CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
MINUTES FOR MEETING OF: Tuesday -June 18,2024
MINUTES FOR Regular City Council Meeting of June L8,2024 As Approved by the City Council at their regular meeting of Julv 2,2024 Please note that these are action minutes only. Detailed raw transcript is attached to the minutes and made a part of the public record. These action minutes are the City's record of a summary of actions that took place at the meeting. The vote/action is the required information of the meeting actions that took place. Approved minutes are available on the City Council Meetings page.
The public is advised that pursuant to Government Code section 54957.5 all writings submitted to the City and City Council are public records and will be made available for review. 5:00 pm CiW Council Regular Meeting. ln Person - Sebastopol Youth Annex. 425 Morris Street.
Sebastopol. CAy'Virtual Format (Zoom)
Call to Order: Mayor Rich called the Regular Meeting to Order at 6:00 pm.
RollCall:
Present: Mayor Diana Gardner Rich
Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman
Councilmember NeYsa Hinton
Councilmember Sandra Maurer
Councilmember Jill Mclewis
Absent: None
Staff: City Manager Don Schwartz (Zoom)
City Attorney Larry McLaughlin
Assistant City Manager/City Clerk Mary Gourley
Administrative Services Director Ana Kwong
City Engineer/GHD Consultant Toni Bertolero
Police Chief Ron Nelson
SALUTE TO THE FLAG : Mayor Rich led the salute to the flag.
REMOTE PARTICIPATION UNDER A82449 (lF NEEDED): To consider and take action on any request from a Council Member to participate in a meeting remotely due to Just Cause or Emergency Circumstances pursuant lo AB 2449 (Government Code Section 549539(f)). None Required.
P ROCLAMATI ONS/P RES E NTATIO NS :
The following was presented:
o Proclamation Recognizing Larry Mclaughlin Upon his Retirement from the City of Sebastopol after 37 years of service.
Reference Order Number: 2024-1'29
STATEMENTS OF CONFLICfS OF INTEREST: Conflicts of interest may arise in situations where a public official deliberating towards a decision, has an actual or potential financlal interest in the matter before the Council. In accordance with state law, an actual confllct of
interest is one that would be to the private financial benefit of a public official, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A potential conflict of interest is one that could be to the private financial benefit of a Councilmember, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A Councilmember must publicly announce potential and actual conflicts of interest, and, in the case of actual conflict of interest, must refrain from participating in debate on the issue or from voting on the rssue and must remove themselves from the dais.
There were no stated conflicts of interest by City Councilmembers. puBLtc CoMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA (FIRST COMMENT PERIOD):
Up to Twenty (20) Minute Time Limit (Two Minutes for up to ten speakers). Additional public comment will be held at the end of the discussionandactionitemsforuptoanadditionaltwenty(20) minutes. Mayorhasdiscretiontoallowforadditional timebeyondthe20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers process for calling on Speakers: Mayor or designee shall ask for public comment as follows: Speakers to be called on in an alternate manner (One speaker in person to be called on first; then one speaker remote to be called on second with additional speakers to be called on in the same manner) based upon the time limit.
The following members of the public spoke during public comment:
Kyle
Admin
Oliver
Linda
Kate
Myriah
Mayor Rich responded to public comment.
City Attorney McLaughlin responded to public comment'
CONSENT CALENDAR: The consent agenda consists of items that are routine in nature and do not require additional discussion by the City Council or have been reviewed by the City Council previously. These items may be approved by one motion without discussion unless a member ofthe city council requests that the item be taken offthe consent calendar.
The Mayor will read the consent calendar items; ask if a Councilmember wishes to remove one or more items from the consent calendar; and then open public comment to the members of the public in attendance. At this time, a member of the public may speak for up to three minutes on the entire consent calendar and request at that time that an agenda item or items be removed for discussion. lf an item or items are removed from the consent calendar, the item shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor or Mayor Pro Tern'
Councilmembers may comment on Consent Calendar items or ask for minor clarifications without the need for pulling the item for separate consideration. ltems requiring deliberation should be pulled for separate consideration and shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor or Mayor Pro Tem.
Mayor Rich asked if any Councilmember wanted to remove a consent calendar item. There were none.
Mayor Rich opened for Public Comment(s). The following member(s) of the public provided public comment' Linda
Kyle
Mayor Rich responded to public comment
MOTION:
Vice Mayor Zollman moved and Councilmember Hinton seconded the motion to approve Consent Calendar ltem Number(s) L,2,3,4,5, and 6.
Mayor Rich called for a roll callvote. City staff conducted a roll callvote
VOTE:
Ayes:
Noes:
Absent:
Abstain
Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer, McLewis, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich None
None
None
t. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes - Special Meeting of lune 4,2024 - City Attorney Services Proposal I nterviews ( Responsible Department: city Administration) City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes - Special Meeting of June 4,2024 - City Attorney Services Proposal lnterviews
Minute Order Number: 2024-130
2. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes for Regular Meeting of June 4,2024 (Responsible Department:
City Administration)
City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes for Regular Meeting of lune 4,2024 Minute Order Number: 2024-1'31
3. Approval of Resolution Calling and Giving Notice of a General Municipal Election to be held on Tuesday, November 5,2024 (The first Tuesday after the first Monday in November of each year) for the Election of Members of the City Council as required, and Requesting the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors to Consolidate the General Municipal Election with the Statewide General Election to be held on that date pursuant to Elections Code; and Approval of Resolution Adopting Regulations for Candidates for Elective Office pertaining to the Candidate Statement of Qualifications and Requiring Each Candidate Filing a Candidate Statement of Qualifications Pay in Advance to the Local Agency an Estimated Pro Rated Share (SS00.00) as a Condition of Having Statement included in the Voters Pamphlet for the Municipal Election to be held on November 5,2024.
a. (Two Seats Open at the November election: Neysa Hinton; Diana Rich) b. Nomination Papers will be available once the nomination period has opened (not earlier than the 113th day nor later than the 88th day before the municipal election). Appointments will be required. Candidates must obtain and complete the official nomination documents that are issued bythe Office of the City Clerk. This is done duringthe official nomination period.
Nomination forms are issued at no charge. Hours Available are Monday through Thursday, Between 8:0Oam to 5:00pm (closed 12pm-1pm) except for City holidays. To schedule an appointment, please contactthe City Clerk's Office. Acandidate should be prepared to provide their name and residential address for validation of current voter registration and eligibility status.
c. Nomination period opens: July 1-5,2O24
d. Standard nomination period closes (deadline to file papers): August 9,2024 e. Extended nomination period closes (deadline to file for a seat if one or more of the incumbents do notfile): August 1-4,2024
g. Election DaY: November 5,2024
h. Who Can Run for CitY Council:
r Be at least eighteen years of age or older
o Be a citizen of the United States
o Be a resident of the State of California
o Be a registered voter for not less than 30 days preceding the date of filing candidate papers. Registration will be verified before issuance of nomination papers. The candidate shall be and remain a qualified voter in the city from which he/she seeks office from the time of filing nomination papers, as well as, throughout the fullterm of his/her office.
. Have No Felony Convictions: A person is disqualified from holding an office upon conviction of designated crimes as specified in the Constitution and laws of the state. (Government Code Section 1-021)
o lf Elected, You Have to Serve: The Declaration of Candidacy, which each candidate must file, states that if elected the candidate will qualify for and accept the office. The affidavit also states that the candidate will not withdraw before the election. (Elections Code Section 8028, 8040, 10510, 10511) City cou ncil Action : Approved Cal ling of Election/cand idate statements Minute Order Number 2024-L32
ResolutionNumber: 6594-2024
6595-2024
4. Approval to Direct City Attorney to Review the Conflict of lnterest Code. State law requires all public agencies, including cities, to adopt a conflict of interest code. This document identifies the positions required to file Statements of Economic lnterests (Form 700) and sets forth the disclosure categories of types of interests that must be reported. These codes are to be reviewed and, if necessary, updated every two years in order to stay abreast of the current state of the law and to accurately reflect the individual officeholderssubjecttotherequirements.Theupdateisrequiredthiscalendaryear. (Responsible Department: City Clerk)
City CouncilAction: Approved Direct City Attorney to Review the Conflict of lnterest Code. State law requires all public agencies, including cities, to adopt a conflict of interest code. This document identifies the positions required to file Statements of Economic lnterests (Form 700) and sets forth the disclosure categories of types of interests that must be reported. These codes are to be reviewed and, if necessary, updated every two years in order to stay abreast of the current state of the law and to accurately reflect the individual office holders subject to the requirements. The update is required this calendar year.
Minute Order Number: 2024-1'33
5. Approval of Acceptance of lmprovements for public use and authorizing staff to file a Notice of Completion for Parquet Street Water and Sewer Replacement and Slurry Seal (the Project). The Project consisted of constructing new sewer mains, sewer manholes and laterals to replace leaking and aged sewer lines, which posed a threat to public health and the environment, and new water main and services to replace leaking water lines and lead services. (Responsible Department: Engineering) City Council Action: Approved Acceptance of lmprovements for public use and authorizing staff to file a Notice of Completion for parquet Street Water and Sewer Replacement and Slurry Seal (the Project). The Project consisted of constructing new sewer mains, sewer manholes and laterals to replace leaking and aged sewer lines, which posed a threat to public health and the environment, and new water main and services to replace leaking water lines and lead services.
Minute Order Number 2024-1'34
6. Enhanced lnfrastructure Finance District (EIFD)Award of Contract to Consultant, Kosmont Companies, and authorize Staff to execute an Agreement with the firm to provide Planning Consultant Services as well as perform all work required for the project, as described in the proposal from Kosmont Companies (Kosmont proposal) in an amount not to exceed $50,000. Funding has been allocated and received from the County of Sonoma. There are no city funds expended for this contract. (Responsible Department:
Plann ing)
CityCouncilAction: EnhancedlnfrastructureFinanceDistrict(EIFD)AwardofContracttoConsultant,Kosmont Companies, and authorize Staff to execute an Agreement with the firm to provide Planning Consultant Services as well as perform all work required for the project, as described in the proposal from Kosmont Companies (Kosmont Proposal) in an amount not to exceed $50,000. Funding has been allocated and received from the County of Sonoma. There are no city funds expended for this contract Minute Order Number 2024-135
INFORMATTONAL ITEMS/PRESENTATIONS: lnformational ltems or Presentations are items that are informational only and do not require action by the City Council. Presentations shall be scheduled as necessary for the promotion of an event or service or general information items to the Council and should be limited to ten (1"0) minutes total in length of item (total length includes questions of Council to presenter and public comment).
NONE
7. Continuation - Consideration of Recommended Actions from Library Ad Hoc Committee. The Ad Hoc Committee was formed to explore future possibilities for Sebastopol's Branch, including but not limited to the issues of increased staffing and adequate facilities. The item tonight is to receive the Report from the Library Ad Hoc Committee and discuss the recommended actions in the report. lt is also recommended that the Ad Hoc Committee be dissolved as it was created for this specific purpose. Depending upon the outcome of the recommendations, the Council could consider a new Ad Hoc for specific actions. (Requestor: Vice MaYor Zollman)
Vice Mayor Zollman presented the agenda item recommending the City Council receive the report and support and approve the recommendations in the report.
Mayor Rich asked for questions of staff. The Council directed questions to City staff.
Mayor Rich opened for public comment. The following member(s) of the public spoke:
Oliver
Mary C.
Kate
Member of the audience
Robert
Kyle
Admin
Linda
Citv Council Discussion. Direction or Deliberations:
The City Council discussed the report and requested information MOTION:
Councilmember Maurer moved to:
. Dissolve the current sub-committee and approve creation of a new sub-committee . Appointed Vice Mayor Zollman to the sub-committee to address the recommendations starting in page 23 of 34
There was no second.
The Motion Fails Due to Lack of a Second.
Mayor Rich moved and Vice Mayor Zollman seconded the motion to support and approve the following recommendations:
r Dissolve the current ad hoc sub-committee and approve creation of a new sub-committee
. Appointed Vice Mayor Zollman to the ad hoc sub-committee to address the recommendations starting in page 23 of 34
o No staff time
r Tasks of ad hoc as listed in the staff report page 23 -25 of page 34 r The Committee shall provide quarterly interim reports to the Sebastopol City Council o Ad Hoc coordinate intentionally with other non profits in the community that may be serving the same purpose
r Focus on Grant Funding such as the ATP Grant to be leveraged o Council cautioning ad hoc committee not pre approving any project that might come back to the Council from the ad hoc
Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote. city staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer, Mclewis, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved the following recommendations:
. Dissolve the current ad hoc sub-committee and approve creation of a new sub-committee . Appointed Vice Mayor Zollman to the ad hoc sub-committee to address the recommendations starting in page 23 of 34
. No staff time
. Tasks of ad hoc as listed in the staff report page 23 - 25 of page 34 . The Committee shall provide quarterly interim reports to the Sebastopol City Council . Ad Hoc coordinate intentionally with other non profits in the community that may be serving the same pu rpose
. Focus on Grant Funding such as the ATP Grant to be leveraged . Council cautioning ad hoc committee not pre approving any project that might come back to the Council from the ad hoc
Minute Order Number: 2024-1'36
PUBLIC HEARING(s):
g. Continuation - public Hearing - FY24-25 Street Lighting Assessment District - Conduct a public hearing, Adopt a resolution approving the annual Engineer's Report, confirming the Assessment Diagram, and authorizing the levy of annual assessments for Fiscal Year 2024-25 for the City of Sebastopol Street Lighting SpecialAssessment District (Responsible Department: Administrative Services). This item wos continued from the June 4, 2024 City Council Meeting to this meeting (time/dote specific).
Administrative Services Director Kwong presented the agenda item.
Mayor Rich asked for questions of staff. The Council directed questions to City staff.
Mayor Rich opened the public hearing. The following member(s) of the public spoke:
Kyle
Linda
Robert
Hearing no further comments, Mayor Rich closed the public hearing.
Citv Council Discussion, Direction or Deliberations
The City Council discussed the report.
MOTION:
Councilmember Hinton moved and Councilmember Maurer seconded the motion to Adopt a resolution approving the annual Engineer's Report, confirming the Assessment Diagram, and authorizing the levy of annual assessments for Fiscal Year 2024-25 for the City of Sebastopol Street Lighting Special Assessment District.
Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer, Mclewis, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved resolution approving the annual Engineer's Report, confirming the Assessment Diagram, and authorizing the levy of annual assessments for Fiscal Year 2024-25 for the City of Sebastopol Street Lighting Special Assessment District,
Minute Order Number: 2024-1-37
Resolution Number: 6596-2024
9. Public Hearing - Public Hearing to fulfill the public protest hearing requirements in the Proposition 218 to consider a proposed increase to our City's water and sewer rates to fund its costs for providing safe and reliable water service, including operational costs, along with capital improvement needs of the City's water and sewer utilities and equitably recover from all customers. Upon its conclusion, the City Council shall consider adoption of Resolution Approving the new rates and are proposed to be effective )uly I,2024 (Responsible Department: Toni Bertolero (GHD)/City Manager/Administrative Services).
City Manager Schwartz presented the agenda item.
Kevin Kostiuk, Raftelis, provided a presentation.
Mayor Rich asked for questions of staff. The Council directed questions to City staff and consultant.
Mayor Rich opened the public hearing. The following member(s) of the public spoke:
Patricia
Wash Plus Laundromat
Kyle
Kate
Member of the public
Michael
Robert
Member of the public
Linda
Oliver
Su
Myriah
Mary C.
Hearing no further comments, Mayor Rich closed the public hearing.
Citv Council Discussion . Direction or liberations:
The Council discussed the item
MOTION
Mayor Rich moved and Vice Mayor Zollman seconded the motion to determine the official number of written protestsreceivedand,ifthenumberofvalidprotestvotesisbelow50%,(total protestsreceived44); adoptthe Resolution ADOPTING THE2024 WATER AND WASTEWATER RATE STUDY REPORT, ADOPTING WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES FOR FISCAL YEARS 2024-25 TO FISCAL YEAR 2028- 29, AND MAKING FINDINGS UNDER THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY Amending the Master Fee Schedule for water and wastewater rates; the water and rate schedules under the current proposal of Option 2 Water and Option 2 Wastewater Mayor Rich called for a rollcall vote. City staff conducted a roll callvote' VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich Noes: Councilmember Maurer and Councilmember Mclewis
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved determination that the official number of written protests received and, if the number of valid protest votes is below 5O%, (total protests received 44); adopt the Resolution ADOPTING THE 2024 WATER AND WASTEWATER RATE STUDY REPORT, ADOPTING WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES FOR FISCAL YEARS 2024_25 TO FISCAL YEAR 2028- 29, AND MAKING FINDINGS UNDER THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY Amending the Master Fee Schedule for water and wastewater rates; the water and rate schedules under the current proposal of Option 2 Water and Option 2 Wastewater Minute Order Number: 2024-1'38
Resolution Number: 6599-2024
REGULAR CALENDAR AGENDA ITEMS (DISCUSSION AND/OR ACnONXCONTINUED):
10. Discussion and Consideration of Appointment and Award of Contract - City Attorney or Request for Second lnterview(s) (Responsible Department: Human Resources/Assistant City Manager/City Clerk) Deborah Muchmore, Muchmore Than Consulting, presented the agenda item.
Mayor Rich asked for questions of staff. The Council directed questions to City staff.
Mayor Rich opened the public comment.
Kyle
Admin
Robert
Page I of 78
Linda
Oliver
Linda
Kate
Citv Council iscussion. Direction or Delihrerations
The Council directed that all four attorney firms return for future interviews in Closed Session format City Council Action: Directed staff to arrange to conduct second interviews with all four proposals in a closed session format.
Minute Order Number: 2024-139
11. DiscussionandConsiderationofApprovalof BudgetContinuationResolutiontolncludeContract Continuations for Length of Budget Continuation (Responsible Department: Administrative Services) City Manager Schwartz presented the agenda item.
Mayor Rich asked for questions of staff. The Council directed questions to City staff Mayor Rich opened the public comment.
Kyle
Admin
Council norDe
The Council discussed the budget continuation
MOTION:
Councilmember Mclewis moved and Councilmember Maurer seconded the motion to:
1". Adopt a resolution continuing appropriations that provides spending authority for the fiscal year that begins on July I,2024 and ends on June 30,2025, at the same level and amounts for all funds as approved in the adopted fiscal year 2023-2024 cily budget for sixty (60) days, with an additional 51,500 for Map Your Neighborhood, for a total of 54,161-,500 to ensure the uninterrupted continuation of municipal services;
2. Approval extension of expiring City Contracts for services for an additional two months (July and August 2024);
3. Direct staff not to transfer the S100,000 allocation of funds to the PERS reserve fund at this time.
Added the KW Cleaning Contract
Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer, McLewis, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved:
1,. Adopting a resolution continuing appropriations that provides spending authority for the fiscal year that begins on July L,2024 and ends on June 30,2025, at the same level and amounts for all funds as approved in the
adopted fiscal year 2023-2024 city budget for sixty (60) days, with an additional $1,500 for Map Your Neighborhood, for a total of 54,1-61,500 to ensure the uninterrupted continuation of municipal services;
2. Approved extension of expiring City Contracts for services for an additional two months (July and August 2O2a);
3. Directed staff not to transfer the S100,000 allocation of funds to the PERS reserve fund at this time.
Added the KW Cleaning Contract
Minute Order Number: 2024-1'40
Resolution Number: 6597-2024
12. Reconsideration of City Council Action: Reconsideration of Approval of Resolution and Contract with St.
Vincent de Paul regarding Construction and Operation of the "Gravenstein Commons," located at 850 N Gravenstein Highway by and between the City of Sebastopol and the Society of St. Vincent de Paul District Council of Sonoma, lnc. (Project Homekey) (Requestor: Mayor Rich and Councilmember Maurer/Responsible Department: City Manager)
City Manager Schwartz presented the agenda item
Mayor Rich asked for questions of staff. The Council directed questions to City staff The following Councilmembers made disclosures.
Councilmember Maurer
Mayor Rich
Councilmember Hinton
Mayor Rich opened the public comment. The following Member(s) of the public provided comments Oliver
Su
Calum
Robert
Kate
Admin
Michael
Adrienne
Kathleen
Kyle
Linda
Jim
Vanessa
Mary C
Citv Council Discussion. Di rpction or Deliberations
The Council discussed the application.
MOTION:
Councilmember Maurer moved and Mayor Rich seconded the motion to Approve Resolution and Contract with St.Vincentde Paul regardingConstruction and Operation of the "Gravenstein Commons," located at850 N
Gravenstein Highway by and between the City of Sebastopol and the Society of St. Vincent de Paul District Council of Sonoma, lnc. (Project HomekeY)
o Section 6E Fund staff support
o CitV Manager would be selecting consultant of its own choosing and would make payment arrangements with SVDP
o Contract would be between the City of Sebastopol and the Consultant/Expert Mayor Rich called for a roll callvote. City staff conducted a roll callvote' VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer and Mayor Rich
Noes: Councilmember Mclewis and Vice Mayor Zollman
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved Resolution and Contract with St. Vincent de Paul regarding Construction and Operation of the "Gravenstein Commons," located at 850 N Gravenstein Highway by and between the City of Sebastopol and the Society of St. Vincent de Paul District Council of Sonoma, lnc. (Project Homekey) . Section 6E Fund staff support
. City Manager would be selecting consultant of its own choosing and would make payment arrangements with SVDP
. Contract would be between the City of Sebastopol and the Consultant/Expert Minute Order Number: 2024-t4t
Resolution Number: 6598-2024
Due to Council protocols, the Meeting adjourned at 1O:41-pm €emment dependent upen the subje€t matter er number ef speal(ers:
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lune 1g, 2024 City Council Regular Meeting will be adjourned to the City Council Regular Meeting of Tuesday, July 2,2024 at 6:00 pm, Sebastopol Youth Annex,425 Morris Street.
Mayor Rich adjourned the City Council Meeting of lune 18, 2024 al IO:42 pm to the next City Council Meeting of July 2,2024 al6:00 pm, Sebastopol Youth Annex, 425 Morris Street' lly Submitted
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PLEASE STAND BY FOR REALT]ME CAPTIONS.
CALL]NG THE MEBT]NG TO ORDER AT 6:00 P.M. COULD YOU PLEASE DO THE ROLLCALL? >> THANK YOU. I ROLL BEING CALLED ]
ALL COUNC]L MEMBERS ARE IN ATTENDANCE.
NOW THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG. PLEASE RISE.
EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE NOW GO]NG TO GO TO THE ONE PROCLAI\iIAT]ON WE HAVE. THAT IS A REALLY ]MPORTANT ONE. SO SAD BECAUSE I HAD ONE OF THE LAST MEETINGS WITH THE PERSON WE ARE RECOGN]ZING TONIGHT. TH]S ]S A PROCLAMATION OF THE C]TY OF SEBASTOPOL RECOGNIZ]NG LARRY MCLAUGHL]N UPON HIS RETIREMENT FROM THE C]TY OF SEBASTOPOL AFTER 37 YEARS OF SERV]CE.
WHEREAS HE HAS BEEN A C]TY OF SEBASTOPOL CITY ATTORNEY AND HAS ON THE C]TY'S LEGAL WORK SINCE 1980 , WHERE HAS HE HAS ATTENDED ALMOST EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEET]NG SINCE 1985. HE HAS BEEN APPOINTED AND THE CITY ATTORNEY SINCE 201-2, CURRENTLY THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL CITY ATTORNEY AND WTLL BE RETIRING-JUNE 30, 2024. WHEREAS HE HAS MANAGED TO LEAVE THE CITY AS BOTH C]TY MANAGER AND C]TY ATTORNEY FILLING TWO ESSENTIAL ROLES FOR THE TOWN AND WHEREAS HIS ABIL]TY TO MAINTAIN THE CITY'S POSITIVE FORWARD COURSE TN THE FACE OF MANY CHALLENGING ATTEMPTS WE FACED HAS BEEN ]N LARGE PART TO THE STEADY HAND OF THIS MAN WHO HAVE ALWAYS WITHOUT FA]L KEPT THE NEEDS OF SEBASTOPOL FOREMOST IN H]S M]ND AND HEART. AND WHEREAS LARRY HAS EXHIBITED E,XTRAORDINARY LEADERSH]P IN THE CITY'S RESPONSE TO PROVID]NG SHELTERS DURING THE 201.'7 FIRE, CITY EVACUAT]ON, AND C]TY POWER OUTAGE ]N 2019' AND A FLOOD EVENT OF 2019. AND WHERE ]S UPON ASSUMING THE CITY MANAGER DUT]ES IN 2012 LARRY REORGAN]ZE THE F]NANCE DEPARTMENT ]NTO THE CURRENT ADM]NISTRAT]VE SERV]CES DEPARTMENT AND WORK WITH THE CITY COUNC]L TO REVERSE THE THEN EX]STTNG F]NANC]AL DEFIC]T. WHEREAS , AS C]TY MANAGER' LARRY HAS BUILT CONNECT]ONS AND RELATIONSHIPS I HAVE FACILITATED TRUST AND CONFIDENCE AND CONTRIBUTED IN A MEAN]NGFUL WAY TO HIS SUCCESSES AS CITY MANAGER. THEY ARE AS WE ARE HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS SPEC]AL RECOGN]TION TO LARRY MCLAUGHLIN HIM TO HONOR H]M FOR HIS D]STINGU]SHED A 37 YEAR CAREER AND WHEREAS THE CTTY OF SEBASTOPOL W]SHES TO EXPRESS ITS S]NCERE APPRECIAT]ON TO LARRY FOR HIS DED]CATION TO THE OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE OF HIS DUT]ES DURING H]S TENURE. I WHEREAS HIS PROCLAMAT]ON ]S PRESENTED TO LARRY TO SBRVE AS A REM]NDER THAT ALTHOUGH HE IS RETIRING HE WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED AS A VALUED EMPLOYEE DED]CATED TO BOTH H]S POSITION AND OUR COMMUNITY. HIS PROPERTY HAPPENS TO BE WHERE P]CKLES THE PIGLET WAS CAPTURED. IIM JUST SAY]NG. THEREFORE BE ]T RESOLVED AND ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CTTY OF SEBASTOPOL AND OUR CITIZENS ]' MARY RICH' DO HEREBY PRESENT TH]S PROCLAMAT]ON AS A TEST]MONIAL TO THE FAITHFUL DEDICATED SERV]CE HE HAS PERFORMED FOR THE PAST 37 YEARS. WITH OUR BEST W]SHES FOR HIS CONTINUED SUCCESS AND HAPP]NESS ]N THE FUTURE. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED W]TH THE C]TY OF SEBASTOPOL CITY COUNCIL COMPARED JUNE 3oth, 2024 AS FOR THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL. IN WITNESS THEREOF I HEREUNTO SET MY HAND ON THE GREAT SEAL OF THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL THIS 18th DAY OF JUNE, 2024. THANK YOU. YOU ARE GOING TO TALK. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES FOR THIS FABULOUS GUY. LET'S HEAR ITf LARRY MCLAUGHLIN. >> TN
DEFERENCE TO THE PUBLIC COUNCIL AND STAFF I AM DEFINITELY NOT MAKING A SPEECH TONIGHT. ] MADE ONE BACK IN DECEMBER ANYWAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A COUPLE TH]NGS. IT IS AMAZING TO ME WHEN ] TH]NK ABOUT IT THAT ]IVE BBEN PART OF EVERY S]NGLE COUNCIL MEETING S]NCE 1985. I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY
HIT HOME UNTIL TODAY WHEN I SUDDENLY REALIZE HOW LONG THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN. THAT TO ME ]S ASTOUND]NG. I WANTED TO THANK MY FRIENDS AND NE]GHBORS -- FOR BR]NGING MY W]FE W]TH H]M TONIGHT HERE. AND I WOULD L]KE TO INTRODUCE MARTHA TO EVERYBODY. MARTHA, COULD YOU PLEASE WAVE YOUR HAND AT LEAST.
THBRE SHE IS. >>
APPREC]ATE IT. >> ] DONIT THINK IT IS REALLY KNOW THAT MUCH TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T L]VE THROUGH IT HOW MUCH OF AN ]MPACT THERE IS ON FAM]LY LTFE BY VERY LENGTHY PUBLTC SERVICE. EVERY THOUSAND HOURS BY MY COUNT' ] AM NOT GOOD AT MATH AS YOU KNOW -- WOULD OVER 1OOO COUNC]L MEET]NGS I'VE BEEN AT.
THAT ]S ASTONISH]NG R]GHT THERE. BUT THE FULL CITY EVACUAT]ON/ THE POWER
OUTAGE, MARTHA WAS THERE THE ENTIRE WEEK RUNNING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE F]REHOUSE ]N C]TY HALL WHICH WAS EMPTY AT THE TIME. FOLLOWED THEREAFTER BY THE PANDEMIC WHEN SUDDENLY ] WAS OCCUPYING THE END OF THE DINING ROOM TABLE AND MANAG]NG THE CITY FROM THE D]NTNG ROOM. I HAD
ASSURED HER PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS NO WAY I EVER NEEDED A HOME OFFTCE BECAUSE OUR HOUSE IS FIVE MINUTES FROM CITY HALL. WHO WOULD NEED A HOME OFFICE. RUNNING THE CTTY FROM THE DINING ROOM TABLE. THINGS LTKE THAT 1S REALLY QU]TE AN TMPACT SO SHE HAS BEEN A TROOPER ALL THESE YEARS. MARTHA' I LOVE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. I HAVE NOT MUCH ELSE TO SAY. ] HAVE BEEN HERE SO LONG WITH THE C]TY THAT I DISCOVERED THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BACK WHEN ] WAS DO]NG IT. THEY MAY BE MOVED ON. SOME OF THEM MY FAVOR]TE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYORS ARE NO LONGER WITH US. PEOPLE THAT I WORKED WITH CLOSELY. ] HAVE GREAT MEMORIES OF ALL THE T]MES I WORK WITH ALL THOSE IND]VIDUALS AND ] WANT TO SAY TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THIS MAYOR THAT IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR WORKING W]TH YOU ALL. ] APPREC]ATE YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE C]TY COUNCILS I'VE WORKED WTTH OVER THE YEARS. A GREAT CITY TO WORK FOR. WE DID A LOT OF THINGS I TH]NK WERE ]MPORTANT AT THE T]ME WE DID THEM. THEY MAY NOT BE KNOWN NOW BY EVERYBODY/ BUT ] THINK THEY WERE VERY SATISFYING AND ]MPORTANT AND ] AM GLAD AND HONORED ] WAS ABLE TO BE PART OF THAT. AGAIN.
BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY LONG AGENDA TONIGHT, ] DONTT WANT TO SAY TOO MUCH ELSE ON THAT, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DON'T EXPECT TO SEE ME ANYTTME SOON AT ANY COUNCIL MEET]NGS HEREAFTER.
THANK YOU, LARRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CUPCAKES AND COOKTES. HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANT THEM, BUT THERE YOU GO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCHI LARRY' IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE, AND ]N H]S USUAL GRAC]OUS WAY IS RECOGN]ZING WE HAVE A VERY FULL AGENDA TONIGHT SO WE WILL MOVE ON W]TH THE AGENDA TO STATEMENTS OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST. LOOKING TO FELLOW COUNCILMEMBERS. ANY STATEMENTS OF CONFL]CT OF INTEREST? DON'T SEE ANYONE. WE W]LL MOVE ON TO PUBL]C COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. COULD YOU PLEASE MANNERS OF OURS?
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ]TEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. YOU HAVE TWO M]NUTES TO DO PUBL]C COMMENTS. WE WILL DO UP TO 20 MINUTES IN TH]S FIRST SEGMENT. IF YOU
DONTT GET TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE END OF THE MEETTNG. THE PROCEDURE IS ] GO TO ]N CHAMBERS FIRST FOR PUBL]C' AND THEN OUT TO ZOOM. CHECKTNG TO SEE IF THERE IS ANYONE ]N CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LTKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AN ]TEM NOT ON THE AGENDA.
HI. ] WOULD L]KE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WOODMARK. ]F YOU RECALL THE LAST TTME THAT ] SPOKE TO COUNC]L ABOUT WOODMARK ] WAS MAK]NG COMMENTS ]N
REGARD TO NOISE COMPLA]NTS, GENERAL NE]GHBORHOOD D]STURBANCES ' AND LACK OF CITY MANAGEMENT OVER THAT PROJECT. AS WELL AS LACK OF COMMUNTCATION BY THE DEVELOPER TO CITIZENS WHO HAVE THIS TYPE OF COMPLA]NT. IF YOU RECALL THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH WOODMARK OPERATING TAR OUTS]DE OUR CITYIS NOISE ORDINANCE. MICAH 4:30 IN THE MORNING. I WENT AND TALKED TO THEM. I HAVE A SMALL CHILD TRYING TO SLEEP ]N THE OPERATTNG LARGE MACHINERY, ALARMS GO]NG OFF. THE RESULT OF THAT, 1 SPOKE TO THE CITY ABOUT THAT. THE C]TY'S RESPONSE WAS HERE ]S AN EMA]L ADDRESS, AND TELEPHONE NUMBER FOR THE DEVELOPER. MULT]PLE ATTEMPTS TO REACH OUT AND NO RESPONSE. SO ] CAME TO THE COUNCIL AND, AGAIN, ] GOT THE YOU COULD ALWAYS REACH BACK OUT TO US AND WE W]LL TRY TO DO TH]S. THE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE, BUT REALLY THERE ]S NO ACT]ON BY COUNC]L, NO ACTION BY THE CITY AND THERE HASNTT BEEN ANY CHANGE IN PRACT]CE. REGULARLY EACH WEEK ONE TO TWO TIMES A DAY WILL BE OPERATING THEIR VEHTCLES ]N THE CENTER LANE. PARKED IN THE CENTER LANE.
OPERAT]NG THE VEH]CLE IDLING FOR 30 MINUTES WAITING FOR THE 7: OO T]ME WH]CH THEY ARE ALLOWED ONTO THE SITE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT AND LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE OF IT SUGGESTS THAT THE DISRUPT]ON TO THE PEDESTR]AN WALKWAY AND ANY SORT OF VEHICLE TRAFFIC W]LL BE MANAGED BOTH IN CONJUNCTTON WITH THE CITY AS WELL AS BE]NG AS MIN]MALLY DTSRUPTIVE AS POSSIBLE. YET TH]S DEVELOPMBNT IS GOING ON FOR SO LONG AND THERE ]S STILL NO S]DEWALK THERE. ANY SORT OF SAFETY REASON TO NOT HAVE A S]DEWALK THERE ]S LONG GONE. THOSE BU]LDINGS ARE FULLY DEVELOPED. BUT WE HAVENIT PRIORITTZED RETURNING PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY TO THE STREET. ]T ]S MY HOME THE C]TY -_ >> THAT TS TWO M]NUTES. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU FOR PUBL]C COMMENT.
NEXT I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM. ADMIN, COULD YOU UNMUTE' PI,EASE? I W]LL REMIND THE AUDIENCE ON THOSE PRESENCE ON ZOOM TO PLEASE DON'T RESPOND TO PUBL]C COMMENT, LET PEOPLE'S PUBL]C COMMENT STAND ON ITS OWN.
THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. WE ARE GOING ON TO ANOTHER PUBL]C COMMENT --MAYOR' COULD YOU GIVE AN OVERSIGHT QU]CKLY ? WE DO NOT RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
CORRECT. WE DO NOT RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ]F THERE IS SOMEONE IN STAFF TO RESPOND QUICKLY WE WILL OTHERWISE WE WILL REACH OUT TO THE ]NDIVIDUAL.
OKAY. AM ] GOOD TO GO HERE?
YOU ARE GOOD TO GO. CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
YES. I CAN. THANK YOU,
GO AHEADI PLEASE'
r HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY. THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE WOULD ]T BE A CONFL]CT OF ]NTEREST OR ANY MEMBER OF SEBASTOPOLIS COUNCfL TO
SIMULTANEOUSLY REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF OUR CITY AND THE TNTERESTS OF AN ORGAN]ZATION ATTEMPTING TO ]NTIMIDATE OUR C]TY, THE SECOND QUESTION ]S ]F NOT COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLA]N WHY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT ] WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS HI. JUST A GENERAL PO]NT IN PUBL]C COMMENTS ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. ] HAVE LISTENED TO SOME OF THE BUDGET MEET]NGS. I AM NOT StrEING MUCH EFFORT TO DO ANYTH]NG OTHER THAN SAVE MONEY AND GO F]SHING FOR GRANTS. BASICALLY TRY TO STAY AFLOAT AS A CITY. IN D]RE STRAITS FINANC]ALLY. NOT DOTNG WELL
]N THE WESTERN WORLD ECONOMICALLY. NEED TO BE VERY FOCUSED I THINK ON BASICALLY BRING]NG THE TORTOISE BACK ]NTO THE CITY SO WE HAVE SALES TAX COMING IN, HOPEFULLY GETTING HOTELS BUILT, ALL OF THE BAS]C STUFF WH]CH MEANS THE PEOPLE THAT L]VE HERE DO NOT HAVE TO PAY SO MUCH FOR WATER AND RESOURCES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. ]T ]S A'HUGE PROBLEM. EVERYTHTNG IS GETT]NG SO EXPENSIVE HERE. I AM NOT SEEN ENOUGH EFFORTS. ] KNOW --TS DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WITH THE LIM]TED FUNDS SHE HAS ANIS TRYING TO STAY AFLOAT. WE REALLY HAVE TO MAKE A LOT MORE EFFORT TO BE INTELLIGENT ABOUT HOW TO ENTICE PEOPLE TO COME AND SPEND MONEY HERE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I W]LL GO BACK TO ZOOM. L]NDA' CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? THANK YOU, ],]NDA. GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AS ] TOLD HER THE OTHER DAY WHEN I INAUD]BLE ] HE ]S A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW.
I INAUDIBLE ] SOME OF THE THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW HE DID WH]CH SADLY SEBASTOPOL I INAUD]BLE ] SEVERAL YEARS AGO THERE WAS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO NOT]CED A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE DEAD AND DYING AND HAD CANCER AT THE -_ AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPLEX. THEY GOT TOGETHER AND SIGN THE PETITTON AND CAME TO THE C]TY. THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE CELL TOWER BEHIND WHAT WAS THE HOSPITAL ETTHER REMOVED OR RA]SED OR SOMETH]NG SO THAT THEY WERE NOT BEING IRRAD]ATED SO MUCH. THERE ST]LL ]S AN AMOUNT OF CANCER AND DEATH THERE.
ANYWAY, LARRY AND THE C]TY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME RESPONDED PROPERLY. HE CONTACTED, AS I RECALL' THE LAWYER _-
YOU HAVE 25 SECONDS
ANYWAY, I INAUD]BLE ] WE ALSO HAD AN ORDINANCE BANNING SMART METERS FOR ABOUT A MINUTE. BUT THE C]TY COUNCTL AND CURRENT LEADERSHIP IS TOTALLY REVERSTNG ALL THE PROGRESS THAT WAS MADE -- >> LINDAI THAT IS TWO MTNUTES' THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS. IF THERE IS ANYONE ]N CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBL]C COMMENT FOR AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? SEEING THEN I W]LL GO BACK TO ZOOM. CATHERINE' couIJD You UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? HI, CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER? YES, >> GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU. WE HAVE AN ELECTION COMING UP ]N NOVEMBER. VOTERS SHOULD START THINK]NG ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT AN --]N ELECTED OFF]C]ALS. VOTERS SHOULD START REFLECTTNG ON WHETHER SEBASTOPOL IS BETTER OR WORSE THAN ]T WAS FIVE YEARS AGO. ARE THE PACK THAT SPARKS BETTER, TOWNSQUARE MORE PLEASANT' ROADS ]MPROV]NG, BUSINESS IS THR]V]NG, HOW IS OUR BUDGET' INFRASTRUCTURE.
