Sebastopol City Council
July 16, 2024

City Council
Mayor Diana Gardner Rich
Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman
Councilmember Neysa Hinton
Councilmember Sandra Maurer
Councilmember Jill McLewis
City Manager
Don Schwartz
[email protected]
Assistant City Manager/City Clerk, MMC
Mary Gourley
mgourlev @CitvofsebastoPol.gov
Gity of Sebastopol

CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
MINUTES FOR MEETING OF: Tuesday -July 16,2024
SPECIAL MEETING START TIME: 4:00 pm
MINUTES FOR Regular City Council Meeting of )uly-I6,2UA As Approved by the City Council at their regular meeting of Ausust 6, 2024 Please note that these are action minutes only. Detailed raw transcript is attached to the minutes and made a part of the public record. These action minutes are the City's record of a summary of actions that took place at the meeting. The vote/action is the required information of the meeting actions that took place. Approved minutes are available on the City Council Meetings page.

The public is advised that pursuant to Government Code section 54957 .5 all writings submitted to the City and City Council are public records and will be made available for review. 4:00 pm Citv Council Regular Meeting. ln Person - Sebastopol Youth Annex. 425 Morris Street, Sebastopol. CA/y'irtual Format (Zoom)
Callto Order: Mayor Rich called the Regular Meeting to Order at 4:05 pm' Roll Call:

Present: Mayor Diana Gardner Rich
Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman
Councilmember Neysa Hinton
Councilmember Sandra Maurer
Councilmember lill Mclewis

Absent: None
Staff: City Manager Don Schwartz (Zoom)
Assistant City Manager/City Clerk Mary Gourley
Administrative Services Director Ana Kwong
Building Official Steve Brown
GHD Consultant Toni Bertolero
Fire Chief Shepley Schroth-CarY
lnterim Planning Director David Woltering
Police Chief Ron Nelson
Public Works Superintendent Dante Del Prete
SALUTE TO THE FLAG : Mayor Rich led the salute to the flag.

REMOTE PARTICIPATION UNDER A82449 (lF NEEDED): To consider and take action on any request from a Council Member to participate in a meeting remotely due to lust Cause or Emergency Circumstances pursuant to AB 2449 (Government Code Section 549539(f)). None Required.

PROCLAMATIONS/PRESENTATIONS: NON E
STATEMENTS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST: Conflicts of interest may arise in situations where a public official deliberating towards a decision, has an actual or potential financial interest in the matter before the Council. ln accordance with state law, an actual conflict of interest is one that would be to the private financial benefit of a ?l20BodegaAvenue,Sebastopol,CaliforniagS4T2 Tel,707.823,I153 Fax,707,823.I135 wvrrvu cityofsebastopol, org
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9 public official, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A potential conflict of interest is one that could be to the private financial benefit of a Councilmember, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A Councilmember must publicly announce potential and actual conflicts of interest, and, in the case of actual conflict of interest, must refrain from participating in debate on the issue or from voting on the issue and must remove themselves from the dais.

There were no stated conflicts of interest by City Councilmembers' puBLtc coMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA (FIRST COMMENT PERIOD):

Up to Twenty (20) Minute Time Limit (Two Minutes for up to ten speakers). Addltional public comment will be held at the end of the discussion and action items for up to an additional twenty (20) minutes. Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers. process for calling on Speakers: Mayor or designee shall ask for public comment as follows: Speakers to be called on in an alternate manner (One speaker in person to be called on firsq then one speaker remote to be called on second with additional speakers to be called on in the same manner) based upon the time limit.

The following member(s) of the public spoke during public comment Oliver
Kate
Mayor Rich responded to public comment.

CONSENT CALEN DAR: The consent agenda consists of items that are routine in nature and do not require additional discussion by the City Council or have been reviewed by the City Council previously. These items may be approved by one motion without discussion unless a member of the City Council requests that the item be taken off the consent calendar.

The Mayor will read the consent calendar items; ask if a Councilmember wishes to remove one or more items from the consent calendar; and then open public comment to the members of the public in attendance. At this time, a member of the public may speak for up to three minutes on the entire consent calendar and request at that time that an agenda item or items be removed for discussion. lf an item or items are removed from the consent calendar, the item shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor or Mayor Pro Tern.

Councilmembers may comment on Consent Calendar items or ask for minor clarifications without the need for pulling the item for separate consideration. ltems requiring deliberation should be pulled for separate consideration and shall be placed at the end ofthe regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor or Mayor Pro Tem.

MayorRichaskedif anyCouncilmemberwantedtoremoveaconsentcalendaritem. Therewerenone.

Mayor Rich opened for Public Comment(s). The following member(s) of the public provided public comment Linda
Mayor Rich responded to public comment
MOTION:

Councilmember Maurer moved and Councilmember Hinton seconded the motion to approve Consent Calendar Item Numbers !,2,3, 4 and 5.

Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer, Mclewis, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: None

1. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes for Meeting of July I,2024 - Special City Council Meeting - Closed Session (Responsible Department: Assistant City Manager/City Clerk) City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes for Meeting of July 1',2024 - Special City Council Meeting - Closed Session
Minute Order Number: 2024-156

2. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes for Meeting of July 2,2024 - Regular City Council Meeting (Responsible Department: Assistant City Manager/City Clerk) City Council Action: Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes for Meeting of July 2,2024 - Regular City Council Meeting
Minute Order Number: 2024-1-57

3. Adoption of Resolution Approving an SB 1 Proposed Project List for Fiscal Year 2024-251 Pursuant to the requirements of SB 1, the Road Repair and Accountability Act of 20!7,lhe City must adopt a resolution approving a list of projects proposed to be eligible for receiving fiscal year funding from the Road Maintenance and Rehabilitation Account (RMRA), created by SB 1. The projected revenue in Fiscal Year 2024-25 RMRA funding from SB 1" that the City would be eligible to receive is 5194,800 (Responsible Department: Engineering)
SR l-16 ADA Curb Ramps and Bodega Avenue Pedestrian Crossing Bodega Ave. Guardrails Replacement
City Council Action: Approved Adoption of Resolution Approving an SB 1 Proposed Project List for Fiscal Year 2024-251 pursuant to the requirements of sB l-, the Road Repair and Accountability Act of 2017,lhe city must adopt a resolution approving a list of projects proposed to be eligible for receiving fiscal year funding from the Road Maintenance and Rehabilitation Account (RMRA), created by SB 1. The projected revenue in FiscalYear 2024-25 RMRA funding from SB 1 that the City would be eligible to receive is 5194,800 Minute Order Number: 2024-1-58
ResolutionNumber: 6601,-2024

4. Approve the Funding Agreement for use of FY 2020-2021 CDBG funds for the Youth Annex ADA project/The amount of the grant is S5O,O0O and this project is included in the Fiscal Year2024-25 Capital tmprovement Plan adopted by Council on July 2,2024. Although the total CDBG funding is $50,000, only S45,OOO is available to the City since CDC staff has used 55,000 for their administrative and environmental review. (Responsible Department: Engineering) City Council Action: Approved Funding Agreement for use of FY 2020-2021- CDBG funds for the Youth Annex ADA project/The amount of the grant is S50,OOO and this project is included in the FiscalYear2024-25 Capital lmprovement Plan adopted by Council on July 2,2024. Although the total CDBG funding is 550,000, only 545,000 is available to the City since CDC staff has used S5,OO0 for their administrative and environmental review.

Minute Order Number: 2024-159

5. Approval of Waiving of Second Reading and Adoption of Ordinance Number 1150 to approve a Development Agreement for the Hotel Sebastopol at 6828 Depot Street (Responsible Department:

Planning)
City Council Action: Approved Waiving of Second Reading and Adoption of Ordinance Number 11-50 to approve a Development Agreement for the Hotel sebastopol at 6828 Depot Street Minute Order Number: 2024-160
Ordinance Number: 1150
lN FORMATIONAL ITEMS/PRESENTATIONS: Informational ttems or Presentatlons are ltems that are informational only and do not require action by the City Council. presentations shall be scheduled as necessary for the promotion of an event or service or general informatlon items to the Council and should be limited to ten (10) minutes total in length of item (total length includes questions of Council to presenter and public comment).

6. lnformation Presentation from California lntergovernmental Risk Authority (CIRA) (Vice Mayor Zollman/Councilmember Hinton) This will be a short presentation from the City's Risk Authority (CIRA) on CIRA Services & Resources and Protecting the assets of CIRA members which the City is a member. CIRA partners with member agencies in developing and implementing risk management best practices and prioritizing pool resources to those exposures with the highest potential for loss.

Vice Mayor Zollman and Councilmember Hinton introduced the item and introduced speakers.

Amy Conley and Erike Young, CIRA Representatives, provided a short presentation.

Mayor Rich opened for questions of the speakers. Mayor Rich asked questions of the speakers.

Mayor Rich opened for public comment. The following member(s) of the public provided public comment Linda
Mayor Rich thanked the presenters.

City CouncilAction: No action required. lnformational presentation only Reference Order Number: 2024-161'
PUBLIC HEARING(S):

7. public Hearing - To consider the Proposed Operating Budget for fiscal year 2024-25 (Responsible Department: City Manager/Administrative Services Director) Actions lnclude:

Review of FY 24 25 Budget and Direction to staff on recommended changes Creation of Ad Hoc Committee for Sebastopol Cultural Community Center (SCCC) Building Assessment (As approved in the CIP for 585,000)
Creation of Ad Hoc Committee to explore Specialized Assistance for Everyone (SAFE) Program Setting Date for Mini Goals Setting Session prior to the Mid Year Budget Review City Manager Don Schwartz presented the agenda item and provided a presentation.

Mayor Rich opened for questions of staff from the City Council. The Council asked questions of staff and committee members.

Mayor Rich opened the public hearing. The following members of the public provided comments:

Oliver
Robert
Kenyon
Li nda
Resident
Kyle
Aaron
Skip
June
Tanya
Mary
Phil
Hearing no further comments, Mayor Rich closed the public hearing.

Mayor Rich called for a break at 6:55 pm and reconvened the meeting at 7:34 pm Citv Council Di sion. Deliberations, and/or Direction to Staff:

The Council conducted straw votes on the following:

City Council Budget
52,500 reduction in contract with PCA for video for council meetings. APPROVED 5 to 0.

S4,0OO reduction for legal hearing notices' APPROVED 5 to 0. 53,500 reduction in cost for Shuttle Fare program. Schwartz explained that Sonoma County Transit, knowing the city's financial difficulties, simply cut the cost of this program. APPROVED 5 to 0. $36,800 shift of the Homeless Outreach contract to the Police Department, which has lead responsibility for this role. Vice Mayor Zollman disagreed; APPROVED 4lo 1"
S1O,OO0 shift of costs for public communications to city manager's office. APPROVED 5 to 0. 57,1BG increase in benefits which may occur with new councilmembers. APPROVED 5 to O.

S1O,0OO increase for contract support for basic goal-setting session. APPROVED 5 to O.

S4,OOO increase to fund membership in the Government Alliance for Racial Equity and organizations such as the NAACP, Latino Service Providers, etc. DENIED 4lo I, Vice Mayor Zollman: Yes.

City Manager Budget
Additions include:
552,000 for continuing with Bob Leland of Baker Tilly, possible management review of Administrative Services to improve financial reporting, estimating expenses for capital projects, etc. APPROVED BUT REDUCED TO 532,000 on a 5 to O vote, with the option to come back at midyear.

Equipment, Technology, and Vehicle Reserve fund: 523,000 for analysis of financing needs for City fleet and identification of opportunities for operational improvements. APPROVED AT 520,000 on a 5 to 0 vote.

S1O,OO0 for facilitator for performance evaluation. APPROVED 5 to 0. 56,000 for payment for prior work for Relaunch program. APPROVED 5 to 0.

S10,OO0 shift of contract costs for public communications from City Council to City Manager. APPROVED 5 to 0.

Ag Attorney & Assistant City Manoger/City Clerk Budgets City Attorney Budget-No significant changes.

Assistant City Manager/City Clerk Budget
S1O,OO0 in reduced ballot measure expenses to reflect current plans. APPROVED 5 to 0' Ad m i n istrotive Services Bu dg et
5114,600 in reductions for new server, cost allocation study, creation of Section 115 trust, and ballot measure expenses. APPROVED 5 to 0.

S1O,O0O increase for software maintenance. APPROVED 5 to 0' $ZS,OOO shift of expenses for property tax services from non-departmental budget. APPROVED 5 to 0.

S3,OO0 increase for one person in City to attend Marin-Sonoma Leadership Academy or other training. DENIED 3 to 2 (Vice MayorZollman and Councilmember Mclewis; Yes. 530,000 for classification/compensation study. APPROVED 4 to 1 (Councilmember Maurer: No)' 510,OOO to update 2022 staffing study to reflect organizational changes. APPROVED 4 to 1 to bring back at midyear. (Councilmember Maurer: No).

S2,AOOfor training and certification from the California lntergovernmental Risk Authority (CIRA). APPROVED 5 to U.

Plonning Budget
Sg1,8OO in reimbursement of staff time for revenue-generating work on development projects (S21,000) and grants (570,800). APPROVED 4 to 1" (Councilmember McLewis: No) S5O,OOO for monitoring of ownership housing units, from the Housing Linkage Fee fund. DENIED 4 to 1 (Vice Mayor Zollman: Yes)
S22,OO0 for monitoring of rental housing units from the lnclusionary Housing Fund. APPROVED 3 to 2 (Councilmembers Hinton and Mclewis: No).

Senior Center. The city is reducing its contribution to the Senior Center by 538,250 and eliminating financial support for operations. APPROVED 5 to 0.

Community Cultural Center. 558,300 to cover six months of operating expenses as it attempts to become selfsustaining. APPROVED 4 to 1 (Vice Mayor Zollman: No). lves Pool. There were no changes to the proposed budget. APPROVED 5 to 0' Fire Deportment Budget
5156,223 reduction in salary by not filling the fire chief position. APPROVED 5 TO 0' 5136,799 in contractexpensesforfire chief contractwith Gold Ridge Fire Protection District' APPROVED 5TO0' Sg5,00O increase to fund costs related to fire consolidation with Gold Ridge. This is includes 550,000 for attorney fees, $15,000 for public education, and $30,000 for LAFCo, APPROVED 5 TO 0. $40,000 increase in firefighter expenses to expand coverage. APPROVED 5 TO 0 as Placeholder Only) Shift 54O,O0O from retention voucher program for firefighters to expand coverage. APPROVED 5 TO 0 as Placeholder Only
S2O,O00 increase rn equipment to replace essential radros. APPROVED 5 TO 0.

The budget includes S11,000 to continue the Map Your Neighborhood program. APPROVED 4To I (Vice Mayor Zollman: No)
placeholder of 5100,000, due to the need to be flexible with consolidation. APPROVED 5 TO 0' Police Budget
5122,830 reduction in expenses for improvements in Police Department building and equipment, which will be funded by the Police Endowment. APPROVED 5 TO 0.

S2O,O0O increase to fund assessment and initial improvements of City's Emergency Operation Center and emergency responsibility. APPROVED 5 TO 0.
54,465 increase with the shift of remaining FY23-24 warming center funds to Police Department from Fire Department. APPROVED 5 TO 0
S1O,00O add-on for a warming/cooling center. APPROVED 4TO 1-, Councilmember Mclewis: No 511,500 increase due to the shift of traffic engineering to Police Department. APPROVED 5 TO 0.

Sg,O00 increase to a total of 516,000 to increase capacity for towing recreational vehicles. APPROVED 5 TO 0.

Two police positions, carried over from last year's budget. APPROVED 4TO 1' Vice Mayor Zollman: No Building Budget
The building budget was APPROVED 5 to 0.

Engineering Budget
S163,000 savings from consolidation with Public Works, APPROVED 5 TO 0. $11,500 reduction and shift of the traffic engineering contract to Police Department. APPROVED 5 TO 0.

Additional S5,O0O to support solrd waste hauler procurement. APPROVED 5 TO 0' Public Works Budget
521.g,213 reduction due primarily to retirement of the Public Works Superintendent and consolidation of Public Works and Engineering Departments' APPROVED 5 TO 0.
$72,000 reduction due to a shift of a laborerto focus on water and sewer systems. APPROVED 5 TO 0. 566,000 in reimbursement from grants and City's Building reserve fund for projects' APPROVED 5 TO 0. 564,000 reduction in maintenance-related contracts. APPROVED 5 TO 0. 526,000 reduction in maintenance services and supplies. APPROVED 5 TO 0. 552,000 increase in contract services with the shift of West County Community Services contract for Park Village to Public Works. APPROVED 5 TO 0'
520,000 addition for Libby Park fencing materials' APPROVED 5 TO 0' S5,OO0 addition for more reflective sign poles to improve pedestr:an crosswalk. APPROVED 5 TO 0 MOTION:

Councilmember Maurer moved and Councilmember Mclewis seconded the motion to: Provide direction to staff for amendments to the propose d FY 24 25 Budget and directed staff to return the budget to the next City Council Meeting for consideration of adoption.

Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote VOTE:

Ayes:

Noes:

Absent:

Abstain
Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer, Mclewis, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich None
None
None
City Council Action: Provide direction to staff for amendments to the Proposed FY 24 25 Budget and directed staff to return the budget to the next City Council Meeting for consideration of adoption.

Minute Order Number: 2024-L62
Creotion of Ad Hoc Committee for Sebostopol Culturol Community Center (SCCC) Building Assessment (As opproved in the CIP for 585,000)
Item to be continued to future meetinq
Reference Order Number: 2024-1'63
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Vice Mayor Zollman moved and Mayor Rich seconded the motion to create an ad hoc committee and with the obligation to return to the Council for addition of scope and timing to be returned to Council with the recommendation that the Vice Mayor and Mayor as committee members, Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich
Noes: Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer and McLewis

Absent: None
Abstain: None
Motion Fails
City CouncilAction: None -Motion Fails
Minute Order Number: 2024-1,64
MOTION:

Mayor Rich moved and Councilmember Maurer seconded the motion to direct staff to set a date for Mini Goals Setting Session prior to the Mid Year Budget Review.

Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Maurer, Mclewis, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich Noes: Councilmember Hinton

Absent: None
Abstain: None
CityCouncilAction: DirectedstafftosetadateforMiniGoalsSettingSessionpriortotheMidYearBudget Review.

Minute Order Number: 2024-1-65
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REG U LAR CALEN DAR AG EN DA ITEMS (DISCUSSION AND/OR ACIIONXCONTI N U ED) :

B. Discussion and Consideration of Placement of ballot measure onto the November 2024 Election; Polling Results (Responsible Department: City Manager/Consultant/Outside Legal Counsel) City Manager Don Schwartz presented the agenda item and provided a presentation' Mayor Rich opened for questions of staff from the City Council.

Mayor Rich opened for public comment. The following members of the public provided comments:

Aaron
Robert
Linda
Kyle
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Mayor Rich moved and councilmember Hinton seconded the motion to MOTION:
1) Adopt the proposed Resolution calling for the placement of a general tax measure on the ballot for the November 5,2024 general municipal election for the submission to the qualified voters of an ordinance to enact a general transactions and use tax (sales tax) at the rate of half -cent; and requesting that the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors consent to the consolidations of this election with the statewide general election to be held on the same date; and modify the proposed resolution and ordinance to refer uniformly to a half -cent tax; with modified language:

Terminate 1-2 years from operative date
Staff read the question:

Sebastopol Public Safety, Roads, City Services Measure:To maintain Sebastopol's City services such as 911 emergency medical/policefire response, wildfire/emergency preparedness, maintenance of streets/roads, parks/trails, library, youth and senior services, retaining/attracting local businesses; and for general government use, shall the measure establishing a% centsales tax generating approximately $1,520,000 annually terminating L2 years upon operative date, requiring audits, public spending disclosure, all funds used locally, be adopted? 2) Appoint, by motion, up to two members of the City Council to prepare the argument to be submitted in favor of the measure, and a rebuttal against any arguments submitted against the measure:

Appointed Mayor Rich and Vice Mayor Zollan

3. Directed staff to return with a Council policy on allocation of funds if the sales tax measure passes.

Mayor Rich called for a roll call vote, City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Maurer, Mclewis, Vice Mayor Zollman and Mayor Rich Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: None
City CouncilAction:
1) Adopt the proposed Resolution calling for the placement of a general tax measure on the ballot for the November 5,2024 general municipal election for the submission to the qualified voters of an ordinance to enact a general transactions and use tax (sales tax) at the rate of half -cen! and requesting that the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors consent to the consolidations of this election with the statewide generalelection to be held on the same date; and modifythe proposed resolution and ordinance to refer uniformly to a half -cent tax; with modified language:

Terminate 12 years from operative date
Staff read the question:

Sebastopol Public Safety, Roads, City Services Measure: To maintain Sebastopol's City services such as 911- emergency medical/police/fire response, wildfire/emergency preparedness, maintenance of streets/roads, parks/trails, library, youth and senior services, retaining/attracting local businesses; and for general government use, shall the measure establishing alz cenlsales tax generating approximately S1,520,000 annually terminating 12 years upon operative date, requiring audits, public spending disclosure, allfunds used locally, be adopted? 2) Appoint, by motion, up to two members of the City Council to prepare the argument to be submitted in favor of the measure, and a rebuttal against any arguments submitted against the measure:

Appointed Mayor Rich and Vice Mayor Zollan

3. Directed staff to return with a Council policy on allocation of funds if the sales tax measure passes.

Minute Order Number: 2024-1-66
Resolution Number: 6602-2024

9. Discussion and Consideration Fire Ad Hoc Committee Duties/Tasks/Duration of Committee (Responsible Department: Fire Ad Hoc Committee/City Manager)
Item not heard/will be continued.

City CouncilAction: None / ltem Continued
Minute Order Number: 2024-1'67

10. Consideration of Creation of City CouncilAd Hoc Committee for Purpose of Evaluation of Proposals and Conducting lnterviews with Proposers for Services Related to the City of Sebastopol's Solid Waste Collection Agreement (Responsible Department: Assistant City Manager/City Clerk) Item not heard/will be continued.

City Council Action: None/ ltem Continued
Minute Order Number: 2024-L68
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ADJOURNMENT OF CITY COUNCI L MEETING
July 16th 2024City Council Regular Meeting will be adjourned to the City Council Regular Meeting of Tuesday, August 6,2024 at 6:00 , Sebastopol Youth Annex, 425 Morris Street.

Mayor Rich adjourned the City Council Meeting of July 1.6,2024 at 1L:35 pm to the next City Council Meeting of August 6,2024 at 6:00 pm, Sebastopol Youth Annex,425 Morris Street.

Respectful ly Su bm itted
V,l^rLfu"bf
Mary Gourley
Assistant City Manager/City Clerk
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PLEASE STAND BY FOR REALTIME CAPTIONS.

HELLO TEST
I CAN HEAR YOU.

TESTING TESTING 12.

I CAN STILL HEAR YOU.

SO LOOKING FOR A THUMBS UP FROM STAFFS.

CAN WE MAKE SURE ALL THE LAPTOPS ARE MUTED? I'M STILL HEARING THE ECHO.

SO COLINCILMEMBERS LET'S MAKE SURE OUR LAPTOPS ARE MUTED. MINE IS.

I'M ACTUALLY NOT HEARING ONE. BUT OKAY.

STILL LOOKING FOR A THUMBS UP AND THEN WE WILL GET GOING.

READY TO GO WHEN EVER YOU ARE READY TO START THE MEETING.

ALL RIGHT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. IT IS ABOUT -- WE ARE GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER IT IS ABOUT FOUR COLLINSON TODAY. OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO DO THE ROLL CALL.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

COI.]NCILMEMBER HINTON.

COLTNCILMEMBER TRANO6

COLINCILMEMBER LEWIS
VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN.

ALL COTINCILMEMBERS ARE IN ATTENDANCE.

NOW WE WOULD DO THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG. PLEASE RISE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO TT{E FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION LINDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

MOVING ALONG WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS HERE. OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING THIS EVENING. WE WILL MOVE ONTO STATEMENTS OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST. ASKING MY PEERS -. NO CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. MOVING ON DENSA PUBLICCOMMENT ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. OUR FIRST COMMENT PERIOD AND I WILL TURN TO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER TO HANDLE THAT.

SO AS STATED THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT I GO IN CHAMBERS FIRST AND TI{AT I GO OUT TO THE ZOOM AND RETURN BACK TO IN CHAMBERS. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. IT IS A 20 MINUTE LIMIT. IF YOU DON'T GET TO SPEAK DURING THE FIRST 20 MINUTES YOU HAVE A SECOND PUBLICCOMMENT AT THE END OF THE MEETING. THERE IS NO TIMER SO I WIL JUMP IN WHEN THERE ARE 30 SECONDS LEFT.

CHAMBER OF COMMERCE -. IF YOU BUY THESE -- MONEY COMES TO THE CITY. WE NEED EVERY PENNY WE CAN GET. SECONDLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEYS. I TOOK THE SURVEY SURVEY. THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS CIRCULATING. CLICKED ON IT WAS GOING TO FILL IT IN LATER. I HAVEN'T SEEN IINAUDIBLE] TO THE STAFF ABOUT THAT. A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TI{E SAME PROBLEM. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE RESULTS ARE. ON THE BUDGET CONVERSATION TODAY. THAT

WAS GREATLY -- ASKING PEOPLE WHAT THEY THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT IN TFM CITY. SO, I GUESS THAT IS MY COMMENT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU OLNER FOR YOUR PUBLICCOMMENT. I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM.

CATHERINE CAN YOU LINMUTE YOURSELF?
I WIL JUMP IN WHEN YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT.

THE CITY NEEDS TO ASK WHY SEBASTOPOL HAS 81 HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE MOST RECENT COLTNT ESTIMATE ONLY HAS 15. WHY DOES SEBASTOPOL HAVE 500 PERCENT MORE HOMELESS PEOPLE THEN [INAUDIBLE] A TOWN OF SIMILAR SIZE, AND EQUALLY CLOSE TO SANTA ROSA AND ROLANDO PARK.

WHAT IS SEBASTOPOL DOING TO DRAW IN SO MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE

WHICH ARE HAVING A HUGE IMPACT ON OUR POLICE FIRE AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS BUDGET? I WOULD LIKE CITY STAFF AND COUNSEL

TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHY OUR NUMBERS ARE SO HIGH COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES. NINE IN .- 33 HEALDSBURG 26IN WINDSOR WHICH BY THE WAY IS OVER 26,000 PEOPLE. AND 40 IN THE CITY OF SONOMA. WHAT CAN SEBASTOPOL DO TO REDUCE HIS NUMBERS. AND PERHAPS HALF AGAIN NEXT YEAR SO WE ARE MORE IN LINE WITH HOBBY? IT WAS DISINGENUOUS

AND MISLEADING TO TELLS SEBASTOPOL RESIDENTS THAT THE SAME

VINCENT DE PAUL PROJECT WOULD HAVE A HELPFUL IMPACT FOR OUR HOMELESS POPULATTON. THE PROJECT WILL BE JUST LIKE ALL OTHER

PROJECTS WERE PEOPLE FROM A COTINTY WHITE LIST GENERATED VIA THE COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM ARE GIVING SPACES. [INAUDIBLE] CONFIRMED THIS IN A JL]NE 27th PRESS DEMOCRAT ARTICLE WHICH I'M QUOTING FROM THAT. TIBBETT SAID IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT INDIVIDUALS

WHO ARE LIVING IN HORIZON VILLAGE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS HOUSING AT UNAUDIBLE] COMMENTS BUT AGAIN THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH COORDINATED ENTRY HE SAID.

YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.

ONCE AGAIN COLTNSEL VOTED FOR A PROJECT WITHOUT REALLY
UNDERSTANDING WHAT EXACTLY [INAUDIBLE]. AND NOW WE WILL HAVE OVER 50 UNAUDIBLE] HIGH NEEDS INDIVIDUALS WITHIN CITY LIMITS

WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR POLICE FIRE OR SOCIAL SERVICES. PEOPLE ADMITTED TO [INAUDIBLE] PROJECTS ARE HOMELESS

PEOPLE THAT ARE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO HOUSE DUE TO THEIR LIFELONG MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTION ISSUES. HOW DOES

SEBASTOPOL GOING TO PAY FOR THE UPTICK IN SERVICES --
THAT IS TWO MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLICCOMMENT. I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. IS THERE SOMEONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLICCQMMENT NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA? I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZONE. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLICCOMMENT ON A ITEM NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY. LINDA CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF?

THANK YOU GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLICCOMMENT LINDA'
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT UP -- [INAUDIBLE]. MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO RECOGNIZE HOW WE GOT HERE. [INAUDIBLE]
LINDA YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS.

UNAUDIBLE]
LINDA THAT IS TWO MINUTES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
PUBLICCOMMENT FOR AN ITEM NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOl/l, ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY. SEEING NONE PUBLICCOMMENT IS CLOSED'
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL RESPONSE A COUPLE COMMENTS. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. ARE THE SURVEY AND POLL RESULTS AVAILABLE TO TI{E PUBLIC ONLINE? I LINDERSTOOD THAT THEY WERE.

THEY ARE PUBLISHED. SO THEY ARE AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT IS WHAT I LINDERSTOOD. I HEAR CONFIRMATION

FROM LAURA -- APPARENTLY

THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE RESIDENTS AT HORIZON ARE ALL IN COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM. I'VE GOTTEN CONFIRMATION OF THAT INDEPENDENTLY. AND THEY ARE INDIVIDUALS THOSE WHO ARE AT HORIZON

SHINE WERE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE ALREADY RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY BEFORE WE WERE ACCEPTED INTO HORIZON SHINE. THEY ARE NOT NEW ADDITIONS. THE CANOPY PROJECT TO MY KNOWLEDGE IS NOT

HAVING ANY TROUBLE OBTAINING THE INSURANCE THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS.

I WILL READ THROUGH THEM. AND THEN WE, WILL SEE IF WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO PULL TFIEM FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THE FIRST ITEM THERE ARE FIVE OF TT{EM APPROVAL A CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF ruLY Kt2O24, THAT WAS A SPECIAL CITY COLINCIL MEETING. APPROVAL OF THE CITY COLNCIL MEETING MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF ruLY 2nd2024. REGULAR COLINCIL MEETING. NUMBER THREE IS

ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION APPROVING AN SPI PROPOSED PROJECT LIST FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 AND 25 PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF SB ONE THE ROAD REPAIR AND ACCOLTNTABILITY ACT OF 2017 , THE CITY MUST

ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING A LIST OF PROJECTS PROPOSED IN ORDER

TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR RECETVING FISCAL YEAR FLJNDING FROM THE ROAD MAINTENANCE AND REHABILITATION ACCOLTNT. CREATED BY SPI. ITEM

NUMBER FOUR APPROVE THE FTINDING AGREEMENT FOR USE OF FISCAL YEAR 20 AND 21 CDBG FUNDS FOR THE YOUTH ANNEXED ADA PROJECT. THE AMOLTNT OF THAT GRANT IS $5O,OOO AND IT IS INCLUDED IN TFIE FISCAL YEAR 24 AND 25 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER FIVE

APPROVAL OF WAIVING OF THE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE NUMBER I 150 TO APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR TFIE HOTEL SEBASTOPOL AND 6828 DEPOT STREET. I'M CHECKTNG IN WITH YOU DID I READ TI{ENECESSARY PORTIONS OF THIS FIVE ITEMS? YOU DID THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LOOKING TO MY COLLEAGUES ANYONE WANT TO PULL IN THE OF THESE ITEMS?
I WASN'T AT THE LAST MEETING BUT I DID REVIEW EVERYTHING. I CAN

STILL VOTE --
I'M SORRY I WAS SICK FOR THE LAST MEETING. I DID REVIEW EVERYTHTNG

SO I CAN STILL APPROVE --
AS LONG AS YOU HAVE READ THE IMMEDIATE MINUTES.

EXCELLENT QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE WANTING TO PULL AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR? NOT SEEING ANY REQUEST TO PULL FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR. I WLL TURN TO -- TO HANDLE PUBLICCOMMENT.

PUBLICCOMMENT FOR ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ONLY. IF YOU LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLICCOMMENT I GO TO CHAMBERS FIRST. SEEING NONE I GO OUT TO ZOOM. LINDA LINMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE.

THANK YOU LINDA GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLICCOMMENT.

CAN YOU FIEAR ME?
GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLICCOMMENT.

I GOT ANOTHER -- UNAUDIBLEI -- SO ANYWAY, ON THE ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

I'M SORRY LINDA I HATE TO INTERRUPT. YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.

WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU.

CAN YOU START MY TIME OVER AGAIN PLEASE?
I STOPPED IT SO GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE.

SO ANYWAY ON THAT THE FIRST ON THAT FIRST ITEM NUMBER ONE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE SUBJECT WAS. I DON'T SEE IT HERE. AND NUMBER FOUR I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT UNAUDIBLE] AMERICA 'S ABILITIES ACT. [INAUDIBLE]. NONE OF YOUR POLICIES IINAUDIBLE] WORSE FOR MYSELF AND EVERYBODY ELSE. INCREASING THE MICROWAVE RADIATION FROM TFIE MAN-MADE [INAUDIBLE] MAGNETIC FIELD. CELL PHONES CELL TOWERS AND ALL THE OTHER UNAUDIBLE] . I WOULD ruST LIKE TO MENTION THAT ABOUT ADA. ON NUMBER FIVE NUMBER FIVE WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING OF? WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A HOTEL. THE TRAFFIC -- WE DON'T HAVE THE WASTEWATER THE SEWERS THE PIPES -- THE TRAFFIC. SOMEBODY SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT BYPASS -- BLOOMFIELD ROAD.

YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT. BUILT A B BUILT APPROVING ALL OF THESE PROJECTS THAT THIS TOWN CANNOT SUPPORT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU LINDA FOR YOUR PUBLICCOMMENT. I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
PUBLICCOMMENT ON A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM. SEEING NONE I WILL GO BACK TO ZOOM. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLICCOMMENT PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY. SEEING NONE PUBLICCOMMENT IS CLOSED ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NUMBER ONE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MEETTNG MINUTES FOR MEETING OF ruLY Kt 2024. THAT WAS A SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING. CLOSED SESSION. OUR NEXT ITEM SO APPEAR AT THE

COUNSEL TABLE I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

SO MOVED
SECOND
PLEASE HANDLE THE ROLLCALL VOTE.

THANK YOU. SO MOVED BY COUNCILMEMBER MAURER AND SECONDED BY HINTON TO APPROVE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. COLINCIL MEMBER MAURER. COLTNCILMEMBER Mc LEWIS. VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN. MAYOR RICH. MOTION PASSES LINANIMOUSLY.

WE NOW ARE AT OUR INFORMATIONAL ITEMS PRESENTATIONS. AT THIS

POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS AWARE THAT AT APPROXIMATELY 6:00 P.M. DEPENDING ON HOW THE DISCUSSION IS GOING UP

HERE, THE COLTNCIL WILL BE TAKING A MEAL BREAK FOR ABOUT A HALF HOUR. AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AFTER THAT HALF HOUR BREAK IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO BE

ABLE TO GIVE YOU A PRECISE TIME BUT IT IS REALLY DEPENDENT ON WHEN TI{E NATURAL BREAK IN TF{E DISCUSSION MIGHT BE. OUR INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION IS OUR NEXT ITEM.

DID WE HAVE.. WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? SOME AGGRESSIVE THINKING WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT BREAK IT ALL. SOME ARE THINKING I DON'T NEED A FULL HALF HOUR.

SO LET'S HAVE A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. I DID SEND AN EMAIL ASKING FOR RESPONSES. ON A MEAL REQUEST. BUT LET'S JUST HAVE HOW

ABOUT A THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN IN TERMS OF TAKING A MEAL BREAK.

THE TIMING IS WHAT MY CONCERN IS.

SO WE HAVE A YES ON THE MEAL BREAK. PLEASE COLTNCILMEMBER

MAURER WIIAT IS YOUR --
15 MINUTES RATHER THAN A HALF HOUR.

YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE 15 MINUTES. ANY INPUT FROM OTHER COI-INCILMEMBERS? COLI-NCILMEMBER Mc LEWIS.

I ruST THINK WE ARE HERE I WAS HERE BEFORE FOR 9 HOURS. I DON'T THINK IT IS AND ASK FOR US TO TAKE 30 MINUTES TO EAT. IF WE FINISH EARLY -- I DON'T KNOW. IT IS THE HUMANE THING TO DO IN MY OPINION. 30 MINUTES OR 15 MINUTES. COLINCILMEMBER HENSON PICK
I AGREE. I HATE FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE TO GO HOME. WE'VE TAKEN THESE

DINNER BREAKS BEFORE FOR LONG MEETINGS AND WE STARTED WITH THE AD HOC MEETING.- ANTICIPATING A BREAK. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I DON'T THINK I CAN EAT IN 15 MINUTES.

ANY OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS QUESTION?
I WILL RETRACT IT.

IT SOLINDS LIKE WE WILL GO FOR A 30 MINUTE MEAL BREAK. APOLOGIZE IF IT IS AN INCONVENIENCE TO TFIE PUBLIC. BUT THE FACT IS WE'VE NOTICED

WE GET MUCH LESS PRODUCTIVE IF WE HAVE NOT EATEN FOOD AND WE HAVE NOT HAD A BREAK. YOU WANT THE BEST CITY COUNCIL MEMBER PARTICIPATION I{ERE AND HOPEFULLY THAT WHAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU.

WE ARE NOW ON THE INFORMATIONAL ITEMS AND PRESENTATIONS. TFM FIRST ITEM IS ITEM 6 ON THE AGENDA. THAT IS INFORMATION PRESENTATION FROM CALIFORNIA INTERGOVERNMENTAL RISK AUTHORITY.

TFIAT IS -- THE MOVING PARTY IS VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND
COLINCILMEMBER HINTON. THERE IS A SHORT PRESENTATION. I THINK I

WILL TURN TO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO BROUGHT THIS FORWARD IN ORDER TO START THIS PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WITH A BRIEF AMOLINT oF TrME I'VE BEEN ON COI-INSEL I DID NOT KNOW WE HAD A IINAUDIBLE]. I HURT RUMBLINGS OF CERA DID NOT KNOW THE SPECIFICS.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON IS THE PRIMARY. WE HAVE ATTENDED MEETINGS.

A BOARD MEETING IN SACRAMENTO NOT TOO LONG AGO. I FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GET A BzuEF OVERVIEW FROM OUR REPRESENTATIVES FROM -- TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH MY COLLEAGUES. THIS IS ALL ABOUT INSURANCE AND CLAIMS FROM DIFFERENT PARKS. EITHER EMPLOYMENT LIABILITY OR OTHER FORMS OF LIABILITY. A LOT OF THE

DISCUSSION TONIGHT WILL BE ITEMS LIKE INCREASED COMPUTERS FOR SECURITY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS CONTEXT FOR WHY IT IS WE ARE ASKING. WE ARE TRYING TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. COMPLIANCE HELPS WITH OUR PREMIUMS. IF WE ARE IN GOOD FAITH WITH THEM HOPEFULLY OUR PREMIUMS WILL CONTINUE TO REMAIN TFIE SAME.

COTINCILMEMBER HINTON PICS MATT FOR THE PUBLIC --

OUR PREVIOUS REPRESENTATIVE PRIMARY REPRESENTATIVE WAS OUR FORMER CITY MANAGER CIry ATTORNEY LARRY MCLAUGHLIN' WE

ORIGINALLY BECAME PART OF TFIE INSURANCE POOL FOR WHAT IS CALLED [INAUDIBLE]. LARRY SERVED MANY TIMES AS IS PRESIDENT. SO THAT

WORKED REALLY WELL FOR US AND COLTNCILMEMBERS WERE NOT AS INVOLVED. WE DID MERGE WITH CIRA WHICH IS A BIGGER GROUP. ALL OF IINAUDIBLE] FOLDED IN 2 TO 3 YEARS AGO. MARY GURLEY ASSISTANT CITY MANACE,R IIAS BEEN CONSISTENT. SHE WNS THE ALTERNATE WITH LARRY

AND CONTINUES TO BE REALLY INVOLVED WITH ALL OF US ON THIS INSURANCE. IT IS WE ARE LUCKY TO BE A PART OF THIS INSURANCE POOL. I WILL SAY THEY ARE PICKY ABOUT THE CITIES THAT THEY ACCEPT. AND THEY DON'T ACCEPT BAD ACTORS. SO, I FEEL LIKE FOR A VERY SMALL CITY LIKE OURS IT REALLY IS A HUGE BENEFIT FOR US. AND HELPS US PROTECT OUR LIABILITY AND HAVING THIS ORGANIZATION ASSIST US. ULTIMATELY REDUCING CLAIMS AND SAVING MONEY. HAPPY TO IIAVE THEM HERE.

THANKS.
ruST WANTED TO JUMP IN TO INTRODUCE AMY -- GENERAL MANAGER I WILL

TELL YOU HOW FORTLTNATE THE CITY HAS TO HAVE BOTH OF THESE THE ENTIRE STAFF WE WERE REALLY -- UNAUDIBLE] AND SO I FEEL IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE A PART OF THIS GROUP. AMY DO YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY?
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT INTRODUCTION. MY NAME IS AMY CONLEY TFIE GENERAL MANAGER OF CIRA. WE HAVE -- ON THE LINE AS WELL. HE IS THE DEPUTY GENERAL MANAGER. I WLL START THE PRESENTATION BY PRESENTING THE GENERAL BACKGROUND WHAT CIRA IS ABOUT. SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO [INAUDIBLE] AND HE WILL SHARE TIIE MEMBER SERVICES WE PROVIDE.

