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(Agenda Related Writings/Documents provided to City Council or Staff after distribution of the Agenda Packet for the January 18, 2022 Council Meeting) DATE:
TO:
FROM:
CONTACT:
January 18, 2022
Honorable Mayor and Members of the City Council
Robert Manis, Director of Development Services M
Melody Rocco, City Engineer )}J-
(858) 668-4653 or [email protected]
SUBJECT: Item #13 - A Resolution Approving an All-Way Stop Control at the Intersection of Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road
This item was previously scheduled to be presented to the City Council on November 16, 2021.
In advance of the meeting, notices were mailed to residents living within a 500-foot radius from the intersection, 2,000 feet from the intersection along Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road, and all residents who attended the Traffic Safety Committee meeting regarding this matter.
Notification signs were also posted at the intersection. The item was rescheduled prior to posting of the City Council agenda and staff sent out a notice of the rescheduled item. Attached please find correspondence that was received based upon the original mailed notice and in response to the notice for the January 18, 2022 item.
Reviewed/Approved By:
Wendy Kaserman
Assistant City Manager
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Reviewed By:
Alan Fenstermacher
City Attorney
Approved By:
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City Manager
January 18, 2022, Item #13
January 18, 2022, Item #13
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Subject:
Date:
Archie Pavek
Oty Clerk
November 16, 2021 Meeting
Thursday, November 4, 2021 10:55:39 AM
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Reference to the above subject meeting.
We oppose the All-Way stop control at Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road.
Thanks,
Archie Pavek
13671 Orchard Gate Rd.
2 of37
January 18, 2022, Item #13
From: To: Subject: Date:
Jerry
Mar
kus
Me
lody
Rocco
All-Way
Stop
Control
at
the
intersetion
of
Mart
inco
it and
Stone
Canyon
Roads
Tuesday,
November
9, 2021
9:41:48
AM
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EMAIL
To:
Melody
Rocco
, City
Engineer
From:
Jerome
Markus
, resident
of
Poway
Subject:
All-Way
Stop
Control
at
the
intersection
of
Martincoit.
&
Stone
Canyon
Roads I submit
that
there
is
no
safety
issues
that
have
been
reported
at
this
intersection
and
that
the
cause-celebre
is
the
traff
ic
at
the
times
Painted
Rock
Elementary
School
started
and
ends.
Parents
driving
their
children
to
and
from
school
increase
the
flow
of
traffic
during
those
times
and
either
want
or
need
better
access
through
the
intersection
..
I believe
there
is
a
simple
solution
to
this
issue
that
does
not
require
the
installation
of
a
full-time
traffic
control
light
system.
Presuming
the
traffic
issue
for
dropping
off
and
picking
up
children
is
approximately
30-45
minutes
at
two
times
a
day,
only
during
school
days,
perhaps
the
Sheriff's
Volunteer
Patrol
could
be
used
to
control
traffic
dur
ing
those
limited
times.
This
would
eliminate
the
need
for
the
costly
installation
and
would
not
interfere
with
the
normal
traffic
flow
dur
ing
the
majority
of
the
day.
I would
appreciate
a
response
to
this
email.
Respectfully
,
Jerome
Markus
3 of
37 January 18, 2022, Item #13
From: To: Subject: Date:
Nikki Frampton
Melody
Rocco
All
way
stop
Martincoit
and
Stone
Canyon
Sunday,
November
14,
20211:41:20
PM
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Hello
Me
lody,
Once
aga
in,
I w
ill not
be
attending
the
meeting
clue
to
the
pandemic.
Howeve
r, I would
like
to
provide
my
input
regard
in
g
th
is all-vvay
stop
.
I argued
aga
inst
the
previous
attempt
to
acid
an
all-
way
stop
and
my
feelings
have
not
cha
nged.
1 believe
the
only
people
this
truly
impacts
are
the
res
idents
of
this
neighborhood.
Those
peop
le
who
drive
too
quickly
(mostly
school
traffic)
and
oftentimes
ignore
the
all
way
stop
at
the
bottom
of
Sto
ne
Can
yon
Road
are
not
like
ly, in
m
y
opinion,
to
stop
at
this
ne
w
traffic
measure. Aclclitiona
lly, due
to
the
nurn
.ber
of
cars
who
use
the a
rea
as
a
cut
thro
ugh
during
the
school
run
, the a
ll-way
stop
wi
ll lead
to
a
build
up
of
traffic
at
the junction
leading
to
in
creased
po
llution
in
our
neighborhood.
l wi
ll be
honest
and
say
that
I'm
reall
y
not
sure
of
the
pu
rpose
of
this
proposed
high
way
change
as
it
is
not
an
accident
black
spot
eithe
r. l do
not
see
the
all
-way
stop
sol
ving
th
e
speeding
issue
nor
deter
people
using
this
as
a
cut
throug
h
and
so
I would
like
to
lodg
e
m
y
objection
to
this
plan
.
l will
add
that
r think
thi
s cu
t through
problem
wi
ll
increase
once
the
golf
course
is
de
veloped
across
the
street
fro
m
M
artincoit.
I think
an
easy
solution
to
this
woul
d
be
to
move
the
entrance
of
the
ne
w
de
velopment
, so
drivers
automaticall
y
feed
on
to
the
main
roads
and
not
sid
e
residentia
l roa
ds.