THESE ARE THE QUEST]ONS TO START ASKING NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ELECTED OFF]C]ALS WHO LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES INSTEAD OF MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES OVER AND OVER AGA]N. FOR ]NSTANCE, IT WAS A B]G M]STAKE FOR THE PREV]OUS COUNCIL FOR LET THE COUNTY TO TAKE SEBASTOPOL'S ONLY HOTEL FOR HOMELESS HOUSING AS IT ROBBED OUR CITY OF ]MPORTANT REVENUE AND ROB SEBASTOPOL --LEFT SEBASTOPOL ]N F]NANCIAL CR]SIS. ]T IS GOOD FOR HOPKINS HE DOESNTT LIVE HERE DOESNIT HAVE ANY HOMELESS ]N HER COMMUN]TY. ]T WAS NOT GOOD FOR SEBASTOPOL. RISE AND SHINE WAS ANOTHER BIG MISTAKE. VOTED TO APPROVE THE PRODUCT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE H]GHEST PER CAP]TA HOMELESS HOUSING WITH -- RISE AND SHINE WAS A DISASTER. BARELY HOUSED ANY RES]DENTS. ]T WAS SO MISMANAGED THAT EVEN THE RESIDENTS WHO GOT A TWO YEAR
ALL EXPENSES PA]D VACATION COMPLAINED ABOUT ]T ]N THE PRESS DEMOCRAT' THANKS TO RISE AND SH]NE WE NOW HAVE AN EXPENSIVE LAWSUIT AND RV ENCAMPMENTS. I WOULD LIKE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE WHEN CONST]TUENTS SPEAK THEY TEND TO BE RIGHT. THEY WERE R]GHT ABOUT SMART METERS. THEY WERE R]GHT ABOUT RISE AND SHTNE' AND THEY WERE RIGHT ABOUT ELDERBERRY COMMENTS. ALL THREE HAD GRAVE FTNANC]AL AND CONCEPTUAL COSTS FOR SEBASTOPOL. ]S SEBASTOPOL A BETTER PLACE TO L]VE THAN ]T WAS FIVE YEARS AGO? I TH]NK EVERYONE CAN AGREE THE ANSWER ]S NO' WE NEED NEW LEADERSH]P THAT PUTS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE I INAUD]BLE ] THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS' IF THERE TS ANYONE TN CHAMBERS? SEEING THEN I W]LL GO BACK TO ZOOM. MAR]A' coulD you UNMUTE. PLEASE. >> yES. HELLO. I JUST WANTED TO HOP ON QUICKLY WTTH SOME GOOD NEWS. CHAMBERS HAS BEEN WORKING PRETTY CLOSELY WTTH SONOMA
COUNTY OVER THE PAST YEARS AND THEY GRANTED US ON FOR NEW FLOORTNG AND FURN]TURE ]N THE CHAMBER. DEMO IS DONE AS OF TODAY AND NEW FLOORS WILL BE GOING INTO THE V]S]T]NG CENTER THURSDAY AND FRIDAY., OFTEN TIMES PEOPLEIS FIRST IMPRESSION OF SEBASTOPOL WE GET TOUR]STS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY POPP]NG IN THE VISITOR CENTER TO GET INFORMAT]ON AND MAPS AND GTVTNG THEM A REALLY GOOD FIRST IMPRESS]ON WITH A NICE, CLEAN VIS]TOR CENTER AND NEW FLOOR W]LL BE REALLY EXCITING. ONCE THAT ]S DONE WE W]LL PLAN A LTTTLE OPEN HOUSE AND INVITE YOU ALL TO COME CHECK IT OUT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT ] W]LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS ONE MORE TIME. SEE NONE I WILL GO BACK TO ZOOM ONE MORE TIMB. SEEING NO HANDS RATSED AND NO PHONES OFF THE HOOK PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL D]D NOT ALLOW SEBASTOPOL ]NTO THE PURCHASED IN FACT THE COUNTY PURCHASED IN THE CITY OT SEBASTOPOL HAD NO INPUT ON THAT DECISION. WE WERE NOT PARTY TO THE NEGOT]ATIONS. WE WERE INFORMED. SECONDLY ] WOULD L]KE TO INVITE OUR CTTY ATTORNEY BECAUSE HE IS STILL ON BOARD OUR C]TY ATTORNEY/ TO G]VE US A REALLY BR]EF RESPONSE TO THE CONCERN ] TH]NK ]S FOCUSED ON C]TY COUNC]L MEMBERS EXPRESSING OPINTONS ON AN ]TEM THAT IS UPCOMING ON AN AGENDA' SOMETH]NG WE ALL DO. BUT ]F YOU COULD G]VE A PUBLIC SENSE OF LEGALITY I WOULD APPREC]ATE IT. >> ASSUMING THAT COMMENTS MIGHT RELATE TO THE ST' VINCENT DEPAUL HOME KEY ]TEM LATER TN THE MAJOR _-AGENDA' I TOOK TT AS A HYPOTHETICAL QUEST]ON. OBVIOUSLY THE ANSWER TO THAT WOULD BE A LAWYER LIKE ANSWER OF ]T WOULD DEPEND ON THE FACTS. CONFL]CT OF ]NTEREST CASES HAVE TO BE SCRUT]N]ZED ACCORDING TO THE FACTS OF EACH ONE OF THE CASES. MIGHT HAVE A FURTHER COMMENT WHEN YOU REACH THE ST. VINCENT DCPAUL ITEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK ME AGAIN AT THAT TIME.
GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT ANSWER. THE FINAL ]TEM ] WOULD L]KE TO MENT]ON IS THAT WE HAVE A FULL CALENDAR TON]GHT. WE ]NTEND ON GETT]NG THROUGH ALL OF THESE ]TEMS. TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ]S SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE FORESEE ON A PART]CULAR ITEM WE MIGHT MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO OUR GENERAL RULE WHICH IS TWO MINUTES PER PUBL]C COMMENT. I DO NOT SEE THAT HAPPENTNG GIVEN THE GROUP OF PEOPLE _- THE NUMBERS IN THE ROOM NOW' BUT I WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. WE MIGHT BE IN A S]TUAT]ON WHERE I HAVE TO ASK FOR A SHOW OF HANDS AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS WE M]GHT L]MIT IT FROM TWO M]NUTES TO ONE M]NUTE, AGAIN, ] DO NOT FORESEE THAT HAPPENING' BUT T WANT TO ALERT EVERYONE TO THAT. OUR NEXT ]TEM IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR- T W]LL
READ THE ITEMS OFF ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THERE ARE SIX ITEMS. I WILL NOT READ THEM VERBATIM HAVING BEEN G]VEN DIRECTION BY OUR VERY TOGETHER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ] W]L], APPROACH ]T W]TH TITLES. ITEM ONE/ APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MEET]NG MINUTES, SPEC]AL MEETING OF JUNE 4th' 2024. TTEM
TWO, APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MBETING MINUTES FOR A REGULAR MEETING OF JUNE 4th, 2024. ]TEM NUMBER THREE| APPROVAL OF RESOLUTTON CALLTNG AND GIV]NG NOT]CE OF A GENERAL MUN]CIPAL ELECTION TO BE HELD ON TUESDAY' NOVEMBER 5th, 2024. AND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION ADOPTING REGULATTONS FOR CANDIDATES FOR ELECTED OFF]CE PERTAINING TO THE CAND]DATE STATEMENT FOR QUALIFICATIONS AND REQUIRING EACH CANDIDATE FILING A CAND]DATE STATEMENT OF QUAL]FICATIONSI PAY IN ADVANCE TO THE LOCAL AGENCY AN EST]MATED PRORATED SHARE, $goo. yES, THAT WAS A SHORT FORM OF THE ITEM. NUMBER FOUR' APPROVAL TO DIRECT CITY ATTORNEY TO REVIEW THE CONFLICT OF ]NTEREST CODE.
TTEM FIVE, APPROVAL OF ACCEPTANCE OF IMPROVEMENTS FOR PUBLIC USE AND AUTHORIZ]NG STAFF TO FILE A NOT]CE OF COMPLETTON FOR PARQUET STREET WATER AND SEWER REPLACEMENT AND SLURRY SEAL, ]TEM NUMBER SIXI ENHANCED INFRASTRUCTURE F]NANCE DISTRICT AWARD OF CONTRACT TO CONSULTANT. THOSE ARE OUR SIX CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. I WILL ASK MY FELLOW COUNC]LMEMBERS TF ANYONE WANTS TO PULL ANY OF THOSE SIX ITEMS OFF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. SEE NONE I WILL ASK ASS]STANT CITY MANAGER TO GO OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THANK YOU, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR CONSENT CALENDAR ]TEMS. TF YOU WOULD L]KE TO MAKE A PUBL]C COMMENT ] WTLL GO TO CHAMBERS VERSE. SEE NONE I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM. LINDA| coULD you UNMUTE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD WrrH YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENTI LINDA'
T HAVE A LOT OF QUEST]ONS ABOUT THAT L]KE HOW MUCH D]D IT COST' WHAT ]S THE FOOTAGE OF ]T, THE MATERIALS USED/ THE EXPECTED DURABILITY OF THAT, WAS A PUT OUT FOR COMPET]TIVE BID AND SOME ON AND SO FORTH. SO I WOULD L]KE TO HAVE THAT REMOVED. ALSO S]X. THIS THING ABOUT EET FD' ]T SCARES ME TO DEATH. ]T MAKES ME TH]NK YOU WILL DO ANOTHER WIRELESS SMART WE -- METER THING. AS ] UNDERSTAND THAT YOU W]LL BE TAKING 252 OE THE PROPERTY TAXES AND OBLTGATING THEM 35f 40 YEARS TO BE PUT IN A POT OF MONEY OVER WHICH WE HAVE NO CONTROL. ]N MY M]ND WHAT WE DID WITH THE $5.6 M]LLION FOR THE WATER METERS WE ARE INDEBTED TO FOR 15 YEARS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH -_ DIDNIT KNOW THEN WHAT YOU ARE DO]NG JUST LIKE I THINK YOU DONIT KNOW NOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. BUT YOU WERE SOLD ]T --
LINDA| THIS IS YOUR WARNTNG. IF YOU COULD FOCUS ON THE SUBJECT MATTER YOUR
COMMENTS ARE VERY USEFUL ON THE SUBJECT MATTER RATHER THAN PERSONAL ATTACKS.
I AM TALKING ON THE SUBJECT MATTER, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
IS ]S AN OBLIGATION, NUMBER SIX? I TH]NK IT NEEDS TO BE POLLED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION SO THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU ARE DO]NG SO THAT YOU DO NOT OBLIGATE THE CITY, AGAIN, FOR 35 TO 40 YEARS FOR 25% OF rTS PROPERTY TAXES INTO A POOL OVER WHICH WE HAVE NO CONTROL.
LINDA. THATIS TWO M]NUTES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT ] WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. IF ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBL]C COMMENT?
TH]S ONE'S REALLY QU]CK/ THE WAY THE CITY MANAGES ITS MINUTES HAS BEEN CHANGED MULTIPLE T]MES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. MOST RECENTLY WE HAVE BEEN
GETTING MEETING TRANSCR]PTS WH]CH IS AN IMPROVEMENT. VERY WONDERFUL BEING ABLE TO TRAIN NCA] ON THE STATEMENTS OF THIS COUNCIL AND IND]V]DUAL MEMBERS OT THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL TOOL. HOWEVERI ONE OF THE
ISSUES IS THAT THE WAY THOSE TRANSCRIPTS ARE BEING TRANSCRIBED TNTO THE OFFICIAL LETTERHEAD OF THE CITY AS PART OF THE M]NUTES ENDS UP GO]NG ]NTO THE HEADER AND FOOTER. AS A RESULT OF A GOING ]NTO THE HEADER AND FOOTER
ANY SORT OF --
]'M SORRY I HAVE TO INTERRUPT. TS THIS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR TTEM? ]N THE CONSENT CALENDAR IS MINUTES AND I AM COMMENTING ON THE MINUTES AS THEY ARE PRESENTED AS PART OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. GOOD DOCUMENTATION WHICH SHOULD BE ACCESS]B],E. THERE ARE FEDERAL MANDATES AROUND ACCESS]BILITY OF DOCUMENTATION THAT SHOULD BE MACHINE-READABLE. THINGS LIKE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VISUAL ]MPAIRMENT THAT W]LL NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A SCREEN READER TO READ THESE TH]NGS. IN THE MIDDLE OF TRANSCRIPT READING
YOUIRE GETTING PAGE NUMBERS, AGENDA ITEM NUMBERS IN RED FONT ON TOP OF
BLACK FONT ON TOP OF WHITE BACKGROUND, THAT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE AND IT IS NOT MACHINE-READABLE. I AM HOP]NG WE CAN HAVE A TEMPLATE WE USE FOR MINUTES AND OTHER AGENDA ITEMS IN GENERAL THAT ]S ACCESS]BLE AND MACHINEREADABLE SO THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE VISUALLY ]MPA]RED CAN USE A SCREEN READER TO HAVE ACCESS TO OUR C]TY DOCUMENTAT]ON. THANKS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM. ]F YOU WOULD L]KE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS PLEASE RA]SE YOUR HAND. GET MY ATTENTION. SEE NONE I W]LL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS ONE MORE TIME. SEE NONE PUBLIC COMMENT ]S CLOSE. SW]MM]NG THANK YOU VERY MUCH' I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE PUBL]C IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS YOU DONIT GET ANSWERED THE YoU NEED ANSWERS TO EMAiL MGOURLEYGC]TYOFSEBASTOPOL.GOV.
DOCUMENTS RELATED TO ANY OF THESE MEETINGS, ANY OF OUR CITY MEETINGS ARE AVAILABLE AT CITY HALL. ANYONE CAN GO TO CITY HALL AND LOOK AT PAPER COP]ES AND GET PAPER COPIES PR]NTED FOR THEM IF THEY NEED THOSE. THE EIFD , VERY USEFUL COMMENTS AND WILL BE ADDRESSING ALL OF THE E]FD DETAILS LATER. AS A COMMENTOR POINTED OUTI THERE IS A LOT YET TO STILL BE DETERMINED, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL W]LL BE ADDRESSING ALL OF THOSE VARIABLES AT LATER MEETINGS AS THE EIFD PROCESS IS FILLED OUT. I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
I MOVED TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS.
SECOND.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
SO MOVED BY ZOLLMAN, SECOND BY HTNTON TO APPROVE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH SIX. I ROLL BEING CALLED ] PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE NOW AT TNFORMAT]ONAL ]TEMS' BUT THERE ARE NONE FOR TONIGHT. SO WE WILL BE GO]NG ON WITH REGULAR CALENDAR. WE HAVE TTEMS SEVEN THROUGH NINE ON THE REGULAR CALENDAR. WE WILL MARCH RIGHT THROUGH THEM HOPEFULLY. THE FIRST ]S ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, CONTINUAT]ON -- TIM SORRY' THIS IS A CONTINUED ITEM. CONSIDERAT]ON OF RECOMMENDED ACTIONS FROM THB LIBRARY AD HOC COMMITTEE. WHO IS PRESENT]NG ON TH]S ITEM? THAT WOULD BE A VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN. PLEASE, ON ALL OF THESE ITEMS WE ARE ADDRBSSING
TONIGHT WE HAVE NO MORE THAN 30 MINUTES ON EACH TTEM SO ] WILL ASK EVERYONE TO L]MIT ]N TERMS OF THE IN]TIAL COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL OR FROM WHOEVER ]S PRESENTING 10 MINUTES SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THE PUBL]C COMMENT --THAT WE HAVE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON EACH ITEM. GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU. YES, THIS WILL BE A BRIEF PRESENTATION. ] FIRST AND FOREMOST WANT TO THANK ALL THE PART]CIPANTS OVER THE LAST YEAR WHO CAME EVERY MONTH ON TIME AND CONTRIBUTED TO THIS PROCESS AT THE L]BRARY AD HOC. AS A REFRESHER OF WHY ]T ]S THAT THE COUNC]L AND I FEEL VERY GRATEFUL TO FOLLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ALLOWING THIS AD HOC TO BE FORMED. AS A 1OOO FOOT OVERVIEW, WHY DOES ANY OF THIS MATTER? THE ]T MATTERS BECAUSE THTS IS NOT A COUNTY INSTITUTION. EACH OF THE L]BRAR]ES THROUGH WHAT ]S CALLED A JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT CREATED CENTRAL L]BRARY ADMINISTRATION. AS A RESULT OF THAT THROUGH THIS BUILD]NGS THEMSELVES PR]MAR]LY ARE THE RESPONSIBIL]TY OF EACH OF THE CIT]ES. ONCE THE CITY IS PUT TOGETHER A BUTLDING THEN CENTRAL L]BRARY PUTS THE STAFF ]N AND CREATES THE N]CE COUCHES YOU EXPERIENCE IN ALL THOSE TYPES OF TH]NGS. WHAT CAUSED LONGTIME LIBRARY SUPPORTERS TO BRING THE ISSUE TO COUNCIL ]S THE FACT THE CENTRAL LIBRARY ADMIN]STRATION SA]D WE CANNOT G]VE YOU MORE STAFF BECAUSE YOU ARE BU]LDING TH]S TOO SMALL. WE CANNOT CREATE A B]GGER BU]LDTNG W]THOUT SOME EFFORT TO F]GURE OUT HOW TO BU]LD A B]GGER BU]LDING. TH]S CATCH_22, NEEDTNG A BU]LDING FOR MORE STAFT SO THEY CAN PROVIDE MORE QUAL]TY SERVICES WE ALL LOVE. DURING
THIS LAST YEAR WE PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND I HAVE TO GIVE A BTG SHOUT OUT TO L]BRARY COMMISSIONER W]THOUT WH]CH WE HAVE NOT HAD THE EXTENS]VE
REPORT YOU ALL HAVE BEFORE YOU AND YOU HAVE HAD BEFORE YOU FORETELL A COUPLE WEEKS. 22 PAGES. A LOT OF DETAILED S]TES. IF YOU GO THROUGH IT ANYWHERE LEG I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS | --I ALSO HAVE TO THINK THE FORMER MAYOR WHO ALSO SERVES AS OUR REPRESENTAT]VE ON --COMMITTEE. SHE PUT IN A LOT OF WORK AS THE LOCAL NONPROF]TS THAT VALUE THE SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDED TO OUR LIBRARY. THE H]GHL]GHTS I WANT TO MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD SAYI WELL, A L]BRARY, THAT'S NICE, BUT WE ARE IN A BIG DEFIC]T SO ] DO WE REALLY CARE. THE STATISTICS POINTED OUT ]N PAGE NINE OF 34 THAT STATES AND CITES THE REASON WHY LIBRARIES ARE ECONOMIC DR]VERS. EVERYONE INVESTED ]N LIBRARY EARNS BETWEEN TWO AND $10 WH]CH A COMMON RETURN BETWEEN THREE AND SIX DOLLARS. FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE HERE A L]BRARY IS A BlG DRAW. WE ARE THE TH]RD BUS]EST L]BRARY ]N THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AND IT ]S BECAUSE WE DONIT JUST SERV]CE SEBASTOPOL. WE SERV]CE MOST OF THE WEST COUNTY. EXCEPT FOR THE -- L]BRARY AND SHORTER HOURS ]N FOR SALE. IT IS A BIG ECONOM]C DRIVER.
EVEN IF YOU DON'T CARE FROM A HUMANITARIAN POINT OF V]EW ] HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND IT DOES PROV]DE ECONOM]C SUPPORT AND ENTHUSIASM FROM OUR COMMUN]TY WHICH 15 A B]G TH]NG NOW BECAUSE R]GHT NOW WE ARE ]N A FINANCIAL HORRIBLE S]TUATION HERE. AS FAR AS THE SOCIAL SERVICES BENEF]TS OF THIS' THE ASSOCIATED LETTERS ]NCLUDED IN THE PACKET ARE FROM PROMINENT PEOPLE IN ouR COMMUNITY. DR. JASON CUNNINGHAM WHO PROVTDES' AS I'VE LEARNED RECENTLY/ ALL OF OUR --MOST OF OUR PHYSICAL HEALTH SERV]CES ALONG W]TH MENTAL HEALTH SERV]CES FOR OUR AREA. HE'S TSSUED A LETTER STRONGLY ENCOURAG]NG OUR COUNCIL TO CONTINUE THE WORK THE L]BRARY TO GO BEYOND THE STAGE WE ARE AT NOW TO A FEAS]B]I]TY STUDY WHEN HOPEFULLY TH]S COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO BLESS THE CREATION OF A NBW AD HOC TO CONT]NUB WITH THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY ]NVESTED IN PROV]DING SOC]AL SERVICES FOR OUR COMMUN]TIES SO THAT WE CAN D]G DEEP W]TH ALL OF THE PARTNERS TO FTGURE OUT MORE OF HOW WE CAN PULL SOMETHING L]KE THIS TOGETHER. PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THAT. THE BOARD CHAIR OF OUR HEALTH ACT]ON CHAPTER HAS ALSO WROTE A
LETTER, ALSO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ONES TO IGNORE, BUT -- ALSO A LETTER, AS
WELL. THE L]BRARY D]RECTOR, CENTRAL ADMIN]STRATION' ALSO A LETTER ENCOURAGTNG US TO CONT]NUE THIS WORK. SO ] AM HOPING EVERYBODY KEEPS AN OPENMIND.]WANTToTURNOVERTHET]ME.IKNOWTHEYWILLKEEPTHEIR
COMMENTS VERY BR]EF. TO FRBD AND E-AND THEN BACK UP FOR DISCUSSION.
WE PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT TWO M]NUTES FOR EACH OF SARAH AND FRED. THEN ]F WE
COULD COME BACK TO GET SOME ACTION ITEMS THAT WOULD BE GREAT' HELLO. I SUBMITTED ALL OF THE STUFF ] HAVE TO SAY OR WOULD STAY --SAY IN WR]TTEN STATEMENT -- COMMENT TO CUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME DOWN FOR THE PRESENTATION. SO I W]LL LET SARAH SPEAK AND THEN WE CAN GO RIGHT ]NTO QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. F]RST I WANT TO THANK THE V]CE MAYOR FOR HIS LEADERSH]P ON THIS COMMITTEE. HE DID THE AGENDAS FOR US AND MANAGED A GROUP. AN HOUR A MONTH PRECISELY. VERY HELPFUL. YOUR SUMMARY ]S MOST EXCELLENT. I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY. AS W]TH FRED ] SUBMITTED COMMENTS IN WRIT]NGI BUT I DO WANT TO UNDERSCORE A COUPLE IMPORTANT POINTS TON]GHT AS YOUR REPRESENTATTVE ON MEASURE WHY I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THERE IS MONEY AVAILABLE. $17.35 M]LL]ON ]N THE RECORDS OF APRTL 25th AS REPORTED TO THE MEASURE WHY COMMITTEE. UNALLOCATED, UNRESTRICTED' THEY ARE. THERE 1S A PIPELTNE OF PROJECTS THAT UP IN SEBASTOPOL NEEDS TO GET IN THAT P]PELINE BECAUSE WBIVE KNOWN S]NCE BEFORE --WAS ESTABLISHED WE NEED A B]GGER LIBRARY. THAT LIBRARY IS NOT WORKING BECAUSE IT ]S TOO SMALL, STAFF ]S TOO L]M]TED' BUT wE HAVE GREAT POTENTIAL. THERE IS OTHER MONEY AVAILABLB. WE HAVE $518,000
FROM --IN HONOR OF THEIR SON DAVID JOHNSON FOR SPECIFIC USE FOR THE SEBASTOPOL LTBRARY oNLy. ALSO, OUR COMMISSIONER FOUND MONEY THAT COULD BE AVA]LABLE, TRAINING AND MONEY AVA]LABLE THROUGH A GROUP CALLED PROJECT FOR PUBLIC SPACES WHERE THEY DESIGN A SPACE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO USE TT DA]LY' OF COURSE, OTHER GREAT POSSIBILITIES IN THE EIFD FUTURE WE W]LL GET TO LATER TONIGHT. I WANT TO UNDERSCORE 1 URGE YOU TO ENHANCE SEBASTOPOL'S ROLE AS A HOME OF THE WEST COUNTY. THE L]BRARY IS AN ECONOM]C ENG]NEI SOC]AL SERV]CE ENG]NE, AND A COMMERC]AL LENDER. THE L]BRARY CAN DO SO MUCH FOR US. BR]NGING PEOPLE FROM AS FAR AWAY AS --NEAR THE RIVER' NORTH AND souTH TO WINTER PARK, EAST TO WEST. THAT IS HOW BIG OUR SERVICE AREA rS.
ALL THOSE PEOPLE COME INTO TOWN AND SPEND MONEY HERE. I W]LL EMPHASIZE WITH YOU THAT OUR COMMUN]TY NEEDS A POSITIVE VISION FOR OUR FUTURE. WETVE HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT THE F]SCAL CRIS]SI THE THRBAT OF BANKRUPTCYI RESTRICT]ONS AND ALL OF THE CUTBACKS. I HOPE YOU AGREE NOW IS THE T]ME TO GIVE US A REASON TO HAVE HOPE FOR OURSELVES AND A FUN FUTURE. PLEASE ADOPT THE RECOMMENDAT]ONS OF THE AD HOC. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
ONE OTHER TH]NG ] TH]NK MOST OF MY COUNC]L MEMBERS ARE ASK]NG ABOUT SO ] HOPE YOU W]LL DO KNOW THAT MAYOR -- SHE D]D SAY ]T WAS M]N]MAL. TF THE DIFFERENT AD HOC ]T WOULD ALSO REQU]RE MINIMAL STAFF TIME' AS WELL. THAT -LJ -LI.
MY QUESTION BEFORE YOU CLOSE UP YOUR COMMENTS ]S TO REMIND US WHAT ACTION YOU ARE HOPING TH]S ACT]ON WILL TAKE THIS EVEN]NG ON THIS ]TEM.
THE RECOMMENDAT]ONS/ THEY START ON PAGE 27. VERY WELL TYPED OUT. THE F]RST RECOMMENDAT]ON IS TO .-AS STATED IN THE ]NITIAL PART --TO D]SSOLVE THE
CURRENT AD HOC AND OF THE'COUNCIL SO WISHES TO CREATE ANOTHER AD HOC AND ]T STARTS ON THE M]DDLE PAGE OF 27. IT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE COUNCIL DO. AS FAR AS THE SCOPE, BECAUSE I KNOW IT ]S ALWAYS
IMPORTANT WHEN WE CREATE THTNGS WE HAVE AS CLEAR A SCOPE AS POSSIBLE' ALL THE WORD]NG FROM THE M]DDLE OF PAGE 27 THROUGH 30 IF WE COPY AND PASTE
THAT YOU COULD REALLY HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE IT MARCHES THROUGH THE STEPS OF A FEASIBIL]TY'S BUDDY. FRED D]D ALL THE RESEARCH ON ALL TH]S SO THANK YOU. WE TRY TO MAKE AS HELPFUL AS POSS]BLE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH' FRED, WOULD ]T BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A CHAIR SINCE HE MIGHTIVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU? THAT WAY YOU CAN SET UP THERE AND BE AVAILABLE. >> THAT WAS GREAT. EXACTLY 10 M]NUTES. QUESTIONS FROM COUNC]L MEMBERS BEFORE WE GO OUT TO THE PUBL]C? THE ACT]ON ITEM PAGE, THAT ]S THE QUESTTON. JUST ONB MOMENT PLEASE.
PAGE TWO OF THE STAFF REPORT?
PAGE TWO TO THREE OF THE STAFF REPORT. ]S THAT WHAT WE ARE HEARING? PAGE 23 OF 34. YOU MAY HAVE THE REPORT FROM THE LAST MEET]NG BECAUSE WE CARRIED ]T OVERI BUT I BELIEVE IT IS THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO PROVTDE THE AUTHOR]ZATTON OF TH]S COMM]TTEE TO CONTINUE. PAGE 23 OF 34.
OKAY. PAGE 23 OF THE CURRENT STAFF REPORT, NOT THE MAY STAFF REPORT. OKAY THAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT QUEST]ON. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ] WAS JUST LISTENING TO ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COMMENTS AND READ]NG ]N HERE' ]T ]S TO THE CULTURAL HUB AND A VARIETY OF THINGS. WE ALREADY HAVE A COMMUNITY CULTURAL CENTER AT WH]CH EVERYBODY KNOWS IIVE COMM]TTED THOUSANDS OF HOURS TO SO ] AM CURIOUS HOW YOU SEE ALL THTS FITT]NG TOGETHER BECAUSE 1T SOUNDS LTKE OVERLAPP]NG SERVICES YOU ARE ENVISIONING WITH THE L]BRARY WHtrN WE HAVE ENTITIES WE ARE TELLTNG WE CANNOT FUND OR REDUCING FUNDING RIGHT NOWI YET WE ARE TALK]NG ABOUT TRYING TO RATSE FUNDS FOR TH]S. IT SEEMS CONTRADICTORY ACTION. ] TH]NK FOR SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO, AGAIN, ARE INVOLVED W]TH THESE NONPROF]TS MIGHT WONDER THE SAME TH]NG. SO ]F YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT.
vERy cooD QUESTION. WE DO NOT WANTED TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER BECAUSE OF ALL THE RESEARCH THAT HAS BEEN CITED ABOUT SPECIF]C L]BRARIES AND THEN BEING ECONOM]C DRIVERS AND WAYS TO SECURE RESOURCES FOR EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF ABIL]TY TO PAY. THE L]BRARY DOES SERVE AS THAT. BUTI NO' THE ]NTBNT WAS DEFTNITELY NOT TO PRECLUDE OR MAKE ]T ONE OR THE OTHER. IN FACT WITH THIS REDEFINED CIV]C CENTER TF THERE WERE NONPROFITS FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT WERE STRUGGL]NG WITH SPACE OR GRANT WRITERS OR WHATEVER THEY DEFINTTELY CAN BE PART OF THAT ACTUAL SERVICE HUB WE ARE BEING PRESENTED FOR. SO IT ]S NOT JUST A L]BRARY. IT IS A REIMAG]NING OF A SERV]CE QWERTY FOR GOVERNMENT TO SEE SPACES FOR STAFF, PLACES FOR NONPROFITS. BASICALLY A MEET]NG SPACE. WE CAN DRAW ]N MONEY FROM --TO MAKE IT A FRIENDLTER PEDESTRIAN AREA.
IS JUST GOING TO. ] REMEMBER HOW MANY YEARS AGO SARAH GURNEE TALKING ABOUT THAT WHEN SHE WAS SITTING UP HERE ABOUT WANT]NG TO BRING SERVICES TOGETHER. ]T SOUNDS L]KE THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE TRY]NG TO DO/ BUT JUST UNDER THE LIBRARY NOW. ] REMEMBER THERE WAS A VIS]ON COMMUN]CATED TO THE
COMMUNITY CENTER ABOUT THAT AT ONE TIME. SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THIS TS A CARRYOVER. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT? I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT. IT WASN'T DEFINITELY TO EXCLUDE ONE OR THE OTHER' IT WAS ACTUALLY TO BU]LD OFF OF THE L]BRARY AND THE L]BRARY SYSTEM WHICH'
AGAINI WHEN WE WERE TOGETHER WITH THEM THERE CAN BE WAYS TO SAVE ON OUR BU]LDING AND ONGOING EXPENSES FOR MAJOR THINGS LIKE THE HEAT PUMPS AND THE -- AND ALL OF THAT. IN A WAY WE ARE HOPING THE MORE RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE THE MORE MONEY W]LL HELP US TOWARDS OUR BUDGET.
] HAD A QUEST]ON. I WANT TO FOCUS US BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE LOOKTNG AT THE REPORT AND ] WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK TH]S THAT WHAT YOU ARE REALLY ASKING FOR HIS APPROVAL FOR A CONTINUTNG AD HOC FOR APPROX]MATELY 12 MONTHS TO DO
FURTHER INQUIRY INTO ALL OT THESE VARIABLES AND THEN COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNC]L. I AM HOPING THAT DOESNIT MEAN FOR INSTANCE THAT THE CITY COUNC]L ]S BEING ASKBD TONIGHT TO PRE-APPROVE THIS PROJECT OR TO PRE-DESIGNATE E]FD MONEY TO THE L]BRARY OR ANY OF THOSE STEPS. MORE ABOUT G]V]NG YOU THE AI]THOR]TY TO CONTINUE ON THE AD HOC IN ORDER TO DO FURTHER ]NQUTRIES INTO ALL OF THESE VARIABLES OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 12 MONTHS.
YES. DEF]NITELY CALLED FEASIB]LITY. AS THE MAIN LIBRARY D]RECTOR PUT
FORTH, ANYBODY WHO IS TRYING TO BUILD A BIGGER BUTLDING WOULD HAVE TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY. THAT IS SOMETH]NG ] LEARNED ]S LIBRARY COMMISSIONER AND FRED COULD PROBABLY SAY AS MUCH. THAT IS BAS]CALLY WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR DURING THE NEXT YEAR. WE WILL HAVE PER]OD]C REPORTS SO IF ANYTH]NG GETS CONFUSTNG WE CAN ANSWER IT. >> QUICK QUEST]ONI FEASIB]L]TY STUDY SOUNDS LIKE SPENDING MONEY. DOES THTS REQU]RE ANY MONEY? JUST A COMMITTEE TO ME TO GO FORWARD? OKAY. JUST WANT TO CLAR]FY.
WE DEFIN]TELY CANNOT SEND MONEY AT THTS POINT
] AM ON PAGE 23 OF 34 ALMOST TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE IT SAYS DURING THE FEASIBIL]TY PHASE THE COMMITTEE W]LL UPON FUNDING APPROVAL BY THE CITY COUNCIL COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING TASKS. I'M WONDERING WHAT THE FUNDTNG APPROVAL IS. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ISNTT FUNDING APPROVAL' BUT THTS IS WHAT ]T SAYS RIGHT HERE. SO ] WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT THE SENTENCE MEANS. ALSO HAVE A QUEST]ON TO STAFF. THEY ARE ASKING FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR TO BE PART OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE. ] AM WONDER]NG WHAT STAFFIS OPINION TS ON THAT.
ANYTH]NG BEFORE RETURN _-
AS FAR AS FUNDTNG ] TH]NK THE WAY WAS TO BE PHRASED WAS IF THERE ]S A NEED FOR MONEY, WHICH I AM ASSUMING WE WILL NOT BE ASKTNG rOR MONEY' WE WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO PR]CE OUT HOW MUCH THAT WOULD ACTUALLY COST' BUT I DO NOT ANTICIPATE US GO]NG FORWARD WITH COSTS. AS TAR AS ECONOMIC MOMENT PERSON
SPENDING TIME COMING TO THE MEETING WE ALWAYS DEFER TO STAFF BEFORE' LARRY MIGHT BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON THAT TOO. WE DIDN'T MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT' ]T WAS IF THEY COULD AND IF THEIR SUPERVISOR PROVE ]T THEN THEY WOULD COME' IF THEY COULD AND THEN THEY JUST DfDNIT.
THE PRIOR]TIES OF STAFF ARE SET BY H]S CITY COUNC]L AS A WHOLE AND I TH]NK WE'RE MOV]NG IN A DIRECTION AS AN ORGANIZATION WE W]LL BE DO]NG EXERC]SES T HOPE THE COUNCIL MAKE DEC]S]ONS OR SET PR]ORITIES FOR US. IN THAT SENSE
LEVEL OF OF HER MIGHT DEPEND ON THE PRIORITIES OF THE CITY. OFFERTNG EXPERTISE, I DO NOT SEE THAT ]S OVERLY BURDENSOME. BEING AN ACTTVE PARTIC]PANT MIGHT GET INTO THAT TERRTTORY LITTLE MORE. I'LL BE HONEST W]TH YOU, I W]LL BE GLAD IF WE COULD GET A STRONG COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IN THE F]RST PLACE. WE'VE BEEN RECRUIT]NG WITHOUT SUCCESS FOR A WHILE NOW. HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY FOR WHOM TH]S IS AN ISSUE.
WHEN WE COME BACK WE MIGHT WANT TO D]SCUSS HOW TO MODTFY THE LANGUAGE ON PAGE 23 OF 34. GO AHEAD. IIM SORRY.
ONE MORE TH]NG. IT SAYS THE COMMUNTTY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WILL SERVE AS AN --MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE. I WOULD L]KE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT DOES' ]T WOULD BE DON'S PRIOR]TY 15 TO WHETHER THEY WANTED THEM TO BE TNVOLVED
BUT ALSO WE WOULD REFER TO THE GENERAL MANAGER'
A REMINDER, SPEAK INTO THE M]CROPHONE'S BECAUSE UNLESS THEY ARE RIGHT HERE THEY DO NOT HEAR US. OKAY. MY QUESTION ]S, HYPOTHETICALLY, LET'S SAY THE cTTy couNCIL SAYS AD HOC, CONTINUE ON IN YOUR INQUIRIES AND EXPLORATION AND THIS GROUP COMES BACK W]TH A VISIBILITY --FEAS]B]LITY STUDY' HAS DONE TNTENSE WORK. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WE TN A POSIT]ON AS A CITY COUNCIL TO THE CLIENT TO DO WHATEVER PROJECT 1S BROUGHT BACK TO US BECAUSE SO LONG AS THAT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T YET HAVE THE ]NFORMATTON. ]S THAT AN ACCEPTABLE oPTIoN?>>oFCOURSE.YoUCOULDPULLTHEPLUGATANYT]ME.
HOPEFULLY NOT, BUT JUST SAYING AS FAR AS OPTIONS. >> JUST LOOKING UNDER THE TRANS]TION PORT]ON. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE LOOKING LONG TERM/ BUT IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT A PLAN FOR TEMPORARY FACILIT]ES DUE TO HOW CONSTRA]NED EVERYBODY IS. SO I AM WONDERING DASHES ]S TO COME BACK WTTHIN SIX MONTHS' AT THAT T]ME DO YOU ANT]CIPATE --]T TALKS ABOUT THE L]BRARY AND OUR COMMUNITY-BASED ORGAN]ZATIONS, BUT YOU ANTIC]PATE ANY FUND]NG NEEDED FROM US EVEN FOR THAT TEMPORARY PORTION? AND IS THE COUNTY --ARE THEY WILLING TO FUND SOMETHING LIKE THAT? f'M JUST SAY]NG ]F WE SPEND OUR TIME ON 1T YOU KNOW DASHES >> RAMIREZ OF HOPKINS OFFICE SHE COMMITTED DEBBIE'S T]ME EVERY MONTH. SO ]F THERE ]S SOMBTHING THAT COMES UP BY WAY OF A SPOTTER SOMETH]NG THEY CAN DO TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS ANYTH]NG THAT IS TBMPORARY WE WTLL GLADLY RECE]VE THAT AND BRING ]T FORWARD.
WE ARE NOT EXPECT]NG US AS A COUNCIL -_ >> KNOW. ] AM WELL AWARE. T AM WELL AWARE. THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
] DIDN'T TH]NK SO
UNLESS WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS WE COULD GO BACK TO COUPLE' AND THEN BRING 1T BACK. OKAY.
THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE DISCUSSION OT THE LIBRARY AD HOC COMM]TTEE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLTC COMMENTS IT IS TWO MTNUTES' WE GO ]N CHAMBERS FIRST ]NTO THE COMMUNITY. ALL OF HER?
