City Council
Mayor Diana Gardner Rich
Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman
Councilmember Neysa Hinton
Councilmember Sandra Maurer
Councilmember Jill McLewis
City Manager
Don Schwartz
[email protected]
Assistant City Manager/City Clerk, MMC
Mary Gourley
[email protected]
CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
MINUTES FOR MEETING OF: Tuesday – May 7, 2024
MINUTES FOR Regular City Council Meeting of May 7, 2024 As Approved by the City Council at their regular meeting of May 21, 2024 Please note that these are action minutes only. Detailed raw transcript is attached to the minutes and made a part of the public record. These action minutes are the City’s record of a summary of actions that took place at the meeting. The vote/action is the required information of the meeting actions that took place. Approved minutes are available on the City Council Meetings page.
The public is advised that pursuant to Government Code section 54957.5 all writings submitted to the City and City Council are public records and will be made available for review. 6:00 pm City Council Regular Meeting, In Person – Sebastopol Youth Annex, 425 Morris Street, Sebastopol, CA/Virtual Format (Zoom)
Call to Order: Mayor Rich called the Regular Meeting to Order at 6:05 pm.
Roll Call:
Present: Mayor Diana Gardner Rich
Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman
Councilmember Neysa Hinton
Councilmember Sandra Maurer
Councilmember Jill McLewis
Absent: None
Staff: City Manager Don Schwartz
City Attorney Larry McLaughlin
Assistant City Manager/City Clerk Mary Gourley
Interim Fire Chief Todd Derum
SALUTE TO THE FLAG : Mayor Rich led the salute to the flag.
REMOTE PARTICIPATION UNDER AB 2449 (IF NEEDED): To consider and take action on any request from a Council Member to participate in a meeting remotely due to Just Cause or Emergency Circumstances pursuant to AB 2449 (Government Code Section 549539(f)). None Required.
PROCLAMATIONS/PRESENTATIONS:
The following were presented:
• Proclamation Declaring May 2024 as Drowning Prevention and National Water Safety Month in the City of Sebastopol
• Proclamation Declaring May as Bike To Work Month
• Proclamation Recognizing National Police Week
• Proclamation Declaring May as National Public Works Week • Proclamation Recognizing the 55th Annual Anniversary of Municipal Clerk Week; Declaring the Annual Municipal Clerks Week in Sebastopol
Reference Order Number: 2024-086
STATEMENTS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST: Conflicts of interest may arise in situations where a public official deliberating towards a decision, has an actual or potential financial interest in the matter before the Council. In accordance with state law, an actual conflict of interest is one that would be to the private financial benefit of a public official, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A potential conflict of interest is one that could be to the private financial benefit of a Councilmember, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A Councilmember must publicly announce potential and actual conflicts of interest, and, in the case of actual conflict of interest, must refrain from participating in debate on the issue or from voting on the issue and must remove themselves from the dais.
There were no stated conflicts of interest by City Councilmembers.
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA (FIRST COMMENT PERIOD):
Up to Twenty (20) Minute Time Limit (Two Minutes for up to ten speakers). Additional public comment will be held at the end of the discussion and action items for up to an additional twenty (20) minutes. Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers.
Process for calling on Speakers: Mayor or designee shall ask for public comment as follows: Speakers to be called on in an alternate manner (One speaker in person to be called on first; then one speaker remote to be called on second with additional speakers to be called on in the same manner) based upon the time limit.
The following members of the public spoke during public comment:
• Ernie
• Linda
• Skip
• Admin
• Roman
• Albert
• Barry
• Robert
• Oliver
• Linda
• Molly
Mayor Rich provided remarks on public comments.
City Manager Schwartz introduced Interim Planning Director David Woltering.
CONSENT CALENDAR: The consent agenda consists of items that are routine in nature and do not require additional discussion by the City Council or have been reviewed by the City Council previously. These items may be approved by one motion without discussion unless a member of the City Council requests that the item be taken off the consent calendar.
The Mayor will read the consent calendar items; ask if a Councilmember wishes to remove one or more items from the consent calendar; and then open public comment to the members of the public in attendance. At this time, a member of the public may speak for up to three minutes on the entire consent calendar and request at that time that an agenda item or items be removed for discussion.
If an item or items are removed from the consent calendar, the item shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor or Mayor Pro Tern.
Councilmembers may comment on Consent Calendar items or ask for minor clarifications without the need for pulling the item for separate consideration. Items requiring deliberation should be pulled for separate consideration and shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor or Mayor Pro Tem.
Mayor Rich asked if any Councilmember wanted to remove a consent calendar item.
Councilmember’s Request(s):
Councilmember Hinton and Councilmember McLewis requested item number 6 be removed from the consent calendar.
City staff corrected Item Number 9 and stated the corrected resolution as provided to Council and posted to the city web site.
Mayor Rich opened for Public Comment(s). The following members of the public spoke:
• Kyle
• Linda
MOTION:
Vice Mayor Zollman moved and Councilmember Maurer seconded the motion to approve Consent Calendar Item Number(s) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8 and 9 with corrected Resolution for Agenda Item Number 9. Item Number 6 was removed from the consent calendar.
Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer, McLewis, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
1. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes for Special Meeting – Closed Session Meeting of April 15, 2024 (Responsible Department: City Administration)
City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes for Special Meeting – Closed Session Meeting of April 15, 2024
Minute Order Number: 2024-087
2. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes for Meeting of April 16, 2024 (Responsible Department: City Administration)
City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes for Meeting of April 16, 2024 Minute Order Number: 2024-088
3. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes for Special Meeting of April 23, 2024 (Responsible Department:
City Administration)
City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes for Special Meeting of April 23, 2024 Minute Order Number: 2024-089
4. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes for Special Meeting Closed Session of April 29, 2024 (Responsible Department: City Administration)
City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes for Special Meeting Closed Session of April 29, 2024 Minute Order Number: 2024-090
5. Approval of Contract for Sustainable Transportation Grant (STG) consultant (Fehr & Peers in a contract amount of $260,000); Funding for Contract Provided through Grant Funding) (Responsible Department:
Planning)
City Council Action: Approved Contract for Sustainable Transportation Grant (STG) consultant (Fehr & Peers in a contract amount of $260,000); Funding for Contract Provided through Grant Funding) Minute Order Number: 2024-091
6. Approval of Letter of Support for 2025 Building Code Electrification – Zero Emission (responsible department: Planning)
7. Approval of Vision Zero Resolution for Principles relating to Traffic Safety (Responsible Department:
Planning)
City Council Action: Approved Vision Zero Resolution for Principles relating to Traffic Safety Minute Order Number: 2024-093
Resolution Number: 6584-2024
8. Receipt of Notification of Request to Suspend Recruitment for Upcoming Vacancy on Public Arts Committee (Responsible Department: Planning)
City Council Action: Approved Receipt of Notification of Request to Suspend Recruitment for Upcoming Vacancy on Public Arts Committee
Minute Order Number: 2024-094
9. Approval of Weed Abatement Notification and Setting Public Hearing Date (Responsible Department:
Fire)
City Council Action: Approved Weed Abatement Notification and Setting Public Hearing Date Minute Order Number: 2024-095
Resolution Number: 6585-2024
Police Chief Nelson provided an update on Horizon Shine.
INFORMATIONAL ITEMS/PRESENTATIONS: Informational Items or Presentations are items that are informational only and do not require action by the City Council. Presentations shall be scheduled as necessary for the promotion of an event or service or general information items to the Council and should be limited to ten (10) minutes total in length of item (total length includes questions of Council to presenter and public comment).
NONE
PUBLIC HEARING(s): NONE
REGULAR CALENDAR AGENDA ITEMS (DISCUSSION AND/OR ACTION):
10. Revise the City’s Publicly Available Pay Schedule: Adoption of Resolution Approving Salary Schedule. Per Government Code, new salary ranges for approved positions need to be included into the City’s Current Pay Rates, Ranges and Stipend Resolution (Responsible Department: Human Resources/Administrative Services)
City Manager Schwartz presented the agenda item recommending the City council : Adoption of Resolution Approving Salary Schedule. Per Government Code, new salary ranges for approved positions need to be included into the City’s Current Pay Rates, Ranges and Stipend Resolution.
Mayor Rich asked for questions of staff. The Council addressed questions to City Staff.
Mayor Rich opened for public comment. The following member of the public spoke:
Kyle
City Council Discussion, Direction or Deliberations:
The Council discussed the agenda item and provided comments.
MOTION:
Vice Mayor Zollman moved and Councilmember Hinton seconded the motion to approve Resolution Approving Salary Schedule. Per Government Code, new salary ranges for approved positions need to be included into the City’s Current Pay Rates, Ranges and Stipend Resolution.
Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer, McLewis, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved Resolution Approving Salary Schedule. Per Government Code, new salary ranges for approved positions need to be included into the City’s Current Pay Rates, Ranges and Stipend Resolution.
Minute Order Number: 2024-096
Resolution Number: 6586-2024
11. Representative for California Intergovernmental Risk Authority (CIRA) and Redwood Empire Municipal Insurance Fund (REMIF) Board (Responsible Department: City Attorney/City Administration) City Attorney McLaughlin presented the agenda item recommending the City Council consider Representative for California Intergovernmental Risk Authority (CIRA) and Redwood Empire Municipal Insurance Fund (REMIF) Board.
Mayor Rich asked for questions of staff. The Council directed questions to City staff.
Mayor Rich opened for public comment. The following member(s) of the public spoke:
• Kyle
• Linda
City Council Discussion, Direction or Deliberations:
The Council discussed and considered appointment(s) to the Board.
MOTION:
Mayor Rich moved and Councilmember Maurer seconded the motion to approve Representative for California Intergovernmental Risk Authority (CIRA) and Redwood Empire Municipal Insurance Fund (REMIF) Board. • Councilmember Hinton Primary
• Vice Mayor Zollman Alternate
Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer, McLewis, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved Representative for California Intergovernmental Risk Authority (CIRA) and Redwood Empire Municipal Insurance Fund (REMIF) Board.
• Councilmember Hinton Primary
• Vice Mayor Zollman Alternate
Minute Order Number: 2024-097
12. Discussion and Consideration of Process for Evaluation of City Attorney Proposals (Responsible Department: Human Resources/Assistant City Manager)
Assistant City Manager/City Clerk Gourley presented the agenda item recommending the City Council consider Process for Evaluation of City Attorney Proposals.
Mayor Rich asked for questions of staff. The Council directed questions to city staff.
Mayor Rich opened for public comment. The following member(s) of the public spoke:
• Kyle
• Linda
• Ernie
City Council Discussion, Direction or Deliberations:
The Council discussed the process for evaluation of City Attorney Proposals.
MOTION:
Vice Mayor Zollman moved and Mayor Rich seconded the motion to approve Process for Evaluation of City Attorney Proposals as follows:
• City Council review all proposals and interview all proposers at an open City Council meeting • Interviews to be scheduled during week of May 28th or June 4th • HR consultant to conduct reference checks and to propose questions in one way communication • HR to create process/scoring/criteria
• Direction to staff for HR to be contact and City staff to have no contact with proposers Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer, McLewis, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved Process for Evaluation of City Attorney Proposals as follows:
• City Council review all proposals and interview all proposers at an open City Council meeting • Interviews to be scheduled during week of May 28th or June 4th • HR consultant to conduct reference checks and to propose questions in one way communication • HR to create process/scoring/criteria
• Direction to staff for HR to be contact and City staff to have no contact with proposers Minute Order Number: 2024-098
Item 6 (Removed from Consent Calendar).
Approval of Letter of Support for 2025 Building Code Electrification – Zero Emission (responsible department:
Planning)
Associate Planner John Jay presented the agenda item.
Mayor Rich asked for questions of staff. The Council directed questions to city staff.
Mayor Rich opened for public comment. The following member(s) of the public spoke:
• Linda
• A member of the audience
City Council Discussion, Direction or Deliberations:
The Council discussed the proposed request for a letter of support.
MOTION:
Vice Mayor Zollman moved and Councilmember Maurer seconded the motion to approve Letter of Support for 2025 Building Code Electrification – Zero Emission
Discussion
The council provided additional comments.
Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Maurer, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich Noes: Councilmembers Hinton and McLewis
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved Letter of Support for 2025 Building Code Electrification – Zero Emission Minute Order Number: 2024-092
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA: Two minutes per speaker for up to twenty (20) minutes total for public comments but can be reduced at Mayor’s discretion depending upon the number of speakers or Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers.
The following member(s) of the public spoke:
Wayne
CITY COUNCIL/CITY STAFF REPORTS/COMMUNICATIONS/ANNOUNCEMENTS/FUTURE MEETINGS:
13. City Manager and/or City Clerk Reports: (This will be either verbal reports at the meeting, or written reports provided at or prior to the meeting)
City Manager Schwartz provided an update on current city related items:
Gold Ridge Contract
Last day for Interim Chief Todd Derum – May 9th
Committee review status ongoing
14. City Council Reports/Committee/Sub-Committee Meeting Reports: (Reports by Mayor/City Councilmembers Regarding Various Agency Meetings/Committee Meetings/Sub-Committee Meeting /Conferences Attended and Possible Direction to its Representatives (If Needed) on Pending issues before such Boards. ((This will be either verbal reports at the meeting, or written reports provided at or prior to the meeting)
The Councilmembers reported out on various committees/events/activities.
15. Council Communications Received (Information/Meetings/Correspondence Received from the General Public to Councilmembers) None
CLOSED SESSION: NONE
ADJOURNMENT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Mayor Rich adjourned the City Council Meeting of May 7, 2024 at 9:20 pm to the next City Council Meeting of May 21, 2024 at 6:00 pm, Sebastopol Youth Annex, 425 Morris Street.
Respectfully Submitted:
Mary Gourley
Assistant City Manager/City Clerk
Attachment:
Raw Zoom Minutes
City Council Meeting - May 7, 2024
WE HAVE MUNICIPAL CLERK MARY GOURLEY.
THANK YOU FOR THE RECOGNITION OF MUNICIPAL CLERK, I'M HONORED TO BE HERE ALMOST 30 YEARS SO I REALLY APPRECIATE WORKING FOR Y'ALL.
WONDERFUL, I LOVE THAT COMMENT. GREG JACOBS AND RICARDO REGARDING THE
DROWNING PREVENTION AND NATIONAL WATER SAFETY MONTH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COME BEARING GIFTS. YOU DID NOT, PLEASE.
I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE [ INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ]
START OVER? ANYWAY. OF THOSE 80 YEARS, 40 YEARS HAVE BEEN THE LEARN TO SWIM
PROGRAM WHICH THE CITY HAS ALSO SUPPORTED BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE WESTERN SONOMA COUNTY SWIMMERS RUNNING THE POOL FOR THEM. THAT PROGRAM HAS TAUGHT 13,000 KIDS SWIMMING LESSONS FOR FREE FROM THE SECOND GRADERS IN THE SEBASTOPOL AREA . YOU HAVE HEARD THE DROWNING STATISTICS. F HAD GONE DOWN TO THE POOL, MAYOR GARDNER RICH WITH THE 200 SECOND GRADERS TRYING TO GET THEIR HEAD WET IN THE WATER TO BLOW BUBBLES, THAT IS JUST THE BEGINNING . SO
MANY KIDS HAVE DONE SO WELL AND THE TEACHERS HAVE COME UP TO US, AND SAY IT HAS IMPROVED, RESPECT AND 70 THINGS BESIDES LEARNING HOW TO SWIM. YOU ARE
ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AND THE LEGACY OF ALL THE CITY COUNCILS THAT EXISTED BEFORE YOU SINCE 1940. I WILL SAY ONE MORE THING, WHEN I SAW THE
NEWSPAPER ARTICLE ABOUT THE GIFT, THE COMMITTEE WAS LISTED, AG ALLEN WAS ONE OF THE MEMBERS, THAT WAS MY HIGH SCHOOL BIOLOGY TEACHER. I WAS THERE 17 OR 15 YEARS AFTER THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT. HERE IS MY TEACHER HAVING BEEN ON THE POOL COMMITTEE IN 1940. YOU HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO WATER SAFETY MONTH EVEN BEFORE IT WAS STARTED. I THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I THANK
RICARDO BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS THE SWIMMERS, THE WEST SONOMA COUNTY SWIMMERS THAT GIVE US THE TIME, FOUR DAYS A WEEK, 12:00 UNTIL 1:30 WHICH IS OPTIMUM LAP SWIMMING TIME FOR THE KIDS TO GET INTO THE WATER. I CAN'T THANK HIM ENOUGH AND YOU HAVE YOUR SHIRT. I WILL GIVE IT TO MARY RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, HOW ABOUT SOME APPLAUSE FOR THESE GREAT GUYS? WHAT I
WANT YOU TO DO IS COME DOWN HERE, WE CAN SHAKE YOUR HAND, GIVE YOU THE PROCLAMATION.
SHAKE ALL THE HANDS FOR THE PHOTO.
MADAM MAYOR. IF YOU CAN COME FACE LAURA HAGER REALLY QUICKLY. READY? LEANA WEN. -- TRAN 20.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASURE. ALL RIGHT, WONDERFUL
PROCLAMATIONS, I DO LOVE HEARING COMMENTS FROM THE VERY WORTHY INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD TAKE THIS TIME TO RECOGNIZE. THE FINAL ONE IS BIKE TO WORK MONTH. I'M SORRY, BIKE MONTH AND THAT IS FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH MAY 2024. I
ACTUALLY SEE IT AS BIKE TO WORK MONTH, THERE IS A DAY IN MAY THAT IS THE BIKE TO WORK MONTH AND I BELIEVE IT IS MAY 16th. IF THEM ANYWAY WANTS TO GIVE PARTICULAR RECOGNITION TO THIS, PLEASE, THURSDAY, MAY 16th, BIKE TO WORK IF YOU CAN. THERE'S ONE PARTICULAR STATISTIC IN THIS PROCLAMATION I WANTED TO SHARE
WHICH IS THAT IF ONE OF US, EACH OF US CHOSE TO RIDE A BIKE RATHER THAN TAKE A CAR ON ONE TRIP, THAT WOULD REDUCE CARBON EMISSIONS BY 67%. JUST A THOUGHT.
BIKE MONTH, IS ANYONE HERE TO ACCEPT IT? I WILL PASS IT DOWN TO MARY GOURLEY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT PERSON RECEIVES IT. THOSE ARE THE PROCLAMATIONS, ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS ON THE PROCLAMATIONS? THE AGENDA
SETTING COMMITTEE WILL TAKE UP THE ISSUE OF HOW TO DEAL WITH PROCLAMATIONS IN THE FUTURE AND CONSIDER BRINGING BACK TO THE FULL COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.
THE NEXT ITEM IS CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, TO HAVE ANY STATEMENTS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? NO, GREAT. NOW AT THE CONSENT CALENDAR, I THINK PERHAPS THE CITY
MANAGER, DID YOU HAVE AN INTRODUCTION YOU WANTED TO MAKE BEFORE THE CONSENT CALENDAR? CONSENT CALENDAR HAS NINE ITEMS.
YOU HAD PUBLIC COMMENTS FIRST.
PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE GOES MARY GOURLEY ESTABLISHING WHY SHE IS SO AMAZINGLY VALUABLE. YES, PUBLIC, IS ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA THANK YOU. PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. THE
PROTOCOL IS WE GO INTO CHAMBERS FIRST AND OUT TO THEM AND BACK TO CHAMBERS, BACK TO ZOOM. GO AHEAD.
ERNIE CARPENTER, ECONOMIC VOTER FROM SEBASTOPOL . GOOD TO SEE GREG JACOBS, FAMOUS PERSON. I HOPE YOU SAW THE PRESIDENT'S ADDRESS ON THE HOLOCAUST
WHERE HE REFERRED TO THE SITUATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND ALSO OUR OWN COUNTRY REGARDING GAZA AND WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH ISRAEL. HE ALSO BROUGHT UP OCTOBER 7th AND THE FACT THAT THE HOSTAGES ARE STILL HELD. I WANTED TO REVISIT EVER SO BRIEFLY BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF RAW NERVES WITH THE CEASEFIRE AGENDA. I'M SURE THERE ARE RAW NERVES ON BOTH SIDES BUT I WANT TO TALK MORE TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY. I WAS GIVEN AN EMAIL WHERE COUNCILMAN
ZALMAN WAS GOING TO SWING BY THE PALESTINIAN HONORS IN TOWN AND ENCOURAGE
THEM TO ATTEND THE CEASE-FIRE AGENDA IT TO ME, THAT IS DIVISIVE, WHY NOT SIT DOWN WITH BOTH GROUPS AND TRY TO WORK SOMETHING OUT? WE HAVE VERY LITTLE
INFLUENCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST, IT IS A COMPLEX SITUATION, I'M HAPPY TO DEBATE IT WITH ANYONE. LASTLY, FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA CHANT THAT WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT THAT IS DEFINITELY ANTI-SEMITIC, IT IS ANTI-ISRAEL, IT IS DIVISIVE.
COUNCILMAN ZOLLMAN CLICKED LIKE ON INSTAGRAM, BROUGHT UP TO HIM BY SEVERAL JEWISH LEADERS AND BY ME THAT WAS ANTI-SEMITIC. YOU REVISITED THAT
AND PUT A DISCLAIMER DID NOT REPRESENT THE COUNCIL BUT YOU DID NOT CHANGE
YOUR MIND TO I'M JUST HERE TO SAY DIRECTLY FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA CHANT
BASICALLY MEANS THEY WANT TO PUSH ISRAEL INTO THE SEA AND THERE WILL BE NO ISRAEL, MOST DEFINITELY ANTI-SEMITIC AND ANTI-ISRAEL. I WENT ASK YOU COUNCILMAN ZOLLMAN, REMOVE YOUR LIKE FOR THAT PARTICULAR TROPE. LASTLY -- ABOUT FIVE SECONDS.
FOUR OUT OF FIVE AMERICANS OF THE LATEST POLL SUPPORT ISRAEL. SEBASTOPOL MIGHT BE DIFFERENT, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO SUPPORT ISRAEL . THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL GO TO ZOOM. LINDA, UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE.
YES, I'M UNMUTED. I WILL GO SLIGHTLY ON AGENDA, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO GOT AWARD TODAY FOR THE PROCLAMATION. I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON THE FACT
THAT THE BUDGET IS BEING WORKED ON AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF OF THE BACK YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OUTFIT. IT ONLY USES $16,000 OF THE CITY BUDGET A YEAR, THEY ARE ASKING THAT IS KEPT. WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS, WE ARE MAKING THE NETWORKS
THAT WILL HAVE PEOPLE BE ABLE TO TAKE THE SMALLER WALKIE-TALKIES GO UP TO
ANOTHER LEVEL TO GM RS RADIOS AND GET IN TOUCH WITH THE HANDS, WE CAN
CONTACT PEOPLE LIKE PG&E OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN CASE WE HAVE A TOTAL POWER OUTAGE WHICH WOULD AFFECT THE CELL TOWERS. MY LAST STATEMENT IS I
KNOW WHO I WILL VOTE AGAINST IN THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL SINCE HE SEEMS TO BE PRO-HAMAS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, LINDA, FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. COMING BACK TO CHAMBERS, ANYONE IN CHAMBERS? PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING. HOW IS EVERYBODY DOING? IS THIS ON?
THE BUTTON SHOULD BE GREEN.
YES. OKAY, GOOD. SKIP GERALD, I'M INVOLVED WITH THE MUTUAL NEIGHBORS PROGRAM THAT WAS JUST MENTIONED. I THINK EVERYBODY HERE IS AWARE OF THAT
AND UNDERSTAND BUDGET ISSUES ARE FOR EVERYBODY AND OUR PROGRAM IS BEING
LOOKED AT ALSO SO I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE ARE AWARE OF THAT, WE APPRECIATE THE FACT YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS AS YOU NEED TO MAKE THEM. I
DO WANT TO REMIND YOU THE PROGRAM WAS STARTED IN RESPONSE TO SOME NEEDS
THE CITY HAD AND AN EMAIL WAS SENT TO AN OLD LIST OF PEOPLE THAT HAD STEPPED
FORWARD AND MANY PEOPLE STEPPED FORWARD DURING THE TIME WHEN WE HAD THE SHELTERS OPENING IN TOWN. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME, I WANT YOU
TO KNOW FAIRLY BROAD PROGRAM AND IT IS A PROGRAM A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO. I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE NUMBERS BEFORE BUT ONE THING I HAVE NOT
DONE BEFORE IS TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND I WILL NOW AND LET YOU KNOW SOME OF THE BREADTH. WE ARE AT MONICA GAYLE, BROOKHAVEN, BURBANK HEIGHTS AND ORCHARD, CLEVELAND AVENUE, EILEEN DRIVE, 1st STREET, UPPER AND LOWER FIRST
STREET, HARRISON STREET, JESSE, JUANITA COURT, LIGHTING LANE, ELLIS PORT, MAINE ON THE AVENUE, MURPHY AVENUE, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON. THESE ARE
NEIGHBORHOODS AND STREETS, NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE STREET WHERE
SOMEONE THAT HAS TAKEN THE CLASS, SOMEONE INVOLVED WITH BEING PREPARED,
SOMEONE INVOLVED WITH BEING RESILIENT AND ANSWERING A CALL -- 20 SECONDS.
