 5:08pm 05-14-24
I wholeheartedly disagree with the proposed sale of the Taft Branch of the Orange Public Library. This is merely a band-aid for a much more complex mismanagement of city funds. If this branch is closed and the land is liquidated, this densely populated area of Orange will be completely underserved without these important services in the near and distant future.
Given the list of public services and activities that are on the council’s chopping block, it makes it clear that the Taft Branch is an even more valuable asset for our community members. This library does not exist as merely a line item: the branch is a neighborhood safe haven. It is imperative that this library, as well as all our city libraries remain open and available, provide access to literature, information and services to ensure equity and foster democracy in the city of Orange.
I implore the city council members to reconsider the closure and sale of the Taft Library. Y our decision will far outlast your tenure and its repercussions will be multigenerational. Make the conscientious choice and remove the closure and sale of this library from your expenditure reduction ledger! Victoria Owens
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Submitted At: 5:01pm 05-14-24
As an Orange taxpayer and owner of a historic property, I do not support any changes to the Mills Act program.
We entered into a 10-year contract with the city and have held up our end, and the City should hold up its end of the contract. The Mills Act program allows owners to invest in making their homes and neighborhoods (and therefore the City of Orange) beautiful which helps to maintain high property values and the City's unique architectural heritage. The Council should facilitate comprehensive studies about the program's impact before considering any major changes.
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Submitted At: 4:52pm 05-14-24
I strongly urge the Council to NOT change the Mills Act program. The heart of Old Town Orange is the historic homes. No longer helping to maintain these homes will do irreparable harm to the city's long term health. Without the Mills Act support, Orange will usher in a wave of tearing these homes down for more apts for Chapman students. Keep the Mills Act in place!
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Submitted At: 3:12pm 05-14-24
I oppose the reduction of the Mills Act Revenue especially without data to back this decision. The Mills Act was a huge reason we ultimately decided to purchase a home in Orange. We have spent a large sum of money restoring our home according to Mills Act guidelines- and made expensive restorations we might not have otherwise done because of Mills Act requirements.
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Submitted At: 2:58pm 05-14-24
We’ve already started home improvements based on the Mills Act investment incentives. The only way the budget made sense was based on the property savings the Mills Act provided. Removing this from existing approved applicants puts undo hardship on people and families.
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Submitted At: 2:56pm 05-14-24
The Mills Act was a huge defining reason we purchased a home in Orange because we wanted to own an Eichler. We anticipate this being our forever home and have created a long term plan on restoring this home based on the Mills Act. Please keep this program in tact.
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Submitted At: 2:56pm 05-14-24
As an Orange resident and owner of a historic property, I do not support any changes to the Mills Act program unless the city provides data to show that such changes will meaningfully impact the city’s budget. In addition, the city must present a proposal that is put up to a vote prior to instituting changes to the Mills Act. Astonishing and disappointing to see such an important program silently added to the agenda.
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Submitted At: 2:55pm 05-14-24
I oppose the Mills Act revenue reduction. The short term gains are not worth the value the homes and communities bring the city as a whole.
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Submitted At: 2:51pm 05-14-24
The Mills Act is a vital measure and tool to ensure that our historic structures are preserved. We have an amazing amount of history in Orange County and should not let a short-sided fiscal benefit put that in jeopardy.
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Submitted At: 2:49pm 05-14-24
I oppose Mills Act revenue reduction: Both the Old Town and Eichler neighborhoods, because of the Mills Act long term enhancements have benefited the City's revenue yearly due to their increased home value (desirable).
Residences in these neighborhoods sell for about $200,000 more per unit than surrounding out of area properties. This increased value especially on recently sold units generate about $2000 per year in property taxes above the norm (outside area). The long term tax benefit neutralizes the direct loss of revenue lost to the City by Mills Act recipients. A moratorium or cancellation of the Mills Act, may yield short term gains for the City, but continuing it has also yields higher property values generating tax revenue for the City.
I recommend that the CIty consider this and further evaluate this benefit before approving a moratorium on the Mills Act.
Steven Prothero
Eichler Owner, Architect, Orange Design Review past chair Adrienne Gladson
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Submitted At: 2:30pm 05-14-24
Oath and Honor. Rare these days. It is also hard to face the truth. Much easier to pretend. We must get to the bottom of how we got here. Accountability requires courage to do the right thing even if you are alone. In my three decades + working in government, it's not the initial mistake that harms an organization, it's the actions taken to hide or cover up the matter that becomes the larger failure. Trash gate, the County bankruptcy and the stadium dealings in Anaheim are three specific examples where a cover-up caused distrust.