AS FAR AS ] REMBMBER THE LIBRARY IS LEASED TO THE COUNTY FOR A DOLLAR' THE C]TY PAYS FOR THE BUTLDING. IT IS ACTUALLY A COUNTY LIBRARY. FRTENDS ARE IN THE LIBRARY BUSINESS -- [ ]NAUDIBLE ] ] AM NOT CLEAR WHY WE ARE TALK]NG ABOUT BU]LD]NG A NEW LIBRARY WHEN THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE FROM WHAT I
HEARD STANDARDIZING THE L]BRARIES I TH]NK ACROSS THE ENT]RE COUNTY. T AM A BIG FAN OF L]BRARIES. I GET BOOKS DEL]VERED TO THE LOCAL L]BRARY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH SO MY POINT ]S NOT AGA]NST LIBRARIES. I JUST DONIT SEE THE LOG]C OF THE SERVICE POINT. LIKE THE COUNCIL MEETING THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE SPENT HOURS TALKING ABOUT SURFACING A R]VER THROUGH THE C]TY. WE HAD NO MONEY TO DO ]T. WE TALKED AND TALKED AND TALKED AND NOTHTNG HAPPENED. IT SEEMS THERE ARE MUCH BETTER WAYS OF USING TIME AND ENERGY G]VEN THE CR]SIS WE ARE IN NOW THAT EXPLOR]NG THIS BECAUSE I DONIT TH]NK IT IS APPROPR]ATE TO HAVE TH]S ]S A TR]AGE CENTER FOR MENTALLY ]LL PEOPLE OR HOMELESS PEOPLE OR WHATEVER ]N A LIBRARY WHERE PEOPLE AND CHILDREN ARE COM]NG ALONG TO GET BOOKS AND HAVE HOPEFULLY STORYTELLING SESSIONS AND THAT KIND OF THTNG. f'M NOT QU]TE CLEAR HERE. THE COUNTY HAS THE MONEY. RAM]REZ' THE SCHOOL SUPERVISOR OR WHATEVER HER T]TLE ISI OBJECTIVES AS FAR AS THE COUNTY CHILDREN. BUT TH]S SEEMS L]KE ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THE COUNTY IS SUPER]MPOS]NG ITSELF ON THE C]TY RATHER THAN THE OTHER WAY AROUND. WE USED TO BE AN IMPORTANT DESTINATION OF A CITY, THAT IS OVER. WE HAVE TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THE CITY.
THAT IS TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT OUT TO SOON COULD YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER? GO AHEAD.
I AM HEARING HOW B]G OUR SERVICE AREA IS IN MY QUBSTION ]S IF WE SERVE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE OUTS]DE OF OUR LITTLE TOWN W]TH A BE PAY]NG FOR THIS TOO? WILL THEY BE PART OF ]T? OR DOES THIS FALL BACK ON SEBASTOPOL AND THE NOT MANY PEOPLE LIVING HERE. THAT IS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR PUBL]C COMMENT. I WILL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING THEN I WILL GO BACK OUT TO SOON. UNMUTE PLEASE. CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER? GO AHEAD.
] AM JUST CURIOUS. I AM A L]TTLE LOST ON THE PROCESS AND TIMELINE OF TH]S PRoPobAL. AND I THINK COUNC]LMEMBER ZOLLMAN HAS DONE A GREAT JOB AND THERE IS A TON OF RESEARCH. MAYBE IF HE COULD GO BACK AND EXPLA]N IT. IT JUST
SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PUZZLE PIECBS THAT ARE FITTING TOGETHER LIKE WE OWN THE BUILD]NG BUT THEN SARAH WAS MENTIONING GRANT SOURCES THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY FROM THE LIBRARY THAT WOULD BE USED FOR BUILD]NG THE NEW BUILD]NG. MAYBE IF COUNC]LMEMBER ZOLLMAN COULD TAKE SOME T]ME AND SHOW HOW ALL OF THESE PIECES F]T TOGETHER AND TO DEL]NEATE WHAT IS THE ACTUAL F]NANC]AL COMM]TMENT FROM THE C]TY OF SEBASTOPOL VERSUS WHAT THE FINANCIAL PART WOULD BE COM]NG FROM D]FFERENT ORGAN]ZAT]ONS SARAH MENTIONED BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE QUITE A B]T OF MONEY, LIKE $17 MILL]ON. SEEMS LIKE I COULD DEF]N]TELY GET YOU STARTED ON DESIGN]NG AND PUTTING A BUILD]NG TOGETHER.
SO THAT WAS ENCOURAGING. THE OTHER QUEST]ON I HAD WAS ] DON'T KNOW ]F YOU HAVE THIS IN THE PACKET OR NOT, BUT IS THERE A MAP OF WHERE TH]S NEW BU]LD]NG WOULD GO? ] ]MAGINE ]T ]S NOT THE EXACT SAME LIBRARY FOR PRINT WE HAVE NOW BECAUSE WE ARE OBV]OUSLY TRY]NG TO EXPAND. SO I AM TH]NK]NG IT IS GOING INTO THE PARKING LOT. DOESNIT THE C]TY ON THE PARKING LOT. ANYWAY' ] AM JUST WONDERING HOW THESE P]ECES FIT TOGETHER AND IF WE COULD HAVE A BR]EF TIMELINE, BEST CASE SCENARIO TIMELINE IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT AND FUND]NG FOR THE PROJECT, BUT 1T TS A VERY INTERESTING ]DEA I THTNK. I AM JUST UNCLEAR ON THE P]ECES ]N THE T]MELINE AND THE FUND]NG AND HOW THAT COMES TOGETHER. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR PUBL]C COMMENT. BACK TO CHAMBERS ]F THERE ]S ANYONE TN CHAMBERS. >>
STUFFI BUT I AM CUR]OUS TO KNOW WHAT THE EMPHAS]S IS ON BU]LDTNG AN
ENTIRELY NEW STRUCTURE WHEN THERE ARE PLENTY OF STRUCTURES SUCH AS THE FORMER LOCAT]ON OF CVS NEXT TO LUCKY THAT ]S AVAILABLE AND LONG VACANT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM.
ROBERT, UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE. THANK YOU. CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN YOU SEE THE T]MER? GREAT. GO AHEAD.
T THINK A NEW LIBRARY SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT ]DEA. I AM NOT SURE HOW IT MAKES F]NANCIAL SENSE. WE HAVE A BUDGET ]SSUE ]N PART BECAUSE WE ARE TRY]NG TO PROV]DE SERVICES AVAILABLE IN A BIG CITY WITH 30OO PROPERTY TALKS PLAYERS --PAIRS AND DECL]NING REVENUE. SO A LOT OF QUESTTONS ABOUT THE FINANCIALS CENSUS BANKS IN L]GHT OF THE F]SCAL ISSUBS WE ARE FACING. THEY DO NOT GO TOGETHER WELL. ]N TERMS OF STAT]STICS/ ] HEARD STATIST]CS ABOUT HOW GOOD IT IS FOR THE ECONOMY. I AM AN ECONOM]ST SO I LOOKED ]NTO IT. I THINK IT IS COM]NG FROM A STUDY DONE IN DOWNTOWN D.C. WH]CH 15 NOT A GRAY ANALOG. I INAUD]BLE ] A LOT OF BUILDINGS THERE DIDN'T WORK. MY LAST COMMENT IS IF YOU JUST PASSED ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR $5O,OOO CONSULTANT -- ] THOUGHT WE WOULD NOT DO THAT ON CONSENT CALENDARS ANYMORE, BUT MY QUEST]ON WOULD BE
HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY DOES HE ENVISION BEING SPENT TO SUPPORT THE CONCEPT HE IS WORK]NG ON HERE TO CREATE TH]S NEW LIBRARY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. BACK IN CHAMBERS
BEFORE I GET STARTED ] WANT TO RE]TERATE WHAT I HEARD. ONE, IT IS A GREAT REM]NDER THAT WE HAVE MADE STATEMENTS THAT WE ARE NOT PUTTING BUDGETARY ]TEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. EVEN THOUGH I KNOW ]T IS SOMEHOW FUNDED BY
ANOTHER SOURCE IT WAS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR DESPITE DATING AS A CITY COUNCIL WE WOULD NOT PUT THOSE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. IN REGARDS TO THE cvs, I'vE BEEN PUSHING FOR SOME SORT OF VACANCY TAX FOR SOME TIME. IT ROSE TO THE TOPS OF WAYS TO GET OUT OF THE F]SCAL CRISISI BUT WE NEVER RETURN TO IT. WE JUST GO BACK TO PARCEL TAXI SALES TAX, ALL THESE REGRESS]VE TAXES AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT PUSH PROPERTY OWNERS ]NTO REDUCTNG REDS SO THEY HAVE BUSINESSES BR]NG]NG SALES TAX IN. WHAT ] AM CONCERNED ABOUT TS WE HAVE TH]S REALLY AMAZ]NG AGENDA ITEM LOTS OF INFORMATION BUT WHAT IS MISS]NG TS WE FROM THE PRESENTAT]ON SPECTFIC DOLLAR AMOUNTS REGARD]NG MEASURE Y BUT NONE OF THAT IS IN THE AGENDA ITEM.
IT ]S MY HOPE THAT IF THERE IS A CONT]NUAT]ON OF AN AD HOC THAT TT TS VERY TRANSPARENT AND CLEARLY INDICAT]NG NUMER]CAL VALUE DOLLAR AMOUNTS INS]DE REPORTS. THAT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. BACK OUT TO zooM. ADMIN, UNMUTE, PLEASE. CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER? GO AHEAD' PLEASE.
WHEN ] HEARD SARAH TALK ABOUT THE FUNDS AVAILABLE FROM MEASURE Y AND
COUNCILMAN ZOLLMANIS DESIRE TO EXPAND THE LIBRARY AS A SERVICE CENTER FOR THE COMMUNITY IT OCCURRED TO ME WE MAY BE OVERLOOKING SOMETHING THAT ]S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WOULD BE WORTH EXPLOR]NG. THAT ]S THERE IS A LARGE PARK]NG LOT NEXT TO THE L]BRARY. I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THE POSS]BIL]TY OF CONVERTING THAT TO AN RV KIM AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN EVACUATED FROM THE R]SE AND SHTNE TRAILER PARK. ] THOUGHT I WOULD THROW THAT OUT THERE. MAYBE THE NEXT REVISED AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE L]BRARY M]GHT WANT TO EXPLORE THAT AS A POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU.
THINK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL COME BACK ]NTO CHAMBERS. ]F THERE IS ANYONE THAT WOULD L]KE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING THEN I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. LINDA, UNMUTE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD WTTH YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT, LINDA,
THAT LAST IDEA IS AN INTEREST]NG IDEA. I INAUDTBLE ] THEY ALL HAVE VERY ]NTEREST]NG STORIES. ] THINK THAT WOULD BE WAY INTERESTING TO LET THEM GO TO LOCKS DOWN NEXT TO THE LIBRARY. THE REST OF YOU COULD HEAR THETR STORIES AND GET A TASTE OF WHAT WE ARE DO]NG UP HERE. WE HAVE VACANT COMMERCIAL SPACES -- >>
REPORT. THANK YOU.
ANYWAY, I AGREE W]TH SOME OF THE SPEAKERS. AT THTS TIME --THBRE ARE OTHER TH]NGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT L]KE THE RV AS A PEER AND SHOULDERS. ] LOVE BOOKS AS MUCH AS ANYBODY. BUT r DoN'T THTNK THrs rs THE TIME. r AM ALSO TNTERESTED IN KNOW]NG WHERE ZOLLMAN THINGS AN ADD]T]ONAL L]BRARY WOULD BE BUILT. THE ]SSUE OF RADIAT]ON. TO ME THE LIBRARY AND A LOT OF DOWNTOWN I CANNoT Go THERE BECAUSE OF TOX]C LEVEiS OF RADIAT]ON THAT THE CITY COUNCIL REFUSES TO RECOGNIZE THE RAD]OFREQUENCY AND EMF THAT ]S CAUS]NG CANCER ]N TH]S TOWN AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.
YOU HAVE 25 SECONDS. >> THAT ]S ABOUT IT REALLY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOUI LINDAI FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. ] W]LL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS IF THERE ]S ANYONE ]N CHAMBERS TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING THEN ] W]LL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM ONE MORE TIME. PLEASE UNMUTE, RA]SE YOUR HAND. GET MY ATTENT]ON. SEEING NONE PUBL]C COMMENT ]S CLOSE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE NOW BACK TO COUNCTL MEMBERS WITH DISCUSS]ON AND ADD]TIONAL QUEST]ONS. I HAD ONE OBSERVATION ]N TERMS OF THE MANY P]ECES OF INFORMAT]ON WE'VE HEARD FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BOTH V]A ZOOM
AND IN PRESENCE HERE IN OUR ROOM WHICH IS THAT HOPEFULLY VICE WHERE
ZOLLMAN HAS MADE NO OF ALL OF THESE BECAUSE THESE ARE THE SORTS OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT UNDOUBTEDLY THEY WILL LOOK ]NTO W]TH A FEASTB]LITY STUDY. THAT WOULD BE MY GENERAL COMMON. ANY SPECIFIC QUEST]ONSI PIECES OF INFORMATION, VICE WHERE ZOLLMAN YOU WANTED TO SHARE? >> THANK YOU. I DID TAKE NOTES. ] APPREC]ATE OTHER PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLTC. ]T ]S A TRTCKY TH]NG WHEN DEALING WITH A JO]NT POWERS AGREEMENT. IT ]S A SHORT DOCUMENT' THREE PAGES, ON OUR L]BRARY BRANCH. I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO D]G ]N AND SEE THE D]FFERENT RESPONSIB]L]T]ES WE SHARE W]TH THE COUNTY.
T'M CURIOUS IF YOU LOOKED ]NTO THE CVS BU]LDING AND WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS OF THE BU]LD]NG. IF THERE TS 17 M]LL]ON THAT BUILDING ]S FOR SALE. JUST CHECK]NG ]N WITH THAT.
AGAIN, AT THE VERY LEAST, ] TH]NK YOU HAVE SOME IDEAS. D]D YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC ANSWER?
f Do NOT| BUT THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE PART OF USABILITY' THANK YOU.
THE OTHER PIECE I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WAS REGARDING THB $5O,OOO ALLOCAT]ON FOR THE E]FD CONSULTANT. THAT WAS AN AMOUNT GRANTED TO THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL SPECIF]CALLY GRANTED FOR A EIFD CONSULTANT. THAT ]S L]GHT WAS ON CONSENT. I APPREC]ATE THE REMINDER ABOUT
BUDGETARY ISSUES. >>
AND OPEN SESSION AS A FULL AGENDA ]TEM. JUST COM]NG BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL. I WANTED TO RE]TERATE WEIGH]NG ]N ON TH]S ITEM TONIGHT' TNVESTIGATING AND LIBRARIES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A HOPE FOR THE TOWN. I REMEMBER L]VING OUT ]N THE COUNTRY AND THE LITTLE LOT YELLOW LIBRARY BUS THAT USED TO COME OUT. I DONIT KNOW IF THEY STILL HAVE THOSE L]TTLE YELLOW BUSES FOR THE KIDS THAT L]VE OUTS]DE TOWN. THERE WAS ALWAYS AN ]MPORTANT RESOURCE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR [ ]NAUDIBLE ] A LOT OF COMPETITION IN My MIND FOR THIS MONEYT FOR THE EIFD. I KNOW IT IS LISTED NUMBER ONE IN THE AGENDA ITEM. f'VE SAID ]T BEFORE, I DONIT WANT TO COMM]T
IN ANY WAY FOR ALL OF THE VALUABLE PROJECTS THAT WILL COME FORTH IN THAT INVEST]GATION NOT JUST FOR SEBASTOPOL, BUT THE ENTIRE WEST COUNTY. CAN'T OBVIOUSLY TAKE IT ALL. WANT TO MAKE SURE ] UNDERSTAND TH]S MOV]NG FORWARD.
ARGUMENT M]GHT BE, WELL, WE ARE READY TO GO. I WANT TO SAY ]T VERY PUBLTCLY| I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR TO CONTINUE TO APPROVE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT HAS A B]G GOAL AND THAT ]S THE]R NUMBER ONE HERE ON YOUR
AGENDA REPORT YOU ARE LOOKING AT BECAUSE SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP TONTGHT THE PARK PLAN. THE PARKLAND HAS BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUN]TY AND MANY PEOPLE ENJOY THE PARK AS WELL FOR --I DON'T KNOW --MAYBE LARRY WOULD KNOW. A VERY B]G DOCUMENT WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON. WE HAVE A PLAN WE ARE TRY]NG TO FUN FOR THAT. WE ALSO MTGHT NEED AN A.D.A. COMPLIANT F]REHOUSE. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS ON THE TABLE. ] JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
NOTE TAKEN. AGAIN, THIS IS FEASTBILITY. YOU WILL DO WITH TT WHATEVER YOU WANT. YOU M]GHT PULL THE PLUG EARLIER THAN A YEAR.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER H]NTON'S COMMENTS ON E]FD. WHEN THIS CAME BACK TO COUNCIL A WHTLE BACK WE WERE TOLD THIS COULD BE USED FOR ROADS AND ]T WAS A TOP PRIOR]TY. I L]STEN TO COUNTY CONVERSATION ON THE E]FD AND WHAT THEY WANTED WAS AFFORDABLE HOUS]NG SO LIBRARY WAS NEVER MENTIONED. I SUPPORT THE L]BRARY AND I WOULD L]KE TO SEE YOU CONT]NUE YOU WORK ON IT. 1 THINK EVERYONE FOR WORKING ON IT. ] WOULD MAKE A MOT]ON TO DISSOLVE THE CURRENT AD HOC AND RECE]VE THE REPORT AND THEN CREATE A NEW AD HOC COMM]TTEE AND RECOMMEND]NG HINTON _-MAURER --ZOLLMAN FOR THAT POSITION. >> THERE IS A MOTION ON THE TABLE, BUT I TH]NK COUNC]LMEMBER ZOLLMAN WAS HOPING WE WOULD APPROVE THE SCOPE OF THE AD HOC. BUT WE COULD START W]TH THAT. CAN WE START WITH THAT MOT]ON, PROVE IT' THEN GO ON TO THE PARAMETERS?
I WOULD RECOMMEND GETTING A SECOND ON THE MOTION AND I COULD CLARIFY THE MOTION SO IT ]S NOT AS SPECIF]C AS THE TASK ASKING ABOUT ]F THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. END THERE IS A MOT]ON ON THE TABLE. IS THERE A SECOND? I INAUD]BLE ]
YES. WHEN THERE 1S A MOTION ON THE TABLE WE LOOK FOR A SECOND. TF THERE TS
A SECOND --TO CLARIFY, IF THERE IS A SECOND ON THE MOTION OUR DTSCUSSION IS LIM]TED TO THE MOT]ON. IF THERE ]S NO SECOND CONFESS]ON CONTINUES ON THE TOPIC IN GENERAL. ANY SECOND HERE? NOT AT THE MOMENT SO WE WTLL CONTINUE WITH DISCUSSION ON TH]S ITEM. WAS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSS]ON ? ] JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT 1 AGREE W]TH COUNC]LMEMBER H]NTON. I DO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THAT BEING F]RST ON THE LIST. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF D]TFERENT PROJECTS W]THIN THE C]TY, ] WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT TONTGHT
WHATEVER WE VOTE ON I PERSONALLY AM NOT PRIORIT]ZING ANYTHING HERE AS FAR AS THE L]BRARY FOR ETFD. IT SEEMS TO ME THE SCOOP IS HEAD]NG DOWN THAT PATH ALREADY AND 1 HES]TATE TO HAVE THE ARGUMENT COME BACK AS WAS ALREADY STATED. IT 1S NOT A GIVEN FOR ME.
] WOULD RE]TERATE THAT. I TH]NK VICE WHERE ZOLLMAN AND THE OTHERS WORK]NG ON TH]S PROJECT W]LL HEAR CLEARLY . I'M SORRY, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON THEN
COUNCILMEMBER MAURER,
I JUST HAVE QUESTIONS. ] AM ALSO NOT IN FAVOR AT THIS PO]NT FOR ASSIGN]NG
STAFF WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A STAFF PERSON RIGHT NOW READY TO GO ON THAT' ALSO CLARTFYING QUEST]ON OF ]S THAT STAFF AN ACTUAL MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE OR --MAYBE THIS TS FOR THE C]TY ATTORNEY --BECAUSE ] HAVE HEARD IS STAFF A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE OR NOT. ] WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
THE QUEST]ON ]S WHETHER A STAFF MEMBER HAS A VOTE ON A COMM]TTEE OR INSTEAD IS SIMPLY THERE AS GU]DANCE AND A SOURCE OF ]NFORMATION. AND THAT IS A QUESTION FOR LEGAL COUNSEL.
TYPICALLY IN OUR COMMITTEE SYSTEM STUFF IS THERE TO SUPPORT THE COMMITTEE BUT DOES NOT HAVE A VOTE AND DOES NOT PLAY THAT ACT]VE ROLE.
THANK YOU. WEISSMAN ZOLLMAN, ANY PLAN TO D]FFER TN THIS COMMITTEE? NO. THAT IS HOW MAYOR HAS SERVED. UNLESS SHE TH]NKS DIFFERENTLY WE WONIT CHANGE ANYTHING.
WE HAVE A COUPLE QUEST]ONS ] HEAR. NUMBER ONE IS D]SSOLVING THE CURRENT AD HOC. NUMBER TWO 1S CREAT]NG A NEW AD HOC. NUMBER THREE WOULD BE WHETHER STAFF IS GO]NG TO BE ]NVOLVED IN THIS AD HOC. FINALLY, WHAT ARE THE TASKS' I AM LOOK]NG AT THE CLOCK AND WOULD LIKE TO WRAP THIS UP AS SOON AS POSS]BLE SAID GO AHEAD.
YOU BEEN SERVING ON THE COMM]TTEE, BUT NOW WETVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUN]TY DEVELOPMENT PERSON. W]TH THAT DBFAULT TO THE PLANN]NG PERSON RTGHT NOW WHEN A PERSON IS TAUGHT --PART-TIME AND ELLEN CONTRACTED? VERY D]FF]CULT FOR THAT PERSON TO PARTIC]PATE ]N ANY KIND OF ACTTVELY AT THIS POINT FOR THOSE REASONS.
I JUST HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ANY STAFF TIME RIGHT NOW'
SO WHO WOULD Btr THE STAFF MEMBER, VTCE WHERE ZOLLMAN, IF ANY WOULD LIKE TO PART]C]PATE ]N A NEW AD HOC?
oF couRSE I WOULD PUT HER MARY' BUT IT IS DON'S JOB- IT lS HIS CALL' SUBJECT TO THE D]RECTION OF THE C]TY MANAGER. ALL RIGHT, LETTS DO ]T THIS WAY, HOW ABOUT WE DO JUST A THUMBS-UP AND TAKE A FULL VOTE? D]SBANDING THE CURRENT AD HOC, IS BVERYONE OKAY W]TH THAT? OKAY. CREATING A NEW AD HOC? OKAY. I WILL JUST GO AHEAD WITH MAJORITY VOTE HERE AND THEN INV]TE COMMENTS. SO WE HAVE CREATED A NEW AD HOC, THE NEXT QUEST]ON IS THE TASKS FOR THE AD HOC. THUMBS-UP, LET'S ASSUME FOR PURPOSES OF YOU FOR MEMBER MCLEWfS IF A NEW AD HOC IS FORM THE QUESTION FOR EVERYONE WOULD BE ARE WE
COMFORTABLE G]V]NG THE CITY MANAGER DISCRETION TO APPO]NT STAFF AS HE SEES FIT. THUMBS-UP OR THUMBS DOWN MAN TWO. M]NORITY. OKAY. THAT IS ]NTERESTING. ]N TERMS OF TASKS WE HAVE A FULL L]ST OF TASKS. LET'S RESOLVE THE WHOLE FORMATION OF THE NEW AD HOC. YELLOW FOUR WILL]NG TO PUT TOGETHER A NEW AD HOC AREA I WOULD L]KE TO LEAVE THAT ALONE AND MOVE W]TH IT AND GO TO QUEST]ONS ABOUT TH]S AD HOC WILL DO. COUNCILMEMBER MAURER? DOES THIS NEW AD HOC REQUIRE STAFF T]ME? FOR SOME REASON ] WAS TH]NKING ]T D]DN I T.
IT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT GIVEN WHERE WE ARE F]NANCIALLY IT IS DEFERRING TO DON. HE TS THB GENERAL MANAGER AND CONTROL HIS PEOPLE.
MY SENSE ]N TALKING TO MARY ABOUT THIS ]F 1T ]S CONT]NU]NG THE ROLE SHE HAS BEEN PLAY]NG THAT ]S SOMETH]NG WE CAN CONT]NUE TO DO. IF ]T ]S EXPANDED WILL OR PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT D]RECTOR THAN IT DEPENDS ON FIRST THE AB]LITY TO FIND SOMEONE AND WHAT ELSE ]S ON THAT PERSONIS PLAY. ] WOULD LIKE THEM TO COMMIT MORE THAN A L]GHT LEVEL OF PART]C]PATION FOR [ ]NAUDIBLE ]
I W]LL TRY TO WRAP THIS UP AND JUST FOCUS ON THE ]SSUES I INAUD]BLE ]
WE HAVE FROM COUNC]LMEMBER
ACTTON FOR EXAMPLE?
COMM]TTEES
CLIMATE WE ST]LL HAVE STOPPED DOING CL]MATE ACT]ON?
OKAY. WE HAVE ELIMINATE THE CURRENT COMMfTTEE/ CREATE A CRYING COMMITTEE.
THERE ]S A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER STAFF SHOULD BE ADDED. I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY TO WEIGH IN AND THEN WE HAVE TO F]GURE IT OUT. MARY, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT?
BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE IN THE LAST YEAR ]T WAS NOT A LOT A STOP TIME OTHER THAN DOING THE MEETING, SOME RECAP AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK DOWNTIME IS BASED UPON THE C]TY MANAGERI BUT ]T ]S DEPENDENT ON WHAT THAT MEETING ENTAILS. THE FORMER COMMITTEE DID ALL THE WORK. ] WILL SAY THAT. THERE WAS LIMITED STAFF TIME ON THAT. BUT, AGA]N, WE WERE ONLY THERE IF WE THOUGHT THAT --]F WE WERE REQUESTED WE WOULD TALK TO THE C]TY MANAGER AND SAY SHOULD A STAFF MEMBER BE HERE. MOST OF THE TIME I WAS THE ONLY STAFF MEMBER THERE AND I DID NOT DO A LOT OF WEB WORK. THE COMM]TTEE D]D.
AS FAR AS STAFF T]ME T AM NOT SUPPORTIVE HAVING PLANNING OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PERSON INVOLVED WITH THIS. WE HAVE ITEMS COMING UP THAT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RELATED, HOTELS, ALL THOSE TH]NGS. I WANT TO ENSURE THEY ARE SPENDING TIME ON THINGS THAT WILL BR]NG REVENUE TO THE CfTY' NOT SUCK TIME DOWN AWAY. I WANT TO SEE THEM SPEND THE]R TIME THAT WAY.
L]STEN]NG TO COMMENTS HERE AND I THINK WHAT WE ARE SETTL]NG DOWN TO ]S NO PLANNING D]RECTOR, NO COMMUN]TY DEVELOPMENT D]RECTOR. AND, ] THINK, WITH MARY'S COMMENTS, THERE IS A POTENTIAL TO HAVE MAYOR CONTINUE TO PROV]DE STAFF SUPPORT AT THE LEVEL SHE HAS AND IN THE ROLE SHE HAS BEEN PROV]DING TT UP UNTIL THE PRESENT. THUMBS_UP OR THUMBS DOWN ON ALLOW]NG MAYOR TO CONTINUE OKAY. SO AT SOME POINT WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION BUT ] AM
HEARING AD HOC ENDS, NEW AD HOC GETS CREATEDI POTENT]AL FOR MAYOR TO BE AVA]LABLE AS A STAFT PERSON. LET'S TALK ABOUT TASKS FOR JUST A MINUTE. I LOOK AT TESTS ON PAGE 23 OF 34. THEY ARE SUBSTANTIAL. THEY GO TROM PAGE 23 TO PAGE 24 AND THEN THE MIDDLE OF PAGE 25. ] HAVE READ THROUGH THOSE AND MY ONLY CONCERN IS TT SAYS 12 MONTHS, AND OUTL]NES VAR]OUS REPORTS, ] THTNK IT ]S ORDERLY REPORTS OUT TO THE C]TY COUNCIL. IT TALKS ABOUT SPECIF]C TASKS THE FEASIB]L]TY STUDY W]LL INCLUDE, HAVING WORKING GROUPS.
THE ONE PIECE I WOULD L]KE TO SEE ADDED IS A REQU]REMENT WH]CH MAY ALREADY BE IN HERE, BUT A REQU]REMENT -_AND TH]S IS WHAT WE HEARD FROM COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS -_THAT THIS AD HOC COORD]NATE INTENT]ONALLY WITH OTHER NONPROF]TS WITH]N THE COMMUNITY THAT MIGHT BE SERVING THE SAME PURPOSE L]KE THE SEBASTOPOL COMMUN]TY CULTURAL CENTER OR CENTER FOR THE ARTS OR COMM]T SENIOR CENTER. THAT IS WHAT ] WOULD L]KE TO ADD. DOES ANYONE HAVE MOD]FICATIONS TO THE TASK L]ST?
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD FROM FORMER COUNC]LMEMBER GURNEYS LETTER, THIS ATP
GRANT WHICH I DID NOT SEE LISTED IN THAT GROUP OF WORK, BUT WE SEE IT IN HER LETTER THAT THERE IS POSS]BLY $25O, OOO THAT COULD BE LEVERAGED. FOR ME, ]NSTEAD OF FOCUSTNG ON THE EIFD WHICH WILL HAVE A LOT OF COMPETIT]ON I WOULD RATHER SEE THE FOCUS ON FREE MONEY FROM GRANTS.
FREE MONEY FROM GRANTS. I L]KE THAT. THEN WE HAVE OTHER COMMUN]TY GROUPS TO ADD THOSE ITEMS. I INAUDIBLE -OVERLAPPTNG SPEAKERS ] I WOULD SUPPORT L]MITED PART]CIPATION BY STAFF.
I WAS JUST GO]NG TO ASK ]F WE CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF REPORT ON HOW MUCH DOWNTIME IS BE]NG UTILIZED SO WE CAN GAUGE THAT. ] TOTALLY TRUST MARY.
JUST FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE WE ARE SO CONSCIENT]OUS ABOUT STAFF TIME RIGHT NOW.
MARY, ] TH]NK ]F YOU ARE TRACKING THIS THAT THE ADD]T]ONS TO THE TASKS ]NCLUDE THAT THE REPORT OUT FROM TH]S AD HOC INCLUDE A REPORT OUT ON SOMET]ME BEING USED AND THAT WE ADDED TO THE TASK FOCUS ON FREE MONEY AND GRANT MONEY AND THAT WE HAD ]NTENTIONAL ENGAGEMENT WITH OTHER GROUPS ]N THE COMMUN]TY THAT M]GHT BE SERVING THE SAME GOALS. ANY OTHER ADD]TIONS? ESPEC]ALLY SEEING THE THUMBS WHICH WERE TWO UP, TWO DOWN' ONE MAY BEI MAYOR ONLY HAS SO MUCH TIME MARY. COMMITTEE HAS BEEN DO]NG SO MUCH WORK AND WOULD REALLY LIKE TO LEAN TOWARDS NOT US]NG STAFF TIME OR MARY T]ME EVEN THOUGH SHE ALWAYS SAYS YES. I HAVE TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD.
COULD YOU HBLP US UNDERSTAND WHAT ]MPLICAT]ONS THAT MIGHT HAVE FOR THE WORK OF THE AD HOC?
I W]LL TRY NONE. I RELY ON MARY BECAUSE I AM NOT TYPING LOG]CALLY ASTUTE.
SENDS OUT EMAILS TO SCHEDULE THTNGS.
WE HOST THE ZOOM FOR THE MEETINGS AND SEND OUT THE INV]TES TO THE MEET]NG I THINK MAYOR WOULD HAVE TO TRAIN YOU. >> YES. I COULD FIGURE ]T OUT. >> WHAT 1 AM HEAR]NG IN TERMS OF CONSENSUS _-LET ME CAPTURE THIS AND MAYBB IT WILL BE A MOT]ON. TERMINATE THE CURRENT AD HOC. CREATE A NEW AD HOC AND THAT NEW AD HOC WILL NOT USE STAFF TIME. THE TASKS OF THE AD HOC WTLL BE
AS L]STED ]N THE STAFF REPORT UNDER THE HEAD]NG RECOMMENDATIONS. BEG]NN]NG ON PAGE 23 OE 34 AND CONTINUING THROUGH THE CENTER OF PAGE 25 OF 35 RIGHT UP UNTIL THE C]TAT]ONS HEAD]NG. ]N ADDIT]ON TO THOSE TASKS WE WILL ADD ON FOCUS ON GRANTS AND OTHER FREE MONEY ]S SUCH AS THE ACP GRANTS. LOOK AT THOSE SPECIFICALLY. IT HAS BEEN IDENT]FIED SPECIFICALLY OVER EIFD. SO FOCUS ON FREE MONEY. ALSO INTENTIONAL COORD]NATION W]TH OTHER COMMUN]TY ORGANIZAT]ONS THAT PROV]DE S]MILAR SERVICES. I TH]NK THAT IS A MOT]ON.
MARY, DID ] CAPTURE --
YES. ]S THAT A MOTION?
THAT IS A MOTION. CAN --IS THERE A SECOND? >> ] CAN SECOND 1T COMMENT ON THE MOTION? OKAY. THEN I THINK WE W]LL CALL ]N AND SEE IF WE CAN WRAP THIS UP.
APPROVED THE FOLLOWfNG. DISSOLVE THE CURRENT AD HOC SUBCOMM]TTEE AND APPROVE THE CREATION OF A NEW AD HOC SUBCOMM]TTEE. APPOINTED V]CE MAYOR ZOLLMAN TO THE AD HOC SUBCOMMITTBE, NO STAFF TIME FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
TASKS FOR THE AD HOC AS LISTED ON PAGES 23 THROUGH 25 OF 34 PAGES. THE COMMITTEE SHALL PROVIDE QUARTERLY REPORTS TO CITY COUNC]L. THE AD HOC COORD]NATE ]NTENT]ONALLY W]TH OTHER NONPROF]TS ]N THE COMMUNITY MAY BE SERVING THE SAME PURPOSE. THAT THE AD HOC FOCUS ON GRANT FUNDING SUCH AS ATP TO LEVERAGE.
] HAVE TO MODIFY MY MOTTON THAT IT INCLUDE DETAILS --NEVERMIND. WE ARENIT USTNG STAFF. I DONIT NEED TO MOD]FY ]T THAT WAY. BUT ] THINK ] DO NEED TO MOD]FY IT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE COUNCIL ]S CAUTIONING THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ]N MAKING THIS MOVE TODAY WE ARE NOT PRE-APPROV]NG ANY PROJECT THAT M]GHT COME BACK TO US FROM THE AD HOC.
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ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE ARE LOOK]NG FOR ROLL CALL.
i ROLL BEING CALLED I MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >> THANK YOU FOR THE VERY COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. AND THANK YOU V]CE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND EVERYONE ELSE WORKING HARD ON THIS PROCESS AND WHO APPEARED TODAY TO PART]CIPATE.
WE ARE NOW GO]NG ON TO OUR NEXT ]TEM WH]CH IS ITEM NUMBER E]GHT.
CONTINUATION OF AN ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT FORTH ]N A PUBLIC HEARING OPENED EARLTER ON STREETLIGHTING ASSESSMENT DTSTR]CT. WE ARE REOPENING PUBL]C HEARING. REM]ND ME WHAT WE ARE DO]NG HERE.
WE ARE NOT REOPENING. WE ARE CONT]NU]NG FROM THE LAST MEET]NG. SEE YOU WTLL RECEIVE -_ >> WE ARE WITH BERTOLERO. AS I CORRECT? THANK YOU. ] WILL JUST BE QUIET HERE. THANK YOU. 10 MINUTES, MAX. MARY' I W]LL ASK YOU TO T]ME US. 10 M]NUTES FOR PRESENTATION THEN OUT TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ] WILL BE VERY QUICK. THANK YOU. THE ]TEM TONIGHT IS TO REQUEST THE COUNCTL CONDUCT A PUBL]C HEARING TO RECAP THE PROCESS ON APRIL 16. 2024 THE COUNC]L ADOPTED RESOLUT]ON NUMBER 6582 APPOINT]NG THE ENG]NEER D]RECTING THE PREPARAT]ON AND FTLING OF THE ANNUAL ENGINEER REPORTS. THE ENGINEER REPORT SUBSEQUENTLY PREPARED AND F]LED WITH THE CITY ON MAY 21SI' 2024. BY ADOPTING RESOLUTION 65 NEA IND]CATING THE ]NTENTION TO LEVY AND
COLLECT ANNUAL ASSESSMENT FOR 24_25. TONIGHTIS F]NAL CITY COUNCTL ACTION.
THE COUNCIL CAN ADOPT A RESOLUT]ON APPROVING THE FISCAL YEAF. 24_25 ENGINEER REPORT, ASSESSMENT D]AGRAM AND AUTHOR]ZE LEVY AND COLLECTION OF THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT AS DESCRIBED IN THE STAFF REPORT. W]TH THIS ACTION THE COUNCIL ALSO FURTHER AUTHORTZES THE SUBM]SSTON OF THE ASSESSMENT
INFORMATION IN THE ANNUAL ENGINEER REPORT TO THE COUNTY OF SONOMA AUDITOR OFF]CE FOR THE LEVY AND COLLECT]ON OF THE ASSESSMENT FOR THE C]TYWTDE STREETL]GHT]NG. W]TH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED COUNC]L --STAFT RECOMMENDED COUNCIL CONDUCT PUBLIC HEAR]NG AND I INAUD]BLE J APPROVING ASSESSMENT D]AGRAM AND ASSESSMENT FOR 24-25.
OKAY. VERY EFF]C]ENT. IT ]S A PUBLIC HEARING. CAN WE TAKE QUESTIONS NOW OR ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF NOW AND THEN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AFTER THAT.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS ON THTS ITEM? ] HAVE ONE QUEST]ON WH]CH ]'M SURE IS ]N THE PATH --STAFF REPORT/ BUT PLEASE REMIND US WHAT THE NEW ASSESSMENT AMOUNT WOULD BE?
i32. IT DOESN'T CHANGE FROM CURRENT YEAR
THINK YOU VERY MUCH. WE CANNOT GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC. >> HEARING FOR THE ASSESSMENT D]STR]CT. IF YOU LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC' ] GO TO IN PERSON F]RST THEN ZOOM.