ANSWERING THE CALL THE CITY PUT UP BEFORE FOR MORE RESILIENCE AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. A LOT OF WORK TO DO, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
THANK YOU FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL GO TO ZOOM, KYLE, UNMUTE YOURSELF.
ADMIN, UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE?
I AM UNMUTED, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
NO, BUT IT WILL BE A SHORT COMMENT. THE HORIZON SHINE TRAILER PARK AS CLOSE,
APPROXIMATELY ONE-THIRD OF RESIDENTS HAVE RELOCATED TO THE STREETS OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW DOES OUR CITY GOVERNMENT PLAN TO ADDRESS
THE BURGEONING ENCAMPMENT OF RV DWELLERS BY GRABBING STEEN HIGHWAY NORTH, COVERT LANE, AND BODEGA AVENUE? I WOULD APPRECIATE AN UPDATE ON THIS
FROM MAYOR RICH SINCE SHE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE TRADING OF THE PRESENT SITUATION. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS, SEEING NONE, I WILL GO BACK TO ZOOM. ALBERT, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF. ALBERT, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE? WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU TO MARY, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE? BARRY, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE? OKAY, I WILL COME BACK. ROMAN, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE?
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. ROMAN CHAD WILL HERE.
HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR?
CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
HELLO, SORRY.
ROW MAN -- ROMAN, MUTE YOURSELF AGAIN AND I WILL COME BACK.
ROMAN, CAN YOU HEAR?
CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
NO, THAT'S OKAY.
GO AHEAD WITH PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE.
I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRIDE FLAG. RESEARCH HAS SHOWN RAINBOW COLORS ATTRACT THE CURIOSITY AND DELIGHT OF CHILDREN. THE MOST RECENT ITERATION OF
THE PRIDE FLAG FEATURES THE DAZZLING RAINBOW COLORS, UMBRELLA AMOS
CLEARLY RUINED SATANIC DEMON --
PLEASE MUTE THIS INDIVIDUAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE IN THE ROOM INCLUDING ROMAN, PLEASE STAY ON
ROMAN, THIS IS JUST A WARNING WE NEED TO TRY TO USE RESPECTFUL SPEECH IN
ORDER TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE HAS SAFE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THEIR PERSPECTIVES IN THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. COULD YOU PLEASE, I WILL POINT OUT
THIS SORT OF SPEECH DOES HAVE A DISRUPTIVE IMPACT ON THE ABILITY OF OTHERS TO PARTICIPATE. PLEASE, ROMAN, CONTINUE TO TAKE YOUR TIME, YOU HAVE ABOUT 1 1/2 MINUTES. MARY, PLEASE ALLOW ROMAN TO CONTINUE.
RAHMAN, YOUR UNMUTED. GO AHEAD PLEASE.
THANK YOU. LISTEN, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS UNPLEASANT BUT OUR CHILDREN ARE BEING RUINED TO OUR CHILDREN ARE DEVASTATED BY THIS AGENDA. IT APPEARS THE
PURPOSE OF THIS FLAG IS TO ENTRAP CHILDREN INTO AN ABOMINABLE WORLD OF
TRAUMA BASED MIND CONTROL OR BODY MODIFICATION, PORNOGRAPHY, AND ABUSE ARE DOWNLOADED INTO THE CHILD'S INNOCENT SOUL. IT APPEARS TO ME THAT A CHILD PREDATOR DESIGNED THE MOST RECENT PRIDE FLAG. THESE CHILD PREDATORS ARE
NOW EDUCATING CHILDREN ON HOW TO PERFORM ABOMINABLE ACTS, THE SAME PEOPLE
PUSHING THE PRIDE FLAG ARE RUNNING PORNOGRAPHY SITES LIKE PORNHUB, IT IS A WONDER HOW THE CONTENT IS LEGAL. IT IS THREE CLICKS AWAY FROM THE EYES OF OUR CHILDREN. EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE LGBTQ XYZ MOVEMENT IS JEWISH.
MAGNUS HIRSCHFELD, EDITH WINDSOR, JESS JENNINGS, ABBY STEIN, FRANK TAMMANY, LESLIE FEINBERG.
YOU HAVE 25 SECONDS.
ELI EHRLICH. GEORGE WEINBERG, HARVEY MILK, KURT FREUND, BETSY BERSON, FRITZ KLEIN, BONNIE BLANK, DEAN SPADE. MATTHEW 18 SIX, WHO SHALL OFFEND ONE OF
THESE LITTLE ONES WHICH BELIEVE IN ME, BETTER FOR HIM THAT A MILLSTONE WERE HUNG ABOUT HIS NECK AND DROWNED IN DEATH BY THE SEA AREA THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS OF SOMEONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT IN CHAMBERS. I WILL GO
BACK TO ZOOM, ALBERT, UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE
THANK YOU, CAN YOU HEAR ME THIS TIME?
CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
I CAN, THREE MINUTES.
TWO MINUTES. I WILL JUMP IN WHEN YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT.
HAVE A LITTLE PHONE HERE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE DEI PROGRAM TAKING PLACE.
HERE WE GO. ♪ HERE WE GO AGAIN TALKING ABOUT REPARATIONS ♪ THERE YOU GO AGAIN TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE FREE ♪ THERE YOU GO AGAIN TALKING ABOUT REPARATIONS [ MUSIC ] LISTEN TO ME --
MUTE PLEASE. PLEASE STAY ON THE LINE.
WHAT ABOUT FREE SPEECH?
LANGUAGE LIKE YOU JUST USED ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THESE CHAMBERS? CHALLENGE THE ABILITY OF OTHERS TO SHARE IN SAFE AND CIVIL WAY. DO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE WITH YOUR OPPONENT. DOES ALBERT STILL HAVE TIME? YES, I WILL FINISH MY SONG. I WON'T SAY THAT N WORD. ♪ YOU SAY ALL OF YOUR ANCESTORS WERE SLAVES ♪ THAT IS THE REASON YOU OUGHT TO GET A.I.D.S. ♪ YOU WANT SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. YOU ARE ALL THE SAME.
AFTER INTERRUPT, THE DENIGRATING REFERENCE YOU JUST MADE IS UNACCEPTABLE
AND DISRUPTIVE, ALBERT HAS BEEN GIVEN A WARNING AND I WOULD LIKE THEM REMOVED FROM THE MEETING. SORRY, ALBERT, WE HOPE YOU COME BACK AND WILL COMPLY WITH OUR STANDARDS HERE. MARY, IF YOU CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE.
BARRY, UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE.
YES, GOOD EVENING. AM I COMING THROUGH ALL RIGHT?
YOU'RE COMING THROUGH, CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
I THINK I HAVE TO SCROLL FOR IT, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY. I WANT TO BRING UP,
PREVIOUSLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IT NEVER HAPPENED AND ONLY BOOMERS LEAVE IT. ALL BOOMERS ARE .
WE NEED TO STOP THIS INDIVIDUAL. MARY, FOR THE FUTURE, THIS IS A WARNING AND
FOR FUTURE, WE DO NOT ACCEPT THOSE SORTS OF COMMENTS, REFERENCES, DEROGATORY WORDS IN THESE CHAMBERS. THEY ARE VERY DISRUPTIVE. PLEASE TAKE YOUR REMAINING TIME.
OKAY, THANK YOU. I WILL KEEP IT CLEAN. WITH THE HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE STUFF,
LET'S REMEMBER AUSCHWITZ HAD A SWIMMING POOL AND A SOCCER FIELD, THEATER, MATERNITY WARD, THEY CHANGE THEIR FLAG FROM 4.5 MILLION TO 1 MILLION. THE 6 MILLION NUMBER NEVER CHANGED. LET'S ALSO REMEMBER THE SO-CALLED GAS
CHAMBERS HAD WOODEN DOORS ON THEM AND THERE IS NO TRACE OF PRUSSIAN BLUE
FOUND ON THE WALLS WHEN FRED LEICHTER WENT AND RESEARCHED THIS FANTASTIC
FICTION THAT THEY GET SO MUCH MILEAGE OFF OF, THEY GET REPARATIONS TO THIS DAY. IN AMERICA, THEY GET A TAX BREAK FOR BEING "HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR". THAT
COUPLED WITH THE KOSHER FOOD TAX, IT SEEMS LIKE THESE PEOPLE ARE LEECHING SO MUCH MONEY OFF OF US WHILE THEY FLOOD US, 30 JEWISH NGOS ARE THE MAIN ONES WHO FUND THE WAVE OF IMMIGRATION. THERE ARE PEOPLE COMING FROM AFRICA
COMMITTEE THINK THEY GET HERE, BUILD A BOAT AND SAILED TO MEXICO AND
CROSSED THE BORDER, THEY GET PUT ON PLANES BY PEOPLE THAT HATE WHITE
AMERICANS, THE BOOMERS ARE TOO SLEEPY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, THEY DON'T
CARE, THEY HAVE THEIR SPORTS BALL AND ROCK 'N ROLL MUSIC TALKING ABOUT BOB SEGER CONCERT BACK IN THE DAY AND HOW GREAT IT WAS. MEANWHILE, THE PEOPLE
THAT FOUNDED THIS NATION ARE FINDING THEMSELVES HOMELESS AND DESPERATE, RUN OUT OF WORK. I WOULD LIKE IT FOR COUNCIL TO PUT FORWARD A RESOLUTION
SAYING THAT MAYBE MAY SHOULD BE EUROPEAN HERITAGE MONTH INSTEAD OF OTHERS ARE LIKE TRYING TO PROMOTE THIS JEWISH HERITAGE MONTH. LET'S HONOR
THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT THIS NATION AND I HOPE WE ARE NOT SO SILLY TO THINK THERE
IS MAGIC SOIL IN AMERICA AND WHOEVER COMES HERE GETS TO MAKE AMERICA WHAT IT IS. IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT CAME HER ORIGINALLY, EUROPEANS, NATURALIZATION ACT OF --
BARRY, THAT IS TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE IS ROBERT. ROBERT, UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE.
HELLO, COUNCIL. AM I COMING ACROSS CLEARLY?
YOU'RE COMING ACROSS CLEARLY. DO YOU SEE THE TIMER?
NO, I CAN'T BUT I WILL BE BRIEF. I WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK ALBERT DID AN AMAZING JOB WITH HIS MUSIC. I THINK HE DESERVES A LITTLE MORE RESPECT HERE. WHAT I WAS
WANTING TO GO OVER ACTUALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION. IT WAS A BOOK WRITTEN IN 1897 AND IT CLAIMS, IF YOU LOOK IT UP, THEY CALL IT ANTI-SEMITIC RHETORIC. NOW, THE BOOK'S CONTENTS BY CHAPTER, THE
FIRST CHAPTER IS AGENTS AND HELPERS EVERYWHERE, IF YOU LOOK AT JOE BIDEN'S CABINET, 78% CONTROLLED BY JEWISH INDIVIDUALS. THEY MAKE UP 2% OF THE POPULATION BUT ARE SOMEHOW ACCOUNT FOR 78% OF HIS CABINET. NUMBER TWO, TAKE CONTROL OF THE MEDIA AND USE IT PROPAGANDA FOR PLANS. IT IS INTERESTING HOW SIX CORPORATIONS WERE OWNED BY JEWISH INDIVIDUALS CONTROL 96% OF OUR MEDIA, FOX, CNN, NBC, YOU NAME IT, A JEW OWNS IT. START FIGHTS BETWEEN
DIFFERENT RACE, CLASSES, AND RELIGIONS TO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PAID ATTENTION
TO THE NEWS MUCH, I SEE A LOT OF ANTIWHITE HOSTILITY, WHITES FIGHTING BLACKS,
FIGHTING HISPANICS, IT IS A LOT OF RACISM GOING ON AND AT THE AND OF THE DAY, ANOTHER JEWISH PLOT. USING BRIBERY, THREATS, BLACKMAIL TO GET OUR WAY. I
THINK THAT IS WHAT JEFFREY EPSTEIN DID, I'M PRETTY SURE HE WAS JEWISH AND HE WOULD LIKE MAIL -- BLACKMAIL. PUPPET LEADERS CONTROL BY BLACKMAIL AND REPLACE ROYAL RULE WAS SOCIAL RULE, THEN COMMUNISM AND THEN DESPOTISM.
NINE, ABOLISH ALL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS EXIT THE RIGHT OF FORCE BY US, YOU CAN
SEE THAT AS THEY TRY TO TAKE AWAY SECOND AMENDMENT AND RESTRICT FIRST AMENDMENT.
THAT IS TWO MINUTES.
HAIL HITLER, WHITE POWER.
I WANT TO SUPPORT COUNCILMAN ZOLLMAN. COUNCIL REPRESENTS THE CITY AND
WORKING REALLY HARD AS AN INDIVIDUAL , DIESEL TRUCK, FLAGS FLYING AS AN
INDIVIDUAL SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT COMPLETELY CLEAR, VERY INAPPROPRIATE TO GO AFTER SOMEBODY'S SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS AND SO YOU CAN'T BEHAVE THIS WAY.
I WANT TO MAKE THAT DIFFERENTIATION. I PRESUME ALL OF THESE PEOPLE
COMMENTING FROM THE DEEP SOUTH OR WHEREVER, I APOLOGIZE FOR HOW RUDE THEY WERE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS LINDA, UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE. THERE YOU GO, GO AHEAD WITH PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE.
THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ERNIE CARPENTER, I HOPE ERNIE
YOU LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAD TO SAY, MICHAEL AND LINDA CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE COMMENTS. ANYWAY, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO QUOTE ONE OF THE
LONGTIME VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS IN RECOGNIZING MAYOR DIANA GARDNER RICH IS AN EMBARRASSMENT. THE MISMANAGEMENT OF THE CITY AND THE FINANCES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, SHE ALONG RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DIRE FINANCIAL CONDITIONS, $5
MILLION LOAN THEY STILL WANT RECOGNIZE BECAUSE IT WAS WORDED IN SUCH A WAY,
SUSTAINABLE AND ENERGY-EFFICIENT, THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE HELL, NONE OF
THE REST OF US KNEW WHAT THEY WERE VOTING ON EITHER , THERE IT IS, SO THEY ARE STILL NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT OR RECOGNIZING IT EVEN EXIST, $6 MILLION LOAN WHICH WILL TAKE ANOTHER 13 YEARS TO PAY OFF. IN ADDITION TO THAT, SHE DOES NOT LISTEN, TALKING ABOUT DIANA RICH.
YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
TRIES TO SILENCE THE PUBLIC EVERY WAY SHE CAN COME BEING IGNORANT,
ARROGANT, UNGRATEFUL AND NOT DOING THE PROCLAMATIONS THE WAY WE ALL HAVE DONE RECOGNIZING THE PEOPLE THAT KEEP THE CITY GOING. OUR FIGHTERS AND THE COPS AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
THANK YOU, LINDA, THAT IS TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE IS MARY. UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE.
HI, MY NAME IS MOLLY, BEFORE YOU ASK, I DON'T SEE THE TIMER BUT I SET MY OWN TO ENSURE I GET MY FULL TWO MINUTES. TODAY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE DAY. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT WHILE REMEMBERING THIS, WE ALSO RECALL WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THAT TIME PERIOD. FOR ENTIRE NATION TO GET
BEHIND A MAN CLEARLY THERE WERE SOME THINGS HE WAS ABLE TO POINT OUT THAT WERE THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. FIRST AND FOREMOST, ONE THING HE DID STOP WAS CHILD PROSTITUTION. THIS WAS RUNNING RAMPANT. THE REASON IT WAS
RUNNING SO RAMPANT WAS BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE WORK TAXED TO AN EXTENT, THEY WERE POOR. THEY WERE BEING TAXED INTO FAMINE AND A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE
THEN TURNING TO SELLING THEIR CHILDREN AND I FIND THIS DISGUSTING BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SOCIETY TODAY, WE ARE TAXED TO A POINT OF FAMINE. WE HAVE SCHOOL
PROGRAMS THAT DURING THE SUMMER DURING THE DAYS OF COVID, THESE FAMILIES
WERE NOT ABLE TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN, THE SCHOOLS WERE OPENING UP DURING
SUMMER TO GIVE THEM LUNCH BECAUSE PEOPLE CANNOT FEED THEIR KIDS THREE MEALS A DAY AT HOME. THESE PEOPLE ARE ALSO TAKING THEIR CHILDREN AND PUTTING
THEM ON SOCIAL MEDIA SUCH AS TIKTOK AND WHATNOT, ESSENTIALLY LIVING OF THESE CHILDREN, HOW THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM CHILD PROSTITUTION, I DON'T KNOW.
LET'S GO BACK TO THE HOLOCAUST AND WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON. WE ALSO HAVE
PEOPLE LIKE WILHELM REICH THAT WAS A PSYCHOLOGIST, HITLER SPECIFICALLY
REMOVED HIM AND REMOVED HIS ABILITY TO PRACTICE MEDICINE, REMOVED HIM FROM
THE COUNTRY ITSELF, THIS MAN'S ENTIRE STUDY WAS BUILT OFF OF ORGASMS, THAT IS WHAT HE STUDIED. WHO HE STUDIED? MOSTLY CHILDREN. I FIND IT DISGUSTING WE ARE VILIFYING A MAN WHO DID NOTHING WRONG. HE HELPED HIS PEOPLE, HE PULLED THEM
OUT OF STARVATION AND HE REMOVED THE PEDOPHILES THAT WERE CONTROLLING THE SYSTEM. I SINCERELY HOPE WE CAN DO THE SAME.
THE TIME IS OUT. MARY, IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU COULD INSTITUTE A POLICY WHERE
WHEN THE TIME IS UP, WE TURN OFF THE MIC, I WOULD HAVE REALLY APPRECIATE IT WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION OR PREFERENCE GIVEN TO ANY SPEAKER. CAN WE RETURN TO PUBLIC COMMENT? DO WE HAVE ANY REMAINING?
I WILL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS, ANYONE IN PUBLIC COMMENT, I DON'T SEE ANY, GOING BACK TO ZOOM ANY ITEMS FOR PUBLIC, NOT ON THE AGENDA? SEEM NONE,, IS CLOSED.
I WILL MAKE A COUPLE GENERAL COMMENTS, NUMBER ONE, I APPRECIATE THE
PATIENCE OF ALL OF THE VERY POSITIVE AND UPBEAT PEOPLE WHO RESIDE IN THIS COMMUNITY. IT IS UNPLEASANT SOMETIMES TO HEAR THE EXTENT OF OPINIONS THAT
FREE SPEECH SUPPORTS AND ALLOWS BUT THAT ALSO PROVIDES ALL OF US WITH A LOT OF FREEDOM TO EXPRESS OUR OPINIONS SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THE
SECOND FOLLOW-UP AND RELATED, I WOULD MAKE IS PLEASE, AS YOU'RE LISTENING TO
ALL OF THESE VARIOUS PUBLIC COMMENTS, SOME OF WHICH IDENTIFY VERY
PERSONALLY, COUNCILMEMBERS AND OTHERS BY NAME, REMEMBER THAT THESE ARE
OPINIONS AND THEY CAPTURE ONE INDIVIDUAL'S OPINION IN THE CONTEXT OF ONE PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE. THOSE OPINIONS WE NEED TO RESPECT BUT PLEASE REACH
YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS IN TERMS OF YOUR RELATIONSHIPS AND UNDERSTANDING OF
THE ACTIVITIES OF ANYONE WHO SITS UP HERE AS ELECTED AND TRIES TO DO THEIR BEST FOR THIS AMAZING COMMUNITY. JUST OVERALL COMMENT ON THAT POINT. AND ANYTHING ELSE FROM CITY MANAGER STAFF THAT NEEDS TO BE SHARED? I HAVE SOMETHING NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU HOLD UP A MINUTE. COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE A NEED TO SHARE ANY INFORMATION AT THIS POINT BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY, THANK YOU.
IF I CAN, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT MENTIONING THIS EARLIER, I DID NOT KNOW HE WAS
COMING TONIGHT, IF I COULD INTRODUCE DAVID, OUR INTERIM PLANNING DIRECTOR
THAT HAS BEEN WITH US TWO DAYS AND DAVID HAS EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH INTERIM AND PERMANENT ROLES. I'M PLEASED HE WAS ABLE TO JOIN US TO HELP COVER
THAT DEPARTMENT WHILE THE RECRUITMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR -- BEAT DAVID, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM FOR A MOMENT. THAT WOULD
BE GREAT IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO US AND GIVE SOME BRIEF COMMENTS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE.
I WOULD LOVE TO. I HAVE BEEN COMMUNITY DIRECTOR AND PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. MORE RECENTLY, I'VE DONE
INTERIM ASSIGNMENTS AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE AND I HAD A GREAT
WELCOME AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ASSISTING YOUR COMMUNITY OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS OR MONTHS THROUGH YOUR RECRUITMENT PERIOD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU JOIN THE STAFF HERE. WE
DEFINITELY NEEDED SOMEONE TO STEP IN AFTER THE DEPARTURE OF MARK WONDERFUL CARRIE SWANSTROM SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR WE HAVE NINE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. OUR
POLICY REQUIRES THAT I READ EACH ONE OF THESE TITLES THAT THE CONSENT CALENDAR OUT LOUD. I WILL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. I'M SORRY, VICE MAYOR.
POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I THOUGHT WE HAD INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS WHERE YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE A CHAIR READ EVERY PART OF IT?
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION BUT MARY GOURLEY LOOKED INTO IT, IF YOU COULD RESPOND.
THE PROTOCOL, IT DOES STATE CALENDAR CONSENT ITEMS ARE DUE TO BE READ. WE
DISCUSSED BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE MEETINGS NOT READING THE AGENDA
ITEMS BUT IF WE GO BACK, ADHERE TO PROTOCOLS, THEY ARE CURRENT COUNCIL PROTOCOLS .
I'M ACTUALLY READING IT, AT THE MOMENT, THE WRITTEN POLICY REQUIRES THAT WE BREATHE THROUGH THEM. NUMBER ONE, APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FOR SPECIAL MEETING, CLOSE SESSION MEETING OF APRIL 15, 2024 NUMBER TWO, APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FOR READING OF APRIL 16, 2024.
NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FOR SPECIAL MEETING OF APRIL 23, 2024. YES, WE HAD A LOT OF SPECIAL MEETINGS. NUMBER FOUR, APPROVAL
OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FOR SPECIAL MEETING CLOSED SESSION OF APRIL 29, 2024. NUMBER FIVE, APPROVAL OF CONTRACT FOR SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION GRANT CONSULTANT. CONTRACT AMOUNT OF $260,000. FUNDING FOR CONTRACT PROVIDED THROUGH GRANT FUNDING. NUMBER SIX, APPROVAL OF LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR 2025 BUILDING CODE ELECTRIFICATION ZERO EMISSION. NUMBER SEVEN, APPROVAL OF VISION ZERO RESOLUTION FOR PRINCIPLES RELATING TO TRAFFIC SAFETY. NUMBER
EIGHT, RECEIPT OF NOTIFICATION OF REQUEST TO SUSPEND RECRUITMENT FOR UPCOMING VACANCY ON PUBLIC ARTS COMMITTEE. AND FINALLY, NUMBER NINE, APPROVAL WEED ABATEMENT NOTIFICATION AND SETTING PUBLIC HEARING DATE.
THOSE ARE THE NINE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS, TO HAVE ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ANY OF THEM? COUNCIL MEMBER HINTON? I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER SIX.
ITEM NUMBER SIX IS THE APPROVAL LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE 2025 BUILDING CODE ELECTRIFICATION ZERO EMISSION. IF YOU COULD TRACK THAT, MARY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT?
I DID, AFTER WE GET DONE PULLING, I HAVE STATEMENT FOR ONE OF THE CONSENT ITEMS.
I WAS GOING TO PULL THE SAME ITEM.
WE HAVE NUMBER SIX BEING PULLED. ANY OTHER ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR THAT NEED TO BE PULLED? NO. MARY GOURLEY, YOU HAD A MODIFICATION.
AND CORRECT RESOLUTION ATTACHED TO THE WEED ABATEMENT SO THE CORRECTED
VERSION IS IN AND POSTED TO THE WEBSITE, SUBMITTED TO THE COUNCIL, IT CORRECTS
THE DATES FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING COMING UP, WHEN YOU DO THE MOTION TO AMEND THE CORRECTED RESOLUTION.
OKAY, THANK YOU. CAN YOU IDENTIFY WHAT THE DIFFERENCES WITH THE DATE? THEY USED LAST YEAR'S SO IT WAS MAY 2023 SO IT STATES TO 4, 2024 WILL BE THE
PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROTEST OF THE WEED ABATEMENT BUT IT SHOULD TAKE MAY 7, FOR TODAY'S.