I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. AS A REMINDER I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN INFORMED WE HAVE A HUGE AGENDA TONIGHT. WE ARE HOPING THE PRESENTATION CAN BE APPROXIMATELY 10 MINUTES.

IT WILL I PROMISE. I JUST STARTED MY TIMER. I WILL KEEP IT AT 10 MINUTES.

SO BACK IN MARCH OF 1986 INSURERS THROUGHOUT THE U.S. WERE CANCELING POLICIES. SO MUCH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA RIGHT NOW. THAT WAS VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR CITIES AND

COLINTIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS BECAUSE THEY NEED COVERAGE TO PROVIDE BASIC SERVICES TO THEIR COMMLTNITIES. SO THESE PUBLIC AGENCIES CAME UP WITH A FAIRLY INNOVATIVE IDEA. AND RATHER

PURCHASING INSURANCE TO PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR WORKERS

COMPENSATION OR LIABILITY COVERAGE, WHAT THEY DID IS THEY GOT TOGETHER AND THEY POOL THEIR MONEY TO PAY FOR CLAIMS. SO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS GOT TOGETHER. THEY PUT ALL OF THEIR MONEY IN A POT AND THEY USED THAT MONEY TO PAY FOR CLAIMS. THAT IS WHAT CIRA IS. AN ORGANIZATION THAT WAS CREATED. WE HAVE NOW 53 DIFFERENT MEMBERS. SO ALL OF SEBASTOPOL IS ONE OF THEM. SO IS THE CITY OF EUREKA . ROLANDO PARK. DOWN IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AS WELL. THOSE MEMBERS HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER TO POOL THEIR FLINDS TO PAY FOR CLAIMS. SO WHAT HAPPENS IN SEVASTOPOL MATTERS TO WHAT

HAPPENS IN HEALDSBURG WHAT HAPPENS IN MALDSBURG MATTERS TO WHAT HAPPENS IN RANCHO CUCAMONGA. BECAUSE ALL OF THAT MONEY IS POOLED TO PAY FOR CLAIMS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 53 DIFFERENT MEMBERS.

OUR TOTAL PAYROLL IS ABOUT $420 MILLION. OUR LARGEST MEMBER IF YOU COUNT BY PAYROLL IS THE CITY OF WATSONVILLE. IN OUR SMALLEST IS THE CITY OF AMADOR CITY. WATSONVILLE HAS A PAYROLL OF APPROXIMATELY 42 MILLION. AMADOR CITY HAS A PAYROLL APPROXIMATELY 36 MILLION. ON AVERAGE ARE MEMBERS PAYROLL IS ABOUT 8.4 MILLION. IF YOU COUNT BY

POPULATION THE LARGEST MEMBER IS THE CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA AND THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 2OO,OOO RESIDENTS. AND THE SMALLEST OF TFIE CITY OF AMADOR CITY. THEY HAVE RIGHT AROLTND 2OO RESIDENTS.

THEY ALSO HAPPEN TO BE THE SMALLEST CITY IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. APPROXIMATELY 70% OF OUR MEMBERS HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY.

THAT IS GOING TO BE POLICE OR FIRE OR POLICE AND FIRE. SO I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFER. AND SEBASTOPOL PARTICIPATES IN ALL OF THE PROGRAMS THAT I'M ABOUT TO PRESENT ON.

TFIE FIRST ONE IS THE LIABILITY PROGRAM. WE PROVIDE LIABILITY COVERAGE FOR THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL. THIS BLUE LAYER THAT YOU SEE HERE THAT IS ALL OF THE MEMBERS PULL TOGETHER. SO THE GREEN AT THE BOTTOM IS THE MEMBER DEDUCTIBLE. AND THEN WE POOL UP TO $I MILLION. WE THEN PARTNER WITH GROUPS BEYOND THAT TO PROVIDE COVERAGE BEYOND THAT AMOUNT. SO REAL QUICKLY LET ME TELL YOU WHAT TFIE LIABILITY PROGRAM COVERS. WE COVER AUTOMOBILE LIABILITY. PUBLIC ERRORS AND OMISSIONS LIABILITY. PERSONAL AND BODILY INJURY. AS WELL AS PROPERTY DAMAGE TO THIRD PARTIES. WE COVER EMPLOYEES. ELECTED OR APPOINTED OFFICIALS. OFFICIAL VOLUNTEERS. BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS GOVERNED BY CITY COI.INCIL. AND LASTLY ANY ADDITIONAL COVERED PARTIES REQUIRED BY CONTRACT. NOW WHAT WE DON'T COVER IS JUST AS IMPORTANT.

JUST A MOMENT. I HAVE SOMEONE IN THE BACK OF TFIE ROOM. COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK OUTSIDE. JOHN COULD YOU PLEASE GO OUTSIDE TO SPEAK WITH THIS WOMAN SO WE CAN CONTINUE OUR PRESENTATION? EXCUSE ME FOLKS. IN THE BACK. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OKAY THANK YOU AMY.

SO WHAT WE COVER IT IS JUST AS IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DON'T COVER. THIS IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE LIST BUT WE DON'T COVER ALL LIABILITIES THE CITY MAY INCUR. WE DON'T COVER AIRCRAFT OR AIRPORT OPERATIONS OR BREACH OF CONTRACT. WE DO NOT COVER DAMS OR DISABILITY ACCOMMODATION EXPENSES. WE DON'T COVER FXED ROUTE TRANSIT OPERATIONS. THESE ARE ALL ITEMS THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL DOES NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY WAY. SO IT IS NO CONCERN THERE. WE DON'T

COVER EMPLOYEE BENEFITS BECAUSE THERE IS A SEPARATE PLAN FOR THAT. WE DON'T COVER EMPLOYEE INruRIES BECAUSE THAT IS WORKER'S COMPENSATION. WE DON'T COVER MEDICAL OR TMALTH CARE OPERATIONS OR USE OF FIREARMS BY NON-POLICE OFFICERS. NOW WE PARTNER WITH ANOTHER GROUP FOR OUR EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES LIABILITY. IT IS A GROUP CALLED ARMAGH. IRMA PROVIDE SERVICES AS WELL. THEY PROVIDE ALL SORTS OF RISK MANAGEMENT TRAINING. THEY HAVE A FREE ATTORNEY ADVISE HIGHLINE. THEY HAVE AN EMPLOYEE HOTLINE. AS WELL AS A

CONSORTIUM OF RESOURCES FOR THE HR DEPARTMENTS FOR OUR
MEMBERS. WE WILL SWITCH GEARS AND TALK ABOUT WORKER'S
COMPENSATION. WORKER'S COMPENSATION IS VERY SIMILAR. WE POOL ALL OF OUR MONEY TO PAY FOR THE CLAIMS. WE PARTNER WITH A GROUP CALLED LW PETE THEY HELP ADMINISTER THE CLAIMS FOR US. AND AGAIN THE CITIES HAVE DIFFERENTDEDUCTIBLES BETWEEN sOOOAND $25O,OOO. AND

TFIEN WE PARTNER WITH GROUPS ABOVE US TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES FOR OUR MEMBER CITIES ARE FULLY COVERED. NOW THOSE OF TI{E SELF INSURED OR THE GROUP PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE TOGETHER. WE ALSO HAVE GROUP PURCHASED COVERAGE AS WELL. SO THIS

DOES NOT HAVE ANY SEBASTOPOL MONEY PULL TOGETHER WITH OTHER MEMBERS. BUT THIS IS THE BUYING POWER BEHIND LARGE NUMBERS

WHERE WE GET ALL OF OUR MEMBERS TO COME TOGETHER TO BIJY PROPERTY COVERAGE. SO SEBASTOPOL HAS PROPERTY COVERAGE
THROUGH THIS PROGRAM HERE. WE ALSO OFFER SPECIAL EVENTS PROGRAMS. THOSE ARE VERY AFFORDABLE COVERAGE FOR INDIVIDUALS USING PUBLIC FACILITIES. WE HAVE FIDELITY BOND WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY CRIME. WE OFFER CYBER COVERAGE. AND WE ALSO OFFER EMPLOYEE BENEFITS TO THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL. THAT IS GOING

TO BE YOUR MEDICAL DENTAL VISION LONG-TERM DISABILITY AND LIFE INSURANCE. SO WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO UNAUDIBLE] AND HE

WILL QUICKLY GO OVER OUR MEMBER SERVICES'
THANK YOU AMY. I TRIED TO SHOW MY CAMERA. IT IS NOT WORKING. FOR TFIE MEMBER SERVICES WE DO HAVE A LIST HERE. REALLY WHAT WE TYPICALLY HIGHLIGHT IS MORE THE ON.SITE MEMBER SERVICES. WE VIEW OURSELVES AS AN EXTENSION OF STAFF. AS PART OF THAT WHAT WE DO IS WE DO A RISK ASSESSMENT. AT LEAST EVERY COUPLE YEARS. FROM THAT

WE HAVE MORE OF A SCORECARD OF BEST PRACTICES WE LOOK TO HAVE TTIE CITIES BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN. PART OF THOSE BEST PRACTICES WE

HAVE TEMPLATES FOR EXAMPLE THE WORKPLACE VIOLENCE PREVENTION LAW THE COMES INTO PLACE. ANY OF THOSE PROGRAMS WHERE THEY ARE MANDATED BY THE STATE OR WHETHER THE FEDERAL LEVEL. WE WILL PROVTDE TI{E TEMPLATES AND THE PROGRAMS FOR THAT AS WELL AS THE TRAINING RESOURCES. A COUPLE OF MORE POPULAR THINGS WE PROVIDE AGAIN AS A BEST PRACTICE WHEN WOULD BE IINAUDIBLE] IS A BASICALLY A POLICY UPDATE SERVICE FOR POLICE AND FIRE. IT INCLUDES DAILY TRAINING AND SO ON. THE GOAL OF MAKING SURE OUR OFFICERS ARE COMPLETELY TRAINED ON THE MOST RECENT POLICIES. AND THAT IN THE

EVENT THERE IS SOME TYPE OF CLAIM WE ARE ABLE TO USE THAT AS A DEFENSE AS WELL. THE OTHER MORE USED ITEMS IS ALSO WHAT WE CALL VECTOR OR TARGET SYSTEMS. WHICH IS BASICALLY OUR ONGOING TRAINING PORTAL. WHICH ALLOWS FOR EMPLOYEE TRAINING. INCLUDES ALSO A LOT OF THE MANDATED REQUIRED TRAINING. WHETHER IT BE ETHICS TRAINING THAT IS REQUIRED BY ELECTED OFFICIALS. AS WELL AS THE IINAUDIBLE] SEXUAL HARASSMENT PREVENTION TRAINING AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL. AMY MENTIONS SOME OF TIIE LZW CONSORTIUM MEMBERSHIP IN THOSE PROGRAMS. ONE OF THE PROGRAMS WE OFFER IS ACTUALLY A GRANT PROGRAM. IT IS THROUGH THE [INAUDIBLE] THE CITY HAS ACCESS TO GRANT FOR RISK CONTROL SERVICES UP TO $3500. THAT

CAN BE USED FOR PURPOSES WHETHER IT BE TRAINING BUYING EQUIPMENT THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. WITH THE GOAL OF REDUCING WHETHER IT BE EMPLOYEE INruRIES OR POTENTIAL CLAIMS THAT COULD IMPACT THE CITY AS WELL. AND THEN ALSO ARMOR PROVIDES AN ANNUAL GRANT AS WELL. $2500. THAT CAN BE USED FOR TRAINING AT THE CITY AS WELL. IT IS MORE SPECIFIC TO HR FUNCTIONS. WITH THAT -. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COL]NCIL MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL TABLE.

FIRST OF ALL FROM COUNCILMEMBER HINTON OR VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN.

ANYTHING TO ADD BEFORE WE TAKE QUESTIONS? LOOKING FROM
QUESTIONS FROM COLTNCILMEMBERS OR COMMENTS. ANYONE? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE IS JUST PROCEDURAL. I DON'T SEE THE SLIDES THAT IN OUR PACKET. I'M HOPING THAT TFIE SLIDE SET WE HAVE SEEN

TONIGHT COULD BE IF IT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN SENT TO MARY GIRLY AND SHARED WITH US ONLINE.

MARY HAS A COPY.

THANK YOU. IF THAT CAN BE SHARED WITH THE COI]NCIL AND POSTED ONLINE THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND IF YOU COULD RESEND --
AMY CAN YOU RESEND IT? I DON'T HAVE A COPY.

ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY HELPFUL SLIDE SET. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET MORE DISTRIBUTION FOR OUR PUBLIC AND FOR US. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE EVENTS INSURANCE. IS THE EVENTS INSURANCE THAT

YOU SAID AFFORDABLE IS THAT MADE AVAILABLE TO INDIVIDUALS WHO SCHEDULE EVENTS AT OUR PARKS AND ELSEWFIERE IN TOWN?
SO AMY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THERE IS SPECIAL EVENT INSURANCE THAT INDIVIDUALS CAN GO THROUGH. I FORGOT THE NAME OF IT. AMY DO YOU HAVE TFM NAME?
IINAUDTBLEI -- SORRY. TI{EY CAN GO THROUGH WHEN THEY APPLY FOR

SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WE HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT PRESENTED TO THEM.

THAT WAS MY ONLY HOPE THAT THAT OPPORTLINITY COULD BE OFFERED TO OUR PUBLIC. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE TWO GRANT PROGRAMS.

THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED. THE 35,OOO GRANT PROGRAM AND THEN TI{ERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THROUGH IRMA FOR 25,OOO. HAS THE CITY TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THOSE GRANT PROGRAMS?
WE HAVE. THE MOST RECENT THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN UTILIZING THE GRANT. THIS YEAR WE ARE LOOKING TO UTILIZE IT FOR I BELIEVE IT IS -- IT IS A THREE.PART TRAINING. WE ARE LOOKING TO UTTLIZE IT FOR THAT.

THERE WERE TWO GRANT PROGRAMS THAT WERE MENTIONED. ARE WE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF BOTH?
WE ARE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE AMOLTNT IS 35OO AND 2500.

I KIND OF LIKE 35,OOO.

WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT MUCH.

EVERYONE BETTER KEEP AN EYE ON ME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CORRECTION. THAT IS IMPORTANT. I THTNK WE ARE DONE WITH COTiNCILMEMBER PARTICIPATION ON THIS TOPIC.

MARY GIRLY -- COTINCILMEMBER HINTON DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO AT ?
NO. t

HOPING FOR AFFIRMATION MARY GIRLY IF YOU CAN HANDLE
PUBLICCOMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU MAYOR. AMY IS A POSSIBLE TO LTN-SHARE YOUR SCREEN? THANK YOU. THIS IS FOR PUBLICCOMMENT ON THE CIRA PRESENTATION. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. I GO TO CHAMBERS FIRST. I GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC. LTNDA UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE.

THANK YOU GO AHEAD WITH THEIR PUBLICCOMMENT.

PURCE I WOULD LIKE TO PREFACE THIS IINAUDIBLE] THE FACT I AM [INAUDIBLE] CELL PHONE FREE .- BECAUSE I AM ELECTRIC SENSITIVE. I RELY ON LANDLINE PHONE. FOR PARTICIPATION IN THIS MEETING. SUBSEQUENTLY I DON'T HAVE THE VISUAL INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE LIKE ON TT{E COMPUTER. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HOW MUCH DOES THIS COST? HOW MUCH IS YOUR SERVICES COST THE CITY? ALSO I'M SURE YOU COVERED IT. YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD NUMBER ONE POINT TO MILLION DOLLAR UNAUDIBLEI CYBER [INAUDIBLE]. WHICH WE DID NOT GO AFTER.

AND GET BACK OR FIND OUT WHO DID IT. IT WAS LARGELY COVERED THROUGH INSURANCE. THAT WOULD BE I GUESS IINAUDIBLE] I WOULD LIKE

TO KNOW IF YOU COVERED THE LEGAL FEES FOR WHEN THE CITY IS BEING SUED BY IINAUDIBLE] ACLU OR HOUSING DEVELOPERS WERE LIKE THAT? TF{ANK YOU.

THANK YOU LINDA FOR YOUR PUBLICCOMMENT. I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. SEEING NO PUBLICCOMMENT I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY. SEEING NONE PUBLICCOMMENT IS CLOSED ON THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MARY GIRLY. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO RESPOND IN ANY WAY TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE HURT? WE HAVE -- THE SPECIFIC ITEMS. JUST GIVING STAFF TTM OPPORTLTNITY.

THE ACLU IS NOT THROUGH CIRA. THAT IS ALL I WILL SAY ON THE ACLU. AS

FAR AS TTM CYBER FRAUD CIRA WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING US GET THAT MONEY BACK. THAT HAS ALL BEEN TAKEN CARE OFF. ALL THE FLINDS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.

EXCELLENT. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM COTJNCILMEMBERS BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT THIS ITEM?
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTL]NITY WE IIAVE TO BE PART OF THIS. IT IS HUGE.

I'VE EXPERIENCED BEING INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR SO MANY YEARS. I'M VERY AWARE. ruST APPRECIATIVE. THANK YOU FOR SERVING ON UNAUDIBLE].

I THINK WE ALL [INAUDIBLE] AWESOME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK AT THIS POINT WE WILL CLOSE OUT THIS ITEM. ANY ACTION WE NEED TO TAKE?
THANK YOU TO AMY FOR BEING HERE AND GIVING US YOUR PRESENTATION.

T}IANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU STUCK TO THE TIMING AND IT WAS ALL CONTENT. BOTH OF WHICH WE REALLY APPRECIATE. SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING VERY VALUABLE TIME HERE.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

THAT WAS REALLY INFORMATIVE. GOING BACK TO OUR AGENDA HERE. WE

ARE NOW GOING TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO THE PRIMARY TOPIC FOR TONIGHT. THERE ARE A LOT OF TOPICS. THE FIRST ONE UNDER OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. IS THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 AND 25. I WLL ALERT THE PUBLIC AT THIS

POINT IF THERE IS ANYONE HERE WHO SPECIFICALLY PRESENT EITHER BY A ZOO]l/l OR IN PERSON TO ADDRESS OR PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THE ITEMS

AFTER THIS BUDGET DISCUSSION, I CAN'T IMAGINE WE WILL BE GETTING TO THAT ITEM ANY EARLIER THAN ABOUT 7:OO P.M. JUST AS AN ALERT I EXPECT IT WILL TAKE US A COUPLE HOURS TO GET THROUGH THIS ITEM. CITY MANAGER FIRST UP ON THE BUDGET PRESENTATION.

READY WHEN YOU ARE.

AND BEFORE WE DO THAT I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZEWE DO HAVE THE BUDGET COMMITTEE HERE. THAT INCLUDED OUR CITY MANAGER.

ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ARE ADMINISTERED OF SURFACES DIRECTOR

AND ALSO TO COLTNCILMEMBERS VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND

COLTNCILMEMBER -- I'M SURE THEY WILL BE CHIMING IN WITH THEIR COMMENTS AS WELL AS ALL THE REST OF US. BECAUSE THIS IS OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY AS A FULL COLTNSEL TO LOOK AT THIS PROPOSED BUDGET.

PLEASE CITY MANAGER.

I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT TO YOU THE FY 24 AND 25 BUDGET. I WANT TO START BY EMPHASIZING WE WILL FOCUS ON THE GENERAL FLIND. IT IS THE LARGEST OF THE CITY FLTNDS. THE MOST FLEXIBLE. THE FLTNDS MOST CITY SERVICES. YOU HAVE APPROVED THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM ALREADY. THAT IS BASICALLY DONE. ENTERPRISE FUNDS WERE LARGELY

ADDRESSED IN THE WATER AND WASTEWATER RATE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS. TONIGHT'S FOCUSING ON THE

GENERAL FTIND OF COURSE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR OTHER FUNDS WE CAN ENTERTAIN THOSE. I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS MY APPRECIATION TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO SPENT NUMEROUS HOURS I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS IS NOT MOVING FORWARD.

WHILE WE HAVE A MINUTE I'M SORRY. THE SLIGHT SET WE ARE VIEWING

TONIGHT I CAN'T RECALL IF THAT WAS SHARED IN ADVANCE OR POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE. IF NOT CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT IT IS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO, AGAIN DEPARTMENT HEADS PUT EXTENSIVE TIME INTO THIS AND PREPARING FOR YOUR THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. THE AM INSURED OF

SERVICES TEAM -- AND THEN WE HAD ASSISTANCE FROM -- PARTICULARLY ON THE LONG-TERM MODEL AND PROJECTIONS. THANKS TO ALL FOR TI{AT.

VERY HIGH LEVEL ON REVENUES 14 ALMOST 4 MILLION,7.6% INCREASE. I

WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN CALLING THE DOWN THE MIDDLE APPROACH. IT IS NEITHER CONSERVATIVE NOR AGGRESSIVE. IT IS

VERY COMMON FOR JURISDICTIONS TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE ABOUT REVENUE. I UNDERSTAND THAT HAS BEEN PERHAPS THE PRACTICE HERE AT TIMES. BASICALLY IT CREATES A BIT OF A SAFETY NET. IF WE ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE ABOUT REVENUE IT GIVES US MORE WIGGLE ROOM. WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT. I WILL CONSIDER THE REVENUES LOOKING OUT A YEAR AHEAD ANYTHING IS GOING TO HAVE LINCERTAINry. IN THIS CASE WE DO HAVE CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY ABOUT TFIE REVENUES AS WELL.

AND AGAIN IN PRIOR YEARS WE ARE RELYING HEAVILY ON ONE TIME FLTNDING SURFACE SOURCES. WE WILL GET INTO THAT SHORTLY.

KEY CHANGES WE HAVE I1% PLUS INCREASE IN PROPERry TAXES PROJECTED. SALES TAXES WE ARE PROJECTING ALMOST 5% DECREASE. FROM LAST YEAR. COMPARED TO THE ADOPTED BUDGETS. THIS IS THE BUILDING PERMIT FEES. WE ARE PROJECTING A MILLION-DOLLAR INCREASE. PART OF THAT IS A FEE INCREASE. NORMAL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY AND THE BULK OF THAT IS FROM ANTICIPATED NEW BUILDING IN TFIE CITY. PRIMARILY THE CANOPY PROJECT. TALK ABOUT USING ONE-TIME FUNDS WHILE THESE

MIGHT LAST A YEAR OR TWO THEY ARE NOT LONG-TERM SUSTAINABLE SOURCE OF REVENUE. AND THEN AS WE NOTED BACK I BELIEVE IT WAS FEBRUARY WHEN YOU SAW THE COST ALLOCATION PLAN. WE WOULD REDUCE THE TRANSFER OF FL]NDS FROM THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS TO THE GENERAL FL]ND BY 7I4,OOO. THAT IS REFLECTED IN TI{E BUDGET AS WELL.

EXPENSES ARE A TAD OVER 15 MILLION. EIGHT NUMBER 1.3% DECREASE FROM LAST YEAR. THE REDUCTIONS ARE SPREAD ACROSS MOST
DEPARTMENTS. THERE'S ALSO A CONSIDERABLE WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT OF SHIFTING OF SPENDING FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORGANIZATION. A COUPLE EXAMPLES HERE WE HAVE $3OO,OOO ALLOCATED TO PRESERVING OUR ASSETS. FROM OUR ROADS AND TECHNOLOGY AND FLEET BUILDINGS EXAMPLES. AND I 16,000 TO MODERNIZE SOME OF OUR TECHNOLOGY. WHICH IS QUITE VULNERABLE. IN CASES AND OUTDATED. THOSE ARE EXAMPLES OF

INVESTMENTS WE NEED TO MAKE IN THE ORGANIZATION TO KEEP US IN GOOD SHAPE. AND IN TFIE BUDGET DOES MAINTAIN CITY STAFF. POSITIONS TFIERE ARENO LAYOFFS IN THIS BUDGET.

VERY HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY REVENUE ABOUT 14.4. EXPENSES ABOUT 15.

DEFICIT OF ABOUT $670,000 WHICH IS 40% OF THE BUDGET DEFICIT FROM LAST YEAR. WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 54,OOO OR SO WE WILL TALK ABOUT AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE ADDING.

ANY FURTHER ADDITIONS OF COURSE THE SAME WITH 54,OOO WILL INCREASE TI{E DEFICIT LINLESS WE MAKE REDUCTIONS ELSEWHERE. WE ARE PROJECTING LTNASSIGNED FLIND BALANCE OF ABOUT 2.9 MILLION WERE 19% OF TOTAL CIry EXPENSES.

I'M SORRY CITY MANAGER. I NOTE THAT FLIGHT THAT YOU MENTIONED

FURTHER ADDITIONS THAT MIGHT INCREASE THE DEFICIT THAT YOU WILL BE INFORMING US OF LATER.

HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE FAIRLY SOON.

WE CAN GO TO THE END IF YOU WANT.

PERFECT.

SO THE LONG-TERM MODELS THIS IS WHERE WE RELIED HEAVILY -- SEE INTO THE FUTURE. WE ARE ON AN LINSUSTAINABLE PATH. PARTICULARLY RELYING HEAVILY ON ONE-TIME REVENUES. THE UNASSIGNED GENERAL FUND BALANCE IS AT RISK OF BEING DEPLETED IN LESS TI{AN THREE YEARS WITHOUT CHANGES. WE DO NEED A LARGE ONGOING SOURCE OF REVENUE IF WE ARE GOTNG TO BECOME FINANCIALLY STABLE.

OUR STRATEGY IS MULTI-PROMPT INCLUDES A SALES TAX INCREASE OF A QUARTER OR HALF PERCENT. FOUNDATIONAL REVENI"-]E SOURCE. HOTELS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THOSE. FIRE CONSOLIDATION. HELPS ENSURE OUR FIRE SERVICES ARE WELL-FLINDED.

AND MORE EFFICIENT WHEN WE CONSOLIDATE WITH GOLD RICH. LOOKING AT THE ENTERPRISE FINANCING DISTRICT. TO SHORE UP OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR TEXT CAPACITY. REDUCING CAUSE. AND INCREASING EFFICIENCY. IS ALSO PART OF THE BROAD STRATEGY. I THINK TIIERE IS A PATH FORWARD TO FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY FOR THE CITY.

WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH THE COMMLINITY AND GET THERE. I THINK

WE HAVE MADE A START ON THAT PATH IN THIS BUDGET CONTINUES DOWN THAT PATH.

THIS SLIDE I RECOGNIZE CAN BE A LITTLE HARD TO SEE. THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE COPIES. PAPER COPIES. WE HAVE SOME FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

THIS IS A SUMMARY ESSENTIALLY OF THE COMMLINITY SURVEY WHICH HAD OVER IOOO RESPONSES. THE BLUE ESSENTIALLY IS MORE BLUE REPRESENTS A HIGMR PRIORITY OUR RESIDENTS. I WILL LET YOU LOOK AT THAT AND THEN I WLL TELL YOU THE BOTTOM -- THE NEXT SLIDE. WHEN IT COMES OUT.

SO THE TOP THREE ISSUES PUBLIC SAFETY, MANAGING THE CIry FINANCES AND RESPONDING TO FLOODS AND WILDFIRES. OTHER NATURAL DISASTERS.

EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. THEN WE HAD AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION ABOUT OT}IER TOPICS. SOMEBODY COULD LIST. REFLECTS THE FREQUENCY OF THOSE TOPICS BEING MENTIONED. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT. MAKE DECISIONS ON THE BUDGET'

SO WE ARE GOING TO SHIFT IN A MOMENT TO CHANGES GOING BY DEPARTMENT. IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE COLINCIL WE CAN STOP AND TAKE QTIESTIONS WHENEVER IS YOUR PLEASURE. WE WILL REVIEW THE CHANGES MENTIONED IN THE BUDGET BOOK. SOME OF THE CHANGES ARE SHIFTING FI.]NDS FROM ONE DEPARTMENT TO ANOTHER. THERE IS NOT REALLY AN INCREASE OR REDUCTION. IT IS TO PROMOTE ACCOLTNTABILITY.

PARTICULAR CONTRACT FOR EXAMPLE WOULD RESIDE WITH THE
DEPARTMENT. THE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING THE CONTRACT IS BUDGET

RESPONSIBILITY FOR AS WELL IT HELPS MAJOR CITY MANAGER PROMOTE ACCOLTNTABILITY AND OWNERSHIP. THE BUDGET AND CONTRACTS. AND OTHER EXPENSES. OTHER CASES IT IS ruST A MATTER OF ALIGNING EXPENSES CLOSER TO A DEPARTMENT FUNCTION. AGAIN IT IS A BETTER MANAGEMENT PRACTICE.

CITY MANAGER A QUICK MOMENT CHECK IN WITH THE COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS OR SHALL WE PROCEED? NOT SEEING ANY QUESTIONS.

THE BUDGET COMMITTEE CONSIDERED QUITE A FEW ISSUES. BY A LARGE THERE WAS CONSENSUS BUT THERE WERE DISAGREEMENTS. SORRY IF I'M PUSHING THE BUTTON TO QUICKLY. THOSE ARE I THINK I HAVE THEM ALL -- WE WILL TALK ABOUT THOSE WHEN WE GET TO THEM. I WILL INVITE THE COMMITTEE TO OFFER COMMENTS IF THEY WOULD LIKE. THEN WE HAVE MENTIONED ADDITIONAL ITEMS. SOME SUGGESTED ADDITIONS TO THE

BUDGET AND IF YOU TOPICS TO COVER AS WE GET TOWARDS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

WITH THAT LOOKING AT THE CITY COI.INCIL BUDGET. YOU SEE THE ITEMS BEFORE YOU. $2500 REDUCTION IN THE CONTRACT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THESE OR HAVE THE COUNCIL READ?
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE COLTNCIL. IN TERMS OF HANDLING THIS TOPIC THE BUDGET TOPIC. MY IDEA IIAD BEEN EVENTUALLY TO GO THROUGH

EACH OF THESE ITEMS AND BASICALLY TRY TO IDENTIFY WHICH ONES COLINCILMEMBERS MIGHT BE IN NEED OF FURTHER DISCUSSION ON. MY

QUESTION IS WMTHER WE WANT TO DO THIS DURING THE PRESENTATION

OR WE WOULD LIKE TO WAIT AND HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER TO THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION AND THEN COME BACK THROUGH. ANY COMMENTS?
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OUR GENERAL MANAGER GO THROUGH ALL OF IT.

AT LEAST FOR ME I WANT A BIG PICTURE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.

OKAY. ANY IDEA HOW MANY SLIDES DO YOU HAVE?
PROBABLY 15.

ANY OTHER COLTNCILMEMBER -.

I'M IN FAVOR OF GOING THROUGH IT. BUT THESE SPECIFIC PAGES NEED A LOT OF DISCUSSION. AND I GUESS THAT IS WHERE OUR DISCUSSION OR CLARIFICATIONS WOULD COME AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

COTINCILMEMBER --
ruST BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE BUDGET DOES NOT MEAN BY ANY MEANS WE'VE ALL AGREED TO THEM OR VOTED ON THEM. THIS IS A FIRST TIME

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO IF WE DID NOT SERVE IN THE BUDGET COMMITTEE TO MAKE COMMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS TO BE MADE.

COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS
I AGREE.

SO IN TERMS OF PROCESS. WE WANT I'M SORRY COLINCILMEMBER MAURER.

UNDERSTOOD TIIE COUNCIL THAT DOES NOT THAT IS NOT A COMPLETE LIST. SO IT IS A PARTIAL LIST. THERE ARE ITEMS VERY IMPORTANT ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE LIST. SO I WAS MAKING I ASSUMED WE WILL BE GOING DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT.

SO, AND EFFICIENT WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS. TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH ITEM. I'M NOT SURE. THEN WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO DISCUSS EACH ITEM. COUNCILMEMBER --
I AGREE. AFTER HAVING READ ALL OF THIS THIS IS NOT ALL-INCLUSIVE. IT IS

A LITTLE I DON'T WANT TO PIECEMEAL EVERYTHING AND GO BACK AND FORTH.

SO IN TERMS OF A PROCESS, COI.]NCILMEMBER HINTON DID YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION?

WE CAN GO THROUGH IT SOME OF THE STANDARD ITEMS I DON'T WANT TO WASTE A LOT OF TIME. IF WE WANT TO USE THE PAGES FROM THE ACTUAL BUDGET THAT IS FINE. BUT AGAIN NOT DISCUSS THINGS THAT ARE NORMAL NORMAL ITEMS I GUESS.

MAKING THE POINT WHICH COLTNCILMEMBER HINTON MADE A MINUTE AGO.

THIS IS A PROPOSED BUDGET. YOU SEE CIry COUNCIL THAT IS POPULATED BY TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DONE A HUGE DEEP DIVE INTO THE TOPIC.

THREE WHO HAVE I GUARANTEE READ ALL OF THIS. BUT ARE NOW JUST REALLY ADDRESSING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME. I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN CITY MANAGER RESPECT THIS REQUEST FOR AN OVERVIEW. BUT NOT WALK THROUGH EVERY INDIVIDUAL ITEM. INSTEAD ruST GIVE US AN OVERVIEW.

CITY COLINCIL, WE HAVE SOME INCREASES AND DECREASES. MOVE ON TO TTM NEXT DEPARTMENT. GIVE US AN OVERVIEW AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND GO DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT. THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GO FOR INSTANCE AT THAT POINT 25OO REDUCTION IN CONTRACT. THUMBS

UP OR THUMBS DOWN MOVE IT THAT WAY AND ADD ON ANY ITEMS THAT COLI-NCILMEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO ADD. TO THOSE ITEMS. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN MANAGE?
CERTAINLY. ONE WAY I WOULD DO THAT IS IF IT HAS FIVE DIGITS OR MORE - - MORE STcNTT.IcaNT To SOMETHING THAT HAS FOUR DIGITS OR LESS.

COLINCILMEMBER THE CONCEPT WOULD BE FOR AND EVERYONE FOR THE

CITY MANAGER TO LOOK AT THIS SLIDE IDENTIFY CALLED OUT THE TWO OR THREE PRIMARY ITEMS. MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. NOT ENGAGES IN DISCUSSION ABOUT TFIE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND CALLED OUT A COUPLE OF INDIVIDUAL KEY ITEMS. MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. THEN WE WOULD COME BACK AND GO CAREFULLY THROUGH EACH DEPARTMENT.

IS THAT ACCEPTABLE?

THAT IS GOING TO BE USING UP TIME THAT WE COULD BE GOING

DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT AND LOOKING AT IT CAREFULLY. EVERYBODY WANTS A CAREFUL LOOK. OUR PUBLIC WANTS A CAREFUL LOOK. MY CONCERN IS THAT IS GOING TO TAKE MORE TIME.

WE HAVE A MATRIX IN THE BUDGET. THERE IS A MATRIX FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT SHOWS WHAT INCREASED OR DECREASED.

LET ME ASK THE CITY MANAGER DO YOU HAVE A DEPARTMENTAL SITE.

AFTER THE DEPARTMENTAL SLIDE WHAT DO YOU THEN GO INTO?
THERE ARE A FEW ADDITIONS I MENTIONED BEFORE. THERE ARE SOME ITEMS FORDISCUSSION.

LET'S JUST SHOW US CITY COLINCIL. SHE WAS TFIENEXT DEPARTMENT.

SHOW US EACH OF THEM. NO DISCUSSION. GO TO YOUR FINAL SLIDE AND TFIEN WE WILL COME BACK AND DO TI{E DETAILED DISCUSSION. THAT IS WHAT I'M SEEING OUR COUNCILMEMBERS INTERESTED TN DOING. I THINK THAT IS THE MOST EFFICIENT USE OF OUR TIME. ANYONE WANT TO OBJECT? SO WE NOTE THIS IS CITY COUNCIL. ruST MOVE ON TO TFIE NEXT ONE. SHOW US THE SLIDE. THEN WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND YOU CAN HELP US WITH DISCUSSION.

NEXT SLIDE IS..

CITY MANAGER PERFECT.

CITY ATTORNEY. AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND CITY CLERK.

ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES

EXCELLENT

PLANNING

BUILDING

ENGINEERING
AND THIS IS ALL REFLECTING WHAT IS IN THE TRANSMITTAL -- FIRE.

SOMEONE ELSE IS DRIVING THE SLIDES.

POLICE
AND WHAT IS NEXT? PUBLIC WORKS. THIS IS GOOD. IT GIVES US WHAT THIS DOES IS IT SHOWS US ALL OF THE AREAS WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH. NOT DEPARTMENTAL. IN THE NEXT ONE -- THIS IS KEY FOR YOU CITY MANAGER.

THE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS. IF YOU COULD COVER THIS WITH US.

NOW WOULD BE GREAT.

THE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS IT INCLUDES $3OOO FOR
CLASSIFICATION COMPENSATION STUDY. THESE ARE MOST ITEMS WE CAME

UP WITH THE LAST MINUTE WE WERE NOT ABLE TO SQUEEZE THEM IN IN OUR CONVERSATIONS. SO THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR $3O,OOO. THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AS WELL. TO ESSENTIALLY REVIEW THE CLASSIFICATION OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND THE COMPENSATION OF OUR NEIG}IBORING
JURISDICTIONS. SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO DO EVERY FEW YEARS. AT $1O,OOO TO UPDATEzOzz STAFFING STUDY. WE ARE MAKING ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES AND THAT HELPS US FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO MAKE THEM. WE ARE SUGGESTING ADDING 3OOO FOR COUNCILMEMBER TO ATTEND TFIE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES CONFERENCE. LATER THIS YEAR WHICH WILL HAVE SOME RESOLUTIONS OF STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANCE. ADDING 1O,OOO FOR WARMING AND COOLING CENTERS. WE ARE WE HAVE A FEW DOLLARS LEFT OVER FROM LAST YEAR. NOT ENOUGH TO OPEN UP FOR A FULL DAY. AND TFIEN ADD $2400 FOR TRAINING AND CERTIFICATION FROM CIRA. THAT COMES TO $55,400. I WOULD ruST STOP THERE. I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO FURTHER DETAIL OR MOVE ON IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

THANK YOU. THE REMAINING SLIDES YOU HAVE REMAINING SLIDES.

WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE TIME OF PLANNING STAFF. I CAN DO THAT NOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

I'M LOOKING AT THE COUNCILMEMBERS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO START GOING

THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENTS ARE WE ABLE TO DO THAT OR FINISH THIS? LET'S FINISH.

ONE TOPIC AGAIN ESPECIALLY WITH THE TRANSITION PLANNING DIRECTORS THAT FELT INCOMPLETE AS WE WERE DOING OUR WORK. WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE THAT DEPARTMENT INCREASE ITS REVENUE.

ESSENTIALLY BY SHIFTING SOME OF THE STAFF TIME TO WORK ON PROJECTS WHICH GENERATE REVENUE. AND ALSO TO KEEP SOME OF THE WORK ON GRANT FUNDED PROJECTS --. ALSO A NEED FOR MORE STAFF TIME TO ADMINISTER GRANTS. GRANTS ARE NOT TRULY FREE MONEY. THEY COME WITH ADMINISTERED IF REQUIREMENTS. SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE BURDENSOME. IF YOU DON'T COMPLETE THE PAPERWORK IN THE REPORTING

AND TRACKING YOU ARE AT RISK OF HAVING TO FOR GOLD THE GRANTS OR RETURN TO GRANT FLINDS. IT IS EASY TO TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED. NO PTJN INTENDED. BUT WE DO NEED TIME TO CLOSE THAT DO THAT WORK PROPERLY.

A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT. TO CREATE MORE STAFF TIME. ONE IS TO REDUCE THE STAFF SUPPORT FOR THE PUBLIC'S ARTS COMMISSION BY SHIFTING TTM,M TO QUARTERLY MEETINGS. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH THEM DIRECTLY. T}IERE IS SOME WILLINGNESS ON THEIR PART TO MAKE THAT SHIFT WHICH WOULD FREE UP SOME OF TI{E STAFF TIME AND ALLOW THEM TO WORK ON OTHER ITEMS. TTM, CLIMATE ACTION
COMMITTEE. HAS HAD SOME SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS. THEY WANT TO LOOK AT REVISITING TI{E STAFF. DAVID HAS BEEN OUR POINT PERSON ON THIS FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE. MY SINCE THAT FIRST THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF REDUCING STAFF TIME. THERE'S A LARGER ISSUE AT PLAY IF I UNDERSTAND IT. WHICH IS THE COMMITTEE IS INTERESTED IN HAVING MORE TAXABILITY ABOUT HOW THEY OPERATE IN TERMS OF TF{EIR MEETINGS AND OUTREACH. COMMITTEE MEETINGS OR MEETINGS PART OF TFIE COMMISSION OR THE COMMITTEE BUT NOT THE WHOLE. WHAT I'M NOT

SURE IS CLEAR I KNOW THEY WERE BRIEFED AT ONE POINT ON THE BROWN ACT. IT SEEMS QUESTIONABLE BASED ON WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. IF THAT

FLEXIBILITY STAFF TIME WOULD BE MINIMAL, IS COMPATIBLE WITH

OFFICIAL CITY OF ELYSIAN WHERE WE DO NEED TO HAVE MEETINGS I'M SORRY HAVE AGENDAS AND HALF MINUTES. MAYBE SOME STAFF GUIDANCE TO HEALTH HEALTH INSURANCE COMPLIANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT. IF

YOU HAVE A STANDING COMMITTEE HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AD HOC COMMITTEES ONLY LAST A CERTAIN AMOLINT OF TIME. THIS IS REALLY A CONVERSATION THAT HAS YET TO BE COMPLETED. ABOUT WHAT THE

COMMITTEE REALLY WANTS TO BE RELATED TO THAT IS THE AMOLINT OF STAFF TIME TO SUPPORT IT. WE LOOKING FOR COLTNSEL DIRECTION ON TFIESE TWO ITEMS. I WILL FLIP TO A THIRD ONE.