I checked out Ms. Cheney's memoir and warning from Taft library last Friday (attached photos). I suggest you add it to your reading list. I wasn't shocked to read "the only thing that matters is winning" is the title of the first chapter. So glad we have great library resources in Orange. I do not support closing and selling the Taft Library or any other city-owned property. It fixes nothing long-term. Once the peoples land is gone it's gone forever.
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Submitted At: 2:12pm 05-14-24
I’ve carefully planned my whole retirement around a budget which includes the promised Mills Act tax rate. A tax increase would cause me harm.
This includes investing hundreds of thousands of dollars - out of pocket - into my Mills Act home and ADU which I’m currently planning to build. Please keep in mind, that improving the historical districts keeps the neighborhoods more desirable in the long run.
We Mills Act participants are investing heavily into the city of Orange, and it would be a shame to now be penalized for doing so, and see the vast improvements on structures go away. - Rolly DeVore
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Submitted At: 2:06pm 05-14-24
As someone who lives in Old Towne and has invested in restoring my historic home which I am able to do because of the savings I receive from the Mills Act program I do not support changes to the program. It is a very important program to help preserve our wonderful historic district. Please do not take this away. I know many buyers who I have helped purchase a property in Old Towne and the only way they were able to afford the home was because of this program. Lets continue making Old Towne a wonderful place to live and continue to give buyers a chance to live here.
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Submitted At: 1:56pm 05-14-24
Please protect the little pieces of history Orange County has and keep the mills act in tact.
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Submitted At: 1:54pm 05-14-24
We moved from Long Beach to Orange JUST to get our Eichler in 2020. That was our draw to the community along with the uniqueness of the Orange Circle and the beautiful craftsman homes.
The Mills Act contract was helped seal the deal for us as we knew our home would need substantial work over the next 10-20 years to maintain the integrity of the design and home. Which helps offset the high costs of maintaining historic properties. The Mills Act allows us and encourage owners to invest in their homes maintaining their unique character and integrity for the future. Without support Orange’s historic properties are at risk of not being cared for as newer buyers pay so much for these homes and the Mills Act allows space to assist with all these costs to maintain them. These Old Town Orange and Eichler homes is what sets Orange apart from other cities. Please don’t change this program.
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Submitted At: 12:34pm 05-14-24
Stop driving us away
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Submitted At: 11:25am 05-14-24
These old homes need to be protected. Things like the Mills Act do just that! The upkeep of them can be very hard and costly. Any break we can get is much appreciated. As a young homeowner, I would not have been able to afford a home in Orange if it were not for these types of programs. We are all suffering from these high prices. strongly oppose!!
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Submitted At: 11:03am 05-14-24
I support the position and questions posed by Adrian Turner. I am against the idea of permanently terminating the Mills Act Program, but understand that a temporary moratorium, or limitation of new participants in the program may be necessary. To re-emphasize before taking any action we would like to see the city answer the following questions:
* Is the intent to place a limit on the total number of MA applications to 20 per year? * Or is the intent to completely freeze the program to any new applications? If the latter, would this be a temporary or permanent freeze?
* More generally, what is the fiscal impact of the program? Do we have current data on positive and negative impact to the city?
The Mills Act has had a substantial positive effect on our neighborhood and the community in general. To terminate it or alter it unnecessarily will have a negative impact in the long term. Please consider the longer term impact of changing this program without data to support the outcomes.
Dean S., 92865
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Submitted At: 10:38am 05-14-24
The character of the Eichler neighbourhoods and the Orange Circle make Orange unique and worth living in. The increase in revenue is not worth the risk in loosing this uniqueness. As a young family we and our friends walk to and use the library on Taft on a weekly basis . The accessibility for these public resources is so important. Please find ways to increase revenues in different areas that don't impact the life of families already struggling.
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Submitted At: 10:25am 05-14-24
A moratorium on the Mills Act for $13,000? This will backfire. Historical properties, gathering places like Orange Circle, public resources like Taft Library, and the communities that they build are what make Orange unique and a desirable place to live. Without them, what will be the draw? I chose to live in Orange over Irvine for a reason.