THANK YOU FOR THE MODIFICATION. CONSENT CALENDAR ON ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE, SEVEN THROUGH NINE. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ITEM NUMBER SIX, IT WILL
BE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND ADDRESSED AT THAT END OF THIS MEETING IS OUR GENERAL POLICY. THANK YOU, MARY.
THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND
SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, ITEM NUMBER SIX ADDRESSED AT THE END OF THE MEETING IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC, I GET A CHAMBERS FIRST AND THEN OUT TO ZOOM. IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS? SEEING NONE, GOING TO ZOOM, KYLE, UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE.
YES, I CAN.
DO YOU SEE THE TIMER?
YES.
AHEAD PLEASE.
I UNDERSTAND IT CAN BE DISRUPTIVE DURING PUBLIC,, ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA, ONE
THING THAT DID COME OUT OF THE PUBLIC, FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA WAS A SPECIFIC
CALL FOR UPDATE AS TO WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH RISE AND SHINE, SPECIFICALLY RUST ON OUR STREET. I MENTION THAT BECAUSE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR WAS SPECIAL MEANS RELATED TO LITIGATION. NOT ONLY WHAT I EXPECT COUNCIL IN
RESPONSE TO PUBLIC, ON ITEMS DONE IN THE AGENDA, SPECIFIC CALL FOR
INFORMATION, I WOULD EXPECT WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH SUCH LONG, ONGOING LITIGATION, THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON. I
UNDERSTAND YOU CAN ALWAYS FALL BACK ONTO COMMENT ON ACTIVE LITIGATION
BUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY BEING SPENT DURING A TIME IN WHICH WE HAVE A FISCAL
CRISIS WHEN WE ALSO HAVE HEARD THERE MIGHT BE CHANGE TO THE ENFORCEMENT OF
THIS LAW THAT THIS COUNCIL ENACTED THAT PUT US IN THIS LEGAL BIND WE ARE IN THE FIRST PLACE. PLEASE COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC. BE TRANSPARENT WITH THE
PUBLIC WHEN THEY CALL FOR SPECIFIC UPDATES ON THINGS THAT ARE OF PUBLIC INTEREST, RESPOND TO THOSE THINGS. WHEN THERE IS LITIGATION THAT HAS GONE ON FOR THIS LONG, BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE ECONOMIC COSTS. THEY ARE HUGE, SO
MANY THINGS ARE GETTING CUT, SO MANY THINGS ARE INCREASING IN TERMS OF
GIVING US PROPERTY TAX OR FIRE, DECIDING THAT JACK UP THE WATER BILLS WHEN IT
IS NOT EVEN CLEAR WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE MONEY FROM YEARS PRIOR TO THAT IN TERMS OF THE MISALLOCATION TO THE GENERAL FUND. AND YET, WE CAN'T EVEN HEAR
THE CLEAR UPDATE AS TO THE ONGOING LITIGATION COST IN THE HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WHILE WE STILL SIT HERE AND LISTEN ABOUT AN UPDATE TO THE PRICE WE ARE SPENDING ON AN ATTORNEY IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, KYLE FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH NINE OTHER THAN ITEM NUMBER SIX. LINDA, UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE.
THANK YOU, GO AHEAD WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, LINDA.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, RIGHT ON, KYLE. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, YOU SAID EVERYTHING RIGHT. IT GOES BACK TO THIS COUNCIL AND PARTICULARLY THE MAYOR, HE DOES NOT LISTEN AND DOES NOT WANT US TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. ANYWAY,
ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, JUST AS KYLE MENTIONED, I
WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT ITEMS ONE, THREE, FOUR, THE SPECIAL MEETING CLOSED SESSIONS WERE ABOUT. DON'T TELL ME, MAYOR, IT IS ON A COMPUTER BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, I'M COMPUTER-FREE, CELL PHONE-FREE. ELECTRIC SENSITIVE, I'M ASKING FOR ACCOMMODATION AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THESE WERE ABOUT. FURTHERMORE, I
ALSO WENT ITEM SIX TO BE PULLED, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT ITEM SIX AND SEVEN ARE ABOUT. SEVEN BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS ABOUT. VISION ZERO RESOLUTION PRINCIPLES REGARDING TRAFFIC SAFETY. I WILL TAKE TRAFFIC HAS GONE
STRAIGHT TO HELL AND THE POLICY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, MORE
BUILDING, NOT ONLY MAKING THE TRAFFIC BIGGER MESS, IT IS ALSO PUSHING US RIGHT INTO BANKRUPTCY BECAUSE THAT NINE, 10 BUILDINGS IN THE PIPELINE TO BE BUILT
INCLUDING THE CANOPY --
LINDA COMING UP 30 SECONDS.
NEAR ME, IT IS DRIVING US INTO BANKRUPTCY. THIS IS NOT A WIN. WITH THE RECENT IMPACT OF BEING PULLED, RECENT U.S. SUPREME COURT DECISION CAME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY IMPACT FEES. IT IS A LOSE SITUATION WITH ALL THE BUILDING.
LINDA, THAT IS TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I WILL
GO BACK TO CHAMBERS IF THERE'S ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, I WILL GO BACK TO ZOOM IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH NINE EXCEPT FOR SIX. SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARY GOURLEY. VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN.
I WOULD NEED THE CONSENT ITEMS AGAIN TO
TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS? I HAD ONE ITEM, IF I
COULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE, THIS IS GOING BACK TO A COMMENT MADE DURING, ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. IF YOU COULD, POLICE CHIEF, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE TO OFFER YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE REGARDING RISE AND SHINE?
I'M SORRY, CAN WE DO THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND COME BACK TO -- YES, THE MOTION, VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN?
YES, I MOVED TO APPROVE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE, SEVEN,
EIGHT, NINE TO
SECOND. IN TERMS OF, ON CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS, MARY GOURLEY WOULD YOU RECOMMEND WE WAIT UNTIL THE VOTE?
IS IT JUST A, OR ARE YOU GOING INTO DISCUSSION?
IT IS NOT DISCUSSION, JUST CLARIFICATION FOR ONE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS WHO DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT VISION ZERO WAS. I WANTED TO GIVE A SHORT STATEMENT OF WHAT VISION ZERO IS.
YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND GIVE A SHORT ASCRIPTION OF IT AND COME BACK TO THE VOTE.
MISSION TERRACE ABOUT REDUCING TRAFFIC FATALITIES DOWN TO ZERO, VERY SIMPLE, THAT IS WHAT IT IS. THE COUNTY HAD ADOPTED IT, IT IS ON SEBASTOPOL TO ADOPT SIMILAR TO SOMETHING THE COUNTY DID.
THANK YOU I THINK WE CAN TAKE THE VOTE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
SO MOVED BY VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER MAUER TO
APPROVE COUNCIL ITEMS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE --
I'M SORRY, I NEED TO INTERRUPT YOU, WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL SECOND ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND.
I WILL SECOND. BEAT COUNCILMEMBER MAURER, THANK YOU.
SO MOVED BY VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND SECONDED BY MEMBER MAUER TO APPROVE
COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE WITH A MOMENT TO NINE WITH RESOLUTION AND REMOVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX.
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS. VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, MAYOR RICH.
AYE.
WE WILL ADDRESS ITEM NUMBER SIX AT THE END OF THE REGULAR CALENDAR. I HAD A
COUPLE COMMENTS, ONE, I WANTED TO ASK THE POLICE CHIEF IF HE HAD ANYTHING TO OFFER ANY UPDATE REGARDING RISE AND SHINE AND THE SITUATION THERE.
I'M NOT GOING TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE ASPECTS TO ANY FACTORS REGARDING
LITIGATION WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT RISE AND SHINE HAS CLOSED, THE SITE IS BEING MANAGED BY ST. VINCENT DePAUL, ANY DECISION MOVING FORWARD FOR THE USE OF
THAT PROPERTY AS LONG AS THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH CITY REGULATIONS IS IN THE HANDS OF ST. VINCENT DePAUL. IN REGARDS TO INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE SCATTERED
THROUGHOUT THE CITY, MY OFFICERS, LITERALLY DAILY, ARE WORKING WITH
HOMELESS OUTREACH PERSON AND SERVICES ARE CONTINUED TO BE OFFERED ON A DAILY BASIS BY WEST COUNTY SERVICES. WE CANNOT COMPEL INDIVIDUALS WHO REFUSE SERVICES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SERVICES. WE ARE DOING THE BEST WE CAN
TO GAIN NONCOMPLIANCE AND ENFORCE LAWS WHEN WE CAN WHEN IT IS APPLICABLE WE ALSO DON'T WANT, THIS IS NOT A SITUATION WE CAN ARREST OUR WAY OUT OF.
ANYTIME WE GAIN VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE, WE TRY TO DO SO, TRY TO ENCOURAGE THEM. THERE ARE TIMES WE HAVE CITED INDIVIDUALS AS WELL, MOST OF THE LAWS THAT APPLY DON'T INVOLVE PHYSICAL ARREST. THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS WITH THEIR
BELONGINGS, IF IT HAS BEEN DEEMED BY THE COURTS IN THEIR MINDS, THINGS ARE OF
VALUE TO THEM, WE CANNOT SIMPLY SEES THEM AND EVEN UNDER SITUATION WHERE
THEY ARE ARRESTED, ON THE HOOK FOR STORING THEM, TAKING CARE OF THEM, INCURRING ALL THE FEES FOR THAT SO THAT IS A LAST RESORT SITUATION AS WELL. THE
OTHER FACTOR INVOLVED THAT COMPLICATES IT IS WE HAVE TWO CASES, ONE OUT OF
THE NINTH CIRCUIT KNOWN AS MARKET VERSUS BOISE WHICH IMPOSES QUITE A BIT OF
LIMITATIONS ON HOW WE DEAL WITH THE SITUATIONS AND THERE'S ANOTHER CASE,
JOHNSON VERSUS THE CITY OF GRANTS PASS WHICH IS WINDING ITS WAY THROUGH THE
SUPREME COURT, WE ANTICIPATE SOME TYPE OF RULING COMING UP JUNE OR JULY,
PRELIMINARY ARGUMENTS HAVE OCCURRED BUT IT IS NOT A SIMPLE THERE'S A LOT IN THE BOOK, WHY AREN'T YOU ENFORCING IT?
OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. A QUESTION CAME UP THAT MIGHT BE WORTH
ADDRESSING BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY IN ORDER TO HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THE
RESTRICTIONS AND LIMITATIONS OF CLOSED SESSIONS AND THE NEED TO PROTECT THE DISCUSSIONS WITHIN THOSE CLOSED SESSIONS, SPECIFICALLY LITIGATION.
THE VERY REASON THERE IS A CLOSED SESSION AVAILABLE FOR LITIGATION
DISCUSSIONS IS CITY COUNCILS HAVE TO BE FREE TO HAVE OPEN AND COMPELLING
CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR ATTORNEYS CONCERNING THE HANDLING OF LITIGATION,
YOU HAVE TO HEAR THE PROS AND CON'S OF LEGAL POSITIONS AND UNDERSTAND THE
POSSIBLE EFFECTS OF CERTAIN ASPECTS, ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE TO TAKE
PLACE IN A CLOSED SESSION AS THEY WOULD BETWEEN ANY ATTORNEY AND CLIENT IN THE REGULAR PRACTICE OF LAW. THAT IS THE ONGOING PROBLEM OR THE REASON FOR
HAVING TO HAVE CLOSED SESSIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL WITH RESPECT TO LITIGATION MATTERS. WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF WAS JUST TALKING
ABOUT, THE ONGOING LITIGATION WITH THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION HAS
PRODUCED RESTRICTIONS ON THE CITY'S ABILITY TO ENFORCE ITS ON THE BOOKS PARKING ORDINANCE. WE ARE WORKING AND DISCUSSING WITH THE AMERICAN CIVIL
LIBERTIES UNION CONSTANTLY WHAT POSSIBILITIES THAT MAY EXIST TO CHANGE THAT
SITUATION IN THE FUTURE BUT FOR THE PRESENT TIME, IT IS DUE TO THE LAWSUIT, WE
HAVE THAT RESTRICTION AND ARE UNABLE TO ENFORCE THE PARKING ORDINANCE AT THE PRESENT TIME. THAT IS WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF WAS ALLUDING TO, CITY COUNCILS
HAVE TO BE FREE TO DISCUSS WITH THEIR ATTORNEY AND CO-CLOSED SESSION, AT THE
NEAREST TIME IN THE FUTURE WE COULD POSSIBLY DO IT, WE WOULD TRY TO EXPLAIN
THINGS MORE FULLY TO THE CITIZENS OF OUR CITY BUT THAT WILL HAVE TO BE
ADDRESSED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION AS PART OF
THAT COURT CASE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY. FINALLY, BEFORE WE GET TO THE
REGULAR CALENDAR AND SCOOP THROUGH THAT, MARY GOURLEY, IF YOU COULD
SHARE WITH US WHAT YOUR POLICY IS FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE ACCESS TO COMPUTERS AND NEED TO HAVE ACCESS TO AGENDAS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS?
CITY HALL IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE, THEY CAN COME DOWN AND GET A COPY OF THE
AGENDA, COME DOWN AND SEE THE STAFF REPORTS, THEY CAN CONTACT US IF THEY WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THE AGENDA, I DO WE KNOW EMAIL AGENDAS OUT. WE DO HAVE
THE DOCUMENTATION OF CITY HALL IF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO COME DOWN TO CITY HALL TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE KNOW HOW ACCESSIBLE AND ENGAGING AND COOPERATIVE OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, MARY GOURLEY, IS. THANK YOU, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR CALENDAR. WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THE REGULAR CALENDAR, THE FIRST ONE IS NUMBER 10 ON THE CALENDAR, REVISE THE CITY PUBLICLY
AVAILABLE PAY SCHEDULE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION APPROVING SALARY SCHEDULE
FOR GOVERNMENT CODE, NEW SALARY RANGES FOR POSITIONS NEED TO BE INCLUDED
INTO THE CITY CURRENT PAY RATES RANGES, STIPEND RESOLUTION TO THE
RESPONSIBLE PARTY DEPARTMENT HERE IS HUMAN RESOURCES, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES. DON SCHWARTZ TO
I WILL TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU. REQUIREMENT OF STATE LAW WE
BRING THIS TO YOU ON REGULAR SESSION, TWO CHANGES THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE
SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF TONIGHT, YOU APPROVED ACTIONS PREVIOUSLY ON BOTH OF
THEM, ONE OF THEM IS MY CONTRACT AS YOUR CITY MANAGER AND THAT AGREEMENT IS FOR $245,000 A YEAR IN SALARY AND RECENTLY YOU APPROVED THE CREATION OF
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR POSITION AND THE SALARY FOR THAT POSITION RANGES FROM THE BOTTOM OF $156,768 AND INCREMENTAL STEPS UP TO THE TOP LEVEL WITH $190,000 500 -- $190,536, I APOLOGIZE FOR DIFFICULTY GETTING THAT OUT. BOTH OF
THE SALARIES ARE A LITTLE BIT BELOW HR, MARKET RATE THAT BOTH CONSIDERED COMPETITIVE BECAUSE THEY ARE WITHIN 5% OF WHAT IS ASSESSED MARKET RATE TO BE. WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL REGARDING THIS ITEM ? I HAVE ONE QUESTION I WANT TO
CONFIRM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CITY MANAGER POSITION AND COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR POSITION, THE SALARY RANGES, THE CONTENT OF THE SALARY AND BENEFIT RANGES HAS NOT CHANGED?
THAT IS CORRECT, IT IS ATTACHED TO THE REPORT AND IS ALSO ON OUR WEBSITE.
MOST OF THE POSITIONS, THE INFORMATION IS THE SAME AS THE PAST. AS TO THE
INTERIM COMMUNITY DIRECTOR, DO THESE APPLY TO HIM OR IS HE UNDER THE PRIOR SALARY?
ED LUCAS UNDER THE PLANNING DIRECTOR SALARY RANGE, THE TOP STEP, WHICH IS ALSO IN THE ATTACHMENT HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THOSE WERE MY ONLY QUESTIONS. COULD WE GO OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 10 REGARDING THE SALARY SCHEDULE, IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD GO TO IN CHAMBERS FIRST, SEEING
NONE, I WILL GO TO ZOOM, KYLE, LET ME GET THERE REAL QUICK, UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE.
YES, I CAN.
CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
YES, I CAN.
GO AHEAD.
I THINK ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL TAKING LAST YEAR SALARY SCHEDULE,
WHICH WAS APPROVED, DOING SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT,
YOU WILL SEE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHANGES COMPARED TO LAST YEAR'S AND IT IS WORTH DISCUSSING THOSE CHANGES. FOR ONE, THE CITY ATTORNEY SALARY SCHEDULE, WHICH WAS NOT LAST YEAR'S SALARY SCHEDULE. YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK, FISCAL
CRISIS, IS THAT SALARY SCHEDULE FOR THAT POSITION APPROPRIATE MOVING FORWARD? THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED YET. SECONDLY, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE
POLICE POSITION CHANGES THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM LAST YEAR'S SALARY SCHEDULE
THOSE ARE ACTIVELY DIFFERENT FROM LAST YEAR, WHY AREN'T THOSE BEING DISCUSSED? FINALLY, YOU HAVE THE OMISSION OF FIREFIGHTER STIPENDS FROM LAST YEAR SALARY SCHEDULE TO THIS YEAR'S SALARY SCHEDULE. IT SEEMS SOME
CONCERNING TO ME THAT THIS COUNCIL, WHO RADICALLY MADE THE CHANGE TO
ABANDON OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF CONSOLIDATION,
PUTTING A MASSIVE TAX UNDER THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE CITY, WITHIN A MONTH
OF THAT TIME, REMOVE, SILENTLY, THE STIPEND PAY FROM THE SALARY SCHEDULE THAT THEY ARE APPROVING IN THIS YEAR'S SALARY SCHEDULE APPROVAL. PLEASE,
SPEND SOME TIME, DISCUSS THESE ITEMS WITH THE PUBLIC, CORRECT THE RECORD,
THERE ARE ACTIVE CHANGES TO THE SALARY SCHEDULE DESPITE THE ONE STATED PREVIOUSLY, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, NEXT I WILL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS, SEEING NONE, I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. LINDA, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE? LINDA, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE? LINDA, GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE.
I THINK THAT WAS ON YOUR IN CHECK. I WAS PUSHING THE RIGHT BUTTON. ANYWAY,
KYLE, THANK YOU SO MUCH, PLEASE CONSIDER RUNNING, WE NEED TO HAVE RIGHT MINDED PEOPLE ON THIS CITY COUNCIL DESPERATELY. YOU AND SOME OF THE OTHER
PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE PULSE ON WHAT IS GOING ON, WE NEED SOME REPLACEMENT ON THE CITY COUNCIL. ANYWAY, ON THE SUBJECT, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE SAME
LONGTIME FIREFIGHTER WHO MENTIONED WHAT AN EMBARRASSMENT DIANA RICH IS, ALSO MENTIONED TO ME ABOUT SALARIES. HE POINTED OUT TO ME, ALTHOUGH I'M
COMPUTER-FREE, CELL PHONE-FREE, SO ON, POINTED OUT TO ME THAT THE OTHER CITIES
THAT GET PAID MORE THAN OTHER CITIES DO OUR SIZE AND SO ON AND THAT IS ONE MORE REASON WHY WE ARE IN THE FINANCIAL SITUATION THE CITY IS IN. IN ADDITION, DID NOT GET AROUND TO MENTIONING $1 MILLION DEFICIT THEY FOUND IN THE
WASTEWATER, IT IS UNCLEAR, THAT WAS THE WORD USED ON THE REPORTING, I GOT MY HANDS ON THAT.
I'M SORRY, LINDA, COULD YOU STICK TO THE ITEM? WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT ON THE SALARY SCHEDULE, THANK YOU.
LIKE I SAID, THE SALARY SCHEDULE, NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE PAYING. WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK, THE $5 MILLION YOU STILL WON'T ACKNOWLEDGE YOU BORROWED. ALSO --
LINDA, YOU HAVE 15 SECONDS.
WASTEWATER DEFICIT YOU'RE GLOSSING OVER. MENTION IN THE REPORT, NO BUDDY, ODDLY ENOUGH, SEEMS TO WANT TO FIND OUT WHERE THE HECK IT WENT. YOU KNOW.
THANK YOU, LINDA, FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE
SALARY SCHEDULE, IF YOU LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, GOING TO CHAMBERS, SEEING NONE. GOING BACK TO ZOOM, SEEING NO HANDS RAISED. PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BACK AT THE DAIS, VICE CHAIR ZOLLMAN.
THANK YOU, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE MOST RECENT PUBLIC COMMENT ARE ABOUT COMPARING THINGS SIDE-BY-SIDE. THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS RAISED AND MULTIPLE POLICE CHANGES, I DON'T KNOW, DID I MISS THOSE? I WILL
DIRECT THESE TO THE GENERAL MANAGER, WHAT ARE YOUR RESPONSES TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTOR AND REFERENCE THOSE?
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE LAST TIME THE COUNCIL APPROVED A PRIOR VERSION OF THIS MENTIONED IN THE REPORT WAS OCTOBER 1st OF LAST YEAR. I CAN'T SPEAK TO
WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE I GOT HERE BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, I KNOW IT IS THE
FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN AGENDA ITEM SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE WITH PAY RATES AND WAGES. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES OTHER THAN THESE TWO SINCE THE OCTOBER 1, 2023 REPORT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO THAT.
CAN I ALSO ADD ON, THAT WHEN CAME BACK SPECIFICALLY FOR POLICE POSITION, THAT
IS WHY THE SALARY CHANGES OCTOBER, PRIOR TO THAT, IT WOULD BE JULY AND THE COST OF LIVING INCREASE PER THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT M.O. USE,
THE BARGAINING GROUP SO THAT WILL BE WHY YOU SEE IT HIGHER NOW BECAUSE IT HAD THE INCREASES FROM THEIR CONTRACTS.
THANK YOU, STAFF.
AS FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, IS IT ACCURATE TO SAY THAT WHEN THERE ARE CHANGES IN
SALARIES AND BENEFITS, THERE SHOULD BE AN UPDATED SALARY SCHEDULE THAT COMES TO THE CITY COUNCIL, IS THAT CORRECT?
THAT IS CORRECT.
TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, QUESTION FOR MARY GOURLEY, THE KEEPER OF ALL RECORDS,
TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, IS THAT WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN THE PAST, WHEN THERE'S A CHANGE, COMES TO THE CITY COUNCIL?
HAS BEEN HAPPENING, IT WAS MISSED IN THE CITY MANAGER WANT WHICH IS WHY YOU
SEE HIS ON THE CONTRACT, HIS CONTRACT WAS APPROVED, YOU APPROVED TO SALARY RANGE, IT WAS NOT ADOPTED INTO THE SALARY SCHEDULE. NOW IT HAS BEEN INCORPORATED AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE? I THINK WE ARE LOOKING FOR A VOTE.
YES, MOVE TO APPROVE THAT PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM.
I WILL SECOND PERIOD
MARY GOURLEY.
SO MOVED BY VICE CHAIR ZOLLMAN AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HINTON
APPROVING THE SALARY SCHEDULE FOR THE GOVERNMENT CODE OF NEW SALARY RANGES FOR THE APPROVED POSITIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER HINTON. COUNCILMEMBER MAUER. COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS. VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, MAYOR RICH, THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 11 ON OUR AGENDA, THIS IS BROUGHT TO US, I BELIEVE I CITY ATTORNEY LARRY McLAUGHLIN. THIS ITEM, THE
SUBJECT REPRESENTATIVE FOR CALIFORNIA INTERGOVERNMENTAL RISK AUTHORITY,
CIRA AND REDWOOD EMPIRE MUNICIPAL INSURANCE FUND , REMIF BOARD SO OFF TO YOU, LARRY McLAUGHLIN.