MET L]GHTING, RIGHT? OKAY. ONE MAKES HIM UP FOR THE RIGHT TH]NG. ONE THING ABOUT THE CONTINUATION OF AN AGENDA ITEM WAS THERE WERE MULT]PLE PUBLIC ITEMS COMMENTS OR]GINALLYI BUT THEY DO NOT CARRY FORWARD W]TH THE CONTINUATION, ]T IS NOT SURPR]STNG NONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS HAD QUEST]ONS BECAUSE ]T IS LIKELY ]N PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING THEY WERE LOOK]NG AT PUBLIC COMMENTS MADE AT THIS MEETING AS OPPOSED TO WHEN TH]S WAS ORIG]NALLY A GENDERIZED. ]T WOULD BE MY HOPE MAY BE THOSE THINGS COULD GET CARRY FORWARD SO COUNCIL CAN RESPOND THE PUBLIC COMMENT ]N A MBANINGFUL WAY AS PART OF THE PROCESS. T WILL RE]TERATE WHAT ] SUBM]TTED IS PUBLIC/ WHICH rS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE COST. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ADMIN]STRAT]VE COST WE HAVE ON TH]S AGENDA ITEM FOR THE L]GHT]NG ASSESSMENT DISTRICT SOMEWHERE ]N THE RANGE OF 35% WH]CH IS KIND OF H]GH CONSIDER]NG HEARING OTHER COMPARABLE L]GHTING DISTR]CTS AND WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE. IF YOU LOOK AT A COMPARABLE L]GHT]NG DISTRICTS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE 10 TO 20% RANGE SO 30 TO 35% PROBABLY NEEDS FURTHER ]NVESTIGAT]ON'
IT IS CLEAR WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF THE WAY WE MANAGE ADMTNISTRATIVE COST ]N OUR CITY AND ] TH]NK ]T IS TMPORTANT WE ARE MUCH MORE V]GILANT LOOKING AT THOSE COSTS AND F]NDTNG WAYS TO REDUCE THOSE. ]F NOT THEY MUST JUSTIFY THOSE COSTS PLEASE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I W]LL GO OUT TO ZOOM. TF THERE ]S ANYONE THAT WOULD L]KE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PUBL]C HEARING FOR THE LIGHTING ASSESSMENT DISTRICT? LfNDA, EMILE' PLEASE: GO AHEAD W]TH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE. >> [ ]NAUDIBLE ] LAWSUITS IN THE COURTS OVER THE LTGHT. THE PROPOSAL OF THE AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT DONIT SEEM TO BE IN CONSIDERATION ABOUT THE HEALTH AND ENV]RONMENTAL EFFECTS OF THE LIGHTS wE ARE USING. ALso THE RADIOFREQUENCY. I MENTIONED IT BEFORE. THE LTGHTS HERE AT O'REILLY'S ARE LETHAL. I CANNOT BE AROUND THEM VERY LONG W]THOUT
FEEL]NG SIGNIFICANTLY UNWELL. WHERE ] LIVE I GOT MY ELECTR]CITY ALMOST ALL OFF AND ] HAVE ]NCANDESCENT L]GHTS BECAUSE ] DON'T TOLERATE L.E.D' ANOTHER
ASPECT THE CITY COUNCIL I AM SORRY TO SAY SHOULD START LOOKTNG AT THE EFFECTS AND THE COST OF TECHNOLOGY ]N THEIR POLICTES AND PROJECTS ' THANK YOU. MY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT BACK ]NTO CHAMBERS IF YOU WOULD L]KE TO MAKE A PUBL]C COMMENTS IN PUBL]C HEARING ABOUT THE LIGHTING ASSESSMENT. cNN I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. ROBERT' A NEW' PLEASE. I CAN HEAR YOU.
JUST A QUICK ONE. I DON,T KNOW IF ANYONE NOTICED YOU ARE APPROVTNG AN ASSESSMENT OF -- THAT WILL CONTINUE THE DEFIC]T. YOU ARE USING MY MONEY _- PROBLEM FOR MANY YEARS. WATER SEWER FISCAL CRISIS ]S COMING UP SOON' THAT TS HOW THAT GOT STARTED. ] DONIT KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO CALL THAT OUT' THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT ] WILL AGA]N COME BACK TO CHAMBERS. ]F ANYONE WOULD L]KE TO MAKE A PUBL]C COMMENT? SEE NONE BACK OUT TO ZOOM. PLEASE RA]SE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY OR UNMUTE YOUR TELEPHONE. SAYING ON PUBL]C HEARING ]S CLOSED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BACK WITH COUNC]LMEMBERS.
I HAVE A QUESTION AND I APOLOGIZE I DIDNTT ASK THE SOONER' BUT TT JUST OCCURRED TO ME. MONTHS AGO T HAD RES]DENTS WHO LIVE ON WILLOW STREET ASKING ME IF THERE TS ANYTH]NG TO DO ABOUT THE BRIGHT LTGHTS THAT COME FROM THE L]TTLE LEAGUE FIELD. THEY SET ]N THE SUMMER THEY SHINE VERY BRIGHT INTO RESIDENTS ALL ALONG THE STREET THERE. ] MEANT TO ASK ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT ]S THE WAY PLACE OR T]MEI BUT THEY WERE ASKING FOR SOME SORT OF SHIELDS UP AND ALMOST SO 1T IS NOT SHINING --
IT IS NOT DIRECTLY ON POTNT HEREI BUT A COUNCILMEMBERS CONCERNED' STAFF' PLEASE, CITY MANAGER, COULD YOU MAKE SURE THERE IS A FOLLOW-UP? EXCELLENT' THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS ]TEM? I DID HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. ] READ THE STAFF REPORT BEFOREI BUT TN TERMS OF
THIS ASSESSMENT COVERING THE ACTUAL PROJECTED EXPENSES CAN WE HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT CONCERN? WILL THE ASSESSMENT COVER THE ACTUAL OBJECTIVE EXPENSES RELATED TO TH]S AREA? VERY BRTEF' PLEASE. >>
THE COLLECT]ON OF THE ASSESSMENT TS COVERING CURRENT EXPENSES? ]T DOESNIT' BUT THERE ]S ENOUGH ADEQUATE FUND BALANCE IN THE FUND ITSELF. THAT ]S WHY
WE TRY TO KEEP THE ASSESSMENT AMOUNT THE SAME UNLESS YOU HAVE PROJECTS
PLANNED DASHES
YOUR PROJECTION IS THERE IS ENOUGH OF A RESERVE ]T IS BEST TO USE A PORTION OF THE RESERVE S]NCE THERE ]S NO EXPECTATION OF ANY MAJOR --RATHER DO THAT THEN BURDEN THE LANDOWNERS BUILD UP SAVINGS NEST. IS THAT ACCURATE? GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER OF THE puBLIC FOR RAISING MY QUESTION. I THINK I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SLIDING ASSESSMENT. ANYONE WANT TO MAKE THE MOT]ON? HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOT]ON TO APPROVE FISCAL YEAR 24-25 STREET LIGHT]NG ASSESSMENT DISTRICT. YOU W]LL FIX THE WORDING.
] WILL ADD ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION.
I WILL SECOND THAT MOT]ON.
AS MODIFIED BY MARY. ROLL CALL' PLEASE
SO MOVED BY COUNC]LMEMBER HINTON AND SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER MAURER TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE ENGINEER REPORT ]NCLUDING ASSESSMENT DIAGRAM AND AUTHORIZING LEVY ASSESSMENTS FOR F]SCAL YEAR 25 AND 25 FOUR -- . I ROLL BEING CALLED ] MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
AWESOME. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE --AND/ THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR THAT PRESENTAT]ON AND PROV]DING THE INFORMATION. WE ARE NOW ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER N]NE WISHES WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES TO MA]NTAIN PUBL]C HEARING AND ADOPT RESOLUTION APPROVING WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES. CAN I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS OF THOSE HERE AND ANT]CIPATE MAK]NG PUBLIC COMMENT ON THTS ITBM.]SEEoNE.oNzooM]SEEoNE.PERFECT.THENWEWILLSTICKWITHTWo MINUTES PER PERSON. PRESENTAT]ON GOES TO OUR C]TY MANAGER. ] WILL BE BRIEF. L]GHT]NG ASSESSMENT DISTRICT ITEM WAS VERY BRIEF WE WILL HOLD YOU TO 10 M]NUTES
LONG AND CHALLENGING PROCESS. --WAS HERE AND _- MAKING THE PRESENTATIONAL AND THEN GETS THE PUBLIC HEARING PART.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STICK]NG TO 10 MINUTES. HE'S TELL US WHAT YOU CAN NO, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. BASICALLY IN YOUR FACE. NO, 1T'S NOT' GO AHEAD SPEAK TO US.
THIS PRESENTAT]ON IS GOING TO BE LAID BY --. HE WILL GO OVER THE WATER RATE PLAN IF YOU ARE CALL FROM THE LAST MEET]NG. THERE WAS A RECOMMENDAT]ON TO MOVE FORWARD W]TH THE OPTION FOR BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER. BECAUSE OF THAT WATER RATES HAD TO BE UPDATED AND IT HAS BEEN PART OF THE AGENDA PACKET. HE W]LL BE GOING OVER THAT REPORT AT THTS POINT.
OKAY. BE CONCISE AND BR]EF' PLEASE.
GOOD EVEN]NG. WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO _- ]F WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE'
I AM SEETNG IT IN PRESENTATION MODE FOR THOSE OF YOU NOT ONLINE JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR. STARTING WITH SL]DE --THIS HAS BEEN E]GHT YEARS LONG PROCESS' AND THEN DOCUMENTTNG OUR WORKS. REVIEWED BY STAFF AND LEGAL COUNSEL AND THEN READING OPTIONS WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE TON]GHT. CUTTING THE CHASE FOR THETYPICALCUSTOMERWITHTHE]MPACTPROPOSER.ABIMoNTHLYBILLoF--KEY OBJECTTVESAREGUIDINGPRINCIPLESFoRTHESTUDY.FIRSTANDFOREMOST FINANCIAL STAB]L]TY, WE HAVE ISSUES ON WATER AND WASTEWATER WHEN IT COMES TO -- FOR FA]RNESS BETWEEN OUR CUSTOMERS AND WASTEWATER SYSTEMS ' HOW WE GET THERE IS THE NEXT SLIDE. FOR FINANCIAL STABIL]TY WE WANT TO MAINTA]N A RELATIVELY HIGH DEGREE OF F]XED-RATE REVENUE THAT INCLUDES WE HAVE A HIGH DEGREE OF F]XED REVENUE RECOVERY -- -_SHOWN HERE IS THE CASH FLOW FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. NET CASH FLOW OF -1.2 M]LLION ON THE WATER UTILITY' ROUGHLY 1.5 MILLION ON THE WASTEWATER. THAT IS CASH FLOW' WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT THE BALANCE OF THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT ARE PROJECTED BALANCE OF WATER ONLY THE CASH FLOW MEANS WE REQUIRE IMMEDIATE LARGE RATE ]NCREASES '
RESERVES HAVE BEEN DRAWN DOWN OF THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS TO KEEP RATES LOW'
CURRENT RATE REVENUES ARENTT EVEN SUFFICTENT FOR OUR OPERATING FOR
WASTEWATER, TO REPAY THE GENERAL FUND FOR THAT --
I WILL TNTERRUPT A MINUTE. THE PUBLIC IS NOT ABLE TO SEE THE FULL SLIDES' CAN WE CORRECT THAT? GO AHEAD, WE DO NOT WANT TO SLOW YOU DOWN. >> YOU. HOW DO WE F]ND UT]L]T]ES AND GET THEM TO STAND ON THE]R OWN. TH]S IS A SCHEDULE TO PROV]DE FOR THAT. HE IS TO GET OUT OF THE STRUCTURAL BENEFfTS ]T, ALLOW FOR EXTERNAL LEND]NG AND ALLOWED TO REPLAY THE GENERAL FUND AS OPPOStrD TO BORROWING THTS YEAR. KEY CHA]NS FOR THE WATER USE RATES AND RES]DENTIAL USERS GOING FROM THE WATER SYSTEM WIDE UNIFORMLY TO A THREE-TIERED SYSTEM. WHAT YOU SEE 1S A CURRENT RATE OF i4-52 TO THE PROPOSED RATES WHICH INCLUDE BOTH REVENUE ]NCREASES AND THE SEXUAL CHANGE AND RAIN.
]S THERE ANYTH]NG WE CAN DO ABOUT THE SCIENCE, MARY? ON ZOOM THEY ARE F]NE/ BUT THEY ARE NOT SEEN THE SECOND S]DE ON THE R]GHT. MAYBE WE COULD MOVE THE ZOOM V]EW ] TH]NK IT ]S NEW. THEY DO NEW STARTS. ] GUESS HE JUST MOVE ON. SL]DE TH]S GREAT. THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU. 1 KNOW YOU ARE TRY]NG TO BE EFF]CIENT FOR US. MATTHEW QUICKLY WHEN OTHER TIME HE WOULD GO AHEAD.
EXAMPLE OF CALCULATIONS TYPTCAL FOR AVERAGE SINGLE-FAMILY USERS WHICH IS $9OOO OF WATER USE PER MONTH. THIS TS THE WATER CALCULATION. UNDER CURRENT
RATES AND THAT WAS RIGHT AROUND MY PROPOSED RATES FOR WATER SERVTCE WOULD STEP THROUGH THE TEARS. PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER WE HAVE I INAUD]BLE ] ROUGHIY $25 ]NCREASE IN AGGREGATE. REVENUE ]NCREASED AND STRUCTURAL CHANGE INCREASE. HERE IS --. WATER RINSE, AGAIN| MOVING TO A THREE-TIER PROPOSAL FROM RES]DENTIAL USERS. THEN SEVERAL CURRENT RATES ACROSS THE SYSTEM' ]NTENDING TO MOVE TO CLASS PHASE RESIDENTIAL AND HAVING THAT THREE-TIERED STRUCTURE. NEXT SL]DE. PLEASE. TURN]NG TO THE WASTEWATER RATESI SAME FTXED PLUS A VAR]ABLE. FIXED BY METER S]ZE. THE PROPOSAL HERE MODIF]ES HOW THOSE DIFFERENT]ALS ARE BETWBEN METER S]ZES. R]GHT NOW ]T IS BASED ON WHAT WE REFER TO AS HYDRAUL]C CAPACITY. POTENTTAL WATER USE THROUGH THE METER AT THE FRONT-END TO HOW WASTEWATER IS USED. THAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR DITFERENTIAL YOU SEE. ON THE CHANGES PREDOMINANTLY TO THE LARGER METER S]ZES ]N THE PROPOSAL. MODERAT]NG AGAIN fN YEARS TWOI THREE' FOUR' F]VE' VARIABLE COMPONENT BASED ON GENERATION. BASED ON YOUR AVERAGE WTNTER coNsuMpTION, HOW MUCH WATER YOU USE IN THE WINTER PERIOD. EACH UNIT OF WATER CURRENTLY CHARGED AT $10.31 WITH THE INCREASE THAT WILL BE $50'47 FOR THE FIRST YEAR THAT INCREMENTAL IN YEARS TWO THROUGH FIVE. THTS IS A REHASH OF OUR SECOND SL]DE JUST SHOWING THE WATER AND WASTEWATER BROKEN DOWN. COMBINED B]MONTHLY B]LL FOR A TYP]CAL SINGLE-FAMILY. 5/8 AND THREE_ QUARTER METER CONNECTION. 9000 GALLONS oF WATER PER PERIOD AND 6000 SEWER PER BILLING PERIOD. CURRENT BILL S22O IN CHANGE. THAT UTILITY WHEN WE COMPARE W]TH NEIGHBOR]NG AGENCIES WE ARE THINK]NG NOW IN MONTHI'Y TERMS' MOST AGENC]ES DO BILL ]N MONTHLY TERMS. A LOT OF US THINK IN MONTHLY TERMS WHEN WE BUDGET FOR UTILITY BILLS, ET CETERA. SO WHEN LOOKING AT MONTHLY WATER CHARGES ACROSS PEER AGENC]ES SEBASTOPOL CURRENT WATER PLUS WASTEWATER MONTHLY B]LL IS ABOUT $114 AND CHANGE. THE PROPOSED WOULD BE $151.80. WELL BELOW --, A BrT ABOVE --. WHAT WE WANT TO A KNOWLEDGE IS WE HAVE -- ]N THE MIDDLE OF STUDIES. THERE ARE OTHER AGENCIES HERE I WOULDN'T BE SURPR]SED IF THEY OPENED THEIR RATE STUDIES A LTTTLE BIT EARLIER BASED OFF OF FINANC]AL CHALLENGES WE ARE SEEING ACROSS THE BOARD. NEXT SL]DE' THE TAKE AWAY HERE. WE'VE SEEN THE RATES, SEE THE ]MPACTS' THE KEY PO]NTS' PROPOSING THREE-TIER WATER USE RATE STRUCTURE FOR SINGLE-FAM]LY RESIDENT]AL STRUCTURES. PORTABTLITY LOW TO AVERAGE USERS AND MAINTAIN]NG
OUR FIXED REVENUE RECOVERY AT A FAIRLY H]GH LEVEL OF ROUGHLY 50% FOR BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER. AGAIN, DIFFERENTIATED BY FLOW PATTERNS RATHER THAN WATER POTENT]AL CAPAC]TY TO IMPROVE FA]RNESS BETWEEN THOSE CLASSES. AND HAV]NG T]ERED RATES HELPS TO MODERATE THE IMPACTS WE SEEN TO MOST CUSTOMERS. THIS REPRESENTS MORE THAN 75% OF YOUR CUSTOMERS. >> CLOSE TO DONE?
] BELIEVE ] AM DONE. NOW I WILL TURN IT BACK TO CITY MANAGER AND CTTY CLERK FOR THE PUBLIC HEAR]NG ITSBLF.
CAN I ASK FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE HOW MUCH MORE TIME WILL BE NEEDED TO FIN]SH UP THE PRESENTAT]ON?
WE ARE DONE WITH THE PRESENTATION AND READY TO OPEN PUBLIC HEAR]NG. A LITTLE B]T OF INFORMATION FOR YOU AS WE DO THAT. FIRST, VASQUEZ FROM OUR FINANCE TEAM IS HERE, HELPS WITH THE COUNTY PROCESS. SHE'S BEEN TRACKING.
WE RECEIVED ABOUT 42 VALID PROTEST SO FAR. SHE MIGHT HAVE A SLIGHTLY MODTFIED NUMBER, BUT -- 44. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE --FOR TO BE VALrD AND THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY INVALIDATE THE RACE. WE WILL OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND CALL FOR ADDIT]ONAL WRITTEN PROTESTS. I WOULD LIKE TO WRAP UP W]TH THOUGHTS ON NEXT STEPS AFTER THIS PROCESS. >> THANK YOU. AT THE COUNC]L TABLE W]TH ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THEN WE WILL GO OUT TO THE PT]BL]C. GO AHEAD COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWTS?
ARE WE ON TRACK TO INCREASE COSTS FOR COMMERC]AL PURCHASERS OF WATER AND ] KNOW WE'VE BROUGHT THAT UP AT EVERY MEET]NG WE HAD.
I BELIEVE WE ARE _-YOU COULD CORRECT THEM' BUT THE H]GHEST LEVEL IRRIGATION RATES.
I'M TALKING ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING DANTE STATED THAT 1T WOULD BE READY TO GO WUNN itT RAISE THE RATES FOR THE RESIDENTS WHEN THEY FILL UP WITH WATER.
YES. THAT ]S PART OF THE RESOLUT]ON.
THANK you. ANy OTHER QUESTTONS? NO. WE WrLL GO OUT TO PUBLTC COMMENT.
THANK YOU. TH]S IS FOR THE PUBLIC HEAR]NG ON THE PROPERTY TO 18 WATER RATES. T W]LL GO TO ]N CHAMBERS FIRST AND THEN OUT.
UNFORTUNATELY MY PUBL]C COMMENT SUBMITTED BASED ON THE CTTY T S SUGGESTION OF THE:OO P.M. D]D NOT GET POSTED SO ] HAVE TO PULL IT UP VERY QUICKLY.
I'M SURE THIS ]S EATING ]NTO MY TIME.
WE WfLL WAIT TO START YOUR TIME WHEN YOU ARE READY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> ] AM SURE MARY GOURLEY W]LL BE LOOK]NG ]NTO PUBL]C COMMENT AND MAKING SURE IT ]S POSTED.
IT WILL BE POSTED IF ]T HAS NOT ALREADY. I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TODAY SORRY.
LET US KNOW WHEN YOU ARE READY AND WITH WE NEED TO LET SOMEBODY GO BEFORE YOU LET US KNOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A NEW PUBLIC COMMENT.
HELLO. MY NAME IS PATRICIA FRALEY. I LIVE ]N SEBASTOPOL FOR 63 YEARS IT IS REALLY HARD FOR US NOW AS SEN]ORS AND IT IS GETT]NG HARDER AND HARDER WITH THE INCREASES, THE GROCERIES, EVERYTH]NG. LIVED IN THE SAME HOUSE FOR 47 YEARS. WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE WE THOUGHT ]T WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE IT HAD A SW]MM]NG POOL. I ADVISE ANYBODY TO NOT GET A SWIMM]NG POOL W]TH WATER RATES NOWADAYS. WE HAD TO DO A REVERSE MORTGAGE FIVE YEARS AGO BECAUSE MY HUSBAND HAS HAD CANCER SEVERAL T]MES. WE ARE ON A VERY SMALL FIXED ]NCOME. ] CAN BARELY PAY THE WATER RATES I DO NOW. SAW IN THE PAPER yOU NEED LIKE 93.5 MILLTON PER YEAR TO GET THIS GOING. I HAVE A QUESTION' WHERE ]S THE $17 MILLION AND CAN TT BE USED TO HELP TH]S WATER THTNG GET GOTNG? FOR THAT ] JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF ]T. BUT ] WROTE A LETTER. MY NE]GHBORS HAVE TOO. THEY CAN BE HERE. AS ] SAID, ]T TS JUST HARDER AND HARDER. ] WANT TO THANK SANDRA -- EXCUSE ME --FOR VOTTNG NO ON THIS AND TH]NKING OF TH]S SENIORS AND THE LOW INCOME PEOPLE THAT WILL MOVE
INTO THOSE NEW APARTMENTS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE WATER BECAUSE ] AM SURE IT ]S NOT INCLUDED. PLEASE RETH]NK TH]S.
RESTRUCTURE IF YOU CAN TO START IT SLOWER TO I INAUDIBLE ] MY B]LL WENT UP $30 THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR PUBL]C COMMENT.
THE NAME, BUT ]T SAYS 1PAD 3.
NEXT I W]LL GO OUT TO ZOOM. I AM NOT SURE
CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF' PLEASE.
I CAPT]ONERS
>> I W]LL JUMP ]N WHEN YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT SO GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT' PLEASE. >>
PART OF WASH PLUS LAUNDROMAT. AS THE PROPRTETOR OF WASH PLUS' A LOCAL BUS]NESS HEAV]LY RELIANT ON WATER FOR ]TS OPERAT]ONS' I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ADVERSE EFFECTS THE CYCLE WILL HAVE ON MY ENTERPR]SE AND THE ABILITY TO REMA]N ]N BUS]NESS. WHILE I ACKNOWLEDGE THE NECESSITY OF MA]NTAIN]NG AND ENHANC]NG OUR WATER IN AND STRUCTURE SUCH A SUBSTANT]AL RATE PLEASE IS AN UNWANTED BURDEN ON SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE MINE. OPERATING oN THIN pRoFIT MARGINS, ANy NOTABLE RISE IN OPERATIONAL COSTS DOES L]BERATORS OUR SUSTAINABILITY. AMOUNTING TO AN ESTIMATED 49OO PER B]LLING CYCLE IN 2024 ALONE. TH]S ABRUPT RISE FAILS TO CONS]DER THE BROADER ECONOM]C REPERCUSSIONS ON BUS]NESSES LIKE MINE. AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER' I AM ACUTELY AWARE OF THE DEL]CATE BALANCE BETWEEN MA]NTAIN]NG AFFORDABLE SERV]CES FOR OUR PATRONS AND COVER]NG OPERATTONAL EXPENSES. TRYTNG TO STAY W]TH]N TIME. ] URGE THE SEBASTOPOL WATER DEPARTMENT TO RECONS]DER TH]S DECISION AND EXPLORE ALTERNAT]VE APPROACHES TO ADDRESS THE F]NANCIAL NEEDS OF OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. ] AM GOING TO END THERE. ] AM WITH MY HUSBAND, DEVON. WE ARE THE OWNERS OF HONEYMOON FROZEN YOGURT. WE USE A LOT OF WATER AND LIKE STEVEI WHO OWNS THE LAUNDRY MAT' TH]S HAS A VERY STRONG POSS]BILITY TO PUT US OUT OF BUSINESS. THE RATE HEIGHT IS TOO EXTREME FOR BUSINESSES AS STRONG AS OURS TO MA]NTA]N. ] DON'T SEE HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN BUSINESS ]F YOU DO THIS TO US. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT ] W]LL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS' KYLE? >> --ON THE TOPIC OF UT]LITY ]NCREASES. THE DATA PRESENTED IN THE SEBASTOPOL TIMES TO CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE THAT THESE RES]DENTS ARE FAC]NG A SUBSTANT]AL ]NCREASE ]N THE]R UT]L]TY RATES PARTICULARLY WHEN COMPARtrD TO
S]NGLE-FAMILY HOMEOWNERS. THE PREV]OUS COUNCIL MEETTNG HAVE SEEN EFFECTIVELY ]RRESPONSIBLE. WHILE TECHNICALLY CORRECT IN THE DOLLAR PER DOLLAR COMPARISON, SEBASTOPOL T]MES PROVIDED TABLE STARKLY CONTRASTS THE CHUTE TO ]LLUSTRATE THE CURRENT BIMONTHLY COMB]NED RATE FOR CUSTOMERS ]S 8783, WHICH IS A HIGHLY CONSTDERED AMOUNT. LOOKTNG AHEAD TO 2028' THE RATE wrLL TNCREASE $246 AND $75. TH]S REPRESENT OVER 180% IN FIVE YEARS. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE RATES FOR SINGLE FAM]LY RES]DENCES W]LL INCREASE STARTING AT 105.87. AN INCREASE OF JUST 77%. SO. WHILE IT IS PARTICULARLY TROUBLING THE IMPACT ON RES]DENTS DUE TO THE P]PE NEXT YOU, THEN YOU NEED STATEMENTS FAILED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE POSTAL RATE INCREASE FOR THESE RESIDENTS ]S S]GN]F]CANT H]GHER. TH]S D]SPARITY NOT REALLY A MATTER OF OVERSTGHT BUT A FUNDAMENTAL M]SREPRESENTAT]ON OF THE ]MPACT OF THESE RATE CHANGES. ]T ]S ]MPERATIVE THAT OUR COMMUN]CATIONS W]TH THE PUBL]C, ESPECTALLY REGARD]NG F]LMING AS V]TAL AS UTILITY RATES BE TRANSPARENT' ACCURATE' AND CONSIDERATE OF ACTUAL BURDENS PLACED ON OUR RESIDENCE. THE CURRENT
NARRATIVE SUGGESTING THAT RESIDENTS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER OFF IS NOT ONLY INCORRECT BUT ALSO D]SMTSSIVE OF THEIR LEG]T]MATE CONCERNS. ] URGE THE COUNC]L TO RE-EVALUATE THE RATE STRUCTURE, ENSURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY'S MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS ARE NOT JUST EMOT]ONALLY EFFECT]VE. IT IS OUR DUTY TO PROTECT ALL RESTDENTS FROM UNDUE FINANCTAL STRAIN AND THAT STARTS W]TH HONESTI HONEST AND CLEAR COMMUNICATION.
THANK YOU, KYLE, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL GO BACK UP TO SOON. KATE' CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
YES. THANK YOU
THANK YOU. CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER ST]LL?
I CAN
GO AHEADI PLEASE' >>
COMMENTS AROUND THE WATER, I FTRMLY DISAGREE W]TH THESE RATES. ] DO NOT BEL]EVE THAT THEY TREAT THE COMMUN]TY HOL]STICALLY. ] THINK THEY WILL BE VERY BAD FOR BUS]NESSES, WHfCH WE NEED TO SURV]VBI SO WE HAVE SALES TAX ]NTERESTS. ] ALSO THINK THERE WILL BE UN]NTENDED CONSEQUENCES ON THE
CIJY'S BUDGET BECAUSE ALL DEPARTMENTS, FIRE DBPARTMENTS' THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WILL ALL SEE RADICAL ]NCREASES ]N WATER. THE OTHER TSSUES THAT I HAVE BROUGHT FORTH BEFORE ]S THAT --AND I GOT CONFIRMATION FOR TH]S --
WAS THAT THE DATA WAS USED TO PRICE THE TIERS OF WATER USERS WAS BASED ON THE FISCAL YEARS 2021/2022 WERE ONLY HALF THE METERS IN THE C]TY WERE SMART LEADERS, THE REST WERE ANALOG MEANING WE D]D NOT GET AN ACCURATE REPRESENTAT]ON OF HOW MUCH WATER PEOPLE WITH ANALOG METERS WERE ACTUALLY US]NG. SO, THE TIERS M]GHT ACTUALLY BE MUCH MORE ST]NGY THAN PEOPLE'S ACTUAL WATER USAGE. ] BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT HOW AN ALLOCATION STUDY HAD NOT BEEN DONE FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND SO, THE C]TY HAD BEEN MOST L]KELY DOES APPROPRIATE ]N BETWEEN 5O7,OOO $5OO,OOO AND $7O,OOO THROUGHOUT THE DECADE. THAT HAS NOT BEEN RECTIFIED. f'D L]KE TO SEE A COMMTTTEE FOR OUR WATER FUNDS TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS AS CAPITAL ]MPROVEMENTS' TIMEL]NES AND FUND]NG. THE TWO CONTAMINATED WELLS. ARE THOSE WELLS STILL CONTAM]NATED AND HAS THE C]TY GOTTEN ANY MONEY TO REPAIR THEM FROM THE PEOPLE WHO CONTAM]NATED THEM , THE QUOTE UNQUOTE ON A SYSTEM THAT IS USED
FOR COMMERCIAL HAULERS IS UNACCEPTABLE, AND MAKE SURE OUR WATER AND SEWER THEOR]ES ARE ACTUALLY JUST GO]NG FOR WATER AND SEWER. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, KATEI FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK TO IN CHAMBERS. AN GOOD EVEN]NG ONCE AGAIN. 1 AM GO]NG TO FOLLOW-UP. MY NEIGHBORHOOD SA]D ABOUT THE AFFORDABIL]TY OF THESE NEW RATES. FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE ON NEXT INCOMES/ MY UNDERSTAND]NG OF SPEAKING TO A FRIEND TODAY ]N SANTA ROSA IS THAT THEY HAVE A PLAN FOR PEOPLE SUCH AS A CARE PROGRAM.
T DONIT KNOW IF SOMETHING L]KE THAT EXISTS ]N OUR BILLING SYSTEM. IT DOES? I AM SEEING WITH THE STATE. BUT ANYWAY/ THANK YOU. ]F THERE ]S ONE' I wou]JD LIKE TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION. IF THERE IS NOT/ 15 THERE ANY
CONSIDERATION ABOUT, CREATING SOME SORT OF CARE PROGRAM SUCH AS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE ON F]XED OR L]MITED INCOMES? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT ] WILL GO BACK OUT TO RESUME.
COULD YOU UNMUTE YOURSELFI PLEASE?
] BEL]EVE I AM UNMUTED.
YOU ARE. CAN YOU SEE THE T]MER. STILL?
T CAN. THANKS.
GO AHEAD.
WELL, ] WANTED TO OBJECT TO THE RISING WATER RATES. BUT I TH]NK THAT THE TIERED SYSTEM IS UNFA]R AND THE REASON I TH]NK KEVIN , MAYBE WE CAN CHECK W]TH KEVIN Mc ABOUT THIS BUT DUR]NG HIS PREVIOUS PRESENTATION' HE TMPL]ED THAT'S PART OF THE JUSTIFICAT]ON FOR THE TIERED SYSTEM WAS TO MAKE THE RISE ]N WATER RATES BLIGIBLE TO THOSE/ THE MAJOR]TY. I THTNK HE SAID 75%.
WHO ARE IN TIER 1. SO, THEY WONIT BE EXPERIENCING A 40% INCREASE TN THEIR WATER RATES. AND I TH]NK THE REASON THAT THIS IS UNFA]R ]S BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN, FAMIL]ES, AND --WELL, BASICALLY THEM. BUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE YOUNG FAMILIES AND HAVE CH]LDREN ARE GOING TO USE MORE WATER AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE CHARGED AT A RIDICULOUSLY HIGHER RATE WHEN ] GET JAUNTED UP INTO TIER 4. AND I THINK THAT ]S UNFA]R AND ] THINK ]T ]S A DETRACT]ON TO THE COMMUN]TY BECAUSE ] TH]NK SEBASTOPOL DEMOGRAPHICALLY ]S A COMMUN]TY THAT ]S MAINLY MADE UP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE AGING BOOMERS AND I THTNK THAT AG]NG BOOMERS TEND TO LIVE BY THEMSELVES. MAYBE THEIR CHILDREN ARE GONE AND IT IS ALSO A BURDEN ON PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADUS THE AG]NG BOOMERS WHO L]VE BY THEMSELVES IN THE HOUSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE OUT OF TIER 1 AND THEY ARE GOING TO PAY A H]GHER RATE BUT A REASONABLY HIGHER RATE' AT LBAST COMPARED TO THE 40% INCREASE THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE CH]LDREN AND HAVE ADUS , WH]CH THEY WERE ENCOURAGED TO BUILD BY THE WAYI HAVE TO PAY. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA AND ] DON'T TH]NK THAT THERE HAS BEEN ANY OTHER JUSTIFICATION PRESENTED FOR THE T]ERED RATE SYSTEM. AND SO. THAT IS WHY ] OBJECT TO THE WATER INCREASE AS ]T IS NOW. >>
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT 1 WTLL COME TO IN CHAMBERS. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS MICHAEL NORTON. ] DONIT FEEL L]KE I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THTS SUBJECT TO BE AN AUTHOR]TYI BUT MY UNDERSTAND]NG ]S THAT THTS RATE H]KE ]S BECAUSE OF A DEBT THAT WAS CREATED AND I DO NOT KNOW IF THE RESIDENCE OF SEBASTOPOL ARE RESPONS]BLE FOR THAT --GREETING THAT DEBT.
MAYBE THEY ARE DIRECTLY OR BY DEFAULT. I DONIT KNOW ALL THE DETATLS. YOU KNOWI CAN WE AT LEAST GO TO MONTHLY BILLS ]F THAT ]S WHAT EVERYONE ELSE ]S DOING AND THAT TS GO]NG TO G]VE US A SOFTER, YOU KNOW, EASIER WAY TO TRY TO INCORPORATE THESE ]NCREASED FEES ]NTO OUR DAILY LIVES OR INTO OUR MONTHLY LIVES --MONTHLY B]LLS. LET'S DO THAT. LETIS GTVE PEOPLE A CHANCE'
CAN WE DELAY THE GO AHEAD ON THIS RATE HIKE AND EMPOWER OR FORM SOME SORT
OF COMMUNITY TASK FORCE TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS ISSUE AND COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL OR ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS? DO WE HAVE TO GO W]TH THIS NOW? DO WE? 28OO PEOPLE AND SOMETH]NG ARE THE NUMBER OF RESTDENTS ]N HOMES ]N THIS CITY AND YOU SA]D THERE WERE 44 PROTESTS. WELL' THERB IS MORE ADDED NOW. BUT, yOU KNOW, I THINK IT SHOULD BE REVERSED' I
THINK THE CITY SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS THAT APPROVE OF THE]R PLANS
MICHAEL| yOU HAVE ABOUT 25 SECONDS. >> THANK YOU. ASSUMING THAT T KNOW COMMENT IS A yES VOTE, 1T ISN'T. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
NEXT ] W]LL GO OUT TO ZOOM. ROBERTI CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
] CAN HEAR YOU. CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
] CAN,
GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
JUST AS PROCEDURE, THE RATES THAT YOU SET UP IN THAT NOT]CE ARE DTFFERENT THAN THE RATES THAT YOU PRESENTED TON]GHT. I DON'T KNOW ]F YOU WERE GOING TO PROVIDE SOME CLAR]FICATION ON THAT. BECAUSE ] WOULDN'T GO WITH OPTION TWO TONIGHT. THAT ]S IT. THANKS.
THANK YOU, ROBERT. NOW I WILL GO BACK TO PUBL]C COMMENT IN THE CHAMBERS ANYONE WOULD L]KE TO MAKB A PUBL]C COMMENT ON THE HEARING. >> SA]D WAS VERY TRUE IS THAT I KNOW COMMENT IS DEFIN]TELY NOT A YES VOTE.
WALKED AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS. EVERYBODY WAS AGAINST IT. EVERYBODY. THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE FOR THETR LONG AFTER WORKDAY. ]T 15 VERY UNAFFORDABLE. IT ]S A VERY BAD IDEA. YOU GUYS NEED TO FTGURE OUT ANOTHER IF
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. ] WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. L]NDA/ CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? THANK YOU. GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT' LINDA. >> MICHAEL, IID LIKE TO ELABORATE _- AND ]T IS BECAUSE TWO YEARS AGO, LEDGER WROTE THIS TH]NG UP ABOUT $2 MILLION PLUS DEF]CIT THAT C]TY couNcIL HAS SQUANDERED $2.2 MILLION ON 3002 MICROWAVE RADIATION ADMTTTING NONRECYCLABLE PLASTIC L]THIUM BATTERY POWERED WATERLESS WIDER METERS WHICH NEED TO BE REPLACED EVERY F]VE YEARS. COMPARED TO THE AMERICAN_MADE MECHANICAL READERS LIVE UP TO 40 YEARS. SO, ANYWAY, THE WAY THAT THAT CAME ABOUT WAS PART IN A F]GHT $1 MILL]ON LOAN THAT THE CITY COUNC]L WAS CONNED ]NTO TAKING BY, I AM SORRY TO SAY, DANTE AND PUBLIC WORKS GUY WHO ASSURED THEM OVER AND OVER THAT IT WAS NO COST. ACCEPT PROCEEDING. NO COSTS. THEY D]DNIT EVEN KNOW AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN THEY WERE PRESSURED INTO GETTING TH]S SUPPOSEDLY LOW ]NTEREST LOAN WHAT THEY WERE VOT]NG FOR. ]T WAS A $5 M]LLION --W]TH INTERESTI TURNED OUT TO BE --
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LINDA, yOU HAVE ABOUT 25 SECONDS. >> --THE CITY, THE MAYOR AND LISA ARE RESPONSIBLE. THEY ARE THREE OF THE BILLS THAT WERE ABSOLUTELY RESPONSIBLE AND THBY ST]LL WON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT $5 MILLION LOAN THAT SHE DTDNIT KNOW
ABOUT THAT THEY VOTED
LTNDA, THAT ]S TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT' I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. ALL OF HER?
THANK YOU. JUST TO ECHO SOME OF THE PO]NTS THAT SOME THE F]XED TNCOME PEOPLE MADE. I DID ACTUALLY TALK TO SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS TODAY AND VERY FEW PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT TH]S TO THE PO]NT THAT THE LADY THERE WAS SAYING. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY ANGRY ABOUT TH]S BUT THEY DIDNIT READ THE LETTER, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE LETTER. DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO NEXT. DIDNIT REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS GO]NG TO BE A TOWNHALL. A NEIGHBOR OF M]NE DUE DATE THOUGHT IT WAS A DONE DEAL AND I sAlDf NO, THERE IS A MEETING TONIGHT. sHE IS TOO OLD TO COME IN AND SIT
AND TALK FOR HOURS UNTIL THIS AGENDA ITEM COMES UP SO I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS HERE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THE F]XED ]NCOME THING ISoNETHING.THESMALLBUSINESSES'THEYAREGO]NGToPACKUPANDGo.I SAID THIS BEFORE PEOP],E L]KE HAIRDRESSERS DON'T HAVE TTME TO SIT HERE ALL EVENING ] CAN'T RUN MY HAIRDRESSERS ANYMORE BECAUSE ACCOUNT FOR THE WATER BUT THEY ARE JUST GOING TO PACK UP AND PEOPLE ARE GO]NG TO GET THEIR HAIR CUT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND GET THE SALES TAX. SO ] JUST THINK WE ARE SA]LING INTO VERY UNCHARTED WATERS HERE. THESE ARE ENORMOUS NUMBERS AND ONE OTHER THING THAT IIM STAND]NG HERE. PMT WERE HERE LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE. TAKING THE COVERS OFF, DOUBLE CHECKING ALL THE NUMBERS ON THEM ] DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. THE GUY ]N THE STREET TOLD ME HE WAS VERIFY]NG SOME TH]NGS BUT WHEN BE TOO EXPLICIT ABOUT ]T. SO WE HAVE
DATA FROM THE CONSULTANTS FROM ANALOG OR PARTIALLY FROM ANALOG WATER METERS FROM THE LAST YEAR, DIG]TAL WATER METERS WHICH MAY HAVE NOT BEEN READING THE RIGHT NUMBERSI BASED ON THAT' I DONTT THINK AT TH]S PO]NT THE CONSULTANTS NUMBERS CAN BE AS SOLID AS WE THINK THEY ARE. WE MAY BE IN FOR A REALLY NASTY SHOCK WHEN THE DIG]TAL WATER METER START TAK]NG ALL THE
WATER UP IF THIS PASSES THROUGH AND IT TURNS OUT WE ARE ALL PAYTNG FAR FOR MORE FOR WATER. WHICH ]S FINE IF YOU COULD FILL YOUR SWIMM]NG POOL' GREAT' MOST PEOPLE CAN'T. SO, YEAH. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, OL]VER FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF' PLEASE? >> THANK YOU.