CITY MANAGER BEFORE YOU MOVE ON. THE PROPOSED BUDGET WHAT DOES IT INCLUDE? DOES IT INCLUDE SUFFICIENT STAFFING AND MONEY FOR

EXPENSES TO CONTINUE THE CURRENT STAFFING AND COVERAGE FOR THE CURRENT FORMAT OF THESE COMMITTEES OR NOT?

I THINK THE BUDGET IS BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE WOULD REDUCE TFIE STAFF TIME FOR THE PUBLIC PARTS. COMMISSION. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE. DAVID PLEASE COME ON UP OR SIT AT THE TABLE.

WE STILL FIAVE A LOT TO GO THROUGH IN TERMS OF TT{E DEPARTMENTAL PIECES. LET'S NOT GET INTO THAT QUITE YET. WE HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS. JUST A QUICK THAT WILL BE A QUESTION LATER ON. THINK GOING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL I KNOW THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN LATER ON. PLEASE JUST GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE REMAINING ITEMS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ruST SOME FOLLOW-UP ITEMS ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD DO AFTER -- AT THE END OF THE MEETING. OTHER THAN THAT THAT IS IT.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I KNOW THAT IS A CURTAILED VERSION OF WHAT YOU WERE HOPING TO PRESENT. THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE READ ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS. WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO NOW IS GO

THROUGH EACH DEPARTMENT AND WE WILL DEFINITELY BE LOOKING TO HELP US THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION. AS WELL AS OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THESE ARE TTM ITEMS ON THE CITY COLTNCIL DEPARTMENT LIST. I

THINK BEFORE WE LEAD INTO ANALYZING EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS I

WOULD LIKE TO JUST GIVE THE CITY COLINCIL MEMBERS HERE AN

OPPORTLINITY TO SHARE THEIR INITIAL THOUGHTS ON THIS BUDGET' PERHAPS START WITH OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE MEMBERS. IF THERE IS ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO OFFER FIRST. OR WE COULD GO ON TO THE OTHER MEMBERS. VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN?
I WILL MAKE A FEW INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS. WE REALLY TRIED I THINK

EVERY PAST YEAR WE'VE TRIED TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AND GET WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE KNEW OUTSIDE OUR COLLEAGUES. AND TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. AS FAST AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. AS WITH LAST YEAR ALL OF THIS IS ON [INAUDIBLE]. ADDITIONAL THINK WE TRIED THIS

YEAR WAS A ROLLING LIST OF ACTIONS THAT WE HAD AT EACH BUDGET MEETING. WE WORKED HARD COUNCILMEMBER MAURER AND I WORKED HARD TO REVIEW MARY'S NOTES. AND WE TRIED TO GET THEM POSTED UNDER EACH BUDGET MEETING. SO THAT EVERYONE COULD KIND OF FOLLOW ALONG. ALSO THE HOPE IF THERE WERE ANY BIG THINGS THAT

ANYONE WANTED TO DISCUSS OR THROW IN THEY COULD THROW IN AND WE WOULD STILL HAVE TIME TO EXAMINE ALL OF THEM. THAT WAS OUR HOPE. WHICH WAS TO BE AS TRANSPARENT WITH THE INFORMATION AS SOON AS WE KNEW IT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF. VERY HARD-WORKING VERY DEDICATED. THIS YEAR WAS DIFFERENT. SOME DIFFERENT ACCOUNTING PRACTICES. BUT YES I'M GLAD THAT WE DID THIS. LINFORTLINATELY IT DID NOT MAKE OUR NORMAL TIME PERIOD. NOW WE ARE INTO THE MONTH OF ruLY. I HAVE FAITH WE WILL GET IT THROUGH TODAY.

EXCELLENT.

SO, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON OR McLEWIS.

I ruST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE BUDGET
SUBCOMMITTEE. HAVING SERVED ON THE BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE FOR 5 YEARS IT IS A LOT OF WORK. I KNOW IT CAN BE YOU DO A LOT OF WORK AND THEN WE GET HERE ON THE FULL DAIS AND THEN EVERYBODY WAYS AND.

SOMETIMES IT IS LIKE .- IT IS IT CAN BE DIFFICULT. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. AND TONIGHT IF I DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IS PART OF IT. IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT -- I JUST WANT TO BE UPFRONT ABOUT THAT. I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS IN THE BUDGET THAT ARE REALLY POLICY DECISIONS. THAT

THE COUNCIL WLL HAVE TO WAIT AND PICK TO WFMRE OUR VALUES ARE AND WHETHER WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN'T AFFORD THOSE AT THIS TIME. I'M GOING TO SAVE COMMENTS AS WE GO THROUGH LINE BY LINE. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK FROM CITY STAFF AS WELL.

COLTNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS TO
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THIS IS A TON OF TIME. I DID NOT WATCH EVERY RECORDING. I DID WATCH QUITE A FEW. IT IS HELPFUL WHEN WE MOVE INTO THIS FINAL PRODUCT. AGAIN MAY NOT ALWAYS DISAGREE BUT I TRULY APPRECIATE THE TIME EVERYONE PUT IN. ALSO IN GENERAL

TONIGHT WHEN WE WORK THROUGH THIS, FOR ME MY GUIDING LIGHT IS GOING TO BE THE COMML]NITY FEEDBACK. AND TTIE DECISIONS IN THE COMMENTS THAT I MAKE. THAT IS ruST HOW I'M APPROACHING THIS TONIGHT. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK WE DID RECEIVE. AND

THAT WE PUT THAT OUT THERE AHEAD OF TIME SO WE COULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS THINKING. THANK YOU FOR THAT. TFIAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

ECHO THE NOTES OF APPRECIATION. ALSO THE REMINDER TO EVERYONE

THAT THIS IS THE DECISION-MAKING BODY AND THEREFORE ALL OF US HAVE TO GET OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED ON BEHALF OF ALL OF YOU.

RELYING ON THE DEEP DIVE THAT OUR FELLOW CITY COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE DONE. BUT MAKING OUR OWN INDEPENDENT ETHICAL AND WELLINFORMED WE HOPE DECISIONS. OUR GENERAL PROCESS WOULD BE AND I'M LOOKING TO MARRY GURLEY. IT WOULD BE TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS FIRST.

AND THEN GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC. AND IN RETURN TO COLINSEL TABLE FOR COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION. IS THAT THE FORMAT WE NEED TO RESPECT? COUNCILMEMBERS ARE GOING TO BE EAGER TO COMMENT.

I THINK YOU SHOULD GO THROUGH AND ASK ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

FIRST. AND THEN GO OUT AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. OF COURSE IT WOULD BE CONTTNUED TO THE AUGUST 12 MEETING. BUT THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. ASK WHATEVER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FIRST. AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET. THEN OPEN IT UP FOR COMMLINITY INPUT'

IN THAT CONTEXT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. THE COUNCILMEMBER MAURER'S QUESTION POINT AND

APPROPRIATE QUESTION COULD BE WAS X ITEM INCLUDED IN THE LIST AND IF SO WHY NOT? THAT MIGHT HELP COLINCILMEMBERS TO IDENTIFY ANY

ITEMS THAT WERE IMPORTANT THAT HAVE NOT YET SHOWN UP IN THESE LISTS.

I WANT TO APOLOGIZE WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS LIST I PRETTY MUCH KNOW SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE BIG. I WAS NOT THINKING THAT THIS WAS JUST THE CITY COT]NCIL THIS WAS THE OVERALL. SO MY APOLOGIES.

WE WISH IT WAS THE ONLY LIST.

THERE ARE TWO ISSUES IN HERE THAT ARE NOTABLE WHICH IS 1O,OO4 A [TNAUDIBLE] SESSION. 4004
WE ARE ruST GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.

I KNOW IT IS HARD. WE ARE EAGER TO GET INTO THIS.

WE HAVE THESE ITEMS THAT ARE HERE ON THE CITY COLTNCIL LIST. I KNOW THAT THE SON IS MAKING IT HARD TO READ THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY TO REPOSITION IT. BUT LOOKING AT THESE ITEMS THAT ARE ON

THE LIST DOES ANYONE ON THE CITY COLINCIL HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THIS LIST? WE HAVE 25OO REDUCTION IN CONTRACT WITH PCA. 4OOO REDUCTION FOR LEGAL HEARTNG NOTICES. 35OO REDUCTION FOR SHUTTLE FAIRPROGRAM. 36,800 BEING SHIFTED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 1O,OOO SHIFT TO THE PUBLIC FOR PUBLIC COMMLTNICATIONS TO CITY MANAGER. 7186INCREASE IN BENEFITS THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED FOR NEW CITY COUNCILMEMBERS. 1O,OOO TNCREASE FOR CONTRACT SUPPORT FOR A GOALSETTING. $4000 INCREASE TO FLIND MEMBERSHIP AND VARIOUS EQUITY RELATED ORGANIZATIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY COUNCILMEMBERS ON THE ITEMS HERE?
COLTNCILMEMBER HINTON.

I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE $3500 REDUCTION IN COSTS FOR TI{E SHUTTLE FAIR PROGRAM. IS THAT GOING TO MEAN THAT WE WOULD BE

COLLECTING FROM WRITERS BECAUSE WE ARE REDUCING OUR FLINDING OR SOME OTHER REASON? THAT IS ONE. 2 MY SECOND RIGHT OFF QUESTION IS THE $4OOO INCREASE FOR FUNDING MEMBERSHIPS IN CERTAIN
ORGANIZATIONS. IS THE INTENT OF THAT THAT WE WILL ATTEND THESE

ORGANIZATIONS AND BE ACTIVE MEMBERS AND WE WOULD ASSIGN STAFF MEMBERS OR IS THAT JUST WRITING A CHECK TO BE LONG? THOSE ARE MY FrRST TWO QUESTIONS.

CITY MANAGER WHO WOULD BEST ANSWER?

I THINK THE REDUCTION IN COST FOR THE SHUTTLE FAIR PROGRAM IS BASICALLY NO CHANGE IN THE PROGRAM. THEY RECOGNIZE WE ARE IN FINANCIAL CHALLENGES. THEY WANT US TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. THEY ARE REDUCING OUR FEES. OTHERWISE THERE SHOULD BE NO CHANGES.

NEXT YEAR THERE MIGHT BE TO RESTORE --
THE OTHER QUESTION WAS REGARDING THE $4OOO IN MEMBERSHIP FEES.

THE IDEA HERE IS TO BECOME MEMBERS OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS AS A WAY OF A COUPLE THINGS. ONE IS DEMONSTRATING THE CITIES VALUING DTVERSITY. OUR COMMLINITY AND BEING PART OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS AS A WAY OF DOING THAT. A WAY TO SYMBOLIZE A SIGNAL TO STAFF EITFIER POTENTIAL STAFF OR EXISTING STAFF YOU ARE VALUED.

REGARDLESS OF YOUR ETHNICITY OR DISABILITIES. SO,IN TERMS OF

ACTUALLY ATTENDING EVENTS I WOULD HOPE WE ARE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THAT. TO A LARGE EXTENT THAT DEPENDS ON TO WHAT EXTENT THE

COLINCIL MAKES THIS A PRIORITY FOR SPENDING OF STAFF TIME AS WELL AS COUNCILMEMBERS I PRESUME WOULD BE ABLE TO ATTEND EVENTS.

SPONSORED BY THESE ORGANIZATIONS.

I HAD A THIRD ONE. DIRECTED AT OUR CITY CLERK. $4OOO REDUCTION LEGAL HEARING NOTICES. HOW CAN WE REDUCE THAT?

THE REASON WE CAN REDUCE IT IS WE DON'T ANTICIPATE A LOT OF ZONING CODE CHANGES THIS YEAR. BASED ON THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IT DEPENDS ON EVERY FEW YEARS WE HAVE A BIG BUILDING CODE CHANGE. FIRE CODE CHANGE. OVER ALL MTINI CODE CHANGE. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THIS YEAR. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THESE ITEMS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL? PROPOSED BUDGET. I HAD A FOLLOW-UP ITEM. IN TERMS OF THE $4OOO MEMBERSHIP AMOUNT. IS THAT SIMPLY A MEMBERSHIP FEE OR DOES THAT PROVIDE OTHER SUBSTANTIVE BENEFITS TO THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL -.? ATTENDANCE OPPORTL]NITIES.

I DON'T HAVE A REALLY DETAILED LINDERSTANDING OF THE BENEFITS THAT COME WITH MEMBERSHIP. I BELIEVE IT INCLUDES INVITATIONS OR AT LEAST NOTIFICATIONS OF EVENTS. THE GOVERNMENT EQUITY ALSO KNOWN AS --

HAS A ROBUST PROGRAM WHICH I BELIEVE WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE RESOURCE TRAININGS AND OTF{ER MATERIALS. EVENTS PERHAPS .- I BELIEVE COMES WITH MEMBERSHIP. THAT IS ABOUT AS FAR AS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO LOOK INTO THIS.

FURTHER DISCUSSION AT A LATER POINT. THE WORDING OF THIS ITEM APPEARS TO IN FACT BE A PLACEHOLDER. THE FUND MEMBERSHIP IN SUCH AS -- I WOULD BE CURIOUS ABOUT WHERE THE $4OOO AMOLINT CAME UP AND

WHETHER THERE IS AN OPPORTLTNITY FOR REDUCED AMOUNT THAT WOULD ALLOW PARTICIPATION BY THE CITY AND SOME IF NOT ALL OF THESE.

THE NUMBERS WE'VE COME UP WITH THE MEMBERSHIP IS $IOOO A YEAR.

NAACP OFFERS TEARS RANGING FROM SILVER AS 750 -. DIAMOND AT 2500.

LATINO SERVICE PROVIDERS DONATION BASE PROGRAM. THOSE OF THE DOLLARS THAT I HAVE AVAILABLE. THAT IS TFIE, BEST INFORMATION I HAVE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS -- I'M SORRY COLINCILMEMBER MCLEWIS.

IS SOMEONE WHO RL]NS A MEMBERSHIP ORGANIZATION I KNOW THAT PEOPLE BECOME MEMBERS ALL THE TIME. THEN THEY ARE NOT ACTIVE AND DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE VALUE. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THE

COTINCIL IS NOT ATTENDING IS IT FEASIBLE FOR STAFF TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THIS? LIKE I SAID I DO THIS EVERY DAY WITH MEMBERSHIPS. I KNOW SOMETIMES QUITE A FEW PEOPLE SIGN UP AND TFIEY NEVER DO ANYTHTNG. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS REALISTIC?
I THINK SOME ATTENDANCE IS PROBABLY REALISTIC. I WOULD COME BACK

TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER ABOUT AND THIS IS THE POINT ABOUT DOING THE GOALSETTING PRIORITY SETTING. YOU HAVE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO YOU AS A COLINSEL TO DECIDE THE PRIORITIES. THE DOLLARS THE BUDGET IS ONE OF THEM. STAFF TIME IS ANOTHER ONE. TO TFIE EXTENT YOU MAKE

PARTICIPATION IN THESE ORGANIZATIONS OR ACTIVITIES A PRIORITY FOR US TI{EN WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO HONOR THAT. I WILL SAY WE ARE A THINLY STAFFED ORGANIZATION. I'VE SAID IN THE BUDGET MATERIALS AND

ELSEWHERE WE ARE AT OR NEAR OR BELOW THE STAFFING LEVELS APPROPRIATE FOR A COMMLTNITY AND CITY OF THIS SIZE. WE DON'T HAVE FOLKS LOOKING FOR THINGS TO DO. I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO

DO SOME ENGAGEMENT IF THE COLTNCIL DEEMS IT A PRIORITY TO PURSUE THE MEMBERSHIP.

I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT SEVEN DEPARTMENTS LEFT TO GO. LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE WITH QUESTIONS.

I THINK THIS WOULD BE TI{E CITY MANAGER. THIS IS WE SEE 52,OOO FOUR BAKER TILLY. I LTNDERSTAND THAT A CERTAIN PORTION OF THIS ACTUALLY BEFORE AN ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES REVIEW. MAYBE CAN DETAIL THE $52,OOO HOW THAT WOULD BREAK DOWN.

I DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE BREAKDOWN ON THAT. WE ALSO HAVE SOME FUNDING CONTINUING FROM ACRE TILLY. WE SPENT $30,000 ON [INAUDIBLE] SERVICES SO FAR THIS YEAR. I WOULD LIKE TO ENSURE WE HAVE FUNDING

TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH HIM ON THE FINANCIAL MODELING NEXT FISCAL YEAR AS WELL. SO I DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE DOLLAR AMOLTNT.

T}IE POSSIBLE MANAGEMENT REVIEW ABETMENT SHOULD OF SERVICES THAT WOULD BE A SECOND PROJECT OR EFFORT. I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER ON REPORTING HOW WE ESTIMATE EXPENSES FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS.IT IS WORTH LOOKING AT. THOSE ARE EXAMPLES OF PRACTICES TO IMPROVE OUR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT. I DON'T HAVE A SCOPE OF WORK IDENTIFIED IN DETAIL. I HAVE A VERY GOOD START

AT IT BUT I FIAVE NOT SOLICITED BIDS OR PROPOSALS FROM FIRMS OR

INDIVIDUALS WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN CAPABLE OF DOING THIS WORK.

OF THAT 52,OOO IT SOLINDS LIKE APPROXIMATELY 3O,OOO WOULD BE FOR IN

YOUR ESTIMATE, FOR CONTINUING SERVICES ADVISORY SERVICES FROM BAKER TILLY. APPROXIMATELY 22,OOO YOU EXPECT FOR THE
ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.

THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD BALLPARK.

WE ALSO HAVE 23,004 THE VEHICLE AND FOR THE FLEET AND VEHICLE SURVEY TO DETERMINE FUTURE NEEDS. IO,OOO FOR FACILITATOR FOR PERFORMANCE EVALUATION. 6000 FOR PAYMENT OF PRIOR OBLIGATIONS IN

ORDER TO RELALINCH FOR AN AMOUNT WE OWE THEM AND DID NOT PAY LASTYEAR. IO,OOO FOR SHIPPED OF CONTRACT COSTS FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS FROM CITY COUNCIL TO CITY MANAGER. ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE ITEMS FROM COLINCILMEMBERS?
ONENOTE I WANT TO REDUCE THE 23,OOO TO 2O,OOO. WE DON'TNEED TO SPEND THE FULL 23.

THAT WOULD BE FOR THE FLEET ASSESSMENT. ARE YOU LOOKING TO SHIP TI{AT 3OOO ELSEWFIERE?
WE CAN DO THE REST OF TI{E WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

IS THIS PROCESS WORKING FOR COLTNCILMEMBERS TO RLTN THROUGH TI{EM? NEXT SLIDE IS I THINK OUR CITY ATTORNEY. THERE WERE NO CHANGES. WE HAD THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. I O,OOO AND REDUCE BALLOT MEASURE EXPENSES. GREAT ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER NEEDS $10,000 LESS. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? MOVING ONTO THE NEXT.

ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES. THIS WE HAVE THE I74,600 FOUR -- THIS IS REDUCTIONS. WE WOULD REDUCE THE BUDGET BECAUSE THESE WERE ONETIME FLINDS THAT ARE NO LONGER NEEDED.

COST ALLOCATION BALLOT MEASURES IT DEPENDS ON HOW OFTEN YOU DO TFIEM. WE WON'T BE REPEATING THEM IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

WE }IAVE A REDUCTION FIERE FOR TFMSE ONE.TIME ITEMS THAT WE NO LONGERNEED. $1O,OOO INCREASE FOR SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE. $25,OOO SHIPPED OF EXPENSES FOR PROPERTY TAX SERVICES FROM NONDEPARTMENTAL INTO ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES. $3OOO INCREASE FOR ONE

PERSON IN THE CITY TO ATTEND THE MORAN SONOMA LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THESE ITEMS?
THE MORAN SONOMA LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. WHO IS THAT AND WHY WOULD THEY BE ATTENDING?
THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT BEGAN THIS YEAR IN SONOMA COLINTY. IT HAS BEEN RUNNING FOR THE BETTER PART OF A DECADE. IN OTHER PARTS OF TFM, BAY AREA. IT IS DONE ON A COUNTYWIDE BASIS. IT IS ASPIRING AND UPAND-COMING CITY STAFF ATTEND APPROXIMATELY EIGHT FULL-DAY SESSIONS. IT IS ORGANIZED OR FOUNDED BY A GENTLEMAN WHO IS A BIG GURU ABOUT LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT NATIONALLY. FORMER CIry MANAGER FROM PALO ALTO. IT IS HIGHLY REGARDED. A PROGRAM THAT IS WHY IT HAS EXPANDED TO SO MANY COUNTIES. MARIN AND SONOMA COLINTIES ALMOST ARE PARTICIPATED LAST YEAR. INAUGURAL YEAR OF THE PROGRAM. EIGHT FULL DAYS OF PROGRAMMING PLUS MENTORING AND WORK PROJECTS. IT IS A ROBUST PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE ASPIRING TO MOVE UP IN ORGANIZATIONS. FUTURE DEPARTMENT HEADS FOR EXAMPLE. WOULD BE THE AUDIENCE FOR THIS.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. OF THE NEW SERVER 114 600. HOW MUCH OF TFIAT WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO SERVICE FROM MARIN IT THEIR CONTRACT? DO I ASSUME CORRECTLY THE IO,OOO IS AN ALLOCATION ALSO TO MARIN IT? 114,OOO IS A REDUCTION.

SORRY
TO ANSWER THE $lO,OOO ITEM.

THE $IO,OOO IS FOR THE FINANCIAL SOFTWARE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE. IT WAS UNDER BUDGETED FOR 23 AND 24.

THAT IS AN ANNUAL WE HAVE TO PAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I HAD A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION REGARDING THE LEADERSHIP ACADEMY.

YOU SAID IT WAS THE INAUGURAL YEAR. WHO ATTENDED THE INAUGURAL YEAR WHAT LEVEL OF LEADERSHIP WITHIN THE CITY HAS ATTENDED? NOBODY FROM SEBASTOPOL ATTENDED. FROM OT}IER CITIES IT INCLUDED POLICE UNIT LIEUTENANTS. HOUSING PROGRAM MANAGER. ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. SENIOR ANALYST.

THANK YOU. IT GIVES ME A SENSE OF IT.

WAS SEBASTOPOL THE ONLY CITY THAT WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE ? IN SONOMA COUNTY I BELIEVE SO. I DON'T KNOW IOO%.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS SLIDE FOR ADMINISTERED OF SERVICES? THIS MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE WHICH I THINK IS PLANNING.

THIS TIES INTO THE ITEM WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW MOMENTS AGO ABOUT STAFF TIME AND GOING TO REVENUE-GENERATING WORK. OR GRANT RELATED WORK. AND ALSO INCLUDES I WILL WAIT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU PREFER.

SO WE'VE GOT 91,800 FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF STAFF TIME. 5O,OOO FOR MONITORING OF OWNERSHIP HOUSING UNITS. THAT IS A NEW ITEM. 22,OOO FOR MONITORING OF RENTAL HOUSING UNITS. AGAIN A NEW ITEM. GOING BACK TO THE ITEM THAT OUR CIry MANAGER WAS SUMMARIZING HERE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM?

GO AHEAD
WHICH ONE DID YOU SAY?
ANY OF THESE ITEMS.

EXPLAIN THE HOUSING -- I READ ABOUT IT.

IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE BETWEEN THAT AND THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING. TT{E 50 IN THE 22.

I'M NOT TERRIBLY FAMILIAR WITH THESE FLTNDS. I CAN EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE FOR THE SPENDING. I DON'T KNOW IF DAVID KNOWS ABOUT THE FLINDS. THE RATIONALE FOR TFIE SPENDING.

THE RATIONALE
THIS KEEPS MAKING THAT NOISE. SPELLING I WILL TAKE MY BEST SHOT AT EXPLAINING IT. IT HELPS US COMPLY WITH THE HOUSING ELEMENT OF OUR GENERAL PLAN TO PRESERVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. MONITORTNG THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO ENSURE IT STAYS AFFORDABLE. WHEN THERE IS A

CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS STAY WITH THE NEW OWNERSHIP IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. I BELIEVE ESSENTIALLY

THE SAME IS TRUE FOR THE RENTAL HOUSING TINITS TO MAKE SURE THEY

STAY AVAILABLE TO FOLKS WHO QUALIFY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. THIS IS A WAY OF TRACKING THAT.

DID YOU SAY IT WAS NEW?
THIS IS A NEW ITEM.

IT IS NEW SPENDING. WHAT DID WE DO PREVIOUSLY?
I DON'T BELIEVE WE DID TTIE MONITORING. NOT THAT I KNOW OF ANYWAY.

DAVID --
I DID GET A RESPONSE FROM OUR REGARDING THIS QUESTION. FROM DAVID.

TFIERE YOU GO.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION?
THE QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE $50,000 OWNERSHIP HOUSING LINITS.

AMOLTNT IN THE 22,OOO RENTAL HOUSING LINIT AMOLINT.

RESPONSE YOU GAVE TO ME TODAY BY EMAIL ABOUT THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE EXPENSES AND WHY MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THEM.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. SURE. THE PRIOR PLANNING DIRECTOR ACTUALLY HAD REACHED OUT TO THE -.

CAN YOU PUT THE MICROPHONE CLOSER?
REACHED OUT TO THE HOUSING LAND TRUST HERE IN SONOMA COLTNTY.

AND ALSO TO THE COMMLINITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. REQUESTED PROPOSALS FOR THIS KIND OF WORK. AS I INDICATED IN THE INFORMATION I

FORWARDED TO YOU, EARLIER TODAY, THE HOUSING ELEMENT FOR TFIE

CITY OF SEBASTOPOL REALLY CALLS FOR MONITORING OF YOUR HOUSING INVENTORY. YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING INVENTORY. IT SPECIFICALLY STATED IN ONE OF YOUR PROGRAMS IN YOUR HOUSING ELEMENT. AND SO THE IDEA REALLY IS THE FORMER DIRECTOR RECEIVED PROPOSALS. THE PROPOSALS WERE NOT ACTED UPON. SO AT THIS TIME THERE IS REALLY NO FORMAL ACTIVE MONITORING OF YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING INVENTORY.

THAT IS NOT RECOMMENDED. FIRST OFF IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH YOUR ADOPTED HOUSING ELEMENT. AND IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT THOSE

UNITS THEY AFFORDABLE IN TERMS OF WHO THEY ARE RENTED TO, WHO

THEY ARE SOLD TO, HOW THEY ARE TRANSFERRED OVER TIME IT IS GOTNG TO BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT OVERSEEN. CURRENTLY YOU DON'T HAVE

THE IN-HOUSE STAFF TO ACTUALLY TAKE ON THAT WORK' SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS A THIRD-PARTY MONITOR TO DO THAT. I DESCRIBED TFIAT IN THE INFORMATION I PROVIDED TO YOU.

AS A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT, HOW MANY AFFORDABLE OWNERSHIP HOUSING

LTNITS DO WE HAVE AND HOW MANY AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING LINITS DO WE HAVE?
IN THIS TOWN THERE ARE AT LEAST 137 OWNERSHIP I.]NITS. IN APPROXIMATELY I'M SORRY. ACTUALLY 391 RENTAL LTNITS. COLLECTIVELY, WELL OVER 5OO UNITS T}IAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO MONITORING. AS I

INDICATED IN THE MEMO I GAVE TO YOU, AS PART OF YOUR HOUSING

ELEMENT MONITORING ANNUAL MONITORING IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO

DEMONSTRATE TO THE STATE HCD THAT YOU ARE ACTIVELY MONITORING THESE UNITS TO ENSURE THAT THEY STAY AFFORDABLE.

THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WE ARE MONITORING BUT DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE? IF WE ARE ruST MONITORING BUT WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT THEN I'M ruST QUESTIONING TT{E SPEND.

I THINK YOU DO. WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS

GOING ON OUT THERE IN TERMS OF AS YOU HAVE A MONITOR THEY WILL

KEEP TRACK OF THE RESTRICTIONS THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL PUTS ON DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. AND TO ENSURE THEN BY CHECKING ON THOSE

HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT THOSE LTNITS ARE BEING RENTED AND SOLD TO ELIGIBLE HOUSEHOLDS NUMBER ONE. IF THEY ARE NOT, DOING THAT TI{EN THEY WILL PROVIDE NOTIFICATION TO THE CITY. THE CITY CAN USE

THAT INFORMATION IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. OTHERWISE YOU COULD AS A CITY LOOSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING

LINITS AS THEY MAY BE RENTED OR SOLD TO HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. HCD HAS PUT IN PLACE AN ENFORCEMENT GROUP. THEY WILL BE LOOKING MUCH MORE CAREFULLY AT THIS OVER TIME. AS PART OF YOUR ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORTS.

I'M ruST WONDERING ARE WE PENALTZED? I'M ruST WONDERING ..

I THINK SHE IS LOOKING FOR THE ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES. IF WE DON'T DO IT THIS IS A CHUNK OF MONEY. LET'S RECOGNIZE THAT. $72,000. WHAT ARE Tm CONSEQUENCES IF WE DON'T DO THIS?

THE CONSEQUENCES ARE WORST-CASE CONSEQUENCES ARE THAT YOU LOOSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. AS HCD HOUSING COMML]NITY

DEVELOPMENT WOULD BECOME AWARE OF THAT, WORST-CASE COULD JEOPARDIZE CERTIFICATION OF YOUR HOUSING ELEMENT. WHICH COULD AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR GRANTS. A STANDARD

REQUIREMENT FOR GRANT MONEY IS THAT YOU HAVE A CERTIFIED HOUSING ELEMENT. AND YOU ARE IN GOOD STANDING WITH HCD. FURTHER THERE ARE FINES AND PENALTIES.

THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONSEQUENCES.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE 91,800.

I AM CURIOUS ABOUT TFM WORDING OF THIS. 91,800 AND REIMBURSEMENT

OF STAFF TIME FOR REVENUE-GENERATING WORK ON DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. WHY ARE WE CALLING THIS ISN'T IS $9I,8OO TO BE SPENT ON STAFF TIME FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND GRANTS? WHAT IS TFIE
REIMBURSEMENT PIECE?
IF I COULD I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TRY TO EXPLAIN. THE IDEA IS THE CITY

CAN FREE UP STAFF TIME TO THEN WORK ON REIMBURSABLE PROJECTS

WHETHER IT IS A DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS LIKE THE HOTEL PROJECT HOTEL SEBASTOPOL . WORK DIRECTLY ON GRANTS. WHERE STAFF TIME IS ELIGIBLE FOR FREE REIMBURSEMENT THAT IS THE $91,800. AS THE STAFF DOES NOT

HAVE TFIE CAPACITY TO WORK ON THOSE PROJECTS, THEN CITY WOULD BE

IN A POSITION IT WOULD NEED TO CONTRACT OUT FOR CONTRACT STAFF TO DO THAT WORK. AND THOSE FLTNDS THAT COULD BE HELD WITHIN THE CITY I THEN PASSED THROUGH TO AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR. DOES THAT HELP? THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION BUT IT ALSO RAISES ANOTHER QUESTION. IF THE EXPECTATION IS THIS $91,800 WORTH OF STAFF TIME WILL RESULT IN

REVENUE REIMBURSEMENT TO THE CITY, ARE WE ALSO SAYING THIS PROPOSED BUDGET ON THE RECEIPT SIDE THE EXPECTATION OF $91,800 COMING IN AS A RESULT OF THE REIMBURSABLE EFFORTS BY OUR STAFF?

THE OVERALL ASSUMPTION AGAIN AS PART OF THE PART OF THE BUDGET IS THAT TF{ERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL STAFF CAPACIry MADE AVAILABLE

THROUGH REORGANIZATION OF YOUR BOARDS COMMITTEES AND
COMMISSION. SO AS TIIAT COULD OCCUR, THAT IS PART OF YOUR WIDER DISCUSSION.

I UNDERSTAND. TFIE JUSTIFICATION HERE I THINK I LTNDERSTAND CLEARLY.

WE WANT TO USE THAT STAFF TIME IN ORDER TO DO WORK THAT CAN THEN BE REIMBURSED. SO MY QUESTION AGAIN WOULD BE IF WE ARE PUTTING

THIS ON THE EXPENSE SIDE ARE WE ALSO ON THE REVENUE SIDE HAVING A LINE ITEM THAT SAYS WE EXPECT 91,800 TO COME IN? WE ARE NOT. IS THE ANSWER FROM OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DIRECTOR.

THE WAY IT WORKS WITH THE STAFF REIMBURSEMENT IS IT IS THERE IS A LINE ITEM ON PAGE 65 SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

STAFF WILL GET PAID TFIE WAY THEY GET PAID. THAT IS HOW WE BUDGET.

AS THEY WORK THROUGH THESE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS GRANT PROJECTS THEY WOULD SUBMIT TO HAVE A NET IINAUDIBLE] DECREASED TO THE COST OF THE SALARY OF YOUR SALARY. YOU WILL SEE ON THAT PAGE 65 ON TFIE DETAILS TT{ERE IS A LINE ITEM CALLED STAFF REIMBURSEMENT. THAT WOULD BE A NET EXPENSE.

IT SOLTNDS LIKE THE NET RESULT OF ALL OF THAT IS THAT YES THERE IS FACTORED IN .-
THERE IS A DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY FOR REIMBURSEMENT.

SOMEWFIERE TTMRE IS AN EXPECTATION TI{AT TI{AT $9I,8OO -- THE GENERAL FLIND.

THAT IS WIIAT I WANTED TO KNOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
I WANT TO COMMENT. YOU WERE SAYING YOU SENT US THIS INFORMATION.

NOT THAT I DID NOT READ IT. WE RECEIVED IT 20 MINUTES BEFORE WE STARTED TFIE MEETING. ruST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER --
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COLTNCILMEMBERS ON THIS PLANNING LIST? OKAY SO ANYTHING?
LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

WHICH IS BUILDING.

WE TALKED BRIEFLY BEFORE ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE

ONE-TIME REVENUE LARGELY FROM THE CANOPY PROJECT AND ALSO TO A

LESSER EXTENT FROM THE FEE INCREASES YOU APPROVED NOT TOO LONG AGO. TFIERE IS 5O,OOO INCREASED INSPECTIONS AND RELATED WORK DUE TO THE TNCREASED IN DEVELOPMENT.

I DID HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. BUT ANY QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COLTNCILMEMBERS? MY QUESTION ON BUILDING IS YOU MENTIONED THE $1 MILLION EXPECTED TO COME IN THROUGH THE CANOPY PROJECT. WHAT PORTION OF THAT $I MILLION WOULD GO INTO OUR GENERAL FLIND? ALL OF IT.

AND IS THAT REFLECTED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET $I MILLION IN REVENUE FOR OUR GENERAL FUND?
IT IS 8OO,OOO ADDITIONAL FROM TFIE CANOPY PROJECT. MAKING A TOTAL OF NUMBER ONE POINT TO. WE WOULD GET 4OO,OOO WITH OUR EVERYDAY SMALL PERMITS. BUT 1OO% OF THAT 1 POINT TO IS GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND AT THIS YEAR.

THIS FISCAL YEAR.

THIS FISCAL YEAR. A LIKE AMOLINT OR SOMEWHERE NEAR THAT AMOLINT WOULD GO IN NEXT YEAR. BEFORE THERE IS NO MORE LAND TO BUILD.

THANK YOU COLINCILMEMBER.

I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT MONEY FROM [INAUDIBLE] IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. IS THAT ALLOCATED SOMEWHERE?
IT IS IN THERE. $IOO,OOO I BELIEVE WE ADDED IT CORRECT. FOR THAT PROJECT. THERE IS 22 UNITS UP THERE TYPICALLY VOTING PERMITS FOR $2O,OOO. SINCE THAT IS AN APARTMENT BUILDING YOU DON'T GET THOSE FULL FEES. IT IS BASICALLY ABOUT 1OO TO I IO WILL BE THE BUILDING PERMIT PORTION. THEY WOULD BE IMPACT FEES THAT WILL BE COLLECTED IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AT THE VERY EARLIEST. T}IEY DON'T PAY THOSE UNTIL THE PROJECT IS DONE.

TWO QUESTIONS. YOU ruST SAID A TYPICAL FEE FOR A NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION IS 2O,OOO.

CORRECT
SECOND QUESTION WAS SO -- WORKED INTO THE 400,000 ESTIMATED.

IT IS OVER AND ABOVE.

UNAUDIBLEI COMMONS IS ABOUT THAT AND IT IS 100,000. I THINK OUR TOTAL NOW IS I.3. AND I SAID ONE POINT TOO EARLY. 8OO,OOO FROM CANOPY REFIGURED 4O,OOO -- -- 4OO WOULD BE A NORMAL YEAR. THAT IS OUR ROUTINE REMODELS AND A/D USE IN THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THEN WE STUCK ANOTHER IOO,OOO FOR COMMENTS.

I WOULD LIKE TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH OUR CITY MANAGER. IS IN FACT THE lOO,OOO ANTICIPATED FROM COMMENTS IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET? YES

AND THEN A QUESTION THAT I HAD FOLLOW-UP ON THIS TOPIC WHICH IS I'VE HEARD YOU MENTION TTTE IMPACT FEES. SO THE IMPACT FEES MY LINDERSTANDING DO NOT GO INTO TTM GENERAL FUND. BUT THEY WOULD BE WHICH FUND WITH THEY GO INTO?
THERE ARE ENTERPzuSE FUND FIRST SEWER WATER TRAFFIC MITIGATION.

BUILDING AND FACILITIES.

THERE IS ONE FOR FIRE FACILITIES. I THINK BUILDING FACILITIES IS $1OOO PER NEW HOUSE AND FIRE FACILITIES IS SOMETHING THAT AREA. NONE OF THOSE ARE GENERAL FLIND ACCOLTNTS. THEY ARE ENTERPRISE FLINDS THAT

CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THE MAINTENANCE REPAIR OF THOSE SPECIFIC FACILITIES. IN CALIFORNIA NOW WE CANNOT COLLECT IMPACT FEES UPFRONT. T}IEY HAVE TO BE COLLECTED AT COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.

SO MOST OF THOSE WOULD NOT BE REALIZED LINTIL THE 25 AND 26 FISCAL YEAR.

THOSE IMPACT FEES CAN ALSO BE USED FOR ROADS AND STREETS AND OTHER PURPOSES.

ABSOLUTELY. LIKE I SAID THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT OR SIX DIFFERENT

IMPACT FEES THAT ARE IN THERE THAT CAN BE USED FOR DIFFERENT THINGS. INCLUDING THERE WILL BE MONEY TO REFURBISH WELLS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND THOSE ENTERPRISE FLINDS.

MY QUESTION IS TO STAFF OR WHOEVER COULD ANSWER THIS QUESTION. IN

OUR PROPOSED BUDGET DO WE SHOW THOSE IMPACT FEES THOSE

PROJECTED IMPACT FEES IS BEING RECEIVED AND WHERE DO TFIEY SHOW UP AND ARE THEY TARGETED TO BENEFIT PARTICULAR PROJECTS?
THEY ARE TARGETED FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE FUNCTIONS. WE DO SHOW A DRASTIC INCREASE IN IMPACT FEES THIS FISCAL YEAR. A LOT OF THAT WILL COME FROM THE WOODMARK PROJECT. THEY HAVE NOT PAID THEIR IMPACT FEES AS OF YET. YOU ARE LOOKING AT ME LIKE I'M SAYING SOMETHING WRONG.

WTMRE DO THOSE SHOW UP IN OUR BUDGET? THOSE IMPACT FEES.

I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE THE FULL FOCUS ON ROADS AND STREETS.

THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE. THAT IS WHERE ALL THE SPECIAL UNAUDIBLE] START. SINCE I'M SHARING MY SCREEN I CAN SEE THE BACKGROLIND. PAGE 169 WITH THE GENERAL GOVERNMENTAL FACILITY FEE FLTNDS. THERE IS I5O,OOO DOLLARS AND THEREFORE SOMETHING. 169.

THE POINT IS WITHOUT DERAILING US TOO MUCH FIERE. THOSE AMOLINTS ARE SHOWING UP AS RECETVED REVENUE. ITLOOKS LIKE 15O,OOO ON PAGE 169. THAT AMOUNT COULD BE USED FOR ROADS AND STREETS OR OTHER -.

THE EACH HAVE TO BE USED FOR THEIR SPECIFIC PURPOSE. SEWER CANNOT BE USED FOR WATER. WATER CANNOT BE USED FOR SEWER. THERE ARE

SUBSTANTIAL AMOLTNTS THAT ARE GOING AND THOSE NON-GENERAL FUND

ACCOUNTS THAT CAN BE USED FOR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT IS THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD.

ANY COUNCILMEMBER QUESTIONS ON BUILDING OR CAN WE MOVE ON?

LET'S MOVE ON IF WE COULD PICK CITY MANAGER I THINK IT IS ENGTNEERING.

ENGINEERING TT{E MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE I GUESS THERE ARE A COUPLE HERE.