If
this
all
-way
stop
idea
is
in
any
way
an
atte
mpt
to
mediate
future
traffic
, [ objec
t t
o
add
ed
pollution
ca
used
by
the
stop
start
nature
of
rh
e
proposed
stop
.
4 of37
January 18, 2022, Item #13
Tha
nk
yo
u
for
your
tim
e,
N
ikki
When
a man is
denied
the
right
to live
the
life
he
to
believes
in,
he
has
no
choice
but
to
become
an
outlaw
. Nelson
Mandela
5 of37
January 18, 2022, Item #13
From:
Joyce
To:
Melody
Rocco
Subject:
Stop
sign
on
Martincoit
Date:
Friday,
January
14,
2022
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To
Whom
It
May
Conc
ern
,
I have
lived
on
Martincoit
road
since
1995.
The
stop
at
Stone
Canyon
and
Martincoit
has
ALWAYS
been
problematic.
I cannot
count
how
many
times
I have
come
close
to
being
smashed
into
whi
le stopped
at
the
sign
by
drivers
barreling
down
the
hill
and
being
unable
to
control
their
angle
of
the
left
tum
. Additionally,
I have
been
almost
T-boned
by
drivers
tearing
up
the
hill
after
I've
judged
that
no
cars
were
in
the
vicinity
and
attempted
to
tum
left
onto
Martincoit.
I taught
my
4 children
that
when
you're
at
that
intersection
to
make
sure
you're
in
the
middle
of
the
lane
rather
than
near
the
left
side
for
the
above
reason
.
I have
emailed
the
city
council
previously
on
this
issue
.
PLEASE
put
in
a 3
way
stop
sign!!
Thank
you
From
Joyce
Hoffman
16624
Martincoit
Rd
6 of37
January 18, 2022, Item #13
From: To: Subject: Date:
Diana
Bert
i
Me
lody
Rocco
Three
way
stop
signs
at
Martincoit
and
Stone
Canyon
are
a
must.
Friday
, January
14,
2022
12:15:08
PM
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Dear
Mr.
Rocco,
I AM
SO
PLEASED
that
we
are
revisiting
the
concept
of
a three
way
stop
sign
at
Martincoit
and
Stone
Canyon.
This
intersection
is
SO
very
dangerous.
I never
take
a left
off
of
Stone
Canyon
without
turning
my
head
6 times!!
People
fly
down
(north)
Martincoit
coming
from
around
the
blind
comer
and
it
is
SCARY
.
I cannot
attend
the
JAN
18th
city
hall
meeting
due
to
soccer
tryouts
with
my
son,
but
if
I could,
I would
be
there.
I feel
very
passionate
about
this
.
Thank
you,
Diana
Berti,
resident
on
Orchard
Bend
Rd
in
Green
Valley
who
uses
that
intersection
daily
7 of37
January 18, 2022, Item #13
From: To: Subject: Date:
Jill
Underwood
Me
lody
Rocco
Re:
All-Way
Stop
Control
at
Martincoit
Road
and
Stone
Canyon
Road
Friday,
January
14,
2022
12:31:39
PM
EXTERNAL
cMAfL
Thank
you
for
the
update.
I am
probably
in
the
minority,
but
I am
against
the
stop
signs.
No
matter
what
you
do,
people
will
continue
to
drive
they
way
they
do
up/down
Martincoit/Stone
Canyon
with
or
without
the
signs
. The
issue
for
me
is
the
back
up
this
will
create
for
the
streets,
especially
during
the
school
hours
along
both
those
roads.
People
living near
the
comers
will
not
be
able
to
get
in
or
out
easily
with
the
number
of
cars
that
will
be
outside
their
driveways.
It
certainly
isnt
perfect
now,
but
I really
don't
think
the
signs
will
help.
What
would
help
is
if
there
was
a way
to
defer
the
traffic
to
Painted
Rock
not
to
use
Martincoit
and
Stone
Canyon
as
an
access
-planners
should
have
foreseen
this
and
made
a tum-around
point
near
to
the
school.
Also,
I was
misled
to
think
The
Farm
main
access
road
was
not
across
from
Martincoit,
but
would
instead
be
off
Valle
Verde.
Now,
there
will
be
even
more traffic
up
Stone Canyon
and
Martincoit
once
the
development
is
complete.
Planners
should
at
least
reconsider
a way
to
prevent
the
additional
traffic
now
before
it
is
too
late.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Jill
Underwood
P.S.
I am
a dog
walker
and
have
never
had
an
issue
with
the
cars
going
up
and
down
those
streets.
Only
an
issue
at
the
bend
of
Martincoit
going
up
to
Orchard
Bend
when
2 people
have
taken
the
tum
too
quickly
and
crashed
their
cars
into
our
neighbors
fence!
On
Fri,
Jan
14,
2022
at
12:06
PM
Melody
Rocco
<[email protected]
>
wrote:
Good
afternoon,
If
you
are
receiving this
email
then
you
have
contacted
the
City
in
regards
to
the
proposed
all-way
stop
control
at
the
Martincoit
Road
and
Stone
Canyon
Road
intersection.
In
all
likelihood
you
received
a letter
informing
you
that
staff
would
be
presenting
this
item
to
the
City
Council on
Tuesday
January
18 th
.