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NEXTIVA GO OUT TO ZOOM. SU' CAN
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GO AHEAD, PLEASE
] HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS RESPONDING TO WHAT THE PEOPLE HAVE SA]D' SOMETH]NG AS ]MPORTANT AS DOUBLING HOOKUP RATES THIS YEAR. DOUBLING IN ANOTHER COUPLE OF WEEKS AND ]NCREAS]NG AGA]N OVER THE NEXT 3 TO 4 YEARS AND YOUI MAYOR R]CH, PUSH TO HAVE A 10 M]NUTE PRESENTATION ] UNDERSTAND YOU ON A TIMELINE TO GET THE MEETING DONE BY 10:30. THIS TOPIC' THIS PUBL]C HEARING AND THE RATE PAYING RESIDENTS OF SEBASTOPOL DESERVE A SEPARATE , STANDALONE PUBLIC HEARING TO D]SCUSS TH]S AND SHARE WHAT THIS MEANS FOR PEOPLE. OLIVER JUST MENT]ONED --
WE ARB GO]NG TO ASK PEOPLE IN THE ROOM TO PLEASE BE QU]ET SO WE CAN HEAR OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE A
RECESS AND WE WONIT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS ]TtrM. THANK YOU. NEXT PUBLIC
COMMENT PLEASEI MARY'
WILL CONTINUB? >> PLEASE, THANK YOU, SU. PLEASE CONTINUE. ] WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS DISCUSSION PUSHED TO A SEPARATE STANDALONE
NOTIFIED ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING WHERE YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY RECEIVE MORE THAN 44 WRITTEN PROTESTS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE IS MORE THAN 44 PEOPLE WHO PROTEST THIS. BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM STRUCTURED WELL. LETIS SEE I HAVE GOT THROWN OFF THE]R. I AM TRY]NG TO F]ND MY NOTES THERE' MORE ]MPORTANTLYI ] T,H]NK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE RATES ARE ACTUALLY ONLY PAY]NG FOR MA]NTAIN]NG AND PROV]DING SERVICES. THESE SERVICES HAVE BEEN UNDERFUNDED ]N PAST YEARS BY THE C]TY DIVBRTING FUNDS TO OTHER PROJECTS AND DEPARTMENTS. CATCHING UPI AND ] SAY THAT''I TO DO WHAT WAS ]NTENTIONALLY NOT FUNDED ]N THE PAST YEARS SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE COSTS OF ]NCREASED RATBS. TO PROVIDE AND CONDUCT ONGOING MAINTENANCE' TNSTEAD']TAPPEARSITISFILLINGABUDGETGAPCAUSEDBYPASTBUDGETING DEC]SIONS AND AS YOU MUST BE AWARE' THE STATE SUPREME COURT ]N 2021 FOUND FOR APPELLANTS AND NULLIF]ED THE RATE INCREASES FOUND BY THE CITY OF FLOR]N WHEN THE C]TY CANNOT SHOW THAT THERE NEW RATES DID NOT EXCEED WHAT WAS NEEDED TO RUN THE]R DEPARTMENTS. CAN YOU SHOW THAT THESE NEW RATES SUPPORT ONLY THE COSTS OF MY ONGOING AND CURRENT MA]NTENANCE AND NOT BACKTRACK]NG TO FILL THE BUDGET GAPS CAUSED BY PAST COUNC]LS? THANK YOU' THANK YOU, SUE, FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I W]LL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS ]FTHEREISANYONEINCHAMBERSTHATWOULDL]KEToMAKEACOMMENT.SEEING NONE| WE WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. MARIA' YOU CAN MAKE YOUR COMMENT' PLEASE.
1 JUST WANT TO SPEAK UP AGAIN IN SUPPORT OF OUR BUSINESS COMMUNTTY ' THE CHAMBER CURRENTLY REPRESENTS 281 BUSINESSES IN SEBASTOPOL. I HAVE YET TO HEAR FROM ONE BUS]NESS OWNER THAT ]S IN SUPPORT OF THIS A LOT OF THEM ARE STRUGGLING TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN ANYWAY AND ]F TH]S ]S THE STRAW THAT BREAKS THE CAMELS BACK AND IT ]S 11 B]LL THAT THEY CAN'T BAY PAY AND THEIR DooRSHAVEToCLOSE,THATISSOMETHINGTHATNEEDSToBECONS]DERED, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL 'S NUMBER ONE SOURCE OF REVENUE ]S SALES TAX. INVIT]NG TAURUS AND WORKING W]TH COUNTY TOURS AND ON BREAK]NG
PBOPLE TO SEBASTOPOL AND BRANDING OUR TOWN , YOU TAKE THEM THROUGH A WALK
THROUGH DOWNTOWN AND EVERY THROUGH DOORS' YOU SEE AN EMPTY LOT OR A CLOSED BUSTNESS THAT ]S NOT A GOOD LOOK. SO JUST TO KEEP THAT ]NTO CONSIDERAT]ON AND THTNK ABOUT THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. MYRIAH, FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS IF THERE IS ANYONE THAT WOULD L]KE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS HEARING. SEB]NG NONE, I WOULD GO BACK TO ZOOM. MARY' CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? MARY, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF/ PLEASE? OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? ] CAN HEAR YOU. CAN YOU SEE THE T]MER? YESI I CAN' THANK YOU. THE C]TIZENS D]D NOT GET US INTO ANY DEBT. WE WERE PAYING OUR WATER BILLS FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GOTNG TOWARDS WATER, BUT THE CITY WAS S]PHONING SOME OF THAT OUT AND US]NG ]T TO PAY THEIR C]TY B]LLS. AND SO NOW, WE ARE BEING ASKED TO PAY MORE EVEN THOUGH WE ALREADY PA]D THEM THE AMOUNT AND MY OTHER POINT ]S' WE ACTUALLY
HAVE WELLS THAT VIRTUALLY DO NOT RUN OUT OF WATER EVER. EVEN DURING THE DROUGHT. THAT IS ALL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. MARY, FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT' I W]LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. ]F THERE ]S ANYONE ]N CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBL]C COMMENT. SEEING NONE, I WTLL GO BACK OUT. IT IS iPAD 3. cAN YOU UNMUTE youRSELF. PLEASE? iPAD 3, cAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF| PLEASE? MARY/ D]D WE ALREADY HEAR FROM THIS INDIV]DUAL ON THIS INDIVIDUAL TTEM? I THINK WE DID. OKAY. WE DID. YES. SO, iPAD 3/ WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD FROM you/ so wE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON. MARY GOURLEY' ANY OTHER DIRECTION? I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS ]F THERE IS ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC HEARING --PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PUBL]C HEARING. SEEING NONE' ONE LAST TIME TO GO OUT TO ZOOM. SEE]NG NONE| PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED' OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE SOME QUEST]ONS THAT WE CAN ANSWER WHEN WE COME BACK, BUT WE ARE GO]NG TO TAKE A QUICK BIO BREAK AND LETIS MAKE IT QUICK. FIVE MINUTES. NO MORE. sof wE WILL COME BACK AT 830' PLEASE' I THE EVENT rS ON A RECESS. THE SESSION W]LL RECONVENE AT (8:30PM PDT).
CAPT]ONER ON STANDBY. ]
OKAY. SO, I AM GOING TO THROW OR THE THUMBS UP. THUMBS UP FROM 19 AND STAFF. ARE WE READY TO ROLL? >> YES?
YES. OKAY. WE ARE CALLING THE MEET]NG THAT ORDER HERE AT 8:30 P'M' WE ARE IN THE MIST OF ]TEM NUMBER -_LET'S SEE. NUMBER NTNE. THE PUBL]C HEAR]NG ON PROPOSIT]ON 218. WE HAD PUBL]C COMMENT SUBSTANT]AL PUBLIC COMMENT' 1 HAVE A COUPLE OF ]TEMS ] WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT WERE RA]SED BY THE PUBLIC AND I ENCOURAGE THOSE WHO DONIT GET ANY QUEST]ONS ANSWERED HERE TO AGA]N REACH OUT TO MARY GOURLEY AND SHE CAN GET ANSWERS FOR YOU' THAT IS MGOURLEY G CITYOFSEBASTOPOL . GOV
WE DO HAVE PAYMENT PLANS IN PLACE. IF ANYONE OUT THERE HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE PLANS. HOW DO THEY FIND OUT ABOUT THEM? >> AND IT ls ALSO JUST A LOW ]NCOME -- >> WE HAVE THE LOCAL LOW ]NCOME THAT WE POSTED ON THE WEBS]TE. WE ALSO HAVE PAYMENT PLAN THAT PEOPLE CAN F]LL OUT OR CALL THE OFFICE.
CALL THE OFF]CE. AND THE PHONE NUMBER AGAIN IS 107_823-7863.
IS THAT CORRECT? YOU CAN ALSO WALK ]NTO THB OFF]CE AND THAT WTLL BE HELPFUL. THE POINT REGARD]NG A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, COULD WE DO TH]S MORE SLOWLY, MORE GRADUALLY? OPT]ON TWO IS THE OPTION THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE C]TY COUNC]L ADOPTED IN ORDER TO MAKE TH]S MORE GRADUAL. RECOGNIZTNG OF COURSB THAT ]T IS STILL A BURDEN FOR THE COMMUN]TY. IN TERMS OF THE $17 MILL]ON AMOUNT THAT SARAH GOURLEY MENTIONEDI IT IS NOT FUNDING THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL TO ADDRESS. IT ]S WATBR OR SEWER ISSUES THAT WOULD BE GREAT BUT WE DON'T QUALIFY. IN TERMS OF THE PROTEST, IT WASNIT REQUIRED THAT IND]VIDUALS COME TO THIS MEET]NG TO PROTEST. THEY WERE PROV]DED ]NFORMATION THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO SEND TN LETTERS TO PROTEST. IS THAT ACCURATE, MARY GOURLEY AND DON? YES? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND DANTE DELP READY TO CON ANYONE INTO SUPPORTING THE W]RELESS
WATER METERS, THE INFORMATION WAS PRESENTED TO THE C]TY COUNC]L AND THE C]TY COUNCIL MADE A GROUP DEC]SION. PM] PM] DID ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS
AT THE LAST --THERE WERE QUESTIONS RAISED BY COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS ABOUT
THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS OUT DOING EXAMINATION OF THE COVERS OF OUR METERS AND THAT ]NFORMAT]ON, THOSE ANSWERS WERE PROVIDED BY STAFF PROMPTED BY COUNCILMEMBER MC LEW]S AND THAT INFORMAT]ON ]S AVAILABLE ON THE VIDEOTAPE OF THAT MEETING. AND ANYONE WHO WAS TRACKTNG THE T]ME DOES THAT THE PRESENTAT]ON ON THIS EVENING TONIGHT REGARDING THE WATER AND SEWER RATES WAS NOT LTMITED TO 10 M]NUTES IN FACT' WE HAD A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTAT]ON THAT WENT WAY BEYOND THAT AND PROVIDED A DEPTH OF DETAIL THAT I FOUND ]NTERESTING AND USEFUL. FINALLY I WAS HOPING TO GO ]NTO OUR CITY ATTORNEY , LARRY MCLAUGHLIN, JUST TO GTVE US A QUICK --BECAUSE ] THINK THERE IS A NEED TO PLEASE THEIR. A QUICK REMINDER OF WHY WE NEED A SUBSTANT]AL AMOUNT OF MONEY ]N TERMS OF THE DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE TO OUR WELL 7, I THINK IT WAS. WELL 4. I'M SORRY. AND f'M soRRY, I AM GOING TO DEFER TO COUNC]LMEMBER H]NTON. I THINK SHE CAN BE CLEAR ON HER QUESTION AND WE WILL GO DOWN THE LINE W]TH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM OTHER COUNCILMBMBERS. >>
SA]D THAT WE HAD DAMAGED WELLS IN THE PAST AND WE HAD SETTLED AND WE GOT COMPENSATION FOR THOSE. THAT WAS, FOR MANY YEARS' AND I YOU SPOKE TO IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING BUT A MEMBER OF THE PUBL]C ASKED ABOUT IT SO ] THOUGHT YOU SHOULD RESPOND TO THAT.
THANK YOU/ COUNC]LMEMBER H]NTON
D]D WANT ME TO --
PLEASE DO. BRIEFLY.
WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT DETERM]NAT]ON EVENTS AT WELL 4. EACH ONE WAS GASOL]NE RELATED PRODUCTS. THE OTHER WAS DRY CLEANER RELATED PRODUCTS. IN EACH
CASE, WE HIRED OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL AND RECEIVED WHAT WAS DESCRIBED THEN AND NOW AS VERY GOOD FTNANC]AL SETTLEMENTS FOR BOTH OF THOSE. MOST RECENTLY, WE WERE USING WELL FOUR TO CONTINUE TO FILTER OUT CONTAM]NAT]ON THAT ]S OF A DIFFERENT SORT FROM THE DRY CLEANERS AND WE ARE BEING COMPENSATED FOR THE USE OF THAT WELL.
GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU, COUNC]LMEMBER H]NTON' FOR RAISING THE QUESTION. DISCUSSTON AMONGST THE COUNCTLMEMBERS ON THrS ITEM.
ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? COUNCILMEMBER HINTON' GO AHEAD. ] D]DN'T EXPECT TO GO FIRST BUT ANNA, WOULD YOU MIND PULL]NG THAT SL]DE UP? ] JUST WANTED TO SAY AGA]N BECAUSE IT FELT LIKE WE HAD A LOT OF QUEST]ONS AND I THINK THAT WE HAD ADDRESSED. ] DONIT KNOW HOW MANY MEETINGS WE HAVE HAD ON THIS BUT ] TH]NK THREE OR FOUR' AND ] THINK NOBODY WANTS TO PAY MORE FOR ANYTHING. WE ARE ALL STRUGGL]NG. BUT IT WAS FUNNY'
ACTUALLY, THE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE RATES THAT STARTS WITH SEBASTOPOL BEING $115 AND HAS US GO]NG UP TO $151.
THERATESWERECOMPAREDTODIFFERENTJURISD]CTIONS?
YES. TWO OTHER JURISD]CT]ONS. ] THINK WE NEED TO PULL THAT BACK UP. THE REALITY ]S WE HAVE EIGHT AG]NG THE STRUCTURE DOWN HERE AND WE COOKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BE ]N 2019 BECAUSE OF COMPLAINTS AND WE LOOK AT WHAT OUR
RATEPAYERS HAVE BEEN PAYING/ WE HAVE BEEN ON THE VERY, VERY LOW SIDE AND ]S GO]NG TO COME UP IN A MINUTE. ]T ]S UNFORTUNATE.
THAT ]S THE ONE
T JUST WANT TO PO]NT OUT AGA]N WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE WETRE AT RIGHT NOW WITH 115 AND WHERE WE ARE GOING AND MANY COUNCILS HAVE IT ON THE]R AGENDA.
IN FACT, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GOOGLE AND I DlD THIS LOOKING IN APRTL OF TH]S YEARI IT SA]D A CALIFORNIA MAP SHOWS WHERE PEOPLE WOULD SEE HUGE INCREASES AND WATER BILLS TH]S YEAR. EVERY JURISDICT]ON IS FACING WHAT WE ARE FACING. THAT ]S AG]NG AND STRUCTURE. I KNOW FOR ME PERSONALLY SPEAK]NG, MY HOME IS MY BIGGEST ASSET THAT I HAVE THAT I W]LL RELY ON.
SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP TONIGHT REVERSE MORTGAGE TO HELP THEM GET THROUGH RETIREMENT. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SEWER AND WATER AND OF THE ]NFRASTRUCTURE TO GET THAT TO OUR HOMES AND BUSINESSES. ] MEAN' T DONIT L]KE ]T ANYMORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE BUT I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT. ] DONIT KNOW WHAT ELSE CAN DO. NOT RA]SE THE RATES? NOT FIX THE PIPES? NOT F]X WELL FOUR? I JUST REALLY HAVE TO SAY THAT. ] DTDNIT WANT TO RAISE THE RATES E]THER BUT WE HAVE TO. ] DON'T SEE ANY OTHER OPT]ONS AND WE HAVE BEEN D]SCUSSING THE BEST WAY TO DO IT OVER MULTIPLE MEET]NGS AND MULT]PLE DISCUSSIONS INTERESTED, WITH THE BEST SOLUTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, THANK YOUI COUNC]LMEMBER HINTON, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BECAUSE OTHERW]SE I W]LL BE A MOTION AND SOME ACTION HERE . ITM SORRY, COUNC]LMEMBER MAURER' BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE ACTION WERE REQUIRED TO DO IS TO APPROVE THE RATES? MARY GOURLEY? THAT 1S OKAY. WE WILL GO TO COUNCILMEMBER MAURER. GO AHEAD, ]IM SORRY.
] UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE ]NFRASTRUCTURE THAT OF COURSE NEEDS UPGRAD]NG AND THE RATES THAT WERE SET. THE LAST RATE SETTING WERE INADEQUATE FOR OUR NEEDS. THE PLACE WHERE I JUST CAN'T GET OVER IT, THE PRESENTERS SAID THAT THE KEY OBJECTIVES INCLUDED F]NANC]AL STABILITY' AFFORDAB]LITY, CONSERVAT]ON, AND FA]RNESS ]N RATES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WASTEWATER RATES FOR THE FOUR CREST RES]DENCEI I JUST CANNOT SEE HOW THAT IS FAIR AT ALL.
YOU ARE GOING FROM RAISING THEIR RATE, AND ] UNDERSTAND THIS IS 86 RESIDENCE THERE WERE 86 TRAILERS THERE. YOU START A'I I27 6 TH]S YEAR. THAT IS THEIR CURRENT RATE AND THE NEXT YEAR, ]T JUMPED TO $6300. THE NEXT YEAR, rT rs g7o0,0oo AND rT GOES uP TO $9000. so, rT rs GorNG FROM $1200- $go0o. To ME, THAT rs NoT FArR. r DON'T SEE ANY FATRNESS rN THAT. r WOULD PROPOSE IF THE COUNC]L WOULD BE W]LL]NG TO DISCUSS TH]S, TO COMB]NE THE THREE ]NCH RATE W]TH THE FOUR INCH RATE. SO THE FOUR INCH, INSTEAD OF GOING Up TO 5000, rT WOULD GO FROM $1200-$2000. so WHAT r AM LooKrNG AT rS THE CHART ON PAGE ONE OF THE STAFF REPORT. PAGE ONE OF 86 AND INSTEAD OF CHARGING FROM $1200-$5000, JUST Do THE THREE INCH AND FOUR INCH IN THE SAME RATE HIKES.
OKAY. THANK YOU.
THAT IS MY PROPOSAL. >> THANK YOUI COUNC]LMEMBER MAURER. IF WE COULD ALL EXPRESS OUR OPINIONS AND LETIS GO AHEAD AND WRAP TH]S UP.
YES. ] WANTED TO SAY I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE.
THE NEED FOR -- WE HAVE FEELING IN FOR STRUCTURE. ] UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT AND FORG]VE ME I HAVE A NEW PRESCR]PTION SO I'M HAVTNG A HARD TIME. THE
CHALLENGE ] HAVE, ] UNDERSTAND THE DEF]CIT. I UNDERSTAND THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH WELL FOUR AND ALL OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE. 1 ALSO UNDERSTAND ]N MY OP]NION FROM THE PAST, THE C]TY HAS BEEN IN MY OPTN]ON REMISS WITH NOT DO]NG THE ALLEGAT]ON STUDIBS AND THEY UNDERSTAND TN THE PASTI WE D]DNIT RA]SE THE RATES BECAUSE OF COMPLAINTS BUT WE ALSO DIDNIT TRY TO REMEDY ANYTH]NG BY REDO]NG ALLOCAT]ON STUD]ES AND TH]NGS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. AND THE FAIRNESS FACTOR ]S HUGE FOR ME. BE]NG A
BUSINESS OWNER HERE AND HAVING HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES' MANY DO NOT FEEL LIKE THAT ]S BEEN D]SCUSSED ENOUGH AND THE ]MPACT THAT HAS ON THEMI FOR EXAMPLE THE LAUNDROMATS AND THE HA]R STYLISTS AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT BUS]NESSES THAT UTIL]ZE A LOT OF WATER. THERE IS A LOT OF ANGER OUT THERE AND THEY DO NOT FEEL LIKE THIS IS FATR AND THE B]GGEST CHALLENGE ] HAVE WITH THIS ]S THE PROCESS TS IMPORTANT TO ME AND 1 FEEL L]KE FROM THE VERY BEG]NNING, TH]S HAS NOT BEEN DONE WELL BY US. IT ]S NOT OUR
FINEST MOMENTS AND FOR PAST HISTORY WITH NOT DOING THE ALLOCATION STUDY IS
NEEDED SALES DISTRUST AND FRUSTRATION WITH US AND FOR US TO CONTINUE TO PERPETUATE THAT IS SO UNFORTUNATE. ] JUST WISH THTS WAS DONE BETTER AND ANOTHER IS A C]TY MANAGER'S AND STRESSED TO ME / HE W]SHED HE COULDIVE GIVEN US MORE OPTIONS. AND ] DO TOO. AND I JUST, AT TH]S PO]NT' HAVING LISTENED TO SO MANY BUSINESSES, I JUST CAN'T SEE HOW THIS ]S FAIR TO ANY OF THEM AND ] KNOW THAT ] HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE TIERS ]N THE PAST AND THERE HAVE BEEN A VAR]ETY OF DIFFERENT EMAILS COM]NG OUT SHOWING THAT PERHAPS, THE RATE WOULD NOT BE QU]TE _-THE RATE MAY ACTUALLY BE CHEAPER FOR SOME AT THE THREE T]ERS, BUT AT THTS POINT, ]T IS SO FRUSTRATING TO ME THAT I WISH THAT OVERALL IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE D]FFERENT AND I APPRECIATE THE SUGGESTION T,HAT YOU MADEI COUNCILMEMBER MAURER, BECAUSE ] DON'T HAVE A CLEAR SUGGESTION BUT ] DO SEE THAT I KNOW THE LAUNDROMAT ARE ]N THE THREE AND THE FOUR INCH AND THAT COULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR THEM. ]N A T]ME WHERE WE NEED BUSINESSES TO BE MAK]NG MONEY. NOT PAYING OUT MORE MONEY TO US BECAUSE WE DID NOT DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE ]N THE PAST. ] JUST CANIT VOTE FOR ]T AND ] UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS HERE IN OUR STRUCTURE BUT THE WAY WE HAVE GONE ABOUT fT , ] CAN APPROVE.
SO I AM REPRESENT]NG THE BUSINESSES ]N TH]S CITY. ] JUST CAN'T DO IT AT TH]S POINT. SO, THAT IS WHERE ] AM AT.
THANK YOU/ COUNCILMEMBER MC LEWIS. VICE COUNCILMEMBER, DO IOU WANT TO WE]GH IN ON THIS?
THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. IT ]S A D]FFICULT SITUATION. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, BUT ] DO ECHO A LOT WHAT COUNC]LMEMBER H]NTON SA]D. SITTING THROUGH TH]S AND READING EVERYTHING FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS' f DONIT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO. WE CAN'T JUST NOT DO ANYTHING. WE HAVE TO DO THIS AND HOPEFULLY ]T WILL TURN OUT BETTER THAN WE THOUGHT. ] DONIT KNOW. WE CAN ALWAYS RETEST TH]NGS BACK. I JUST DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT E,LSE WE CAN DO AND DO]NG NOTHING IS DEF]NITELY NOT AN OPT]ON. ] AM AN BUS]NESS OWNER
TOO AND I HAVE BROKEN AT LEAST A FAIR SHARE OF BUSTNESSES AND THEY ARE LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT EITHER BUT IN THE SAME TOKENf I DON|T WANT THE cTTy TO GO BANKRUPT ETTHER SO YOU DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. SO AGAIN' I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE. I FEEL LIKE WE ARE SMART GROUP OF PEOPLE AND IF SOMEBODY COULD'VE PRESENTED A D]FFERENT OPT]ON THAN TH]S, f AM THINKING THEY PROBABLY WOULD'VE SO ] AM ]N FAVOR OF TH]S.
OKAY. THAT BRINGS EVERYONE'S EXPRESS THAT THEY ARB PUTTING IN. I APPRECIATE THAT, HOPEFULLY THE PUBL]C UNDERSTANDS THAT WHAT YOUIRE HEARING
ARE VERY CONCERNED COUNCILMEMBER IS BECAUSE THIS ]S A REALLY ]MPORTANT ]SSUE. WE HAVE ADDRESSED TH]S OVER THE COURSE OF ] THINK FIVE MEET]NGS' ]S THAT CORRECT, MARY GOURLEY? FIVE MEETINGS? >> F]VE MEETINGS INCLUDING TONIGHT. >>
BUT ALSO FROM THE PUBL]C. BUT ONE THAT I HAVE TO ECHO ]S COUNC]LMEMBER MC LEW]S'WfSH 1T WERE HAD BEEN DONE BETTER. YES. ] W]SH ]T HAD BEEN DONE BETTER, BUT P]CKING UP ON VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN'S COMMENT' WE ARE WHERE VIE ARE AND THIS 1S ECHOED BY THE COMMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBER HINTON' WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AND WE HAVE AG]NG PIPES AND WE HAVE AN ESSENT]AL NEED AND I AM CONFIDENT THAT THAT NEED ]S A REAL NEED THAT CAN'T BE DELAYED BY CONTINUING TH]S PROCESS. SO, AS MUCH AS IT PAINS ME ' AS MUCH AS IT PAINS ME, I HAVE TO SUPPORT THESE RATE H]KES. ] ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO' ] FEEL IT IS THE RIGHT TH]NG FOR THE CITY AND IT ]S A HARD DECISTON' BUT THAT 1S WHY WE ARE VOTED INTO MAKE THE HARD DECIS]ONS THAT PROVIDE STABILITY FOR TH]S TOWN. SO, I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION OR I AM HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTTON' OKAY' ] WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION AND ]'M SORRY, THIS ]S A PUBLIC HEAR]NG' ]T APPEARS THAT --AND IIM SORRY. CITY MANAGBRI DO YOU HAVE SOMETH]NG NEEDED TO SAY?
NOT BEFORE. T HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS AFTER A SUGGESTED MOTION ]N THE PACKET.
I DO SEE THAT. ]T SAYS CONDUCT THE PROPAGATION TO 18 AND DETERMINE THE
OFFTCIAL NUMBER OF PROTESTS ON WASTEWATER INCREASES AND I THINK WE CAN CONFIRM THAT THAT HAS BEEN REPORTED AS 44. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY' SO THEN' THAT WOULD BE PROTEST VOTES ARE BELOW 5OZ OF THE OWNER OF PROPERTY OWNERS' I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUT]ON AMENDTNG THE NAFTA FEE SCHEDULE FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES AS PROPOSED ]N THIS STAFF REPORT' MARY GOURLEY' IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE MOT]ON OR DO WE NEED YOU ONCE AGAIN TO RESTATE ]T' CAN ] STICK THE MOT]ON AND YOU CAN LET ME KNOW? WELLI DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
WELL, LET ME STATE THE MOTION FIRST AND SEE IF YOU ACCEPT IT' YOU HAVE DETERM]NED THAT THE NUMBER OF WRITTEN PROTESTS RECE]VED IS 44' WHICH IS BELOW THE VALID PROTEST APPROACH AND BELOW 5O%. YOU ARE ADOPT]NG THE RESOLUTION, ADOPTING THE 2024 WASIEWATER RATES' ADOPTING THAT RACE WATER WATTS FOR FISCAL YEARS 2425 TWO FISCAL YF,AR 2829 MAKING FINDINGS OUT OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACTI AMEND]NG THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE FOR THOSE RATES W]TH THE CURRENT PROPOSAL OF OPT]ONS TO WATER ]N OPT]ON TWO WASTEWATER.
YES. THAT ]S MY MOTION. I AM LOOK]NG FOR A SECOND.
SECOND.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MARY GOURLEY. >> SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AMEND]NG THI1 24 WASTEWATER REPORT AND ADOPTING THE WASTEWATER RATES POR FISCAL YEARS 2425 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2829 AND MAK]NG THE F]NDINGS UNDER CEQA AND AMENDING THAT FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE OPT]ON TO WATER IN OPTION TWO WASTEWATER. COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. >> AYE' COUNCTLMEMBER MAURER. >> NO.
COUNCTLMEMBER MCLEW]S. AYE. >>
AND COUNCTLMEMBER MCLEWIS IN OPPOSTTION. >> THANK YOU| MARY GOURLEY'
oKAy. so. THrs IS MOVING TO THE NEXT ITEM. THIS rS ITEM NUMBER 10 ON OUR AGENDA TH]S ]TEM ]S ASK]NG US TO DO -- ]IM SORRY. ].T. NEEDS US TO -- MUTE YOUR MICROPHONE. NO. THAT lS WEIRD. OKAY. SO, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ALONG WITH ITEM NUMBER 10. THIS TTEM ]S REGARD]NG THE CITY ATTORNEY ]NTERVIEW FOLLOW-UP AND NEXT STEPS. WE ARE BEING PRESENTED WITH VARIOUS OPTTONS AND THIS ]S BE]NG PRESENTED BY DEBORAH MUCHMORE OF MUCHMORE CONSULTANT AND IOWA STATE ]T ]S IS A FOLLOW-UP TO OUR TNIT]AL INTERVIEWS OF FOUR APPLICANTS FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY SLOT' CORRECT? THAT TS CORRECT. >> I AM GOING TO KEEP YOU TO 10 MINUTES OKAY. GOOD EVEN]NG, MADAM MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER
GOOD EVENING. )) SO, THE C]TY STAFF HAD CONDUCTED A RFQ ON REQUEST OF THE C]TY COUNC]L FOR TERMS THAT APPLY TO THAT RFP. THEY ALL MET THE CRITERIA ON JUNE 4th ]NTERV]EWS WERE SCHEDULED AND THE COUNSEL FROM 9 A.M. TO 3: OO AND AFTERNOON INTERVIEWED THE FOUR FIRMS AND THIS MEETING IS TO ALLOW D]SCUSSION REGARD]NG THOSE INTERVIEWS TO COUNSEL CAN EITHER APPROVE AN
APPOINTMENT TONIGHTI THEY CAN DIRECT STAFF TO ARRANGE FOR THEM TO CONDUCT SECOND ]NTERVTEWS THOSE THE SECOND ]NTERV]EWS CAN BE DONE IN CLOSED SESSION ACCORD]NG TO AN EXCEPTION IN THE BROWN ACT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COUNC]L TO ASK QUEST]ONS RELATED TO LEGAL STRATEGIES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH
LEGISLATIVE MATTERS, PERSONAL MATTERS AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WE WOULDNTT WANT TO DO IN THE OPEN SESSION ]NTERV]EWS. THEY ALSO CAN RECHECK ALL PROPOSALS AND D]RECT, STAFF TO ]SSUE A NEW REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR THE ATTORNEY SERV]CES. SO I AM GOING TO STEP AWAY AND ALLOW YOU TO D]SCUSS, I WILL STAY CLOSE.
GREAT. WE WILL START OUT WITH QUEST]ONS FROM COUNC]LMEMBERS AND GO OUT TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY QUESTTONS FROM COUNC]L MEMBERS AT THIS PO]NT? NO? OKAY. I THINK WE GO OUT TO PUBL]C COMMENT AND WE WILL COME BACK FOR DISCUSSION. >> THIS IS PUBLIC, FOR THE AGENDA ITEM ON THE CITY ATTORNEY SERVICES. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, T WOULD GO TO IN CHAMBER F]RST AND THEN OUT TO ZOOM. KYLE?
H]. CUR]OUS ABOUT THE PROCESS HERE. IT ]S MY CURRENT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY W]LL BE RETIR]NG SOMET]ME WITH]N THE NEXT FEW WEEKS' BUT HERE WE ARE WITH IN THAT WINDOW OF A FEW WEEKS MAK]NG A B]G DEC]S]ON ABOUT THE DTREqTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO W]TH LEGAL SERVICES. THE AMOUNT OF
TIME THAT WE AS A CITY HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY RETIREMENT HAS BEEN A LONG, LONG TIME| AND YET HERE WE ARE ONCE AGA]N MAKTNG AN 1lth HOUR DEC]SION. IT IS MY HOPE THAT UNLIKE MOST OF THE PUBL]C COMMENT THAT ] HAVE MADE TH]S EVENING THAT COUNSEL CAN ADDRESS THE CONTINUED APPROACH OF MAKTNG 11th HOUR DECTSTONSf LARGE-SCALE FTNANCTAL DECTSTONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUN]TY TO REVISIT BECAUSE OF THE CRUNCH DEADLINE. ]F WE DON'T MAKE A DEC]SION TON]GHT, WHAT IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN? WE W]LL BE W]THOUT LEGAL REPRESENTATION IN LESS THAN 2 TO 3 WEEKS. SO, PLEASEI IN THE FUTURE TRY, TRY TO MAKE DECIS]ONS ]N A T]MELY MANNER THAT DONIT PUSH US TO
A POINT OF MAKING DECISIONS THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR OUR C]TY AS A RESULT OF A TIMELINE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, KYLE, FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENTS. ] WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM. ADAMANT' CAN YOU AND BE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
I HOPE I UNMUTED. >> YOU ARE UNMUTED. AND I HOPE YOU CAN STILL SEE THE T ]MER.
I DO. >> THANK YOU. GO AHEAD.
MY COMMENT ABOUT THIS IS THAT ALMOST ALL OF THE PROCESS TO H]RE A F]RM TO REPRESENT THE PLACEMENT FOR LARRY McLAUGHL]N HAVE BEEN UNDER CLOSED SESS]ONS AND SO THE PEOPLE HERE KNOW ALMOST NOTHING ABOUT WHO HAS BEEN INTERV]EWED OR WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN INTERV]EWED --WELLI WE KNOW WHEN BUT WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT SO I GUESS MY MA]N QUEST]ON ]S, HOW CAN WE BE EXPECTED TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT SOMETH]NG WE KNOW NEXT TO NOTH]NG ABOUT? THAT IS ALL. THANKS. >>
COME BACK ]NTO CHAMBERS ]F THERE ]S ANYONE THAT WOULD L]KE TO MAKE A PUBL]C COMMENT. SEEING NONE, I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM. ROBERT, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF/ PLEASE?
DTD IT WORK? >> IT WORKED. CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
T CAN
GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> ] ECHO ADMINIS, THAT I HOPE THERE WILL BE A PRESENTATION BEFORE WE GOT TO PUBL]C COMMENT. SINCE IT WAS DONE ]N SECRET, WE HAVE NOTHING TO SAY, BUT HEY, ] AM HERE. THE ONE THOUGHT ] HAD THAT ]
JUST DON'T WANT TO KILL MYSELF AND BEAT MYSELF ON THE HEAD IF YOU DO THIS WITHOUT HEARING WHY YOU D]D ITI TWO OF THE FIRMS ] THINK WERB FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND ]TM TRY]NG TO IMAGINE WHAT THE COST ]S OF HAV]NG ATTORNEYS DRIVE OR FLY FROM SEV]LLE SOUTHERN CALIFORN]A TO SEBASTOPOL TO ATTEND A MEET]NG OR DEAL WITH SOMETHING THAT ]S AS COMPLEX THAT THEY CANIT JUST DO ]T ON ZOOM. ] DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD ACCEPTED THE APPLICAT]ONS FROM SOUTHERN CAL]FORNIA. ONE OF THE F]RMS BARELY ADDRESSED THE K]NDS OF ISSUES THAT YOU GUYS TO DEAL W]TH ALL THE TIME. ] AM HOPING THAT 1S NOT
THE ONE YOU PICKED AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS A LTTTLE EXPENSIVE BUT COVERED EVERYTH]NG. I DON'T ENVY YOUR DECISION I WOULD LTKE TO HEAR A LOT MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT BEFORE WE HAVE PUBL]C INPUT BUT, THANK YOU.
THANK yOU, ROBERT. NEXT I WILL COME INTO CHAMBERS. ALL OVER HrS? >> THERE WAS ACTUALLY AN OPEN DOES NOT YOU COULD ATTEND THE ]NTERVIEWS. T DIDN'T SEE THEM BUT PRESUMABLY THERE ARE AND ] CARVE. -- THE OPTIONS. TO SOME OF THE PO]NTS THAT WERE MADEI YOU KNOW/ APPROVE THE APPO]NTMENT COUNSEL CAN APPO]NT TO THE CLOSED SESS]ON OF THE REPORT AND ]NTO OPEN SESS]ON AND IT IS ALL VERY OPAQUE AS PEOPLE HAVE SAID ON ZOOM. r DONTT REALLY KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. IT ]S A BIT L]KE ATTENDING SOME OF THE BUDGET MEET]NGS
LAST YEAR WHERE YOU LISTEN INI YOU LISTEN AND LISTEN BUT YOU CANIT KINDA FIGURE OUT WHAT THE IS GOING ON BECAUSE YOU'RE SO CONFUSED. SO SOME SORT OF EXPLANATION WOULD REALLY HELPFUL TONIGHT ]F THAT IS REALLY POSSIBLE ON WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT CAN HAPPEN NEXT. SO, THANK YOU. THAT ]S MY COMMENT.
THANK yOU, OLIVER, FOR YOUR PUBLIC,. I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM. LTNDA, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? THANK YOU, LINDA. GO AHEAD W]TH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE. >>
CITY COUNCIL THE MAYOR SPECIFICALLY GETTING OUT OF TOWN OR CONSULTANTS . OUT-OF-TOWNERS TO WEIGH IN ON TH]S CITY ON WH]CH THEY KNOW NOTH]NG OF SO ANYWAY, THERE IS THAT AND ALSOI KYLEIS VERY ]NSIGHTFUL COMMENTS ABOUT WATTTNG TILL THE LAST MINUTE TO COME UP W]TH THE DECIS]ON AND AMONG
THOSE LINES, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT ONCE AGAIN THAT THE MAYOR, AFTER DECIMATING OUR POL]CE DEPARTMENT BY BULLYING THEM TNTO QUITT]NG, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THE RET]REMENT OF OUR CURRENT POL]CE CHIEFBYTHEENDoFTHEYEAR-->>LINDA'STAYoNTOP]C.WEARETALKTNG ABOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY INTERVIEWS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU' ANYWAYI JUST
WATCH AND WAIT UNTIL THE VERY FINAL YEAR --VERY FINAL MONTH OR TTME BEFORE NELSON RETIRES. ]T IS A REAL SHAME THAT WE HAVE GOT AN OUT OF TOUCH MAYOR , DESTROYING THIS TOWN W]TH HER STUPID DECISIONS.
CANYoUPLEASEKEEPoNTOPIC.WEARETALKINGABOUTTHECTTYATTORNEY INTERVIEWS HERE. THANK YOU, LINDA. >> I WISH YOU WOULD RESIGN. PLEASE' WE USED TO HAVE A PEDOPHILE.