I ruST WANTED TO KNOW FOR PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC THAT IN THE TRANSMITTAL LETTER THAT THERE ARE EXPENSES. ASSOCIATED WITH THE CANOPY PROJECT. IT LOOKS TO BE 5O,OOO TO COVER THE COST OF THE INSPECTIONS NEEDED FOR THE PROJECT. AND 5O,OOO TO ADDRESS A ADDITIONAL BUILDTNG RELATED EXPENSES. IS THAT CORRECT?
I BELIEVE SO.

BASICALLY BY CONTRACT COVERS 20 HOURS A WEEK RIGHT NOW. TO HANDLE THE CANOPY PROJECT WE BUMPED THAT UP TO BASICALLY 27 HOURS A WEEK. TO HANDLE THAT. YES THERE WILL BE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOTINT OF WORK FOR CIry STAFF ON THAT PROJECT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COLINCILMEMBER TRANOs

WE ARE COMBINING PROPOSE TO COMBINE ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS. WE TALK ABOUT EFFICIENCIES. WE WILL GET SOME HERE WE MAKE THAT MERGER. SO THAT IS THE PRIMARY SAVINGS RELATED TO THAT.

SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR PARTICULAR WILL BE I THINK WE WILL SEE THE BENEFITS. THE FIRST HALF OF TFM YEAR THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN GHD CONTRACT FOR UNAUDIBLE] SERVICES. TFIEN WE HAVE

MORE MODEST REDUCTION FOR SHIFTING THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CONTRACT TO POLICE. REDUCING THAT CONTRACT AND THEN WE ADDED $5OOO SO WE COULD HAVE OUR ENGINEERING CONSULTANT HELP US WITH TTIE SOLID WASTE PROCUREMENT. WHICH I THINK WE WILL NEED TO DO THAT.

QUESTIONS FROM COLINCILMEMBERS ON THIS SLIDE?
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THIS PLAN OR SUGGESTION. OBVIOUSLY

AT LEAST IN MY MIND A CITY ENGINEER CAUSED A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN PUBLIC WORKS TYPE INDIVIDUAL. SO, I'M CURIOUS WITH THE STRUCTURE OF TI{E DEPARTMENT BE -- WOULD THERE BE AN ASSISTANT TO HELP WITH THE NON-I GUESS -- I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INDIVIDUAL.

IT WOULD SEEM LIKE WE WOULD HAVE THE CITY ENGINEERING DOING ALL TI{E WORK AND THEY PROBABLY WOULD IINAUDIBLE]. CAN ONE PERSON

FILL THE ROLE OF TWO IS MY QUESTION WITHOUT ASSISTANT OR SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE? ALSO TO SAY WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FRANCE FROM ouR ASSOCIATION WITH OUR CONSULTANT -- TONY [INAUDIBLE]. WE DID NOT GET TI{AT LEVEL OF GRANT PRIOR TO THE STRUCTURE WE HAVE NOW.

ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO GET TI{E LEVEL OF

ROAD GRANTS WE'VE BEEN GETTING THROUGH HAVING A SPECIALIZED CONSULTANT?
I WILL SPEAK BRIEFLY TO THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF TONY IS ONLINE.

COMBINING HAVING PUBLIC WORKS IN THE CITY ENGINEER TOGETHER IS A COMMON MODEL. WHEN YOU CAN GET SOMETHING THAT QUALIFIES FOR BOTH ROLLS WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. ON THAT IS NOT THE CASE

WE HAVE TO FIND A CONTRACTOR SOME OTHER WAY TO ADDRESS THE ENGINEERING THE OFFICIAL ENGINEERING ROLLS OF THE CITY. AND THEN IF MARY OR TONY WANTS TO SPEAK TO THE GRANT WORK IN PARTICULAR. I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE GRANT. I KNOW TONY HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THOSE GRANTS. FOR THE STREETS ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE AS ETA. AND ALL OF THAT. IT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED THAT A CITY ENGINEER WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS WELL. THIS IS HER RECOMMENDATION AS WELL. WE DISCUSSED IT AT LENGTH ABOUT THAT. HER CALL IS TO GO

AFIEAD AND RECRUIT FOR PUBLIC WORKS SO IT ENGINEER WHICH IS LOT OF THE CITIES DO NOW. SMALLER CITIES SUCH AS OURS. THE REDUCTIONS

WOULD REALLY BE BASED UPON THE FACT WE WOULD HAVE THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE THAT CONTRACT ANYMORE WITH GHD FOR OUTSIDE.

ONCE WE DO A RECRUITMENT WE ARE RT]NNING INTO ISSUES NOW WITH PLANNING DIRECTOR RECRUITMENTS. DEPENDING UPON WHETHER OR NOT

WE HAVE IF WE HAVE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES -- IT COULD BE THAT IT

WOULD BE A PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR THAT COULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF ENGINEERING BACKGROTIND BUT NOT HAVE AN ENGINEER STAMP. WE CAN LOOK AT IT WOULD BE A REDUCED COST AT THAT POINT. THEN WE WOULD

ADD ADDITIONAL FUNDING BACK AND FOR A SMALL AMOLTNT OF FLTNDING FOR JUST THE USE OF A STAMP FOR CIVL ENGINEERS. I THINK IT WILL WORK PERSONALLY. IT IS OUR HOPE TO BRING THIS ITEM ON THE AUGUST 6 MEETING. FOR DISCUSSION. TONY IS IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS AS WELL. zuGHT NOW IT IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER IS WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING IN THE BUDGET.

BECAUSE THAT IS MY QUESTION. IT REALLY IS A PLACEHOLDER ITEM. A FULL DISCUSSION WILL BE HAT DOWN THE ROAD.

THIS IS A PLACEHOLDER. WE WILL BRING IT BACK AT TTM AUGUST 6

MEETTNG TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND SALARY COSTS. THIS IS A PLACEHOLDER BASED UPON THOSE FURTHER ACTIONS.

WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU GUYS KNOW IF IT IS A PLACEHOLDER COMING BACK FOR FURTHER ACTION. IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING FROM THIS BUDGET

WHAT WE ARE DECIDING TONIGHT AND WHAT WE ARE PUTTING IN AS A PLACEHOLDER THAT WOULD COME BACK FOR A POLICY DISCUSSION. TO ME ANYWAY. IF YOU COULD CLARIFY THAT THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS WE ARE ASKING ABOUT THAT ARE ruST PLACEHOLDERS.

THAT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL WHEN WE COME BACK AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. AS WE ARE GOING TO EACH OF THE ITEMS TO HAVE STAFF BE ABLE TO POINT THAT OUT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ENGINEERING FROM COUNCILMEMBERS?
MY QUESTION IS REALLY THIS IS A BIG SAVINGS. MY QUESTION IS WHAT

REDUCTION IN SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC IF ANY WILL WE SEE IN THIS -- AND THESE CHANGES? IS IT SIMPLY SAVINGS FROM CONSOLIDATING 2 POSITIONS OR ARE WE LOSING SERVICES TO TTM PUBLIC?
WE ARE LOSING SERVICES. I'M GOING TO ASK TONY TO ELABORATE.

THERE WILL BE A REDUCTION IN SERVICES. WHAT WAS BEING USED TO. AND

SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT WHEN THE PUBLIC CALLS ENGINEERING TYPICALLY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT RESPONSE. WHETHER OR NOT IT IS

RELATED TO A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY OR EVEN RESPONDING IF THAT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. IN SOME CASES. AND SO AND THAT IS NOT TYPICAL BY TTM WAY. HISTORICALLY THAT IS WHAT SEBASTOPOL IS USED TO. HOWEVER

IN MOST OF THE CITIES I'VE DEALT WITH IF IT IS A PRIVATE MATTER IT IS A PRIVATE MATTER. IT IS NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THAT IS PROBABLY TTM BIGGESTDIFFERENCE.

SOMETIMES IT TAKES ACTUALLY HAVING TO GO TO THE PROPERTY TO ruST LET TFIEM KNOW WHAT IS NEEDED. WE WON'T DO A DESIGN FOR THEM. AT LEAST WE WILL GIVE TFIEM SOME GUIDANCE. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DON'T THINK I SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ENGINEERING. WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AREA WHICH IS FIRE.

SPEAKING OF PLACEHOLDERS, ON THE FIRE BUDGET, SO WE HAVE NOT FILLING THE FIRE CHIEF POSITION SAVE US MONEY. WE ARE SAVING ON UNAUDTBLEI IT IS A TRADE-OFF. WE DO HAVE SOME $95,000 AVAILABLE TO FLIND COSTS FOR FIRE CONSOLIDATION WITH GOLD RICH. TO SOME EXTENT A PLACEHOLDER. WE DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT WE ARE GOING TO NEED ALL OF THOSE. THERE'S A $4O,OOO INCREASE TO EXPAND COVERAGE AND SHIFTING $4O,OOO FROM THE RETENTION EXPENSE ON THE STIPENDS TO ALSO EXPAND COVERAGE. I LOOK AT THOSE AS PLACEHOLDERS AS WELL.

WITH THE GOAL OF EXPANDING COVERAGE. IT GIVES US SOME FLINDING AVAILABLE TO DO THAT. THERE IS ALSO THE $1OO,OOO FOR USES TO BE DETERMINED. THAT IS ALSO A PLACEHOLDER ITEM. THIS IS A BUDGET THAT THE BOTTOM POINT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WE NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH CONSOLIDATION COMING. AS WE MAKE A TRANSITION WE ARE NOT WAITING LTNTIL CONSOLIDATION HAPPENS TO START TTM, PROCESS.

AND ALSO WE HAVE EXPECTS ITS HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN REVENUE FOR MEASURE H FOR THIS YEAR. FISCAL YEAR. WE BUDGET 3OO,OOO OF TFIAT -- INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. ABOUT 3OO,OOO MORE WE HAVE NOT ALLOCATED AT THIS POINT. IF THERE IS A BUDGET IN HERE THAT NEEDS IN MY OPINION -- WE NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH. I THINK THE CHIEF OF GOLD RICH CONCURS WITH THIS. TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE TALKED TO THE FIRE AD HOC. WE NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE.

WITH THESE FUNDS.

LOOKING FOR QUESTIONS FROM ANY COLINCILMEMBERS ON THESE ITEMS. I

THINK WE ARE HEARING A NUMBER OF THESE DOLLAR AMOTINTS ARE REALLY PLACEHOLDERS. TO BE DETERMINED LATER. WOULD IT BE FAIR

WOULD IT BE ACCURATE TO SAY THAT THE CONCEPT FIERE WOULD BE TO

SPECIFICALLY ASK THE STIPEND AMOTINTS THAT ARE MENTIONED THAT THE

IDEA THE REQUEST IS TO SET ASIDE THOSE AMOUNTS BUT NOT ALLOCATE

THEM SPECIFICALLY UNTIL THEY WERE BROUGHT BACK TO THE CITY COLTNCIL FOLLOWING MORE EXAMINATION BY THE AD HOC?
I THINK THAT WOULD HELP CLARIFY. WE HAVE OUR FIRE CHIEF NODDING HIS HEAD SAYING YES. ANY INPUT ON THAT FROM OUR FIRE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEMBERS?
YES, I MEAN WE CAN ANSWER MY QUESTIONS LATER. MAYBE SPEAK TO IT WHEN WE ARE SPEAKING TO IT. RIGHTNOW WE HAD AN ACTIVE MEETTNG BEFORE THIS MEETING STARTED. WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING SCHEDULED AND REPORT OUTS. WE HAVE AS I MENTIONED IN PREVIOUS HAD AN UNAUTHOzuZED PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE TESTED SOME EXTENDED STIPENDS FOR NIGHT COVERAGE. THE PROGRAM HAS STOPPED. WE NEED TO

GET BACK TO WHERE THE AD HOC ALONG WITH OUR PARTNERS CAN COME

UP WITH OUR NEXT REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A SOLID RECOMMENDATION. WE ARE JUST NOT THERE YET.

THESE ARE REALLY PLACEHOLDERS.

AND TF{EN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT OF PLACEHOLDERS WE WILL COME BACK TO

TFIE FULL CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE FULL RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING.

THAT IS IN REGARD TO THE STIPENDS -- TRANO2
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL COME BACK FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

APPRECIATE OUR FIRE CHIEF AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS. WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON FIRE?
I'M LOOKING AT OUR REMAINING TOPICS TO RLTN THROUGH. I SEE POLICE.

PUBLIC WORKS. A SUBCATEGORY THAT INCLUDES SENIOR CENTER COMMUNITY CENTER. THAT IS REALLY PART OF PUBLIC WORKS. AND THEN NON-DEPARTMENTAL. MY QUESTION TO THE CITY COLTNCIL IS IS EVERYONE

HERE COMFORTABLE MOVING THROUGH THE REMAINING POLICE AND PUBLIC WORKS ITEMS OR IS THERE ANYONE WHO NEEDS TO TAKE A QUICK -.

SO I'M SEEING COUNCILMEMBERS SAYING THEY NEED A QUICK BREAK. MAY BE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. OKAY. LET'S DO A QUICK FIVE MINUTE BREAK. WE

WILL COME BACK AND WE ARE GOING TO MUSCLE THROUGH THESE REMAINING ITEMS FOR THE BUDGET. THANK YOU.
[CAPTIONERS TRAN SITIONING]

THANK YOU, EVERYONE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, BACK TO THE

BUDGET DISCUSSION, THE PLAN SO EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF IT IS THAT WE

ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE REMAINING DEPARTMENTAL DISCUSSIONS,

POLICE WHICH IS UP ON THE SLIDE, PUBLIC WORKS WHICH INCLUDE TFIE

SENIOR CENTER, THE POOL AND NON-DEPARTMENTAL AND WE WILL TOUCH

BRIEFLY ON THE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS BUT LIKELY HOLD BACK

ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THE ADDITIONAL

RECOMMENDATIONS LTNTIL WE COME BACK FOR FULL DISCUSSION BY THE CITY COUNCIL. TI{E REASON FOR THAT IS WE WANT TO GET, AS SOON AS

POSSIBLE, TO PUBLIC COMMENT, SO WE CAN FIEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BOTH VIA ZOOM AND IN PERSON. AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT WE WILL TAKE A MEAL

BREAK AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AFTER HALF HOUR MEAL BREAK

FOR OUR DISCUSSION ON TFIE BUDGET ITEMS AND HOPEFULLY DIRECTION TO STAFF. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS? NO? STAFF? NO. WE

HAVE TFIE ITEMS APPEAR FROM POLICE, CITY MANAGER, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US A QUICK READ THROUGH?

BASICALLY REDUCING IMPROVEMENTS, POLICE DEPARTMENT FLTNDED BY THAT ENDOWMENT, I WANT TO CALL UP THE 2O,OOO FOR A MOMENT. IT WAS

ACTUALLY SHOWN ON THE SURVEY AS EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND SERVICE

MANAGEMENT AS ONE OF THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES AND I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR US TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND HOW TO IMPROVE.

IT IS A PLACEHOLDER IN THE SENSE OF THAT THERE IS NOTHTNG SPECIFIC

THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE WITH THIS AT THIS POINT BUT WE WOULD LIKE THE FLINDING AVAILABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO BETTER. I MENTIONED

THE WARMING CENTER EARLIER AND THE INCREASE IN FUNDS WITH THE SHIFT IS ALREADY LARGELY USED. I TALKED ABOUT THE REDUCED

CONTRACT FOR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING IN THE MOVED TO THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT AND TIIEN SOME DOLLARS TO INCREASE CAPACITY FOR TELLING. THIS BUDGET PROBABLY HAD THE MOST CONVERSATION AT THE BUDGET COMMITTEE ABOUT FUNDING POSITIONS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.

OKAY, THANK YOU , QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS ON THESE ITEMS?

NOT SEEING ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY FELLOW COUNCILMEMBERS, MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE FIRST ITEM, THE HUNDRED AND $22,000 OF

REDUCTION IN EXPENSES FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,

OH, THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE ENDOWMENT FUND FROM THE POLICE, MY

POINT WAS A THANK YOU TO WHOEVER THE ANONYMOUS DONOR WAS WHO

DONATED THAT MONEY BECAUSE THAT MONEY WOULD BE AN AMOUNT

THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE CITIES, I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT CAME IN LASTYEAR,IS THAT CORRECT?
CORRECT.

WHAT IS THE REMAINING BALANCE OF THE ENDOWMENT AFTER TFIE EXPOSED EXPENDITURE?
OFF MY HEAD I WANT TO SAY 175,OOO OR 18O,OOO OR MAYBE A LITTLE HIG}IER.

WAS AT APPROXIMATELY 45O,OOO?
I WOULD SAY THAT.

EXCELLENT. OTHER THAN THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS. I HEARD A COMMENT THAT THERE WAS

SOME DISAGREEMENT AND I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK TO THE BUDGET

COMMITTEE AND ASK THEM, WHERE THERE PARTICULAR ITEMS THAT

EITHER OF YOU WERE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN, PURGE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON?

CAN I REQUEST THAT I THINK WE SHOULD HOLD COMMENTS LINTIL WE CAN COMMENT FROM THE ENTIRE COUNCIL? THIS IS JUST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT MIGHT FIELP US MAKE A DECISION.

THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, NOT ADVOCATING ?

THE DISAGREEMENT WAS ACTUALLY REGARDING THE SAFE PROGRAM AND

THAT IS IN THE FOLLOW-UP ITEMS, SO, THE ISSUE IS DISCUSSED IN THE

NARRATIVE FOR TFIE BUDGET AND IT IS ABOUT FTINDING ONE POSITION FOR TTM POLICE OFFICER AND ONE DISPATCH POSITION WHICH ARE BUDGETED.

IC, AS IS TFIE SAFE PROGRAM DISCUSSION?
OF THE SAFE PROGRAM IS A FOLLOW-UP PROGRAM AT THE BACK OF THIS.

I LINDERSTAND, GO AHEAD.

YEAH. WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO ADD NEW INFORMATION, THERE WAS A

DISCREPANCY OR A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE FULL AMOTINT FOR THE REQUESTED POSITIONS, THAT IS TI{ERE, IT IS WHETHER WE DO IT FOR THE EXACT POSITIONS OR FOR THE SAFE PROGRAM. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

WAS SENT OUT BY OUR GENERAL MANAGER THAT WAS IN AN EMAIL, JULY I6th, STATING THE FACT THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE AN INCREASE LIKELY

THAT THE COUNTY MAY ACTUALLY FUND SIMILAR TO THE OTHER CITIES IN THE COLINTY'S. THAT WAS THE ONLY NEW INFORMATION I HAD.

LOOKING AT THE TRANSMITTAL LETTER I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET CURRENTLY IS TI{E FOLLOWING AMOLINTS, ONE FOR AN OFFICER AT 121,000, A DISPATCHER FOR 106,000,IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

PART OF THE DISCUSSION BY THE BUDGET COMMITTEE THAT WE MIGHT

COME BACK TO, WAS WHETHER TFIE MONEY WOULD BE BETTER SPENT FOR A SAFE PROGRAM?
CORRECT.

OKAY.

TO CLARIFY THAT IS WHERE WE SPLIT. I SUPPORT KEEPING THE STAFF AND

STEPFIEN WOULD RATHER HAVE THE SAFE PROGRAM AND NOT SUPPORT KEEPING THE STAFF.

LTNDERSTOOD, THAT WILL BE TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION, COTINCILMEMBER McLEWIS?

A CLARIFICATION QUE,STION, UNDER THE REDUCED CONTRACT FOR

TRAFFIC AND ENGINEERING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR ENGINEERING, WHAT EXACTLY DOES TFIAT MEAN? WHAT IS BEING SHIFTED?
I'M GOING TO ASK CHARLIE TO ELABORATE BUT WE HAVE A $23,OOO

CONTRACT FOR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, THE RESPONSIBILITY RESIDES PER

CITY CODE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO REDUCE THE CONTRACT, CUT IT IN HALF AND SHIFT RESPONSIBILITY TO TI{E POLICE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF DETAILS AND ACTUAL WORK.

MY OTHER QUESTION IS, DOES THAT CREATE MORE WORK FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? OR MAYBE WE CAN LTNDERSTAND THAT?

UNDER THE CITIES -- CODE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ACTUALLY ASSIGNED

TO THE POLICE CHIEF, WE ARE GOING BACK TO I GUESS WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST. SO, FOR SOME REASON IT CHANGED TO ENGINEERING, DON'T

KNOW WHEN IT DID THAT, PERHAPS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO OR MAYBE

FOUR YEARS AGO, MARY WOULD PROBABLY KNOW BETTER BUT IT IS GOING TO GO BACK TO TT{E POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE

TRAFFIC ENGINEERING IS THAT TRAFFIC ENGINEER ATTENDS MONTHLY,

ATTACH THE AD HOC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND IN THE PAST THE CITY ENGINEER WAS ACTUALLY RUNNING THAT, THOSE MEETINGS. AND

RESPONDED TO THE PUBLIC AND NOW IT WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE POLICE CHIEF. THE POLICE CHIEF ALWAYS ATTENDED THOSE MEETINGS BUT NOW IS TAKING THE LEAD IN THE ROLE. IT IS SHIFTING BACK IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CODE. IN TERMS OF IS THAT EXTRA WORK? YES, IT IS EXTRA WORK BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO COORDINATE THE MEETING. THEY

DID REDUCE IT FROM BIMONTHLY MEETINGS TO MONTHLY, THAT IS THE OTHER LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT IS GOING DOWN. WHEN PEOPLE HAVE

TRAFFIC SAFETY CONCERNS THEY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING, WHICH IS NOW MONTHLY.

THANK YOU, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS? OKAY, THANK YOU. AND TO CLARIFY, I APOLOGIZE IF THIS HAS

ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED BUT WHAT IS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS FL]NDING FOR THE TWO POLICE POSITIONS, WHAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS FUNDING FOR THE SAFE GRAHAM, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE POLICE BUDGET? SEEING NONE. GOING ON TO THE NEXT ON WHICH I THINK IS PUBLIC WORKS.

A VARIETY OF REDUCTIONS.

CITY MANAGER ? CAN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MIKE?
YES THANK YOU. THIS BUDGET HAS A REDUCTION OF T}IE PUBLIC WORKS

SUPERINTENDENT AS THAT POSITION WOULD GO AWAY WITH THE

CONSOLIDATION OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING WHICH WE WILL CONSIDER NEXT MONTH. AS A PART OF THE WATER AND SEWER RATES

STUDY WE SHIFTED FLTNDING FOR LABOR POSITION TO BETTER MAINTAIN

THOSE SYSTEMS AND THERE ARE A VARIETY OF REDUCTIONS FOR

REIMBURSEMENTS, FROM GRANTS, FROM THE CITY BUILDING RESERVE FUND

FOR PROJECTS, REDUCING MAINTENANCE RELATED CONTRACTS, SERVICES AND SUPPLIES. AND SHIFTING THE COUNTY COMMLINITY SERVICE CONTRACT

FROM PARK VILLAGE TO PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE THAT IS KIND OF A

PROPERTY MANAGEMENT CONTRACT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE AND THAT FITS TFIE DEPARTMENT'S ROLE. AND THERE ARE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT

THE BUDGET COMMITTEE REQUESTED WE ADD IN AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC WORKS, THIS PART OF IT. IF YOU ARE OKAY I WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PART.

LET'S WORK THROUGH THE ITEMS THAT ARE BEFORE US HERE. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COLINCILMEMBERS ON THESE ITEMS? COLTNCILMEMBER HINTON?

A QUESTION ON THESE REFLECTIVE SIGN POLES, A REQUEST TO THE

BUDGET COMMITTEE, HOW MANY SIGN POLES WITH THAT GET US FOR $15,000?
DANTE, WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION?

THIS IS IN REACTION TO A SECTION WE SET UP AROUND -- SCHOOL WHICH

HAD A HIGH LEVEL OF APPRECIATION THAT WE ARE INCREASING THE SAFETY ON THAT. THE $15,OOO AS A PLACEHOLDER TO BUY HARDWARE AND REFLECTIVE, I THINK ONE SET IS $80 AND QUITE A FEW. BUT THERE HAS AN

INTEREST AND CONVERSATION ABOUT UTILIZING THEM IN LOCATIONS LIKE

THE TURN ARROWS ON BODEGA AVENUE TO INCREASE THE FEELTNG OF

SLOWING DOWN TRAFFIC, AS WELL AS ENHANCING ANY PEDESTRIAN

CROSSINGS THAT ARE NOT SIGNALS FIRST AND THEN FOCUSING ON OTHER AREAS OF ATTENTION THAT MIGHT NEED PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENTS.

MAY ASK ANOTHER QUESTION WHILE YOU ARE UP? SO, WE HAVE 64,000 IN REDUCTION AND MAINTENANCE-RELATED CONTRACTS AND $56,000 IN

REDUCTION IN MAINTENANCE SERVICES AND SUPPLIES, CAN YOU SPECIFY WHAT WOULD BE REDUCED? AND WTMRE THE LOCATIONS WOULD BE THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE MAINTENANCE?
IN GENERAL, PUBLIC WORKS IS THE NUTS AND BOLTS, LITERALLY . THERE

HAVE BEEN REDUCTIONS IN EVERY AREA POSSIBLE BUT I WOULD SAY SOME SIGNIFICANT LARGENUMBERS,I HAD PREVIOUSLY LIKE A $26,000 CONTRACT

TO DO THERMOPLASTIC, WHICH IS THE LONG-TERM STREET MARKINGS, THAT WAS REMOVED ENTIRELY. WE ARE GOING TO DO PAINT IN-HOUSE WITH THAT. THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS IN TREE WORK THAT WERE SCHEDULED. SUPPLIES AND SERVICES HAVE BEEN REDUCED, ROCK, GRAVEL, ASPHALT, CONCRETE, WOOD, EVERYTHING.

MOSTLY AFFECTTNG PARKS? OR WHAT AREAS ARE MOSTLY AFFECTED?

I LOOKED AT IT GLOBALLY AND TRY TO AFFECT EACH AREA KIND OF EQUALLY, IT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE MAINTENANCE IN TOWN. SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE ADDITIONALLY ADDED BY THE BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE I WILL

BECAUSE THEY ARE ADDITIONS AND THEY LEND TO A BROADER SCOPE OF SOME IDENTIFIED NEEDS. THE POND AT LIBBY PARK, THE FENCING WAS TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY AND SOME PLANNING REVIEW ON IT. WE ARE

STILL IN THE PROCESS OF COMING UP WITH A PLAN TO REPLACE THAT AND I

AM EVEN LOOKING INTO LOCAL SERVICE GROUPS TO WORK WITH US ON

PROVIDING LABOR, IF WE CAN PROVIDE THE MATERIALS AND WORK

CLOSELY WITH SOME OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN A GREAT ASSET TO THE CITY.

I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION FOR YOU, DANTE, I LOOKED AT TFIE

BUDGET COMMITTEE REQUEST AND I THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE REDUCED FI.INDS FOR MAINTENANCE AND MAINTENANCE RELATED

CONTRACTS AND SERVICES AND SUPPLIES, AND THINK ABOUT YOUR ANSWER TO COLTNCILMEMBER HINTON'S QUESTION ruST NOW. IF THOSE

BUDGET COMMITTEE REQUEST WERE NOT FILLED, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE BALANCE WOULD BE? SO, YOU HAVE SOME BUDGET COMMITTEE REQUEST

WHICH CLEARLY COULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, THE REFLECTIVE

SIGNPOST, REPLACING THE LANDSCAPING AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE

LIBBY PARK FENCING, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION AS A SUPERINTENDENT

ABOUT IF WE HAVE LIMITED FLINDS, SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT USTNG THE 40 OR $55,OOO IN FLINDS FOR THOSE PROJECTS? THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED AS REQUEST OR WHAT THEY MOST BENEFIT T}IE COMMLTNITY TO BE USED IN OTHER WAYS? TO SUPPLEMENT THE AMOUNTS THAT WE HAVE ELIMINATED.

I WLL SAY THE ITEMS THAT HAVE LISTED HAVE BEEN A FOCAL POINT AND A VOICE MARKING ENTITY FOR SOME TIME NOW. THE FENCE AT LIBBY POND

WAS BROUGHT UP YEARS AGO IT WAS ACCOMMODATED IN A BUDGET TO

REPLACE IT WITH A METAL FENCE WHICH WAS THEN YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED

BECAUSE OF THE AESTHETIC REASONS,IT IS MORE PRACTICAL THEN ATTRACTIVE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM AND I KNOW THAT IS THE FOCUS.

NOT TO DIGRESS BUT YOU KNOW, I DO REALIZETHAT OUR CURRENT

MAINTENANCE IS LESS THAN WHAT WE WISH WE COULD ACCOMPLISH AND IN PREVIOUS BLIDGET WE HAVE CUT MANY MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS. I DO REALIZE T}IAT SEVERAL OF OUR PUBLIC SPACES ARE LESS THAN IDEAL, IDEALLY MAINTAINED. WE, AS A CITY MANAGER, MENTIONED WE ARE VERY

THINLY STAFFED ORGANIZATION AND PUBLIC WORKS IS QUITE OFTEN REACTIONARY RATHER THAN HAVING TIIE ABILITY TO BE PROACTIVE. LIKE

WHEN WE HAVE A STAIN ON OUR STREET AND ONE OF OUR

COLINCILMEMBERS MENTIONS TO OUR STAFF THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY

ADDRESS THAT, WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE THINGS AND

THAT IS LIKE THE MONDAY MORNTNG QUARTERBACK, WE ARE VERY REACTIONARY ON ITEMS.

OKAY. YEAH. LIMITED FLINDS AND YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE TO SPEND THEM.

I THINK THE COMMLINITY HAS VOICED INTEREST IN THOSE SPECIAL ITEMS,

SO,I DON'T THINK IT WAS DRIVEN BY THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AS THEIR

SPECIAL ITEMS,I THINK IT WAS VOICES FROM THE COMMLINITY THAT BROUGHT THOSE FORWARD.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

I WANTED TO SAY, HAVEN'T WE ALSO HAD REQUEST FROM THE

COMMUNITY, I HAVE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT IVES PARK IN THE FENCE THERE AS WELL. THAT IS EQUALLY AS --

I LINDERSTAND THERE IS A GREATER PLAN THAT LIVES IN TTM PLANNING

DEPARTMENT THAT IS CRIPPLED MY ABILITY TO MAKE REPAIRS BECAUSE

WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD BUT THE PLAN HAS

DRUG OUT FOR SO LONG, I PRETTY MUCH COULD'VE REPLACED THE FENCE

AND IT COULD'VE HAD A USABLE LIFESPAN BEFORE THIS PLAN GETS THEM FOMENTED.

I'M ruST POINTING OUT WE HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST.

AS YOU KNOW I I{AVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS I WISH WE COULD MAINTAIN BETTER . AND FOR MY STAFF

TO TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THEIR WORK IT IS TOUGH WHEN WE SPEND A LOT

OF TIME PICKING UP GARBAGE AND VANDALISM AND OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE NOT VERY EXCITING.

OKAY, I THINK OUR QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS?

I HAVE A COMMENT, THAT WAS ME, THERE WAS AN OUTLINE OF A PERSON THAT LOOKED LIKE THEY HAD DIED THERE. I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO CLEAN UP AND YES, YOUR STAFF WAS VERY SWEET WHEN I POINTED IT OUT.

THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THE RED PAINT SPILL

AND THEN SOMEBODY, AMUSINGLY DREW A LITTLE SHOCK --
OKAY, FOLKS I'M GOING TO BRING US BACK ON TOPIC.

SENT YOU APPEAR AND YOU MENTIONED THAT A SPIRITED STAFF WANTING

TO DO GOOD BUT THEY SPEND A LOT OF TIME I THINK YOU SAID ON VANDALISM AND PICKING UP TRASH. SO, THAT WILL FEED, AT LEAST FOR ME

AND TWO OTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND THE

QUESTION I HAVE IS, DO YOU NOW, IS THERE AN UPTAKE AND WHY DO YOU

FEEL LIKE THERE IS AN UPTICK AND HAVING YOUR STAFF TO ADDRESSING VANDALISM PICKING UP TRASH? DO YOU SEE ANY CORRELATION? OR ARE YOU NOT WANTING TO MAKE A CORRELATION?
IS THE STRUGGLE IN EVERY CITY, IT IS NOT JUST SEBASTOPOL. SEBASTOPOL IS NOT SINGLED OUT IN ITS PROBLEM. THERE ARE ISSUES THAT GO ALONG

WITH SOME HOMELESSNESS, DEBRIS, THERE ARE SOME LABOR-INTENSIVE

DUTIES THAT PUBLIC WORKS TAKES ON AND IN GREAT COLLABORATION

WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT I MIGHT ADD ON, WE WORK TOGETHER VERY MUCH ON THIS. THE ENCAMPMENTS IN THE LAGUNA, ILLEGAL DUMPING,

ANYTHING FROM A BATTERY LEFT ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET TO A

HOMEMADE TOILET ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET,I MEAN IT CAN BE VERY

DEGRADING AND NOT VERY GLAMOROUS WORK THAT I ASKED MY STAFF TO DO.

OKAY.

I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.

GO AHEAD.

IF I RECALL FROM A PREVIOUS RESOLUTION A LONG TIME AGO, HE SAID WE SPEND ABOUT 4O,OOO A YEAR DEALING WITH GRAFFITI, IS THAT STILL,IS

THAT --

THAT WAS A DOLLAR NUMBER AND THE NUMBER WE WERE ABLE TO

GATTIER BASED ON INFORMATION WE WERE TRACKTNG VERY CLOSELY ON

TFIE MOORE STREET ISSUES IN THE PAST AND AS WELL AS DURING THE

COVID TIME PERIOD WE PROVIDED A LOT OF PORT-A-POTTIES AND OTHER

ACCESS, DRTNKING FOUNTAINS, HAND WASH STATIONS, ALL OF THAT WAS FIGURED IN. WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO

TRY TO TRACK INCIDENTS OF VANDALISM, ANY DEBRIS REMOVAL AND

OTHER ITEMS TO TRY TO GET OUR HEADS WRAPPED RLTN EXACTLY HOW MUCH TIME WE ARE SPENDING AND MONEY WE SPEND ON THESE ISSUES.

OKAY, THINK WE WILL KEEP YOU UP THERE FOR THE NEXT DISCUSSION SENSE IT IS ONE WITHIN YOUR DEPARTMENT. BUT REGARDING THE ITEMS THAT ARE UP ON THE SLIDE, I ruST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PRIOR SLIDE, WERE ALL OF THOSE ITEMS INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET? ARE ALL OF THOSE ITEMS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET?
YES.

OKAY, THANK YOU. NOW WE ARE TO THE NEXT SLIDE WHICH IS SENIOR CENTER, COMMLINITY CENTER, AND IVES POOL. NOT A LOT OF ITEMS HERE

BUT SENIOR CENTER AND SEE THE REDUCTION WITH ELIMINATION OF TFIE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THE SENIOR CENTER,38,25O, COMEDIC CULTURAL CENTERHAS A $76,600 REDUCTION TN SUPPORT FOR GENERAL OPERATION WITH THE REMAINING 5S,3OO INTENDED TO PROVIDE SIX MONTHS OF SUPPORT DURTNG THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD. AND THEN IVES POOL, NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. AND THEN WE SEE THE NOTATION THAT THE PUBLIC

WORKS LABOR IS BEING SWITCHED TO WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS, SO IT

WIL NOT BE PROVIDING LANDSCAPING SUPPORT, I ASSUME, FOR SENIOR CENTER COMMUNITY CULTURAL CENTER OR IVES POOL, IS THAT CORRECT? MY LAST STATEMENT, DANTE?

THERE IS MORE THAN THAT LABOR POSITION ALLOCATED TO

MAINTENANCE OF THOSE FACILITIES AND IN GENERAL THE STAFF TIME OF I

BELIEVE, FOUR POSITIONS THAT HAVE AN ALLOCATION HAVE BEEN REDUCED. SO, SOME MAINTENANCE WORK, THE BIGGEST SCALE AS TFIE LABOR POSITION FOR LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE AND T}IAT WILL BE REDUCED.

I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, BUT COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS?

IF YOU'RE REDUCING STAFF TIME TO THESE FACILITIES, ARE WE RELYING

AND COMMLINICATING WITH EACH OF THE NONPROFITS THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE ITEMS? FOR THIS MAINTENANCE NOW? I AM JUST WONDERING, FOLLOWING THE DISREPAIR.

YES. WHETMR IT IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT I THINK I NEED TO SAY THAT I

APPLAUD ALL THOSE ORGANIZATIONS FOR THE AMOLINT THAT THEY DO

AND THE TEAMWORK THEY SHOWED THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE HE REALLY COULD NOT DO IT WITHOUT THEM.

YOU AND I WORKS TOGETHER AT THE COMMLINIry CENTER, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.

AS WELL AS OTHER COLINCILMEMBERS.

YES.

I DID TAKE A HISTORICAL LOOK AT HOW MUCH TIME AND HOW MUCH ARE WE ACTUALLY SPENDING AND IT GOES IN FLUX. I WILL USE THE SENIOR CENTER FOR EXAMPLE. WE DON'T SPEND VERY MUCH TIME THERE BECAUSE

TFIEY ARE SELF-SUFFICIENT, THEY HAVE VOLTINTEERS THAT DO THE GARDENING, THEY MAINTAIN ALL OF THE INSIDE, WE ruST DO MAJOR

MECHANICAL THERE AND PROVIDE SERVICES WHEN NEEDED, VERY MINIMAL, UP UNTIL THIS YEAR, ONE OF OUR TREES FELL ON THE BUILDING.

IT IS A MOVING TARGET. HISTORICALLY WE TRACK THIS. LUCKILY, WE HAD

TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOLINT FOR TTM TREE REPAIR BUT MUCH OF IT WAS COVERED BY OUR INSURANCE. TO THAT ANSWER QUESTION?

THE PURPOSE OF THE QUESTION WAS TO LINDERSTAND THE DECISIONS ARE MAKING AND THE IMPACT THEY WILL HAVE AND FOR US TO L]NDERSTAND THAT IN THE COMMUNITY.

MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION ON THE SAME TOPIC IS, YOU MENTIONED THERE

IS A VARIETY OF STAFF TIME AMOLINTS THAT ARE BEING SHIFTED AWAY

FROM THE MAINTENANCE AND SERVICES, LANDSCAPING AND OTHERWISE

THAT MIGHT BE BENEFITING THE CITY OWNED FACILITIES, THE SENIOR

SENEY, COMMTINITY CENTER, AND IVES PARK, WHAT IS THE TOTAL VALUE YOU THINK? WHAT IS THE DOLLAR VALUE OF THOSE SERVICES AND STAFF

TIME THAT IS BEING SHIFTED AWAY, THAT CURRENTLY WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO THOSE CITY OWNED ABILITIES? BECAUSE I WAS
UNDERSTANDING IS ONE LABORER BUT YOU ARE SAYING IT IS MORE.

IS PRIMARILY BASED ON LANDSCAPING THAT WE HAVE OTHER TIME

ALLOCATED LIKE MAINTENANCE TO CHECK ON HVAC SYSTEMS BEFORE CALLING A PROFESSIONAL HVAC SERVICE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. TO PUT A DOLLAR VALUE ON THAT I WOULD HAVE TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.

OKAY. BUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT FOR INSTANCE, THERE WILL NOT BE A CITY EMPLOYEE THAT WILL BE CHECKING ON HVAC SYSTEMS? LESS.

OKAY. HAS THERE BEEN COMMTINICATION WITH THOSE THREE NONPROFITS ABOUT THOSE CHANGES?

WE ARE STILL MAINTAINING,I AM STILL MAINTAINING MAINTENANCE

CONTRACTS FOR THE HVAC BECAUSE THAT IS A PART OF OUR CITY LEASE

AGREEMENT BUT WHEN WE GET, A CALL THAT THE THERMOSTAT IS

WORKING, BEFORE WE CALL CONTRACT RESEND SOMEBODY OUT, IT MIGHT

BE THE NEXT DAY, IT MAY BE THE NEXT WEEK, IT MAY NOT BE AT ALL UNTIL WE CAN GET THE CONTRACTOR OUT THERE. IT IS JUGGLING.

ARE WE GOING TO ZERO ON TERMS AND MAINTENANCE AND SERVICES FOR THOSE FACILITIES?
NO, THAT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE.

OKAY, NOT TRYING TO JUDGE IT, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WI{AT THE IMPACT IS ON THE FACILITIES.

IT WILL BE A VISIBLE IMPACT AND THERE WILL BE A DELAY IN SERVICES. IT

WLL BE SIMILAR TO THE HURT THAT IS FELT IN OUR STREETS AND PARKS IN OUR PARKING LOT MAINTENANCE. I TRIED TO EQUITABLY SPREAD THE REDUCTIONS.

GOT IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS ON THESE ITEMS?

THANK YOU, DANTE, FOR PROVIDING US WITH THOSE ANSWERS AND I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE WHICH IS NON-DEPARTMENTAL, I THINK ruST ABOUT SHIFTING AMOLTNTS, CORRECT? NO. OKAY, $I54,OOO SHIFT OF COST FOR CONTRACTS TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS, AND WE ALSO SEE TI{E HLTNDRED 16,525 DOLLAR INCREASE FOR TECHNOLOGY REPLACEMENT. I HAD A QUESTION BUT ANY FOLLOW-UP COMMENTS?
THE SHIFT WE HAVE REFERRED TO THOSE TI{ROUGHOUT DEPARTMENT BY

DEPARTMENT TO PROMOTE ACCOLINTABILITY AND OWNERSHIP,IF YOU WILL, OF THE CONTRACTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES. THAT IS REALLY WHAT THAT IS ABOUT. TTM, 116,000, WE ARE WOEFULLY BEHIND ON OUR TECHNOLOGY AND PLACES. I THINK NINE YEARS OLD IS OUR LONGEST

LASTING COMPUTER THAT WE HAVE AND WE REALLY NEED TO REPLACE TI{EM. WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO EVEN MORE THAN WE ARE PROPOSING IN T}IE BUDGET, TO BE HONEST BUT AT LEAST TWO PATCH OF TFIE BIGGEST

HOLES WE NEED TO MAKE THESE INVESTMENTS IN OUR EQUIPMENT AND CYBERSECURITY.