The
City
has
been
closed
to
the
public
for
the
past
two
weeks
due
to
the
COVID-19
pandemic.
The
City
will
remain
closed
through
at
least
next
week
and
the
City
Council
meeting
has
been
changed
to
a fully
remote
meeting.
You
are
strongly
encouraged
to
attend
the
meeting
remotely
or
to
email
in
your
input.
Any
emails
received
by
myself
or
the
City
Clerk
will
be
provided
to
the
City
Council as
additional
material
to
the
agenda
item.
I also
strongly
encourage
you to
share
this
additional/updated
information
with
your
neighbors
to
ensure
their
voices
are
heard
as
well.
Below
is
a link
to
the
City's
website
where
you
can
access
the
meeting
information
on
Tuesday
night
at
7pm.
https://poway.org/636/Council-Meetings
8 of37
January 18, 2022, Item #13
I appreciate
your
understanding
in
this
change
in
the
City
Council
meeting
and
look
f01ward
to
hearing
your
input
on
this
very
important
item
.
Thanks, Melody Melody
Rocco,
PE,
CFM
City
Engineer
Development
Services
Department
858-668-4653
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37 January 18, 2022, Item #13
From: To: Subject: Date:
Jerry
Markus
Melody
Rocco
Re
: All-Way
Stop
Control
at
Martincoit
Road
and
Stone
Canyon
Road
Friday,
January
14,
2022
1:01:24
PM
EXTERNAL
'EMA
rL
Thank
you
for
the
information
.
I am
NOT
in
favor
of
the
4-way
stop
at
this
intersection
unless
there
is
a history
of
safety
violations
or
accidents.at
the
location
.
Respectfully, Jerome
Markus
On
Fri,
Jan
14,
2022
at
12:06
PM
Melody
Rocco
<[email protected]
>
wrote:
Good
afternoon,
If
you
are
receiving
this
email
then
you
have
contacted
the
City
in
regards
to
the
proposed
all-way
stop
control
at
the
Martincoit
Road
and
Stone
Canyon
Road
intersection.
In
all
likelihood
you
received
a letter
informing
you
that
staff
would
be
presenting
this
item
to
the
City
Council
on
Tuesday
January
18 th
.
The
City
has
been
closed
to
the
public
for
the
past
two
weeks
due
to
the
COVID-19
pandemic
. The
City
will
remain
closed
through
at
least
next
week
and
the
City
Council
meeting
has
been
changed
to
a fully
remote
meeting
. You
are
strongly
encouraged
to
attend
the
meeting remotely
or
to
email
in
your
input.
Any
emails
received
by
myself
or
the
City
Clerk
will
be provided
to
the
City
Council
as
additional
material
to
the
agenda
item.
I also
strongly
encourage you
to
share
this
additional/updated
information
with
your
neighbors
to
ensure
their
voices
are
heard
as
well.
Below
is
a link
to
the
City's
website
where
you
can
access
the
meeting
information
on
Tuesday
night
at
7pm.
https
:/ /poway.org/63
6/Council-Meetings
I appreciate
your
understanding
in
this
change
in
the
City
Council
meeting
and
look
forward
to
hearing
your
input
on
this
very
important
item.
Thanks, Melody Melody
Rocco,
PE,
CFM
10 of
37 January 18, 2022, Item #13
City
Engineer
Development
Services
Department
858-668-4653
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37 January 18, 2022, Item #13
From: To: Subject: Date:
Tammy
Tr
ust
Melody
Rocco
3way
stop
Friday,
January
14,
2022
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Hi We
are
requesting
that
the
intervention
of
stone
canyon rd
and
Martincoit
be
changed
to
a 3
way
stop.
It's a
dangerous
blind
comer
and
people
drive
much
too
fast
coming
down
the
road
on
Martincoit.
It's
extremely
dangerous
and
it needs
to
be
corrected.
Thank
you
Tammy
Trust
Poway
resident
Sent
from
my
iPhone
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37 January 18, 2022, Item #13
From:
To:
Subject:
Date:
[email protected]
Melody Rocco
Stone Canyon & Martincoit Intersection
Friday, January 14, 2022 1:58:05 PM
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Dear Ms. Rocco,
I am a Green Valley resident of ten years and live on upper Sagewood Drive. Just about every day I head out to town for shopping, kids' sports, etc. and pass through the Martincoit-Stone Canyon intersection. While the heading out part is a breeze, coming come is not so breezy.
While turning left from Stone Canyon, I always look to my left, then right, then left and right and maybe once again and finally if it's clear I turn left onto Martincoit. Even with all this precaution, I have still managed to get in the way of cars coming either up or down Martincoit to where either myself or the other driver has had to brake hard to avoid collision. It's very unsafe. I understand now that the City is considering stop signs for that intersection and that it is a controversial proposal. The residents against it are the ones coming down the hill fast with no worry of being broadsided, unlike the residents who live down the hill and are turning left to go home. If the only argument against adding signs is to keep the traffic moving then that would be code for not wanting to spend ten more seconds on their daily commute. The argument for residents turning left is that they don't want to die young. Considering this comparison, I would hope that the City would simply comply and help make our neighborhood be as safe as possible for everyone.