ALMOST 50 YEARS, THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL PART OF AN INSURANCE POOL MADE UP OF
OTHER LOCAL CITIES WHICH JOIN THEIR RESOURCES AND FINANCES AND CREATE AN ALTERNATIVE TO EXPENSIVE PREMIUM PAID INSURANCE COVERAGE. THAT FIRST
ORGANIZATION WAS KNOWN AS THE REDWOOD EMPIRE MUNICIPAL INSURANCE FUND ,
ALSO REFERRED TO AS REMIF, THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL WAS ONE OF THE FIRST SEVEN
CITIES THAT FORMED THAT ORGANIZATION AND LATER JOINED BY EIGHT OTHER LOCAL CITIES WHO ARE A GROUP OF 15. A FEW YEARS AGO, THE REMIF BOARD OF DIRECTORS ELECTED TO EMERGE WITH ANOTHER ORGANIZATION HAD SOME 35 DIFFERENT CITIES AND FORM A LARGER ORGANIZATION TOTALING 50 CITIES, THAT ORGANIZATION IS
KNOWN AS THE CALIFORNIA INTERGOVERNMENTAL RISK AUTHORITY ALSO KNOWN AS CIRA . EACH OF THE MEMBERS CITIES OF CIRA, JUST LIKE REMIF BEFORE HAND , SINCE A
PERSON, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OR STAFF MEMBER TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTOR
MEETINGS AS PART OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS SO THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL
APPOINTS A PERSON, ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS OR CITY COUNCILMEMBER, TO BE A
MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, FIRST WITH REMIF AND LATER THE MERGER WITH CIRA . THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WITH CIRA MEET TWICE A YEAR. THEY ARE
ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR FORMING THE COST ALLOCATIONS THAT GO TO EACH
ONE OF THE MEMBERS CITIES IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY CONTRIBUTE TOWARD THE INSURANCE POOL. THE INSURANCE POOL COVERS EVERY KIND OF CONCEIVABLE INSURANCE NEED A CITY WOULD TYPICALLY HAVE. THEY HAVE PROPERTY DAMAGE,
LIABILITY, THEY COVER ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT OF THE CITIES, THEY COVER BUILDINGS
OWNED BY THE CITY, EVERYTHING THE CITIES WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE INSURANCE FOR AND NEGOTIATE EACH YEAR AS A PREMIUM PACKAGE IS COVERED BY CIRA. THE
BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAS A MAC IMPORTANT JOB TO DETERMINE EACH YEAR THE
ALLOCATIONS OF ALL THE VARIOUS MEMBERS CITIES WHICH IS BASED ON A VERY COMPLICATED FORMULA THAT INVOLVES USE OF ACTUARIES. THE RECORD OF EACH
INDIVIDUAL CITY IN TERMS OF CLAIMS THAT THEY HAVE, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES THEY HAVE, WHAT TYPES OF EQUIPMENT THAT HAVE AND PHYSICAL LOCALE OF THE CITY. THE
BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THIS ORGANIZATION HAS A VERY IMPORTANT JOB
REPRESENTING ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CITIES AND ASSESSING EACH ONE OF THEIR ALLOCATIONS FAIRLY AND EQUITABLY. AS I SAID, EACH CITY SENDS A PERSON WHO BECOMES A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I HAVE BEEN THE CITY'S
REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FIRST WITH REMIF AND THEM MERGER OF CIRA SINCE 2012 . THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, CITY CLERK MARY GOURLEY HAS BEEN MY ALTERNATE NUMBER. THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TYPICALLY
ARE EITHER A STAFF MEMBER WHO MIGHT BE A CITY MANAGER OR TYPICALLY A PERSON
FROM THE FINANCE OFFICE, AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE RESPECTIVE CITY COUNCILS OF THE CITIES. A NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF CIRA COME FROM CITY COUNCILS. THE CITY
COUNCIL MADE THE APPOINTMENTS TO REMIF AND CIRA EACH YEAR DURING REGULAR APPOINTMENT CYCLE. IT WAS NOT KNOWN THIS LAST TIME THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A
CHANGE SO I THINK THE COUNCIL BASICALLY AT THAT POINT IN DECEMBER ROUTINELY
REAPPROVED THE PRESENT SLATE OF DIRECTOR FOR MYSELF AND ALTERNATE DIRECTOR FOR THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF MY RETIREMENT,
COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE THE CHANGE AND APPOINT SOMEONE DIFFERENT TO THAT POSITION. AS ONE WHO SERVED ON THE BOARD ALL THESE DIFFERENT YEARS, I CAN TELL
YOU THERE IS A FAIRLY STEEP LEARNING CURVE TO BECOMING A VERY ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE ORGANIZATION. IT USED TO TAKE WITH REMIF ON AVERAGE OF A COUPLE YEARS
BEFORE A BOARD MEMBER WOULD FEEL REALLY COMFORTABLE MAKING THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS AND UNDERSTANDING FULLY THE ENTIRE PROCESS. IT IS MORE STREAMLINED NOW WITH CIRA . BECAUSE OF THE LARGE NUMBER OF CITIES THAT MAKE
UP CIRA , MANY OF THE HARD DECISIONS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS ARE FIRST
VETTED BY THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE FOR CIRA , WHICH IS MADE UP OF SOME MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WHO ARE THE MOST EXPERIENCED. IN
ADDITION, CIRA HAS COMMITTEES, STUDY EACH ONE OF THE SUBJECTS AND REPORT TO
THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WITH A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE QUESTION EXECUTIVE CITY COMMITTEE IS ABOUT TO TACKLE. BY THE TIME THE DECISION COMES TO THE
BOARD OF DIRECTORS, IT HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED AND UNDERSTOOD FIRST BY A
COMMITTEE AND THEN BY THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE SO THE PROCESS IS A LOT EASIER. NEVERTHELESS, IT DOES TAKE SOME STUDY AND WORK TO BECOME A FULLFLEDGED, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, EXPERIENCED MEMBER OF THE BOARD. IT IS
USUALLY BEST TO APPOINT SOMEONE WHO WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT JOB FOR PERIOD OF TIME.
OKAY.
WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS THE NEED
FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO ONE OF ITS MEMBERS OR A STAFF
MEMBER TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF CIRA AND SECONDLY, THE QUESTION ARISES AS FAR AS ATTENDANCE AT THIS YEAR'S MEETING. THERE ARE ONLY TWO MEETINGS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTOR OF CIRA ON THE EURO . THE SECOND MEETING OF THE YEAR IS THIS MAY 23rd, ONE DAY MEETING IN SACRAMENTO AND INVOLVES A STAY OVERNIGHT
THE NIGHT BEFORE AND A HOTEL IN DOWNTOWN SACRAMENTO AND THEN ALL DAY MEETING OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF CIRA . I MIGHT ALSO MENTION, REMIF
ORGANIZED ITS OWN HEALTH PLAN AND IT STILL CONDUCTS THAT HEALTH PLAN, ALTHOUGH THAT MAY BE TAKEN OVER IN THE FUTURE BY CIRA. AT THE PRESENT TIME, REMIF BOARD DEALS WITH THE HEALTH PLAN. ANYONE APPOINTED TO THE BOARD OF
CIRA WOULD ALSO BE APPOINTED AT THE SAME TIME TO THE BOARD OF REMIF BECAUSE OF THE DUTIES OF ADMINISTERING THE HEALTH PLAN. THOSE MEETINGS TAKE PLACE AT THE SAME TIME AS THE CIRA MEETINGS SO THEY WOULD BE ON MAY 23rd. I DID SAY IF NEED BE, I'M THE ONLY ONE AVAILABLE POTENTIALLY TO GO TO THE MAY 23rd MEETING FROM STAFF. ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER CANNOT ATTEND, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A
LOT OF SENSE FOR ME TO ATTEND THAT PARTICULAR MEETING SINCE I'M RETIRING ONLY A MONTH LATER. WHAT THAT MEETING DOES HAVE, IT HAS INTENSE ORIENTATION SESSION AS THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. THAT ORIENTATION SESSION IS
SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ORIENT NEW MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO THE ACTIVITIES OF CIRA, SOME OF WHICH I JUST ALLUDED TO AND BRIEFED. THAT
ORIENTATION SECTION IS THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA OF THAT BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING ON MAY 23rd.
OKAY.
I THINK I'M GOING TO STOP YOU.
I THINK IT WOULD BE IN YOUR INTEREST TO ATTEND THAT MEETING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M LOOKING, QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR.
SORRY, NO QUESTION, IS GOING TO THROW MY HAT INTO THE RING.
THAT IS GOOD INFORMATION, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS? I HAVE A QUESTION, THE STAFF REPORT SAYS MAY 22nd AND 23rd BUT IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE MAY 22nd IS THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING SO
ATTENDANCE FROM ANYONE FROM SEBASTOPOL WOULD ARRIVE ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT BUT ATTEND ALL DAY ON MAY 23?
THAT IS CORRECT WE ARE NOT PRESENTLY ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
THE OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU MENTIONED TWO MEETINGS EACH YEAR, ONE SOUNDS LIKE IT OCCURS REGULARLY IN MAY. WHEN IS THE OTHER MEETING, GENERALLY?
IT IS TYPICALLY AT THE END OF THE YEAR SO TOWARD THE FALL, THERE'S NOT SET THE ONE YET, DECEMBER WOULD PROBABLY BE THE NEXT ONE.
GENERALLY, MAY AND DECEMBER. OKAY. MY NEXT QUESTION IS WHETHER THE CITY
MANAGER OR THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IS INTERESTED IN EITHER OF THESE APPOINTMENTS. IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A COUNCILMEMBER INTERESTED BUT I THINK IT
WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHETHER CITY MANAGER OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER WOULD BE INTERESTED TO BE A LEADER OR BACKUP POSITION?
ONLY IF NECESSARY BUT WOULD PREFER A MORE QUALIFIED PERSON WOULD BE EVEN BETTER, SOMEONE WITH MORE INSURANCE BACKGROUND. IF NEEDED -- YOU COULD STEP IN.
MARY GOURLEY, ANY COMMENTS?
NO, I'M FINE STAYING THE ALTERNATE.
WILLING IF NEEDED, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, IF PEOPLE ARE VOLUNTEERING, I WILL PUT MY NAME IN THE RING, I HAVE INSURANCE BACKGROUND EXPERIENCE HANDLING MY COMPANY.
OKAY, WE HAVE TWO COUNCILMEMBERS INTERESTED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO OUT TO PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. MARY, IF YOU COULD HANDLE PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF A REPRESENTATIVE TO SIT ON THE REMIF OR CIRA BOARDS . IF THERE IS PUBLIC, IN CHAMBERS, SEEING NONE, I WILL GO TO ZOOM. IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC, ON THIS ITEM, KYLE, COULD YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE?
YES, I CAN.
CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER STILL?
YES, I CAN. I RECALL THE TIME WE MOVED FROM REMIF INTO CIRA I ALSO RECALL CONVERSATION AROUND THE TIME THE CITY MANAGER ANNOUNCED HIS LEAVING. IT IS A LITTLE CONCERNING THAT ONCE AGAIN, OUR CITY COUNCILS WAITING UNTIL THE 11th
HOUR TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT AN APPOINTMENT FOR A POSITION THAT WILL IN PERPETUITY GO ON AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS REALLY IMPORTANT BOARD. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT CIRA. IS CIRA RESPONSIBLE FOR LOOKING AT CLAIMS OF ELECTRONIC WIRE FRAUD THE CITY MIGHT EXPERIENCE? CIVIL LITIGATION AS A RESULT OF LIKE THE ILLEGAL PARKING ORDINANCE. ANY SORT OF CIVIL LITIGATION, POLICE MISCONDUCT, ARE THESE THINGS THAT CIRA MUNICIPALITY OVER?
LAWSUITS FAILURE TO MAINTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS,
INSTEAD PRIORITIZING OTHER GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES, ARE THESE THE TYPES OF THINGS CIRA HAS OVERSIGHT OVER ? WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, DOES INDIVIDUAL
MUNICIPALITY, IS THERE SOME SORT OF RECUSAL OR CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT
TAKES PLACE WITH THOSE EXECUTIVE REPORTS WHEN A MEMBER CITY IS THE ACTUAL, THE ONE AT CLAIM FOR SOME SORT OF INSURANCE NEED IN THAT SPACE. I WOULD LOVE
TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE ANSWERS BECAUSE I THINK KNOWING MORE ABOUT WHAT
THIS BOARD ACTUALLY IS, WHY ARE COUNCILMEMBERS, IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF
MAKING THE DECISION RATHER THAN PUSHING THROUGH AND TRYING TO DO THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE CASE. THANKS.
THANK YOU, KYLE, FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS, SEEING NONE, GOING TO SAME. LINDA, UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE. THANK YOU, GO
AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE
ONCE AGAIN, KYLE, VERY INSIGHTFUL AND GOOD NEED TO KNOW INFORMATION THAT
YOU BROUGHT UP, ESPECIALLY WHOSE LIABILITY FOR FAILURE TO MAINTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR NUMBER OF YEARS. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THEY ALSO COVER FIRE INSURANCE. THERE HAS BEEN A CASE IN SAN FRANCISCO THAT ENSURES
OUR PULLING OUT, THEY ARE NO LONGER ENSURING HOUSING BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY WHICH THE CITY IS MOVING TOWARD, ESPECIALLY WITH 96 UNITS CONNECTED HOUSING AT CANOPY. THESE THINGS, I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL OUGHT TO TAKE INTO
CONSIDERATION THE LIABILITY FOR AND WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE
INADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE FOR ALL THESE BUILDING DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE EITHER BEING BUILT OR IN THE PIPELINE TO BE BUILT. AGAIN, I AM SERIOUSLY
SUGGESTING YOU PUT A PAUSE ON ALL OF THE BUILDING UNTIL YOU START TO SIT BACK
AND TAKE A BETTER LOOK AT WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE AND THIS TOWN'S ABILITY TO ADEQUATELY TAKE CARE OF INCREASED POPULATION AND TRAFFIC. IT IS CLEAR WE
DON'T HAVE --
LINDA, YET 22nd.
THE SEWAGE, $1 MILLION DEFICIT, NOBODY SEEMS TO BE WANTING TO FIND OUT WHERE
IT WENT, RATHER GO AHEAD AND RAISE RATES AND ALSO THE FIRE TAX WITHOUT THE PUBLIC CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE.
THAT IS TWO MINUTES, THANK YOU, LINDA FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS PUBLIC, FOR THE REMIF AND CIRA REPRESENTATIVE. PUBLIC COMMENT AT CHAMBERS, SEEING NONE, GOING TO ZOOM, SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARY GOURLEY. WE ARE AT THE DAIS AGAIN FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, ANYONE WANT TO START? I THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE TWO COUNCILMEMBERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS APPOINTMENT. WE HAVE
COUNCILMEMBER VICE MAYOR STEPHEN ZOLLMAN AND CONSUL MEMBER HENTON PART I HAVE THE QUESTION FOR STAFF, WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE ALTERNATE? IS IT ONLY ONE PERSON WHO ATTENDS THESE MEETINGS? CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND PRIMARY VERSUS ALTERNATE?
PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE BOTH ATTEND, WE BOTH ATTEND THE MEETINGS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE UP-TO-DATE WITH WHAT IS GOING ON. THE PRIMARY IS THE VOTING PERSON FROM THE ULTIMATE WOULD VOTE IF THE PRIMARY IS NOT AVAILABLE. BOTH PEOPLE CAN ATTEND THE MEETINGS.
INTERESTING. DOES THAT HAVE FINANCIAL IMPACT WE HAVE WITH OUR BUDGET WITH THE OVERNIGHT STAY FOR TWO?
YES, I WAS GETTING THERE. CIRA COVERS THE COST, THE CITY DOES NOT COVER THE HOTEL COST AND THE MEAL, THAT IS PAID FOR BY THEM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, GIVEN YOUR EXPERIENCE, YOU AND LARRY McLAUGHLIN FILLING THE ROLE IN THE PAST, DO YOU SEE ANY DOWNSIDE
TO TWO COUNCILMEMBERS FILLING THE ROLE NOT BEING A STAFF PERSON INVOLVED OR
THE THE REVERSE WOULD BE, SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT A STAFF MEMBER TAKING ON ONE OF THESE ROLES?
I'M NOT AWARE OF A CITY THAT HAS TWO COUNCILMEMBERS, I'M NOT SAYING IT COULD NOT HAPPEN. I DON'T HAVE THE ROSTER IN FRONT OF ME, LARRY, YOU AWARE OF THE CITY WITH TWO COUNTS OF NUMBERS?
I'M NOT AWARE OF THE CITY WITH TWO COUNCILMEMBERS, I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY
IT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT IS SO STREAMLINED NOW WITH
ORIENTATION AND SO FORTH, I THINK THE PERSON'S BACKGROUND IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT ROLE THEY PLAY ELSEWHERE. SOMEONE IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS
LONG, SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN FROM CITY COUNCIL, THE MOST EFFECTIVE BOARD MEMBERS.
EXCELLENT. COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS.
I WAS WONDERING, YOU HAVE THIS ORIENTATION THAT HAPPENS IN MAY, TO HAPPEN EVERY TIME THERE'S A MEETING? NO.
THERE'S ORIENTATION THAT TAKES PLACE DURING THE TWO-DAY CONFERENCE,
TYPICALLY, THE OTHER WENT IS A SHORT HOUR TRAINING BUT NOT AS COMPREHENSIVE AS THE ONE THAT TAKES PLACE IN MAY, THAT IS A BIG TRAINING SESSION.
THE REASON I ASKED THAT, I'M SO THRILLED TO BE VOLUNTEER, I DON'T WANT TO PUT
MY HAT IN THE RING FOR THAT, YOU HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ELECTION
COMING UP, I WONDER IF WE HAVE COUNCILMEMBER, COUNCILMEMBERS GOING OUT, WILL WE BE ABLE TO REPLACE THEM EASILY, HAVE THAT TRANSITION? I'M TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT --
RIGHT, THAT USED TO BE MORE OF AN ISSUE THAN IT IS NOW. NOW IT IS REALLY NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE EXTENSIVE USE OF AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. SECONDLY, BECAUSE OF THE ORIENTATION SESSIONS, I DON'T THINK THAT IS AN ISSUE.
OKAY, I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE THERE'S THAT POTENTIAL SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND.
IT USED TO BE LEARN ON YOUR OWN.
OH.
I WANTED TO ADD, THE REASON WE'RE ASKING TODAY IF THERE IS ANY CHANGE, REMIF
AND CIRA HAVE TO APPROVE THE BOARD MEMBERS CAN THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA TO APPROVE IT. WE SEND THE NAMES TO REMIF AND CIRA, THEY PUT ON THE AGENDA AND APPROVE THE MEMBERS. USUALLY ON CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM.
GOTCHA, THAT HAPPENS IN MAY.
THAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THERE'S A CHANGE SO IF SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD WE CHANGE REPRESENTATIVES, IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING. WE WOULD SEND THE NAMES, THEY WOULD APPROVE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
GOTCHA.
AT I LIKE THE OBLIGATION FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT STEP UP IS FOR BOTH
REPRESENTATIVES TO COMMIT TO ATTENDING THESE FULL-DAY SESSIONS TWICE A YEAR IN MAY AND DECEMBER. ARE THE DECEMBER ONES NEAR THE HOLIDAYS, CAN YOU GIVE US ANY SENSE OF IT?
TYPICALLY THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER, NOT TOWARD THE HOLIDAYS I WILL SAY
PERSONALLY, MAY NOT ATTENDING THE ONE IN MAY IS NOT AN ISSUE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD THE LAST 10 YEARS, HOWEVER LONG IT'S BEEN, IF THERE ARE GOING TO
BE NEW MEMBERS AND THAT WANTS TO DO THAT, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT MAY ONE, THE DECEMBER ONE IS NOT AS INTENSE.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, ARE YOU AVAILABLE ON MAY 23 TO DRIVE DOWN MAY 22, STATE ALL THE WAY THROUGH MAY 23 BECAUSE IT ASSUMED. VICE CHAIRS OMEN?
YES, I HAVE RESEARCHED AND HAPPY TO MAKE IT.
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
I'M AVAILABLE TO ATTEND MAY 23rd AND DECEMBER.
OKAY, GREAT I WILL GO OUT AND SUGGEST WE APPOINT THE TWO COUNCILMEMBERS
THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST AND AS HIS PRIMARY INTO HIS ALTERNATE, I DON'T
KNOW HOW TO RESOLVE THAT SO SOMEONE COULD CHIME IN, I CAN SEE COUNCILMEMBER MAURER.
WE SHOULD HAVE APPOINTMENT AND IF THEY ARE EXPERIENCED --
ONE MORE QUESTION, SINCE WE ALWAYS HAD STUFF ATTENDING THIS, SHOULD WE
HAVE SOME SORT OF A GREAT PROTOCOL TO ENSURE THE STAFF HITS THE DOWNLOAD ON WHAT IS GOING ON? I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE BREAK PROTOCOL -- I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. I OFFERED TO MEET WITH WHOEVER IS APPOINTED.
IF WE HAVE TWO COUNCIL NUMBERS ATTENDING THE MEETINGS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE
WE HAVE SOME SORT OF PROCESS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THE STAFF IS UP-TO-DATE ON
WHAT IS GOING ON SINCE THEY ARE INTERNALLY DEALING WITH THIS, THAT IS WHAT I'M ASKING.
YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND MEETING WITH WHOEVER WILL BE APPOINTED BECAUSE
HE WILL BE GETTING MULTIPLE EMAILS RELATED TO THE CITY, TRAININGS, THEY WILL BE COMING TO YOU, CLAIMS WILL BE COMING TO YOU, REVIEWS, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT IS INTEGRAL WE ARE PART OF THAT PROCESS.
IS THAT INTO OUR DECISION REGARDING PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE? DO THOSE MESSAGES COME TO JUST THE PRIMARY OR BOTH?
TYPICALLY THEY GO TO BOTH AREAS YOU NEED TO DESIGNATE A PRIMARY FOREBODING YET
COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING TWO COUNCILMEMBERS AND NOT A STAFF MEMBER, PERSONALLY, I KNOW HOW BUSY WE CAN GET AT TIMES. I'M NOT SAYING IT IS THE DECIDING FACTOR, I DO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT NOT HAVING ANY STAFF INVOLVED.
COUNCILMEMBER.
MENTION THE COMMITMENT EACH CITY HAS TO MAKE IS ONE PERSON TO VOTE AND ATTEND AND WILL VOTE. IT IS NOT TWO. TWO CAN ATTEND AND THEY WILL PAY YOUR WAY, ONE IS NEEDED.
UNDERSTAND THAT. WHEN DESCRIBING ALL THE DIFFERENT CLAIMS AND SUCH, I WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THAT THAT IS ON STAFF. THAT IS MY CONCERN.
AGAIN, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO APPOINT TWO COUNCILMEMBERS, IT IS A MATTER
OF COMMUNICATION BECAUSE THEY WILL BE CLOSED SESSIONS YOU ARE ATTENDING
BECAUSE YOU ARE VOTING ON CLAIMS BROUGHT FORTH FROM OTHER CITIES AS WELL, STUFF LIKE THAT. LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE TRAININGS, OPPORTUNITIES, IT IS A MATTER OF COMMUNICATION. AS LONG AS WE ARE IN THE LOOP, WE CAN DIRECT WHERE THE EMAILS NEED TO GO OR INFORMATION NEEDS TO GET TO THE COUNCILMEMBERS.
THANK YOU, I THINK HAD A COMMENT --
THANK YOU, ONE OF THE QUALITIES ARE CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED WOULD BE IMPORTANT WOULD BE LONGEVITY. STEPHEN ZOLLMAN HAS 2 1/2 YEARS LEFT, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, HER TERM IS UP IN SIX MONTHS. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON MATT. -- THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR BOTH PITCHES FOR THE POSITION.
OKAY, LET'S HEAR THE PITCHES. VICE CHAIR, GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, ME EXPLAIN WHY I WANT THIS, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT
IS A VERY HUGE DECISION TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE SMALL CITIES LIKE OURS, HOW THESE CLAIMS GET RESOLVED ARE VERY CRUCIAL. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE MY EXPERIENCE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE INSURANCE ANKLE.
PERSONAL INJURY LAWYER IN CHICAGO SO I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE DEALING WITH
NEGOTIATING INSURANCE SETTLEMENTS WITH INITIALLY UNMOVABLE INSURANCE COMPANIES. THEN I SPENT A YEAR ON THE INSURANCE SIDE TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO PLAINTIFFS WHY THEY ARE NOT DESERVING OF BEING COVERED. I ALSO HAVE A
MASTERS IN HEALTH LAW DEGREE, I CAN'T SAY I'VE EVER REALLY IMPLEMENTED IN THE
REAL WORLD BUT I HAVE THE BASIS OF UNDERSTANDING HOW HEALTHCARE CLAIMS ARE RESOLVED. GOOD AND NOT SO GOOD. I DID READ THAT PART OF IT IS KNOWLEDGE
HOW GPAS WORK, BEING ON THE LIBRARY COMMISSION FOR YEAR, I'M VERY AWARE THE
INTRICACIES OF HOW THINGS WORK AND HOW THINGS ARE PRODUCTIVE AND NOT SO
PRODUCTIVE AND FILLING THE ROLE AS LIAISON TO THE LIBRARY, I'M STILL DEALING WITH THE RAMIFICATIONS OF HOW GPAS WORK. HAVING THE EXPERIENCE OF SINNING
REVENUE AND TAXATION POLICY COMMITTEE FOR CAL CITIES, NOT FULL YEAR, LESS
THAN A FULL YEAR AFTER I WAS ELECTED WAS HELPFUL AND I CURRENTLY SIT ON THE CAL CITIES COMMUNITY SERVICES POLICY COMMITTEE. KNOWING AND MAKING THOSE
CONNECTIONS NOT ONLY WITH FELLOW SELECTED STATEWIDE, ALSO STAFF MIGHT BE HELPFUL SO THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN FROM OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS? OKAY, YOU CARRIED A LOT OF HATS, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON PLEASE.