GOT IT, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COLINCILMEMBERS ON EITHER ITEMS? OKAY.

OUR REMAINING ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BY OUR CITY MANAGER WOULD COME LINDER TI{E CATEGORY OF ADDITIONAL
RECOMMENDATIONS, ADDITIONAL TOPICS. MY SUGGESTION, IF IT IS

ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY COUNCIL HERE, WE NOW GO OUT TO PUBLIC

COMMENTS ON THE BUDGET, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARTNG A LOT FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT AND TFIEN ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WE

MIGHT HAVE ON THE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS WE HOLD BACK UNTIL AFTER OUR MEAL PERIOD, ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? OKAY. TI{E

ONLY OTHER COMMENT I WOULD HAVE IS THAT WE DO HAVE STAFF

MEMBERS, A QUESTION TO THE CITY MANAGER, IS TFIERE A NEED TO SOLICIT COMMENT OR INPUT AT THIS POINT FROM OUR STAFF MEMBERS?

NOT THAT I KNOW OF BUT IF SOMEBODY FEELS A COMPELLING NEED AND I AM SEEING A LOT OF HEADSHAKING, NO.

SEEING NO OBJECTION, WE GOT TO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE OPEN TI{E PUBLIC HEARING AND GO OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON TFIE PROPOSED BUDGET.

THANKYOU, MAYOR.

THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET. BEFORE I OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC I WANT TO SAY THAT WE DID RECEIVE 34 EMAILS SINCE THE MEETING AND IT IS ALL RELATED TO THE COMMTINITY CENTER. FOR THOSE THAT HAVE SENT THEM IF YOU HAVE NOT

RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM YET I HAVE RECEIVED THEM AND THEY HAVE BEEN FORWARDED. AGAIN, THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON TTM PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL GO TO IN CHAMBERS FIRST. IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS, COME ON UP.

I THINK IT IS CLEAR FROM THE SURVEY, OVERWHELMINGLY, NUMBER ONE WAS PROVIDING EFFECTIVE PUBLIC SAFETY INCLUDING 91I EMERGENCY,

MEDICAL, POLICE, FIRE RESPONSE, ACCORDING TO THESE NUMBERS IT IS

MANAGING CITY FINANCES THE SECOND BUT THERE THE CITY'S RESPONSES TO FLOODS, WILDFIRES AND OTHER NATURAL DISASTERS. IT IS CLEAR WE

NEED TO ADEQUATELY FLIND THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS AS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORIry IN HIS BUDGETING. THE ONLY OTHER SERIOUS COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS THE EARLY DISCUSSION ABOUT T}IE CLIMATE

ACTION COMMITTEE AND THESE OTHER SORT OF QUASI-CITY

ORGANIZATIONS WHICH I PERSONALLY AND I SAID THIS BEFORE, IT IS GREAT

TFIEY ARE DOING IS BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY. THEY ARE SORT OF A PERSONAL QUEST TO DO

SOMETHING AND THAT IS GREAT BUT GIVEN THE FINANCIAL SITUATION WE

ARE IN AND THIS SURVEY, THEY ARE NOWHERE ON THIS, THE PARKS, THE

YOUTH AND RECREATION PROGRAMS ARE ALL BC VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL AS WE WERE DISCUSSING. I WAS A BIT DISAPPOINTED TO SEE

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND JOB CORRECTION IS BELOW SUPPORTING TFIE LOCAL LIBRARY WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE COL]Nry LIBRARY. BUT JUST

TO ECHO WHAT I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, FIRE, POLICE, THEY HAVE TO BE TI{E ABSOLUTE A1 PRIORITY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, OLTVER. NEXT I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM. ROBERT, MAY YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
I CAN HEAR YOU. I WILL JUMP IN WHEN YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT.

OKAY. THIS IS A IIARD ONE TO }IAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON BUT I

APPLAUD THE MOVEMENT OF CONTRACTS TO DEPARTMENTS THAT SHOULD LOGICALLY BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE, WORK. I THINK THAT IS BRILLIANT.

THE CITY ATTORNEY DIDN'T GET MUCH DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE ARE

NOT MANY NUMBERS THERE BUT IT IS A BIG NUMBER AND I KNOW YOU ARE

IN THE MIDST OF PICKING A NEW CITY ATTORNEY AND A LOT OF THAT IS

PROBABLY UP IN THE AIR BUT I DID NOT WANT TO LET IT PASS WITHOUT SAYING THAT WE ARE SO HAPPY TO SPEND $600-$700,000 FORA CITY

ATTORNEY WHICH IS HIGFIER THAN ANY CITY IN SONOMA COUNTY, I BELIEVE. THAT HAS TO BE FIXED SOMEHOW IT NEEDS MORE DISCUSSION THEN GOES INTO THE BUDGET. THERE WAS NOT ANY DISCUSSION, WHEN

YOU ADD UP ALL OF THESE CAL-PURSE CHARGES THAT SHOW UP AS A

SINGLE LINE, NEW LINE ITEM WITHOUT A HISTORICAL CHARGE AGAINST IT, IT IS $I.2 MILLION, IS THAT NEW MONEY WE ARE PUTTING INTO CAL-PURSE? BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T BEFORE OR IS IT BEING SHIFTED FROM SOMEWHERE?

POLICE, THE SAFE PROGRAM, ON THE SURFACE IT SOUNDS INTERESTTNG AND I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO DIG DEEPER INTO IT. IF YOU DID 24 SEVEN, $I.2 MILLION, THAT IS $14,OOO PER HOMELESS PERSON,IN ESSENCE

THE CITY IS GOING TO TAKE, ON THE RESPONSIBILITY NOW FOR PROVIDING $I4,OOO MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES TO EACH OF THE HOMELESS PEOPLE IN OUR CITY? THAT DOES NOT FEEL RIGHT TO ME. BUT IF YOU CAN GET

MEASURE O MONEY AND THERE WAS AN ARTICLE --
ROBERT, YOU IIAVE 30 SECONDS.

LET'S GRAB SOME A MEASURE O MONEY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE HOMELESS PROBLEM T}IE CITY, CLEARLY FROM A SURVEY SHE DID IT IS THE TOP ONE OR TWO ISSUES WITH PEOPLE TFIAT LIVE HERE. I THINK I CAN

PROBABLY -- TFIE ONLY OTHER COMMENT IS ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS, IT

REALLY FEELS LIKE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED AND NOW YOUR

DOUBLE COUNTING IN PUBLIC WORKS, THE RATEPAYERS ARE NOW DOUBLE

PAYING FOR THAT AND IT IS NOW SHIFTING GENERAL FLIND MONEY TO

RATEPAYERS AND THE BENEFITS --
ROBERT, THAT IS TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU, ROBERT FOR YOU PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL GO TO CHAMBERS,IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC MOM, -. MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU,I'M KENNY WEBSTER A BOARD MEMBER OF THE SEBASTOPOL COMMITTEE CULTURAL CENTER. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT YOUR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR TF{E $58,300 FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO HAVE US

WORK ON A TRANSITION TO SELF-SUFFICIENCY AND I WOULD POINT OUT

THAT WE ARE TAKING A MAJOR HIT, COMPARED TO LAST YEAR'S FUNDING

FROM THE CITY AND WE ARE MAKING PAINFUL CUTS, AS WELL AS SEEKING NEW REVENUE OPPORTLINITIES. SO, PLEASE, SUPPORT YOUR STAFF

RECOMMENDATION AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU ARE DOING AND YOUR SUPPORT. THANKS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I'LL GO OUT TO TFMM.

LINDA, CAN YOU LIMIT YOURSELF, PLEASE? THANK YOU, GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, LINDA.

I AM REALLY SURPRISED, KENNY THAT YOU HAVE TFIE NERVE TO SHOW YOUR FACE HERE, AFTER WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH TI{E CITY AND NOW I TJNDERSTAND YOU ARE IN PRIVATE BUSINESS AND STILL BEING PRO.

BUSINESS AND SCREWING THIS TOWN --

LINDA, CAN YOU FOCUS YOUR COMMENTS ON THE BUDGETARY ISSUES,I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

I AM. I AM TALKING ABOUT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE POSITION WHEREIN AND YOU ARE LARGELY IT, MAYOR RICH, AFTER THE $5.6 MILLION

FIASCO THAT YOU AND DANTE GOT US INTO OVER THE WIRELESS WATER

METERS WHICH ARE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER

MARY DID NOT SUPPORT AND NOW WE ARE IN THIS POSITION OF DEFICIT AND STILL PAYING OFF THAT $5.6 MILLION, FOR THENEXT 13 YEARS, THAT

NOBODY WANTED AND IT IS AGAINST OUR BEST INTEREST AND, YOU KNOW,

YOUR RAIN, MAYOR RICH IS MARKED BY FAILURE --

LINDA, PLEASE, WE ARE TRYING TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE

ALLOCATION OF FLINDS FOR THIS BUDGET, IF YOU COULD LET US KNOW

WHAT YOUR OPINION WOULD BE ON THE APPROPRIATE ALLOCATION ON FL]NDS FOR THIS BUDGET IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.

MY OPINION AND IT IS REALLY I{ELPFUL, TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GOT IN

TFIE PLACE WHERE WE ARE, FINANCIALLY AND OTHERWISE AND IT IS LARGELY BECAUSE OF YOU AND THE SWAYING OF POLICYMAKING THAT -.

YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS, LINDA.

IRRESPONSIBLE, MARKED BY ABJECT FAILURE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY

AND REFUSAL TO LISTEN TO A LOT OF VERY, TALENTED, EXPERT PUBLIC,

YOU JUST DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO KEEP TRYING TO TALK TO YOU AND YOU TRY TO SILENCE US EVERY STEP OF TI{E WAY, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE

EXPERTISE AND THEIR OFFERING TO YOU FOR FREE AND THEN SO I -- LINDA, THAT IS TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU, LINDA FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS,IF TI{ERE IS AN\'BODY IN CHAMBERS?
HELLO. I SUPPORT RAISING TAXES BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LOOSE SERVICES. I LTNDERSTAND POLICE HAVE REPORTED THAT APPROXIMATELY

HALF OF THEIR TIME IN CALLS ARE RELATED TO HOMELESS PEOPLE AND I

KNOW THERE BEEN THOUSANDS OF CRIMES COMMITTED BY HOMELESS PEOPLE IN SEBASTOPOL. WAS A GIGANTIC WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY,

POLICE SHOULDNOT BE INVOLVED IN HOMELESS SERVICES BECAUSE YOU

CANNOT ARREST PEOPLE OUT OF HOMELESSNESS AND THE ONLY PLACE

HOMELESS PEOPLE CAN GO FROM BEING ARRESTED IS JAIL WHICH COSTS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PERNIGHT. PLEASE BE DILIGENT

ABOUT MONITORING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE APPARENTLY WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING THAT. PLEASE INVEST IN THE SAFE PROGRAM. I AM

ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE REDUCTION PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET

BECAUSE IT REALLY SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO INVEST IN THAT, WE DON'T DO TREE MAINTENANCE IT DOES CAUSE EXPENSIVE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU.

TI{ANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. KYLE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
YES, I CAN.

THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

SO, WATCHING THE CITY OVER THE YEARS I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE, THIS IS BASICALLY ANOTHER CARRYOVER BUDGET. THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE BUDGET OF THIS YEAR AND THE PREVIOUS YEAR, ruST LOOKING AT TOTAL EXPENDITURE FROM YEAR-TO-YEAR. MEANWHILE

MASSIVE, MASSIVE MOVEMENT IN TERMS OF REVENUE GENERATION, MOSTLY FOR BACKFILLING PREVIOUS YEARS OF MISSED MANAGE BUDGETS.

IN ORDER FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD, SUSTAINABLY, IT IS GOING TO BE

REALLY IMPORTANT THAT OUR CITY ACTUALLY FOCUS ON WAYS IN REDUCING ITS BUDGET, YEAR-TO-YEAR. THIS IS GOING TO NEED A

SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF AUDITING IN OUR FINANCIAL PROCESSES THROUGHOUT TFIE YEAR. WE HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE TIMES WHERE AS A

RESULT OF FAILURE TO MAINTAIN WE ENDED UP WITH REPLACE, THAT WILL

CONTINUE LINLESS TFIE CITY DOES ITS DUE DILIGENCE TO GET ITSELF IN A

SUSTAINABLE MANNER, WITH THE REVENUE SOURCES THAT IT HAS AND MAKE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS IN ITS EXPENDITURES YEAR-OVER-YEAR.

THANK YOU, KYLE, FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. IF THERE IS ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT. AARON?
YES. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT SCI YOU TO SUPPORT TFM

RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE A CLASS IN COMP STUDY BECAUSE IT KIND OF

MAKES SENSE TO SEE HOW WE COMPARE TO SIMILAR AGENCIES AND THE

ONLY ADDITION TO THAT IS THAT IT IS ALSO A MANDATORY SUBJECT AND

WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON BOOKING CONTRACTS LOOKING AT COMPATIBLE AGENCIES AND SO FORTH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, AARON, FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I'LL GO BACK TO ZOOM, SKIP, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
GOOD AFTERNOON, CAN YOU FIEAR ME?
I CAN HEAR YOU, SKIP. I WILL JUMP IN WHEN YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT.

THANK YOU. AS A PART OF THE MEET YOUR NEIGHBORS PROGRAM IN

SEBASTOPOL , WHERE WE WORK WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, ONE OF THE

QUESTIONS, ONE OF THE THREE PRIMARY QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK IS, WHO KNOWS WHAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO, WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHO IS IN

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER A QUESTION, TAKE CARE

OF A PROBLEM, BE ABLE TO ASSIST IN A WAY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT TURNS OUT TO BE VERY HELPFUL. IN LISTENING TO THE MEETING SO

FAR, I HAVE NOTED FIVE OR SIX PLACES WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE TO ASK THE COMMUNIry ITSELF IF THERE MIGHT NOT BE

PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO TMLP, THAT HAVE PROFESSIONAL

BACKGROUNDS, MAYBE HAVE RETIRED FROM THEIR PROFESSIONAL

BACKGROLIND OR MAY ACTUALLY HAVE ACTIVE SESSIONAL SKILLS AND

RESOURCES FOR THEMSELVES THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ASSIST IN SOME OF

THE CATEGORIES, SOME OF THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED THAT REDUCTIONS NEED TO TAKE LACE. I JUST WANTED THROUGHOUT THE IDEA TI{AT IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHEN ASKED, WHO KNOWS W}IAT? THERE ARE

ALMOST ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO STEP FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT

SOLVING PROBLEMS AND NOT EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT

DOES NOT WORK IN ALL NEIGHBORHOODS BUT IN MANY TIMES, PEOPLE DO

STAND UP AND SAY, I ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT -- SKIP,30 SECONDS.

THANK YOU. AND HOW CAN I HELP? I THROUGHOUT THE IDEA THAT OUR

COMMUNITY HAS A STANDARD OF DOING THAT, AT LEAST AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL. AND THANK YOU, SO MUCH, FOR EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I'LL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS. IF THERE IS ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, SEEING ON, I'LL GO BACK TO ZOOM. JUNE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE?
THIS IS JLINE, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
I CAN HEAR YOU. I WILL JUMP IN WHEN YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT.

GREAT, THANK YOU. I WANTED TO MENTION THE SURVEY RESULTS AND CAUTION FOLKS ABOUT HOW TO INTERPRET THEM. I KNOW THAT A LOT OF

CATEGORIES WERE SORT OF CLUMPED TOGETHER AND ALSO I THINK IT IS

GREAT THAT WE GOT INPUT, IN GENERAL, FROM ONLINE AND THE FORUMS

OUT AT THE TOWN HALL AND THINGS BUT IT IS NOT REALLY KNOWN WHO

FILLED OUT WHAT AND HOW MANY TIMES AND I FEEL LIKE THE PHONE PULLING, AS WELL AS WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO REALLY TRUST:, IT

DOES GIVE THE INDICATION OF MORE OF A QUANTIFIABLE, REACHING OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SEBASTOPOL. AND EVEN THERE THERE IS A LOT OF

CLUMPING OF THINGS, LIKE POLICE, FIRE, SAFETY, TOGETHER, YES, THAT IS A HIGH PRIORITY. SAFETY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A HIGH PRIORITY FOR SEBASTOPOL BUT WHAT SAFETY MEANS HAS AND VERY DIFFERENT. THE

PREVIOUS POLL WE HAD SAFETY NUMBER ONE AND WE ALSO HAD INTEREST

IN CUTTING THE BUDGET WITH THE POLICE BECAUSE PEOPLE INTERPRET

SAFETY IS ALL SORTS OF RINGS AS FAR AS SAFETY, HAVING A SENIOR CENTER THERE, HAVING EMERGENCY SERVICES, VERY IMPORTANT. SOME

PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO FEEL LIKE THEY CAN COME TOGETHER WITH

OTHERS TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE CRISIS AND THEY ARE FEELING VERY UNSAFE ABOUT CLIMATE IMPACTS, HAVING TO EVACUATE DURING FIRES. I

WANT FOLKS TO KNOW THAT TIME AND TIME FOLKS IN SEBASTOPOL HAVE

VOTED FOR SAFETY IN THE BROADER SENSE AND I WOULD ASK THAT WE

KEEP THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE FOR THE POLICE BUT WE DO NOT

ALLOCATED OUT YET FOR STAFF BECAUSE IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE IF F{ALF THE CALLS GO TO DO OUTREACH IN SITUATIONS WHICH DO NOT

REQUIRE POLICE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THE SAFE

PROGRAM AND I WOULD ACTUALLY SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY IN A LOT OF AREAS AND EVERYBODY WINS. THE POLICE CAN FOCUS ON THE WORK TFIEY ARE SET FOR AND WE ARE NOT IN A BUDGET CRISIS. WE CANNOT REALLY OVERSTEP OUR POLICE AS WELL. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK TO

CHAMBERS ,IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT.

HELLO, MY NAME IS TONYA SIERRA AND I'M THE ACTING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEBASTOPOL COMML]NITY CULTURAL CENTER AND I

WANTED TO ECHO WHAT KENNY SAID,IN TERMS OF HOW IIARD WE ARE WORKING TO GET TO A PLACE W}IERE WE CAN BE SELF-SUSTAINING. WE HAD

MADE CUTS THAT HURT AND WE ARE WORKING SUPER HARD, EVERY PERSON

ON TFIE STAFF IS WEARING MULTIPLE HATS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND I KNOW MANY NONPROFIT DO THE SAME. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE,
NORMALLY OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE HAVE HAD 12 SELF PRODUCED CONCERTS WE PUT ON AND WE WANT TO DOUBLE THAT IN 2025 AND WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON MAKING THAT HAPPEN. WE HAVE OVER 20 INSTRUCTORS WHO REGULARLY USE THE SPACE FOR THEIR

CLASSES, WHICH OFFERS MIND AND BODY ENRICHING OPPORTUNITIES FOR

THE COMMLINITY AND WE ARE ALSO A SPACE WHERE PEOPLE HOST THEIR SPECIAL EVENTS IN THE COMMTJNITY. SO, I DO ASK THAT YOU PLEASE

APPROVE THE PROPOSED FLTNDING FOR US, SO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO GET ON OUR FEET AND BE SELF-SUSTAINING, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I'LL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM,MARY , CAN YOU TINMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? P2 YES, HI.

GO AHEAD I WILL JUMP IN WHEN YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT.

IT WON'T TAKE THAT LONG. I JUST WANT TO THINK COUNCILMEMBER

ZOLLMAN AND MAURER FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS BUDGET, BEING

RELATIVELY NEW MEMBERS THEY TOOK ON A REALLY HARD JOB AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK THEM, T}IAT IS IT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU , FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, NEXT I'LL COME BACK TO

CHAMBERS,IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE

A PUBLIC COMMENT, SEEING THEN I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZLINE, PHIL, CAN YOU IjNMUTE YOURSELF?
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
I CAN HEAR YOU. I WLL JUMP IN WHEN YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT, GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE.

GREAT. I AM A UNION REP WITH SCIU AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT TFIE CITY WORKERS WHO HELP THE CITY RUN EVERY DAY. WE PROBABLY REPRESENT

PUBLIC WORKS AND ADMIN STAFF AND SEIU TENT ONE SUPPORTS AND

ENCOURAGES THE COLINCIL TO SUPPORT AND ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO VOTE

ON HALF SENT SALES TAX AND WITHOUT THIS ACTION SERVICES WILL BE

HARMED SENT SALES TAX REVENUES ARE SUBTLY DECREASING THE COST INCREASE. IT IS ALSO NOTED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, IT RELIES ON FLINDS WHICH WILL NOT BE THERE IN THE LONG RUN, SUCH AS BUILDING FEES.

RELYING ON REVENUES THAT WILL NOT CONTINUE DRAWING ON
DIMINISHING FLIND BALANCE IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. SEru WANTS TO

PARTNER WITH THE CITY AND COMMLINITY PARTNERS TO HELP KEEP

SEBASTOPOL A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION ON ALLOWING PUBLIC INPUT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. IF THERE IS ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE BUDGET HEARING. SEEING NOW NEVER GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM.IF THERE'S ANYBODY ON ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE

TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE BUDGET HEARING YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY. SEEING YOU NONE, THE PUBLIC TIEARING IS CLOSED ON THE BUDGET.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARY GURLEY. WE HAVE DONE PUBLIC
COMMENT. THE NEXT STAGE IN THE PROCESS IS TO COME BACK TO THE CITY

COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND COMMENT TN ORDER TO THEN PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON THIS ITEM. AT THIS POINT I WILL TURN TO COLi'NCILMEMBERS AND THE STAFF FOR ANY FINAL COMMENTS, AND BARRING TFIEN WE WILL TAKE A MEAL BREAK FOR HALF AN HOUR. ANY COMMENTS FROM CITY COLTNCILMEMBERS? BEFORE WE TAKE THAT BREAK? NO. OKAY. SO, STAFF, ANY COMMENTS OR INPUT? WE WILL RE-CONVENE AT 7:25 TO FINALIZE OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, WE ARE RECONVENING TONIGHT CITY COTINCIL MEETING AT APPROXIMATELY 7:34, IN ORDER TO CONTTNUE THE BUDGET ITEM. WE HAD AN INITIAL PRESENTATION, INITIAL QUESTIONS OF THE

COUNCIL AND COMMENTS AND INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND NOW WE ARE

BACK AT THE COLINCIL TABLE TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM, MAKE COMMENTS AND HOPEFULLY MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME DIRECTION TO STAFF. MARY

GURLEY, COULD YOU DO US A FAVOR AND REMIND US, IF YOU COULD, WHAT

THE SPECIFIC ACTION IS THAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO TAKE, THERE WERE

A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ITEMS AND I THINK IT WOULD HELP TO BE REMINDED OF THOSE, IF YOU HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF YOU.

THE ACTION TONIGHT IS TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE BUDGET, TO MAKE

ANY CHANGES, RECOMMENDATIONS, ALSO TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL FOR TI{E CREATION OF TI{E COMMITTEE, THE CITY COUNCIL AD HOC COMMITTEE

FOR THE SEBASTOPOL COMMLTNITY CULTURAL CENTER BASED ON THE CIP

MEETING FROM LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO, FOR THE BUILDING

ASSESSMENT AND THEN THE REQUEST IS TO CREATE ANOTHER AD HOC

COMMITTEE TO EXPLORE SPECIALIZED ASSISTANCE FOR THE SAFE PROGRAM . AND SETTING A DATE FOR THE MINI-GOALS WITH T}M BIGGER GOALS TO BE HELD IN JANUARY/FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR. THERE WAS A QUEST FOR

MINI-GOALS BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER, HOPEFULLY DECEMBER,

OCTOBER TIMEFRAME AND THEN TO COME BACK IN OUR MAJOR GOALS FOR PROBABLY A FEBRUARY TIMELINE.

ACTION ON THE BUDGET ITEM , QUESTION OF CREATION OF AN AD HOC FOR

THE COMMLTNITY CENTER, I HAVE A QUESTION HERE FROM VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN.

HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE MINI-GOALSETTING THING, THAT WE WERE

NOT DOING LINTIL AFTER THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, THAT I GET THAT WRONG?

MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU WOULD HAVE SMALL GOALS BETWEEN NOW

AND THE MAJOR BUDGET AND THEN IT IS MY TINDERSTANDING WE WOULD

HAVE, AFTER THE COLINCIL , AFTER A NEW COUNCIL SELECTED WE HAVE A MAJOR GOAL SETTING SESSION IN THE JANUARY/FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME.

CAN YOU ruST REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, OKAY.

AND TO CLARIFY, THE $1O,OOO ITEM IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS NOT FOR

TFIE MINI-GOALSETTING, IT IS FOR THE MAJOR GOAL SETTING AFTER THE ELECTION?
CORRECT. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY COST,

LIKE A STUDY SESSION FOR THE MINI-GOALS, BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER AND TFIE 1O,OOO WAS THE ESTIMATE, COULD BELOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FACILITATOR COMES BACK WITH THE 1O,OOO WOULD BE SET ASIDE FOR THE JANUARY/FEBRUARY GOAL SESSION.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION. WE HAVE DIRECTION ON THE BUDGET, POTENTIAL OF AN OUT OF A AD HOC FOR T}IE COMMUNITY CENTER , AN AD

HOC ON THE SAFE PROGRAM AND SETTING A DATE FOR THE MINI-GOAL SESSION, DOES THAT CAPTURE AT ALL?
CORRECT.

GREAT. SO, WHEN WE TOOK OUR BREAK WE HAD NOT YET GONE THROUGH

TFM, ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS, ITEMS, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE LINLESS ANYBODY OBJECTS TO PULL THAT. I SEE
COUNCILMEMBER MAUER HAS COMMENT, YES?
I HOPE WE CAN ruST GO STRAIGHT THROUGH THE DEPARTMENTS AND FINISH UP WITH THOSE,IS THAT MAKE SENSE?
COLINCILMEMBER HINTON ?

I WOULD RECOMMEND OR LIKE TO SEE'S ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS ADDED AS WE GO THROUGH TFIE DEPARTMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, NUMBER ONE, $3O,OOO CLASSIFICATION COMPARISON STUDY, WHAT DEPARTMENT IS TFIAT IN? WE CAN LOOK AT A DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT. I DON'T FEEL

GOOD LIKE RECOMMENDING THE BUDGET FOR DEPARTMENT AND THEN WE ADD AN ADD-ON LATER, THAT SEEMS SILLY.

I AGREE.

GREAT, THANKYOU, VERY MUCH. THE 3O,OOO FOR CLASSIFICATION COMPENSATION STUDY, WHICH DEPARTMENT DOES THAT COME WITH? ADMINISTRATIVE? OKAY. LET'S ADD THAT TO ADMINISTRATION SERVICES FOR OUR DISCUSSION THERE. STAFFING STUDY? SAME, OKAY ADMIN SERVICES. AND THEN THE COTINCILMEMBER ATTENDANCE AT LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES? CITY COLTNCIL? OKAY. AND THEN THE WARMING CENTER GOES IN POLICE DEPARTMENT? WARMING AND COOLING CENTERS, OKAY. THE FINAL, TRAINING AND CERTIFICATION, WHAT DEPARTMENT WOULD THAT BE IN?

IT WOULD BE IN ADMIN SERVICES BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT WOULD BE

AN ADMIN SERVICES EMPLOYEE, IT DEPENDS, THERE HAS TO BE INTEREST

FROM AN EMPLOYEE TO DO THIS BUT IT MAKES SENSE THERE BECAUSE IT IS RISK MANAGEMENT AND THE HANDLE RISK MANAGEMENT.

ALL RIGHT, ONE ITEM FROM THIS LIST ADDED ONTO TFIE CITY COLINCIL

THAT WOULD BE THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES, WE HAVE ONE ITEM

ADDED TO TTIE POLICE DEPARTMENT WARMING AND COOLING CENTERS AND TI{E REMAINING THREE ITEMS WOULD BE IN ADMIN SERVICES. SO,IF PEOPLE CAN I{ELP ME KEEP TRACK OF THAT, MARY GURLEY, MAYBE YOU COULD?

ON THE REMAINING SLIDES THERE WAS ALSO THE ADDITIONAL TOPICS ON

PLANNING STAFF TIME BUT I THINK THOSE ARE INCORPORATED WITHIN THE SLIDES THEMSELVES. SO, WE CAN PROBABLY JUST DISCUSS THOSE ONLY GET THERE. THAT IS THE MERGER OF THE COMMITTEES, AMONG OTHER ITEMS.

OKAY, I THINK WE ARE READY TO JUST START GOING THROUGH A

DISCUSSION OF THE DEPARTMENT ITEMS,IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYONE? OKAY. BEFORE WE START THAT, COULD YOU PLEASE, CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE PUT UP THE LIST OF CITY COLTNCIL? THE ITEMS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL I THINK FOR RUNNING THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION. MY THOUGHT, I WILL INVITE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ruST MAKE ANY

INITIAL COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE BEFORE WE DO THE DEEP DTVE INTO IT BUT MY THOUGHT IS TO PULL UP CITY COLINCIL AND ruST

GO THROUGH SEQUENTIALLY, WE CAN HAVE SOME COMMENTS OR WE CAN

JUST GO THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN AND THEN COME UP BACK TO THOSE

ITEMS THAT WE FEEL WE NEED MORE DISCUSSION ON, ANYBODY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON A BETTER OR DIFFERENT APPROACH? NO, LET'S TRY THAT.

THEN WE WILL MODIFIED AS WE MOVE ON. HERE'S OUR CITY COUNCIL LIST.

BEFORE GOING INTO THIS, ARE TIIERE ANY COMMENTS IN GENERAL? FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS REGARDING THE BUDGET OR ANY BIGGER ISSUES? NO. STAFF, ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF?

I WANT TO CALL THAT THERE IS A DISAGREEMENT ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, IN CASE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU, THINK WE CAN TRUST TFIAT AND I THINK THEY WILL BE GOOD ADVOCATES. IS THERE ANYTHING ON THIS LIST THAT WOULD BE, WHAT WAS IT, BASICALLY A HOLDING AMOLINT THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED LATER ON? A

PLACEHOLDER, A PLACEHOLDER AMOLINT THAT WE ARE BEING REQUESTED

TO SET ASIDE THAT WILL COME BACK TO THE CITY COLINCIL IN ORDER FOR TI{E CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION. YOU MAY HEAR DIRECTION

FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE IN THAT WAY BUT ANYTHING FROM THE STAFF?

I WANT TO CALL OUT ONE THING SO YOU ARE AWARE OF THE CONTRACT

SUPPORT , THE TERM IS BASIC GOALSETTING OR FROM WHAT I ENVISION WE

WOULD DO FOR THE FIRST MONTH OR TWO OF NEXT YEAR, THAT WILL BE

EXTREMELY BASIC IN TERMS OF CONTRACT SUPPORT, THE TYPICAL RATE FOR SOMETHING LIKE T}IAT IS CLOSER TO 25,OOO AND INCLUDES CONSIDERABLE PREP WORK. CONSIDERABLE FOLLOW-UP DELIVERABLES LIKE A PLAN TO IMPLEMENT AND ALL OF THAT. THIS WILL BE ALMOST A STRAIGHT FACILITATION WITH PREP AND FOLLOW-UP FOR $1O,OOO.

SO, YOU ARE SAYING THAT A FULL GOALSETTING SESSION WOULD PROBABLY MORE REASONABLY COST 2O,OOO?
EASILY AND I'VE SEEN IT UP TO 30, 20 IS EASY.

IS MAYBE AN ITEM THAT IS MINIMALLY FLINDED THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT ADDRESS LATER? AS A REMINDER, WHEN DO WE EXPECT TO HAVE A MIDYOUR BUDGET REVIEW?

WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE DATE, WE MAY MAKE PROJECTIONS AND TRY TO HAVE IT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. ANOTHER OPTION IS TO WAIT FOR THE MID.YOUR NUMBERS AND THEN DO THAT IN THE FIRST MEETING IN

FEBRUARY, SECOND IN JANUARY, ONCE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO GET THE NUMBERS COMPILED.

OKAY, THANK YOU . LOOKING AT THESE ITEMS I'M GOING TO ruST TRY THIS OUT, COLINCILMEMBER MAURER?
ruST A SUGGESTION, MAYBE SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO BE

ARGUABLE AND THEY WILL BE ACCEPTABLE,I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN DISCUSS ONLY THE PARTS THAT ARE ARGUABLE?

LET'S GO THROUGH THIS, LOOKING AT THIS LIST, LET'S MAKE A LIST OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ANYONE ON THE COI.INCIL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS FURTHER. OKAY, LET'S JUST START WITH THE FIRST ITEM. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, COTINCILMEMBER MCLEWIS?

KNOW I'M PROPOSING WHAT MAURER SAYS, WROTE ON THE LINE AND IF

YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT WE WILL BRING DOWN THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DISCUSS.

OKAY. AND IS YOUR SUGGESTION THAT I START WITH COUNCILMEMBER MAURER AS AN EXAMPLE AND JUST ASK HER IF THERE IS ANYTHING? YES.

IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO WITH

COUNCILMEMBER MAURER, DO YOU HAVE AN ITEM HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL LIST TFIAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS FURTHER. OKAY. VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN?
YES, THE 38,OOO HOMELESS SHIFT FROM HOMELESS OUTREACH TO POLICE,

NO WE APPROVE SOMETHING GIVING HER GENERAL MANAGER THE

AUTHORITY TO STAFF ONCE AND I WANT TO STATE THE FACT THAT THIS

GRANT WAS UNDER A CIVIL DEPARTMENT HAD, IT WAS OUR PAST PLANNING DIRECTOR AND TO HAVE IT UNDER LAW ENFORCEMENT IS A CONCERN. I

LINDERSTAND THEY INTERFACE A LOT BUT TO HAVE IT GO FROM HAVING IT CIVILLY MOUNTED TO CzuMINALLY MONITORED MONITORED IS A CONCERN FOR ME AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE DIFFERED IN OUR ROLES THERE.

LET'S SEE. AND THE 4OOO INCREASED AND I KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS RAISED EARLIER AND IT IS IVIY HOPE THAT T}IE RECOMMENDATION COULD

HAVE BEEN MUCH HIGFIER BUT I THINK THAT WE ENDED UP NEGOTIATING IT AND WE THOUGHT THAT 4OOO WAS A GOOD START TO AT LEAST BE A

MEMBER AND IT IS MY ANTICIPATION THAT BASED UPON TFIE

RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT STAFF MIGHT WANT TO GO VOLTINTARILY THAT TFMY GO, MAYBE NOT ON TI{E CITY DIME, I DON'T KNOW THAT IS UP TO

HIM BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD WANT TO BECAUSE I DID NOT COME UP WITH THIS IDEA. THERE WAS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM AN ORGANIZATION THAT

REPRESENTS A PART OF OUR COMMLTNITY AND I WILL STATE WHAT SHE SAID. IF WE KEEP GIVING OUT PROP DONATIONS THEY ARE NOT GOING TO

GET ONE, THEY NEED NOTHING OTHER THAN A RECOGNITION ONCE PER MONTH. THE NEED TO SEE THE CITY ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING

CONCRETELY TOWARDS ADDRESSING GOALS OF HONORTNG AND LIFTING UP MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES. THE IDEA CAME FROM THAT AND I ruST SORT

OF EXPANDED, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO THOSE, IF ANYBODY

ELSE WANTS TO IDENTIFY ONE, I WILL, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO HAVE IT BE PART OF TI{E DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU ,

I'M GOING TO CHECK IN WITH STAFF, EXPECT TTM,RE MAY BE

CHANGES THAT ARE MADE AS WE GO ALONG HERE AND LOOK AT THESE

PARTICULAR ITEMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THAT UP ON THE

SLIDE AND THERE MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT COME INTO DISCUSSION. WHO ON STAFF CAN KEEP TRACK OF THOSE CHANGES? OKAY.

YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOU DO THAT FOR US, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OTHER COMMENTS ON THE CIry COUNCIL AMOUNTS? COLINCILMEMBER HINTON ? SURE, I WILL GO NEXT. I AM FINE WITH THE SHIFT OF THE HOMELESS OUTREACH CONTACT. FRANKLY, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SUPPORTED THIS,

AND I DID SUPPORT THIS AND I BROUGHT IT FORTH TO THE COUNCIL, IT WAS

SUPPOSED TO ALWAYS REPORT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THIS WAS BASICALLY OUR CAHOOTS SUBSTITUTE MODEL. BECAUSE WE COULD NOT AFFORD THAT AT THE TIME. THIS WAS FLINDED BY THE FIFTH DISTRICT

SUPERVISOR MONEY WE RECEIVED WHEN THE HOTEL IN RAILROAD SQUARE

BECAME A PROJECT FOR US AND MYSELF AND LINIT GLASS BROUGHT THIS

FORWARD,I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR HAD BEEN REPORTING TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT HEAD. SECONDLY, I THINK TF{E $4OOO TO FUND MEMBERSHIPS

IS ASPIRATIONAL BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN FLTND ADDITIONAL ORGANIZATIONS. I DID GO DOWN TFM LIST OF

ORGANIZATIONS WE CURRENTLY PAY FOR AND I AM NOT SURE BUT IT

LOOKS LIKE, IF WE CONTINUE TOWARD OUR GOAL OF CONSOLIDATION THAT

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY REDUCE SOME OF US ORGANIZATIONAL

FEES BECAUSE I ASSUME LTNDER AN UMBRELLA WITH GOLD RIDGE THAT

SOME OF THOSE FIRE CHIEF ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE PAY FOR NOW MIGHT NOT NEED TO BE FUNDED BY THE CITY. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THEM THAT I THINK AMOUNT TO ABOUT $8OOO. SO, NOT ONLY DO I NOT WANT TO

SUPPORT AN INCREASE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MAYBE NEXT YEAR,

WE WILL NOT HAVE TO FUND ALL OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE CAN RE-LOOK AT THIS. LASTLY, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE ADD-ON OF TTM $3OOO

TO ATTEND THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCE IN LONG BEACH. I ATTENDED THAT ONCE MYSF,LF AND THE FOCUS OF IT WAS VERY MUCH ON SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, BIG-CITY PROJECTS. I JUST DON'T

FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE MONEY, I DON'T WANT TO PULL FROM SOMETHING

THAT WE REALLY NEED TN OUR CITY TO SEND SOMEBODY TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TO REPRESENT US AT THAT ONE CONFERENCE. I ALSO QUESTION HOW WE DETERMINE WHO SHOULD GO IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE.

THOSE ARE MY WAY INS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS FINE.

ALL RIGHT, COLINCILMEMBER McLEWIS.

I SUPPORT THE SHIP FOR THE HOMELESS OUTREACH COORDINATOR AND IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE TO ME. I'VE COMMLINICATED WITH POLICE

OFFICERS NUMEROUS TIMES AND I AM FULLY AWARE OF HOW MUCH TTIEY

TNTERFACE AND IT MAKES SENSE TO ME, TO HAVE THEM ALL WORKING TOGETFIER LINDER THE SAME UMBRELLA. AS FAR AS THE 4OOO I AGREE WE

ARE NOT IN THE POSITION TO PUT OUT MONEY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS

WHEN WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT CUTTING SO MANY DIFFERENT AREAS. AND AGAIN, OPEN TO LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE I AM AWARE

OF MEMBERSHIPS THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO STOP PUTTING FUNDS TOWARD

ONCE WE DO HAVE THAT MERGER AND I ACTUALLY DO SUPPORT SENDING

COUNCILMEMBERS TO INCREASING THE MONEY, TO SEND THEM TO THE CONFERENCE. I L]-NDERSTAND SOMETIMES,I KNOW YOUR EXPERIENCE BUT I

WENT AND I FOTIND IT VERY INFORMATIVE FOR ME, WE HAVE HAD

DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES, I AM IN SUPPORT OF IT AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US TO HAVE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN

WE ARE PRETTY MUCH VOLLINTEERS BUT IT IS ALMOST A FULL-TIME JOB

AND HAVING TFIE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOR US AS WPLL IS

BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMLINITY AS A WHOLE FOR US TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE STATE. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHERE I'M AT. EVERYTHING ELSE I AM FINE WITH.