Thank you for your consideration,
Peggy Schultz
13910 Sagewood Drive -Poway
13 of 37
January 18, 2022, Item #13
From: To: Subject: Date:
kwmsrea
lty
Me
lody
Rocco
: kwmsrea
ity@cox
.net
RE
: 3
way
stop
sign
at
Martincoit
and
Stone
Canyon
Friday,
January
14,
2022
2:30:24
PM
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Yes
. I am
in
support
of
the
all
way
stop
control.
Thank
you.
Kay
B.
Williams
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To:
kwmsrealty
<[email protected]>
Subject:
RE:
3 way
stop sign
at
Martincoit
and
Stone
Canyon
Good
afternoon
Kay,
I just
want
to
ensure that
I forward
the
correct
information.
I assume
you
are
in
support
of
the
all-way
stop
control.
Can
you
please
confirm?
Thanks, Melody Melody
Rocco
, PE,
CFM
City
Engineer
Development
Services
Department
858-668-4653
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37 January 18, 2022, Item #13
From:
kwmsrealty
<[email protected]>
Sent:
Friday,
January
14,
2022
2:24 PM
To:
Melody
Rocco
<[email protected]>
Subject:
3 way
stop
sign
at
Martincoit
and
Stone
Canyon
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Have
lived
on
Martincoit
for
16 years
and
have
almost
been
rear
ended
at
that
I
Intersection.
Let's
don't
wait
until
someone
is
hurt.
Let's
correct
the
site
now.
Thank
you,
Kay
B.
Williams
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37 January 18, 2022, Item #13
From:
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Subject:
Date:
Robyn Weller
Melody Rocco
Stop sign
Friday, January 14, 2022 2:37:59 PM
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I am writing in support of the three way stop
sign at the intersection of Stone Canyon and Martincoitt.
It is one of the scariest intersections in our entire neighborhood. I don't really understand how it hasn't been made into one as it is almost a blind hill both up and down.
For the safety of our community I urge you to facilitate the change.
Robyn Weller
Green Valley resident
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January 18, 2022, Item #13
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Nicole
callaway
Melody
Rocco
Martincoit/Stone
Canyon
Stop
Sign
Friday,
January
14,
2022
4:32:34
PM
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Dear
Ms.
Rocco,
I'm
writing
in
support
of
the
stop
sign
that
is
being
proposed
for
Martincoit
and
Stone
Canyon.
I travel
through
this
intersection
almost
daily
and
it
is
a scary
experience
to
tum
left
onto
Martincoit
from
Stone
Canyon.
Even
after
looking
left
and
right
several
times,
you
still
have
to
pull
out
quickly
to
miss
the
cars
that
speed
around
the
blind
curve
. I now
have
a teenage
driver
and
it terrifies
me
how
dangerous
this
intersection
is
for
him.
I cannot
attend
the
January
City
Hall
Meeting,
but
would
like
to
make
it
known
that
I am
in
full
support
of
this
safety
improvement
to
our
neighborhood
.
Thank
You,
Nicole
Callaway
Orchard
Bend
Rd.
Resident
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From: To: Subject: Date:
Mel
Tondro
Melody
Rocco
Re:
Stone
Canton
&
Martincoit
intersection
mitigation
Friday,
January
14,
2022
6:11:18
PM
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Hi
Melody
-
Yes,
I am
in
favor
of
a 3-way
stop.
Thank
you,
Melicent PS:
Pardon
me
for
addressing
you
as
"Mr."
in
my
original
email.
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from
my
iPhone
>
On
Jan
14,
2022
, at
3:56
PM,
Melody
Rocco
<[email protected]>
wrote
:
> >
Good
afternoon
Melicent
,
>
I just
want
to
ensure
that
I forward
the
correct
information
. I assume
you
are
in
support
of
the
all-way
stop
control.
Can
you
please
confirm?
>
Thanks,
>
Melody
> >
Melody
Rocco,
PE
, CFM
>
City
Engineer
>
Development
Services
Department
>
858-668-4653
> > > >
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Tondro
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>
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January
14,
2022
3:51
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Rocco
<[email protected]>
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Stone
Canton
&
Martincoit
intersection
mitigation
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Dear
Mr.
Roccco
-
> >
I just
read
the
posted
notice
at
the
intersection
site,
referenced
above,
regarding
the
meeting
to
discuss
possible
ways
to
reduce
risk
at
this
site.
> >
I recall
strongly
cautioning
my
children,
several
years
ago
when
they
were
student
drivers
, to
always
visually
triple-check
both
directions
of
traffic
before proceeding
through
it -
as
I myself
had
witnessed
close
calls
between
cars
traversing
it.
> >
I'm
unable
to
attend
the
meeting
but
I hope
some
decisions
can
be
made
to
reduce
the
potential
risk
of
danger
at
18 of
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this intersection.
>
> Sincerely,
> Melicent Tondro
> Green Valley resident in Poway
>
>
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19 of 37
January 18, 2022, Item #13
From:
To:
Subject:
Date:
Fisher Ron
Melody Rocco: Melody Rocco
Re: All-Way Stop Control at Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road Friday, January 14, 2022 6:28:34 PM
EXTERNAL EMAIL
Melody:
I would like to make a case that the stop sign is not needed. I would say what should be done, is to lower the speed limit. When I wrote to the traffic engineer before I was told, "The speed limits are set according to what can be enforced." But, the report on actual speeds down and up Martincoit clearly show 10-15 mph AVERAGE above the speed limit. So, obviously, the speed limits are IlQlbeing enforced at all. If the speed were put back to 30--which it used to be--AND if they were enforced, then there would be no need for a stop sign on Martincoit because there is plenty of sight distance for cars stopped on Stone Canyon.