HALESITE OBVIOUSLY EIGHTH YEAR ON THE COUNCIL AND I DON'T PLAN TO BE LEAVING THE COUNCIL. I WON MY FIRST ELECTION WITH THE STRONGHOLD SO I BELIEVE I WILL DO THAT AGAIN. I WAS ALSO AROUND FOR THE DAY WHEN REMIF MERGED AND BECAME CIRA ON MAY 4, 2021 SIGN OF THE BACKBONE OF THE MERGER BETWEEN INSURANCE COMPANIES AND ISOLATE THE ISSUE BACK THEN, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. WHILE I'M
NOT A LAWYER, I HANDLED ALL THE INSURANCE INCLUDED WORKERS COMP FOR MIKE COMPANIES THAT DEAL WITH ASSISTED-LIVING FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS. I ALSO
RECENTLY STEPPED BACK IN MY JOB, MY ROLE AT WORK AND I'M WORKING PART-TIME
SO I HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMMIT AND I HAVE THE LATEST COMMITTEE LIST OF ANY
COUNCILMEMBER, I TOOK THAT PURPOSELY BECAUSE AT THE TIME, I WAS VERY BUSY AT
WORK BUT MY SITUATION HAS CHANGED SO I FEEL LIKE I HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, LONGEVITY, AND THE BACKGROUND TO TAKE ON THIS COMMITMENT, THANKS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS? THIS IS A TOUGH ONE, I
LOOKED AT THE APPOINTMENTS, THERE IS HEAVY DISTRIBUTION OF APPOINTMENTS VICE
MAYOR ZOLLMAN HAS TAKEN ON, WHICH MIGHT ARGUE FOR PRIMARY APPOINTMENT FOR COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. ON THE OTHER SIDE, I'M OBSERVING THAT VICE MAYOR
ZOLLMAN HAS MANY BROADER POLICY RELATED APPOINTMENTS I THINK MIGHT CONTRIBUTE TOWARD HIS VOICE AS THE PRIMARY VOTE IN THIS APPOINTMENT. THAT IS MY INITIAL COMMENTS. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY INPUT?
CANNOT RESPOND TO THAT? BECAUSE EIGHT YEARS ON THE COUNCIL, I HAVE BEEN ON VERY MANY COMMITTEES INCLUDING POLICY COMMITTEES. AS MAYOR, I STEPPED ASIDE TO LET OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK I HAVE A HISTORY OF THAT
IN THE LAST TWO YEARS AND I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE HELD AGAINST ME TO LET
OTHER PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE, WHICH DID NOT HAPPEN NECESSARILY FOR ME ON THIS COUNCIL FOR SIX YEARS.
GOT IT. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM ANYONE? COUNCILMEMBER MAUER? I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU BOTH FOR OFFERING. LESS THAN A POSITION I'M
INTERESTED IN, I'M GLAD WE HAD NOT ONE BUT TWO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO IT SO THANK YOU. I DON'T, I GUESS I'M WONDERING HOW BADLY YOU WOULD LIKE THIS, IT
SOUNDED LIKE COUNCILMEMBER HINTON FELT PRETTY STRONGLY SHE REALLY
STRONGLY ONCE THIS SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT QUESTION OF VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, HOW STRONGLY DO YOU WANT THE POSITION?
MAYBE I WAS NOT EMPHATIC ENOUGH, I REALLY DO WANT THE POSITION BECAUSE ONE,
I THINK APPLYING MY PAST EXPERIENCE ON BOTH SIDES, SORT OF SEEING AND HEARING
THE ARGUMENTS ON ONE SIDE AND SEEING HOW THE DECISION-MAKING IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH MY OTHER POTENTIAL APPOINTEES IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING. ALSO
THE FACT I THINK THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE WILL BE HELPFUL ON BEHALF OF OUR SMALL CITY. LIKE I SAID, EACH ONE OF THESE CLAIMS IS VERY CRUCIAL. WHEN I DID
PLAINTIFF WORK, SLIP AND FALLS ON CITY-OWNED PROPERTY, YOU THINK NOT A BIG DEAL BUT THOSE CLAIMS COME IN A LOT MORE THAN NORMAL PEOPLE WOULD EXPECT.
I'M VERY INTERESTED, THANK YOU.
THIS IS A QUANDARY. STAFF, ANY SUGGESTION ON HOW WE BREAK THIS, WHAT WE DO, DO WE DRAW STRAWS? I'M REALLY CONFUSED.
I DON'T THINK WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC.
ANY INPUT FROM STAFF?
DECIDE WE ARE ONLY DOING ONE, I KNOW EXPRESS MY CONCERNS, DID WE DECIDE? LET'S GET THAT ISSUE RESOLVED. WHAT IS THE PERSPECTIVE, LET'S DO A STRAW VOTE, IS THE COUNCIL'S WILL TO APPOINT TWO COUNCILMEMBERS TO THESE OPENINGS? OR
MAYBE WE SHOULD DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY, DOES THE COUNCIL FEEL IT IS IMPORTANT TO APPOINT A STAFF MEMBER TO ONE OF THESE POSITIONS? ANYONE FEELING STRONGLY ABOUT THAT? WE HAVE ONE COUNCILMEMBER WHO FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT THAT AND WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER MAURER .
I WANT TO KNOW FROM STAFF, DO YOU FEEL IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE STAFF AS AN ALTERNATE?
AHEAD.
LIKE MARY ANSWERED FIRST, I DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE EITHER OF THESE HAVE.
MY TAKE IS, AS LONG AS THEY ARE SOLID LINES OF COMMUNICATION, I THINK WE
REASONABLY EXPECT AND ESTABLISH, I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE A CONCERN WITH IT, IN A WAY I HAVE A PREFERENCE. BECAUSE I THINK AT LEAST THE EXPERTISE WITH THE
BACKGROUND AND HISTORY TO ME WOULD TRUMP THE STAFF VERSUS COUNCILMEMBER PERSPECTIVE. THAT IS MY TAKE AND I WOULD PREFER IT TO BE A COUNCIL MEMBER AS
LONG AS THERE'S GOOD COMMUNICATION, GIVEN THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS.
OKAY, MARY GOURLEY.
I WOULD AGREE, I CAN'T STRESS STRONGLY ENOUGH THE COMMUNICATION BECAUSE
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN AT THESE MEETINGS THAT IMPACT THE CITY AND THE STAFF SO THAT IS ALL I ASK, THEIR COMMUNICATIONS.
OKAY. THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION. I THINK EVERYONE WAS OKAY, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER MAURER .
COULD THEY BOTH GO TO THE MEETING AND ALTERNATE WHO VOTES? NO. OKAY.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I THINK ONE WAY OF TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION GIVEN
THAT WE HAVE TWO, WE LISTENED TO THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, THEY ARE BOTH
INCREDIBLY WELL-QUALIFIED, THEY WILL BE THERE AND ATTEND ALL OF THE MEETINGS AND WE COMMITTED TO PARTICIPATING. ONE WAY OF DEALING WITH THIS IS TO LOOK AT
THE NUMBER OF APPOINTMENTS, MAKE IT HOW MANY APPOINTMENTS DOES VICE MAYOR
ZOLLMAN CARRY AT THE MOMENT, HOW MANY APPOINTMENTS DOES COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. AT THE MOMENT? I'M LOOKING AT A VERY HEAVY LOAD ON VICE MAYOR
ZOLLMAN'S PLATE, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP REMIND US, VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF APPOINTMENTS AT THIS POINT, DON'T YOU?
AS FAR AS THE REGION ONE, ONLY SYSTEMICALLY POWER, AS FAR AS THE LOCAL LENS,
AS WE ALL SORT OF FOUND OUT, DEFINITELY COMMITMENT LEVEL IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT. SOME ARE ADAMANT ABOUT ATTENDING BOARD MEMBER BOARD MEETINGS, SOME ARE LIKE JUST SEND ME AN EMAIL, KEEP ME APPRISED. EVEN THE ONE THAT REALLY
WANTS THE PHYSICAL BOARD, THEY TEND TO PUT YOU UP FRONT, IF YOU WANT TO STAY, YOU CAN STAY.
ON THE REGIONAL LEVEL, THE BIG PICTURE ONES, NOT THE LOCAL, THE COUNTY AND JPA, THE REGIONAL, THE POWER OF APPOINTMENT AND WHAT ELSE?
THAT'S IT, I'M JUST ALTERNATE ON THE ONES APPOINTED THROUGH THE MAYORS AND COUNCILMEMBERS.
OKAY, YOU HAVE --
SANDY REMINDED ME OF CHAPTER PLANNING COUNCIL, YES AND A BACK, ON THE ALTERNATE AND SUSAN ADAMS.
WE HAVE THREE KIND OF ENGAGEMENTS AND COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, WHAT DO YOU HAVE ON THAT LEVEL?
I HAVE THE GSA WHICH MEET QUARTERLY, ARE GCA, CPA THAT MEETS MONTHLY AND I
HAVE A LIGHT LOAD IN TOWN BECAUSE WHEN I WAS WORKING OUT OF TOWN, I WAS UNABLE TO TAKE THOSE COMMENTS AT THE TIME.
IT SOUNDS PRETTY EVEN TO ME. I'M REALLY CONFUSED. IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE TWO COUNCILMEMBERS WHO ARE EQUALLY INTERESTED IN THESE APPOINTMENTS.
COUNCILMEMBERS ALLMAN HAS A TOTAL NUMBER THAT IS GREATER BUT IN TERMS OF THIS LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY, IT SEEMS TO BE ABOUT SIMILAR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, WE CAN'T APPOINT BOTH OF THEM TO THE PRIMARY, THEY BOTH WANT PRIMARY.
WHAT IF WE START WITH PRIMARY ALTERNATE AND SWITCH IT UP NEXT YEAR, CHANGE IT UP IF THEY'RE INTERESTED SWITCHING IT UP.
YOU CAN DO THAT. IT IS NOT A TERM. IT IS TO THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE. SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, YOU CAN SAY THE SCHEDULE IS TOO HEAVY
FOR SOMEONE AND YOU WANT TO REPLACE THAT REPRESENTATIVE, THEY CAN DO IT AT THAT TIME. IT IS A MOTION THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH CIRA FOR THE APPROVAL OF WHOEVER THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE.
CAN I JUST SAY THAT MIGHT SOLVE ITS OWN ISSUES AS I'M UP FOR RE-ELECTION THIS YEAR? IF I WERE THE PRIMARY THIS YEAR, DID NOT GET RE-ELECTED, WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS.
FOR ME, PERSONALLY, THEY ARE BOTH QUALIFIED, BASED ON THE EXPERIENCES AND
EVERYTHING THAT I'M LOOKING AT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO LOOK AT, THE GUARANTEED LONGEVITY RIGHT NOW, NOT HAVING THAT SWITCH UP MIDYEAR. I HATE, I
KNOW THAT YOU ARE SUPER QUALIFIED, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE LONGEVITY OF THE AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS LARRY McLAUGHLIN HAS MADE. I DON'T KNOW IF
ANYONE IS CONSIDERING, IT IS REALLY HARD TO FIGURE OUT, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD
FLIP A COIN BUT AT THE SAME TIME HAVING THAT LONGEVITY, GUARANTEED RIGHT NOW.
I WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THESE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS, I KNOW IT IS A HARD DECISION. I WILL GO OUT THERE, I'M LOOKING AT THE APPOINTMENTS WE
HAVE FOR COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, SHE HAS SOME POWERFUL APPOINTMENTS AT THE MOMENT, AS CTA, NRC P.A., THOSE ARE THE APPOINTMENTS, POWERS IMPORTANT BUT DOES NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF CTA AND NRC P.A. AND THE LONGEVITY ARGUMENT OF COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS AND MY PROPOSAL FOR THIS YEAR WOULD BE THE VICE
MAYOR ZOLLMAN BE APPOINTED AS PRIMARY AND COUNCILMEMBER HINTON APPOINTED AS ALTERNATE. I WILL JUST MAKE A DECISION, ANYONE HAVE INPUT ON THAT, ANY CONCERNS, COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER HINTON, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ONE FINAL PLEA?
I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I SERVED ON THE COUNCIL FOR EIGHT YEARS. IT FEELS WRONG
THAT I SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, I'M SORRY, I'M EMOTIONAL, THAT I SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO TAKE ON THIS APPOINTMENT. I HAVE BEEN TURNED DOWN TWICE FOR NTC AND STEPS ASIDE FOR APPOINTMENTS TO THIS COUNCIL. IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE
COUNCIL, I WILL ACCEPT IT BUT I THINK IT IS WRONG TO SAY BECAUSE I HAVE AN
UPCOMING ELECTION, I WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED, I HAVE TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD TO THIS COMMUNITY.
I PROPOSE WE TAKE YES --
I WANT TO CLARIFY CAN YOU JUST DATED, WAS THAT A MOTION?
THAT WAS A MOTION, HOWEVER, I'M THINKING OF PERHAPS, IS A MEMBER HINTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK FOR A MINUTE?
NO, I'M FINE TO I WANT TO STATE HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. THERE IS NO NEED TO TAKE A BREAK, SORRY. HOPEFULLY, I HAVE NOT MADE ANYBODY UNCOMFORTABLE.
NO, WHATEVER THE POINT IS HERE TO SHARE YOUR OPINIONS AND SKILLS SO THANK
YOU FOR DOING THAT
YOU ASKED ME TO MAKE ANOTHER, SO I DID.
I APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
THIS IS ALL UNCOMFORTABLE.
I MADE A MOTION. MARY GOURLEY.
IS THERE A SECOND?
OKAY, WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND. CAN I ASK, WHO ELSE, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO
THROUGH THE FULL AGENDA, I NEED A MOTION, HAVE NOT RECEIVED A SECOND, I GUESS I'M WAITING FOR A MOTION HERE. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO NOT MAKE A DECISION TODAY? THAT IS WHAT I NEED TO KNOW.
IF YOU DO NOT MAKE A DECISION TODAY, LARRY HAS OFFERED TO ATTEND THE MEETING ON THE 23rd, HE WOULD STILL BE ON THE MEETING FOR THE 23rd TO
OKAY, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE GIVE HIM THE DIFFICULTY OF THE DECISION-MAKING
HERE, WE GO AHEAD AND HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY ATTEND THE MAY MEETING AND
THIS APPOINTMENT BE CONSIDERED DURING THE REGULAR PROCESS IN EARLY
DECEMBER, WHICH HOPEFULLY WOULD ALLOW TEMPERANCE OF SOMEONE BY DECEMBER, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO STAFF?
MAYOR, IT IS MY ANNIVERSARY WEEKEND AND I HAD A TRIP PLANNED, ONLY BECAUSE
THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER COULD NOT MAKE IT THAT I STEP UP, SOMEBODY HAS TO ATTEND. I'M LOOKING AT TWO COUNCILMEMBERS, BOTH OF WHOM HAVE SAID THEY ARE
ABLE TO ATTEND THIS PARTICULAR MEETING, I HAVE A REASON BESIDES MY IMPENDING
RETIREMENT, WHY I WOULD EVER NOT TO HAVE TO ATTEND THAT PARTICULAR MEETING I MADE A MOTION, I DID NOT GET A SECOND SO THIS DECISION HAS TO BE MADE TODAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES? I'M TURNING TO STAFF, I DON'T THINK SO?
ONLY OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANYBODY AT THIS MEETING
BECAUSE I HAD ALREADY INFORMED FOUR MONTHS AGO I ALREADY HAD PLANS AND WOULD NOT BE IN TOWN.
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE AT THAT MEETING?
WHATEVER ITEMS COMING UP, I DON'T HAVE THE AGENDA, WHATEVER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, WE WOULD NOT HAVE INPUT INTO.
OKAY. SOMEONE NEEDS TO COME I MADE A MOTION, THERE WAS NO SECOND, I'M LOOKING FOR OTHER ACTION. COUNCILMEMBER MAURER .
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE TWO OF YOU WHO WOULD LIKE THIS POSITION, WOULD EITHER ONE OF YOU BE WILLING TO TAKE THE ALTERNATE POSITION? YOU BOTH WANT THE PRIMARY, WHAT IF WE DRAW STRAWS OR SOMETHING?
WE COULD DO THAT, WHY NOT? DOES STAFF HAVE ANY ALTERNATIVE FOR US, SOME METHOD THAT WE COULD USE TO RANDOMLY CHOOSE? COUNCILMEMBER MAURER HAS HER NOTEPAD OUT.
I COULD THINK OF A NUMBER BETWEEN ONE AND 100 AND WHOEVER GETS CLOSEST TO IT COMES THE PRIMARY.
LET'S HAVE STAFF RIGHT ON THE NUMBER RATHER THAN COUNCILMEMBER MAURER.
LET'S HAVE STAFF BE THE MUTUAL PARTY. THINK OF A NUMBER AND WRITE IT DOWN BETWEEN ONE AND 100.
[ CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING ]
DOES NOT SHOW PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT, COULD YOU PLEASE SHARE YOUR NUMBER WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY? SO THAT BOTH OF YOU ARE AWARE OF THE NUMBER. AND THEN DON'T SHOW IT TO ANYONE ELSE. AND PLEASE WRITE DOWN YOUR NUMBER VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND COUNCILMEMBER HINTON WRITE DOWN YOUR NUMBER. AND WRITE IT DOWN, SOMEONE NEEDS TO OKAY. AND BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DISCLOSE
IN ADVANCE OF SOMEONE ELSE SO COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, OKAY, YOU HAVE THE
NUMBER AND ZOLLMAN, NOW THE NUMBER THAT IS CLOSEST TO THE NUMBER, SECRET
NUMBER THAT MARY HAS IDENTIFIED WILL GET THE PRIMARY APPOINTMENT AND THE OTHER ONE WILL GET THE ALTERNATE. OKAY, SO YOU WROTE ON YOUR NUMBER WHAT IS YOUR NUMBER? VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN?
62. AND COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
60. THE NUMBER WAS 13 THEREFORE COUNCILMEMBER HINTON GETS THE NOD. NUMBER 60
BUT THESE TWO ARE OF MIND I THINK WE WILL HAVE THE POWER SO PRIMARY
APARTMENT FOR COUNCILMEMBER HINTON AND AN ALTERNATE FOR VICE MAYOR
ZOLLMAN, AND I HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCILMEMBER MAURER FOR COMING UP WITH THAT VERY CHILDISH BUT EFFECTIVE DETERMINATION. OKAY SO AND DON
SCHWARTZ OUR NEW CITY MANAGER KNOW HAS ONCE AGAIN ENGAGED AND INVOLVED AND WILLING THIS COUNSEL IS. OKAY. ANY OTHER, DO YOU NEED A MOTION? YES.
WHO WILL ARTICULATE THIS MOTION? OKAY, I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT GIVEN
OUR DISCUSSION AND DECISION-MAKING, THE PRIMARY APPOINTMENT GOES TO
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON AND THE ALTERNATE APPOINTMENT GOES TO VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND I NEED A SECOND.
I WILL SECOND THAT.
AND PLEASE TAKE A VOTE.
MOVED BY MAYOR RICH. SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER MAURER. PRIMARY
REPRESENTATIVE TO THE MUNICIPAL INSURANCE FUND AND VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN IS
THE ALTERNATE REPLACING THE CURRENT REPRESENTATIVE CITY ATTORNEY AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.
YES.
COUNCILMEMBER Mc LEWIS?
AYE.
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU FOR ENGAGING IN THAT VERY INTERESTING EXERCISE, THIS IS ALL LEVITY
ASIDE, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT APPOINTMENT AND I HOPE THE PUBLIC RECOGNIZES
HOW WORTH RECOGNIZING IT IS THAT WE HAVE TWO COUNCILMEMBERS WHO ARE
WILLING TO STEP UP FOR THIS AS GENERALLY A STAFF ASSIGNMENT AND IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. OKAY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS OUR FINAL REGULAR CALENDAR ITEM.
DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF PROCESS FOR EVALUATION OF CITY ATTORNEY PROPOSALS. AND THE RESPONSIBLE DEPARTMENT'S HUMAN RESOURCES AND OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
OKAY. SORRY. I WILL MAKE THIS REALLY SHORT. SO AS YOU KNOW LARRY McLAUGHLIN WILL BE RETIRING JUNE 30, THE CITY HAS ISSUED REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR CITY ATTORNEY SERVICES. AS OF THE WRITING OF THE REPORT WE DID NOT HAVE THE
NUMBER SUBMITTED HOWEVER THERE ARE FOUR FIRMS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY IN RESPONSE TO THE PROPOSALS. SO TONIGHT'S ITEM IS BASED
UPON TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS, HOW THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO GO AND DO THE INTERVIEWS SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS YOU CAN DO IT. ONE CITY STAFF CAN
REVIEW THE RFPS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ALL VETTED MEANING THE SCOPE OF
THE WORK AND THEN SCHEDULE INTERVIEWS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AT AN OPEN CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND THE CITY STAFF CAN REVIEW THE PROPOSALS INTERVIEW AND HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL DO AN INTERVIEW. OR, IF THE COUNCIL HAS A DIFFERENT PROCESS THEY CAN DISCUSS THAT TONIGHT. MOVING FORWARD IT WOULD BE AN OPEN
SO IF THE COUNCIL CHOSE TO INTERVIEW IT WOULD BE AN OPEN MEETING AND WE HAD ORIGINALLY SAID THAT WE COULD DO MAY 13 BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND POSTPONING IT TO ME, THE WEEK OF MAY 20, WE WOULD NEED TO DETERMINE DATES THAT THE COUNCIL IS AVAILABLE. FOR THE INTERVIEWS SO TONIGHT ITEM IS REQUESTING HOW THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO THE PROCESS.
QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS?
COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?
HOW HAS THIS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST OR WHAT IS NORMAL PRACTICE?
BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN APPOINTMENT IT HAS BEEN A CITY EMPLOYEE, THIS IS
THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD FIRMS THAT HAVE DONE IT SO TYPICALLY IT IS A CITY
COUNCIL APPOINTMENT FOR CITY MANAGER I'M SORRY, FOR CITY ATTORNEY HOWEVER
SINCE THIS IS FIRMS THAT ARE PROPOSING IT WOULD BE AN OPEN MEETING SO WE HAVE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE. SO THIS IS A FIRST BUT TYPICALLY THE CITY ATTORNEY WORKS
FOR THE CITY COUNCIL WHICH IS WHY WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE OPEN MEETING FOR THE INTERVIEWS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. THE COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE THE PROCESS.
OKAY, OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS? GO AHEAD COUNCILMEMBER? McLEWIS?
WHEN WE DID THE CITY MANAGER INTERVIEWING WE ORIGINALLY JUST DID IT WITH,
WE MET WITH THE NAMES AND THEN WE AS A COUNSEL WENT THROUGH ALL OF THEM
AND THEN WE DID THE INTERVIEW OR WE NARROWED IT THEN WE GOT THE
RECOMMENDATION AND THEN THAT'S WHEN WE INTERVIEWED THE FINAL CANDIDATES AND THEN MADE A DECISION I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I PROCESS STILL.
THE COUNCIL HIRED A RECRUITER AND WE DID THE RECRUITMENT, THEY GOT THE
RECOMMENDATIONS AND PROVIDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL A LIST OF APPLICANTS I BELIEVE THE TOTAL IS 10 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN THE COUNCIL
INTERVIEWED AND NARROWED IT DOWN TO I BELIEVE IT WAS A TOP THREE I DON'T
REMEMBER OFFHAND BUT THE COUNCIL INTERVIEWED THOSE AND THEN WE DID THE
REFERENCES AND BACKGROUND CHECKS AND ALL THAT AND THEN CAME BACK AND THAT PROCESS. I FEEL LIKE IT WORKS BUT I'M JUST ASKING FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. DID THAT PROCESS WORK?
THE ONLY THING THAT IS DIFFERENT AS IT WAS CLOSED SESSION SO THE ONLY THING
THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT HERE IS THAT THESE INTERVIEWS WOULD BE AN OPEN SESSION.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
SO I HAD A QUESTION, IS THERE A ROLE FOR AN AD HOC FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE?
BECAUSE I AM HEARING WE HAVE RFPS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S WHO ARE INTERESTED. PROPOSAL THAT THE STAFF COULD BE DOING SOME INITIAL VETTING OF
THE CITY ATTORNEYS COULD AN AD HOC GET INVOLVED IN THAT INITIAL VETTING OF THE APPLICANTS? WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE WITH STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE ON THAT? STAFF'S OPINION IN MY OPINION, STAFF MAY HAVE OTHER DIFFERENT OPINIONS. IT WOULD DELAY THE PROCESS. WE DO KNOW THAT LARRY IS RETIRING JUNE 30 SO, WE
WOULD HAVE TO CREATE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, DEFINED WITH THE SCOPE OF WORK IS FOR THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WORK OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD BE. WE COULD HAVE OUR HR DO BACKGROUND REFERENCE CHECKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT PRIOR TO IT COMING. AND THEN PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS. I
HAVE ALREADY VETTED ALL FOUR OF THE PROPOSALS, THEY ALL MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS AND ALL MET THE SCOPE OF WORK IN THERE. I HAVE NOT DONE REFERENCE CHECKS ON THEM. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME WHO THE COUNCIL
WILL HIRE OR NOT HIRE, I JUST DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE ROLE OF THE AD HOC WOULD BE AT THIS POINT.