OKAY, WEIGHING IN HERE, I AM FINE WITH TFIE SHIFT IN THE HOMELESS

OUTREACH CONTRACTS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I HAVE TO ADMIT, THE

REASON IS BECAUSE OF THIS PARTICULAR POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THIS PARTICULAR POLICE CHIEF. SO, I FIAVE SOME HESITATION BECAUSE I DON'T

THINK OUR POLICY SHOULD NECESSARILY BE DRIVEN BY WHO HAPPENS TO

BE HOLDING THE POSITION IN THE MOMENT BUT I DO KNOW THAT IS WHERE THE DIRECTION AND THE EFFORT AND THE ENERGY IS PLACED. IF IT IS NOT

SHIFTED TO OUR POLICE CHIEF, THAT IS THE PERSON WHO CURRENTLY IS GOING TO BE HANDLING ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT COME UP. FROM A

PRAGMATIC, PRACTICAL PERSPECTTVE I WOULD SUPPORT THAT BUT I CAUTION TI{E COUNCIL TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT, DEPENDING ON WHAT

HAPPENS IN TERMS OF CHANGES WITHIN OUR CITY,IN TERMS OF LEADERSHIP AND FOCUS. AS TO THE OTHER ITEMS, TFIE $4OOO INCREASE, THE

NEW ITEM TO FUND MEMBERSHIP IN EQUITY ORGANIZATIONS,I SEE THIS AS

A SYMBOLIC INVESTMENT AND I THINK THERE IS SOME BENEFIT TO THE SYMBOLIC INVESTMENT. I WOULD RATHER HAVE US BE KNOWN FOR OUR

PRACTICAL, APPLIED EFFORTS AND WHAT WE DO, NOT JUST OUR SYMBOLIC EFFORTS BUT I UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGING BEHIND THIS. I WOULD URGE

US TO CONSIDER TWO ORGANIZATIONS, THE GOVERNMENT,I AM SORRY, TFIE GOVERNMENT ALLIANCE FOR RACIAL EQUITY, WHICH I THINK HAD A $IOOO

MEMBERSHIP AMOUNT AND THEN THE NAACP WHAT YOU THINK STARTED AT A $750 AMOLINT . TO ME THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. I WOULD NOT GO BEYOND THAT. SO,I PROPOSE I75O OR $2OOO ABOUT, FOR THAT ITEM BUTNOT T}IE 4OOO. AS TO THE COLLEAGUE OF CITIES,I AM REALLY TAKEN AND COMPELLED BY THE OBSERVATION OF OUR NEW CIry COUNCILMEMBER, WHO REALLY FELT, I WOULD'VE VOTED NO. I JUST THINK THIS IS A FISCAL

CRISIS BUT WE HAVE AN ELECTION OF CITY COUNCILMEMBERS COMING UP

AND I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE AND WE

ARE HAVING A CITY COUNCILMEMBER SAYED WAS REALLY USEFUL TO ME,I HAVE TO LISTEN TO THAT AND SUPPORT THE $3OOO AMOUNT, THAT IS WF{ERE I WOULD LAND ON THIS. OTHERWISE I WOULD SUPPORT ALL OTHER ITEMS. I

THINK OUR CITY COLINCILMEMBERS, OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE MEMBERS DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THE $3OOO AMOUNT FOR THE COLLEAGUE OF CITIES, COLINCILMEMBER MAURER?
I'M NOT SUPPORTING IT THIS YEAR.

HELP US UNDERSTAND YOUR REASONING.

WE HAVE A COW CITIES REPRESENTATIVE AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT

TFIEY KEEP UP ON THE ISSUES AND I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR GOING TO A BIG TRIP WITH A BIG EXPENSE IN THAT.

OKAY, VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN?

I AGREE, WE ARE AFFORDED THE OPPORTLINITIES TO CONTINUE TO A LEARN HOW TO DO OUR JOBS BETTER, MAYBE IT IS ruST ME CONSTANTLY FEELING I

AM NOT DOING ENOUGH AND THAT I COULD BE DOING BETTER, I AM IN FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THAT REQUEST.

COLTNCILMEMBER HINTON?

I WANT TO ADD THAT IF ARE GOTNG TO SUPPORT THIS, IF I RECALL , COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS ATTENDED A BECAUSE SHE DID NOT ATTEND IN

SACRAMENTO ,
IS THAT CORRECT ABOUT THAT? I AM JUST WONDERING IF

WE CAN ONLY SEND THREE TO SACRAMENTO IN JANUARY, ARE WE GOING TO SUPPORT THIS THEN I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE LET OTI{ER PEOPLE HAVE TURNED TO ATTEND THE VARIOUS CONFERENCES AND T}IE PERSON THAT

MAY BE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING THIS WOULD NOT TAKE ONE OF THE SLOTS TO GO TO SACRAMENTO IN JANUARY.

MARY GURLEY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE ON THIS TOPIC? I ruST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE CONFERENCE THAT IS COMING UP IN

LONG BEACH, THIS IS TFIE ANNUAL LEAGUE CONFERENCE THAT DEALS WITH

RESOLUTIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, NOT THE SAME ONE, OKAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE CONFERENCES.

THE CONFERENCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE WOULD BE FOR THE CONFERENCE WHERE RESOLUTIONS WOULD BE ADDRESSED?

THIS IS A RESOLUTION STATEWIDE, CITIES BRING FORWARD RESOLUTIONS

TIIAT CONTAIN POLICIES AND AS IS THE BOATING CONFERENCE THAT THE COI.]NCIL WOULD SEND A VOTING DELEGATE TO REPRESENT THE CITY.

OKAY, COUNCILMEMBER MAURER, MCLEWIS I MEAN DO NOTHING US TO CONTRIBUTE?

NO, I DID ATTEND A DIFFERENT ONE BUT IT DOES NOT CHANGE MY

THOUGHT ON PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, IT IS IMPORTANT NO MATTER

WHAT ROLE YOU ARE IN AND WE ALL SIT HERE AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND I

AM A HUGE SUPPORT OF PROFESSIONALS OF ELEMENT AND I THINK WE CUT

IT OUT OF THE BUDGET LAST YEAR AND I JUST THINK THAT WE OWE IT TO

OUR CONSTITUENTS TO KEEP UP ON STUFF AND I UNDERSTAND WFIAT THE

CONFERENCE IS COMING UP AND I DO SIT ON A LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE

AND I DO ATTEND THE MEETING MONTHLY WITH THE COW CITIES WRAP BUT

I DON'T SEE THAT AS PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, WE ALL SIT THERE AND

TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE CITY AND WE ARE EDUCATED ON

WHAT IS PENDING IN SACRAMENTO BUT THE CONFERENCE,I MEAN I THINK

IT IS STILL IMPORTANT FOR SOME COUNCILMEMBERS AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING IT JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO GO. I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD HAVE A FAIR PROCESS WITH THAT, THAT IS MY THOUGHT ON IT. OF COURSE I

LOVE HIGHER EDUCATION, THAT IS WHY I HAVE A FOUR DEGREES, BUT, YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. WE HAVE NO WAY TO ON ALL OF THESE ITEMS. I

THINK IS A PROCESS MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE GO THROUGH EACH OF

TFIEM, THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN AND THEN REMEMBER THAT AFTER WE ARE DONE WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK. IF WE NEED TO. IF THERE ANY

ITEMS THAT PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR MINDS ON ONCE WE HAVE ADDRESSED

OTHERS AND ONCE WE KNOW THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOLTNT THAT WE ARE

DEALING WITH BECAUSE WE NEED TO RECOGNIZETHAT ALREADY WE ARE CONSIDERING ADDING A $3OOO ITEM TO A BUDGET THAT IS ALREADY IN A DEFICIT. LET'S GO THROUGH, 25OO REDUCTION IN CONTRACT WITH PCA, THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN. OKAY. $4OOO REDUCTION FOR LEGAL HEARING NOTICES? 35OO REDUCTION IN COST FOR SHUTTLE FAIR PROGRAM.

TFM $36,800 SHIFT OF THE OUTREACH HOMELESS OUTREACH CONTRACT TO TI{E POLICE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. $1O,OOO SHIFT OF COST FOR PUBLIC COMMLINICATIONS TO CITY MANAGER. OKAY. 7186 NCREASING BENEFITS WHICH MAY OCCUR WITH YOU COLINCILMEMBERS. $I O,OOO INCREASE FOR CONTRACT SUPPORT FOR BASIC GOAL SETTING SESSION. $4OOO INCREASE TO

FUND MEMBERSHIP IN THE GOVERNMENT ALLIANCE, WE WILL COME BACK FOR A POSSIBLE MODIFIED BUT A $4OOO INCREASE TO FLIND MEMBERSHIP IN TI{E VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS. OKAY WERE YOU --
I WANT TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER IF POSSIBLE.

SURE. LET'S COME BACK. $3OOO FOR COUNCILMEMBERS TO ATTEND CAL LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCE, OKAY. MARY, THERE ARE THREE. OKAY.

TI{E ITEM THAT COUNCILMEMBER MAURER WANTS TO RETURN TO IS THE MEMBERSHIP ITEM. GO AHEAD, COLINCILMEMBER MAURER.

I HAD ORIGINALLY AGREED TO THIS AND I AM RE-THINKING IT BASED ON HEARING OTHER COMMENTS. I FLINDAMENTALLY SUPPORT THIS BUT IF IT IS

JUST SYMBOLIC I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT OUR OWN CHAMBER AND OUR OWN

LOCAL GROUPS, ARE WE GIVING MONEY TO THIS GROUP AND NOT TO OUR OWN CHAMBER? COULD YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH IS IN THE BUDGET FOR THE CHAMBER? DO WE HAVE ANY MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THE CHAMBER?

I BELIEVE I SAW WE HAD A BASIC MEMBERSHIP BUT SOMEBODY SHOULD CLARIFY.

I WILL ALSO TURN TO VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN WHO MAY HAVE INPUT ON THIS TOPIC.

WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MEMBERSHIP, I DID NOT SEE MEMBERSHIPS,

SOMEBODY MENTIONED EIGHT, WE BELONG TO ATE SOME THINGS THAT

MIGHT GET REDUCED BASED UPON CONSOLIDATION, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS.

THE QUESTION IS BEING RAISED, OUR CURRENT MEMBERSHIPS WHICH WERE REFERENCED BY COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.

ON PAGE 192 OF THE BUDGET. I DID ALSO REACH OUT TO THE CITY OF

CATATAS TO ASK ABOUT THEIR ORGANIZATION AND REVIEWED THEIR

MEMBERSHIP AND THEY DON'T BELONG TO THESE TYPES OF MEMBERSHIPS

THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, THEY BELONG TO THE SAME BASIC
MEMBERSHIPS THAT POST -- THAT MOST CITIES DO. I WANTED THAT AS AN EXAMPLE FROM ANOTHER NEIGHBOR CITY.

THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, DID YOU COMPLETE YOUR
COMMENTS?
YES.

OKAY. WE CAN CONFIRM WE DO HAVE A VARIOUS MEMBERSHIPS , FURTHER DISCU S SION, COLINCILMEMBER MAURER?
LOOKS LIKE THE CHAMBER RECETVES $250 .

I INAUDIBLE ]
242,R.IGHT?
I HAVE 250 ON PAGE 241.

THE NEW MEMBERSHIP IS 250. FOR'23-'24.

I SEE, $25O IN THE FISCAL YEAR WE ARE CONSIDERING, OKAY, THAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. SO, ANY OTHER WEIGHING IN ON THIS ITEM, OH, A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION ON THIS ITEM. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHTNG

THAT INDICATES THAT WE ARE RECEIVING ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE FROM

THIS MEMBERSHIP, THAT WE ARE SIMPLY SUPPORTING THE ORGANIZATIONS

AND CONVEYING A MESSAGE BUT I WANT TO DOUBLE CFMCK AND MAKE SURE,IS THAT ACCURATE?

NO, I THINK WE ALSO GET LIKE OPPORTLINITIES TO PARTICIPATE AND TO

VOTE ON THEIR LEADERSHIP AND I THINK ACTUALLY TRAINING AND ALSO JOB OPPORTUNITIES, IF WE HAD JOBS. I KNOW WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT

JOBS WE NEED TO FILL BECAUSE DURING THE BUDGET DISCUSSION THERE

WAS A THOUGHT ABOUT JOINING -- BECAUSE THEY CAN HOST JOB ANNOUNCEMENTS AND GOODNESS, WE DO HAVE SOME TI{AT ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE FILLED AND LIKE RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, WE HAVE THE SUGGESTION THAT IS IN THIS BUDGET, TI{E 4OOO . I CAME UP WITH 1750 FOR THE NAACP AND THE GOVERNMENT ALLIANCE OR RACIAL EQUITY. WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF COUNCILMEMBERS THAT ARE SUPPORTING NOTHING, ZERO CONTRIBUTION ON THIS SO FAR. COTINCIL MEMBER LOUIS? [ CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING ]

IF WE WERE ACTUALT,Y MOVING THE NEEDLE OR SOMETHING, RIGHT NOW

ESPECIALLY, GIVEN THAT WE ARE COVETING -- CUTTING FROM MOST OF OUR OWN ORGANIZATIONS AND THAT, YOU KNOW?

WE HAVE CONTRIBUTED OUR COMMENTS,I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE 4150 AND ZERO. ONE THUMBS-UP. IN SUPPORT OF $1750 FOR THIS SITE? ALL RIGHT, WE I{AVE TWO THUMBS UP, ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? SO THAT'S WE HAVE, ANA, HAVE YOU TRACKED OUR DECISIONS HERE? WONDERFUL. WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE CITY MANAGER PAGE, CHECKING IN WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF, ARE WE OKAY IN OUR PROCESS? DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OR REQUESTS OF US? ON THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ITEM? WE DIDN'T GET TO THAT. OR DID WE? $3OOO FOR THE.- I THINK WE VOTED, NUMBER THREE. YES, THANK YOU. AND IT IS ONLY 8:OO! SO

NOW WE ARE ON THE CITY MANAGER PAGE,I WAS THINKING ABOUT

SWITCHING HOURLY ROTATION, BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME BENEFIT TO

STARTING WITH BUDGET COMMITTEE,I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START AGAIN WITH COUNCILMEMBER MAURER AND VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN. GO AI{EAD.

JUST A REMINDER THAT THE CITY MANAGER REDUCED THE EQUIPMENT TECHNOLOGY AND VEHICLE RESERVE FLIND FROM $23,OOO DOWN TO $2O,OOO.

THAT IS A SAVINGS OF $3OOO RIGHT THERE, AND I SUPPORT THE PAYMENT FOR THE RELALTNCH PROGRAM. SO I SUPPORT ALL OF THIS.

THANK YOU, GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR.

I SUPPORT ALL OF THIS.

ALL zuGHT, COUNCILMEMBER MC LEWIS? SURE, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?

I AM QUESTIONING AND WITH CONSIDERING A PLACEHOLDER FOR THE BOB

LEYLAND, WE JUST FINISHED A CONTRACT WITH HIM AND I HESITATE TO

MOVE INTO ANOTHER CONTRACT WITHOUT HAVING THIS FULLY VETTED AND BROUGHT BACK TO FULL COLTNCIL TO MAKE EIGHT DECISION ON IT. I ALSO HAVE TO SAY,I AM QUESTIONING THE COMP STUDY FOR $30,000. I KNOW THAT WE DO COMP STUDIES WHEN WE MAKE -- CASA ZIKO8 -- THAT IS AN ADD-ON? BESTIE I AM HEARING SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE END OF THE TABLE.

WE AGREE TO ADD THOSE TO THIS?
NOT TO CITY MANAGER.

THOSE RC ARE ADMINISTRATION, ruST THE BOB LEYLAND AND THAT WILL BE ALL.

I WLL BE POINTING OUT,I'M SORRY, COLINCILMEMBER HINTON, WITHIN THE $5O,OOO FOR BOB LEYLAND, NOT FOR HIM PERSONALLY, BUT THERE IS AN

AMOLINT INTENDED TO BE USED TO ASSESS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DEPARTMENT. THAT IS CORRECT, RIGHT, CITY MANAGER? I BELIEVE THAT AMOUNT WAS APPROXIMATELY 25,OOO, SO WITHIN THAT, THAT MAY BE WHERE YOU ARE GETTING $2O,OOO. I'M SORRY, COLINCIL MEMBER.

OKAY, NOW I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED.

WITHIN THE $52,000, THERE IS A $25,OOO ESTIMATE IN ORDER TO ASSESS

ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE WAYS TO DO QUARTERLY REPORTS,IMPROVE OUR SERVICES THERE, AND T}IEN THE BALANCE OF THAT $52,OOO WOULD BE FOR GENERAL SERVICES FROM BAKER TELLTNG.

SO I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF JUST PUTTING GENERAL SERVICES OUT THERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR AT THIS POINT. I THINK, BUT I SUPPOSE, I DON'T KNOW, I AM ON THE FENCE ABOUT TFIE OTHER.

AND YOU ARE PROPOSING ON THE $52,000, JUST TO BE CLEAR HERE, THAT HE MIGHT SUPPORT A PLACEHOLDER?
PLACEHOLDER, YEAH.

ANY COMMENTS ON THE OTHER ONE? FOR THE INSTANCE, THE VEHICLE? OKAY, NO COMMENTS ON THAT. CITY MANAGER?
ruST ONE NOTE, ANY CONTRACT THAT WE WOULD DO FURTHER WORK WITH

BAKER TILLY WOULD COME BACK TO THE COLINCIL BECAUSE A LOT OF THE CONTRACT IS ALREADY AT MY SIGNING AUTHORITY. WE WOULD DO THAT

FOR THE VEHICLE PROJECT ALONE AND ANY FURTHER WORK WITH BOB LEYLAND TO CONTINUE THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. I DO THINK IT IS

APPROPRIATE TO PUT SOME MONEY THAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH ASIDE, BUT IT WILL COME BACK TO COLTNCIL FOR ANY TYPE OF CONTRACT.

CAN YOU REMIND US WHAT YOUR AUTHORITY MAX IS QUICK
$50,000.

IF WE PUT IT IN AS A PLACEHOLDER, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO COLINCIL BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN YOUR AUTHORITY?
IT WOULD, I CAN'T PIECEMEAL A CONTRACT, LIKE, I CAN'T TAKE TWO $3O,OOO CONTRACTS WITH BAKER TILLY. ONCE I HIT $5O,OOO,I HAVE TO HEAD BACK TO THE COLTNCIL TO GET APPROVAL TO GO OVER THAT. IF THAT MAKES SENSE? COLINCILMEMBER MC LEWIS? ANY COMMENTS ON THESE ITEMS? I WILL WEIGH IN HERE, I AM ON THE $52,OOO FOR BAKER TILLY AND SIMILARLY, ON THE $2O,OOO AMOUNT FOR A VEHICLE PROJECTIONS. THESE ARE JUST FULL ENOUGH VETTED FOR ME. I CERTAINLY WOULD BE WILLING TO SET ASIDE AS A PLACEHOLDER AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE $52,OOO AND FOR THE $2O,OOO DOWN FROM $23,000, BUT I AM NOT PREPARED TO PUT A

RUBBER STAMP ON APPROVAL FOR THOSE APPLICATIONS AND ALLOCATIONS

UNTIL THEY COME BACK WITH A FULL STAFF REPORT FOR THE CITY COTINCIL. THE REST OF TFIE ITEMS I AM FULLY IN SUPPORT OF. SAD ABOUT

THE RELAUNCH PROGRAM, BUT WE OWE TFIEM THE MONEY, SO WE NEED TO DO THAT. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE DO OUR -- GO AHEAD CALC, COUNCIL MEMBER.

WE ARE PUTTING THIS AS A PLACE HOLDER, RIGHT?

THE BAKER TILLY MANAGEMENT REVIEW I LOOK AT IS PUTTING IN PLACE HOLDERS. I WANT TO TALK TO FIRMS OR INDIVIDUALS WHO DO THAT WORK,

SEE WHAT THEIR COST COME BACK AND THEN BRING ESPECIALLY BAKER

TILLY, THEY NEED TO COME BACK FOR NO OTHER REASON THAT IF THEY DO THE VEHICLE PROJECT THAT ONCE THEY ARE OVER TWO 5O,OOO, THAT IS COMING BACK FOR SURE. I'M NOT SURE THERE WILL BE OTHER PIECES OR NOT. TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I THTNK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS, WE ARE

COMING BACK TO BAKER TILLY, A FORESHORE COMES BACK TO THE FULL COLTNCIL. IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE MANAGEMENT REVIEW, WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK AS WELL, IT IS WITHIN MY SIGNING ACCORD.

MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE APPROVE THE AMOUNTS AS A

PLACEHOLDER, SUBJECT TO FINAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE FULL CITY COUNCIL. AT A LATER TIME, THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT. AND MY PROPOSAL GOT COLTNCILMEMBER?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PLACEHOLDER?
MEANING, SET ASIDE THE AMOL]NT OF MONEY, BUT I PERSONALLY AM NOT PREPARED TO ALLOCATE $52,OOO FOR SERVICES THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN THE

SCOPE OF, I DON'T KNOW THAT, IN FACT, THAT AMOLTNT OF MONEY IS WHAT IS NEEDED. T DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION IN ORDER TO SAY, YES,I WANT TO SPEND THIS TAXPAYER MONEY.

CAN I CLARIFY, CAN YOU DID YOU ruST SAY YOU TARGETED BAKER TILLY

TO DO THE RESERVE FLIND

THAT IS THE ONLY FIRM I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND THAT DOES THAT WORK.

WE WILL HAVE 20 PLUS 52 FOR BAKER TILLY?
WE WOULD ADD 20 FOR THE FLEET PROJECT AND THE 52 WOULD BE

AVAILABLE,I CAN FULLY LTNDERSTAND, I AM NOT WILLING TO WRITE A CHECK FOR $52,000, BUT I WOULD WANT TO SCOPE OUT THE MANAGEMENT

REVIEW AND I DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH BOB LEE FLYNN ON THE FINANCIAL EXAM. HE MIGHT BE A AN

APPROPRIATE PERSON TO HELP WITH THE MANAGEMENT REVIEW OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES. HE IS AN EXPERIENCED FINANCE DIRECTOR. I

THINK IT IS -- THINKING OF IT AS A PLACEHOLDER, PENDING FINAL COUNCIL DECISION, IS AN APPROPzuATE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT.

NOW I HAVE TO ADD ON, HE SAID ADD MONEY FROM LAST YEAR TO THE $2O,OOO, SO HOW MUCH ARE WE CARRYING OVER FROM LAST YEAR? WE ARE CARRYING $2O,OOO OVER FOR THE BAKER TILLY CONTRACT FROM LASTYEAR.

SO THIS EQUIPMENT TECHNOLOGY VEHICLE RESERVE PROJECT IS A $4O,OOO PROJECT?
NO, IT IS A $2O,OOO OFFER THAT WOULD BE PAID OUT OF A SEPARATE FL]ND.

TI{E TOTAL IS TF{E $72,OOO TO CARRY OVER FOR THIS YEAR AND THEN,

CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THEM NEXT YEAR AND THE MANAGEMENT REVIEW OF ADMINISTERING OF SERVICES. I KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED THAT MUCH, WE SPENT ABOUT 30 ON BOB LEE FLYNN -- LELAND FOR SIX MONTHS. I WOULD HAVE TO DO A DEEPER DIE TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD SPEND. IF YOU WANTED TO REDUCE THAT,I WOULD BE OKAY WITH TIIAT. I

DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO NEED AND WE COULD REVISIT IT AT MIDYEAR IF WE NEEDED TO.

BREAKING THIS DOWN, IT SOUNDS LIKE $27,OOO IS YOUR ESTIMATE FOR A BAKER TILLY CONTRACT, $25,OOO IS YOUR ESTIMATE FOR THE FINANCIAL

ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES REVIEW AND THEN, AS A SEPARATE ITEM, YOU HAVE $2O,OOO FOR THE ASSESSING OF THE CITY FLEET AND VEHICLES NEEDS, IS THAT CORRECT?
AND TFIERE IS A $2O,OOO CARRYOVER FROM THIS YEAR
AND THAT CARRYOVER IS NOT REFLECTED IN THESE NUMBERS?
THAT IS CORRECT, THAT IS A CARRYOVER.

THAT'S INTERESTING, SO IT IS A CARRYOVER, BUT ARE THERE OTHER AREAS WHERE WE ARE -- DOES THAT $2O,OOO SHOW UP IN THE BUDGET FOR CITY MANAGER? AS A BAKER TILLY AMOLTNT? I AM SEEING OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES NOT HER HEAD. OKAY, SO THEN A QUESTION FOR ANA KWONG , TI{E AMOUNT WE HAVE IN OUR PROPOSED BUDGET, IS IT $2O,OOO PLUS THE $52,OOO? OKAY, AND THEN, AS A SEPARATE AMOLINT, $2O,OOO FOR THE VEHICLE AND PROPOSED BUDGET?
BUT THAT'S IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION. SO THE $2O,OOO AMOUNT FOR THE VEHICLE ASSESSMENT STUDY IS NOT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET? BUT WE DO HAVE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS $2O,OOO CARRYOVER? WHICH, FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION, ME COMING OUT OF THE CURRENT BUDGET. I

WOULD SEE THAT AS FOR FUTURE AND COPPER TRANSPARENCY, THIS NUMBER $52,OOO SHOULD BE $7O,OOO FROM MY PERSONAL PERSPECTTVE.

WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS 72,OOO TO BAKER TILLY? IS THAT CORRECT? $72,OOO FOR BAKER TILLY AND THE MANAGEMENT REVIEW, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE BAKER TILLY.

OKAY, BAKER TILLY WOULD BE $47,OOO? MORE OR LESS?
MORE OR LESS.

PLUS $25,OOO FOR THE MANAGEMENT REVIEW?
YES.

IN TERMS OF YOUR -- IN TERMS OF SIGNING AUTHORITY, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS -.I MEAN, THIS IS A $47,OOO PLUS $25,OOO AMOUNT, CORRECT?
POTENTIALLY.

OKAY, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION,I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ALL OF US, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER CARRYOVER AMOLiNTS,

ANY AMOUNTS YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO BE CARRYOVER AMOLINTS, WE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF. NOT RIGHT IN THIS INSTANCE, BUT AS WE GO THROUGH.

SORRY, FOLKS, LENGTHY DISCUSSION. DEFINITELY, [N LIGHT OF ALL OF

THAT, WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF SETTING THE REQUESTED AMOUNTS ASIDE,

SUBJECT TO OUR THOROUGH EXAMINATION AT A LATER CITY COLINCIL MEETING. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THESE ITEMS? GIVEN WHAT WE ruST HEARD? COUNCILMEMBER MC LEWIS, WAS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY?
NO. ruST, YEAH,I'M SHAKING MY HEAD.

SO WE HAVE THESE ITEMS FOR CITY MANAGER. IN TERMS OF A
PLACEHOLDER CONCEPT TF{AT HAS JUST BEEN DESCRIBED,I JUST WANT TO

GET A SENSE, IS THE CITY COUNCIL -- I AM IN SUPPORT OF THAT IDEA, I HEAR

FROM COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, ALSO FOR COUNCILMEMBER MC LEWIS,

LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT?
MY CONCERN IS, I DON'T WANT TO SAY HI THE CITY MANAGER'S HANDS. IF

HE HAD A NEED FOR ANALYTIC SUPPORT,I WANT HIM TO BE ABLE TO REACH

OUT AND RECETVE THAT AND NOT FEEL LIKE HE HAD TO WAIT FOR TWO OR THREE WEEKS TO COME TO COLINCIL TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD GIVE HIM A CERTAIN, LIKE, HALF OF WHAT I{E'S ASKING FOR? COME BACK AND REVIEW MIDYEAR OR HAVE A PLACEHOLDER OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT?
ANY COMMENTS, COLINCILMEMBER MC LEWIS?
I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH THAT,IF WE SPLIT IT OUT.

COLTNCILMEMBER HINTON?
I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH SPLITTING W}IAT HE'S ALREADY GOT IN THE

WORKS, BUT I REALLY NEED TO SAY, PUBLICLY CLEAR EVEN THOUGH HE HAS THE $15 AND DOLLAR -- $I5,OOO SIGNING ABILITY, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE

WITH THIS GOING FORWARD,I'M NOT TRYING TO TIE HIS HANDS, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS. I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN MAKE A DECISION AND

JUST AUTHORIZE THIS AMOUNT AND I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD BE

INVOLVED IN THESE DECISIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE HIRING OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS. SO THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

WHAT ABOUT TFIE IDEA OF THINKING OF THE SUGGESTION HERE FROM COLTNCILMEMBER MAURER, HAVING THE COUNCIL APPROVED A $2O,OOO AMOUNT WITH TF{E AMOL]NT OF THE BALANCE COMING BACK WITH THE FULL CONTRACT, BUT AUTHORIZING OUR CITY MANAGER TO SPEND $2O,OOO

ON BAKER TILLY WITH THE REMAINING ASK COMING BACK TO US, SET ASIDE AS A PLACEHOLDER, BUT COMING BACK TO US FOR A FINAL DECISION?

THAT IS ACTUALLY ALREADY IN PLACE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HAVE THE SIGNING AUTHORITY AND I HAVE $2O,OOO LEFT IN THAT SIGNING AUTHORITY.

I APPRECIATE THE DESIRE FOR FLEXIBILITY, I AM ALSO FINE WITH

PROCEEDING AS YOU WERE INITIALLY SUGGESTING,I DO THINK I HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY. THE ONE THING I WOULD JUST WANT TO NAIL DOWN AND MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, T}IE VEHICLE RESERVE OR THE VEHICLE PROJECT, IF YOU WLL.

OKAY, SO LET'S CLOSE UP THE DISCUSSION, I THTNK VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN MIGHT HAVE HAD SOMETHING, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT?
NO, I AGREE WITH COI.INCILMEMBER MAURER AND IF IT WORKS WITH THE GENERAL MANAGER, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE $2O,OOO AND ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A STAFF REPORT.

GREAT, IS EVERYONE THUMBS UP ON THAT IDEA? OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU.

AND THEN, THE AMOLTNT FOR TFIE $2O,OOO FOR THE VEHICLE RESERVE STUDY, CITY MANAGER, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT HE WANTED TO MAKE?

THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN OVERSIGHT IN FINISHING UP THE BUDGET, BUT I woul.D LIKE TO SUGGEST WE TAKE THAT $20,000 OUT OF THE EQUIPMENT, TECHNOLOGY AND VEHICLE RESERVE FLIND. IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE USE OF

THAT FLIND TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE REALLY NEED FOR FLEET AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE OUR OPERATIONS.

OKAY, MY ONLY COMMENT IS, WHY $2O,OOO? IS THIS JUST A NUMBER UP T}IERE?

IT'S WHAT IS COMPED, I TALKED TO SEVERAL FIRMS WHO WOULD DO LOCAL

GOVERNMENT CONSULTING, IT TURNS OUT THAT BAKER TILLY IS THE ONLY

ONE WHO HAS A SPECIALIST THAT DOES THIS WORK AND THEY GIVE US A PROPOSAL THAT IS $2O,OOO OR VERY VERY CLOSE TO THAT. WE DID SCOPE --

BRTNG IT DOWN IN SCOPE A LITTLE BIT, WE WANT TO LEAVE THE FIRE APPARATUS OUT OF IT, WE THINK WE CAN MANAGE THAT SEPARATELY.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MC LEWIS?
I ruST HAD A QUESTION,I REALIZE IT SAYS EQUIPMENT TECHNOLOGY AND

VEHICLE, IT SEEMS TO ME, WOULDN'T DEPARTMENT HEADS KNOW WHAT T}IEY NEED? WE RELY ON TFIE FIRE CHIEF TO TELL US WHAT FIRETRUCKS WE NEED, ruST WONDERING W}IY WE HAVE TO PAY $2O,OOO. I'M JUST TRYING TO L]NDERSTAND THE LOGIC BECAUSE I THINK DANTE HAS A GOOD IDEA OF

WHAT WE NEED FOR PUBLIC WORKS, SO I AM JUST --
TO ME, TI{E PROPER MAY WAY TO MANAGE YOUR FLEET, YOU BTry A NEW VEHICLE AND EXPECTED TO LAST 1 O YEARS, THE YEAR YOU BUY OR THE YEAR AFTER YOU BUY, YOU PUT IO% OF TFIE COST ASIDE. WE DON'T NEED A NEW $100,000 PIECE oF EQUIPMENT WITH NO MONEY SET ASIDE. FIGURING

OUT WHAT THOSE NUMBERS OUGHT TO BE BASED ON THE CURRENT FLEET,

HOW MUCH LONGER WE EXPECT VEHICLES TO LAST, WHAT SHOULD WE HAVE PUT ASIDE FOR REPLACEMENT? WHAT DO WE NEED TO BE PUTTING ASIDE FOR THIS YEAR? IS THERE THINGS WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF

MATNTENANCE THAT GIVE US A LITTLE MORE CONFIDENCE THAT WE ARE

MAINTAINING THEM PROPERLY, ALL THAT IS PART OF PROPER FLEET MANAGEMENT.

I'M SORRY,I'M GOING TO TRY TO MOVE US ALONG.

THIS IS ruST A ONE TIME THING YOU NEED TO DO? FROM THERE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, HOPEFULLY, HAVE THE FORMULAS OF WHATEVER?
YES.

OKAY,I THINK WE ARE PROBABLY READY TO MAKE A DECISION HERE. WE ALREADY COVERED THE $52,000, TF{E $2O,OOO AMOUNT, THUMBS UP TO PULL THAT OUT OF THE VEHICLE RESERVE? YES, NO, MAYBE? OKAY. THE $1O,OOO FOR THE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION? COLTNCILMEMBER HINTON IS HESITATING, THAT YOU -- OKAY. $6000 FOR PAYMENT FOR PRIOR WORK FOR THE RELAUNCH PROGRAM? AND THEN, $1O,OOO SHIFT OF CONTRACT COSTS FOR PUBLIC COMMLTNICATION'S FROM CITY COUNCIL TO CITY MANAGER? THUMBS UP, EVERYONE? OKAY. I THINK THAT COVERS OUR CITY MANAGER

ITEMS AND, NOW, MOVING ON TO CITY ATTORNEY, NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ITEMS, $IO,OOO IN REDUCED BALLOT MEASURE EXPENSES, THUMBS LIP, EVERYONE?
I'M SORRY, EXCUSE ME.

PLEASE. YES?
I ruST WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR, ON TI{E BUDGET,IS IT $72,OOO FOR THE CONTINUING OR $52,OOO?

I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, THIS IS A QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT HOW CARRYOVER AMOLTNTS ARE DEALT WITH.

I DON'T THINK IT IS LISTED BECAUSE TYPICALLY, CARRYOVERS ARE. IF YOU LOOK IN THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET, WE DO HAVE CARRYOVERS LIKE R-3

WE HAVE THE CONTRACT FROM LAST YEAR, WE EXPENDED WHATEVER AMOIJNT WE EXPENDED AND CARRIED OVER THE REMAINDER OF IT. IS THE CARRYOVER IN HERE? I ruST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS CLEAR,TT 72IF IT'S NOT IN HERE OR 52IF IT IS IN HERE?
ANA QUAN, WHAT AMOUNT HAS BEEN ALLOCATED THIS YEAR, IS IT $52,OOO oR $72,000?
52,OOO IS NEW,20 IS CARRYOVER.
'S OF THE BUDGET DOES CURRENTLY HAVE $72,OOO?

TOGETHER KIA SPECTRA
AND IT DOES SHOW UP FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR?
YES.

DO WE, AS A COLINCIL, NEED TO APPROVE TIIE $2O,OOO ALLOCATION? THAT IS MY QUESTION.

YOU ruST GAVE A THUMBS UP AS A WHOLE IS MY UNDERSTANDING. 50 CAN I JUST ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION, TFIE NEXT BULLET POINT IS THE $2O,OOO.

DIFFERENT AMOLJNT.

REALLY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 72,OOO+ 20? THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT 90? IS NOT CORRECT, WE ARE. THIS IS A QUESTION THAT IS -- WHAT IS OUR PRACTICE -. POLICY AND PRACTICE IN TERMS OF AMOUNTS THAT WERE ALLOCATED IN A PRIOR YEAR FOR AN EFFORT AND HAVEN'T BEEN SPENT? I

ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THOSE THEN CAME IN -- THEY WERE REASSESSED IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET? THERE WASN'T AN ASSUMPTION THAT TFMY WOULD BE..

IF YOU HAVE A CONTRACT, THOSE CARRYOVER. WITH OUR THREE, WE

APPROVED THE CONTRACT IN A CERTAIN AMOLTNT, WE EXPENDED SO MUCH BY JLTNE 30th, TFIAT REMAINDER, YOU ARE COMMITTED TO THAT AMOUNT.

WE ALREADY ALLOCATED THE $2OO,OOO, WHATEVER HAS NOT BEEN SPENT IS NOW JUST CARRIED OVER INTO TFIE NEW FISCAL YEAR. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A CONTRACT THAT ALLOCATES TI{E INITIAL FL]NDS.

HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO TFIE CURRENT SITUATION WITH BAKER TILLY? ARE WE ALREADY OBLIGATED?
WE ARE OBLIGATED TO THAT $2O,OOO. THAT $2O,OOO IS CARRYOVER,IN ADDITION TO THAT $2O,OOO, THE CITY MANAGER IS ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL $5O,OOO FOR VARIOUS STUFF.

WITH THOSE FACTS IN FRONT OF US, DO YOU NEED ACTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE $2O,OOO THAT WE ARE ALREADY OBLIGATED TO? NO, THE CONTRACT IS $5O,OOO, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO PAY THE CONTRACT FOR $50,000.

GOT IT, COTINCILMEMBER HINTON?
THIS IS MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO $50,000, HAS HE FINISHED THE WORK AND HE DID FASTER? SO WE STILL OWE HIM $2O,OOO FOR ADDITIONAL SOMETHING? WE OWE HIM $2O,OOO, BUT IS THE WORK COMPLETED?
HE HAS DONE AND WE HAVE PAID FOR $3O,OOO AND CHANGE WORTH OF WORK. THE CONTRACT INCLUDES $2O,OOO MORE IN AUTHORITY OF WORK HE HAS NOT DONE AND WE HAVE NOT PLAYED FOR.

WE HAVE NOT ASSIGNED HIM BECAUSE -- SOMETIMES, WE AUTHORIZE A CONTRACT BECAUSE WE THINK IT IS GOING TO COST THIS MUCH. IT SOLINDS LIKE TO ME WE AUTHORIZE THIS CONTRACT FOR 50 BUT HE DID THE WORK IN

30. THE DIFFERENCE OF 20, WHICH WE STILL OWE HIM FOR OTHER NEW WORK,IS THAT HOW I AM UNDERSTANDING THIS?

I THINK THAT IS MOSTLY CORRECT, IT WOULD BE OTHER WORK THAT WOULD ANTICIPATE THE CONTINUATION OF WHAT I{E IS DOING IN TERMS OF UPDATING FINANCIAL MODELS.

I'M GOING TO BACK US OFF TO A REALIZATION TO TIME CHECK, I THINK THE

TINDERLYING QUESTION IS, WHETHER THIS COLTNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH TIIE REMAINING $2O,OOO OF A $5O,OOO CONTRACT BEING SPENT BY OUR CITY

MANAGER IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT?
I MEAN, IT IS, ONCE IN A WHILE, NICE TO SAVE SOME MONEY. WE OWE THEM $2O,OOO, WE ARE GOING TO ALLOCATE AND GTVE HIM MORE WORK, BUT THAT $2O,OOO, IN MY MIND, SHOULD BE APPLIED TO THIS $52,OOO OR THE 20 THAT WE JUST OFFERED FOR VEHICLE. NOT JUST ON TOP OF IT, WE JUST SAVED OLIRSELVES 2O,OOO, YEA, WE HAVE MORE WORK TO DO. I WANT TO ALLOCATE $52,OOO AND TFM 20 CARRYOVER GETS APPLIED TO THE VEHICLE, THAT WOULD BE MY ARGUMENT.

IT SOLINDS LIKE YOUR PROPOSAL, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, WOULD BE, WE ARE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, THERE IS ANEED, APPARENTLY, FOR 52,OOO, WE ALREADY }IAVE $2O,OOO THAT HAS CARzuED OVER, CAN WE INSTEAD JUST ADDING AN ADDITIONAL $32,OOO?
$72,OOO TOTAL IF WE ARE GOING TO USE THEM ON VEHICLE AND A $2O,OOO CARRYOVER.

DO YOU REALLY NEED TO CITY MANAGER? $52,OOO FOR THE -- DO YOU REALLY NEED $92,000.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW, I DO KNOW THE $2O,OOO FOR T}IE VEHICLE, THAT IS A VERY SOLID NUMBER. THE REST OF THEM ARE, TO USE THE TERM WE HAVE USED BEFORE, PLACEHOLDERS TO SOME DEGREE. I'M OKAY IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT BY 20.

FOR PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION, IT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL THAT WE GET CONSENSUS HERE BY REDUCING THIS AMOUNT. YOU CAN DO IT ANYWAY YOU WANT TO, BUT AS IT IS LISTED HERE, REDUCED TO $32,OOO PLUS THE $2O,OOO IN CARRYOVER. WITH $2O,OOO APPROVED FOR YOUR EXPENDITURE BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO THE CITY COTINCIL.

I THINK I AM FIEARING THREE ITEMS. 52 GOES TO32,2O IN CARRYOVER, -- WHICH YOU CAN SPEND NOW.

RIGHT. AND 20 FOR THE VEHICLE?
YES. YES. SO THE AMOLINT THAT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL WOULD BE 32,OOO FOR YOUR FIRST BULLET POINT, PLUS THE 2O,OOO FOR THE VEHICLE, I THINK? IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.

ALTHOUGH, NO, I AM CONFUSING AT. THE FIRST BULLET ITEM SAYS $52,000, WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR $32,OOO APPROVAL. AND THAT IS THE PLACEHOLDER, $32,000, CORRECT? EVERYONE IN AGREEMENT? OKAY, AND THE $2O,OOO THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT YOU CARRIED OVER, YOU ARE FREE TO SPEND ON BAKER TILLY. IN TERMS OF

VEHICLE AMOUNT, I THINK, I'M NOT SURE WE GOT TO THAT, BUT I THINK EVERYONE WAS THUMBS UP ON ruST DOING IT, OKAY? I'M SORRY,Z3,IS THAT CLEAR AS MUD?
SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO DERAIL THE CONVERSATION.