I INAUD]BLE - OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS I >> I'M GOTNG TO HAVE TO HAVE YOU REMOVE HER COMMENTS ABOUT PEDOPH]LE. THAT ]S NOT ACCEPTABLE' THAT IS VERY DISRUPTIVE. THANK YOU, LINDA. IN THE FUTURE' PLEASE' LETrS NOT DO THAT' MARY?
THANK YOU, LINDAI FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXTI I W]LL COME BACK IN CHAMBERS. IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS, SEEING NONE, I WILL GO BACK TO ZOOM. KATE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF' PLEASE? >> YES. THANK YOU' MY PUBLIC COMMENT IS TWO FOLD. THE FIRST PART OF MY PUBLTC COMMENT IS THAT IT SEEMS L]KE THERE ]S NO GOALSETT]NG ]N TERMS OF -- I DID NOT HAVE TTME TO WATCH THE ]NTERV]EWS IN THE OPEN MEETING' BUT THE SCOPE THAT IS L]STED UNDER THE BACKGROUND SECTION OF THE AGENDA ITEM HAS VERY GENER]C TYPES OF GOALS WHEREAS IN FACT, THE CITY IT'S SELF HAS A HfsToRY' FOR INSTANCE' WITH PROBLEMS WITH EMPLOYEES DOING THE CITY AND ALSOI WE ARE OBVIOUSLY ]N AN ACLU LAWSU]T THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT BY SOME OF THE RES]DENCE OF HER RISING S]GN. AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE SPECIFIC NEEDS AS A CITY THAT ARENIT QU]TE AS GENERALIZED AS THIS. AND SO ] AM A BIT CONCERNED THAT YOU ARE NOT SEEK]NG CANDTDATES THAT ARE SPEC]AL]ZED IN THE AREAS WHERE SEBASTOPOL SEEMS TO HAVE THE MOST L]TIGATION AND THEN, SECONDLY' AS A CITIZEN OF
SEBASTOPOL, IT SEEMS LIKE THE CTTY IS LOOKING FOR COUNSEL THAT REPRESENTS THE C]TY TTSELF, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE ]NTERESTS OF THE CITIZENS SO WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL TIMES ]N THE PAST WHERE THE COUNCIL HAS A CERTAIN AGENDA AND THEN OUR PAST CITY ATTORNEY K]ND OF TOOK FORTH W]TH THAT' FOR INSTANCE ON MOORE STREET WHERE 1T WAS CONT]NUOUSLY SA]D WE COULDN'T HAVE PARKING REGULATIONS UNTIL FINALLYI LARRY ADM]TTED WE COULD HAVE PARK]NG RELATIONS ON MOORE STREET AND THEN, SECONDLY THE ]SSUE W]TH THE WATER AND ALLOCATION STUDIES. ] DON'T REALLY FEEL THAT THAT THE C]TIZENS WERE BEING ADVOCATED FOR. AT THE CITY WAS JUST ADVOCATING FOR ]TS SELF. THANK YOU' THANK YOU, CATE, FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT' T W]LL COME BACK IN CHAMBERS. ]F THERE'S ANYONE ]N CHAMBERS THAT WOULD L]KE TO MAKE A PUBL]C COMMENT PERIOD ON THTS ITEM.
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THOSE FOUR F]RMS WERE INTERV]EWED HERE. IT WAS A RECORDED MEETING' IF ANYONE ]S INTERESTED IN DOING IT IS RECORDED ON THE WEBSITE' JUST TO GIVE
US STRUCTURE, MY THOUGHT ]S TO GO THROUGH A FORMAT THAT WOULD BE NUMBER ONE, DO WE WANT TO DISMISS ALL CANDIDATES? NUMBER TWO' DO WE WANT TO INVITEALLoFTHEMBACKFoRANADDITIONALCLOSEDSESSIONTHENWECANGo INTO OTHER PERMUTATIONS. COMMENTS FIRST? ] DON'T KNOW WHO RATSED THEIR HAND FIRST. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER COUNC]L MEMBER MCLEWIS AND PLEASE MAKE ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT.
YOU SA]D A DISMISSAL OR BRING ALL BUT A QUESTION I HAD WHEN I WAS READ]NG ALL TH]S WAS, SHOULD WE BE TRYING TO NARROW 1T DOWN BECAUSE IN MY M]ND
THAT IS WHAT I T'HOUGHT BUT I JUST WONDERED WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT '
SOME OF THE REASON IT TS A ],ITTLE VAGUE ]N THE INSTRUCT]ONS WAS BECAUSE THE OPEN SESS]ON YOU HAD DID NOT ALLOW FOR YOU IS A COUNSEL TO HAVE A DISCUSS]ON ABOUT THE INTERV]EWS AND WHAT YOUIVE HEARD FROM THE DTFFERENT F]RMS, SO THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBL]C BECAUSE ] THTNK THERE WAS ONLY ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT ATTENDED THAT MEET]NG TO HEAR YOUR DISCUSSIONoUToFTHOSEfNTERVIEWS'SoTHATISTHISOPPORTUNITYNoWToDo
THAT AND OUT OF THAT , HOPEFULLY SOME CLARITY WILL COME AS TO WHAT YOU M]GHT WANT TO DO AND THEN ] DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QU]CK STATEMENTS' ONE IS
THAT THE CITY USES A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LEGAL FIRMS OR LEGAL SERVICES '
SPECIALTYF]RMSFoRLABORRELATIONS'FoRLITIGAT]ON,D]FFERENTTHTNGS L]KE THAT. THE C]TY ATTORNEY IS ACTUALLY DESCRTBED IN GOVERNMENT CODE' AND ]TS PURPOSE IS TO ADVISE CITY OFF]CIALS IN ALL LEGAL MATTERS PERTA]NING TO CITY MATTERS, FRAME AND ORDINANCE OR RESOLUT]ON REQUIRED BY THE LEGISLAT]VE BODY, PERFORM OTHER LEGAL SERV]CES REQU]RED FROM T]ME TO TIME BY THE LEG]SLATIVE BODY AND THAT ]S UNDER CODE 41802 ]F ANYONE TS INTERESTED, AND THE COUNCIL TS ALLOWED TO APPOINT THE C]TY ATTORNEY AND
SETS THE SALARY FOR THEM, SO I'M GOING TO AGAIN ALLOW YOU TO HAVE A D]SCUSSION.
OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. DEBORAH. SO YEAH/ I UNDERSTAND YOUR SUGGESTION' ]'M GOING TO ASK JUST A BASELTNE QUESTION HERE BECAUSE I THINK TT W]LL HELP US, AND IF NO ONE ]S READY TO APPROACH THIS IN THIS WAY' LET ME KNOW' MY FIRST THOUGHT IS, 1S ANYONE FEEL]NG THAT WE SHOULD _-TS ANYONE HERE FEELTNG THAT WE SHOULD NOT CONS]DER ANY OF THESE FOUR APPLICANTS? IS ANYONE HERE FEtrLING THAT WAY? OKAY' ] THINK THAT ]S ]MPORTANT' TS ANYONE HERE FEELING THAT WE SHOULD DO ADD]TIONAL INTERVIEWS WITH ALL FOUR APPLICANTS? OKAY, PBRFECT. THATIS WONDERFUL. SOMEWHERE ]N THE MTDDLE THERE -- OKAY. AND YES, GO AHEAD , COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER.
] WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING MORE T]ME To GET To KNOW THE D]FFERENT FfRMS, BUT IS THERE A COST TO INTERVIEW THEM? DO WE PAY' FOR EXAMPLE' THE FEE FOR THEM TO FLY UP HERE OR THEM TO DRIVE HERE? IS THERB A COST? soRRY, I DID NOT MEAN TO TAKE OVER FROM YOU. THERE IS NO COST TO THE CITY' ]F THEY COME UP FROM SOUTHERN CAL]FORNIA THEY PAY THE]R OWN AIRFARE' HOTEL AND MILEAGE. WB DO NOT NEED TO HAVE THEM COME UP TO ]NTERVIEW WTTH US' OKAY'WEWILLJUSTGoDoWNINTOQUESTIONS.VTCEMAYOR.
THANK YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP IN. ] _- YES' SOMEBODY HAD MBNTIONED
SOMETHING ABOUT WHY YOU WOULD EVEN ENTERTAIN LAW FTRMS THAT ARE WAY OUT OF YOUR AREA, DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY ]DEA ABOUT THE ]SSUES THAT WE FACE' AND THE PRACTICALITIES IN THIS COUNTY. FOR THAT VERY REASON, THE ONLY ONE OUT OF
ANY OF THESE THAT I WANT TO HAVE BACK FOR SECOND INTERVTEWS AND TN-DEPTH QUEST]ONS THAT WE COULD HAVE IN A CLOSED SESS]ON ABOUT LITIGAT]ON TACTICS'
ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS/ IS REDWOOD PUBLIC LAW AND THE REASON T SAY THAT ]S THE FACT THAT FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN DIALING IN' ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD FROM' AND ] CAN SAY SPEC]FTCALLY WE ARE
GOING TO NEED THEIR ADVICE SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR ALL THESE SPECIFIC REACHER -- REASONS. THAT ONE MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO ME BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW US SO THEY'VE ALREADY RESEARCHED A LOT OF OUR ]SSUES, SO I DEFTNITELY WOULD WANT TO HAVE THEM BACK AND HONESTLY ] WILL MENTION THE ONE ADAM AND MCNALLY JUST BECAUSE TTIS CARRfE MCNALLY AND I REALLY LIKE HER AND REALLY APPREC]ATE HER DOING THIS BUT ] AM SORRY' BEING SOMEBODY IN THIS AREA, YOU CAN'T MANAGE WHAT LEGAL YOU DONIT KNOW TH]S ]S NOT A SLAM , TH]S IS JUST MY UNDERSTAND]NG BECAUSE SHE WAS GOING TO COME AND PRESENT THEM REPRESENT US ON ONE SINGLE ISSUE AND THEN BR]NG ]N OTHER PEOPLE IN THE SPECIALIZED AREAS TO MANAGE. YOU CANNOT MANAGE WHAT AREA YOU DON'T KNOW IN_DEPTH.
OKAYI COMMENTS AND SUPPORT OF REDWOOD LAW AND KIND OF KNOW ] WOULD LTKE TO SEE US RANK THEM BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE' YOU KNOW' MAYBE THAT'S A POSSIBTLITY. WE ARE ALL GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND ] WANT TO BE FAIR, NOT JUST L]KE HAVE YOU KNOW, SIT HERE AND DO COMMENTARY' ]S THAT POSSIBLE?
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DECIS]ON TON]GHT? AS OPPOSED TO BR]NGING THEM BACK
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PARTICULAR STRoNG COMMENTS oN THEM YAY oR NAY? >> 1 WOULD ]NTERVIEW THEM AGAIN.
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THAT,, ]S THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD WANT TO REINTERV]EW ADAM' DOLLY? OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. >>
OKAY, SO WE HAVE TOLENTINO I YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE INTERVIEWED AGAIN IIM CHANG]NG MY VOTE. ] WOULD INTERV]EW ALL OF THEM.
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] KNOW. IT'S KIND OF -- CAN YOU SHARE, MAYBE? AND WH]LE WE ARE WAITING FOR THAT, ANYONE WANT TO BR]NG BACK THE FOURTH ONE? ] HEAR COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER FEELS WE SHOULD BRING THEM ALL BACK. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. APPRENT]CE HALL WAS A YES WE HAD TWO YESES AND IIM SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER MCLEWIS' IS TH]S WORKTNG?
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FOR ME IT WAS REDWOOD AND McNALLY BECAUSE I DONIT THINK WE NECESSAR]LY HAVE TO HIRE ONE FIRM THAT DOES EVERYTHING. ] WOULD RATHER HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERTS IN THE]R FIELD. ] MEAN, WE ALREADY DO THAT ALREADY SO IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE THAT MUCH OF A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WE DO ALREADY HAV]NG ALREADY WORKED W]TH SOMEONE. I TH]NK THERE 1S VALUE IN THAT.
YEAH, SO, I HEAR YOU AND I AM ]N FAVOR OF BR]NGING THEM ALL BACK BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE SHOULD D]SCUSS HERE WHETHER THERE ARE THREE VOTES I IF THERE ]S ANYONE HERE WHO ]S ALREADY DECIDED THAT THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO GO WITH, FOR INSTANCE, THE FIRST F]RM.
I WTLL, I DO NOT WANT TO INTERVIEW ANYONE OTHER THAN REDWOOD OKAY, THAT'S CLEAR FROM THE VICE MAYOR. I AM ]N FAVOR OF INTERVIEWTNG ALL FOUR. COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER ]S ]N FAVOR OF INTERVIEW]NG ALL FOUR.
I WTLL DO ALL FOUR. OKAY, SO I HAVE THREE VOTBS FOR INTERVIEW]NG ALL FOUR. ]S THAT CORRECT? SO THAT ]S ]T UNLESS --DO WE NEED A MOT]ON FOR THAT? f THINK THE DIRECT]ON IS CLEAR AND 1 THINK THAT IS ENOUGH FOR NOW.
OKAY THEN ANY OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING THESE FOUR FIRMS ANYONE HERE WOULD IIKE TO SHARE BEFORE WE CLOSE UP TH]S TOPTC?
JUST FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT SAID WE REALLY DfDNIT MAKE COMMENTS. EACH OF THE F]RMS ARE QUAL]F]ED AND HAVE GOVERNMENTAL EXPERIENCE. WE JUST NEED TO MEET THEM MORE THAN ONCE TO GET TO KNOW THEM SO YEAH, IT WAS AN INIT]AL SET OF QUESTIONS AND THAT IS ALL WE REALLY HAVE TO RECORD AND ]T IS PUBLIC AND IT'S ON THE WEBS]TE AND THERE YOU HAVE IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DEBORAHI ANYTH]NG ELSE YOU WANTED TO SHARE W]TH US?
THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO ANSWER, ABOUT THE T]MELTNE OF THE RET]REMENT GO AHEAD, ]F YOU COULD BRIEFLY PLACE
VERY BRIEFLY, THE CITY HAS F]RMS THERE UNDER CONTRACT W]TH THAT COULD SUPPORT THE C]TY DUR]NG ANY PERIOD OF TIME IT TAKES TO MAKE A CONSCIENT]OUS AND THOUGHTFUL DEC]S]ON.
THANK YOUI AND I W]LL CONEIRM ON BEHALF OT THE ENT]RE CITY COUNCTL THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE ]NTENT]ONAL , CONSC]ENTTOUS, WELL THOUGHT OUT DECISION AND WE ARE NOT GO]NG TO RUSH THROUGH ]T, CLEARLY. THANK YOU. WE WILL CLOSE OUT THAT ]TEM. THANK YOU FOR THAT D]SCUSS]ON AND ] HAVE TO APOLOG]ZE TO OUR CITY MANAGER BECAUSE WE CLOSED OUT THE LAST ITEM DESP]TE THE FACT THAT ] TH]NK YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO COMMENT TO US ABOUT THE WATER AND SEWER ITEM.
THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THAT, IF ] COULD JUST WAIT UNT]L CITY MANAGER COMMENTS TO MAKE SURE THERE IS TIME AT THE END.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE NOW DONE W]TH THAT ITEM AND MOVING ON TO THE BUDGET. THIS WOULD BE THE BUDGET CONTINUATION ]TEMI THAT 1S ]TEM NUMBER
1I, AND I'M HOPING TO GET US THROUGH THIS BY NO LATER THAN 10:00 SO THAT WE CAN FIN]SH OUR FINAL ITEM BUT WE W]LL DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE PUBLlC.
THANK YOU, APPRECIATE THAT. BASICALLY TONIGHT WE ARE ASK]NG FOR A FEW ACTTONS TO ALLOW US TO CONT]NUE OPERATING UNT]L WE HAVE A FINAL ADOPTED BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, WHICH WE ANT]CIPATE W]THIN THE FIRST TWO MONTHS. THE FIRST ACTION ]S TO CONT]NUE APPROPRIAT]ONS I WH]CH ]S BAS]CALLY TO SPEND FOR CITY OPERAT]ONS CONTRACT AND STAFF -RELATED EXPENSES FOR EXAMPLE SO WE CAN BASICALLY KEEP ON GOING. SECOND IS TO EXTEND SOME CONTRACTS THAT ARE EXP]RING ON JUNE 3oth. THERE ARE THE S]X THAT ARE L]STED BEFORE YOU. WE HAVE A SEVENTH IDENT]F]ED THAT T WOULD ADD TO THAT LIST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT COVERED. THIRD ]S WE HAVE WHAT YOU MIGHT TH]NK OF AS A MODEST ADJUSTMENT FOR THE NAP YOUR NE]GHBORHOOD PROGRAM, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTAND]NG, KIND OF A GL]TCH ]N LAST YEARIS BUDGET THAT IF YOU WANT TO CONT]NUE THAT FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, THE SAME LEVEL AS EVERYBODY ELSE TO MAKE TH]S MODEST ADJUSTMENT AND F]NALLY THAT WE WOULD NOT TRANSFER $100,000 To THE RESERVE WHICH WAS AND rS rN THE BUDGET FOR FY 2023-24. WE THINK KEEPING THAT ]N THE CITIES FUND BALANCE, A LITTLE MORE LIQUID, ]S THE WISE THING TO DO. STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT AND OUR F]NANCIAL ADV]SER CONCURS ]N THE BUDGET COMMITTEE CONCURS WITH THAT, AS WELL. THOSE ARE THE ACT]ONS BEFORE YOU AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUEST]ONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ] WOULD ASK THAT THE BUDGET COMMITTEE WE]GH IN ON THIS BUDGET CONTINUAT]ON ]TEM. ANY COMMENTS?
WE DEF]N]TELY HAD DISCUSSIONS AND I CONCUR WITH STATEMENTS MADE BY THE GENERAL MANAGER.
AND SIMILARLY FROM --THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBER McLEWIS. >> IS THAT WORK]NG?
YEAH, NOT REALLY. WHEN THE PROBLEM IS, THOSE ON ZOOMER NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU. )) SO, T KNOW I HAVE ASKED THIS AND I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A CLEAR ANSWER. WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES OR PENALTTES ON THE 60 DAYS ? I TH]NK ]'VE MENT]ONED THAT BEFORE BUT D]D NOT HAVE A CLEAR -- I KNOW THERE ]S AN AUD]TOR ISSUE BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU GO BEYOND THE 60 DAYS LIKE FOR SOME REASON WE NEEDED TO?
rROM .-I DONIT THINK A C]TY ATTORNEY CAN WB]GH IN ON THIS BUT I DONIT TH]NK THERE ARE ANY PUNISHMENTS OR NEGAT]VE CONSEQUENCES, PENALT]ES, THOSE SORTS OF TH]NGS. THERE ]S DATA WE HAVE TO PROVIDE UNLESS WE GET A WAIVER FROM THE COUNTY AUD]TORIS OFFICE TO PROV]DE ESSENT]ALLY THE BUDGET INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD BE CONTINUfNG, BUT THAT ]S MY UNDERSTAND]NG. I WOULD SAY FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECT]VE BUT ALSO A BUDGET FINANCIAL PERSPECT]VE IT DOES MAKE IT A L]TTLE MORE CHALLENGTNG FOR EXAMPLE, WE ARE GOING TO REDUCE THE CONTRACT OR IF YOU WANT TO HOLD A POS]TION VACANT OR FILL IT , ]T DELAYS THAT DECIS]ON SO IT CAN BE A LITTLE HARDER TO MAKE THE NUMBERS ADD UPI DEPEND]NG ON HOW LONG THAT TAKES. THE SUMMER WILL CONT]NUE RIS]NG. WE WILL CONTTNUE TO OPBRATE BUT ] WANT TO DEFER TO THE C]TY ATTORNEY.
THANK YOU. THE C]TY MANAGER JUST SUMMAR]ZE THE ]NFORMATION DEVELOPED FOR THIS ITEM WHICH IS AGA]N, THERE ARE SOME PROCEDURE HOOPS TO GO THROUGH
POTENTIALLY WITH THE COUNTY AUDITOR AT THE END OF THE 60 DAY PERIOD BUT ] WOULD ADVISE THAT THE ADM]N]STRAT]VE SERV]CES D]RECTOR SHOULD D]SCUSS THAT WITH THE AUD]TORI S OFFICE, AS IT IS POSSIBLE TO OBTAIN A WA]VER.
OKAY, FOLLOW UP QUESTIONI THE ASSUMPTION HERE ]S THAT THERE IS A 60 DAY EXTENS]ON SO WE WOULD NEED TO GET A NEW BUDGET ]N PLACE WITH]N 60 DAYS , WHICH WOULD BE BY SEPTEMBER 1?
YES, AUGUST 31st
THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUEST]ONS? COUNC]L MEMBER HINTON YOU MENT]ONED THE SEVENTH ]TEM BUT I D]DNTT HEAR YOU SAY WHAT ]T WAS.
DW CLEAN]NG. THEY DO CLEAN]NG FOR US. TH]S ]S THE CONTRACT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MANAGES AND WE JUST DID NOT HAVE THAT INFORMAT]ON ]N T]ME TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE L]ST,
OKAY/ ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THTS --ANYTHING OTHER THAN KW CLEAN]NG NEED]NG TO BE ADDED?
METHOD WE ARE AWARE OF BUT I CERTA]NLY WOULDIVE HOPE THAT WE WOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT.
ANY OTHER QUEST]ONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS BEFORE WE GO OUT TO THE PUBL]C ? WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUN]TY WHEN WE BRING IT BACK.
THANK yOU, MAYOR. TH]S rS PUBLTC COMMENT FOR THE CONSTDERATTON OF THE CONTINUATION OF THE BUDGET FOR TWO ADD]T]ONAL MONTHS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WE GO TO IN CHAMBER FIRST THEN OUT TO ZOOM. ]N THE AGENDA ITEM IN THE H]GHLIGHTED RED FONT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE F]RST PAGE WHICH MAKES INDICATION OF PARTICULAR ATTENT]ON TO THE EXPLANAT]ON AND IMPACTS COLUMN. ]N THE SPREADSHEET THAT FOLLOWS THERE ]S NO EXPLANATION IN THE ]MPACTS COLUMN. I DO KNOW THERE WERE SOME PREV]OUS BUDGET COMM]TTEE
AGENDIZED ITEMS THAT DID HAVE SPREADSHEETS THAT HAD EXPLANATIONS AND IMPACTS. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE COLUMNS ON THE
SPREADSHEET IN TONIGHTIS AGENDA ITEM AND IF THERE IS ANY SORT OF COUNC]LMEMBER CONFUSION AS TO THAT COLUMN AND WHERE ]T WENT OR WHERE THEY MIGHT F]ND THOSE COLUMNS ON THE EXIST]NG SPREADSHEET AND TONIGHT ITEM.
THANKS.
MARY, DID YOU HAVE -_
] TH]NK WHAT YOUIRE LOOKING AT, KYLE, IS THE REPORT OUT FOR THE COMMITTEE. ]S IT THE ROLL]NG DOCUMENT , THE T]TLE OF ]T THAT YOUIRE LOOKTNG AT? THE AGENDA TTEM TONIGHT ]S TALKING ABOUT THE RESOLUTION FOR THE CONT]NUAT]ON ON A BUDGET.
ALL RIGHT, I GOT A LITTLE MORE T]ME, BECAUSE THE VERY LAST THING 1 W]LL MENT]ON IS THAT THAT TH]NG WAS ADDED TO THE AGENDA AT SOME POINT TH]S EVEN]NG WHTCH ALSO ]S CONCERN]NG TO ME BECAUSE MOST OF THE AGENDA ]TEMS WERE POSTED BY THURSDAY BUT ]N TH]S ]TEM TS APPEARING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LTST OF TON]GHT'S AGENDA THAT HAPPENED AT SOME POINT LATER TODAY.
OKAY, SO THE COMET APPEARS TO BE REGARDING THE BI]DGET COMM]TTEE REPORT OUT.
you ARE CORRECT. JUNE 6, IT IS A RECAP OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE SO 1T WAS
POSTED TONIGHT FOR THE COMMITTEE REPORT OUT AT THE END OF THE MEETING SO IT WAS NOT DONE UNTIL LATE MONDAY , SO IT IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM ]TSELF. IT IS JUST THE WRITTEN REPORT OUT FOR THE COMM]TTEES.
THANK YOU, MARY. 1T LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM ZOOM YES. NOW WE W]LL GO OUT TO ZOOM.
T THINK IIM IN MUTED AGA]N
YOU ARE. PLEASE GO AHEAD WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT PER]OD ] WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TH]S OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS A HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE ]N THE AB]LITIES OF OUR RBLATTVELY NEW C]TY MANAGER, ] THINK WE COULD PROBABLY TAKE WHAT HE SAYS 15 SOMETHING THAT IS A REASONABLE PROPOSIT]ON AND MOVE FORWARD BASED ON THAT. ] DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH H]M BUT I TH]NK HE ]S DO]NG A GREAT JOB AND T WANTED TO COMMEND HIM FOR THAT.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. ] CAN ] WTLL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS ]F THERE ]S ANYONE WHO WOULD L]KE TO MAKE A COMMENT SAYING THAT ] WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM.
PLEASE MUTE. MOV]NG ALONG/ AGA]N, THIS IS FOR PUBL]C COMMENT ON THE BUDGET CONTTNUATION. IF YOU WOULD L]KE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR MUTE THE PHONE. SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
ALL R]GHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE BACK AT THE COUNSEL TABLE HERE FOR D]SCUSS]ON AND CONS]DERATION OF TH]S CONT]NUAT]ON OF THE BUDGET ]TEM.
COMMENTS FROM ANYONE?
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY , ] ASKED THESE QUESTIONS JUST BECAUSE T KNOW IT IS A HERCULEAN EFFORT TO TRY TO COORD]NATE ALL OF OUR SCHEDULES, MARY, SO THAT IS WHY ] WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE 60 DAYS, BECAUSE ] KNOW THINGS HAPPEN AND EVERYTH]NG BUT WE TRULY THANK YOU FOR THE EFFORT ]T TAKES TO COORD]NATE ALL OF US HERE. ]T ]S A LOT. FOR ALL OF US TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS WHEN WE NEED TO FOR THE BUDGET' SO.
AGREED. ANY COMMENTS ? IF NOT, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THIS fTEM.
ANYONE WANT TO TAKE THE IN]TIATIVE HERE? AND THANK YOU ALSO TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE FOR THE HARD WORK. ]T IS REALLY REASSIJRING.
T WILL MAKE A MOTION.
WOULD YOU WANT MARY TO STATE IT?
THE MOTION WOULD BE TO ADOPT A RESOLUT]ON CONTINU]NG THE APPROPRIAT]ONS THAT PROVTDES AUTHOR]TY FOR THE F]SCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1St, 2024 AND ENDING JUNE 30th | 2025 AT THE SAME LEVEL AND AMOUNTS FOR ALL FUNDS AS APPROVED ]N THE ADOPTED FISCAL YEAR BUDGET 2023-2024 FOR 60 DAYS WITH AN Page57 of78
ADDITIONAL $1500 pER NEIGHBORHOOD FOR TOTAL APPROPRIATIONS OF $4,106,500 TO ENSURE THE UNINTERRUPTED CONT]NUATION OF MUNICIPAL SERVICES , IMPROVING
EXTENSIONS AND DIRECTTNG STAFF NOT TO TRANSFER THE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR ALLOCAT]ON OF FUNDS AT THIS TIME. >> WITH THE ADDITION OF CONTRACT THAT WOULD BE TO KW CLEAN]NG. ]S THAT CORRECT? DO WE NEED TO HAVE OUT THAT SPECIF]CALLY TO THE MOTlON?
THE RESOLUT]ON, ] BELTEVE, IS FOR THE EXPIRING CONTRACT, SO I BELIEVE THAT COVERS -- I THINK ACTUALLY, LET'S ADD THAT ]F WE COULD TAKE THAT MODIF]CAT]ON TO ADD PUBLIC POL]CE DEPARTMENT CONTRACT' AS WELL.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KW CLEANING CONTRACT? I GUESS THAT IS A MOD]FICATION TO THE MOT]ON. ]S THE MOVER ACCEPT]NG OF THAT?
] W]LL SECOND THAT.
GOOD. GOT THE SECOND. READY FOR THE ROLLCALL VOTE
THANK YoU. SOME OF MY COUNCIL MEMBER MCLEWIS AND SECONDED BY COUNC]L MEMBER MAURER TO APPROVE THE CONTINUAT]ON OF THE BUDGET AS ] JUST STATED IN THE MOTION.
COUNC]L MEMBER HINTON
YES
COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER >> YES
COUNCIL MEMBER MCLEW]S >> YES
VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN
YES
MAYOR R]CH
yEs. ALL RIGHT, THE cITy WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE. THAT IS FABULOUS. OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 12. TH]S IS THE RECONS]DERATION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION AND CONTRACT WITH ST. V]NCENT DEPAUL REGARD]NG CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF GRAVENSTE]N COMMONS.
THERE IS NOT MUCH TO THE PRESENTATION THAT ]S A RECONS]DERATION REQUEST OF TWO COUNC]L MEMBERS. THE RECONSIDERATION AND REPORT PROV]DES UPDATED POTNTS FOR THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE SPRING. THE ONE PO]NT THAT ] D]D NOT KNOW IF IT WOULD BE RELEVANT OR NOTI WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT THE COUNTY $3 M]LLION OFFER TO BACKUP THE. 2.2 MILL]ON OF THAT ]S AVAILABLE THROUGH THE END -_I'M SORRY, THROUGH JUNE OF 2026 AND THE SOO,OOO FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR BEYOND THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SHOULD COVER THE CONSTRUCTION PERTOD FOR THE PROJECT AND THAT THE DOLLARS, IF NECESSARY , CAN BE AL]GNED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE SO WHILE THE BOARD OT SUPERV]SORS HAS NOT ACTEDI THEY GENERALLY DO APPROVE RECOMMENDAT]ONS FROM STAFF ALONG WITH SLIDES. THAT ]S THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO ADD TO WHAT 1S ]N THE REPORT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUEST]ONS . fIM LOOK]NG FOR QUEST]ONS UP HERE AND THEN WE W]LL GO OUT TO PUBLIC COMMENT. GO AHEAD, COUNCIL MEMBER H]NTON I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT RECONS]DERAT]ON. THIS WAS BROUGHT WHO VOTED ONE WAY. IS THAT THE RULE AS LIKE A PO]NT OF ORDER OF
RECONSIDERATION THAT HAS TO BE BROUGHT BY SOMEBODY WHO DID NOT D]FFERENTLY ON THE INITIAL OR CAN IT BE BROUGHT BACK BY ANYBODY KNOWLEDGE?
BY SOMEBODY
OR VOTED
FOR FUTURE
TH]S ]S NOT A ROBERTS RULE TYPE OF RECONSIDERATION THAT WOULD BE TO RECONS]DER THE EXACT SAME AGENDA ITEM YOU HAD BEFORE. TH]S ]S A DIFFERENT AGENDA ]TEM. THIS ITEM ]S TO GENERALLY SPEAKING RECONSIDER THE TOPIC ]N V]EW OF CHANGED CIRCUMSTANCES , SO ]T ]S A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM THAN WHAT YOU LOOKED AT LAST TIME EVEN THOUGH THE BASICS MAY BE ]N PARALLEL , YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR D]FFERENT REASONS SO IT IS NOT A TRUE QUOTE UNQUOTE RECONS]DERAT]ON ON THE ROBERTS RULES ARE SIM]LAR. >> AND, ROBERTS RULES ARE STILL WITHIN 24 HOURS, R]GHT?
THATIS RIGHT. THAT ST]LL MAKES ]T VERY DIFF]CULT TO DO THAT SO YES, THATIS THE RULE. >>
]'M JUST WONDERING ]F THE C]TY ATTORNEY COULD EXPOUND MORE ON THAT QUESTION WE RECE]VED REGARDING THE CONFL]CT OF INTEREST YdU HAD MENT]ONED
EARLIER YOU WOULD ADDRESS WHEN WE CAME TO THIS ITEM VERSUS THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING.
SOME OF THAT ]S SORT OF A HYPOTHET]CAL AND IS NOT 1OO% CLBAR FOR WHAT IT REFERS TO BUT IF ] WOULD STATE MY ASSUMPTION THEN ] WOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION.
WE RECEIVED A PUBLIC COMMENT ASKING THAT AS WELL SO SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS ITBM COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT?
ALL COUNCILMEMBERS GENERALLY SPEAK]NG W]TH REGARD TO THE ]TEM OF THE PROJECT CHUNKY PROJECT AND THE STATE CAL]FORNIA IS A WORD ET CETERA, THAT ITEM HAS BEEN SEEN BY ALL FIVE COUNCILMEMBERS PREV]OUSLY IN ALL F]VE
COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE A POSITTON ON THAT ITEM BECAUSE YOU VOTED ON IT IN THE PR]OR COUNCIL MEET]NG, SO IN THAT SENSE, ALL FIVE COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE HAD A POSITION ON THIS ]TEM ]N THE PAST. THE CHANGED C]RCUMSTANCES GENERALLY SPEAK]NG / THREATENED LITIGATION SO AS WE RETURN THE ]TEM TO YOU DONE BY TWO COUNCILMEMBERS WHO HAVE REQUBSTED ]T SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THERE THAT WOULD LEAD TO A CONCERN THAT COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE PREJUDGE THE ]TEM OR ARE NOT TREATING THE ]TEM TH]S EVEN]NG WITH AN OPEN MIND TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT THEY HEAR TH]S EVENING. ] SEE NO EVIDENCE THAT IS NOT THE CASE. ] TH]NK THESE COUNC]LMEMBERS ARE GO]NG TO BE LOOKING AT THIS A NEW BASED ON THE PRESENT C]RCUMSTANCES IN THAT SENSE, THERE IS NO PREJUDGMENT. THERE IS ALSO NO CONFL]CT OF INTEREST. CONFL]CTS OF INTERESTI GENERALLY SPEAKING, HAVE SOME FINANCIAL ASPECT TO THEM, SOME F]NANC]AL GA]N ]S AT STAKE HERE AND ALSO THE PUBLIC OFTEN USES THE TERMS CONFLICT OF TNTEREST LOOSELY, THEY SOMET]MES MEAN SOMETH]NG ELSE L]KE THE COUNC]LMEMBER ALLEGEDLY PREJUDGE THE ITEM/ THAT K]ND OF TH]NGI BUT ] SEE NO EVIDENCE OF ANY CONFL]CTS OF ENTRANCE HERE ]N TERMS OF FINANC]AL ]NTEREST. >> YEAH, BECAUSE THE QUEST]ON WASI CAN THEY ADVOCATE ON BEHALF
OF AN ORGANIZAT]ON ATTEMPTING TO TNTTMIDATE THE CITY BY PUBLICLY THREATENING L]T]GAT ION?
] DONIT KNOW WHAT THE SPEAKER IS REFERR]NG TO
NO, YOU RECEIVED A QUESTION, TOO
I DIDI YES BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT ADVOCACY THEYIRE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THAT ALLEGEDLY OCCURRED THAT WOULD BE A QUEST]ON OF PREJUDGING THE TTEM.
ESSENT]ALLY IF SOMEONE HAS AN ]TEM COMING BEFORE THE COUNCILI THE COUNCILMEMBER AHEAD OF T]ME SAYS I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THAT, THAT A S]M]LAR TO THE COMEDY SOMEBODY ADVOCATED FOR THAT/ THEY M]GHT BE ACCUSED OF HAVING ALREADY MADE UP THEIR M]ND WHEN THE COUNCILMEMBER COMES TO THE MEETING TONIGHT AND SAYS THEY'RE GO]NG TO BE MAK]NG A DECIS]ON BASED ON WHAT THEY SEB AND HEAR THIS EVENING BASED ON ALL THE EVIDENCE AND ]F THEY HAVE AN OPEN M]ND, THAT SETTLES THE QUEST]ON ACCORDING TO LEGAL AUTHORITIES. YOU ARE FREE TO GO AND MAKE YOUR DECISION. >> OKAY, SO IIM GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE ] THINK ]TIS ]MPORTANT. ALL OF US ARE SITT]NG HERE, ALL F]VE OF US. I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT ALL FIVE OF US ENTERING INTO THTS ITEM, THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT ARE APPROACH]NG IT W]TH AN OPEN M]ND, LISTENING TO ALL TH]S D]SCUSS]ON AND TAKTNG A DEC]SION TONIGHT ON THIS ]TEM. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY HESTTAT]ON ABOUT CONF]RM]NG THAT ]S THEIR POS]TION? OKAY/ THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I WOULD HOPE -- DO WE NEED TO DISCLOSE ]F WE HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION AT ST. VINCENT DE PAUL ?
] DONIT THINK SO
TYP]CALLY COUNC]LMEMBERS DO DISCLOSE IF THEY MET WITH AN APPLICANT AHEAD OF TTME.
YEAH, I HAVE MET W]TH JACK [ ]NAUDIBLE ]
YES, TO THE EXTENT THAT IS NECESSARY I HAD CONVERSAT]ONS W]TH JACK T]BBETTS. I TH]NK THAT ]S ACTUALLY CLEAR ]N THE DOCUMENTATION AND EMAILS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE CITY COUNCTL , SO YES. DEFINITELY AND INQUIRING ]NTO THE FACTS UNDERLYING THIS TTEM THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL I HAD CONVERSAT]ONS WITH AND COLLECTED INFORMATION FROM JACK TIBBETTS AS ] D]D FROM LTNDA HOPKTNS AND TTNA RTVERA. ANY OTHER QUEST]ONS? COUNCIL MEMBER McLEWIS.
lIM JUST WONDER]NG FROM JUST A PROFESSIONAL ATTORNEY'S OP]NION, ]S ]T GOOD TO HITCH YOUR WAGON TO SOMEONE WHO ]S ALREADY THREATEN]NG TO SUE YOU? r MEAN| rT JUST SEEMS L]KE REALLY POOR FORM rN GENERAL. T'M JUST SAYTNG LIKE IN LIFE, THATIS A GENERAL RULE FOR ME. ]F SOMEONE IS THREATEN]NG ME FOR WANTING TO SUE ME, ] DONTT HfTCH MY WAGON TO THEM SO f'M JUST ASK]NG YOUR PROFESSIONAL OP]N]ON. AS AN ATTORNEY.
WEIVE HAD A LONG-STAND]NG PRIVATE LAW PRACTICE OVER THE YEARS AND EVERY CASE ]S DIFFERENT. MOST OF MY CL]ENTS WHO WERE SUED CAME TO ME WHEN
SOMEONE WAS THREATENING TO SUE THEM OR SOMEBODY HAD SUED THEM SO ALL THE C]RCUMSTANCES ARE DIFFERENT, T HAVE HAD CL]ENTS TALK ABOUT RESOLVING THE
ISSUES BETWEEN THEM WHEN THE THREAT HAD BEEN OUT THERE AND HAVE HAD OTHER
CL]ENTS IS THAT ]F THEY'RE GO]NG TO THREATEN ME I WILL GO R]GHT TO COURT EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT.
THAT WAS A LAWYER ANSWER. SORRY. IT WAS
] WILL OFFER ON MY OWN BEHALF, AND BEHALF OF COUNCIL MEMBER MAURERI THAT I DID CHECK ]N W]TH OUR C]TY ATTORNEY TO DETERM]NE WHETHER IT WAS ACCEPTABLE FOR ME AS A CITY COUNCILMEMBER TO REACH OUT TO JACK TTBBETTS OF ST.
VINCENT DE PAUL TN ORDER TO COLLECT INFORMATION AND WHETHER THERE WAS A CONFLICT OF ]NTEREST INVOLVED THERE AND I WAS ASSURED THAT THERE WAS NOT' SO I DID MY DUE D]LIGENCE AND MET MY OBLIGAT]ONS AS A COUNCILMEMBER' SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUEST]ONS REGARDING TH]S ITEM? GO AHEAD.