THE PIECES I CAN SEE THAT NEED TO BE DONE WELL AS A QUESTION MARK, ARE PARTS
OF THE PROCESS MAKING SURE THAT THE SCOPE OF WORK BUT ALSO IDENTIFYING WHAT
ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ASKED OF THE APPLICANT'S IN THE INTERVIEW THAT THE COUNCIL WILL BE DOING IN THE PUBLIC. WHAT ELEMENTS, WHO WILL BE DOING THAT PROCESS WITH, WITHOUT THE INVOLVEMENT OF AN AD HOC?
STAFF CAN PREPARE THE QUESTIONS SO WE CAN DO THAT IN CONSULTATION WITH HR AS WELL. WE CAN DO A ONE-WAY COMMUNICATION TO THE COUNCIL IF THERE IS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT WANT TO BE ADDRESSED WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
OKAY, AND THE SESSION WOULD BE YOU WERE SAYING WOULD WE BE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING? IS THAT THE IDEA?
I WOULD NOT DO IT ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I WOULD TRY TO PROBABLY DO IT DURING THE DAY SOMETIME.
QUESTION COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
TWO OF US ARE GOING TO A CONFERENCE IN SACRAMENTO AND WE HAVE A COUNCIL
MEETING THAT WEEK AND WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION SO THAT WEEK I DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD FIT THIS IN. JUST SAYING.
WE WILL BE OUT OF TOWN.
NOW THAT I KNOW TWO COUNCILMEMBERS ARE GOING TO THE MEETING SO WE COULD LOOK AT POTENTIALLY THE FOLLOWING WEEK. IT IS A HOLIDAY WEEK SO WE WOULD NEED TO SEE WHO IS AVAILABLE AND WHO IS IN TOWN. I WOULD ALSO NEED TO SEE IF
THE FIRMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REPRESENTATIVE ARE AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TELLING THEM THE WEEK OF THE 13th OR THE 20th SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT? COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH OPTIONS STAFF PREFERS, NUMBER ONE OR NUMBER TWO. CITY MANAGER?
HE IS LOOKING TO SEE WHAT NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO ARE.
MAKE SURE I AM BEING ACCURATE HERE. SO I THINK THAT WE BASICALLY CHECK THE
BOX OF NUMBER ONE MEANING THAT THEY MAY, THEY MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS AS STATED IN THE RFP. A COUPLE OF THE PROPOSALS I HAVE LOOKED AT THEM AND I
ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE FOR THE ASSISTANCE OF THE CITY MANAGER MYSELF TO HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO SOME COMBINATION OF I WOULD NOT NECESSARILY CALL IT A
SCREENING INTERVIEW BUT TALK TO THE PROPOSED LEAD CITY ATTORNEYS AS WELL AS CONDUCT SOME OF THE REFERENCE CHECKS. THIS POSITION WILL BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE CITY TEAM. REPORTING TO YOU. BUT, NONETHELESS I THINK IT'S REALLY
ESSENTIAL FOR WELL-FUNCTIONING CITY TO HAVE A COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. AND I THINK THAT IS HAVING
THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND THEN IF YOU ARE
INTERESTED HEARING OUR OPINIONS ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON. SO WE WOULD BE
WILLING TO TAKE ON AS BEST WE CAN SOME REFERENCE CHECKING AND INITIAL SET OF CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY ATTORNEYS.
THREE QUESTIONS GO AHEAD COUNCILMEMBER? McLEWIS?
ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE INTERVIEWING THEM?
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AS AN HR POLICY, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH YOU TALKING TO
THEM BUT NOT BEFORE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT ALL FOUR AND THAT THEM TOO. I JUST THINK WITH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND EVERYTHING WE REALLY NEED TO STICK WITHIN THAT HR PATH.
AND VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS AND I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION TO LARRY
BECAUSE YOU ARE A LICENSED ATTORNEY, WE HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD MANY YEARS. OF HAVING OTHER JURISDICTIONS NEVER CONTEMPLATING HAVING A GM ALSO BE CITY ATTORNEY. SO GIVING YOUR OPINION, OF STIRRING AND TURNING THE PAGE AND STARTING FRESH, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? ON ALL THREE OF THESE OPTIONS? THAT YOU WOULD ASK ME WHETHER YOU SHOULD HIRE A CITY MANAGER? LET ME BE CLEAR.
SOME OF US ARE VERY STRONG BELIEF THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. THIS
SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAD ANY GENERAL MANAGER OR LIKEWISE, SO I WANT TO START
THIS PROCESS IN A VERY FRESH WAY AND I AM ASKING YOU AS A LICENSED ATTORNEY, WHICH OF THE THREE WOULD YOU NOW SAY.
PUTTING ON YOUR CITY ATTORNEY HAT.
YES.
OPTION NUMBER THREE, CITY COUNCIL INTERVIEW ALL THREE IN AN OPEN MEETING.
AND MAKING ANOTHER STATEMENT.
YES THEN WE WILL GO TO COUNCILMEMBER MAURER. GO AHEAD LARRY.
I WAS NOT THE ONLY CITY MANAGER WHO IS A CITY ATTORNEY. I HAVE MET A NUMBER OF THEM AND I WAS JUST RECRUITED FOR THIS POSITION AND ANOTHER ASPECT.
OKAY COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?
I HAD A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE WHAT HE WAS DESCRIBING WAS OPTION NUMBER TWO. BUT YOU STATED OPTION NUMBER ONE WHAT YOUR PREFERENCE WAS.
IN TERMS OF DOING A SCREENING TO SEE IF THEY MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS AND HAVE
SUBMITTED PROPOSALS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ASKED FOR AND REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.
YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
YES, JUST REMEMBER THE STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE WE RECEIVE THE PROPOSAL. SO SINCE THEN, WE RECEIVED THE FOUR PROPOSALS, STAFF HAS REVIEWED
ALL FOUR PROPOSALS TO SEE IF THEY MET THE SCOPE OF WORK SO NUMBER ONE WAS IN HERE BECAUSE WE HAD NOT RECEIVED THE PROPOSALS YET. SO NUMBER ONE IS DONE SO THE OPTIONS BETWEEN NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE NOW.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE AN OPTION, IF WE WANT THE CITY COUNCIL, THE
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP. AND I AM NOT TO GO IN TO COMMENT HERE BUT JUST REINFORCING
WHAT I HEARD FROM OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS, HOW DO WE AS A CITY COUNCIL, IF WE WANT TO HANDLE DOING THE REFERENCE CHECK OURSELVES. HOW DO WE DO THAT, IF WE DON'T WANT THE CITY MANAGER TO DO IT, AND I SEE COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS MAY HAVE AN ANSWER SO I'M TRYING TO NAVIGATE THAT, COUNCILMEMBER?
I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO THE REFERENCE CHECKS, WE HAD OUR HR FOLKS DO THAT
FOR US BUT AS A COUNCIL, I HESITATE AND WANT TO GO ON TO COMMENT BUT THE
REASON MY COMMENT WAS SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE EQUAL EMPLOYEES
INTERVIEW EACH OTHER BEFORE THE HIRING FOLKS HAVE INTERVIEWED SO IT'S A MATTER OF PROCESS. AND THAT'S WHY BUT I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD DO THAT. I STILL THINK THAT IS A STAFF OR AN HR RESPONSIBILITY. WE DO HAVE DEBORAH SO.
AS A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION IS THAT THE REFERENCE CHECK, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT DEBORAH COULD TAKE OVER FOR US? OKAY, ALL RIGHT SO I THINK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. OKAY. MARY GOURLEY CAN YOU HANDLE THAT?
THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY INTERVIEW PROCESS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT I WILL LOOK IN CHAMBERS FIRST. SAY NONE. I WILL GO OUT DOES THEM. LINDA CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE. LINDA CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE? HANK YOU GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ACKNOWLEDGING THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING THE COMMUNICATION IS THE PITS. YOU EXCLUDED TALKING TO THE MAYOR AGAIN. AND THE PUBLIC, YOU DON'T LISTEN TO US OR HEAR US. YOU DON'T RESPOND TO US, YOU KNOW? ALL THE STUFF THAT KYLE AND A
LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP, YOU JUST DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE IT AND SO
THEY HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF THINGS SO THEY FEEL AND RIGHTFULLY SO THEY ARE NOT BEING HEARD. SO THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE ANYMORE, THEY DON'T COME TO MEETINGS.
OR ANYTHING. BUT ANYWAY, COMMUNICATION IS KEY. AND YOU DON'T HAVE IT NOW.
HINCKLEY YOU KNOW WE'VE HAD LARRY AND CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY FOR
THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, HE HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB, HE IS JUST LIKE OUR CONSTANT AND EXEMPLARY AND AFTER HE LEAVES WE ARE JUST DOWN TO MARY. TO KEEP THIS TOWN TOGETHER. BUT ANYWAY, ON LIKE WHAT DON SAID, YOU KNOW I THINK
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO EYEBALL AND GET TO SEE WHO THE PERSPECTIVE
LAWYER IS BUT I AM ASSUMING THIS IS MORE OUT-OF-TOWNERS IS THAT, SO RIGHT OFF
THE BAT, IS A STRIKE AGAINST YOU BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS TOWN. THEY PROBABLY DON'T LIVE HERE. AND THEY ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH IT SO.
YOU HAVE ABOUT 20 SECONDS.
MAKING THIS TOWN WORSE BUT I'M GOING ALONG WITH WHAT LARRY SAID AND AGREE
WITH DON THAT WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT YOU ALL, THAT HE CAN COLLABORATE WITH AND GET ALONG WITH. SO THAT'S THAT.
THANK YOU LINDA FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, AGAIN THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY INTERVIEW PROCESS. ERNIE?
YES. I CERTAINLY DID NOT WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS AND DIDN'T EVEN READ THE AGENDA ITEM. BUT PROBABLY THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IS BRING FOUR LAW
FIRMS IN AND HAVE THEM ALL MAKE A PITCH TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND YOU GUYS TRY AND MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW. REALLY I AM STRUCK BY
WHAT CHANCELLOR BISMARCK SAID, YOU DON'T WANT TO WATCH LAW BEING MADE
BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WHAT YOU WANT YOUR STUFF TO DO, YOU HAVE THREE
CAPABLE PEOPLE IS TO PRIORITIZE THESE PEOPLE AND BRING THEM TO YOU BASED UPON SOME SYSTEMIC APPROACH BASED UPON KNOWLEDGE. EXPERIENCE. BACKGROUND
CHECKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT YOU DO SYSTEMICALLY THAT YOU CAN'T
DO HERE IN THESE CHAMBERS IN AN INTERVIEW AND IF YOU GET DOWN TO TWO GOOD FIRMS AND YOU CHOOSE BETWEEN THEM YOU WILL BE DOING YOURSELF A BIG FAVOR.
THINKING FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE KYLE? CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
YES I CAN.
GO AHEAD.
RACED ON HER LAST AGENDA ITEM I HAVE A PROPOSAL WHAT WE DO IS BRING THOSE
FOUR FIRMS AND ASK THEM TO PICK A NUMBER AND THEN WE THEN ARBITRARILY DECIDE SOME DECISION BASED ON SOME NUMBER THAT IS CHOSEN. BUT BEFORE WE DO
THAT, WE HAVE TO SIT THERE AND PRAISE ALL OF THOSE FOR MAC FIRMS OR EQUAL CONTRIBUTIONS AND EQUAL ABILITY TO CONTRIBUTE AS ATTORNEYS FOR OUR CITY.
RATHER THAN ACTUALLY MAKE A DECISION THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT WE WANT TO BE TAKING IN OUR CITY BASED ON PAST PRACTICE, THANKS.
THANK YOU KYLE FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. BACK INTO CHAMBERS. SEEING THEN I WILL GO ONE LAST TIME TO ZOOM. SEEING NONE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOTION, ARE YOU LOOKING AT EMOTION? OKAY. OKAY, GO AHEAD.
MY COMMENT BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION, A NEW DAY AND A NEW WAY TO MOVE
FORWARD AND CONTRARY TO WHAT SOME MIGHT BELIEVE, THAT THE TWO GM AND CITY
ATTORNEYS SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE AND GET ALONG AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT IS NOT MY EXPERIENCE. AND I POINT TO SANTA ROSA. THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE TWO VERY DIFFERENT MINDS AND OPINIONS IS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SEE A CLASH. IF YOU
EVER GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL THEY CLASH, BECAUSE THEY DON'T AGREE AND IT'S UP
TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO JUST MAKE THEIR DECISION BASED UPON TWO VERY
DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES SO WITH HAVING THE SAID WITH THAT I AM MOVING THAT WE ADOPT OPTION THREE.
ANY COMMENTS OR A SECOND? I WOULD HAVE, GO AHEAD COUNCILMEMBER MAURER? I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. I WOULD GO WITH OPTION NUMBER TWO. BECAUSE, OUR
STAFF IS GOING TO BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE LEGAL TEAM AND FRANKLY I
WOULD RATHER HAVE ANY VETTING THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE BE DONE NOT IN, NOT CLASHING IN THE PUBLIC. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA, I APPRECIATE OUR FORMER SUPERVISOR ERNIE CARPENTER'S COMMENTS. AND, YOU KNOW TO HAVE OUR
STAFF CONDUCT A FIRST INTERVIEW AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO THAT IS JUST MY OPINION, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU AND I SEE COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
ACTUALLY I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER MAURER, I FEEL LIKE THERE COULD BE A
LOT OF VETTING THAT I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF JUST HAVING OUR STAFF DO IT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR HR CONSULTANT BE PART OF THAT. WE DID THINK IT WHEN WE
WENT THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER PROCESS IT DID MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER WHEN WE
RELIED ON OUR HR EXPERT TO DO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF VETTING TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER MAURER IN FACT I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO GO WITH ITEM 2
FOLLOWING THE FIRST MOTION THAT HAS BEEN ON THE FLOOR AS OUR PROCESS TO INCLUDE OUR HR PERSON IN THAT PROCESS WITH CITY STAFF.
I WILL COLLECT COMMENTS BEFORE WE BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS HERE. COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS DID YOU WANT TO SHARE?
I WANT TO BE CLEAR I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL WORKED TOGETHER AND I AM NOT
SAYING THAT IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO HAVE EVERYONE INVOLVED BUT JUST
UNDERSTANDING THE HR PROCESS AND HOW THIS WORKS, AND YOU KNOW THIS IS A BIG
THING IN THE BIG HIGHER FOR US AND A NEW START AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THAT DOWN THE PATH THAT IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY. AND WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO THE ATTORNEY REPORTS TOO. SO I JUST DON'T FIND IT
APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SIDE-BY-SIDE EMPLOYEES INTERVIEWING EACH OTHER BEFORE
WE AS THE HIRING MANAGERS HAVE ACTUALLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT
DISCUSSION, THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN ANYWHERE IN ANY KIND OF PRIVATE WORLD SO
THAT IS FOREIGN TO ME AND IT'S NOT HOW I AM ACCUSTOMED TO WORKING IN AN HR PROCESS SO THAT'S WHY I JUST FEEL THAT IT NEEDS TO COME TO THE COUNCIL. WE DID A
GOOD JOB WITH HIRING OUR CITY MANAGER AND I HAVE FAITH THAT WE COULD DO THAT AGAIN.
OKAY SO I WILL WEIGH IN NOW. JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO SHARE MY OPINION BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE HERE. I WOULD GO WITH OPTION NUMBER THREE. I WOULD
MODIFY THAT I DO THINK THAT FOR PURPOSES OF HONESTLY TRANSPARENCY FOR THE
PUBLIC TO, THAT WE NEED TO INTERVIEW ALL FOUR APPLICANTS IN AN OPEN FORUM SO THAT EVERYONE CAN HEAR WHAT THEIR ANSWERS MIGHT BE. MY REQUEST THOUGH,
WOULD BE THAT OUR HR CONSULTANT AND PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER DO THE REFERENCE CHECK AND ALSO PROPOSE QUESTIONS TO US IN A ONEWAY COMMUNICATION SO THAT WE AS A COUNSEL COULD PARTICIPATE IN THE
IDENTIFICATION AND DECISION-MAKING REGARDING THE QUESTIONS THAT THEN WOULD BE ASKED OF OUR APPLICANTS IN AN OPEN PUBLIC MEETING SO THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE A MOTION HERE BUT HOLD ON WE HAVE COUNCILMEMBER
HINTON I THINK IT WAS COUNCILMEMBER MAURER AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.
VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN MOVED FIRST AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION ON THE FLOOR BUT THERE IS.
I HAVE ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.
AND COUNCILMEMBER, JUST AS I WANT TO ESTABLISH WHERE WE ARE MARRIED WE
HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN AND ANOTHER MOTION ON THE FLOOR. AND THAT WAS FROM COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. OKAY. SO PROCEDURALLY WHAT WOULD YOU NEED TO TELL US?
YOU SHOULD GET A SECOND BEFORE YOU START DISCUSSION. SO, BUT, BUT YOU ARE
ALREADY OUT OF PROCESS SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE TAKING
COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS BUT I JUST WANTED TO STATE WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. FIRST MOTION WAS FROM VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THERE IS A SECOND. RIGHT.
COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN CAN YOU REPEAT WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS?
GOING WITH OPTION THREE BUT THEN WITH WHAT THE MAYOR JUST SAID IT ALSO
SEEMS TO BE WHAT MY OTHER COLLEAGUES WOULD WANT TO PREFER AS FAR AS INCLUDING AN HR PERSON WHICH I THINK IS GREAT AND SHOULD HAPPEN. I'M HAPPY TO MODIFY THAT.
NOW WE ARE KIND OF INTO COMMENT SO LET'S GET A COMMENT FROM COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT?
YES, SO THE WAY WE DO INTERVIEWING PUBLICLY FOR OUR BOARDS AND
EMPLOYMENTS THAT WE HAVE AN APPLICATION AND WE HAVE ANSWERED ALL THE
SAME QUESTIONS AND IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF EVEN PLAYING
FIELD OR SCORING WHERE WE HAVE A SCORE SHEET SO THAT WHEN WE DO INTERVIEW AND HAVE A PROCESS. NOT JUST LIKE THEY COME IN AND GIVE US A PITCH. AND IT'S A FREE FOR ALL. BUT, A PROCESS IS SIMILAR TO HOW WE INTERVIEW OTHER PEOPLE. WE DO
A LITTLE OPENING AND HAVE THEIR APPLICATION MAY BE OUR HR PERSON COULD HELP US DO A SCORING THEN I WOULD BE OPEN TO KIND OF DOING THAT PROCESS. AND I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION IF WE KIND OF COULD GET CONSENSUS FROM THE GROUP.
BECAUSE I DO HEAR BOTH SIDES. I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
SO THE COMMENTS.
I'M JUST SAYING A PROCESS AT HR WOULD HELP US WITH AHEAD OF TIME THAT WE
WOULD HAVE A SCORING SHEET AND MAYBE AN APPLICATION SIMILAR TO HOW WE DO
OUR INTERVIEWS FOR APPOINTMENTS FOR PLANNING COMMISSIONER BECAUSE WE ALL GET THERE AND IT SIMILAR TO HOW WE DID CITY MANAGER. WE GOT ALL THE APPLICATIONS IN ADVANCE. WE WERE ABLE TO COMPARE THEM. AND THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL BEFORE WE GO INTO FULL SESSION WITH THE PUBLIC.
OKAY.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT MIGHT SUPPORT AN OPEN MEETING INTERVIEW, AND COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?
YES, THANK YOU. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF WHAT YOUR OPINION IS ON THIS IDEA OF INCLUDING HR. WHAT IS ADDITIONAL COST TO HAVE AN HR PERSON IN WITH THE INTERVIEWS AND JUST WOULD LIKE YOUR OPINION, THANK YOU.
AND TO CLARIFY I THINK THE SUGGESTION HERE WAS NOT THAT THE HR PERSON WAS GOING TO BE IN ON THE INTERVIEWS BUT WOULD BE ADVISING AND CONSULTING? OKAY. SO, NOT A PARTICIPANT BUT ADVISING AND CONSULTING TO HELP US WITH THE PROCESS.
SO NOT PRESENT AT THE OPEN SESSION MEETING BUT HELPING TO FORMULATE A PROCESS?
THANK YOU BUT MY QUESTION WAS STAFF IN TERMS OF THE COST OF THE ADDITIONAL
HR PERSON, AND WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS IDEA OF GOING WITH OPTION THREE AND INCLUDING THE HR.
SO FIRST, OPTIONS TWO AND THREE TO ME ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. TO ME
OPTION TWO IS SAYING IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE IT, MY INTERPRETATION IS YOU WOULD
END UP INTERVIEWING ALL FOUR IN PUBLIC SESSION, I DON'T THINK THESE ARE
INCLUSIVE TO EACH OTHER, I THINK HAVING A SET OF QUESTIONS AND A SET OF
CRITERIA AND A SCORING SHEET ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE DONE AHEAD OF TIME AND I
THINK HAVING AN HR PERSON INVOLVED IN THAT IS APPROPRIATE I THINK MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO DO THE REFERENCE CHECKS. AHEAD OF TIME AS WELL
BECAUSE MY SENSE IS WHEN YOU ARE DONE ON WHATEVER DATE WE DO THIS YOU
WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION AND YOU COULD MAKE IT PENDING REFERENCE
CHECKS BUT I WOULD PRESUME YOU WOULD AND I THINK WE WILL HAVE TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO COMPLETE SOME REFERENCE CHECKS. AND SO I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND DOABLE. SO I AM NOT SURE IF I HAVE ENTIRELY ANSWERED YOUR
QUESTION I DO WANT TO JUST COMMENT ABOUT AND RESPOND TO A COUPLE
COMMENTS, ONE IS TO VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT THESE ARE TWO INDEPENDENT POSITIONS. CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY POSITION AND
YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED FOLKS IN BOTH POSITIONS WHO ARE WILLING TO HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS ON ISSUES. I WOULD SAY IT'S A RELATIONSHIP IN THE SENSE OF IT IS
BEING ABLE TO DISAGREE RESPECTFULLY AND PROFESSIONALLY AND IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS. RELATIONSHIP. BUT I DO KNOW THAT CITY ATTORNEYS HAVE SAT IN ON CITY MANAGER INTERVIEWS. AND INTERVIEWS FOR THEIR SUCCESSORS. THESE
ARE NOT UNCOMMON AND I AM NOT SUGGESTING IT IS NECESSARILY BEST PRACTICE
BUT, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS SIGN THE HR PERSON AND/OR SOME
COMBINATION OF US TO DO THE REFERENCE CHECKS AND THEN IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN
HAVING SOME AT LEAST PREPARE YOU FOR THE INTERVIEWS BEST WE CAN BY HAVING CRITERIA QUESTIONS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
PART OF MY QUESTION WAS WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL COST TO HAVE HR INVOLVED?
IT'S PROBABLY NEGLIGIBLE, NEGLIGIBLE OR WORTH IT, THIS IS ONE OF THE MORE
IMPORTANT DECISIONS YOU WILL MAKE WHO YOU HIRE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION YOU WILL EVER MAKE IN THIS IS ONE OF THE TWO HIRES THAT YOU WILL PICK.
OKAY.
SO MY THINKING ON THIS IS THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE OUR STAFF WAY IN IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK. PRIOR TO IT COMING TO THE COUNCIL.
OKAY.
I HAVE AN ALTERNATE THOUGHT, I AGREE THAT IT'S GOOD TO HAVE STAFF INPUT AFTER
WE DO THE INTERVIEWS WHICH IS WHY I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF MAKING A DECISION THAT
VERY NIGHT BECAUSE WE RECEIVE ALL THIS INFORMATION AND IT WILL COME OUT AND WE WILL HAVE JUST A COUPLE DAYS TO READ THROUGH IT ALL AND THAT IT. WE MAY
HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, MORE QUESTIONS MAY COME UP AFTER WE'VE HAD THESE INTERVIEWS. AND I THINK IN MY MIND I WOULD LIKE TO THEN HAVE THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE STAFF, THEY HAVE SEEN IT ALL AS WELL. AND JUST MAYBE, I UNDERSTAND
THAT WE HAVE A TIMELINE BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK ANY RUSH INTO THIS WOULD BE NOT WISE FOR US. SO I JUST KNOW THAT WE HAD A PROCESS WHEN WE HIRED CITY MANAGER AND IT WASN'T ALL JUST LIKE, RIGHT? SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE WE TAKE IT IN TWO STEPS IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HELP US
UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WOULD BE JUST TO KIND OF TAKE CARE OF ALL OF OUR
CONCERNS AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT IT IS WELL WORTH IT TO HAVE HR INVOLVED WHEN YOU ARE HIRING. I WOULD NEVER HIRE WITHOUT HR BEING INVOLVED. JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THINGS.