I APPRECIATE THAT YOU RESOLVED THAT, THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS OUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS BETTER AS A RESULT. NOW WE ARE ON CITY

ATTORNEY AND THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ITEM,I THINK WE DID

THUMBS UP ON TFIE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER PROBLEM, COLINCILMEMBER MAURER?
I ruST HAD A COMMENT ON THE CITY ATTORNEY WHAT BUDGET AND I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT EVERYBODY SAW THAT THE BUDGET IS $647,000. I

KNOW FOR ME AND MY COMMENTS DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, THIS IS

JUST SO DISAPPOINTING, TO BE SPENDTNG SO MUCH MONEY ON ATTORNEY

FEES AND I WOULD LIKE TO FIND WAYS TO REDUCE THAT,IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. I ruST DIDN'T WANT TO SKIP OVER THAT BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF MONEY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT ITEM?
CAN I JUST MAKE A BRIEF ONE, I 1OO% AGREE AND WE ARE -- WE ARE ALL TRYING TO DO OUR BEST, BUT YEAH, THAT IS zuDICULOUS AND OUTRAGEOUS, I FULLY AGREE.

COLINCILMEMBER MCLEWIS?

I THINK, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AS WE MAKE CHOICES, YOU KNOW, WE

RELY ON THEM TO HELP US TO ASSESS RISK AHEAD OF TIME AND BE MORE PROACTTVE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CHANGE WHAT IS IN RIGHT NOW, DOING A

BETTER RISK ASSESSMENT AND IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD AGREE, IS PARAMOLINT. WE ARE STARTING ANEW, SO.

THAT'S TRUE.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD INTENTIONS, WE JUST HAVE TO DELIVER. ADMINISTERED

OF SERVICES IS OUR NEXT CATEGORY, I THINK WE WILL START -- OH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS.

YOU HAVE THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER CITY CLERK BUDGET?
WE DID, WE DID THUMBS UP. YES. ON ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, THERE WERE, I THINK, THREE TTEMS THAT WERE ADDED. I THINK THOSE WERE THE COMP STUDY, CORRECT?
YES. FOR $3O,OOO. AND THEN WE HAD A STAFFING REPORT? IS THAT CORRECT?

THAT IS TO UPDATE TFIE STAFFING ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

STAFFING ASSESSMENT, THAT WAS A $1O,OOO ASK? THEN, WE ALSO }IAD THE CIRA TRAINING, FOR $2400? 2 CORRECT.

WE WILL GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, STARTING WITH THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, COLINCILMEMBER MAURER, ANY INPUT?
SORRY, I DID NOT SUPPORT THE $3OOO INCREASE FOR ONE PERSON TO ATTEND A LEADERSHIP TRAINING. IT ruST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT

ONE PERSON WOULD BE PULLED OUT FOR TRAINING, EVERYBODY NEEDS TRAINING. I DON'T KNOW, IT ruST DIDN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME THAT ONE PERSON WOULD GET TO GO. I MEAN, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DOES THE CITY

HAVE AND HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE
TRAINING? I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING EQUALITY, SO I WASN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I AM WONDERING ABOUT THE COMP STUDY AND TI{E STAFFING STUDY BECAUSE WE DID A STAFFING STUDY AND WE DID NOTHING WITH IT. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SO MUCH IN FRONT OF US,I

DON'T WANT TO DO A COMP STUDY OR A STAFFING STUDY LTNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAVE TIME TO ACTUALLY DEAL WITH IT. ADDRESS IT AND MAKE

THE CHANGES THAT WE NEED, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE PASS -- IS A SALES TAX PASSES ON THE BALLOT AND WE HAVE THE FI.INDS TO ACTUALLY FIX THE

STAFFING PROBLEMS, THEN IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO DO THE STAFFING STUDY. AT THIS TIME,I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE BRING BACK THE COMP STUDY AND THE STAFFING STUDY FOR A MIDYEAR BUDGET REVIEW.

TO SEE, DO WE HAVE THE TIME TO DEAL WITH THIS?
OKAY, THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR? 3 YES,I AM FINE WITH EVERYTHING LISTED ON HERE AND A $3OOO INCREASE FOR ONE PERSON TO ATTEND,I

CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH AS FAR AS RISK MANAGEMENT GOES, WE NEED SUCCESSION PLANNING. WE CAN ruST HAVE DEPARTMENT HEADS LEAVE AND NOT HAVE ANYONE TO STEP UP. THIS IS A WAY FOR THEM TO LEARN TO STEP UP AND TAKE A HIGHER POSITION. THE COMP STUDY IS ABSOLUTELY

NECESSARY BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD THOUSANDS OF TIMES, IT IS LIKE YOU

CAN'T COMPARE APPLES AND ORANGES AND YOU CAN'T COMPARE US TO CANTATA, YOU KNOW, BUT IT HAPPENS. I AM NOT GOING TO THROW OUT A SPECIFIC NAME OF AN ENTITY, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN. IT'S LIKE, WELL,

WHATEVER YOU GET PAID IN MARIN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET PAID THE SAME HERE, RIGHT? I ruST NEED DEFINITIVE ANSWERS AND DEFINITIVE

INFORMATION TO MAKE WELL CALCULATED DECISIONS ABOUT HOW EVERYONE IS GETTING PAID. AS FAR AS THE UPDATE ON THE STAFFING ASSESSMENT, YES, I WISH WE COULD HAVE ACTED ON IT. WE MADE EFFORTS

TO TRY TO PUSH THIS FORWARD LAST YEAR AND DIDN'T GET VERY FAR, BUT

I THINK WE OWE IT TO OUR CURRENT STAFF, ESPECIALLY SOME STAFF DOING

THE JOBS OF THREE PEOPLE, TO ACTUALLY GET AN UPDATED STAFFING ASSESSMENT AND THIS TIME, ACTUALLY MOVE IT FORWARD. AND FOR THIS YEAR, DEFINITELY APPROVE THAT AMOTINT.

OKAY, COLTNCILMEMBER HINTON OR COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS? GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER MAURER ABOUT TFIE MIDYEAR REVIEW FOR BOTH THE COMP STUDY AND T}IE $1O,OOO TO BE -- I MEAN, THAT

IS RELATED TO RE-LOOKING AT THE MATRIX REPORT, WHICH WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON AND THEN COULD NOT IMPLEMENT. NOW IT IS OLD AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO SPEND ANOTHER $IO,OOO TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN, BUT

WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T ACTED ON IT. IT IS PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE A BIT HERE AND SINCE WE

ARE GOING TO DO A MIDYEAR BUDGET REVIEW, MAYBE WE ARE GOING TO

HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT WE'VE GOT TO SPEND MONEY ON, I WOULD LIKE TO PUSH THOSE TWO ITEMS. I ALSO HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT I

WASN'T IN FAVOR OF SENDING ONE OF US TO A CONFERENCE AND WE HAVE BASICALLY WORKED FOR A STIPEND. THERE IS A LOT OF TRAINING THAT WE

ALREADY DO FOR STAFF THAT IS REQUIRED AND THAT THEY DO TO EARN

CERTIFICATES TO GET HIGHER LEVELS OF PAY, AND HAVING ATTENDED LEADERSHIP ACADEMIES, BOTH IN COUNTY DAILY ACTS. A VARIETY OF

THINGS THAT I HAVE FLINDED IN MY OWN LIFE, I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME

WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING THIS YEAR TO AGREE TO APPROVE THAT FOR, I AGREE, ALSO, ONE MEMBER, HOW DO YOU SELECT THAT MEMBER? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AN EXTRA AND I ruST DON'T FEEL THIS BUDGET HAS ROOM FOR

EXTRAS LINTIL WE FIGURE OUT EITHER IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SALES TAX MEASURE OR WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR

OF THE TRAINING AT ALL THIS YEAR AND THE OTHER TWO,I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COME BACK IN MIDYEAR REVIEW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND CLARIFICATION, STAFF, PLEASE HELP REMIND US, WHAT WAS THE CONSULTANT THAT DID THE STAFFING STUDY? IT WASN'T MATzuX, I DON'T THINK.

NO, IT WAS REGIONAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES. IT WAS RTS, REGIONAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES. COI.]NCILMEMBER MC LEWIS?
ruST GOING DOWN THE LINE HERE, THE COMP STUDY,I AM WITH MICE

MAYOR ZOLLMAN, WE HEAR SO MUCH ABOUT COMPENSATION HERE, IT'S TOO HIGH, IT'S TOO LOW, IT SHOULD BE THIS, IT SHOULD BE THAT. I SUPPORT

THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF I THINK WE DO NEED DEFINITIVE ANSWERS AT THAT. AS FAR AS THE STAFFING STUDY UPDATE, I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS. SO WE GET THE INFORMATION, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE

ABILITY TO ACT ON THE DATA,I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE -- I MEAN, AT

THIS POINT, WE ARE NICKEL AND DIMING EVERYTHING HERE, SO I WORRY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE ACTUALLY CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

GREAT TO HAVE THE INFORMATION, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AT THIS POINT, NO. I DON'T SUPPORT THAT, AND THEN, OF COURSE, I SUPPORT THE $3OOO FOR THE COLTNCILMEMBERS, HONESTLY, THE WARMING CENTERS,I

PERSONALLY FEEL THAT THAT SHOULD BE THROUGH TFM COLINTY, IS THAT - - NO, THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS. I'M GOING DOWN THE WRONG LIST.

THE NEXT ITEM WAS THE CIRA, 24,OOO TOWARD CIRA. COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, YOU ARE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE CIRA AMOTINT? I AM IN SUPPORT OF TFIE CIRA.

HERE IT IS, THE CIRA TRAINING, SORRY, GUYS, I FORGOT I HAD TFM ONE IN BETWEEN THERE.

IS THAT CLEAR? DO I NEED TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN?
I THINK WE HEARD YOU, THE $3OOO SONOMA LEADERSHIP ACCOUNT

ACADEMY, YOU ARE A KNOW AT THE MOMENT, COMP STUDY, YES, STAFFING CONCEPT, YOU DELAY AND CIRA, YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF?
I DIDN'T ADDRESS THE $3OOO FOR THE LEADERSHIP, I ACTUALLY DO SUPPORT

THAT, WE DO NEED A SUCCESSION PLANNED AND I DO WORRY ABOUT THE

FACT THAT WE DO HAVE SO MANY LEADERS, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT HEADS LEAVING. SO I DO SUPPORT THAT AT THIS POINT, IT IS NOT IDEAL TO

JUST PICK ONE AND I AGREE, THAT IS A LITTLE CONCERNING TO ME AND I

AM HOPING WE CAN RELY ON THE CITY MANAGER TO MAKE THE

APPROPRIATE DECISIONS AND DIRECTION WITH THAT AS HE SEES FIT TO

MANAGE HIS STAFF AND, HOPEFULLY, LIFT SOME PEOPLE UP SO WE DON'T GET INTO THIS SITUATION WHERE WE CAN'T FIND PEOPLE.

LOOKING TO STAFF, THERE ARE THREE ITEMS BEING DEBATED HERE, JUST

WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN IF YOU FEEL ANY OF TFIESE ARE PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT. $3OOO FOR THE LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, THE $3O,OOO FOR THE COMP STUDY, $1O,OOO FOR STAFFING, $2400 FOR CIRA, THOSE ARE IN QUESTION AT THE MOMENT. IF THERE IS ANY FINAL THOUGHTS YOU HAVE, PLEASE SHARE THEM WITH US.

I THINK MARY AND I AGREE, WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE THESE, THE CIRA WOULD BE OUR TOP PRIORITY.

I ASSUME EVERYONE IS IN SUPPORT OF THE $1I4,OOO AND 600 IN REDUCTION, SOFTWARE MANAGEMENT, LINANIMOUS. $25,OOO SHIFT OF EXPENSES FOR pRopERT\/ TAXES FROM NON-DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET? LTNANTMOUS. $3000

INCREASE FOR ONE PERSON IN THE CITY TO ATTEND THE LEADERSHIP ACADEMY OR OTHER TRAINING? WHAT OTHER TRAINING? OR OTHER TRAINING?
ruST, IF SOMEBODY COULDN'T MAKE THAT PARTICULAR, WE FOUND SOMETHING THAT WAS GOOD, MAYBE, ACCEPTABLE TO MORE PEOPLE. BIAS AND OPPORTLiNITY A BETTER CHANCE COMES ALONG.

THUMBS-UP OR THUMBS DOWN? I AM HAVING TROUBLE READING THIS.

YES OR NO.

TO SUPPORT,32 OPPOSE.

THE COMP STUDY, OPPOSE? YOU HAVE TO DECLARE YOUR THUMBS, $3O,OOO FOR THE CLASSIC COMP STUDY? OKAY, THUMBS UP. OKAY, THE STAFFING STUDY, I ACTUALLY HAVE A DIRECT QUESTION, PLEASE, OF MARY GOURLEY.

DO YOU FEEL THIS IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT OR DO YOU FEEL DELAYING IT TO MIDYEAR WOULD BE EQUALLY HELPFUL?

I THINK DELAYING IT TO MIDYEAR WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE WE ARE

BRINGING BACK THE PUBLIC WORKS, ENGINEERING, AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING THROUGH CONSOLIDATION. IT COULD BE DELAYED UNTIL MIDYEAR REVIEW.

I AM GOING TO PROPOSE $IO,OOO STAFFING STUDY, LET'S SEE IF EVERYONE IS FULLY IN SUPPORT OF IT. OKAY, HOW ABOUT DELAYING IT? OKAY. FOR MIDYEAR, THUMBS UP ON DELAYING THE $I O,OOO AMOLTNT? BRING IT BACK, TO BE SET ASIDE THE MONEY AND BRING IT BACK AT MIDYEAR? THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HAPPEN?

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT SET ASIDE BECAUSE OF SOMETHING HAPPENS

IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN BRING AN ITEM BACK TO THE COUNCIL SAYING

WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT BEFORE THEN, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I WOULD LIKE

TO HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET AND WE REVIEW IT AGAIN AT MIDYEAR AS A

PLACEHOLDER AND IF YOU ARE WITH IT, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD AT THAT TIME.

LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT 4-1, AND THEN CIRA, $2400 FOR CIRA?
COUNCILMEMBER? LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT LINANIMOUS THERE. ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, WE ARE ON TO PLANNING. CAN WE HAVE THE SLIDE UP? THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS TO PLANNING. WE HAVE THREE ITEMS HERE, THE $9I,8OO AMOLTNT. IN THIS PLANNING DISCUSSION, EMBEDDED A DISCUSSION REGARDING FLINDING FOR TI{E COMBINED PLANNING COMMISSION AND DRV. AND THE REDUCTION OF SERVICES TO CLIMATE ACTION AND THE PUBLIC ARTS COMMITTEE, I BELIEVE? JUST A MOMENT, BUT I JUST WANT TO

CLARIFY, THE LINDERSTANDING AT THE MOMENT IS THAT THIS BUDGET DOES NOT INCI-UDE FUNDING THAT WOULD ALLOWED TF{E COMMITTEES TO '

CONTINUE TO BE SUPPORTED IN THE WAY THEY ARE SUPPORTED NOW, IS THAT GROUP -- TRUE?

I THOUGHT WITH ALL THIS, DON, YOU ARE GOING TO BRTNG THIS BACK AT SOME POINT? FOR AN AGENDA ITEM WHEN EVERYTHING WAS FULLY BAKED, RIGHT? THAT WAS MY READ ON ALL OF THIS, SO HOURS WOULD BE COMBINED OR ARE WE DELAYED? WE HAVE EXTRA MONTHS OR WHATEVER, I DID NOT THTNK WE WERE DISCUSSING ALL OF THAT.

THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION, VICE MAYOR, TO EXACTLY VERIFY THAT. TO THE EXTENT THAT THE FLINDING IS IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE CONTINUATION OF CURRENT SUPPORT. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD ALLOW THE DISCUSSION TO HAPPEN LATER ON.

IT SEEMS TO BE TI{E DOG -- THE TAIL WAGGING TFIE DOG. HOW DO WE TFIEN

DECIDE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO REDUCE SERVICES IF WE DON'T HAVE MONEY IN T}IE BUDGET THAT ALLOWS US TO MAKE THAT DISCRETIONARY DISCUSSION? WHAT IS THE FLINDING IN TFM, BUDGET NOW, WOULD ALLOW

SUFFICIENT FTINDING TO CONTINUE THESE GROUPS AS THEY EXISTNOW WITH THE SAME LEVEL OF SUPPORT? IF THE ANSWER IS YES, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION TODAY.

CAN I ASK YOU TO COME TO THE PODIUM? WOULD YOU PLEASE COME TO TI{E PODIUM OR THE TABLE?
wE ARE GOrNG TO ASK YOU TI{AT QUESTION. SO YOU KNOW.

THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND IF I AM INCORRECT, I ASKED DAVID TO CORRECT ME. FOR NOW, WE CAN CONTINUE WITH WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING, FOR NOW. BUT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IN TFIE RELATIVELY

NEAR FUTURE, AT LEAST TONIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO GET A SENSE OF

DIRECTION FROM THE COLINCIL OF WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH

THESE ITEMS AND BRTNG BACK SOMETHING MORE FORMAL WHEN WE ARE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.

CITY MANAGER,I WOULD LIKE THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION, IS THERE FUNDING THAT WOULD ALLOW? THE PROPOSED BUDGET, DOES IT INCLUDE

SUFFICIENT FTINDING TO ALLOW CONTINUATION OF THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT THAT THOSE COMMITTEES CURRENTLY INSURED?
HE KNOWS THE ISSUE BETTER TI{AN I DO.

AS WE PUT TOGETHER THIS PROPOSED BUDGET, WE LOOKED AT TRYING TO FREE UP STAFF TIME. REALLOCATE STAFF TIME SO THAT STAFF COULD FOCUS ON REIMBURSABLE WORK. AS YOU SEE HERE, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED TI{E OPPORTUNITY FORABOUT $9I,8OO IN REIMBURSABLE WORK. BY FREEING UP STAFF TIME BY REORGANIZING TI{E COMMITTEE'S. BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS.

DAVE, I'M SORRY, IT'S 8:45, BUT I REALLY JUSTNEED TO KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE JUSTIFICATION, BUT REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHETI{ER,

CURRENTLY, IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, TFIERE IS SUFFICIENT MONEY TO

COVER THE CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR TFIESE COMMITTEES OR, WHETHER, IN

FACT, THERE WAS A DECISION BY STAFF TO INSTEAD JUST PUT INTO THE PROPOSED BUDGET REDUCED AMOLINTS WITH TI{E HOPE AND EXPECTATION THAT THE CITY COLTNCIL WOULD SUPPORT REDUCED AMOLINTS? JUST NEED TO KNOW THE ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

IT WOULD MEAN DEFERRED WORK, IT WOULD MEAN THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, TI{ERE WOULD BE A NEED TO CONTRACT OUT, IN SOME CASES, TO PERFORM

WORKS ON CERTAIN PROJECTS AND OTHER PROJECTS WOULD BE SIMPLY DEFERRED.

SO IF WE, IN FACT, APPROVE THIS PROPOSED BUDGET AS IT EFFECTIVELY

SHIFTING THOSE AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO OTHER INTERESTS AS HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED HERE? I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES, I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST.

IT IS YES.

THE ANSWER IS, AS CURRENTLY OR PROPOSED, I THINK WE ALL

UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE, BUT AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, THE BUDGET WOULD SUPPORT THE SHIFTING OF TI{ESE RESOURCES TO DO THESE OTHER PROJECTS, THE $91,8OO IN THESE EFFORTS THAT ARE DESCRIBED THERE AND,

TFIEREFORE, IN ORDER TO COVER THOSE EXPENSES, SHIFTING AWAY FROM THE CURRENT SUPPORT FOR THESE COMMITTEES? IS THAT ACCURATE?

THAT'S THE QUESTION I WANTED ANSWERED AND I THINK THAT ANSWERS -- TTL{T CLARIFIES WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE AND I CAN EXPRESS MY OPINION

ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO CLARIFY AND SO, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BUDGET COMMITTEE?

YEAH, THIS IS A REALLY HUGE ISSUE TO BE DECIDED ON AND I THINK IT IS A

LOT TO ADDED IN WITH THIS BUDGET DISCUSSION TONIGHT, SO I WANT TO --

I WANT TO AGREE WITH WHAT THE MAYOR IS TALKING ABOUT, WE WANT TO

BE SURE THAT THE MONEY IS THERE TO CONTINUE THESE BOARDS AS THEY

ARE UNTIL THE TIME THAT WE DECIDE AND VOTE AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE

TIME TO REALLY DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THTNK TONIGHT IS THE

RIGHT TIME TO DO IT,IT IS TOO BIG AND WE REALLY -- WE ALSO WANT OUR

PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, WE WANT OUR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD TO

WEIGH IN ON THIS AND I AM NOT COMFORTABLE JUST MAKING THIS

DECISION SO QUICKLY TONIGHT WITHOUT HAVING THE TIME AND SPACE TO REALLY DISCUSS IT, SO IT IS LTNCLEAR TO ME, THIS $91,000, SO THAT IS

BUDGETED IN HERE, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, MAYBE, --
BLESS YOU.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO DO ON THIS, ACTUALLY.

AND I HAVE A SUGGESTION, VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING AS BUDGET COMMITTEE? I'M SORRY, COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS?

I PERSONALLY THINK IT IS THE RIGHT TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT, WE ARE

TALKING ABOUT BUDGETS FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT AND WHETHER OR NOT

WE SHOULD PUT MONEY TOWARD LEADERSHIP AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT

STAFF, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT STAFF TIME AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

BUDGETS RIGHT NOW, SO I MEAN, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT DEFERRING

SERVICES AND PROJECTS AND WHATNOT BECAUSE WE ARE PUTTING STAFF

TIME TOWARD, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEES AND LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE

OTHER ENTITIES THAT WE WORK WITH, NONPROFITS, EVERYONE ELSE,I'M

NOT SURE WHY THIS IS A CARD OUT AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO DISCUSS EVERYTHING ELSE, AND IT IS PART OF THE BUDGET. IT IS

PART OF STAFFING, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT, PERSONALLY.

COLINCILMEMBER HINTON?
WELL, I AM SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE ALREADY

HAD SOME BRIEF DISCUSSIONS, I THINK, ABOUT THE PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION. I WOULD FEEL FINE WEIGHING IN ON THAT AND I WOULD

SUPPORT THEM GOING TO A QUARTERLY MEETING, I DON'T THINK IT TAKES AWAY FROM T}TEIR WORK. CLIMATE ACTION, I AM MORE HESITANT TO DO THAT WITHOUT THEM FIERE TO TELL US WHAT THEY WANT. BECAUSE THAT

IS AN OFFICIAL COLTNCIL COMMITTEE, IT WASN'T CREATED NECESSARILY BY

THIS COUNCIL, AS FIVE INDIVIDUALS, WE MIGHT HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS

ON THAT, BUT ALSO, IT SOLINDS LIKE IT IS UNCLEAR IF THEY WANT TO

CONTINUE WITH THE CITY AFFILIATION, SO I DON'T WANT TO PULL THE RUG OUT FROM ANDY -- ANYBODY. I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST SEE,IN THE BUDGET, MONEY FOR THAT TO CONTINUE I.INTIL WE CAN GET IT BACK ON THE DAIS SO WE CAN HAVE A FULL CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. WE MIGHT

BE ABLE TO DO THAT DEPENDING HOW THE OTHER ITEMS IN THIS PLANNING

BUDGET GO WITH OUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT IS ALREADY PLACED IN

TFMRE THAT THREE OF US COLTNCILMEMBERS HAVEN'T WEIGHED IN ON BECAUSE THEY ARE BRAND.NEW ITEMS. MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE THING AND THE MONEY IS JUST GOING TO BE THERE.

COLINCILMEMBER MCLEWIS?
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. KNOWING THAT, DAVID, YOU ARE

ALMOST FINISHED WITH YOUR INTERNAL -- I'M JUST WONDERING, AS FAR AS PLANNING, HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE WITH STAFF? IF WE ARE ALREADY

TALKING ABOUT WITH HAVING THE INTERIM HERE AND POSSIBLY DELAYING THINGS, HOW DOES THAT ROLL DOWNHILL? EVEN IF IT IS A MONTH OR TWO, THAT IS STILL DELAYING ITEMS.

WHAT YOU ARE EXPERIENCING NOW IS IN LARGE PART A REFLECTION OF TI{E TURNOVER WE HAVE HAD. SHE LEFT, DAVID CAME IN, PART.TIME WHILE THERE WAS PART.TIME HOURS. WE THINK WE I{AVE AN INTERIM PERSON ON A CONTRACT BASIS AND WE ruST NEED TO GET THE PAPERWORK SIGNED, ESSENTIALLY, TO START NEXT WEEK, PART-TIME UP TO 30 HOURS A WEEK, PROBABLY CLOSER TO THREE DAYS A WEEK. WE HAVE A A COUPLE OF GOOD

CANDIDATES FOR THE PERMANENT POSITION, WE ARE STILL IN THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO GO. IS A VERY CHALLENGING POSITION TO FILL.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?

NO,I JUST WANTED TO HAVE AN LINDERSTANDING OF HOW SHORT-STAFFED ARE WE? YOU KNOW, HOW MANY HOURS ARE WE PUTTING INTO THIS, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT CLEAR.

THIS PART OF THE CITY HAS A LOT ON THEIR PLATE RIGHT NOW WITH THE

CANOPY PROJECT, THE PARLOR HOTEL, THE REGULAR DEVELOPMENT WORK AND THEN I'M SURE I AM MISSING A HALF A DOZEN THINGS OR MORE. SO THERE IS A LOT ON THIS GROUPS PLATE RIGHT NOW.

I'M ruST GOING TO SAY,I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH POSSIBLY DELAYING

A HOTEL OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BRTNG IN SIGNIFICANT REVENUE

BECAUSE WE HAVE STAFF AT CLIMATE ACTION, IT CERTAINLY COULD FLTNCTION AS A CITIZEN COMMITTEE, IN MY OPINION.

OKAY, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS HERE UNDER PLANNING, TTIERE IS

THIS ITEM THAT WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL ITEM ABOUT, DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND GRANTS. I AM GOING TO INVITE COMMENTS FROM

COLINCILMEMBERS ON THOSE TWO ITEMS, MAYBE, STARTING WITH BUDGET COMMITTEE? GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR.

SURE,I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COLTNCIL AND WE HAD TO DO

SOMETHING WITH OUR HOUSE AND IN THAT DISCUSSION,IT WAS CLEAR TO

ME THAT THE BEST WAY TO KEEP AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOUSING. THEIR CURRENT HOUSING. SO THAT WAS WHAT WAS ON

MY MIND AS FAR AS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE REMAIN IN THEIR

HOUSE AND THEY ARE NOT BOOTED OUT OR IT IS NOT SOLD OUT FROM

UNDERNEATH THEM OR OWNERSHIP HASN'T TRANSFERRED, ALSO,I WAS

VERY PERSUADED BY DAVID IN THE FACT THAT WHAT HE JUST SAID

TONIGHT WAS AT THE BUDGET HEARING AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOW BEING, APPARENTLY, NOT ruST US, BUT I GUESS STATE -WISE, BEING SCRUTINIZED BY HCD, RIGHT? AND IT IS LIKE, THESE -- IMPLEMENTING THESE 2T WOULD SIGNAL TO THEM THAT WE ARE VERY ON TOP AND WE ARE NOT

GOING TO GET DINGED OR PUT ANYTHING IN JEOPARDY BECAUSE I AM

GOING TO VOTE FOR WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE ARE

WELL POSITIONED TO GET OURNEXT HOUSING ELEMENT DONE WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH NO DINGS.

OKAY, COLINCILMEMBER MAURER? I THOUGHT I SAW YOU WANTED TO WEIGH IN?
YES,I DO SUPPORT THE $22,OOO FOR MONITORING OF AFFORDABLE RENTAL

HOUSING UNITS FROM THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING FUND, I DO NOT SUPPORT THE $5O,OOO FOR THE MONITORING OF OWNERSHIP HOUSING UNITS BECAUSE -- HOW MANY DO WE HAVE IN THIS TOWN? I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE OVER lOO HOUSES THAT WERE AFFORDABLE, DEED RESTRICTED

AFFORDABLE, AND THEN HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY BE FOR SALE IN A YEAR? SO MY SUGGESTION WAS TO HAVE THAT WORK DONE BY STAFF IN-HOUSE. AND TF{EN,IF YOU LOOK AT, THERE IS A DOCUMENT

SENT TO US ON HOUSING AND LAND TRUST OF SONOMA COLINTY AND THEY

ARE THE ONES WHO ARE OFFERING TO DO TFIE ADMINISTRATION OF THE

HOME BUYER PROGRAM AND THE SERVICES THEY ARE PROVIDING OUR WAY BEYOND TFIE OVERSIGHT OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO IT IS

EDUCATION AND THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THIS, DAVID SENT IT TO ALL OF US. I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE TIME GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT,I DIDNOT SUPPORT THE $5O,OOO PER THANK YOU, COI.INCILMEMBER HINTON?

OUR FORMER PLANNING DIRECTOR WANTED TO DO THIS, SHE WENT OUT AND GOT A PROPOSAL. THERE IS A SONOMA COUNTY CIVIL GRAND JURY

THAT INVESTIGATED PROCEDURES AND MONITORED AND LOOKED AT ALL

NINE CITIES IN SONOMA COUNTY AND HOW WE ARE MONITORING THIS, BASICALLY, ALL NINE CITIES OR MOST ARE RELYING ON SELF REPORTING.

ACCORDING TO TTM SONOMA COUNTY GRAND JURY. SO AS OUR SMALLEST

CITY AND OUR FISCAL CRISIS, THERE IS JUST NO WAY I FEEL LIKE WE CAN AFFORD THIS THIS YEAR. I LINDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE

COULD AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO IT SOMETIME, BUT I THINK THAT

MOST CITIES IN SONOMA COLTNTY ARE RELYING ON SELF REPORTING AND

ASSISTANCE WITH LEGAL AID AND I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF SPENDING $72,OOO FOR A MONITORING SYSTEM THIS YEAR. AGAIN, IT'S

ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS, I'M NOT GOING TO RACK UP OUR DEBT TO ADD THIS TO OUR PLAN FOR THIS YEAR. I ruST DON'T THINK IT IS THE RIGHT TIME.

COLTNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS?

I ABSOLUTELY LTNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF MONITORING, BUT

MONITORING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THIS DOESN'T SEEM VERY
AFFORDABLE. I AM JUST SAYING, I MEAN,I THINK FOR THIS YEAR, I AM

GOING TO ECHO COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, I JUST -- I AM ALWAYS VERY

CONSERVATIVE AT THIS STUFF, BUT RIGHT NOW, I JUST THINK THAT ONE

MORE YEAR OF SELF REPORTING AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NOT A

LOT OF HOMES TO RENT OVER HERE, I HAVE A REAL ESTATE LICENSE, I

KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND I AGREE WITH COLINCILMEMBER MAURER AS FAR AS THE TURNOVER. I HESITANTLY SAY THAT I DON'T THINK I CAN

SUPPORT IT FOR THIS YEAR, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO REASSESS WHEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE MONIES.

DAVID, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO CONTzuBUTE? I STILL HAVE TO WEIGH IN, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE LEANING IN TO SAY SOMETHING. I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A POSSIBILIry THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO -- THE $5O,OOO.- THE SEVENTH $2OOO AMOLTNT

FOR MONITORING IS NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY GET A SUPPORTING VOTE HERE, BE CLEAR ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES. PENALTIES, I MEAN, BE CLEAR WITH US.

AS INDICATED, A LOT OF SMALLER COMMUNITIES DO SELF-MONITORING T}IAT IS TRUE. ON THE OTHER HAND, STATE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY

DEVELOPMENT HAS A NEWER ENFORCEMENT BRANCH AND THEY ARE

LOOKING VERY CAREFULLY AT MONITORING AND THE IDEA, AS STATED IN

THE CITY'S HOUSING ELEMENT, YOU WANT TO RETAIN YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING LTNITS. BOTH THE CDC AND THE HOUSING LAND TRUST WOULD

WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO ASSURE THAT, AS RENTALS AND

OWNERSHIP LINITS ARE TRANSFERRED, TTIAT THE RESIDENCE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR INCOME IN THOSE UNITS. AND THAT, I THINK, WOULD BE VERY SUPPORTED BY HDC AND THE REVIEWERS. EVERY YEAR, YOU HAVE TO DO AN ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT. THEY WILL BE LOOKING VERY

CAREFULLY AT, WHAT ARE YOU DOTNG TO ASSURE THAT YOU ARE MAINTAINING YOUR INVENTORY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING TINITS? OKAY. THANK YOU, I THINK YOU ARE BASICALLY REITERATING THE POINTS YOU MADE EARLIER, WHICH I APPRECIATE. AND I THINK THAT COI.INCIL CAN TAKE THOSE INTO ANYTHING, BEFORE WE MOVE ON?
ONE MORE THING,IN TERMS OF COI.INCILMEMBER MAURER, THE PROPOSAL

WE WERE SAVTNG -- RECEIVED FROM THE HOUSING LAND TRUST, THAT WAS KIND OF A BROAD DESCRIPTION OF SERVICES. THE INTENT WOULD BE, IF THE

CITY WOULD GO FORWARD AND SAY, YES, WE WANT A FORMAL SCOPE OF

WORK, THEY WOULD MODIFY THAT TO THE PARTICULAR NEEDS OF THE CITY OF SEVASTOPOL. THAT WAS A OVERVIEW THAT THE FORMER DIRECTOR RECEIVED, IT WOULD BE REFINED.

THANK YOU. WEIGHING IN ON THIS ITEM, I AM NOT WILLING TO APPROVE

ANY BUDGET PROPOSAL THAT ELIMINATES, REDUCES FTINDTNG FOR OUR CURRENT COMMITTEES. CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE, PLANNING

COMMISSION, I AM NOT WILLING TO REDUCE FLINDING FOR CLIMATE ACTION

COMMITTEE OR PUBLIC ARTS COMMITTEE FOR DRV, FOR PLANNING

COMMISSION, FOR CHANGES THAT WOULD REDUCE THE SUPPORT THAT THEY ARE GETTTNG. I CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING ] THERE MAY BE SOME

AREAS OF DISAGREEMENT OR AGREEMENT BUT I DON'T FEEL I HAVE THAT IN

FRENEMY AND I AM NOT WILLING TO MAKE CHANGES, IN TERMS OF

FUNDING THAT I AM FULLY WILING, AT SOME POINT, A LATER POINT TO OPENLY CONSIDER ANY SUGGESTIONS FROM STAFF ABOUT THOSE CHANGES.

IN TERMS THE 5O,O2O 2OOO,I THINK I WOULD SPLIT IT,I COULD SEE SUPPORTING THE 22,OOO FOR THE RENTAL HOUSING UNITS WHICH IN MY

WORLD ARE WHAT IS REALLY PRECIOUS WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY, THERE 390 ONE OF THEM AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RENTERS IN THIS COMMLTNITY

THAT ARE SUFFERING, WE DO NOT HEAR FROM AND I FEEL DO NOT HAVE A VOICE WHEN THEY SHOULD. TI{E 5O,OOO FOR THE OWNERSHIP HOUSING

UNITS, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT BUT I AM LISTENING TO MY PEERS AND I AM

NOT COMFORTABLE ALLOCATING THE MONEY FOR THAT, THAT IS
SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COME BACK TO US. SO,IN TERMS OF THE BIG DOLLAR ITEM,9I,8OO, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT IT DOES NOT REDUCE FT]NDING, CURRENTLY, FOR OUR COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS. I AM NOT SURE WHERE THE NUMBERS LEAVE US ON THAT BECAUSE IT IS UNCLEAR TO ME WHAT MONEY WOULD BE NEEDED. THAT IS

MY POSITION ON THESE ITEMS AND I THINK I WOULD ASK STAFF HOW YOU

WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT, WHAT WOULD BE A PROPOSAL THAT STAFF, AS A THINK ABOUT THIS $91,800 AMOL]NT, ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO SET ASIDE A PLACEHOLDER FOR THE AMOUNT,91,8OO, WITH A SUBJECT TO A LATER STAFF

REPORT BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHERE OPTIONS ARE LAID OUT FOR THE 9I,8OO BEING ALLOCATED TO THESE EFFORTS AND WHERE WE ARE INFORMED, WHAT IMPACT THAT MIGHT HAVE ON OUR COMMITTEE SUPPORT.

SO, THAT WOULD BE ONE IDEA, PLACEHOLDER FOR THE $91,800 BUT WE

CONTINUE THE COMMITTEE WORK LTNCHANGED LINTIL TFIE STAFF COMES BACK WITH A FULL REPORT. I WOULD ASK THE STAFF WHETHER THAT IS WORKABLE?

I WOULD SAY WE CAN GIVE IT OUR BEST SHOT AND WE CAN ASK THAT THE

COUNCIL IS OPEN TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT WE BRING THESE BACK ONE OR TWO AT A TIME. MEANING THAT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A

PACKAGE DEAL WITH ALL THREE, EACH COMMITTEE HAS ITS OWN ROLE IN THEIR OWN DYNAMICS AND MAYBE THEIR OWN EXPECTATIONS AND NEEDS.

I ruST WANT FLEXIBILITY THAT IF WE ARE READY TO BRING PUBLIC ARTS

BACK WE CAN BRING IT BACK WHEN YOU'RE READY TO BRING PUBLIC ARTS BACK AND THAT MARY NOT BE WILL TO BRING BACK THE OTHER TWO.

WHAT DOES THIS DO IN TERMS OF THE REVENUE, TFIE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND GRANTS, TO COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS'S QUESTION? BY CONTINUING TIIE FI.INDING FOR THE COMMITTEES, DO WE IN SOME WAY JEOPARDIZETHE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND THE GRANTS?

I THINK WE DO PUT SOME OF THAT REVENUE AND REIMBURSEMENT AT

REST BUT DAVID, THIS IS TIME FOR REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER, IF YOU COULD.

IS THE IDEA OF LOOKING AT SAY RENTAL VERSUS OWNERSHIP HOUSING IS

MAYBE YOUR SUGGESTION AND FOCUSING ON FLTNDING THE MONITORING OF RENTAL HOUSING. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MAY GO THAT DIRECTION.

AT THIS TIME. BUT IN TERMS OF THE COMMITTEES AND THE STAFF TIME, THE

ISSUE REALLY IS THE AMOLINT OF STAFF TIME, THREE STAFF MEMBERS ARE DEDICATING TO TFIE BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS, OVER 2OO

HOURS CURRENTLY OF THE STAFF TIME IS BEING DEDICATED TO SUPPORT THOSE COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS.

DAVID, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THERE IS A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT BUT I AM SAYING AS A COIiNCILMEMBER, IF I AM NOT

PREPARED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THE COMMITTEES AND

COMMISSION, DO YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD ALLOW STAFF TO GO FORWARD ON TF{E DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, DO YOU HAVE A
COUNTERPROPOSAL?
WELL AT THIS TIME , THE STAFF CAPACITY IS EXTREMELY LIMITED.

OKAY.

WFIAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS TO FREE UP STAFF CAPACIry . WE'VE GOT TWO GRANT PROJECTS, THE SDG, WE'VE GOT THE PDA GRANT.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IT IS THAT IT IS WHAT ARE THE OTHER? YOU NEED STAFF CAPACITY TO ADDRESS THESE PROJECTS.

I'M GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL. VICE MAYOR?

I WILL BE BRIEF, MY ISSUE IS THE FACT THAT I DID GET THE

UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BRTNG THIS BACK, DON, THE

STAFF REPORT AS SOON AS YOU COULD AFTER YOU TALKED WITH DAVID AND THE COMMITTEES AND GIVE THEM NOTICE. MY ISSUE NOW IS NOTICE. I

DON'T WANT TO BE MESSING AROLTND WITH THEIR OPERATION BECAUSE AS MAYOR SAID , THEY ARE NOT IIERE, WHY WOULD THEY BE HERE? IF THEY

THOUGHT THEIR PROGRAM WOULD BE FACING -- LET ME FINISH, MY WHOLE ISSUE HERE IS NOTES. I SUGGEST THAT BASED UPON WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING DIRECTOR HAS SAID, THIS IS AN URGENT THING. PUT THIS ALL

TOGETHER IN A STAFF REPORT AND GET IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA AND WE

CAN DO IT, AT LEAST THAT WAY I WIL HAVE PEACE OF MIND THAT THESE PARTICULAR ENTITIES HAVE HAD NOTICE. LIKE AT LEAST TWO WEEKS TO

COME AND LIKE ORGANIZE AND SAY YOU WANT TO NOT HAVE US DO IT

EVERY WEEK OR EVERY TWO WEEKS OR EVERY MONTH, JUST NOTICE IT, THAT IS MY THOUGHT.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MAURER.

I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THE MAYOR'S COMMENT ABOUT TI{E MONEY, TI{E 91,800, PUT THAT AS A PLACEHOLDER AND THEN BRING IT BACK WITH A FULL STAFF REPORT ON THE ISSUE. WENEED MORE TIME TO DISCUSS IT.

I'M SORRY, COLINCILMEMBER MCLEWIS, THEN WE ruST NEED TO VOTE .