The only time I've remotely had an issue leaving the stop sign on Stone Canyon is when a car was clearly exceeding the 35 mph, by a lot.
Thank for reading this.
But I also assume it's a done deal. I am sure there are more parents who run late dropping their kids off at Painted Rock who hate waiting at the Stone Canyon stop sign.
By the way--were those tiny signs at the side of the road supposed to inform us about the council meeting to discuss this issue? Because those were useless even if you were going 30 mph. Can't even read the one when approaching the stop sign on Stone Canyon. But hey--I guess that's one way to limit participation? Ron Fisher
Acorn Patch Lane
On Friday, January 14, 2022, 12:06:42 PM PST, Melody Rocco <[email protected]> wrote:
Good afternoon,
If you are receiving this email then you have contacted the City in regards to the proposed all-way stop control at the Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road intersection. In all likelihood you received a letter informing you that staff would be presenting this item to the City Council on Tuesday January 18th. The City has been closed to the public for the past two weeks due to the COVID-19 pandemic. The City will remain closed through at least next week and the City Council meeting has been changed to a fully remote meeting. You are strongly encouraged to attend the meeting remotely or to email in your input.
Any emails received by myself or the City Clerk will be provided to the City Council as additional material to the agenda item. I also strongly encourage you to share this additional/updated information with your neighbors to ensure their voices are heard as well. Below is a link to the City's website where you can 20 of37
January 18, 2022, Item #13
access
the
meeting
information
on
Tuesday
night
at
7pm
.
bttps:Upoway
.org/636/Council-Meetings
I appreciate
your
understanding
in
this
change
in
the
City
Council
meeting
and
look
forward
to
hearing
your
input
on
this
very
important
item.
Thanks, Melody Melody
Rocco,
PE,
CFM
City
Engineer
Development
Services
Department
858-668-4653
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37 January 18, 2022, Item #13
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KERRY
SPARK
Melody
Rocco
Martinco
it/Stone
Canyon
stop
signs
Friday
, January
14,
2022
10:12:28
PM
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Hi, I am
writing
with efforts
in
creating
the
Stone
Canyon
three-way
stop
sign.
I completely
agree
that
this
change
is
a necessity
and
an
extreme benefit
to
all
who
travel
on
Stone
Canyon
and
Martincoit
Rd.
This
intersection
as
it
is
now,
is
completely
dangerous
in
both
directions
for
both
parties
involved.
I can't
stress
enough
how
many
times
I have
almost
been
hit
by
speedy
cars
driving
up
Martincoit
while
I was
stopped
on
Stone
Canyon
trying
to
get
on
Martincoit.
And
, this
is
with
my
kids
in
the
car!
It
is
not
ok
.
Even
if
the
cars
going
up
Martincoit
are
not
speeding,
I still
have
to
nervously
turn
my
head
back
and
forth
numerous
times
while
entering
the
road
and
the
whole
time
I'm
still
turning
too
.
With
all
of
this
being
said,
I, along
with
so
many
others,
see
no
reason
to
not
put
a three-way
stop
sign
at
this
intersection.
If
people
want
to
be
safe,
it
is
the
only
option.
I am
glad
to know
that
my
letter
will
be
read
and
considered
at
the
City
Council
meeting
on
Jan
18th
at
7pm
since
I will
not
be
able
to
attend
personally.
Thank
you!
Kerry Spark 16460
Martincoit
Rd
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Date:
Laura Walton
Melody Rocco
Ray Walton
Yes to Stop Sign at Martincoit & Stone Canyon
Friday, January 14, 2022 10:25:24 PM
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Ms Rocco,
I was relieved to see the stop sign at this intersection is being revisited.
The intersection is so dangerous as drivers on Martincoit heading both north and south are typically over the speed limit. The left tum from Stone Canyon is treacherous at times.
Prior to moving to Green Valley eleven years ago we lived in Vineland Hills where a controversial stop sign was added at Valle Verde and Vinter Way. It took more than one serious accident and a death to finally install that stop sign. The neighborhood adjusted accordingly.
Please allow this stop sign; our neighborhood will adjust and we will avoid further accidents or worse.
Best,
Laura and Ray Walton
13947 Sagewood Drive
Poway, CA 92064
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January 18, 2022, Item #13
From: To:
Ellen
Koh
ls
Melody
Rocco
Subject:
Re:
All-Way
Stop
Control
at
Martincoit
Road
and
Stone
Canyon
Road
Saturday,
January
15,
2022
9:24:01
AM
Date: EXTER
AL
EMAIL
I live
at
16414
Martincoit
Rd.
and
would
very
much
like
to
see
a three
way
stop
sign
at
the
comer
of
Martincoit
and
Stone
Canyon.
It
is
hard
to
see
traffic
coming
down
or
going
up
Martincoit
when
I am
trying
to
make
a left
tum
from
Stone
Canyon
into
Martincoit.