I SEE MARY GOURLEY HAS A COMMENT, I JUST WANTED TO CHIME IN THERE I THINK THE BEST BET IS TO HAVE A NEUTRAL THIRD-PARTY DO THE REFERENCE CHECKS. HELP US FORMULATE QUESTIONS. AND THAT CAN BE DONE CONFIDENTIALLY I THINK WITH THE COUNCILMEMBERS BEFORE THE INTERVIEW. AND I AGREE THAT ALLOWING THEM AFTER
THOSE INTERVIEWS INVITING STAFF, PERSPECTIVE AND COMMENTS IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA. BUT I WOULD NOT WANT THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT'S GOING TO SERVE THE CITY
COUNCIL TO BE INTERVIEWED OR, SCREENED OR, HAVE ANY SUBSTANTIAL CONTACT WITH STAFF PRIOR TO INTERVIEWS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT MARY GOURLEY I THINK YOU WERE GOING TO WEIGH IN.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULD NOT WANT TO MAKE YOUR
DECISION THAT NIGHT ONLY BECAUSE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE
A FOLLOW-UP INTERVIEW WITH MAY BE THE TOP TWO INSTEAD OF ALL FOUR SO YOU MAY HAVE TWO THAT ARE STANDING OUT SO, YES I AGREE HAVING HR IN THERE. AND I JUST ALSO WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THIS IS AN OPEN MEETING. SO WE CAN ALL BE IN
HERE AND YOU KNOW WE CAN GIVE OUR STAFF CAN GIVE OUR INPUT INTO WHAT WE
YOU KNOW THINK AS WELL AFTER THE MEETING AND ALL THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE COUNCIL'S DECISION. BUT, SO ANYWAY I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COUNSEL OF THAT AS WELL THAT THIS IS AN OPEN MEETING SO THIS IS NOT A CLOSED SESSION.
CONVERSATION BUT AGAIN, I WOULD RECOMMEND PROBABLY DOING THE INTERVIEWS
AT NIGHT AND THEN IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES THAT THEY NEED A FOLLOW-UP THEN WE
CAN DO IT AND THE COUNSEL DOESN'T THEN WE WILL BRING IT BACK YOU KNOW, AFTER THE REFERENCE CHECKS AND ALL THAT FOR THE COUNCIL TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT. I WILL SAY, IF WE ARE LOOKING NOW INTO THE WEEK OF THE 27th I WILL NOT BE BRINGING THIS ITEM BACK UNTIL AT LEAST JUNE 18 OR IF WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE 25th AT THAT MEETING. SO.
WELL, AND LARRY IS HERE THROUGH THE END OF JUNE?
WE DO HAVE A GRIEVANCE WITH OUTSIDE ATTORNEY SO IT'S NOT, I DON'T WANT TO SEE LARRY GO BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO HAVE HIM MISS HIS RETIREMENT EITHER.
ARE YOU SAYING WE WON'T BE WITHOUT ATTORNEYS?
YES. SO, WE DO HAVE THAT.
SORRY.
IN CASE I WAS HIT BY A BUS OR SOMETHING WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY AFFILIATED AS ONE OF THE APPLICANTS.
OKAY, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER I THINK I SAW YOU WANTING TO COMMENT.
I WOULD SUPPORT THIS IDEA OF OPTION NUMBER THREE IF WE TOOK IT IN TWO
SECTIONS SO WE DON'T VOTE ON IT THAT NIGHT BUT YOU BRING IT BACK AND DISCUSS IT.
OKAY, SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT HERE CAN SOMEONE CAPTURE THIS IN A MOTION? MARY, CAN YOU?
OKAY, I WILL MAKE A MOTION AND PEOPLE CAN MODIFY OR ACTUALLY GO STEPHEN ZOLLMAN.
YOU WERE THE ORIGINAL MOVER.
WHATEVER.
LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS CORRECT SO IT WOULD BE THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE INTERVIEWING ALL FOUR PROPOSALS IN AN OPEN CITY COUNCIL MEETING. MORE THAN LIKELY WILL BE THE WEEK OF THE 28th, I WILL NEED TO CHECK COUNSEL
SCHEDULES AS WELL AS THE PROPOSAL SCHEDULES SINCE WE ARE PUSHING THIS OFF FOR TWO WEEKS. THE HR CONSULTANT WITH CITY STAFF WILL BE DOING THE REFERENCE CHECKS AND CREATING THE QUESTIONS FOR ONE-WAY COMMUNICATION. TO CREATE THE PROCESS AS WELL AS THE SCORING CRITERIA. AND THAT'S ALL I HAD. IS THERE SOMETHING I MISSED?
MY MODIFICATION WOULD BE, I HAVE A QUESTION, I HAD HOPED THAT THE HR
CONSULTANT WOULD DO THE REFERENCE CHECK AND THAT THEN THE HR CONSULTANT
WOULD PROVIDE US WITH A SUGGESTED PROCEDURE AND QUESTIONS, THE REASON
MARY, THAT YOU FEEL IT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE GIVE HER I THINK BY STAFF WHEN I MEAN YOU TO BE INVOLVED IN REFERENCE CHECKS?
I DO NOT NEED TO BE INVOLVED I WAS JUST REPEATING THE MOTION THAT THE VICE
MAYOR HAD STATED SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE HR TO BE DOING THE REFERENCE CHECKS I THINK THAT IS FINE. WE WILL HAVE HR AND STAFF WILL NOT BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS.
THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE BUT YOU ARE THE MOTIONED ANCHOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT WE ARE NOT TAKING A VOTE THAT NIGHT WHEN IT COMES UP. ANYBODY ELSE AGREE? ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AS A MODIFICATION TO THE MOTION?
I AGREE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD.
THE MOTION MAY CORRECT, ARE YOU ACCEPTING THAT MOTION?
POINT OF CLARIFICATION I DON'T KNOW I WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THE MOTION ACTUALLY. I EXPECT TO BE CALLED BY THESE FIRMS. I KNOW WHEN I INTERVIEWED I TALKED TO LARRY ABOUT IT I WOULD EXPECT THEM TO CALL ME. MATTER OF FACT I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF THEY DIDN'T. SO, BUT I ALSO HEARD IN THE INTEREST OF THEM
NOT HAVING ME OR STAFF OTHER THAN AN HR CONSULTANT, I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT. IF THERE IS A COUNSEL DIRECTION TO NOT TAKE THOSE THEN, I WILL DO THAT. BUT, I WANT TO BE CLEAR BEFORE THOSE CALLS COME.
I'M LOOKING FOR COMMENT FROM THE COUNSEL.
I THINK IT WOULD BE DO NOT BE RUDE, TAKE THE CALL BUT YOU CAN SAY COUNCIL DIRECTED ME TO NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT? YOU CAN SAY HELLO.
I WOULD BE PROFESSIONAL AND POLITE. I AM SORRY.
THAT'S JUST MY FEEDBACK.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.
I AGREE AS WELL.
CONCERNS ABOUT THAT? OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT DIRECTION CITY MANAGER? I MEAN YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHAT WITH THEM BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE THE FIRST TO INTERVIEW THEM.
I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE TO A CANDIDATE FOR THE POSITION.
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
I THINK IT TAKES YOU AND MAKES YOUR POSITION MORE COMFORTABLE, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PLAY FAVORITES. AND WE HAVE DIRECTED YOU TO NOT. SO LIKE FOR ME, AND MY PAST CAREER WHEN I CAN SAY OH, I CAN'T, THE BOSS WANTS TO TALK TO YOU. IT ACTUALLY KIND OF ALLEVIATES THINGS. SO SOME FEEDBACK.
IT'S NOT, I DON'T WHEN FOLKS ARE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE ABOUT POTENTIAL
EMPLOYERS TALKING TO SOMEBODY WHO IS AN EMPLOYEE, IS IN MY OPINION A FREQUENT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS PROFESSION. IT IS A FREQUENT OCCURRENCE. AND IT
ISN'T SO MUCH THAT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD I'M NOT PLANNING TO REACH OUT AND TALK TO THEM. BUT, THEY WILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE STATE OF THE ORGANIZATION AND HOW IS IT TO WORK WITH THE COUNSEL. WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY LIKE WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU HAVE. THOSE KINDS OF DUE DILIGENCE ABOUT AN ORGANIZATION. THAT IS WHAT I WOULD, I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED TO GET CALLS WITH QUESTIONS ALONG THOSE LINES.
I GUESS MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT SORT OF EFFORT TO GET INFORMATION BEHIND THE SCENES ALWAYS HAPPENS. AND IT IS FAMILIAR TERRITORY. AND YOU HAVE TO SET YOUR BOUNDARIES. AND RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT IS COMING TO YOU.
INSTEAD OF THE DECISION-MAKER AND ATTEMPTING TO GET INFORMATION AND DEVELOP A RELATIONSHIP THAT WILL GIVE THEM AN ADVANTAGE. ON SOME LEVEL POTENTIALLY. SO I THINK WE ARE INTERVIEWING THEM AND I IS KIND OF THE POSITION THAT YOU ARE HEARING FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. AND YOU PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO MORE POLITELY SAY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO INTERVIEW THEM DIRECTLY.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HEARING.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS ALREADY THREE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN AGREEMENT HERE THAT THE CITY MANAGER SHOULD NOT TALK TO. PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLING I JUST WANT TO
GO ON RECORD SAYING I THINK IT IS FINE THAT YOU TALK TO PEOPLE, I DON'T SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS. SO THAT'S JUST ME.
WAS THE POLICY, YOU GUYS MUST HAVE THIS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME, LET'S SAY THAT
YOU ARE POSTING A POSITION FOR A DEPARTMENT HEAD AND SOMEONE THEN DECIDES
TO CALL YOU KNOW, THE PERSON WHO REPORTS ABOUT THAT DEPARTMENT HEAD,
HOPEFULLY THERE WOULD BE SOME INSTRUCTION THAT WOULD ESTABLISH
PARAMETERS THAT THOSE PEOPLE WOULD REPORT TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO BE
THAT YOU SHOULD NOT BE TALKING TO PEOPLE BEFORE THE INTERVIEW PROCESS IS
COMPLETED SO I JUST DO NOT SEE THE ISSUE AND MAYBE WITH THIS, WE ARE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES.
AREN'T SOME OF THE CANDIDATES ALREADY WORKING WITH US? SO THEY KIND OF ALREADY KNOW. THAT'S MY THOUGHT.
OKAY SO DO WE HAVE INSTRUCTIONS FOR OUR CITY MANAGER TO NOT RESPOND TO, DO
WE AGREE THAT WE WOULD PREFER THAT OUR CITY MANAGER REPLIED POLITELY THAT
HE HAS BEEN INSTRUCTED DID BY THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY WANT TO BE THE INITIAL INTERVIEWER OF APPLICANTS?
YES.
OKAY. AND I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER WOULD BE A THUMBS DOWN ON THAT SO I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. AND DOES THAT MOTION INCLUDE
THAT PARTICULAR INSTRUCTION BECAUSE IF SO, THAT MAY DRIVE COUNCILMEMBER MAURER DECISION.
SO YOU ARE ACCEPTING AND AMENDING YOUR MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT? CAN YOU RESTATE IT?
SURE. SO DO I HAVE A SECOND?
I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
OKAY SO THE MOTION THAT I HAVE IS TO HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL INTERVIEW THE FOUR CITY ATTORNEY FIRMS THAT HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR PROPOSAL. LOOKING TO DO IT EITHER THE WEEK OF MAY 28 OR, THE FOLLOWING WEEK DEPENDING UPON SCHEDULES.
THE INTERVIEWS WILL BE CONDUCTED IN AN OPEN FORM. THE HR CONSULTANT WILL BE
DOING THE REFERENCE CHECKS AND PROPOSING THIS QUESTIONS AND A ONE-WAY COMMUNICATION. AND PREPARING THE PROCESS AND SCORING CRITERIA THERE WILL BE NO SELECTION OF THE FIRM ON THAT NIGHT BUT THEY WILL RETURN TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEN DIRECTION TO CITY STAFF TO HAVE NO, NOT NO CONTACT BUT TO BE POLITE ABOUT THE RESPONSES TO ANY PROPOSALS THAT SUBMIT QUESTIONS TO THE CITY.
I WOULD THINK THAT CAPTURES THE MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY COMMENT OR DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE. OKAY, GO AHEAD.
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.
COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?
YES.
VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN?
MAYOR RICH ?
YES.
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I THOUGHT WE WOULD BE OUT OF HERE BEFORE THIS TIME. OKAY, SO THANK YOU. FOR THAT DISCUSSION, AND FOR VERY SOLID DECISION, AND FOR GIVING DIRECTION TO STAFF THAT IS VERY CLEAR. THAT TAKES CARE OF OUR REGULAR CALENDAR ITEMS. AND WE ARE NOW DOWN TO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER SIX.
DO YOU NEED A STAFF REPORT OR JUST COMMENTS ON ITEM?
I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO READDRESS ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE 2025 BUILDING CODE ELECTRIFICATION WE SHOULD ADDRESS THIS
FORMALLY WITH A PRESENTATION FROM I THINK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS THAT CORRECT?
THAT IS CORRECT. I BELIEVE JONES WILL BE DOING IT. SO JOHN YOU ARE AND MUTED. TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE STAFF REPORT. THERE YOU GO.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
YES I CAN HEAR YOU JOHN, GO AHEAD.
OKAY, I WILL DO A BRIEF REPORT THAT GOES OVER THE ITEM AND THEN I BELIEVE
STEVE PIERCE WHO IS LIKELY IN THE AUDIENCE STILL CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL
BECAUSE IT WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT FOR US FROM A CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE. AND THE BUILDING AND ENERGY WORKING GROUP. SO LET ME PULL UP
RIGHT HERE, SO THIS ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED
SENDING OUT AN OFFICIAL PUBLIC LETTER IN SUPPORT OF ZERO ADMISSIONS NEW BUILDING STANDARDS FOR THE 2025 UPGRADE TO THE BUILDING EFFICIENCY STANDARDS. ON SEPTEMBER 7, 2023, 26 CITIES AND COUNTIES WROTE A LETTER TO GOVERNOR NEWSOM AND SUPPORTING ZERO EMISSIONS CONSTRUCTION STATEWIDE. IN
THE UPDATE TO STANDARDS, BY SUPPORTING THESE EFFORTS, TURNING THESE
JURISDICTIONS AND ENCOURAGING THE STATE TO MOVE TOWARD ZERO EMISSION
BUILDINGS WHICH REFER TO BUILDINGS THAT HAVE NO COMBUSTION BASED EQUIPMENT OR APPLIANCES INSTALLED. I THINK AT THAT POINT, I WILL CONCLUDE THE STAFF PRESENTATION AS THE REST OF IT IS LAID OUT IN THE REPORT. AND INVITE STEVE PIERCE
TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT HE MAY HAVE AS THIS AGAIN WAS AN ITEM YOU BROUGHT FORTH FROM THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE.
OKAY, I THINK WE WILL INVITE STEVE PIERCE TO COME TO THE PODIUM, IN THE INTERIM JOHN, IS THERE ANY DOWNSIDE AND ANY SORT OF DOWNSIDE RISK TO THIS LETTER? IS
THERE SOME CONCERN THAT YOU AS BEING IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, HAVE ABOUT HER AGREEING TO SUPPORT THIS LETTER?
JOHN?
WE CANNOT HEAR YOU IF YOU ARE SPEAKING.
OKAY. SO WE WILL GO TO STEVE BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THERE IS NO RESPONSIBILITIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD KIND OF PUT THIS CITY IN ANY BAD SHAPE. I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS
MORE OF A BUILDING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT DOES RELATE TO THE BUILDING CODE
THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BUT SINCE THE
ITEM WAS BROUGHT FORTH BY THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE IS A COMMITTEE THAT
THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OVERSEES THAT IS WHY PLANNING IS THE APPOINTED BODY FOR THE ITEM TONIGHT.
OKAY, THANK YOU, IF YOU COULD STAY ON WE WILL GO TO STEVE PEARSON, STEVE
MAYBE YOU COULD RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S LATE BUT GIVE US THE PIECES THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
OKAY. THIS IS NOT THE CITY VOTING FOR ALL ELECTRIC BUILDINGS. IT IS SIMPLY A
LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO
ADOPT THROUGH CAL GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS A PATHWAY TO ALL ELECTRIC BUILDINGS. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE OTHER CITIES HAVE ADOPTED DIFFERENT
PATHWAYS AND WE ACTUALLY ASKED THE CLIMATE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT GOING
DOWN THE PATHWAY OF ALL ELECTRIC REACH ORDINANCE BUT GIVEN OUR SMALL SIZE
OF OUR CITY, THE SMALL STAFF SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE DON'T BUILD A LOT OF NEW BUILDINGS IN TOWN. THAT WE DETERMINED THAT IT WOULD
BE BETTER TO NOT GO DOWN THE ALL ELECTRIC REACH BECAUSE EVERY FEW YEARS
REQUIRES A REHAB OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY MEET THE COST-EFFECTIVENESS
STUDIES AND THERE IS QUITE A PAPER TRAIL THAT HAS TO BE FOLLOWED ALONG WITH THAT. SO, NOW WE ARE AT A SITUATION WHERE THE BUILDING STANDARDS ARE CHANGING AND THEY ARE BECOMING MUCH MORE EFFICIENT FOR THAT 2024 CODE CYCLE THAT WILL BE ENFORCED IN 2025. THEY ARE LEANING TOWARDS HEAT PUMPS, ALL ACROSS THE BOARD. AND THAT IS GREAT. THEY ARE NOT REQUIRING IT YET. SO WHAT
THIS DOES IS IT ALLOWS CITIES, IF THEY SO CHOOSE THROUGH CAL GREEN TO REQUIRE ALL ELECTRIC CONSTRUCTION. AND THAT IS REALLY THE GIST OF IT. RIGHT THERE.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STEVE PIERCE OR FOR JOHN BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, STEVE WE WILL TAKE YOU OFF THE HOOK AND BRING YOU BACK IF WE NEED YOU.
I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION.
GO AHEAD, YES.
SO BUT IT IS SAYING THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING THAT POSITION RIGHT? LIKE, RIGHT?
WE ARE SUPPORTING THAT THE STATE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER GOING THROUGH CAL GREEN AND ALL ELECTRIC CONSTRUCTION. OUR CITY AND OUR CLIMATE COMMITTEE,
RECOGNIZED IF WE DO NOT GO WITH ELECTRICITY IN OUR BUILDINGS AND IN OUR CARS, THERE IS NO WAY WE ARE GOING TO MEET OUR CLIMATE GOALS.
ONE MORE QUESTION IN LOCAL JURISDICTIONS HOW MANY OTHER CITIES OUT OF THE NINE HAVE PASSED SOMETHING LIKE THIS OR DONE A PROCLAMATION? THERE WERE 26 CITIES THAT PASSED THIS LETTER IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS.
I'M ASKING ABOUT THE NON-SONOMA COUNTY CITIES.
CURRENTLY WE WOULD BE THE FIRST, ACTUALLY BROUGHT THIS BEFORE THE REGIONAL CLIMATE PROTECTION AUTHORITY CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND I'M
NOT QUITE SURE WHY THEY DECIDED THAT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUSH AT THE CITY LEVELS. LEFT TO THE CITIES TO ORGANIZE THIS. SO, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW CITIES THAT ARE PUSHING.
THANKS STEVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? IF YOU CAN HANDLE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR US MARY GOURLEY?
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE ZERO ADMISSIONS BUILDING
CODE ELECTRIFICATION I WILL GO TO THE CHAMBERS FIRST, SEEING NONE I WOULD GO OUT TO ZOOM. IF YOU LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT. LINDA IF YOU COULD UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE? GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE.
ONE MORE MAJOR DISASTER. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW. I AM COMPUTER FREE, CELL
PHONE FREE AND TV FREE AND I LIVE WHERE I HAVE ALL MY ELECTRICITY TURNED OFF ALL THE TIME. EXCEPT FOR THE CIRCUITS IN THE KITCHEN FOR THE REFRIGERATOR. I CAN FEEL THE STUFF AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE ARE TOO. I LIVE IN AN APARTMENT
COMPLEX FOR MANY OF THE CHILDREN ARE BECAUSE OF THE SMART METERS AND ALL
THE OTHER ELECTRIC AND ELECTRONIC DEVICES THEY HAVE GOTTEN CANCER AND HEART TRANSPLANTS THAT I CAN FEEL THIS STUFF. THE ELECTRICITY IS NOT WITHOUT ITS BYPRODUCTS AND ITS MAIN BYPRODUCT IS MAGNETIC FIELDS. AND I'VE TOLD YOU TIME AND TIME BEFORE. AGAIN THAT WHAT MAGNETIC FIELD WHICH IS INVISIBLE
CIRCULAR FIELDS THAT SURROUNDS ANYTHING THAT HAS ELECTRICITY FLOWING
THROUGH IT LIKE THE POWER LINES OR REFRIGERATOR, OR ANY ELECTRIC MOTORS, IT
PUTS OFF THE MAGNETIC FIELD THAT IS BIOLOGICALLY AFFECTING AND PROMOTING CELLULAR GROWTH. AND THAT CELLULAR GROWTH IS THE SAME AS CANCER. WHICH WE HAVE AN EPIDEMIC OF IT SO THIS IS JUST A HUGELY BAD IDEA. ON TOP OF SO MANY BAD IDEAS. REQUIRING MORE ALL ELECTRIC BUILDINGS.
YOU HAVE ABOUT 25 SECONDS LINDA.
THE PRICE YOU ARE PAYING IS THE HEALTH OF YOUR TOWN AND COMMUNITY AND YOUR RESIDENCE. AND I URGE YOU TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A LOOK INTO THIS AND DO
A TINY BIT OF RESEARCH UNTIL THERE IS A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION ABOUT HOW THIS ALL WORKS.
THANK YOU LINDA.
GOING INTO CHAMBERS?
I DIDN'T THINK NOW IS THE TIME FOR THIS WITH EVERYTHING THAT COUNSEL IS TRYING
TO DEAL WITH I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE GOING TO BE THE FIRST CITY TO EVEN SUPPORT THIS. I BREAK THE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE THIS TERRIBLE PROBLEM WITH
NOT NECESSARILY CLIMATE CHANGE OR WHATEVER, THE POWER GRID IS INCREDIBLY UNRELIABLE. AS I SAID IN MY PUBLIC COMMENTS, I DON'T, I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 10 YEARS AND I CAN'T REMEMBER A SINGLE GAS INCIDENT BUT ARE MEMBER THE GAS
GOING OFF FOR A FIRE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THE ELECTRA'S, ELECTRIC SYSTEMS ARE A NIGHTMARE. PEOPLE RELY ON POWER AND HEATING. AND COOKING AND GAS FURNACES AND SO ON. SO I JUST THINK ALL IN ALL IT MAY BE IN A FEW YEARS TIME WHEN TECHNOLOGY IS MORE MATURE. AND WE HAVE LESS OF THE FIRE RISK AND SO ON AND SO FORTH BUT I WOULD JUST SAY NO WE SHOULDN'T DO THIS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY OR PLEASE GET MY ATTENTION. SEEING NONE I WILL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS. SEEING NONE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO MARY GOURLEY WE ARE BACK , ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS? GO AHEAD VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN?
YES, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH OUR CLIMATE
ACTION AND ACTUALLY PUTTING WITH THIS LETTER AND I THINK IT PROMISES NOTHING,
IT JUST MOVES THAT WE ARE MOVING AND WANTING TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF SUPPORTING THIS PARTICULAR GOAL. WHICH I BELIEVE IS IMPORTANT. FOR OUR
CLIMATE AND FOR HONESTLY OUR OWN LOCAL CITIZENS BECAUSE THEY ARE PART OF
THIS SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF IT AND I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE LETTER IN SUPPORT OF IT.
OKAY, GO AHEAD SOMEONE DOWN HERE RAISED THEIR HAND.
I'M SORRY, I WANT TO CHECK IN BECAUSE I DID NOT HANDLE THIS APPROPRIATELY LAST TIME. MARY GOURLEY THERE IS A MOTION ON THE TABLE SHOULD I BE CALLING FOR A SECOND BEFORE WE HAVE COMMENT?
TYPICALLY YOU WOULD BEFORE YOU HAVE COMMENTS.
SO I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A SECOND WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION AND WE WILL HAVE COMMENT.
I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON GO AHEAD.
YES I REQUESTED THIS ITEM TO BE PULLED FRANKLY BECAUSE I DID NOT BELIEVE IT NEEDED TO BE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, ANOTHER ITEM IN PASSING. AND AS A
REPRESENTATIVE I AM ON THE CLIMATE COMMITTEE FOR OUR CPA AND THEY DECIDED NOT TO PASS IT. I'M FEELING LIKE WITH ALL THE FOCUS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT
NOW, I FEEL REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE VOTING WITH THIS AT THIS TIME, I THINK I WANT
MORE HOMES BUT THAT'S WHERE I AM AT AND THIS DOES LEAD TO MORE RESTRICTIONS,
I HAVE AN, A UNIT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET BUILT AND THUS I HAD TO BUILD IT TO THESE RESTRICTIONS I PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD IT RIGHT NOW. SO MANY FEES TO BE HONEST. SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS TONIGHT AND I THINK IT'S A BIGGER DISCUSSION THAT SHOULD BE ON CONSENT CALENDAR IN THE FUTURE.