S]NCE WE ARE ALL OFFER]NG, I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD OFFER THAT ] HAVE SPOKEN W]TH JACK TIBBETTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT MANY TIMES, ]NCLUD]NG WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, BUT I HAVE NOT SPOKEN W]TH HIM SINCE THE CTTY RECEIVED THEIR LETTER AND THREAT, SO JUST COMING W]TH AN OPEN MIND HERE' RECONSIDERAT]ON OF THE ITEM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER --WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU BUT ANY -- COUNCIL MEMBER MCLEWIS' GO AHEAD. >>
DEADL]NE -_ THEY SEEM TO HAVE SH]FTED AROUND A LOT AND PR]OR TO THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I D]D MEET W]TH JACK T]BBETTS BUT I D]D NOT --THAT WAS THE F]RST TIME ] HAVE EVER MET HIM AND HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO H]M S]NCE BUT EVEN WHEN ] TALKED TO H]M, ]T SOUNDED WAY BACK THEN THAT THE DEADL]NES
WERE NOT CLEAR AND I ASK FOR THE APPLICATION AND ASKED FOR INFORMATION TO HELP DEF]NE WHAT THOSE ARE BUT I STILL HAVE NOT RECETVED ANYTHING, AND ] HAVE CHECKED MY EMAIL, SO DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL DEADLTNES ARE? I WILL JUST SAY ] AM ASK]NG THIS QUESTION BECAUSE IT ]S VERY CONCERN]NG TO ME ABOUT STAFF TIME AND ] ALLUDED TO NEEDING A CONSULTANT IN THERE AND WHAT IF THAT DEADL]NE IS ]N A WEEK OR TWO AND WE ARE ALREADY IN BUDGET CRUNCH AND EVERYTH]NG ELSE SO WE HAVE NO ]DEA WHAT DEADLINES ARE. WE ARE VOT]NG ON SOMETH]NG YET AGAIN WE ARE BR]NG]NG UP TO VOTE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE OR THE UN]NTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF VOTING FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT WILL ]MPACT US AS FAR AS THE STAFF]NG.
T W]LL , THROUGH THE MAYOR' TAKE THAT AS A QUESTION.
YES BUT I WANTED TO OFFER THAT I DID RECEIVE SOME ]NFORMATION FROM HCD REGARDING THE GRANT FUNDS SAYING THAT THEY WERE ST]LL AVA]LABLE AND THAT
THERE ARE NO HARD DEADLINES IN TERMS OF SIGNING THE STANDARD AGREEMENT
EYE IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN ALL SEE AND NOT JUST HAVE ONE COUNSEL -- YES, I JUST RECEIVED ]T AND ]'M HAPPY TO FORWARD TT
DlD YOU HAVE A RESPONSE?
ANYWAY, CITY MANAGERI
AS BEST AS ] CAN. ] DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINES ARE. ] HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE APPLICAT]ON ]N ANY DETAIL. THE ORIG]NAL HUNKY APPLICATION --ITIS BEEN MONTHS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON EMAILS W]TH THE STATE AND THE]R REQUEST TO GET US DOCUMENTS, ]NCLUDING THE RESOLUTION THAT IS BEFORE YOU TON]GHT AND IN THE SPRING, WE WERE TALK]NG ABOUT TH]S , IT GAVE ME DEADLINES THAT MOVED, ]F YOU WTLL SO WE NEEDED TO GET TH]S DONE BY THE STATE AND WOULD PI]SH REALLY HARD TO GET IT DONE BY THAT DATE AND THEN THE DATE MOVED. ] Page61 of78
DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE SET OF DEADLINES AND I'M NOT SURE THERE IS A DEF]N]TIVE SET OF DEADL]NES THAT THE STATE REQUIRES.
SO, WHAT IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE ON US SAY]NG HYPOTHET]CALLY, IF IT NEEDED TO BE DONE ]N THE NEXT TWO WEEKSI THE NEXT MONTH, BECAUSE ] KNOW HOW BUSY YOU ARE AND EVERYONE ELSE ]S RIGHT NOW W]TH THE DEADL]NES. WE JUST EXTENDED THE BUDGET. WHAT TYPE OF ISSUES MIGHT WE RUN INTO? THE GOAL HERE OR THE PLAN, IF YOU WILL, ]S TO BR]NG ON AN EXPERT TO BE PAID FOR BY ST. VINCENT DE PAUL AND ALSO, WE W]LL NEED TO ENGAGE CITY ATTORNEY TIME AS WELL TO ESSENT]ALLY PERFORM ALL OF THE STAFF FUNCT]ONS, TO BE OUR EXPERT AND TO BE OUR HANDS ON WHO WILL UNDERSTAND DEADL]NES AND
REQUIREMENTS WITH THE STATE, THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO MAJOR LEGAL DOCUMENTS THE COUNCIL WILL NEED TO APPROVE. ONE ]S A REGULATORY AGREEMENT ' AND ] DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS ON THESE THINGS. ANOTHER IS THE STANDARD AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE ]N MY M]ND, THE ACCOUNTS OF THE SAME. F]ND AN EXPERT TO REPRESENT US, BE OUR EYES AND EARS ON THE HANDS-ON PROJECT. WE DON|T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE. ] HAVE A COUPLE OF NAMES ]IVE REACHED OUT TO AND WAS ABLE TO TALK TO ONE OF THEM TODAY WHO IS TNTERESTED ]N SEEMS TO HAVE SOME EXPERTISE. MAYBE SUFF]CIENT TO ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS ]S GOING TO TAKE. ] DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEADLINES ARE IT ]S STEPP]NG INTO A B]T OF AN UNKNOWN. >> I THINK WE HAVE A QUEST]ON FROM V]CE MAYOR ZOLLMAN.
I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS I WANT TO ADDRESS TWO SPECIF]C PEOPLE BUT I DON'T SEE ANYONE HERE FROM ST. VINCENT DE PAUL.
T BEL]EVE JACK T]BBETTS IS ONLINE. JACK, CAN YOU HEAR US AND CAN WE UNMUTE HIM PLEASE?
I CAN HEAR YOU.
SO, JACK, ] HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FASC]NATED BY THIS PROCESS AND THE FACT THAT ]T SEEMS THAT FROM ALL OF THE INFORMATION YOU PRESENTED THAT YOU ARE PRETTY F]NANCIALLY WELL-OFF, SO ] GUESS THE BAS]C QUESTION IS , WHY WOULD YOU BE ASKING TO PA]R W]TH ANYONE IN ORDER TO DRAW DOWN MONEY IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THIS PROJECT? WHY COULDN'T YOU HAVE JUST SELF -FUNDED THIS PROJECT IF YOU WANTED TO?
HCD REQU]RES THAT APPLICANTS NOT BACK FUNDS TS A JO]NT APPLICANT THAT IS A JURISDICTIONAL ENT]TY WITH ENTITLEMENT POWERS, SO SINCE OUR PROJECT IS IN THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL , WHICH I NEED TO STATE IS A PROJECT THAT THE C]TY OF SEBASTOPOL PREV]OUS COUNC]L AND CITY MANAGER ENCOURAGED US TO BUY TO HELP ADDRESS THE MORRTS STREET PROCESS, WE AGREED BY RESOLUT]ON ON MAY 23rd., 2023 TO MOVE FORWARD AS JO]NT APPLTCANTS, SO WE CANNOT PROCEED TO RECEIVE THTS MONEY W]THOUT YOUR PARTIC]PATION AND SIM]LARLY, EVBN THOUGH WE HAVE ACCESS TO A LOT OF ASSET WEALTH THAT WE HAVE ]N REAL ESTATE THAT
WE OWN, IT WOULD NOT BE THE BEST STRATEGY TO ESSENTIALLY GO OUT AND BORROW MONEY AGA]NST OURSELVES FOR 6 M]LLION, $38,000, WHICH IS THE CONSTRUCT]ON
COST THAT WE BUDGETED FROM A CONTRACTOR FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WHEN WE HAVE AN OFFER FROM THE STATE TO GIVE US FTVE GRAND _-BY GRANT' 6.5 MILLION. )) SO, THE OTHER QUESTION IS, WHY DID YOU NOT APPROACH THE COUNTY ON TH]S? I MEAN, THE BASIC PRINC]PLE OF ALL OF THIS ]S THAT HOMELESSNESS, LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE, ]S OR]G]NAL THING SO WHY DID YOU NOT
JUST GO TO THE COUNTY AND TRY TO PAIR UP AND AUDIT IN ORDER TO DRAW DOWN TH]S MONEY?
BECAUSE THE COUNTY OF SONOMA DOES NOT HAVE ENTITLEMENT JUR]SD]CTION WITH]N
THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL,
OKAY/ SO THAT ]S IT, TOO. IF THERE IS SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY T HAVE A QUESTION FOR THEM, THBN DONE THEN MARY.
] DON'T KNOW IF THERE ]S ANYONE FROM THE COUNTY ON THE LINE. THEY WERE NOT ASKED TO BE HERE. GO AHEAD.
I W]LL JUST GO AHEAD AND IF I DONIT
TO THE QUEST]ON.
SEEMS L]KE AND ] CAN GET AN ANSWER
CAN I ADDRESS THAT ON THE ROLE OF THE COUNTY ]N THIS?
FOR JUST A M]NUTE BUT VICE MAYOR, ] TH]NK YOU SHOULD GO AHEAD AND ASK YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE THERE MTGHT BE SOMEONE WHO COULD ANSWER ]T.
YES. BASICALLY/ WHAT I HAVE HEARD IS THE FACT THAT WE TURNED DOWN THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE DIDNIT WANT TO TAKE THE R]SK THEN, I HEAR THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY TS LIKE WOWI YOU TURN THIS DOWN? WELL THEN, WE W]LL COME
TO THE RESCUE OF THIS PROJECT BUT THEN DIGGING DEEPER I THEY ARE LIKE WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT MONEY ]S NOT REALLY THERE SO ] REALLY WANT TO KNOW/ AND IF I DON'T HEAR, THEN I W]LL JUST MAKE IT ]N MY ARGUMENTS AND THE FACT THAT WHY WOULD THE COUNTY OFFER MONEY TO SAVE THIS PROJECT ? WERE THEY JUST WA]TING FOR US TO SBE TF WE WOULD TAKE THE R]SK ]N DOING ]T? ] DON'T KNOW. THAT IS A HUGE QUEST]ON THAT I HAVE, SO THEN ]'M GO]NG TO BRING IT BACK IN WHEN ] GET AN OPPORTUN]TY AGAIN L]KE I SAID ' ] HAVE QUEST]ONS OF DON AND LARRY. >>
QUESTION.
IF I MAY. ON THE COUNTY ROLE, ] WILL TELL YOU WHAT MY EXPERIENCE AND UNDERSTANDING IS. BACK IN THE SPRING WHEN WE WERE EXPLOR]NG TH]S' T D]D ASK THE SENIOR COUNTY MANAGER ABOUT THE POSSTB]LITY OF THEM BEING THE SPONSOR FOR THE PROJECT. THEY HAVE THE OTHER HOME KEY PROJECT IN SEBASTOPOL, SO ] DONIT BEL]EVE THAT THE ENTITLEMENT RESPONSIBILITY IS A BARRIER TO THEM RUNNTNG THE PROJECT. ] BELIEVE THERE ALSO RUNN]NG HOME KEY PROJECTS ]N SANTA ROSA. BUT, HE SAID NO I DIDN'T THINK THE COUNTY WOULD BE INTERESTED AND I BELIEVE THE RAT]ONALE IS ESSENTTALLY THERE HAD THETR HANDS FULL WTTH THEIR OWN HOME KEY PROJECTS AND OTHER RESPONS]BILIT]ES AND
I UNDERSTAND FROM AT LEAST ONE COUNTY MANAGER THAT AFTER THIS COUNSEL MADE OUR DECISION BACK ]N APR]L THAT THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS WITH]N THE COUNTY ADM]NISTRATION I BROADLY DEF]NED ] DON'T KNOW ANY DETAILS ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN ] HAD HEARD THAT THERE WERE SOME CONVERSAT]ONS. oKAy, OTHER QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, I THrNK YOU HAD SOME OTHER OUESTIONS? OKAYI SOUNDS GOOD,
[ ]NAUD]BLE ] OF SOMEONE CLEARLY HAS A VESTED ]NTEREST, L]KE ST. VINCENT DE PAUL OFFERING TO PAY MONEY FOR SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BAS]CALLY ]NTERFACE AND DO THE JOB THAT WE WOULD DO ]F WE HAD THE STAFF TO DO ]T , DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? BECAUSE BASICALLY WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERT]SE. WE DON'T
HAVE THE BANDW]DTH , AND DON HAS ALREADY ADM]TTBD BEFORE WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERT]SE TO DEAL W]TH THE CONFLICTS ON THE CONTRACTS AND THE REPORT]NG AND ALL THIS TYPE OF STUFFI SO ST' V]NCENT DE PAUL TS OFFER]NG TO PROV]DE THIS SORT OF CONSULTANT SERVICE, RIGHT, TO DO THAT FOR US WHERE 1S THAT? 1 MEAN, BECAUSE THEY OBV]OUSLY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST F]NANCTALLY TO TAKE SURE THIS GOES R]GHTI SO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE PROPER ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF THE CITY BY GO]NG THROUGH THERE. CONSULTANT?
I HAVE LOOKED AT THAT IN THE SAME WAY THAT I LOOK AT A PROJECT THAT IS BEFORE THE CITY AND WE HAVE ENV]RONMENTAL CONCERNS AND WE WANT TO DO AN E]R , BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR THE EIR WITH PUBL]C FUNDS. WE EXPECT THE PROJECT APPL]CANT TO PAY FOR THE E]R SO THE WAY THAT GENERALLY WORKS OUT IS W]TH AN AGREEMENT SIM]LAR TO THE ONE YOU ARE LOOKING AT SIM]LAR TON]GHT ]S FORMED. THE APPLICANT FOR THE PROJECT SAYS WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THE EXPERT HE DOES THE EIR. THAT EIR, HOWEVER, ]S MORE THE C]T]ES USEI ]T IS UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE CITY. ]T IS THE CITY'S EIR, SO WE DONIT PAY ANY MONEY FOR THAT. IT ]S PA]D FOR PURELY BY THE APPLICANT, BUT IS SEEN AS
AN UNBIASED DOCUMENT TOR THE USE PRIMARILY OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR WHOEVER MAKTNG THAT DEC]SION. I SEE THIS ]N THE SAME WAY. ] SEE TH]S ALSO IS POPPING UP BAS]CALLY ]N MY VIEW BECAUSE WE ARE IN A F]NANCIAL DEFICIT SITUAT]ON, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAD A CONCERN. WE DONIT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE ON STAFF W]TH THE EXPERT]SE TO DO THIS AND WE DONIT HAVE THE FUND]NG R]GHT NOW TO PAY TO ADD STAFF TO DO TH]S. SIM]LAR AGA]N TN MY V]EW TO THE ElR SITUAT]ON WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY WHO CAN DO THE EIR. THEREFORE' WE BR]NG IN A CONSULTANT WHO DOES THE EIR BUT WE EXPECT THE OTHER PEOPLE TO PAY FOR 1T.
THANK YOU. T DON'T WANT TO HUG UP A WHOLE BUNCH OF T]ME BUT THEN YOU WOULD BE F]NE WITH THE SITUATION THAT ]S PROPOSED OF HAV]NG OUR GENERAL MANAGER NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TH]S AT ALL AND BASICALLY RELY SOLELY ON ST.
V]NCENT DE PAUL'S H]GHER PERSON TO MANAGE A CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T FALL IN JEOPARDY OF MISSING SOMETHING THROUGH THE STATE? T WOULD NOT AGREE W]TH YOUR STATEMENT GENERALLY SPEAKTNG, BECAUSE ] WOULD NOT WANT A SITUATION WHERE THE C]TY MANAGER HAS NOTHING TO DO W]TH ]T. IN FACT, I WOULD WANT THE CITY MANAGER TO HAVE THE LARGEST VO]CE IN CHOOS]NG HER THAT WOULD BE, HAVING CONFTDENCE ]N THE ONE WHO IS DO]NG IT , CONSULT W]TH THE ONE WHO ]S DOING IT, HAVE ANY QUEST]ONS THAT HE HAS ANSWERED BY THE ONE DO]NG IT. IN OTHER WORDS, TREATED ALMOST L]KE A STAFF SITUATION AND ONCB AGAIN, MY EXAMPLE OF THE E]R IS THE SAME WAY. WE EXPECT THE PLANN]NG DIRECTOR TO TALK TO WHOEVER ]S DOING THE EIR AND ASK THE TOUGH ENV]RONMENTAL QUEST]ONS OF THAT EXPERT/ MAKE SURE THEYTRE DOING IT R]GHT AND THAT 15 WHAT I WOULD EXPECT FROM THE CITY MANAGER.
] HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. SO, DON, GIVEN EVERYTHING LARRY HAS JUST SAID' I WANT TO ASK YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE OUR GENERAL MANAGER. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP US THROUGH ALL OF THIS, PROVIDE ADVfCE, MINIM]ZE OUR R]SKS, LIKE WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM YOU SAY IN THE PAST, THAT TH]S IS NOT YOUR EXPERT]SE AT ALL , SO IF THIS rS NOT YOUR EXPERTISE, HOW COMFORTABLE DO YOU FEEL LIKE GOING THROUGH A LTST OF POTENT]AL CONSULTANTS THAT ST. VINCENTIS DCPAUL ]S GOING TO OFFER Up IN ORDER TO PAY, HOW DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WOULD MANAGE SOMETH]NG THAT IS NOT ]N YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE? ]IM VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING HOW yOU FEEL, HOW YOU THTNK. WHETHER IT rS SOMETHTNG YOU CAN DO. I DONIT KNOW.
IILL TELL YOU ONE THOUGHT THAT COMES TO M]ND AS T DONIT KNOW VERY MUCH ABOUT WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS AND YET THERE UNDER MY JUR]SDICT]ON. I HAVE NEVER RUN A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND f'VE NEVER HAD A HOSE OFF A F]RE ENGINE BUT THOSE ARE ALL RESPONS]BIL]TIES THAT FALL UNDER ME AS CITY MANAGER SO WHAT I TRY TO BE GOOD AT ]S FINDING THE SMARTEST, BEST PEOPLE THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND THEN TAP ]NTO THEIR EXPERTISE. AND THEN BU]LD IN SYSTEMS OT ACCOUNTABIL]TYI FOR EXAMPLE WITH REPORTING AND ]T'S ALL PART OF THAT.
ANOTHER HUGE PART OF THAT , I'VE MENT]ONED TH]S ]N THE C]TY ATTORNEY INTERVIEW PROCESS, THE MOST IMPORTANT DEC]SIONS YOU MAKE ARE WHO YOU HTRE AND FINDING SOMEBODY THAN TALK]NG TO SOME OTHER CIT]ES BACK IN THE SPRfNG' THE MESSAGE THAT BOILS DOWN TO IS DON'T TRY TH]S AT HOME IF YOU IS NOT DONE THIS BEFORE AND YOU SHOULD NOT DO THIS ]F YOU DONIT HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS CONSIDERABLE EXPER]ENCE WORK]NG W]TH THE STATE AND SEEING THEIR LEVEL OF MINUTE DETA]L, EVEN ON THE RESOLUTION, THE LETTER _-ERRORS THAT THEY FOUND WERE VERY DETAILED AND THEY DO LOOK AT THOSE REPORTS WE W]LL BE GENERATING/ FOR EXAMPLE, SO WE NEED TO F]ND AND ] DONIT KNOW THAT WE WILL FIND SOMEBODY WHO IS GOOD ENOUGH AND THAT, TO ME, ST. VINCENT DE PAUL
SHOULD BE HELPFUL TN THAT BUT I HAVE TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH WHO WE ARE GETT]NG AND THEN THERE ]S THE ISSUE OF WORKING OUT CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS WITH THEM, AS WELL. IN GENERAL, 1 THINK THAT IS THE TSSUE.
FIND SOMEBODY REALLY GOOD WHO I WOULD HAVE CONFIDENCE IN I AND THE CONFIDENCE LEVEL WILL BE DR]VEN A LOT BY THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH STATE REGULATORY REQU]REMENTS AROUND HOUSING AND HOPEFULLY PROJECT HUNKY EXPERIENCE IN PARTICULAR.
OKAYI LET'S GET OUR REMATN]NG QUEST]ONS ANSWERED BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE wE GET OUT TO THE PUBLIC. GO AHEAD, COUNCTL MEMBER MCLEWIS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER ABOUT THE CONFLICT OF
INTEREST/ BUT MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AN AXE TO GRIND AND NOT TRYING TO SUE US SO THAT SEGUES TO MY QUESTION FOR JACK T]BBETTS. THE REASON TH]S CAME
BACK IS BECAUSE IT SAYS THERE WAS A CHANGE IN STATUS AND THE THREAT OF LTT]GATION SO I'M JUST ASKING YOU PUBL]CLY, DOES TH]S MEAN ]F IT GETS PAST BY HER COUNSEL THAT YOU'RE GO]NG TO STOP THREATENING LAWSU]TS AND ALSO ARE YOU GO]NG TO STOP THE PRA REQUEST THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE TAKES UP HOURS OF OUR CITY T]ME AND ATTORNEYS? CAN YOU PUBLICLY STATE THAT ]S GO]NG TO STOP?
ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU PASS THE RESOLUT]ON TONIGHT AND WE CAN PROCEED AS OR]GINALLY PLANNED AND AGREED TO ON MAY 23Td WE W]LL ABSOLUTELY DROP ANY FOR YOUR REQUEST AND INTENTION OF A LAWSUIT AND ] JUST WANT TO SAY' COUNCIL MEMBER McLEWIS, WE ARE NOT DOING THIS TO PUNISH ANYONE. WE'RE NOT DOTNG TH]S TO BE VINDICTIVE. WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO LOOK OUT FOR THE ]NTEREST OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE A VO]CE FOR THEMSELVES AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE DO]NG THIS. IT IS AN ABSOLUTE TRAVESTY TO LAY $5 MILL]ON OF STATE MONEY ON THE TABLE THAT COULD OTHERW]SE PROV]DE HOUSING PERMANENTLY FOR 30 PEOPLE. THAT ]S OUR CAUSE. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON WHY WE ARE HERE TON]GHT SO I JUST HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. DID ANY COUNCILMEMBER HERE ASK YOU AT ANY TIME IF THEY BROUGHT THIS FORWARD AGA]N TO US TO CANCEL , TO STOP THIS LITIGAT]ON? ] JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE INTEGR]TY ]S HERE WITH ALL OF THIS. ] TH]NK BE]NG IN THE NONPROFTT WORLD MYSELF, SAY]NG A NONPROF]T' AFTER A DEC]SION HAS BEEN MADE AND W]TH AN AXE TO GRIND/ ] CAN GO ON AND
ON. I THINK ]T LACKS TNTEGR]TY SO 1 WANT TO KNOW, HAS ANYONE HERE SA]D T WILL BR]NG IT FORTH IF YOU CANCEL THE LAWSUIT THREATS AND EVERYTHING ELSE? NO, THERE HAS BEEN NO QU]D PRO QUO AND ANY OF YOUR COUNCILMEMBERS IIVE SPOKEN WITH THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAVE ACTED WITH ]NTEGRTTY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOUI MARY, LET'S MAKE SURE WE GET PUBL]C COMMENT.
THANK YOU/ MAYOR. TH]S ]S PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ST.
RECONSIDERAT]ON TF YOU WOULD L]KE TO MAKE A PUBL]C'
FIRST AND THEN SOME. OVER.
CANNOT
VINCENT DE PAUL
AGA]N I GO TO CHAMBERS
THTS TS LIKE A HAT TRICK NOW WHAT ]F WE HAD I INAUDIBLE ] WEIVE HAD SELVES THAT HAVE BEEN A D]SASTER NOW WE HAVE GOT TH]S WITH JACK TIBBETTS. ] TH]NK THE B]G QUESTION ]S WHAT CONVERSATIONS HAPPENED AFTER THE DEC]SION BY THE CITY MANAGER TO NOT GO FORWARD W]TH TH]S? WHAT WERE THE BACK CHANNELS? ] TH]NK WE NEED TO HEAR ALL OF THE IDENTIF]CAT]ON AGREEMENTS AND ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS SO MAYBE WE NEED TO BE SEND]NG PRA REQUEST TO ST. VINCENT DE PAUL TO FTND OUT BECAUSE FROM WHAT ] CAN SEEI THE IDENT]FICAT]ON AGREEMENTS ARE AT THE SAME PLACE FROM WHEN TH]S WAS D]SCUSSED THE F]RST TTME AROUND BUT SER]OUSLY, I'M FED UP WITH BEING BULLIED BY THESE SUPPOSEDLY NONPROF]TS WHO ARE SWTMMING ]N MONEY. WE HAVE NO MONEY AT ALL AND WE KEEP SWIMM]NG ]NTO THIS UNCHARTED TERRITORY OF THESE IDIOTIC AGREEMENTS WITH PEOPLE YOU JUST CANIT TRUST. SO JACK/ ] THINK YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE.
THANK yOUr OLIVER, FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. SUE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE?
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I CAN
No, I
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> CAN YOU SEE THE T]MER?
I W]LL JUMP IN WHEN YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT
1'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE MEETING THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN MAYOR RICH, COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER AND JACK T]BBETTS THAT WAS RECORDED ]N THE PRESS DEMOCRAT. ] WORK FOR A PUBLIC AGENCY ON THTS SMACKS OF FA]LURE TO DISCLOSE X PARTAKE COMMUNTCAT]ONI WHICH ]S COMMUNICATION DONE WITH RESPECT TO HER ]N THE INTEREST OF ONE S]DE ONLY OR UN]NTERESTED OUTSTDE PARTY, WHICH THIS CLEARLY APPEARS TO BE S]NCE ]T IS COMING BACK TO OUR COUNSEL AFTER THE COUNC]L MADE A VERY WELL-INFORMED DEC]S]ON TO PULL OUT OF THE DEAL WITH ST. VINCENT DE PAUL AFTER ]T LEARNED THAT IT COULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR LONG-TERM MANAGEMENT COSTS , SHOULD WHOEVER ST. V]NCENT DE PAUL CHOOSES TO MANAGE THE SITE PROJECT FA]LS TO DO SO. THAT ]S UNFORESEEN, UNBUDGETED EXPENSES THAT ] DON'T THTNK THE CITY SHOULD EVEN BE CONS]DERING REENTER]NG ]N AGREBMENT W]TH. ] DON'T BEL]EVE THEY HAVE A BASIS FOR SU]TI AND I TH]NK THAT THE COUNC]L SHOULD HAVE THE COURAGE AND THE CONF]DENCE TO STICK W]TH ]TS DEC]SION ]T MADE BACK ]N APRIL TO PROTECT ]TSELF, PROTECT ITS TAXPAYERS, PROTECT ITS BUDGET, ]TS FUTURE FINANCIAL STATUS AND NOT MOVE FORWARD W]TH THIS AGREEMENT W]TH ST, VINCENT DE PAUL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SUE, FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT ] W]LL COME TO CHAMBERS.
cooD EVENfNG I MAYOR RICH/ COUNSEL AND STAFF. I WANT TO BEGrN BY LETTING ALL OF YOU KNOW THAT WE D]D ENDORSE TH]S PROJECT. HE CAME FORWARD TO US.
WE REV]EWED IT OBJECT]VELY THROUGH CRITERIA POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE. YOUIRE WELCOME TO CHECK ]T OUT ]F YOU WANT TO LOOK MORE INTO IT AND LEARN MORE ABOI]T IT. ]'M HAPPY TO CHAT W]TH YOU ABOUT ]T. ] CAN CHAT W]TH YOU AFTER BUT OHf MY APOLOGIES. IT IS LATE. MY NAME IS I INAUD]BLE I DIRECTOR OF GENERAT]ON HOUSING. THANK YOU, AND YOU, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE LED W]TH THAT. THAT IS MY BAD. 1 WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT I RESPECT AND APPREC]ATE - -WE RESPECT AND APPREC]ATE THE LEVEL OF AUSTERITY HERE. OBV]OUSLY SEBASTOPOL IS FACING A FEW CHALLENGES AND ] KNOW THE F]NANCE COMM]TTEE, THE BUDGET COMM]TTEE HAS BEEN WORK]NG DIL]GENTLY AND LONG HOURS AND I
REALLY WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK YOU GUYS ARE PUTT]NG IN. AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS IS ABOUT HOUSING AND PUTTING RIBS OVER UNHOUSED ]ND]VIDUALS' HEADS AND ENSUR]NG THAT THEY HAVE A SAFE' STABLE PLACE THAT THEY CAN L]VE AND THRIVE IN RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT MORE
PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW EITHER IN CARS OR ON THE STREETS AND THAT COULD BE FROM A VARIETY OF TH]NGS, COVID FUND]NG DRY]NG UP, OR POTENT]ALLY BASED ON SOME OF THE REPORTS WEIVE DONE ]NTERNALLY I FOLKS ARE ON THE PRECIPICE OF HOMELESSNESS ALL THE TIME THERE BARELY SCRAP]NG BY, SO WE HAVE MONEY ON THE TABLE BACKING FROM THE COUNTY, BACKING FROM AT THE END OF THE DAY TH]S IS ABOUT HOUSING FOR UNHOUSED ]ND]VIDUALS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. ROBERT, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE.
TH]S PROPOSAL HAS NEVER BEEN PRESENTED ]N ANY PERMANENT WAY TO THE CITY OR CITY COUNCIL OR ANY OF US IN THE PUBL]C. THERE IS A LOT OF M]SUNDERSTAND]NGS AND A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. ] THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE MORE T]ME ON THIS ]N PUBLIC MEETINGS TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR RESPONSIBIL]TIES ARE GO]NG TO BE. f'VE ACTUALLY GONE OUT AND READ THE NOTTCE OF FUND]NG. ] DONIT KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BUT ]T IS VERY CLEAR ELIGIBLE ENTITIES ARE GOVERNMENT ENT]TIES --CIT]ES, COUNT]ES, C]TIES AND couNTIES, HINT HINT, CANNOT DO THIS| SO THrS IDEA OF A JURISDICTIONAL ELEMENT 15 NOT ]N WRITING ANYWHERE THAT I READ AND ]'M NOT AN ATTORNEY SO MAYBE ] MTSSED IT BUT ]T'S NOT THEREI THE IDEA THAT CITY AND COUNTY COULD
DO THIS SEEMS TO ME LIKE A REALLY INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE STAFF/ THEY HAVE EXPERTS. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO TH]S. MY READING OF THIS ]S WE ARE APPLY]NG TO THIS GRANTI THE GRANT WILL BE MADE TO US. THIS ]S OUR HOME KEY PROJECT. ] DON'T KNOW ]F YOUIVE THOUGHT ABOUT THTS POL]TICALLY BUT ]N THE PAST HE SA]D WELLI HORIZON SHINE WE HAD NOTH]NG TO DO W]TH THAT BUT WE DfDNIT G]VE THEM ANY MONEY. BU]LD-A-BEAR COMMONS, THAT WASNIT OUR THING. POLITICALLY, THrs ls GOING TO BE YOUR THING SO COUNSEL IS TAKING THE SAND AND PUTTING A HOME KEY PROJECT ]N A SQUARE MILE TOWN OF SEBASTOPOL. LASTLY, THIS IS A SIMTLAR PROJECT TO THE S]DE -- S]ZE OF ELDERBERRY COMMONS. THEY HAD PEOPLE THAT KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND ] TH]NK WE'VE ALL READ OVER AND OVER AGA]N ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY HOW EVEN WITH PROFESSIONALS OVERSEE]NG A PROJECT LIKE THISI THEY GOT ]NTO A LOT OF DIFFICULTY AND HAD A LOT OF ]SSUES. I CANIT EVEN ]MAGINE HOW WE WOULD HANDLE ALL THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES IS A LITTLE T]NY TOWN AND ] AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE ]DEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO DELEGATE ALL OF THAT TO SOME CONSULTANT, SO r DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS CAN BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. ] DON'T KNOW ]F ANY OF YOU HAVE DONE ANY RESEARCH ON TH]S. SANTA ROSA IS DOING TH]S FOR SAINT VINCENT DE PAUL. HOW DID IT GO?
ROBERT, THAT'S TWO M]NUTES,
YEAHI ANYBODY CHECK]NG ANY OF THE STUFF WE NEED TO DO THAT. THANK YOU NEXT, ] W]LL COME BACK IN CHAMBERS IF THERE'S ANYONE ]N CHAMBERS. t CAPT]ONERS TRANSIT]ONING ]
THERE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE A COUNCIL IN 2025. TH]S WILL NOT BE COMPLETED FROM 1-2/20/2026 FOR THE LONGT]ME CONSEQUENCES OF STAFF AND BUSINESS OWNERS.
COUNCILMEMBER -- AND RICH, PLEASE DO NOT BURDEN YOUR CITY STAFF WITH THIS
PROJECT, THIS PROJECT HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO BENEFIT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SEBASTOPOL AND SMALL BUS]NESS COMMITTEE. CITIZENS ARE BEING TOLD THEY WILL BE FACING SERV]CE COSTS. THE CITY DOES NOT EVEN HAVE THE MONEY TO MANAGE TH]S PROJECT. ST. V]NCENT DE PAUL SAID THEY WILL HIRE A PERSON TO MANAGE TH]S PROJECT. THEY'VE ALREADY PROVEN THEIR COMPETENCY S]NCE THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO FULLY DISCLOSE THE CITY'S FULL LIABILITY IN THE]R MAY 2023 PRESENTATION. ST. VINCENT IS UNRELIABLE AND ALSO SEEMINGLY DISHONEST. THEY ARE ALSO UNKNOWN SLUMLORD AS REPORTED W]TH THE GOLD CO]N MOTEL. TH]S IS AN ]MPROVEMENT FOR THE ENT]RE CITY/ THE C]T]ZENS WHO PAY TAXES, FROM PLANN]NG TO BUILDING AND OVERS]GHT. ]T WILL NOT SOLVE THE _- ISSUES. --AUTHOR]TY REFERS TO SERV]CES FOR THE PROJECT WTLL NOT BE COMPLETE FOR AT LEAST 18 MONTHS. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE --FOR 18 MONTHS MORE TO MARK THERE TS NO WAY THE COUNTY CAN PR]ORITIZE THAT ]N SEBASTOPOL. ]T ]S A LEGAL AND THE SAME AS SEBASTOPOL'S OTHER HOME KEY PROJECT. THAT DID NOT HOUSE A S]NGLE UNHOUSED PERSON FROM SEBASTOPOL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU TOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT, KATE. NEXT. ] WILL GO BACK ]N CHAMBERS.
NEXT, I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM. CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? >> T AM UNMUTE IT AGAIN.
THANK YOU. CAN YOU SEE THE T]MER AGAIN?
1 CAN. THANK YOU.
GO AHEAD
WELLI BILLY JACK SAYS THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION FOR FUND]NG IN SEBASTOPOL. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO POINT OUT THAT THE COUNTY FUNDED OURS. SO HONESTLY, THE -- AND I ALSO FOUND THE PURCHASE OF ELDERBERRY COMMENTS. ]IM SO ANOTHER POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ]S THAT THERE . THE CITY STAFT ]S ALREADY STATED THERE 1S NO LIABTL]TY RISK IN DECIDING NOT TO PROCEED W]TH THE PROJECT. THAT IS BECAUSE FULL DISCLOSURE WAS NOT MADE WHEN THE C]TY COUNCTL APPROVED THE ]N]T]AL APPROVAL BACK IN 2023. FTNALLY, JACK HAS SUGGESTED THAT HrS THREAT OF LTTTGATTON DOES NOT REPRESENT PUN]SHMENT OR VIND]CT]VENESS BUT I WOULD SAY IT DOES REPRESENT ]NT]M]DAT]ON OF THE C]TY. ] WOULD REALLY LTKE ]T ]F THE CITY COUNCIL DID NOT RESPOND TO THAT. THAT IS THE END OF MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU PRESENT THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT, I WILL GO BACK IN CHAMBERS.
SEEING NONE, ] W]LL GO BACK OUT. M]CHAEL, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? I CAN
CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER, MICHAEL? >> I CAN ABOUT GO AHEAD. MY NAME ]S MICHAEL CARNACCH]. I SERVED THE FULL TERM ON THE COUNC]L. I WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCTL THAT WHEN JACK TIBBITS SERVED, ON DECEMBER 14, 202Lf HE LET HIS FELLOW COUNC]L MEMBERS KNOW HE WAS RES]GNING W]TH SEVEN DAYS NOT]CE THAT HE WALKED AWAY FROM THE COUNC]L. HE WALKED AWAY FROM THE VOTERS WHO ELECTED HIM. I HEAR H]M SAY HE HAS AN OBL]GAT]ON TO HOMELESS PEOPLE. OH.
NO OBLIGATION TO THE HOMELESS PEOPLB WHEN THE]R CURRENT FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND TO THE VOTERS WHO ELECTED YOU. SO IF HE D]D THAT , IF HE WAS ABLE TO WALK AWAY FROM HIS FELLOW COUNC]L MEMBERSI WHAT MAKES YOU TH]NK THAT HE WILL NOT DO THE SAME TO SEBASTOPOL? AND THEN SETTLE THE C]TY WITH THE LTAB]LITY. SO I DO NOT TH]NK JACK AND BEAT TRUSTED ANYMORE THAN THE COUNCILMEMBERS CAN BE TRUSTED. YOU KNOW, THEY PUT THEIR TRUST ]N H]M. THE VOTERS PUT THE]R TRUST ]N H]M. YOU KNOW, ]T ]S CLEAR THAT YOU FATLED THEM. ] JUST WANTED TO KEEP THAT ]N MIND. I THINK THIS PROJECT ]S A FATLURE FROM THE START. HOPEFULLY YOU WILL TH]NK HARD ON TH]S AND TAKE ]NTO CONSIDERATION. JACKTS PAST ACT]ONS. WHEN TRYING TO DETERMINE WHETHER HE IS A TRUSTWORTHY PERSON TO DO BUSINESS WITH. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, M]CHAELI FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. NEXT, I WILL GO BACK IN CHAMBERS. SEE]NG NONE, I WILL GO OUT. ADRIENNE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF' PLEASE?
YES, I CAN. YOU HEAR ME NOW?
T CAN. CAN YOU SEE THE T]MER?
NO, I AM CAN'T. SORRY. OH, r GOT IT HERE. SO I AM ADRIENNE LOBBY AND WITH THE BOARD OF TH]EVES. WE'VE BEEN WORK]NG W]TH JACK FOR A WH]LE WHO WAS OUR LANDLORD AT THE VER]ZON SH]NE VILLAGE. AND ] HAVE GOT TO START BY SAY]NG ] CANNOT BELIEVE THIS K]ND OF CHARACTER ASSASSINAT]ON. NOBODY HERE ]N TH]S ROOM, NOBODY OUTSIDE THIS ROOM IS PERFECT. I'M SURE JACK IS MADE MISTAKES ]N HIS LIFE. BUT TO TH]NK THAT HE IS / THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE INTEGRITY THAT HE ]S NOT HARD-WORKING OUT TO BE TRUSTED, ]T ]S A R]D]CULOUS THING.