Please do not remove what has given our city character and pride for so many years, which is essentially what you will be doing if you halt the Mills Act program or sell off public resources like our libraries. What incentive will my children and I have to go for a walk anymore if the surrounding homes are falling apart and the only free place left to spend any time is the park (if it's not too hot or raining)? Guest User
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Submitted At: 10:11am 05-14-24
The Mills Act Moratorium puts the treasured architecture that differentiates the City of Orange at risk. I left Los Angeles to live in Old Towne Orange and currently own an Eichler home.
Our home was designed by Quincy Jones who was one of California’s great architects. It is a beautiful piece of architecture. The innovative construction and high design aspirations of Eichler Homes also creates never-ending maintenance. The flat roofs leak, the wood-siding are attacked by termites, underslab plumbing corrodes and leaks, and the exposed wood beams rot. Repairs require specialized materials and contractors. Maintaining these homes as they were originally designed is expensive! These homes are fragile, and deferring maintenance can lead to irreparable damage.
Mills Act contracts help offset the some of the unusually high costs of maintaining historic properties. These contracts allow and encourage owners to invest in their homes maintaining their unique character for future generations. Without support Orange’s historic properties are at risk of degradation and eventual redevelopment into projects driven by financial returns over design.
Yumna Siddiqi. 3743 E Casselle Ave, Orange
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Submitted At: 10:11am 05-14-24
I am hoping that the City Council will think long and hard about selling the Taft Library Branch and making cuts to Library services. The Taft Library is highly utilized by the community as are Library services and programs. It would be a huge detriment to the City of Orange to decimate all of the wonderful enrichment opportunities that our Libraries provide. Libraries are the heart and soul of communities and should not be sacrificed but supported.
Cathy Smith
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Submitted At: 9:07am 05-14-24
I was astounded to read of all the proposed cuts to the activities that make Orange Orange!! And then to read of the proposed selling of a huge point of service to our residents The Taft Library Branch!! Our libraries provide entertainment, resources and education to all our citizens regardless of means! Think very carefully of the ramifications of taking away so many activities for families that can leave our kids with no meaningful outlets for enrichment!!
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Submitted At: 8:55am 05-14-24
More information is needed regarding the proposed Mills Act moratorium - what exactly is being proposed? Is the intent simply limiting new applicants to 20 per year? What, if any, will the effect be on current Mills Act contracts? What economic impact studies have been performed to understand the short and long term impact of changes to the Mills Act?
The Mills Act is an important historical preservation program that serves our community by encouraging preservation and investment. The restoration and beautification of our community, enabled by the Mills Act is one of the highlights of the City of Orange and as a hallmark program should be studied closely before changes are made.
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Submitted At: 8:35am 05-14-24
Do not mess with the Mills Act. The city has prospered and morphed into what it is today due to the Mills Act.
Since becoming a historical city it has changed from "blighted" to desirable and brought in MORE revenue to the city.
Put an additional tax on restaurant bills. These bills are paid by people who visit our city and use our services while not paying any property taxes.
Sue Vaurs, 251 N. Cambridge St., Orange, CA 92866
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Submitted At: 7:59am 05-14-24
Submitting a revision to an error in my previous comment: "I'm 100% in favor of a *temporary* LIMIT on the number of new contracts (e.g., 20 per year), while fully assessing the fiscal impact of the program -- and implementing changes that makes it more cost-effective and efficient to administer, while in parallel tightening the preservation and restoration emphasis. But I'm opposed to what could be interpreted as a complete and permanent freeze on the program, for any and all prospective new contracts." We ultimately need a clearer understanding of the fiscal impact of the Mills Act program to inform any structural changes.
Adrian Turner
Orange, CA 92869
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Submitted At: 8:47pm 05-13-24
Can you please provide more information to residents on the scope/extent of the proposed Mills Act "moratorium"?
* Is the intent to place a limit on the total number of MA applications to 20 per year? * Or is the intent to completely freeze the program to any new applications? If the latter, would this be a temporary or permanent freeze?
* More generally, what is the fiscal impact of the program? Do we have current data on positive and negative impact to the city?
The Mills Act has been an important program and incentive to preserve and maintain historic properties throughout Orange. There are numerous benefits that the program brings to the city, not just individual property owners.
There are aspects of the program that could and should be honed, while focusing the goals of the program at the same time. I'm 100% in favor of a *temporary* moratorium on new contracts, to fully assess the fiscal impact of the program -- and implement changes that makes it more cost-effective and efficient to administer, while in parallel tightening the preservation and restoration emphasis. But I'm opposed to what could be interpreted as a complete and permanent freeze on the program, for any and all prospective new contracts.