THANKS.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS?
I SPEND A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT THIS SO I HAVE SOMETHING I WILL READ TO KEEP MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER. SO I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE CONCERNS
SURROUNDING HEALTH AND GAS EXPOSURES AND WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE LETTER
AND I AM A RESPIRATORY THERAPIST AND SPEND YEARS STUDYING GAS AND HOW THEY IMPACT A HUMAN. BUT, I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE AND PRINCIPLE VOTE TO SEND A
LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR ENCOURAGING A MANDATE AND ALL ELECTRIC CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. IN MY EXPERIENCE OUR CURRENT ELECTRIC PROVIDER IN CALIFORNIA IS VERY UNRELIABLE AND A NON-RELIABLE SYSTEM. AND IS IN MY OPINION IN SHAMBLES AT BEST. I PERSONALLY, WE HAVE LOST OUR ELECTRICITY MORE THAN NINE TIMES SINCE DECEMBER. I WORRY MORE ABOUT YOU KNOW ELECTRICITY GOING OUT THAN NOT HAVING GAS. AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT WORRY ABOUT LOSING MY GAS.
WITHOUT POWER, I THINK ABOUT ELECTRIC CARS CAN'T BE CHARGED. PATIENTS ON
CONCENTRATORS CANNOT PRODUCE OXYGEN THAT THEY NEED AND I THINK ABOUT
THAT AS SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE HOMECARE WITH PEOPLE WHO LOSE POWER AND
THEN ALSO PEOPLE CAN'T COOK IN THEIR HOMES AND WARMED THEIR HOMES BUT I CAN
DO THESE THINGS WITH GAS AND I WOULD JUST PREFER TO SEND A LETTER
ENCOURAGING THE GOVERNOR TO DO WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO AFTER THOUSANDS
OF OUR NEIGHBORS LOST THEIR HOMES IN THE WILDFIRES AND THAT'S THE WHOLE THE ELECTRIC PROVIDER TO A HIGHER STANDARD. IN SEARCH FOR THE PROVIDER OF THE
ELECTRICITY SAFELY AND RELIABLY AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE MORE RESTRICTIONS FOR BUILDING AT THIS POINT. AND I BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE AND I BELIEVE THAT
WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC IN WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HOLD OUR GOVERNOR
MORE ACCOUNTABLE FOR PROVIDING THE ELECTRICITY THAT WE ALL DESERVE THAT WE ALL PAY A LOT OF MORE, A LOT OF MONEY FOR. SO AT THIS TIME I CAN'T VOTE FOR THE 2025 ELECTRIFICATION LETTER. YOU KNOW. IN THE FUTURE IF WE HAVE A MORE
RELIABLE SYSTEM I CAN SEE THAT IT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IS FAIR TO OUR CITIZENS
AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST A LETTER BUT I CAN'T ON PRINCIPLE INCURRED SOMETHING
THAT I JUST DON'T THINK IS REALLY FAIR OR YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD DO AT THIS TIME. SO. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I THINK WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM EVERYONE, I WILL WEIGH IN AT THIS POINT. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO APPRECIATE AT THIS LATE HOUR I HOPE THE
PUBLIC APPRECIATES THE COMPLETE ENGAGEMENT FROM ALL FIVE COUNCILMEMBERS HERE. WE ARE ALL PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT WE HEAR FROM OTHERS BUT WHAT WE
HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND YES I AM SPEAKING IN A MANNER TO A COUPLE OF
COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE PUBLIC, WE DO LISTEN AND HEAR AND WE DO
CONSIDER CAREFULLY OUR DECISIONS AND YOU WILL SEE ALL OF US NO ONE ALIGNS, WE MAKE DIFFERENT VOTES ON DIFFERENT TOPICS WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE. MY
PERSPECTIVE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT BUILDING AND LIMITING BUILDING AND AFFECTING BUILDING. I APPRECIATE THOUGH,
THE EFFORT BY THIS CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE TO STEP AWAY FROM THE BIGGER
AND MORE ABRUPT AND WHAT I THINK WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE STEP OF
ENCOURAGING US TO GO WITH AN ALL ELECTRIC REACH ORDINANCE I THINK THAT
WOULD HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE I SEE THIS LETTER AS A COMMUNICATION OF MESSAGING
OF AN ASPIRATIONAL GOAL AND I SUPPORT SENDING THIS LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THIS PARTICULAR ASPIRATIONAL GOAL IN ORDER TO MOVE THE NEEDLE FORWARD JUST A BIT.
IN TERMS OF CLIMATE CHANGE, ELECTRIFICATION, RECOGNIZING OF COURSE THAT THEY
ARE AWFUL BUT NONETHELESS, AND RECOGNIZING I'M TRYING TO GO ALL ELECTRIC SO I
AM FULLY AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS LETTER AND
APPRECIATE OUR CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE WORKING ON A LETTER AND A POSITION
THAT WOULD BE INITIAL STEP RATHER THAN A HUGE BOLD MOVE THAT WOULD BURDEN CONTRACTORS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY TO A HUGE EXTENT. SO, I THINK UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAS A COMMENT TO ADD. WE GO TO A VOTE. NO. YES. WE GO TO A VOTE.
THANK YOU.
SO MOVED BY VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND SECONDED BY MAURER. COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
NO.
COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER?
YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER McLEWIS?
NO.
MOTION PASSES 3-2.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND NOW WE CAN GO TO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. I GUESS I SHOULD OFFER, WE HAVE HALF HOUR LEFT AT MOST, DOES ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL FEEL THE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK? NO BREAKS NEEDED? OKAY. SO, LET'S GO FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA PLEASE.
THIS IS A TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA, IF YOU DID NOT GET TO SPEAK EARLIER THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK NOW. IF THERE IS ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS?
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE DISASTER PREPAREDNESS. I MISSED THE INFORMATION ABOUT BUDGETING. I THINK WE DO HAVE A PROGRAM AND SEVERAL PROGRAMS IN SEBASTOPOL. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNICATION UNIT AND COUNSEL. AND SKIP IS WONDERFUL AND A PUBLIC SAFETY OUTREACH, JUST A WONDERFUL COORDINATOR.
INVOLVED IN ALL THREE OF THOSE PROGRAMS. I BELIEVE MAKING DECISIONS FOR THE
COMMON GOOD AND IF WE DON'T DECIDE ON CONTINUING WITH THESE PROGRAMS, WHICH ARE IN THE RECEPTION STAGE. THERE IS A DISASTER THAT HAPPENS AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY CELL PHONES. COMMUNICATION, EARTHQUAKES OR FIRES, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THIS. AND I HOPE THAT THE BUDGET ALLOWS CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR THESE PROGRAMS. THAT IS MY COMMENT, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. I WILL GO OUT DOES THEM, IF YOU DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO MAKE
PUBLIC COMMENT EARLIER AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA NOW IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY. SEEING THEN I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. SEEING NONE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
THANK YOU, WE NOW ARE ON ITEM NUMBER 13. WHICH IS CITY MANAGER AND/OR CITY CLERK REPORTS.
I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS FOR YOU THIS EVENING. TOMORROW EVENING THE GOLD
RIDGE BOARD OF FIRE ORDER OF DIRECTORS WILL BE CONSIDERING A CONTRACT WITH
US SCHEDULED TO GO THROUGH SEPTEMBER FOLLOWING THE DECISION TO PURSUE FIRE DISTRICT CONSOLIDATION. AND SO, IF THEY APPROVE THAT WHICH I ANTICIPATE AND
HOPE WILL HAPPEN, IT MEANS A COUPLE OF THINGS, ONE, IT MEANS THAT THEY WILL BE
TAKING ON OUR FIRE CHIEF RESPONSIBILITIES AND THEIR CHIEF WILL BE OUR CHIEF BUT
TODAY TODAY THERE DEPUTY CHIEF WILL BE ACTING AND FOR THE MOST PART IN THAT ROLE. IT MEANS AND THIS IS A CHANGE FROM A PRIOR VERSION BUT WE WILL BE
RENEWING RESPONSIBILITIES FROM THAT ROLE AND ASSIGNING THAT TO CHIEF NELSON WHICH TO SOME EXTENT HAS BEEN HAPPENING INFORMALLY ANYWAY. BUT IT'S A ROLE
BUT I THINK WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR AND WE CAN BEST MEET THEM IF WE KEEP THAT IN HOUSE. THE CHIEF IS ALSO TAKING ON MORE RESPONSIBILITY AROUND TRAFFIC ISSUES AS WE TRY TO REDUCE THE EXPENSES FOR OUR CITY ENGINEER. BY GIVING OUR FISCAL CONSTRAINTS AND ALSO TAKING ON MORE AROUND HOMELESSNESS. SO, HIS
PLATE CONTINUES TO GET A LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND HAS BEEN VERY OPEN AND CHEERFUL ABOUT TAKING THAT ON. AT LEAST IN FRONT OF ME. SO, THOSE ARE IN PROCESS AND ALSO TODD WILL NO LONGER BE OUR CHIEF AFTER TOMORROW. IF THAT HAPPENED. IF THE CONTRACT GETS APPROVED. IF IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED, I THINK WE HAVE TO TERMINATE THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS. SECOND THING IS
THAT IN THE COMING WEEK OR SO I AM HOPING TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE
PROBABLY ON EMAIL ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE COMMITTEE THE FUTURE OF SOME OF
OUR COMMITTEES TO CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE AND PUBLIC ARTS COMMITTEE AND
POTENTIALLY THE MERGER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
AREA I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO GIVING YOU AN UPDATE AND I NEED TO GET AN UPDATE MYSELF. AND I CAN SHARE THE
STATUS OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND THE NEXT STEPS, SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANYTHING FROM OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER? OKAY.
LARRY McLAUGHLIN, CITY ATTORNEY. OKAY, SO WE ARE NOW BACK WITH OUR COUNCILMEMBERS, FOR CITY COUNCIL OR REPORTS. I USUALLY START AT THIS END BUT I WILL SWITCH IT UP AND SEE IF COUNCILMAN McLEWIS WOULD LIKE TO START OTHERWISE WE WOULD JUST GO BACK TO OUR REGULAR PATTERN.
SURE.
AND IF YOU WANT ME, I WAS JUST TRYING TO EXERCISE EQUITY HERE. OKAY. OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER GO AHEAD.
WE HAD A BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING. AND VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND I ARE ON THAT. AND IS IT STANDING COMMITTEE. AND PRIMARILY WE DISCUSSED THE BUDGET FOR PUBLIC WORKS. IN THIS COMMITTEE MEETING IS POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE.
I'M SORRY I'M GOING TO SPEAK NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS BUT IT APPEARS TO BE AN INTRUSION, I WILL KEEP TALKING. OVER THAT. ALL RIGHT, I SEE THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL WHOSE PHONE STARTED. I GOT KIND OF A TRIGGER RESPONSE AFTER EARLIER TODAY. THANK YOU. SO GOING BACK TO COUNCILMEMBER MAURER, I'M SORRY.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH TWO RESIDENTS ON RIGHTS OF NATURE ORDINANCE. AND
WE FINALIZED WORDING CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE WHICH IS EDITED FROM SANTA MONICA SUSTAINABLE RIGHTS OF NATURE ORDINANCE. AND WE ARE BRINGING THIS TO CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE NEXT WEEK FOR THEIR REVIEW. AND AFTER THAT, AT
SOME POINT WE WILL TAKE IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND RIGHTS OF NATURE ORDINANCE IS PART OF OUR GENERAL PLAN. AND IT IS ALSO ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S FUTURE WORK PLAN. LAST FRIDAY, I MET WITH RESIDENTS AT THE LUTHER BURBANK HOMES AND GARDENS AND I DID A Q&A AND THE COMMUNITY ROOM.
AND JUST, I WILL GIVE YOU A QUICK RUNDOWN ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AND ASK ABOUT. THEY WERE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT
MORE ABOUT THE EMTS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND HOW THE MERGER AFFECTS THAT. THEY WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT SENIOR CENTER FUNDING. THEY WERE
CONCERNED ABOUT BIRDS AND INSECTS DISAPPEARING AND HOW THE VINEYARD SPRING WAS AFFECTING THIS AND WHAT WE COULD DO. AND I SUGGESTED WE COULD SEND A
LETTER TO THE COUNTY ASKING THEM TO BAND ROUNDUP AND THEY APPLAUDED SO I THINK THAT IS THE SUGGESTION, THE ASK ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN CELL TOWER AND 5G
AND I EXPLAINED ABOUT CO-LOCATION LAWS AND HOW ONCE THE CELL TOWER IS UP THEY COULD ADD MORE ANTENNAS LATER. THAT IS A FEDERAL LAW I BELIEVE. THEY
VERY CONCERNED WITH THE INADEQUATE PARKING THAT IS PLANNED FOR WOOD
MARCH, THEY WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE A TRAFFIC LIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR ENTRANCE. THEY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT A FREE SHUTTLE IF IT WOULD STILL BE RUNNING NEXT YEAR. THEY REQUESTED BUS NUMBER 29 THAT GOES OUT TO THE OCEAN IN THE SUMMER IF THAT COULD COME BACK. AND THEY HAVE A REQUEST TO BEAUTIFY THE PLAZA. WITH FLOWERS. AND TO ALSO BEAUTIFY THE CITY HALL AND LIBRARY. AND
SOMEONE FOLLOWED UP, RESIDENT FOLLOWED UP WITH ME AND SHOWED ME THE
PICTURES OF WHAT THE CITY HALL LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW AND IT DOES CERTAINLY LOOK LIKE IT NEEDS SOME FLOWERS. AND I SPENT THE LAST WEEK ALSO DOING A
SPREADSHEET AND WORKING ON UNDERSTANDING THE NUMBERS ON THE WATER AND SEWER DEFICITS SO. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I THINK WE ARE TO STEPHEN ZOLLMAN.
THANK YOU MADAME MAYOR SO I CONTINUE TO SERVE AND WORK ON CHILD CARE
PLANNING COUNCILS WAGE INCREASE SUBCOMMITTEE BECAUSE WE ARE STILL TRYING
TO DIAL AT THE END ABOUT THIS WHOLE FUTURE MAIN AND OUR INDIVIDUAL CHILDCARE PROVIDERS WAGES ARE GOING TO INCREASE. OR NOT INCREASE. SO WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT MEANWHILE NOT EVERYBODY IS SUPPORTING THE INITIATIVE. I
ATTENDED THE SENIOR CENTER BOARD MEETING AND SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALL KNEW THAT DON WAS AVAILABLE. MID TO END OF JULY AFTER THE
BUDGET CYCLE TO COME AND EXPLAIN THE WATER SEWER RATES BECAUSE EVERYBODY CARES ABOUT THOSE ON FIXED INCOMES. LIBRARY CHECK-IN. SO THAT WE COULD
PREPARE OUR LIBRARY AD HOC'S RECOMMENDATION EVERYBODY IS DYING TO HEAR WHAT IT IS. AND THAT WILL BE ON MAY 21, OUR COUNCIL MEETING TO ACCEPT THAT
FINAL, WHAT WOULD PROBABLY BE OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION FROM A YEARS WORTH OF WORK. AND POWER BOARD MEETING WE CONTINUE TO EXPLORE GEOTHERMAL ENERGY. WE'VE HAD MUCH DISCUSSION TONIGHT ABOUT ELECTRIC AND GAS AND EVERYTHING, THAT COULD BE A REAL THING SO, STAY TUNED. ALL OF US
FRIDAY CHILDCARE PLANNING RETREAT WHICH ALL FOCUSED ON TRAUMA BECAUSE IT'S
NOT JUST EVERYTHING BEFORE, IT EXASPERATED THE LEVELS OF TRAUMA FOR ALL OF OUR KIDS AND ALL OF THEIR CARERS SO THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE A PRIORITY. AND COINCIDENTALLY I MIGHT BE CHAIR ELECT, I DON'T KNOW, STANDBY. AND THEN ALSO
THE MUSEUM THAT WAS RECENTLY APPOINTED TO OUR MUSEUM AND TO THE FARM AND
ATTENDED THE FIRST BOARD MEETING WHICH IS FABULOUS, PEOPLE DO NOT GET ENOUGH CREDIT AND BY THE WAY, 50th YEAR, UNION IS COMING UP SO STAY TUNED FOR ALL THE FESTIVITIES.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GOING ON, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON OR COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS?
YES, I AM PREPARED. SO, WELL RELATED AND UNRELATED, I ATTENDED COMMUNITY MATTERS OF STANDARD LUNCH LAST FRIDAY. AND IT WAS REALLY COOL BECAUSE ONE
OF THE HONOREES WAS ONE OF OUR FAMILY STUDENTS, SAVANNA CONWELL AND WE
ALSO HAD ANOTHER WEST COUNTY HONOREE I DON'T KNOW THAT I GOT HIS NAME BUT HE ATTENDS WILLOW SIDE SO THAT WAS REALLY COOL. REPRESENTATION AND: MARA I
BELIEVE FROM WILLOW SIDE MIDDLE SCHOOL SO, HE WAS YOUNGER AND SHE WAS A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT. SO, WE HAD GOOD REPRESENTATION FROM THE WEST COUNTY THERE. OF COURSE. I DON'T WANT TO STEAL THE MAYORS THUNDER BUT WE DID THE APPLE BLOSSOM PARADE IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS SO, THAT WAS REALLY FUN. AND
THEN, I DID ATTEND A WORKSHOP TODAY FOR THE GSA SANTA ROSA GSA AND IT WAS A B
STUDY SESSION WHICH I DID SERVE ON THEIR SUBCOMMITTEE AD HOC TO GET THE PRESENTATION TO THAT POSITION. IT DOES TALK ABOUT RATES FOR WELL HOLDERS
THAT ARE OUT IN THE COUNTY BUT BECAUSE WE ARE A MEMBER AND A VOTING
MEMBER, WE HAVE INPUT ON THAT AND ALSO TALKS ABOUT A VOLUNTARY SYSTEM
THAT WILL BE LAUNCHED AND SO IF YOU VOLUNTARILY METER YOUR WATER, YOUR
WATER WELL AND YOU CAN SAY THAT YOU USE LESS THAN YOU DO, YOU CAN APPLY
FOR LESSER SO THAT WILL BE COMING AND IT WILL BE PUSHED OUT TO THE PUBLIC IN ABOUT JUNE. AND SO, I WILL ASK FOR ACTUALLY, ANDY ROGERS TO GIVE ME THE SLIDE
PRESENTATION AND MAYBE WE CAN PASS THAT OUT TO COUNSEL AND POST ON OUR
WEBSITE EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT'S A PUBLIC DOCUMENT ALREADY IF ANYBODY HAS ANY INFORMATION AND WANTS MORE ON THAT. SO THAT WAS MY ANNOUNCEMENTS.
COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS?
I WAS GOING TO SAY THE PARADE TWO. BUT, SO I, RIGHT BEFORE APPLE BLOSSOM I
ACTUALLY ATTENDED THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MEETINGS AND ONE THING THAT
THEY'VE ASKED AND I STILL NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON WITH THE CITY IS WHEN WE VOTED TO GIVE MONIES, WE HAD ASKED THEM ABOUT THE 3500 AND SO THEY WERE WANTING
AN ACTUAL LIST OF WHAT THOSE COSTS INVOLVED SO I SPOKE ABOUT IT WAS MORE
MATERIALS BUT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING MORE DETAILED SO, THAT'S ON
ME, I NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE CITY TO GET THAT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AT THEIR NEXT BOARD MEETING. SINCE NOW THE APPLE
BLOSSOMS OVER AND THEY WILL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE FINANCIAL SITUATION, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP. WE'VE HAD VARIOUS CLOSED
SESSIONS, I'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY. I CAN'T GO TO THE GROCERY STORE WITHOUT BEING STOPPED. AND THEN ALSO, LATELY ABOUT THE WATER RATES. AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY CULTURAL
CENTER, THEY HAVE AND ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THEIR BUDGET AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE AT WITH OURS. THEY DO AND ARE TRYING TO RAMP UP
THEIR PROGRAMS AND THEY ACTUALLY JUST WANTED ME TO MENTION THAT THEY HAVE A BIG AUTHOR TALK COMING UP WHICH IS A GOOD FUNDRAISER FOR THEM. SO ON MAY 26 THEY ARE DOING AN AUTHOR TALK WITH PETER COYOTE AND MICHAEL AND I ATTENDED THAT YEARS AGO. WHEN DIANA WAS STILL THERE, SO OR I SHOULD SAY MAYOR RICH, SORRY. SORRY. SO ANYWAYS THEY WANTED ME TO REMIND ANYONE OF
THAT AND THEN WORLD FRIENDS JUST HAD THEIR EVENT RECENTLY AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYONE ATTENDED THAT AT ALL BECAUSE I WAS OUT OF TOWN. SO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
SO THAT'S MY REPORT.
GREAT, WELL, I LOVE THESE REPORTS. VERY EXCITING. YES, APPLE BLOSSOM PARADE
WAS GREAT, I LOVED ALL OF OUR PURPLE HATS, LOVED THE PHOTOS AND HAVING OUR CITY MANAGER THERE. HE WAS A GOOD SPORT. AND JUST BEEN PART OF THAT WHOLE SCENE, THAT WAS VERY FUN. THE, SO MY INVOLVEMENT MEET YOUR NEIGHBOR, I MEET WITH STAN, STAN GREEN AND TODD HAS BEEN JOINING US. OUR FIRE CHIEF THAT WAS ON APRIL 17. I ALSO MEET REGULARLY WITH THE SEBASTOPOL ACTION COALITION, THEIR QUARTERLY MEETING WAS ON APRIL 17 AND THAT IS A GROUP OF YOU KNOW, THE ROTARY AND THOSE GROUPS, ALL MEET QUARTERLY. TO COORDINATE THEIR EFFORTS VOLUNTEER AND FUNDRAISING. ON THE ZERO WASTE SIDE, THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE STEERING COMMITTEE, MET ON MAY 1. AND, SANDRA MAUER IS INVOLVED IN THAT TOO. OUR COUNCILMEMBER. I WAS THE WELCOME SPEAKER AT THE ZERO WASTE SYMPOSIUM ON MAY 2 AND THAT WAS REALLY AWESOME AND EXCITING. AND INSPIRING. TO SEE ALL OF THOSE AMAZING PEOPLE, COFFEE WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER
THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO DO IS MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS ON THEIR CALENDARS JOE Mc LEWIS COUNCILMEMBER Mc LEWIS WILL BE ON MAY 29 AT THIS AREA SO IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH HER FOR HER COFFEE WITH A COUNCILMEMBER,
OPPORTUNITY THAT WOULD BE GREAT SHE IS LOOKING AT HER CALENDAR AND SO, THAT IS McLEWIS AND THEN DID , TRAN FIFTH, HINTON, I WAS IN MAY, I'M SORRY, ON APRIL 24.
AT TAYLOR LANE AND THAT WAS REALLY FUN. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOWED UP WITH
A LOT OF VERY INTERESTING SUGGESTIONS KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE HEARD FROM COUNCILMEMBER MAURER AT THE BURBANK CENTER. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO
TO THOSE BECAUSE IT REALLY IS AN OPEN FORUM AND YOU CAN ASK AND SAY WHATEVER YOU LIKE. I MET WITH AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS INTERESTED IN INSTALLING AN OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER AT IVES PARK. THAT WAS AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION. ON
THE HORIZON SHINES INSIDE I WAS INVOLVED IN SOME NEGOTIATIONS THAT ENDED UP
NOT COMING TO FLOURISH IN BUT I WAS HOPEFUL THAT WOULD HAVE PLACED ONE OF THE RISE AND SHINE PEOPLE AT A LOCAL CHURCH. BUT THAT DID NOT WORK OUT AND
THEN I CONTINUED TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE POLICE CHIEF IN EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS MEETINGS WITH HER RISE AND SHINE LEADERSHIP AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE IFT ENHANCED INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING DISTRICT PROCESS
IS MOVING FORWARD AND WE SHOULD BE SEEING AND RECEIVING RFPS FOR THAT
EFFORT AND ENGAGING THE COUNTY WITH THE DISCUSSION TO DO THOSE INTERVIEWS AND SELECTION PROCESS THAT SHOULD BE BACK AT THE COUNCIL. IN JUNE. THAT IS IT, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO COVER TRAN ALONE. EVERYONE HAS CLEARED. THEY PACKED UP, MEETING ADJOURNED. 9:20 PM, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR
YOUR PARTICIPATION, YOUR PATIENCE AND ARE PLANNING, INTERIM PLANNING DIRECTOR STATE UNTIL NOW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [ EVENT CONCLUDED ] [Event Concluded]