HE HAS SPENT H]S LIFE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE ARGUABLY THE POOREST OF THE POOR AND THE MOST HONORABLE IN OUR COUNTY. HE ]S EXTREMELY DED]CATED BUT ] WATCHES WORK AT THE GOLD CO]N. AND SEEING WHAT ]S BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLTSH THERE. HAS A VERY B]G TEAM. SO ] THINK HIS CAPACTTY TO DO TH]S PROJECT ]S VERYI VERY H]GH' AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE, HE WAS OUR LANDLORD. WE WORK TOGETHER _- WORKED TOGETHER WITH NO PROBLEMS FOR TWO YEARS. ALL OF THE TH]NGS THAT COME UPDATED A B]T W]TH ONE'OF YOUR RESPONSIVE AND VERY RESPONSIBLE. FOR MY PART, AT THE C]TY WOULD TURN DOWN $95 M]LLION ]N A STATE GRANTI THESE GRANTS ARE NOT EASY TO GET. THBY ARE VERY, VERY HARD TO GET. IT IS THE G]FT TO SEBASTOPOL AND TO THE HOMELESS
PEOPLE OF SEBASTOPOL AND TO THE POOR PEOPLE OF SEBASTOPOL THAT YOU COULD HAVE TH]S 30 UNIT BU]LD]NG.
YOU HAVE ABOUT 25 SECONDS
THANK YOU. AND TO BE W]LL]NG TO DO THAT. GOSH ,
I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF
THOUGHT. I GUESS WHAT ]IM HEARING ]S FEARFULNESS ]S EXTREME IN THE COMMENTS HERE. YOU KNOW? OH, IT WILL BRING EVERYTHING DOWN AND EVERYTH]NG BAD IT WILL BE TERR]BLE. THAT 1S NOT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE HAVE HOMES. THEY HAVE HOMES.
THAT IS TWO MINUTES,
GREAT I
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. NEXT, I W]LL GO BACK IN CHAMBERS MY NAME IS KATHLEEN -- I AM NOT HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF ST. V]NCENT DePAUL. BUT I DO VOLUNTEER WITH THEM AT THE --I LIVE HERE IN SEBASTOPOL. I TH]NK IT TS ]MPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT A HOUS]NG F]RST MODEL YS.
AND THAT GOING ]NTO THE PROJECTI WE UNDERSTAND DOING HOUSING FIRST MEANS THAT PEOPLE GET HOUSING BEFORE THEY NECESSARILY QUIT US]NG SUBSTANCES.
COMMTT TO MENTAL HEALTH. ONGOING TREATMENT AND THAT K]ND OF TH]NG. SO OUR MODEL TS A HOUS]NG F]RST MODEL. SO WITH THAT COMES CHALLENGES. AND I TH]NK THAT JACK KNOWS I HAVE NUDGED HIM SEVERAL T]MES ABOUT SECURITY AND WE HAVE GOTTEN SECUR]TY ON SITE NOW BUT I TH]NK THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD SAY ITIS IMPORTANT TO HAVE ]N PLACE BEFORE RESIDENTS GO ONTO THE SITE. ANOTHER THING FROM THE ETH]CAL PO]NT OF VfEW, THERE IS ONGO]NG MED]CAL PROBLEMS AND MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS THAT OCCUR. SO HAV]NG A GOOD COMMUNICAT]ON AND PARTNERSH]P W]TH THE LOCAL / THE WEST COUNTY HEALTH SERV]CESI COULD BE VERY HELP FULL. HAVING SOME BACKUP EXTRA CONSTRUCT]ON WE ARE FTND]NG
SURPRISES EVERY SO OFTEN BUT EVERYBODY KNOW THAT HAPPENS WITH CONSTRUCTTON. I THINK, I WAS LOOKING AT THIS BEFORE I CAME TO THIS MEETING. ] WAS NOT SURE ]F I WAS GOING TO COME OR NOT. BUT I TH]NK THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE DO NEED HOUS]NG. I THOUGHT W]TH THE GUY TODAY OUTSIDE THE POST OFFICE WHO HAS SCH]ZOPHRENIA.
YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS >> THE D]FF]CULTY OF L]V]NG W]TH EPIDERM]S 7g-YEAR-OLD MAN WAS LIV]NG IN A CAR SOMEWHERE ]N THE COMMUNITY NOW NEEDS HOUSING. TH]S IS ONGOING. I KNOW THIS WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I TH]NK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT PROJECT. THANK YOU BRITT THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMBNT. NEXT/ ] WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM. KYLE, CAN YOU YOURSELFI PLEASE? THANK YOU' CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER? >> I CAN. ] TH]NK THERE ARE ENOUGH COUNC]LMEMBERS WHO CAN FOLLOW ALONG W]TH TH]S VENTURE WE HAVE ALL BEEN ON FOR QUITE SOME T]ME. I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS ]S ABOUT THE DEALMAKING. AND RISK ASSESSMENT. SPECIFICALLY AROUND L]T]GAT]ON R]SKS' R]GHT? WHEN COUNCIL MADE A DECIS]ON TO PASS THE RV BEEN , WHERE THEY WELL ]NFORMED OF THE POSS]BLE R]SK OF LIT]GAT]ON? WHEN THE C]TY DEC]DED TO PARTNER W]TH TH]S PART]CULAR ORGANIZAT]ON AS PART OF A PROJECT, WERE THEY WELL INFORMED BY CITY LEGAL ABOUT POSSIBLE L]T]GAT]ON? IN THE CITY DEC]DED/ WHEN THE COUNCIL DEC]DED TO BACK OUT OF THAT DEAL/ TALKING ABOUT ]NTEGRITY, BY THE WAY. SUGGEST]NG OTHERS DO NOT HAVE ]NTEGRITY. WHEN THE CITY DEC]DED TO BACK OUT OF THE AGREEMENT THEY MADE THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALI DO THEY RECEIVE GOOD, LEGAL ADVICE ABOUT R]SKI LEGAL RISK AND L]TIGATION R]SK? BECAUSE WHAT ] KEEP SEEING AS US GO]NG ]NTO LITIGAT]ON.
ALTHOUGH YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT ONGOING LIT]GAT]ONI THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE ARE JUST HEMORRHAGING AND L]TIGATION , THAT WE ARE NOT EVEN W]LLING TO D]SCUSS AND PUT OUT PUBLICLY TO THE ONE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT ]S.
IS ATROCIOUS. ]T IS MY CONCERN, ESPECIALLY ]F YOU GO INTO NEGOTIAT]ONSI ABOUT HIRING AN ATTORNEY, YOU BRING UP L]TIGATION R]SKS AND THAT TYPE OF COUNC]L YOU WILL BE RECETV]NG BY A CITY ATTORNEY WHEN YOU ARE MAKING THESE DEC]S]ONS. THAT M]GHT PUT YOU ]N A S]TUAT]ON WHERE YOU ARE AT R]SK FOR LITIGATION. ]T IS NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT THAT IS BEEN HAPPEN]NG. ]T WOULD BE
MY HOPE MOV]NG FORWARD THAT THE PUBLIC ]S WELL AWARE THAT YOU ARE RECETVING THE LEGAL ASSISTANCE YOU NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE DECIS]ONS W]THOUT FACING L]TIGATION. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT, I WILL GO BACK ]N CHAMBERS SEEING NONE, NEXT, ] WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM. L]NDA , CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE ? THANK YOU, LINDA. GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTI PLEASE' >>
OUGHT TO BE SUING H]M FOR ALL THE HARM AND DAMAGE AND FA]LING TO DISCLOSE RIGHT UP FRONT WHEN SEBASTOPOL AGREED TO COSIGN. WE OUGHT TO BE SU]NG HIM FOR ALL THE SERVICES , THE HOURS A}ID HOURS OF -- THAT OUR FIREF]GHTERS AND EMTs HAVE PROVIDED. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF HIS MISMANAGEMENT, THE THING TS NOT ONLY A FA]LURE , BUT ]T ]S A DISASTER. WE HAVE F]VE VACANT COMMERC]AL
SPACES ACROSS THE STREET, THERE ARE NONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO BE NEAR THIS POPULAT]ON. THIS POPULAT]ON , THE HOUSING. I KNOW THEM. THEY DO NOT WANT TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR. JACK , YOU OUGHT TO GO SEE WHAT THEY D]D TO YOUR S]TE ABOUT THE MEET]NG. THEN ]T ONLY TORE ]T DOWN, BUT THBY SLASHED IT. THEY SLASHED ]T TO R]BBONS. ANYWAY, YOU HAVE GOT TO KNOW WHAT POPULATION , THERE IS ONE GUY WHO HAS BEEN ARRESTED 15 TIMES AND HE HAS ARSON TO THAT TRA]LER THAT WORKED UP
LINDAI YOU HAVE ABOUT 25 SECONDS
THESE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIORS. I TH]NK THE MAJOR]TY OF THEM DO NOT WANT SERV]CES THE ALREADY HAVE SERVICES. THEY HAVE FOOD THEY HAD EVERYTH]NG THEY DID NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE GENEROS]TY THAT THEY WERE GIVEN. AND SO THEY ARE --AN LINDA, THAT IS TWO AND ITS. >> AND W
] AM SORRY, WE WILL HAVE TO STOP. THANK YOU. >> L]NDA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT, I WILL GO BACK ]N CHAMBERS SEEING NONE, NEXT, I W]LL GO OUT TO ZOOM. JIM, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE ? >> YES/ THANK YOU.
CAN YOU SEE THE T]MER?
I CAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS J]M AND ] WAS THE ]S RUN THE LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO THE C]TY COUNCIL. THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD FOR ST.
VINCENT DePAUL. I WANT TO PO]NT OUT THAT PARTICULARLY THE COUNC]LMEMBERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, ARE WE A TRUSTWORTHY PARTNER? WE GOT ]NVOLVED AND TOOK ON A S]GN]FTCANT AMOUNT OF DEBT AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY COUNCIL , DEAL]NG W]TH THE VERY D]FF]CULT POPULATION. I DO NOT D]SAGREE W]TH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. THE POPULAT]ON THAT WAS ON THE STREETS OF OTHER PARTS OF SEBASTOPOL , AS A FORMER C]TY MANAGER, ] KNOW THIS, I KNOW ]T CAN BE IN ONE NE]GHBORHOOD AND NOT ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD BE PEOPLB WANT ]T BACK FOR IT USED TO BE. SO WE GOT INVOLVED WITH SEBASTOPOL BY A COUNCIL TAKING ACTION. TO COMMIT AND BE OUR PARTNER WITH SOME R]SK SHOULD BE GO BELLY UP.
AS FOR MY LECTURE, T AM D]SAPPOINTED THAT THE CITY MANAGER NEVER INCLUDED ANYTHING OF REPORT TO YOU OF THE RISKS. OF COURSEI IF YOU ARE GOING TO
WALK AWAY FROM A PARTNER YOU COMMITTED TO/ THE PARTNER HAS CONSEQUENCES THAT THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR. AND A SIGNIF]CANT COST TO US. WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO GO BACK TO OUR PARTNER AND SAY, OKAY, YOU ARE RENEG]NG ON A COMM]TMENT YOU MADE. WANT TO TALK TO YOU TO HELP US OUT IN TERMS OT THE MONEY WE INVESTED. NOW THAT WE HAVE LOSTI BECAUSE THE C]TY MANAGER HAS DEC]DED THERE ]S SOME R]SK, THERE IS ALWAYS A R]SK. ] WAS A CITY MANAGER FOR 30 YEARS BUT I CAN TE],L YOUI THIS KIND OF RISK WE DEAL WTTH ALL THE Page7l of78
TYP]NG 1 THTNK THE CTTY MANAGER HAS OVERSTATED THE R]SK THAT I DO NOT THINK WE HAVE A B]G RISK/ BUT YOU HAD A VERY CLEAR R]SK THAT WAS NOT STATED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. THAT YOUR PARTNER WOULD COME BACK TO YOU. >> JfM, THANK yOU FOR YOUR PUBLTC COMMENT. NEXT| r WrLL GO BACK rN CHAMBERS SEE]NG NONE, NEXT, I WTLL GO OUT TO ZOOM, VANESSA , CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE ?
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
I CAN
HELLO, MY NAME ]S VANESSA. I'M A NEIGHBOR TO THE S]TE I LIVE CLOSE BUT ] HAVE RES]DENCE REGARDING THE ENCAMPMENTS THAT OF BEEN FORMING S]NCE THE CLOSURE OF R]SE AND SHINE. AND THE SEVERAL TRA]LERS THAT DO NOT TRANS]T]ON ]NTO SAFE/ PERMANENT HOUSING. THEY ARE NOW JUST WAIT ON THE STREET DIRECTLY OUT L]GHT OF WHAT WAS THE VILLAGE. I SENT EMAILS AND NO RESPONSE.
JUST CRICKETS. WHAT IS THE PLAN? SO ]F TH]S GETS APPROVED AND THERE IS THE HOME KEY ON THE SITE. AND THEN ARE WE SURROUNDED BY CAMPERS THAT DID NOT TRANSITION TO SAFE HOUSING? ARE THEY GUARANTEED A SPOT IN THE PROJECT? WITH SAFE HOUS]NG? ARE THEY GUARANTEED A PARK]NG SPOT? I READ SOMEWHERE THAT ]N]T]ALLY THEY WERE NOT BUT NOW THE PARKING SPOTS ARE NOT GO]NG TO BE AVA]LABLE TO THEM. SO I JUST SAY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ]S A HOT MESS R]GHT NOW. IT 1S REALLY BAD. I WOULD LOVE D]RECT CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT ]S THE
PLAN TO HELP THE STREETS ALL OF THE CAMPERS THAT WERE PART OF RISE AND SHTNE THAT DID NOT TRANSITION TO SAFE HOUSING AND ARE NOW PARKED ]N CAMPING DIRECTLY ]N FRONT OF THE VILLAGE. THANK YOU.
VANESSA/ THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. NEXT, I W]LL GO BACK IN CHAMBERS. SEEING NONE, I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM. MAYOR, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
HELLO.
CAN YOU SEE THE T]MER?
I CAN
GO AHEADI PLEASE
]'VE BEEN WORKING W]TH V]EWS K]DS ]N SONOMA COUNTY FOR 20 YEARS. SOME OF MY K]DS I HAVE DEALT W]TH MIGHT BE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE STREET, ACTUALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT TH]S 15 ABOUT ]S THE PEOPLE IN SEBASTOPOL WHO MAY BE HOLD]NG THE BAG SKI FOR M]LL]ONS. IF THIS FALLS APART. I HAVE KNOWN MANY LAWYERS IN THE 35 YEARS --I WAS MARRIED TO ONE.
NOT ONE OF THEM WOULD ENCOURAGE YOUR CLIENT TO ENTER INTO ANY K]ND OF LEGAL AGREEMENT WITH AN ENTITY WHO HAS W]THHELD ]NTORMAT]ON , SUED , BULL]ED, AND PLAYED ON THE SYMPATHIES BY SAYING HE WOULD LOSE H]S JOB IF THIS DOES NOT GO THROUGH. ] REALLY THINK THAT COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO VOTE NO ON TH]S BECAUSE THEY ARE SHAR]NG RESPONSIBILTTY TO THE C]TIZENS OF SEBASTOPOL. THANK YOU.
MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBL]C COMMENT. AGA]NI NEXT' ] W]LL GO BACK ]N CHAMBERS. SEE]NG NONE, 1 WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM. SEE]NG NONEI PUBL]C COMMENT IS CLOSED.
WE ARE BACK TO WHAT THE COUNCTL TABLE. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY ].0 MINUTES LEFT. THAT'S UNTIL THIS COUNCIL MEET]NG COULD BE ENDED. SO ] TH]NK WE UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR VARIOUS POSIT]ONS ARE HERE. EACH ONE OF US COULD EXPRESS CONCERNS BUT I WOULD L]KE TO MAKE SURE WE GET A VOTE ON THIS ]TEM BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT TH]S MEETING. WHY DONIT WE JUST TAKE A M]NUTE FOR EACH couNCIL MEMBER. PLEASE, LETTS TRY TO LIM]T IT. I COULD GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION RIGHT NOW THAT I WOULD RATHER GIVE EACH COUNC]L MEMBER AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ] WOULD APPRECIATE IF EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WE ARE TRYING TO GET DONE BY 10:30. SO DOES ANYONE WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, OTHER THAN WHAT THEY ALREADY SAID? COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS?
YES. ] GUESS TO THE BOARD MEMBER FROM ST. V]NCENT DEPAUL. ]N MY M]ND , LISTEN TO THISI THEIR PROPR]ET]ES WERE SUGGESTED THERE. AND ] THINK THEY PUBLICLY OUGHT TO SAY THAT. HE SAID, WE CAN LISTEN TO THE RECORDING TO CLARIFY LATER. HE SAID F]RST, THE COUNCIL PROM]SED, AND THEN HE SATD A COUNCIL MEMBER PROMISED. AND TO ME, A COUNC]L MEMBER DOES NOT HAVE THE AB]L]TY TO PROM]SE ANYTHING ON THE]R OWN, SO ] WOULD L]KE TO FIND MORE CLARIFICATION ON THAT AFTER THIS MEETING. I MEAN/ THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE ]F THERE WERE PROMISES MADE. THAT TS WHY I ASKED THE QUEST]ONS I ASKED EARLIER. NO COUNCILMEMBER HERE IS THE ABILTTY TO MAKE THOMASES BUT HE STATED THAT. TH]S IS WHERE MY D]STRUST COMES FROM. BECAUSE ] JUSTI AND MY INTU]TION AND MY GOD, THIS ]S NOT R]GHT FOR SEBASTOPOL. AND PLA]NLY, I WANT TO SAY I WAS ELECTED TO REPRESENT C]T]ZENS WHO ARE IN SEBASTOPOL.
SEBASTOPOL ]S ALREADY DOING A FABULOUS JOB OF PROVID]NG COUNSEL FOR HOUSING AND LOW ]NCOME HOUSING. I GET TO SAY WHAT I WANT TO SAY. ]S COMING YOU DO. I INAUDIBLE ]
I HAVE T]ME AND ] W]LL NOT BE INTERRUPTED. WE ARE ALREADY DOING A GOOD JOB WITH HOUSING. ] AM FAM]LIAR W]TH ALL OF THIS HERE. WE HAVE ABOUT 125 SPACES RIGHT NOW WE PROVIDE FOR THE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. I DO NOT THTNK ]T IS GOOD, BASED ON EVEN A C]TIZEN THAT JUST COMMENTED AND EMAILS WERE RECEIVING. ] DO NOT TH]NK WE NEED TO BOOK AND OUR CITY , ANOTHER SITE , TWO SITES IN A SMALL CITY OF 75OO PEOPLE. THIS ]S UNHEARD OF FOR THEM TO PARTNER WITH SOMEONE WHo IS STRONG-ARM]NG US AND TWIST]NG OUR AR}IS TO MAKE us Do THrs / THIS LITTGATION. I THINK IT IS UNCONSCIONABLE THAT ANYONE HERE, ESPEC]ALLY ANYONB RUNNING FOR ELECT]ON THIS FALL, WOULD CAVE TO THAT. I DO NOT SUPPORT TH]S. DO NOT ]NTERRUPT ME
PLEASE I COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS. I WILL ASK --AN WE ALL HAVE EQUAL TIME. >> YES. I AM MANAGING THE MEET]NG THAT ] WOULD L]KE TO KNOW WHETHER YOU ARE WILLING TO STAY BEYOND 10:30 TO CLOSE OUT THIS MEETING? THANK YOU. IS ANYONE ELSE CONCERNED ABOUT STAYING BEYOND 10:30? WE DO HAVE A TIMELY MEETING TO END AT 10:30. MEMBER?
T THTNK TT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE W]LL]NG TO STAY BEYOND. >> ] W]LL SAY THIS.
I UNDERSTAND. V]CE MAYOR ZOLLMAN? >> ] WANT TO GET THIS WRAPPED UP AND I AM NOT STAY]NG.
THAT'S TINE AND IIM SORRY FOR INTERRUPT]NG YOU. I DO APPRECIATE EVERYONE STAY]NG AROUND TO CLOSE UP THIS ITEM. PLEASE. IIM SORRY. >>
TH]NK TH]S IS R]GHT FOR SEBASTOPOL. ON THE FACT THAT THE PEOPLE TALK]NG ABOUT WE HAVE A R]GHT TO COME BACK BECAUSE YOU AGREED TO IT. WELL, WE HAVE A R]GHT TO SAY NO WHEN WE WERE NOT ]NFORMED PROPERLY IN THE F]RST PLACE. I WATCHED THE MEET]NG AGA]N AND ] NUMBER ASKING OVER AND OVER AGA]N. IS THERE ANY L]ABIL]TY TO THE C]TY? AND JACK TIBBITS SA]D THERE ]S NOT BUT WE HAVE TO PUT $1OO,OOO AS]DE TO PAY FOR BLAH, BLAH. WE WERE NOT PROPERLY INFORMED HER TO COME BACK WITH LITIGATION AND TO GO TO THE PUBL]C AND MED]A, ALL OF THAT, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE WERE WR]TING WHAT WAS WRONG. WE AS A COUNCIL DESERVE TO BE ]NFORMBD WHEN THEY MAKE A DEC]SION. AND TO SAY THEY HAVE THE R]GHT TO COME AFTER US BECAUSE --THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US ALL THE ]NFORMATION ]N THE FIRST PLACE BUT THE QUESTTON I HAVE IS, DO THEY NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT? OR DTD THEY W]LL]NGLY REPORT INFORMATION,TO FORCE OUR HAND? AND HERE THEY ARE. FORCING THEIR --OUR HAND AGAIN W]TH ATTORNEYS BID KNOW]NG THAT SEBASTOPOL ]S BEING SUED AND HAS FINANC]AL PROBLEMSI THAT ]S A -- THEY W]LL COME IN AND THREATEN A LAWSUIT AND NOTED SOME COUNCILMEMBER WILL OKAY BECAUSE WE HAVE FINANC]AL PROBLEMS BUT ] TH]NK ]T IS WRONG AND IT LACKS ]NTEGRITY. I W]LL NEVER TRUST ST.
VINCENT DePAUL. THANK YOU, 20 FEET WHO WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN NOW? VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN.
IIM SORRY, f'M SORRY. COUNCILMEMBER H]NTONI GO AHEAD' >> WANT TO OVERSTEP. ] HAVE TO SAY TO MY COLLEAGUE, f AM RUNN]NG FOR OFFICE AGA]N. I FEEL VERY INSULTED BY THAT COMMENT. I HAVE RA]SED MY KIDS HERE. I AM FROM HERE. FOURTH GENERATION. WHETHER IIM ELECTED OR NOT, I AM GO]NG TO BE HERE. ] DO NOT MAKE DECIS]ONS TASTE ON TODAY. I MAKE DECISIONS FOR THIS COMMUN]TY BASBD ON THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED ME IN THE FUTURE. SO LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT, I ALSO DO NOT MAKE DECIS]ONS BASED ON LIT]GATION THREATS AND I SUPPORTED THIS ISSUE BEFORE AND MY POS]T]ON HAS NOT CHANGED. LET ME TALK ABOUT TH]S A L]TTLE B]T FOR ST. VINCENT DePAUL. THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA TIME FROM OUR COLLEAGUES. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I BELTEVE, NOT IN A HANDOUT THE SUPPORT OF HOUSING ]S WHAT WE ARE ABOUT. f'M GOING TO GO BACK TO APRIL 28l 20L8. WE LET A CITYWALK OF SEBASTOPOLTS AFFORDABLE HOUS]NG ACTTONS. CAN SEBASTOPOL BE AFFORDABLE ? ST, V]NCENT DCPAUL, FOR THOSE OF yOU WHO. NO, STARTED ON A PROJECT rN OUR COMMUNTTY THAT WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL, RIGHT NEXT TO SA]NT SEBAST]AN CHURCH. ANY OF THOSE DEEDS ARE RESTRICTED FOR LOWER INCOME. I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE ORGAN]ZATION. ARE THEY PERFECT? NO. BUT ] D]D VOTE FOR THIS PROJECT BEFORE WE PICKED THE -- OUT THERE. WITH A LONG-TERM VIEW, AND WE HAVE GOT OVER $5 MILL]ON TO HELP BUILD TH]S HOUS]NG. SO I AM SUPPORTING ]T AGA]N. SECOND ROUND. AND ] APPREC]ATE YOUR RECONSIDERAT]ON. LET ME JUST SAY, EARL]ER TONIGHTI THOUGH WATER RATES CAME BACK UNDER RECONSIDERAT]ON. ]T IS NOT THAT THIS ]S A ONE T]ME TH]NG. WE CAME BACK W]TH THE WATER RATES WHEN WE CHANGED OUR M]ND AND WENT FIVE MEETINGS DEEP TO LOOK AT THAT ISSUE ]N DEPTH, SO I KNOW TH]S IS A HOT TOPIC. BUT SO ARE MODERATES. WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE THAT FULL-TIME TO CONS]DER OUR ACT]ONS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN SHE MET THANK YOU , VLADIMIR. ] W]LL RESTATE WHAT I SA]D BEFORE. NOTH]NG HAS CHANGED FROM MY VIEWPOINT BUT TO BE VERY CLEAR. I'M VERY CLEAR ABOUT HOUSING FIRST. WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO DED]CATED 1.2 YEARS OF THEIR L]FE AS A PUBL]C DEFENDER IN SAN FRANCISCO. SO HONESTLY, ]T WAS A WELL-]NTENT]ONED COMMENT, BUT NO ONE --ON THE NEED OF HOUS]NG FIRST IN ORDER TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM BE]NG INCARCERATED AND ON THE STREETS. ] WANT TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. I DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF EMPATHY FOR PEOPLE IN THAT SPOT. THIS IS A
VERY HARD DEC]S]ON. HOWEVER, WHAT MAKES ]T EASIER FOR ME IS THE FACT THAT I NEED TO SET THAT ASTDE, THAT PERSONAL EXPER]ENCE ]N MY L]FE ASIDE. ] NEED TO EXERCISE MY F]DUC]ARY DUTY TO THE C]TY BEEPING A L]CENSE LAWYERI TT ]S MORE THAN THAT. SO I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR FROM WHAT I SAID BEFORE, TH]S IS ABOUT MY F]DUCIARY DUTY TO THE CITY TO MAKE SURE ]T DOES NOT GO CORRUPT. I SET UP BEFORE AND I ST]LL MA]NTA]N THERE ARE R]SKS TO BE HEARD.
DEFIN]TELY MY QUESTION TO THE GENERAL MANAGER AND TO THE C]TY ATTORNEY, WITH THE FACT THAT ANY TIME WE ENGAGE W]TH PA]D CONSULTANTS FROM AN ENT]TY TO DO THE WORK THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY DO ASK STAFFI YOUIRE ENTRUST]NG ANOTHER ENT]TY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET EVERY DUTY TO THE STATE WITH REALLY STR]CT REQU]REMENTS TO ME/ THAT IS A R]SK AND IIM NOT WTLL]NG TO TAKE TT. G]VEN WHERE WE ARE F]NANCIALLY WITH THE C]TY. SO FOR THAT REASON, ABOUT NOT NEEDING TO INCUR MORE FINANCIAL R]SK WITH THE CITY, T AM DEFINITELY VOT]NG NO FOR THIS PROJECT BUT I WANT TO MAKE ]T CLEARI THE FACT THAT ] AM NOT DO]NG TH]S BECAUSE I HATE THB HOMELESS ] DO NOT HAVE EMPATHY. THAT ]S THE F]RST OF --FURTHEST THING FROM THE TRUTH. ] WANT THAT TO BE RECORDED.
THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN. COUNC]LMEMBER MAURER
] HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS. ] MADE THE DEC]SfON, I THINK ]T WAS BACK IN APR]L. IT WAS A REALLY HARD DEC]SION. I VOTED AGA]NST IT. AT THE TTME, I FEEL L]KE THAT WAS THE BEST DEC]SION I HAD MADE AT THE T]ME. TO ME, THE INFORMAT]ON HAS CHANGED. AND THERE ARE , ]N MY VIEW, THERE ARE A LOT OF MER]TS TO TH]S PROJECT. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE AN EMPTY LOT. TRA]LERS PARKED IN FRONT. WE HAVE MORE TRA]IERS PARKING AROUND THE CITY. ] AM WONDER]NG IF PEOPLE NOTED THAT THE _-LET'S SEE. SORRY. THAT THE COC CONTINUUM OF CARE HAS AMENDED THE]R POL]CIES REGARDING THE PLACEMENT OF HIGH NEED ]NDIV]DUALS SO THAT THEY COULD POSS]BLY BE PLACED MORE FOR PEOPLE IN SEBASTOPOL. SO 1 REMEMBER WHEN I VOTED FOR TH]S , AGAINST ]T THE LAST T]ME. I THOUGHT THEY JUST REDUCTIVE A 6 I/2 M]LLION DOLLAR ESTATE GRANTS.
YOU KNOW? AND T D]D NOT FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT. ] HAVE SEEN THE PLANS.
ACTUALLYI ST. VINCBNT DePAUL HAS WALKED THE PLANS THROUGH DESIGN]NG A NEW PROCESS THIS IS A REALLY GOOD-LOOKING PROJECT. 22 UNITS THEY ARE EXTREMELY LOW, AFFORDABLE HOUS]NG UNITS, IT W]LL HELP OUR MEMBERS TO HAVE THESE BUTLDS. ]T IS A GOOD PROJECT. SO I AM ACTUALLY GRATEFUL TO BRING IT BACK. I AM REALLY SAD ABOUT ALL THE NEGAT]VITY TOWARD TH]S PROJECT. I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A GREAT PROJECT AND A GOOD-LOOK]NG ONE AS WELL.
NOT ONLY BU]LD]NGS, BUT TREES. SO I AM GRATEFUL TO BRING ]T BACK. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR MAYOR WHO D]D A LOT OF GREAT WORK ON BR]NGING THIS BACK. SO I W]LL BE SUPPORTING TH]S. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. AND THE LAST ONE HERE. THAT IS ONE OF THE DOWNS]DES OF BE]NG THE MAYOR. ] HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THIS WAS A FABULOUS PROJECT FROM THE GETGO. ] THOUGHT IT HAD GREAT MER]T TO OFFER THE COMMUNITY. I THOUGHT IT SERVED ]NDIV]DUALS IN THE COMMUNITY. I CONTINUE TO FEEL THAT WAY. ] HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR ST. V]NCENT DePAUL. ] HAVE FOUND THEM TO BE COMPETENT I TO BE TRUSTWORTHY/ TO BE ETH]CAL. CERTA]NLY NOT SLUMLORDS. AND ]N TERMS OF WHO WE ARE SERVING W]TH TH]S PROJECTI ]T IS OUR COMMUN]TY' THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE RIGHT, THERE IS THE RIGHT WITHIN THIS PROJECT TO OFFER E]GHT OF THE UN]TS OF THOSE WHO ARE DISPLACED BY THE PROJECT. IN FACT, E]GHT OF THOSE UNITS W]LL BE OFFERED TO THE FORMER R]SE AND SH]NE RES]DENTS. AND UNDER THE NEW COORD]NATOR ENTRY RULES, THOSE NUMBERS M]GHT BE GREATER. SO BENEF]TS. THIS IS A LOCAL PROJECT THAT BENEFITS LOCAL PEOPLE. ] WOULD L]KE
TO ALSO RECOGN]ZE THERE WERE MANY, MANY PEOPLE. WE HEARD A LOT OF CR]TICAL COMMENTS TON]GHT. A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT. I WOULD L]KE TO REM]ND MY COLLEAGUES HERE THAT WE GET EMA]LS FROM MANY PEOPLE WERE VERY MUCH TN SUPPORT OF TH]S PROJECT. WE NEED TO PLEASE NOT FORGET THE]R OPINIONS TOO. ] THINK ]T ]S A GREAT PROJECT. I HAVE NO APOLOG]ES ]N TERMS OF MY CONDUCT ON TH]S PROJECT. THIS PROJECT WAS DENIED BY THE C]TY COUNCIL. THERE WERE CHANGED CIRCUMSTANCES. IIVE ALWAYS BELIEVED ]N THIS PROJECT. I APPROACHED IT ]N GOOD FA]TH AND ETHICAL MANNER AFTER CONSULT]NG W]TH OUR C]TY ATTORNEY. ST. VINCENT DePAUL AND --JOINED US IN THAT EFFORT.
THERE ARE NO PROMTSES MADE. ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS ] ALWAYS SAY/ ] AM ONE ]NDIVIDUAL C]TY COUNCIL MATTER. NO DEC]SIONS ARE MADE UNT]L ]T COMES TO THE FULL C]TY COUNC]L. ] DO NOT MAKE THOMASES AND I DO NOT REPRESENT THIS C]TY COUNC]L ]ND]V]DUALLY AND NEVER HAVE. SO THIS ]S A PROJECT I SUPPORT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. ] AM HOPEFUL THAT AS MANY PROJECTS ]N TH]S TOWN,
AS I HAVE SEEN THEM I THAT THIS WILL BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT ' SO I AM LOOK]NG FOR A MOTION. >>
TH]NK]NG ABOUT WANTING TO BR]NG TH]S BACK. THIS YEAR, THE C]TY OF SEBASTOPOL SPENT AN ESTIMATED I OR OVER $600'000 ON ATTORNEY FEES' AND SO TO DEFEND ANOTHER LAWSU]T WOULD HAVE BEEN ANOTHER 1OO OR $2OO,OOO TO DEFEND A LAWSU]T TO COMPARE THE, SPEND 1OO OR $2OO, OOO MORE COMPARED TO HAVING A GOOD PROJECT. A GOOD HOUS]NG PROJECT. 1T IS , TN A WAY, THE PROJECT HAS MORE MER]TS THEN ]T WOULD BE TO SPEND MONEY ON ANOTHER LAWSU]T. ] W]LL MAKE A MOTION --MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE THE MOT]ON?
NO, YOU GO
I LAUGHTER ] OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO FORMULATE THE MOTION? PLEASE. >> CITY ATTORNEY? >> THB CfTY MANAGER, WE WOULD L]KE A MOT]ON TO VER]FY YOUR AGREEMENT W]TH ST. VINCENT DePAUL, SECTTON 6D WHERE THEY FUND
STAFF SUPPORT OF THAT WOULD BE CLEAR THAT THE CITY WOULD CONTRACT WITH WHATEVER EXPERT ]S RETA]NED THEY WOULD REIMBURSE THE CITY OR WOULD FUND THAT EXPENSE. BUT THAT WE WOULD CHOOSE AN CONTRACT,
] AM SORRY. SO YOUIRE SUGGESTING THAT VERIFICATION NEEDS TO BE ADDED? OKAY. SO IN THE MOT]ON, WE SHOULD MOVE THAT THE CITYI WHAT COUNCIL TS
APPROVING, THERE IS A CONSULTANT SELECTED AT THB DISCRETION OF THE CITY MANAGER. >> FOOD FOR THOUGHT. ]T ]S ARE A CONSISTENT W]TH 6E. MAK]NG DOUBLY SURE ]T ]S CLEAR GOING IN.
OKAY. AND JACK TIBB]TS, JUST TO CONF]RM THE UNDERSTANDING. THAT THE C]TY MANAGER WOULD BE SELECT]NG THE CONSULTANT THAT ST. VINCENT DePAUL WOULD REIMBURSE THE CITY. IS THAT CORRECT?
THAT ]S RIGHT WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THAT.
OKAY. >> APPLTCAT]ON. TH]S IS BASED ON THE COMMENTS AROUND THE COMPARISON ABOUT THE EIR. THE APPLICANT PAYS THE FULL COST AND SO IT ACTUALLY WORKS FOR THE C]TY. DEPENDTNG ON WHAT THE C]TY AND CHECKING WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY PAD]LLA PROBABLY RECOMMENDS WE STRUCTURE IT THE SAME WAY. IT IS A B]T OF A MORE M]NISTRY TO CHALLENGE THAT W]LL TAKE MORE TIME. ] JUST WANT TO MAKE ]T CLEAR FROM THE COUNC]L AND WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE ON TH]S POINT. BEFORE WE LEAVE.
] TH]NK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND. ] THINK THE PREFERENCE ] AM HEARING ]S THAT
THERE BE A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CONSULTANT , THAT THE CONSULTANT TS SELECTED BY THE CTTY MANAGER. AND I ALSO ADDING ON YOU WOULD PREFER RE]MBURSEMENT TO THE C]TY AS OPPOSED TO __AN NOT SO MUCH THAT.
THERE WTLL BE A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CTTY AND THE EXPERT.
OKAY. AND JACK TIBBITS, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? I CANNOT IMAGINE. JACK?
NO, HOWEVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO ]T. WHETHER IT IS RED]RECT PAY OR REIMBURSE PAY. THAT ]S FINE BY US.
AND THE CONTRACT WOULD BE BETWEEN THE CONSULTANT AND THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL?
THAT WOULD BE FINE. WANT TO MAKE SURE THE CONTRACT HAS A LIM]TED SCOPE TO THIS PROJECT.
GOT 1T. THE LANGUAGES TN THE AGREEMENT. >>
OKAY. SO YES, I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. SO DO WE NEED A MOD]FICATION ON THE MOTTON? ]S THERE SOME SPEC]F]C PROV]S]ON WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN THE MOT]ON? ]IM LOOK]NG AT THE C]TY ATTORNEY, CITY MANAGER, >> STATEMENT THAT THE CITY W]LL CONTRACT PURSUANT TO SECTION 5E OF THE AGREEMENT WH]CH YOU ARE ABOUT TO APPROVE. THE CITY W]LL CONTRACT WITH THE CONSULTANT OF ]TS OWN CHOOS]NG. AND THEY W]LL MAKE RE]MBURSEMENT ARRANGEMENTS WITH THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL.
YOU WANT TO BE THAT SPEC]FIC ABOUT REIMBURSEMENT ARRANGEMENTS ?
PAYMENT ARRANGEMENTS
OKAYI PAYMENT ARRANGEMENTS' I COULD SEE THE CITY DBC]D]NG THE MONEY SHOULD JUST BE PAID DIRECTLY TO THE CONSULTANT >>
GAVE US MONEY -- I DO NOT -- JUST PA]D BY THEM BUT ]'M GOOD WITH ]T. >> MARY GOURLEYI D]D YOU CATCH ALL OF THAT? OKAY' YOU WANT TO TELL US WHAT THE MOT]ON IS BEING MODIFIED TO SO THAT COUNC]LMEMBER MAURER CAN SAY. YESI T MOVE THAT?
I INAUD]BLE ] GO AHEADI MARY GOURLEY
MARY GOURLEY -- >> IT IS LATE. SORRY. W]TH THE OPERATION --LOCATED AT 850 -- HIGHWAYI BETWEEN THE C]TY OF SEBASTOPOL AND THE SOCIETY OF ST' V]NCENT DE PAUL D]STR]CT --W]TH SECT]ON 6E PEND]NG A STAFF REPORT TO BE CLARIFIED W]TH THE CITY MANAGER OF THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL WOULD BE SELECTING THE CONSULTANT AND CHOOS]NG EVER MAKE PAYMENT ARRANGEMENTS WITH ST. VINCENT DePAUL AND THAT THE CONTRACT WOULD BE BETWEEN THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL AND
THE CONSULTANTS/EXPERT
SO MOVED.
OKAY. I W]LL SECOND ]T. ROLL CALL VOTEI PLEASE ? MARY GOURLEY?
OKAY. SO MOVED BY COUNC]LMEMBER MAURER AND SECONDED BY MADAME MAYOR TO APPROVE THE DES]GNATTON AS I JUST STATED. COUNCILMEMBER H]NTON. AYE.
COUNCILMEMBER MAURER. YES. TRIED IT. NO. VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN. NO. MAYOR RICH. YES. THE MOT]ON PASSES 3-2. COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS AND V]CE MAYOR ZOLLMAN ]N OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH BUT G]VEN THE TTME, ] TH]NK WE W]LL NOW JUST CLOSE THE MEETTNG. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYONE, FOR HANGING ]N THERE. IT WAS A PLEASURE. YESI THANK YOU'
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