Also
my
friend
at
13404
Stone
Canyon,
who
does
not
have
email,
would
like
a three
stop
sign
on
the
comer
of
Stone
Canyon
and
Martincoit.
Her
name
is
Darlene
McEacherin.
Thanks, Ellen
Kohls
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On
Jan
14,
2022,
at
12:06
PM,
Melody
Rocco
<[email protected]
>
wrote:
24 of
37 Good
afternoon,
If
you
are
receiving
this
email
then
you
have
contacted
the
City
in
regards
to
the
proposed
all-way
stop
control
at
the
Martincoit
Road
and
Stone
Canyon
Road
intersection.
In
all
likelihood
you
received
a letter
informing
you
that
staff
would
be
presenting
this
item
to
the
City
Council
on
Tuesday
January
18 th
. The
City
has
been
closed
to
the
public
for
the
past
two
weeks
due
to
the
COVID-19
pandemic
. The
City
will
remain
closed
through
at
least
next
week
and
the
City
Council
meet
ing
has
been
changed
to
a fully
remote
meeting
. You
are
strongly
encouraged
to
attend
the
meeting
remotely
or
to
email
in
your
input.
Any
emails
received
by
myself
or
the
City
Clerk
will
be
provided
to
the
City
Council
as
additional
material
to
the
agenda
item
.
I also
strongly
encourage
you
to
share
this
additional/updated
information
with
your
neighbors
to
ensure
their
voices
are
heard
as
well.
Below
is
a link
to
the
City's
website
where
you
can
access
the
meeting
information
on
Tuesday
night
at
7pm
.
httgs://goway
.org/636/Council
-Meetings
I appreciate
your
understanding
in
this
change
in
the
City
Council
meeting
and
look
forward
to
hearing
your
input
on
this
very
important
item
.
Thanks, Melody Melody
Rocco,
PE,
CFM
City
Engineer
Development
Services
Department
858-668-4653
January 18, 2022, Item #13
From:
To:
Subject:
Date:
Pam K.
Melody Rocco
All-Way Stop
Saturday, January 15, 2022 2:19:37 PM
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Attention: Poway City Council Members
As long time residents on Cricket Hill, parallel to Stone Canyon, we have had several near accidents at the Stone Canyon/Martincoit intersection. Our instructions to our student drivers were unfortunately, "Look left, look right, do both again and then move the car out of the way quickly! and get up to speed so you don't get hit." No responsible parent really wants to train their children to drive that way in order to keep them safe. We also have had serious incidents turning left from Cricket Hill onto Martincoit because of the increasing speed of drivers descending the hill.
When stopped at the Stone Canyon stop sign, a driver is presented with a blind curve to the right which has become even more dangerous with the recent increase in the speed limit on Martincoit Rd. When the speed limit was 25mp, drivers went 35mph. Now that the speed limit is 35mph, drivers go 45mph. This shouldn't surprise anyone who drives! Drivers turning right from Stone Canyon, those who live uphill, have less dangerous situations as their view downhill on Martincoit is unobstructed so it is understandable they may not see the problem.
An All-Way Stop would decrease these incidents. Unfortunately, it would also lead to more congestion at the intersection during heavy traffic times, increase tickets for drivers gliding through the stop sign rather than making a complete stop, and potentially blocking side access roads like Cricket Hill with cars waiting at the stop sign.
A compromise might be to install a speed bump on Martincoit uphill from the Stone Canyon intersection. This would accomplish slowing traffic, allow for continuous flow during heavy traffic times and alleviate ticketing for folks who would find it frustrating stopping when no other cars are at the intersection. Another welcome addition would be a mirror to mitigate the blind curve so drivers could see oncoming traffic.
Our family greatly appreciates the time and effort that has been expended to mitigate this dangerous long term problem. We hope a solution will now be found so we no longer hear the squealing of tires avoiding accidents in our beautiful neighborhood. Everyone's safety is top priority.
Pam & Raj Kirpalani
13404 Cricket Hill
Poway,, CA 92064
858-592-03 77
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January 18, 2022, Item #13
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Subject:
Date:
Cathy Bishop
Melody Rocco
Stone Canyon and Martincoit Stop Sign
Sunday, January 16, 2022 10:45:15 AM
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I live above Stone Canyon and travel down the Martincoit several times a day. The thing that worries me about the stop sign is the blind curve on Martincoit as we head down the hill. If several cars are stopped at the stop sign waiting to tum, it's possible a car traveling down may run into the back of cars waiting to tum. I'm against putting a stop sign at Stone Canyon. One more thing, I have lived here over 40 years, I have heard of only one accident at that intersection and there were no injuries.
There appears to be no good solution. A stop sign benefits the cars coming up Stone Canyon and turning left. Also, it's dangerous for cars coming down Martincoit above Stone Canyon. It's a difficult decision. Hopefully there is a solution that satisfies both parties.
Regards,
Cathy Bishop
26 of 37
January 18, 2022, Item #13
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Jessica
Studarus
Mel
ody
Rocco
Yes
on
stop
sign
at
Martincoit
and
Stone
canyon
Sunday,
January
16,
2022
3:43:38
PM
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Hello, We
own
a home
3 houses
from
the
dangerous
intersection
in
question.
We
expect
the
City
Council
to
make
practical
adjustments
to
the
road
to
maintain
a pro-pedestrian
community
and
family-
safe
roads.
Our
community
is
changing,
traffic
has
increased,
and
a safety
intervention
at
the
intersection
of
Martincoit
and
Stone
Canyon
is
overdue.
To
access
the
walking
and
horse
trails
in
our
neighborhood,
I have
to
cross
this
intersection
(where
I have
nearly
been
hit
as
a pedestrian
multiple
times).
I also
have
to
brave
the
speeding
downhill
traffic
on
Martincoit.
I am
for
whatever
traffic
calming,
traffic
slowing,
pro
pedestrian
interventions
we
can
implement: -create
right
angles
for
the
turns
to
make
clearer
stops
and
to
slow
traffic
-create
a pedestrian
berth
and
a crosswalk.
-create
a walking
berth
on
Martincoit,
narrowing
the
road
and
slowing
traffic
-yes,
create
a 3
way
stop.
Thank
you,
Jessica
Studarus
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From:
To:
Subject:
Date:
J Schock
Melody Rocco
2-Way stop at Martincoit & Stone Canyon
Sunday, January 16, 2022 5:25:48 PM
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City Council,
I am in favor of a stop sign for downhill traffic on Martincoit at Stone Canyon. Commercial vehicles and large SUV s travel too fast and there is limited visibility at the curve. I am not in favor of a stop sign for uphill traffic on Martincoit, traffic travels slower up hill and visibility is not an issue. A sign on the uphill would impede the flow of traffic and is not the issue. The issue is the speed and lack of visibility of the downhill traffic.
Respectfully,
Janice Schock
13618 Sagewood Drive
Poway (Green Valley)
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January 18, 2022, Item #13
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Stephanie
Dunnick
Me
lody
Rocco
Martincoit/Stone
Canyon
Monday,
January
17,
2022
12:13:02
AM
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Writing
to
support
the
need
for
increased
safety
at
this
intersection
.
Stephanie
Dunnick
, Green
Valley
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from
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37 January 18, 2022, Item #13
From: To: Subject: Date:
Nate
Northup
Melody
Rocco
Supporting
3-way
stop
at
Stone
Canyon/Martincoit
Monday,
January
17,
2022
8:27:40
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I understand
that
the
Poway
City
Council
will
be
considering
signage
at
the
intersection
ofMartincoit
and
Stone
Canyon
Road
in
Green
Valley
at
its
meeting
Tuesday
evening
, January
18. I favor
installing
stop
signs
for
all
traffic
at
this
intersection
.
As
a 34-year
resident
of
Green
Valley,
I have
experienced
many
sphincter-tightening
moments
trying
to
navigate
this
location.
I live
on
Rostrata
Road
and
drive
out
to
Pomerado
Road
quite
often.
On
return,
it
is
always
a
challenge
to
make
a left
tum
from
eastbound
Stone
Canyon
Road
to
northbound
(downhill)
Martincoit
due
to
vehicles
coming
up
the
hill
(from
my
left)
or
around
the
sharp
comer
(from my
right)
.
Please
don't
wait
for
the
next-inevitable---crash
at
this
intersection before
taking
action
to
protect
drivers
and
pedestrians.
By
the
way,
doing
this
will
save
the
city
and
its
taxpayers
the
pain
of
a lawsuit,
legal
fees
and
a
settlement
or
verdict
payout
against
certain
"dangerous
condition"
liability.
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From: To: Subject: Date:
kwmsrea
lty
Melody
Rocco
Intersection
at
Stone
Canyon
and
Martincoit
Monday,
January
17,
2022
9:55:54
AM
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I support
stop
signs
at
this
location.
There
is
insufficient
distance
both
north
and
south
on
Martin
co
it
Rd
for
a safe
view
of
oncoming
traffic
when
on
Stone
Canyon
...
I have
been
uncomfortable
turning
at
this
location
for
20 years.
The
only
good
thing
is
that
it
keeps
my
neck
in
good
condition
as
I check
north,
then
south,
then
north,
then
south
... then
step
in
the
gas
and hope
like
hell
that
I make
it.
YES
on
signs.
P L E A S E
!
Chuck
Williams,
16608
Martincoit
Rd
Se
nt
from
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y
Ve
rizo
n,
Sa
m
sun
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smartph
one
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Rocco
Subject:
Fwd:
Add
stop
signs
Date:
Monday,
January
17,
2022
10:32
:00
AM
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I meant
sirs
.
I vote
for
stop
signs.
Peter
Hui
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37 From:
Peter
Hui
<[email protected]
>
Date:
17 January
2022
at
10:26:12
AM
GMT-8
To:
[email protected]
Subject:
Add
stop
signs
Sits, Please add
stop
signs
at
Sone
Canyon
and
Martincoit
Road
.
The
drivers
from
Martincoit
do
not
respect
can't
drivers
from
Stone
Canyon
.
Peter
Hui
16552
Martincoit
Road
, Poway
, CA
92064
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January 18, 2022, Item #13
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B2!2fil.!J Melody
Rocco
Martincoit/stone
canyon
stop
signs
Monday,
January
17,
2022
12:36
:27
PM
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Hi
Melody
,
I live
on
Martincoit
a few
houses
down
from
the
this
location
. We
defin
itely
should
put
a stop
sign
there
. We
have
lived
here
for
over
30 years
and
its
dangerous
for
anyone
driving
, walk
ing,
running,
etc
....
It's
a completely
blind
turn
where,
there
are
thousands
of
times
where
we
make
a left
thinking
there
are
no
cars
coming
down
the
hill
because
you
cant
see
around
that
turn,
then
having
to
brake
and
pull
back
when
a car
appears
out
of
no
where
. You
really
have
to
pay
attention
and
think
twice
making
a
left
turn
onto
Martincoit.
I just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
my
wife
and
I are
all
for
the
stop
signs
to
go
up
.
Thanks
,
Robert Sent
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Date:
Pete Sievers
Melody Rocco
3-way stop on Martincoit Rd and Stone cane Canyon
Monday, January 17, 2022 1:16:04 PM
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Absolutely yes
Thank you
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January 18, 2022, Item #13
From: To: Cc: Subject: Date:
Ray
Wa
lton
Melody
Rocco
Laura
Walton
Re:
Yes
to
Stop
Sign
at
Martincoit
&
Stone
Canyon
Tuesday,
January
18,
2022
8:05:52
AM
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EMAIL
Hi
Ms.
Rocco,
I'd
like
to
add
a note
along
the
same lines.
Every
time
I come
to
that
intersection
I get
nervous
and
hyper-aware
of
the
possibility
ofa
bad
outcome.
And
now
that
we're
parents
of
two
teenage
drivers,
my
concern
about
them
navigating
this
intersection
is
always
top
of
mind
. It's
beyond
time
to
address this
dangerous
intersection
.
Respectfully, Ray
Walton
13947
Sagewood
Dr
Poway
CA
92064
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On
Jan
18,
2022,
at
7:55
AM,
Melody
Rocco
<[email protected]>
wrote:
> >
Good
morning
Laura,
>
Thank
you
for
your
email.
It
will
be
provided
to
the
City
Council
for
consideration.
>
Thanks,
>
Melody
> >
Melody
Rocco,
PE,
CFM
>
City
Engineer
>
Development
Services
Department
>
858-668-4653
> >
-----Original
Message-----
>
From:
Laura
Walton
<[email protected]>
>
Sent:
Friday,
January
14,
2022
10 :25
PM
>
To
: Melody
Rocco
<[email protected]>
>
Cc:
Ray
Walton
<[email protected]>
>
Subject:
Yes
to
Stop Sign
at
Martincoit
&
Stone
Canyon
> >
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don't
often
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> >
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> >
Ms
Rocco,
> >
I was
relieved
to
see
the
stop sign
at
this
intersection
is
being
revisited.
> >
The
intersection
is
so
dangerous as
drivers
on
Martincoit
heading
both
north
and
south
are
typically
over
the
speed
limit.
The
left
tum
from
Stone
Canyon
is
treacherous
at
times.
> >
Prior
to
moving
to
Green
Valley
eleven
years
ago
we
lived
in
Vineland
Hills
where
a controversial
stop sign
was
added
at
Valle
Verde
and
Vinter
Way.
It
took
more
than
one
serious
accident
and
a death
to
finally
install
that
stop
35 of
37 January 18, 2022, Item #13
sign
. The
neighborhood
adjusted
accordingly
.
> >
Please
allow
this
stop
sign;
our
neighborhood
will
adjust
and
we
will
avoid
further
accidents
or
worse.
> >
Best,
> >
Laura
and
Ray
Walton
>
13947
Sagewood Drive
>
Poway,
CA
92064
> >
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37 January 18, 2022, Item #13
From: To: Subject: Date:
Gra
ce
Lieberma
n
Me
lod
y Rocco
Proposed
All-way
Stop
Control
at
Intersection
of
Stone
Canyon
Road
and
Mart
incoit
Road
Poway
Road
Tuesday,
January
18,
2022
12 :25
:00
PM
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To
Whom
It
May
Concern
:
I am
writing
in
support
the
staff's
proposed
All Way
Stop
Control
at
Mart
incoit
Road
and
Stone
Canyon
Road
in
Poway.
I was
heavily
involved
a
similar
proposed
action
in
2014
. I walked
the
neighborhood
, co
llected
hundreds
of
signatures,
met
with
the
Traffic
Safety
Committee,
and
attended
and
spoke
at
City
Counc
il Meetings.
I know
the
staff
was
in
support
of
the
proposal
; and
I talked
directly
with
City
Council
Members
Steve
Vaus
and
Dave
Grosch
who
also
indicated
support.
The
final
vote
of
the
City
Council
did
not
approve
the
proposal.
Wh
ile
we
appreciate
the
restr
iping
of
the
intersect
ion
and
striping
work
completed
at
the
intersect
ion,
that
is
simply
not
enough
.
Here
we
are
almost
8 yea
rs later,
and
it
seems
like
"Groundhog
Day
." Cars
speeding on
Mart
inco
it,
cars
making
left
turns
on
the
Stone
Canyon
barely
slowing
down
or
staying
in
their
lane,
yet
the
danger
at
the
intersection
rema
ins
.
Again
, I support
the
new
effort
to
create
an
All
Way
Stop
Control
at
Martincoit
Road
and
Stone
Canyon
Road
in
Poway.
Sincerely
,
Grace
M
_ Lieberman
13648
Jackrabbit
Road
Poway
, CA
92064
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