I ruST WANT TO SAY WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT HEAD HERE TELLING US RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE ISSUES AND I L]NDERSTAND YOU ARE SAYING BRING IT UP THE NEXT MEETING BUT I WILL LINFORTLTNATELY NOT BE HERE.

I HEAR YOU AND AS WE SIT FIERE AND LOOK AT ALL OF THIS, HERE WHAT

YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT NOTICE BUT I SEE ON ZOO, CLIMATE ACTION PEOPLE ON THERE, THEY ARE HEARING. I JUST HEAR THAT 2OO HOURS OF

STAFF TIME, WE ARE SHORT ON STAFF, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE

GOT REQUESTS FOR STAFFING STUDIES AND ALL OF THIS AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY TALKING ABOUT HOW WE ARE WORzuED ABOUT PEOPLE

DOING THREE JOBS BUT WE ARE HEARING PLANNING TELLING US THAT TTMY

ARE SHORT STAFFED AND DO NOT HAVE TIME AND THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE, EVERYBODY ON THERE IS A SUPERSMART. I DON'T

LINDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED TO HAVE STAFF THERE ALL THE TIME TO

HOLD THEIR HAND AND WHY WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT WHEN WE ARE

HEARING HER OWN DEPARTMENT HAD TO SAY THAT WE ARE SHORT STAFFED AND DO NOT HAVE IT. I JUST DON'T LINDERSTAND WHY EVERYBODY ELSE IS NOT HEARING IT. I KNOW IT IS A PERSONAL

CONNECTION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, FEELING ANGST OVER THIS

BUT I AM HEARING THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH STAFF, WE HAVE HOTEL

THAT WANTS TO GO, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THTNGS, MONEY GENERATING

ITEMS THAT WE NEED, THAT IS ALL WE TALK ABOUT, WE ARE NICKELING

AND DIMING EVERYTHING AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I HEAR YOU AND I THINK IT IS A SHAME WE ARE NOT ADDRESSING IT MORE. WE ARE TALKING

MORE ABOUT DEPARTMENT BUDGETS RIGHT NOW AND THAT SEEMS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME BUT I ruST DON'T THINK, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMMLiNITIES, NONE OF THEM ARE HERE TO DON'T LINDERSTAND WHY WE ARE NOT MARING THIS DEPARTMENT HAD RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU, COLTNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS. I WILL CALL FOR A COUPLE OF FINAL COMMENTS AND T}IEN WE ruST NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, DO HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? THEN I THINK COI.INCILMEMBER MAVERICK.

I MEAN ON ONE HAND I AM JUST LOOKING AT THE MONITORING'S AND

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO ELSE IS PAYING FOR MONITORING IN SONOMA COUNTY AND ALL I CAN FIND OUR BIG CITIES. ON THE OTHER HAND WE ARE

NICKELING AND DIMING OVER, I MEAN I THINK IT IS FAIR TO GIVE

COMMITTEES A FORMAL NOTICE, NOT JUST THEM MARING BUT IF WE JUST

KIND OF WORKED IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS IT PROBABLY WOULD BE FINE AND ALL KIND OF WORK OUT. I DON'T KNOW. I ruST FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES WE ARE FOCUSED ON TI{E WRONG THINGS, THAT IS MY OPINION.

OKAY. I THINK WE FIAVE ALL MADE OUR OPINIONS KNOWN HERE. SO,I'M TRYING TO FIND WHETHER THERE IS A CONSENSUS ON ANY OF THESE. I'M $9I,8OO AMOLINT,I AM HEARTNG TWO RESULTS SUPPORTED I{ERE BY COLTNCILMEMBERS. ONE, WOULD BE I THINK IS TO ALLOCATE THE 91,800 TWO

DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND GRANTS AND IN THIS MEETING, REDUCE SERVICES TO THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES. THE OTHER PROPOSAL WOULD BE

TO CONTINUE TFIE SUPPORT FOR THE COMMITTEES, AS CURRENTLY SUPPORTED AND THAT WOULD BE TI{E FOUR COMMITTEES WE HAVE DISCUSSED AND I AM HEARING THAT THE 91,8OO IS TI{E AMOUNT THAT

WOULD CONTINUE FOR THE YEAR, CONTINUE SUPPORT FOR THOSE COMMITTEES, AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY SUPPORTED. SET ASIDE, AS A PLACEHOLDER, 91,8OO IN THE BUDGET. SUBJECT TO A FUTURE FINAL DECISION BY THE CITY COUNCIL, ON WHETHER THAT 91,800 SHOULD BE

ALLOCATED TO DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND GRANTS, OR SHOULD

INSTEAD ALL OR A PORTION CONTINUE TO BE DESIGNATED TOWARD SUPPORTING OUR COMMITTEES. THAT I THINK ARE THE TWO PROPOSALS, IS THATNOT?
I THINK ITNEEDS TO BE SIMPLER. BASICALLY KEEP IT AS A PLACEHOLDER,

JUST KEEP THE AMOTINT AS A PLACEHOLDER SUBJECT TO WTIEN TFIE GM

COMMUNICATES WITH ITS PLANNING DIRECTOR ABOUT WHAT IT IS

SPECIFICALLY WE NEED TO KNOW FROM THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS AND THAT WE CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION. I WOULD WANT TO KEEP IT AS A PLACEHOLDER.

BUT ALLOW SUPPORT FOR COMMITTEES TO CONTINUE AS IS?
LINTIL A GENERAL MANAGER BRTNGS IT BACK IN A STAFF REPORT, YES.

OKAY. I THINK THOSE ARE TI{E TWO OPTIONS ON THAT ITEM. I AM GOING TO

ASK FOR A THUMBS-UP ON THE JUST GO WITH THIS PLAN, WHO IS THUMBS-UP ON ALLOCATING THE 91,800,I AM SORRY, THE CITY MANAGER LOOKS CONFUSED.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY ALLOCATING 91,800.
91 8OO AS PROPOSED IN THIS BUDGET.

LEAVY ASSUMPTION ABOUT THE REVENUE AND THE REIMBURSEMENT AS IS IS WHAT YOU ARE, THAT IS WHAT I'M HEARING?

THE ONE OPTION AS I UNDERSTAND WAS PROPOSED IN THE PROPOSED

BUDGET IS THAT THE COMMITTEE SUPPORT IS REDUCED AND INSTEAD THERE IS 9I,8OO THAT IS ALLOCATED TO REIMBURSEMENT OF STAFF TIME

FOR REVENUE GENERATING WORK ON DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND GRANTS, THAT IS WHAT I TINDERSTOOD IS IN THIS PROPOSAL.

IT IS REIMBURSEMENT TO TFIE GENERAL FUND, BASICALLY. WHAT THEY

ARE SAYING IS BY REDUCING THE STAFF TIME TO COMMITTEES THEY WILL BE RECEIVING, THEY ARE ANTICIPATED TO RECEIVE THE 92, I THINK YOU ARE

SAYING THE SAME THING BUT IT IS JUST THE REIMBURSEMENT OF STAFF TIME TO THE GENERAL FUND. ONE OPTION IS TO LEAVE IT AS IS WHICH WOULD BE ASSUMING WE ARE GOING TO GET 92,OOO FROM A

REIMBURSEMENT IF THERE IS NO SUPPORT TO TTIE COMMITTEES BECAUSE

THEN THEY WILL BE WORKING ON DEVELOPMENT AND COUNCIL, OR THE OTHER OPTION OF WHAT I AM HEARING IS TO LEAVE TL'F.92 ASSUMPTION OF

RE-NUMBERS MEANT AS A PLACEHOLDER, CONTINUE THE CURRENT SUPPORT

FOR THE COMMITTEES AND COMMISSION, RETURN WITH AN AGENDA ITEM FOR FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION.

I THINK THOSE OF THE TWO OPTIONS AND WE ARE THE SECOND ONE AND I THINK YOU TWO ARE THE FIRST ONE. RIGHT? OKAY. I THINK WE HAVE GOT SUPPORT BUT OKAY, THE SECOND OPTION THUMBS-UP OR THUMBS DOWN? COLINCILMEMBER HINTON?

I WANT TO GIVE CLIMATE ACTION NOTICE BUT I WISH WE HAD ALREADY DONE THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THE MONITORING OF OWNERSHIP HOUSING UNITS,5O,OOO, OKAY, MONITORING OF HOUSING OWNERSHIP, THUMBS DOWN ON THAT, OKAY. THAT IS THE OWNERSHIP HOUSING LTNIT. THE MONITORING OF RENTAL HOUSING UNITS, 22,OOO, THUMBS-UP OR THUMBS DOWN? OKAY.

THAT MAKES IT,3-2. OKAY. IS THAT SUFFICIENT DIRECTION? I KNOW THAT WAS A COUPLE GET A DISCUSSION BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE ARE ON TO THE BUILDING SECTION AND I SEE THAT THERE IS

REVENUE INCREASED ITEMS, IF WE CAN MOVE TO THAT SLIDE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF REVENUE INCREASED ITEMS AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ITEMS TO APPROVE YOUR. IS THAT CORRECT?

SORRY DID NOT PUT THE NUMBER IN THE SLIDE, THE REVENUE INCREASES ARE ABOUT 1 MILLION.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT $IOO,OOO IN AS WELL.

THE REVENUE INCREASES 9OO,OOO FOR T}IE CANOPY PROJECT AND 1OO,OOO FOR GAVIN STEEN. 8OO,OOO FROM TI{E CANOPY PROJECT AND IOO,OOO FROM RAVEN STEEN COMMONS IS OUR EXPECTATION.

AND 4OO GENERIC, RIGHT? 4OO FOR MXED OTHER BUILDINGS.
4OO IS OUR NORMAL THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR WITH THE RAYS AND 8OO FROM CANOPY AND 1OO FROM GRAVENSTEEN COMMONS AND UNDERSTAND

THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE SOMEWHAT OF A GUESS BECAUSE, IT

COULD BE MUCH MORE THAN THAT OF CANOPY GOES AND BUILDS ALL OF

THEIR HOUSES THIS YEAR AND SELLS THEM RIGHT AWAY THEN IT WILL BE

MUCH MORE BUT THOSE ARE PRETTY CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN SO FAR.

OKAY , THANK YOU. JUST TO NOTE THERE IS AN INDICATION THAT THERE

WILL BE, THE EXPENSES WILL GO UP BY IOO,OOO IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE CANOPY PROJECT.
50,000.
5O,OOO AC FOR ASSOCIATED INCREASE IN EXPENSES TO COVER THE COST OF INSPECTIONS AND ALSO 5O,OOO TO ADDRESS TI{E ADDITIONAL BUILDING

RELATED EXPENSES SUCH AS REVIEW PLANS, PERMITS, ARE THOSE TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS? I AM LOOKING AT THE STAFF REPORT.

I AM HONESTLY CONFUSED. WE RAISED OUR CONTRACT ONLY BY 50 TOTAL.

IT SAYS THERE WILL BE AN ASSOCIATED INCREASE OF 5O,OOO IN EXPENSES TO COVER THE COST OF EXPENSES NEEDED FOR TI{E PROJECT AND THEN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL CONTRACT HAS ALSO INCREASED 5O,OOO, I SEE. THE

EXPENSES WILL GO UP AND WE NEED TO PAY MORE IN ORDER TO DO THAT WORK. ONLY 5O,OOO, YOU DON'T GET lOO,OOO.

BUT I WILL TAKE I OO IF YOU GIVE IT TO ME.

NOT HAPPENING. COLTNCILMEMBER MAURER ?
THERE WAS AN ISSUE OF A FLOODGATE FOR $1O,OOO, CAN YOU TELL ME, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ELIMINATING THE COST? WHERE DOES THAT STAND?

WE HAVE REQUESTED THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO

ELIMINATE THAT COMPLETELY, UNDERSTAND IT IS A FEDERAL

GOVERNMENT AND THEY DON'T MOVE QUICKLY, QUITE HONESTLY I WOULD BE SURPzuSED IF WE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

IS AN EXPENSE LINE ITEM FOR $1O,OOO, FOR FLOODGATES?
YES,IN TT{E CONTRACT SERVICES, THE SAME LINE ITEM OF THE PHILLIPS SEABROOK CONTRACT.

MAYBE WE WILL SAVE $1O,OOO.

WE VERY WELL MAY COME BACK MID-YOU TO TAKE THAT AWAY. STU AND I WOULD BE NICE. THq.NK YOU, I THINK WE ARE DONE WITH BUILDING AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CATEGORY, WHICH IS ENGINEERING.

ENGINEERING IS THE ITEM THAT HAS 163 THOUSAND DOLLARS SAVINGS AS A

RESULT OF CONSOLIDATING TWO POSITIONS, WE EXPECT TO GET THAT ITEM,

THE, APPROVAL OF THAT JOB DESCRIPTION, STAFF WOULD COME BACK TO TFIE CITY COUNCIL WHEN? MORE OR LESS?
ANTICIPATING AUGUST 6th.

OKAY, THIS POINT WE ARE APPROVING TTM ALLOCATION OF THAT MONEY FOR THE POSITION?
CORRECT.

WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST OF THE POSITION?

WE ARE REVIEWING THAT AS WE SPEAK BECAUSE WE ARE DOING A REVIEW OF OTHER CITIES AS WELL.

OKAY, $1 1,500 REDUCTION IN SHIFTING THE ENGINEERING CONTRACT, AND

A SHIFT OF THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CONTRACT FOR THE POLICE AND THEN $5OOO TO SUPPORT THE WASTE CONTRACT. IT SEEMS THERE IS AN

ADDITIONAL ELEMENT IN ENGINEERING THAT REDUCES SERVICES, ARE WE NOT CAPTURING THAT? IS THAT PART OF CONSOLIDATING THE TWO POSITIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO ASK COLTNCILMEMBERS, ANY ITEMS? I WILL START WITH OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE, ANY COMMENT ON TFIESE ITEMS? ANY COMMENT ON THESE ITEMS?
WE SUGGESTED THE ADDITION OF $5OOO SO THAT MONEY CAN FIELP US WITH THE GARBAGE SERVICES CONTRACTS, THAT WAS WHAT THAT WAS.

TTIANK YOU, VICE MAYOR?
I AGREE WITH ALL THIS IN THE 5OOO WAS COTINCILMEMBER MAURER'S IDEA

AND I AGREE ,

IF WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE FROM BEFORE WE SHOULD APPLY
IT MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS?
I THINK THAT WAS GENIUS THINKING, YES, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE . SORRY.

COLTNCILMEMBER HINTON ?
ALL GOOD.

OKAY, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY ON THIS IS TO EXPRESS SOME

CONCERN FROM THE PUBLIC AND I THINK IT IS REALLY A CONCRETE

EXPRESSION OF THE FISCAL SITUATION WE ARE IN, THAT BASICALLY WE ARE

REDUCING SERVICES, GHD, LOSING TIME WITH GHD IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR

PUBLIC AND THERE WILL BE DELAYS AND THE PUBLIC WILL NOT GET THE SERVICES THAT TI{E PUBLIC HAS COME TO EXPECT BECAUSE WE CANNOT AFFORD IT. SO, WE CANNOT AFFORD IT. THERE WE ARE. BUT I AM IN SUPPORT

OF ALL OF THESE ITEMS ON THE ENGINEERING LIST, THUMBS UP, EVERYONE IN SUPPORT? IS ANYBODY THUMBS DOWN ON ANY OF THESE? OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU. MOVING ONTO THE NEXT CATEGORY WE HAVE FIRE. ALL RIGHT WE HAVE FIRE, AD HOC AND BUDGET COMMITTEE. I WLL START WITH BUDGET COMMITTEE. ANY COMMENTS ON THE ITEMS FROM THE BUDGET COMMITTEE?

IT WAS DISCUSSED AS A TRIAL BASIS, SOMETHING --
THE PILOT PROGRAM.

I DIDN'T GET A LOT OF INFORMATION BUT I TRUST TT{E AD HOC TO DO

WHATEVER IT IS THEY DID AND I GUESS THAT IS HOW WE ENDED UP WITH THAT NUMBER IN THIS BUDGET. SO, I TRUST THEM, YES. I WILL SAY, IN

REFERENCE TO THE MAP YOUR NEIGFIBORHOOD, THAT IN MY MIND IS TIED TO THE $IOO,OOO TO BE DETERMINED AND THE FACT THAT I SERVE ON A

STATEWIDE CAL CITIES COMMUNITY SERVICES POLICY COMMITTEE AND

PART OF WHAT THEY EXPLAINED TO KEEP ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY SAFER IS TO RE-INSERT TF{E PROGRAM WE USED TO HAVE IN THE COLINTY FOR MANY

YEARS,IN THE CITY FOR MANY YEARS AND THEN THERE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT LIABILITY AND EVERYTHTNG ELSE. THERE IS A LONG BEACH FIRE CAPTAIN THAT SENT WITH TF{E GOOD SAMARITAN LAWS AND OTHER TYPES

OF LIABILITY REDUCTION, REDUCTION MEASURES, THAT THOSE TYPE OF

LIABILITY CONCERNS ARE FAR BELOW THE ACTUAL BENEFITS THAT THE

COMMLINITIES HAVE AND I BELIEVE OUR CHIEF HAS AGREED TO

COMMLINICATE WITH A LONG BEACH FIRE DEPARTMENTS THEY CAN DECIDE AND WEIGH IN ON THIS SHOULD THE ALLOCATED AMOLINT OF $l OO,OOO OF A

PLACEHOLDER WITH OTHER ITEMS TO DO A FULL ANALYSIS ABOUT WHETT{ER THIS COMMLINITY DOES NEED TO RE-INVIGORATE OR REDUCE THE

MAP YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BUT SOMEHOW TO DO AN ANALYSIS AND

REPORT BACK TO THE COUNCIL SO WE CAN MAKE A FORMAL DECISION BUT YES, THAT IS PART OF WHERE THE $IOO,OOO IS. ALSO TO BE ABLE TO INVEST IN

OUR NONPROFITS THAT DO SLIP AND FALL BECAUSE I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT 60% OF OUR FIRE CALLS ARE SLIP AND FALL RELATED. IT IS A

MATTER OF WORKING WITH THEM TO REDUCE THE RISKS, TO REDUCE THE WEAR AND TEAR ON OUR FIRE FOLK, TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THIS. PART

OF THAT MONEY IS ALSO TO GET OUR LOCAL HOSPITALS INVOLVED AND TO

REALIZE IT WOULD BE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO PARTNER UP WITH

MLTNICIPALITIES LIKE OURS THAT ARE STRUGGLING IN ORDER TO ALL WORK

TOGETHER TO REDUCE THE RISKS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND, THERE

WLL NOT BE WEAR AND TEAR OR CLAIMS ON SAFETY OFFICERS, ET CETERA, THAT IS A PART OF THE lOO,OOO DOLLARS AND I SUPPORT THAT.

THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON OR MCLEWIS, ANY COMMENTS? THERE ON THE AD HOC ,

IMPORTANT TO LISTEN TO THESE
COMMENTS.

GOING THROUGH THESE NUMBERS , FIRST OF ALL WE THINK, I DON'T WANT

TO SPEAK FOR BOTH OF US BUT WHERE WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS, AS FAR AS

THE STIPEND MONIES THERE, I SUGGEST THAT WE ACTUALLY HOLD THAT AS

A PLACEHOLDER BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK, WE ARE DOING

A STIPEND STUDY AND I ALSO WANT TO WORK WITH GOLD RIDGE TO GO

THROUGH THAT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BRTNG IT BACK FAIRLY SOON BUT I

THINK FOR NOW I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS A PLACEHOLDER, SO WE CAN

BETTER EVALUATE HOW WE PLAN TO UTILIZE OUR VOLLTNTEERS AND IN THE

STIPEND BUT THERE IS ALSO SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT WE BELIEVE WITH THAT EXTRA REMAINING 3OO,OOO, PROPOSING HIRING TWO

STAFF FIREFIGHTERS AND THAT WAY WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE FOUR

AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A RESPONSE ISSUE AND I THINK THAT IF WE WERE

ALL TO AGREE TO THAT WE COULD GET THAT IN THE WORK AND THAT WILL BE A POSITIVE FOR OUR ENTIRE COMMTINITY. IN ADDITION, DURING TIIAT

TIME WE WOULD DO THE STIPEND STUDY AND WORK WITH THE CHIEF, WHO

IS HERE, AND COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL AND AN OUTLINE OF HOW WE THINK WE CAN BETTER UTTLTZE OUR VOLLINTEERS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT

HELPS ANY, LET ME LOOK, AS FAR AS -- PROGRAM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT

AND I'M OF THE BELIEF THAT WHILE WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CONSOLIDATION AND WE ARE ASSESSING ALL OF TI{ESE THINGS, I AM NOT A AGAINST CERT BY ANY MEANS AND I'VE SPENT TIME WORKING IN THE E.R.

AS A RISK PONDER. I THINK PERSONALLY IT WOULD BE PREMATURE TO PUT

MONEY TOWARDS THAT RIGHT NOW AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT WE

SHOULD WORK TO THE CONSOLIDATION, FIGURE OUT WHERE WE HAVE CRACKS AND WHAT WE NEED TO FILL WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. ONCE WE

HAVE A CONSOLIDATION AND FIGURE THINGS OUT AND WHO IS COVERING

WHAT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT BUT I THINK IT IS EARLY TO DO THAT, GIVEN THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. I UNDERSTAND

THE VALUE OF MAP YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH

TFIAT WHATSOEVER BUT AS FAR AS CERT, THAT IS WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. I'VE WORKED WITH THE FOLKS BEFORE DURING ALL OF TI{E

FIRES AND I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE HERE RLINNING THE EVACUATION CENTERS. I AM A VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ALL THE STUFF BUT I THINK IT IS

PREMATURE, WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THAT ON THE FIRE AD HOC AND THAT IS MY OPINION I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THE FIRE? YES, AS COL]NCILMEMBER MCLEWIS HAS DISCUSSED, WE ARE , WE WOULD

LIKE PLACEHOLDERS BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE OUR INTENTION IS TO RECOMMEND TO BRTNG ON TWO FULL-TIME FIREMEN, FIREFIGHTERS, SORRY.

I ALWAYS DO THAT. USING THE MEASURE H MONEY AND TO REVIEW TFIE STIPEND MONEY. THE PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE CONTINUE TO REFER TO WAS TRIED OUT AND IT WAS NOT, WE WERE NOT FULLY AWARE OF IT WF{EN IT WAS STARTED. SO, IT DID COME UP WITH SOME GOOD FEEDBACK FOR US

THAT GAVE US THE IDEA THAT WE REALLY NEED SOMEBODY IN THE

FIREHOUSE THAT THEY CAN RESPOND TO, ESPECIALLY OVERNIGHT TO FIRES

AND EMERGENCIES MUCH MORE QUICKLY AND SO WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR THAT. I AM ALSO NOT SUPPORTIVE OF CERT IS

A PLACEHOLDER AT THIS TIME ,

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH CERT PROGRAM
TI{AT SEBASTOPOL HAD BEFORE AND WHILE WE GO THROUGH THIS

CONSOLIDATION PROCESS IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE WRONG IDEA AT THE WRONG TIME KIND OF THING. I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THAT TODAY.

OKAY. MY COMMENT ON ALL OF THIS IS THAT REDUCING SALARY FOR NOT FILLING THE FIRE CHIEF POSITION IS GREAT, SAVINGS. IN TERMS OF THE

CONTRACT EXPENSES FOR THE FIRE TO CONTRACT, CERTAINLY IN SUPPORT OF THAT, GETTING VALUE-ADDED THERE. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE $95,OOO FIRE CONSOLIDATION EXPENSE? IS THAT A SET EXPENSE, AN ESTIMATE, WHERE DOES THAT NUMBER COME FROM? ruST A BRIEF ANSWER FROM SOMEBODY.

THAT COMES FROM SEVERAL COMPONENTS. LET ME TAKE A QUICK LOOK.

ONE, POTENTIAL FOR AN OUTSIDE NEGOTIATOR OR FIRE EXPERT TO HELP US IN NEGOTIATING PROCESSES, WE HAVE $5O,OOO ITEM FOR THAT AND WE DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL NEEDED. AT THIS POINT I THINK WE PROBABLY WILL NOT NEED THAT MUCH. SOME COMMLINITY RELATIONS AROUND CONSOLIDATION FOR 15,OOO AND THEN OUR LAFCO COST FOR
CONSOLIDATION IS ABOUT 8O,OOO, SO ABOUT 95.

THIS IS A PLACEHOLDER, REALLY, IT IS MONEY SET ASIDE, YOU WOULD

LIKE TO HAVE THE MONEY SET ASIDE BUT, I SEE A LOT OF THIS IS MONEY

BEING SET ASIDE SUBJECT TO A FINAL REPORT OUT FROM THE FIRE AD HOC AND DIRECTION FROM THE FIRE AD HOC COMING BACK TO TF{E CITY COTINCIL, IS THAT ACCURATE?

WELL WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, WE HAVE 5O,OOO SET ASIDE AND WE DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL SPEND THAT, IN THAT INSTANCE WE WOULD HAVE TI{AT AS A PLACEHOLDER BUT THE FIRE

AD HOC WOULD BE RINGING THE ITEMS BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL, YOU KNOW OF TFM FUNDING ALLOCATION.

OKAY. WITH THAT BEING TERMS TI{E STIPEND AMOLTNTS, SOUND LIKE THE

SAME AMOTNT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE A PLACEHOLDER OF THE 8O,OOO, SUBJECT TO YOU COMING BACK?
LET ME CLARIFY,I THINK 5O,OOO IS A PLACEHOLDER BUT THE OTHER LAFCO FEES ARE FIRM, RIGHT?
I WOULD CONSIDER THOSE FIRM AND COMMITTED.

TIIE 5O,OOO WOULD COME BACK?
zuGHT. AS FAR AS THE 40 AND THE 40, WE ARE FULLY COMMITTED TO WORKING THROUGH THIS CONSOLIDATION WITH GOLD RIDGE AND WE ruST

WANT TO SPEND THE TIME THAT IS NEEDED TO ENSURE THAT HOW WE USE

TFIESE MONIES IS APPROPRIATE AND YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME AND IT SEEMS PRUDENT AND MADE SENSE TO ASK FOR IT.

NOW, HOLD IT AND WE CAN COME BACK FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND WE WILL BRING SOMETHING BACK FOR EVERYONE TO APPROVE. BUT WE ARE ASKING

TONIGHT,IF YOU ALL WOULD BE WILLING TO APPROVE USING THE MEASURE H MONEY, THAT WE KNOW WILL BE COMING THIS YEAR, 3OO K THAT FIAS AND SET ASIDE FOR HIRTNG TWO STAFF FIREFIGHTERS. THAT WOULD REDUCE THE

AMOUNT THAT WE NEEDED, THAT COULD POSSIBLY REDUCE STIPEND

MONEY, I AM NOT POSITIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT BUT WE ARE TRYING TO BE AS PRUDENT AS POSSIBLE BUT ALSO I]AVE ENOUGH STAFF SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND APPROPRIATELY.

I GUESS MY QUESTION ON THAT WOULD BE, WE STILL NEED AND I AM

REALLY HOPING WE WILL GET TO THE REPORT TONIGHT BUT WE STILL NEED

TO HEAR BACK FROM THE FIRE AD HOC AND THE FIRE AD HOC IS STILL DOING ITS DUE DILIGENCE. IS THERE A WAY, I WOULD BE HESITANT

TONIGHT, TO APPROVE THE HIRING EFFECTIVE OF TWO FIREFIGHTERS AND I

AM WONDERING,IT IS A POLICY DECISION THAT I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ON. I AM WONDERING IF THERE IS A WAY TO

REQUEST, TO REQUEST TFIAT THE FIRE AD HOC COME BACK TO ALLOCATE TFIE MONEY IN SOME WAY, IT IS ALREADY HERE PROPOSED, 3OO,OOO FOR MEASURE H, ALLOCATE THE TOTAL 8O,OOO FOR STIPENDS AS A PLACEHOLDER

WITH, SUBJECT TO THE FIRE AD HOC COMING BACK TO GET APPROVAL FOR WHATEVER THE OVERALL PLAN IS? I'M ARTICULATING IT? BUT THE POINT IS

TO HAVE THE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR YOU, HAVE YOU COME BACK AND GIVE

US A SENSE OF WHAT EXACTLY AND WHY THE MONEY SHOULD BE
ALLOCATED IN A SPECIFIC WAY. DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?
I UNDERSTAND THAT. WE HAVE BEEN JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THINGS BACK ON THE AGENDA. SO THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH RESPONSE AND THAT IS OUR CONCERN. IT IS REALLY UP TO

THE FULL BOARD BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE OUR AGENDA REVIEW

COMMITTEE, WE NEED TO GET IT BACK ON THE AGENDA SOONER VERSUS LATER. SO WE DO NOT HAVE A LACK OF RESPONSE.

I WANTED TO SAY, FOR ME TO SLEEP AT NIGHT, I ALWAYS CHOOSE PEOPLE OVER POLICY, YOU KNOW? THE IDEA THAT THERE COULD BE A TIME WHEN

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE RESPONDING, THAT IS YOU OR A FAMILY MEMBER WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY RESPONDING, THAT WOULD ruST BE

DEVASTATING AND EVERY DAY I THINK ABOUT THAT AND THAT IS WHY I WAS BRINGING IT UP TONIGHT THAT WE CAN BRING ON TWO FULL.TIME PEOPLE, HOW FABULOUS WOULD THAT BE? AND I FEEL LIKE WE COULD ALL SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING WE HAVE TAKEN CARE OF OUR COMMLINITIES.

THAT IS WHY I BRING IT UP. THAT IS MY MANTRA, PEOPLE OVER POLICY.

I GOT IT. COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ON THE FIRE, EXCEPT FOR THE IOO,OOO TO BE DETERMINED, ON THE BUDGET ON PAGE 84 IT SAYS THE USES WOULD BE TO ASK FLOOR CERT AND FALL PREVENTION. THIS IS WHERE VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND I DISAGREED, WE NEED TO GIVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT 10% OF THE BUDGET, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE AGREED ON. THE l OO,OOO WAS

SORT OF A PLACEHOLDER WITH LINDETERMINED USES BUT IT IS IN TFIE BUDGET IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT IS NOT THAT I DO NOT SUPPORT CERT

BECAUSE I WOULD BUT IT SEEMS, IOO,OOO SEEMS LIKE A LOT TO GET A

PROGRAM GOING AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THE FORMER FIRE CHIEFS HAD

GOTTEN A GRANT TO GET CERT STARTED IN SEBASTOPOL AND WE ARE ALSO FLINDING MEET YOURNEIGHBOR. FOR ME IT WAS CONFLICT. AND THEN THE

FALL PREVENTION, IN MY OPINION THAT WOULD FALL TO THE SENIOR CENTER.I WOULD SUPPORT, USING TI{E IOO,OOO, POSSIBLY FOR ONE STAFF,

INSTEAD, ACTUALLY THE WAY WE ENDED UP IS THAT WE WERE GOING TO

DEFER THE IOO,OOO TO THE FIRE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS AND BRING BACK TO THE COTINCIL. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AND IT IS WRITTEN HERE IN THIS. IT SAYS FRUIT USES TO BE DETERMINED. THAT WAS MY MEMORY. I WOULD SUPPORT USING TFIE IOO,OOO FOR SOMETHING ELSE THAN TFIE FIRE DEPARTMENT, MAYBE ONE STAFF.

HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE FACT THAT THAT WAS DEFINITELY NOT WHAT I

HEARD DURTNG HER BUDGET MEETINGS, THE FACT THAT THE IOO,OOO COULD

ALSO BE USED FOR A FIREFIGHTER AND I THINK WE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT, WE CAN HAVE PLACEHOLDERS FOR EVERY AMOLINT T}IAT IS THERE WITH

TFIE STAFF REPORT, BEFORE ALL OF US NOTICE TO GET THE SPECIFICS FOR

THAT BUT WHEN I MENTIONED THE IOO,OOO,IT IS NOT JUST FOR THE FIRE

RESPONSE AND SLIP AND FALLS, WE WILL HEAR FROM OUR POLICE CHIEF, TFIE AMOLINT OF CALLS THAT HE HAS, UPWARDS OF 5O%, IT IS NOT JUST

IMPACTING ONE DEPARTMENT BUT TWO, THE CARRYOVER IS A BIG ISSUE

FOR THE COMMUNITY AND IT IS IMPACTING THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET AND TFM POLICE BUDGET.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

YES.

THE 3OO NEEDS TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH CONSOLIDATION AND 3OO MORE FOR MEASURE H, ARE WE EXPECTING 3OO MORE THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED?

ESSENTIALLY A FEW HUNDRED HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOCATED, MEANING WE

HAVE A MEASURE H SPECIAL FTIND AND THAT IS SITTING AND NOT ALLOCATED AT THIS POINT.

OKAY.

THAT IS A 3OO WE ARE PROPOSING THAT IS SET ASIDE THAT WE UTILIZE FOR STAFF BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FIRST. I KNOW WE HAVE IS IOO WE ARE NOT

SURE WE WANT TO DEVIATE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUT I RECALL A

PUBLIC COMMENT READING, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FALLS BUT WE HAVE

RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE FALLEN IN IVES PARK AND TRIPPED OVER STUFF AND I'M ruST WONDERING, YOU KNOW,I

JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS A FAIR POINT, WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE BREAK THEIR ARM STRIPPING. THAT IS ALSO A TRIP AND FALL, IS IT POSSIBLE TO USE MONIES TO FIX THAT? JUST CURIOUS. IT WAS AN INTERESTING PUBLIC

COMMENT AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE MONEY CAN BE USED THAT WAY AS WELL?
I DON'T THAT WE CAN USE IT FOR THIS BUDGET .
ruST WONDERING.

I'M GOING TO TRY TO WRAP UP THIS ITEM. GO AHEAD COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, A COMMON?

I THINK CERT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT AND I AM IN FAVOR OF LEAVING

THAT AS A PLACEHOLDER IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET FOR THE

SUBCOMMITTEE TO PUT TOGETHER SOME NUMBERS AND BRING IT BACK, RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO, MY THOUGHT HERE IS THAT I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF APPROVING

THE FIRST ITEM WHICH IS REDUCTION IN SALARY, THE SECOND ITEM AS

PROPOSED, CONTRACT EXPENSES FOR FIRE CHIEF AND THEN SKIPPING DOWN TO THE I I,OOO TO CONTINUE THE MEET YOUR NEIGHBOR PROGRAM. I WOULD

BE IN SUPPORT OF APPROVING ALL OF THOSE AND WHAT I PROPOSE IS THAT TI{E REMAINING ITEMS OF WHICH THERE ARENUMEROUS,95,OOO,4O,OOO, 4O,OOO,2O,OOO, 1OO,OOO, BE SET ASIDE AS PLACEHOLDERS WITH THE FIRE AD HOC TO COME BACK TO TI{E COUNCIL WITH A FULL REPORT TO PROPOSE WITH THE INPUT OF THE FIRE CHIEF, WHICH I THINK IS A SUPER IMPORTANT.

HOW THOSE MONIES SHOULD BEST BE SPENT AND I WOULD ASK T}TAT TIIE SAME THING TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF THE 3OO,OOO FOR MEASURE H,I

UNDERSTAND AND SYNTHESIZE AND ACTUALLY REALLY APPRECIATE THE

SAFETY CONCERNS BEING EXPRESSED HERE REGARDING POSITIONS BUT I DO

NOT FEEL THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO

DECIDE WHETHER THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO SPEND THIS MEASURE

H MONEY AND THAT IS KIND OF HOW I WOULD FALL IN ALL OF THIS AND I

WOULD ASK AS A FOLLOW-UP TO OUR CITY MANAGER, WHETHER IT,I THINK I'M HEARING, I THINK COLINCILMEMBER MCLEWIS POINTED THIS OUT. THAT TI{ERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFICALLY ALLOCATED FOR LAFCO, MAYBE OUT OF THE 95,OOO AND SOTINDS LIKE 45,OOO,IT REALLY

WE NEED TO ALLOCATE TONIGHT FOR LAFCO FEES AND FOR SOME OTHER PURPOSE,IT WAS THE 5O,OOO THAT WAS A PLACEHOLDER. IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD LIKE TO JUST PUT THAT PROPOSAL OUT THERE. ALL OF THAT

MONEY IS A PLACEHOLDER WITH FIRE AD HOC TO COME BACK WITH A

PROPOSAL EMBEDDED BUYER FIRE CHIEF AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE FIRE

AD HOC WITH TIME TO CONSIDER IT BUT I WANT TO KNOW FROM OUR CITY

MANAGER, ICU COLINT NUMBER MAURER BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE FIRE CHIEF ALSO, IS THAT WORKABLE? IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? IS THAT BAD? WHAT ARE THE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES?

I DON'T KNOW OF ANY NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCE IS BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THAT TI{E 3OO,OOO HAS REAL CLEAR INTENTIONS BEHIND GREAT

FOR MEASURE H, DATA STAFFING, THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN OBJECTIVES

AND WHY TFIE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL HAS ALLOCATED TFIE MONEY THEY ARE ADVOCATING, TO ACHIEVE STAFFING. THERE WILL BE AN EXPECTATION BY TI{E TAXPAYER THAT AS THE REVENUE COMES AVAILABLE THAT WE MOVE TOWARD STAFFING. EVERYTHING IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS REALLY FLEXIBLE ORNEEDS TO BE FLEXIBLE BUT IT IS FOR THE PURPOSE OR TI{E

GOAL TO ACHIEVE THE STAFFING PLAN AND MODEL THAT WAS PROPOSED

THAT YOU GTIYS ALL, BASICALLY CHOSE AND WANTED TO GO THAT DIRECTION IN TFIE FIREHOUSE.

AZHAR FIRE CHIEF CURRENTLY, DO YOU FEEL IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT TFIE 3OO,OOO BE ALLOCATED TO STAFFINGNOW, TONIGHT?

NOT TONIGHT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY, WE ANTICIPATED TOWARDS THE END OF JANUARY.

THE FIRST PAYMENT I BELIEVE IS THE END OF JANUARY AND WILL COME SEVEN OR EIGHT MONTHS AFTER THAT.

TFM URGENCY OR THE ASK TO WHAT I WOULD CALL IS A STOP-GAP OF THE $4O,OOO AND TI{E ADDITIONAL $4O,OOO, NOT KNOWING WHEN WE HAVE THE

ABILITY TO STAFFING AT THE SAME TIME RECOGNIZING A REAL PROBLEM WITH OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT. THAT IS I BELIEVE

WHAT SPAWNED THE PILOT PROGRAM AND ULTIMATELY WIDE IS BEING

ASKED FOR NOW IS A STOP-GAP, FOR THE TIME THAT WE ARE ABLE TO STAFF APPROPRIATELY.

MY QUESTION IS, THE PROPOSAL THAT I MADE , THAT TTMSE DOLLAR

AMOLINTS BE SET ASIDE AS A PLACEHOLDER THAT THEY NOT BE SPENT UNTIL TFIE FIRE AD HOC COMES BACK TO PROPOSE,IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? TI{AT IS ACCEPTABLE, THERE IS SOME URGENCY BUT WE RECOGNIZE WE

NEED TO VET AND BETTER LINDERSTAND STIPENDS ON THE USE OF STIPENDS AND COME BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION.

WE HAVE NOT COMPARED NOTES BUT I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN RAISED.

WE HAVE NOT CONNECTED ON ALL OF THIS.

SO, ON THE 95,OOO I THINK WE NEED TO PLAN ON 3O,OOO FOR LAFCO BECAUSE

HE MADE A COMMITMENT BACK IN APRIL AND HE THINKS IS THE RIGHT AMOUNT AS BEST WE KNOW . THE I5,OOO FOR THE COMMLTNICATIONS,I THINK THE SAME, WE SHOULD PLAN ON THAT. 5O,OOO FOR CONSULTING ASSISTANCE,

I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO NEED THAT, ORIGINALLY AS WE WERE THINKING BUT WE WILL NEED IT FOR SOME ATTORNEY }IELP ON THE

CONSOLIDATION AND LTNDERSTANDING SOME OF TTM FINANCING ASPECTS OF IT AND TO ME THE 5O,OOO SHOULD BE AVAILABLE AND REALLY AT OUR

IMMEDIATE USE BECAUSE WE NEED TO START DOING SOME OF THIS WORK

LIKE RIGHT NOW, AROUND ANALYZING SOME OF THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS, LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA. I WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE TO COME

BACK TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE FULL COLTNCIL TO START ANALYZING SOME OF THESE ISSUES. IT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL INTENT BUT IT IS

SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO AND I WOULD RATHER PAY FOR IT OUT OF THIS BUDGET TI{EN PAY FOR IT OUT OF THE CITY GENERAL FTIND.IN A SENSE OF

WHAT MIGHT BE GENERAL FUND AND ORIGIN INSTEAD NEEDS TO BE SPENT ON FIRE. FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE FIRE FOLKS IS THAT $2O,OOO

FOR THE RADIOS IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE RADIOS THAT NEED TO BE IMPROVED QUICKLY.

YES.

I WOULD NOT WANT TO PUT THAT ON HOLD.

CORRECT.

OKAY BUT I HAVE A QUESTION. I AM CONCERNED, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET A REPORT FROM T}IE FIRE AD HOC THAT WOULD OUTLINE A PLAN FOR SOMETIME. IT SOLINDS LIKE YOU ARE HESITANT TO THE EXTENT THAT TI{E MONEY IS NOT ALLOCATED TONIGHT FOR RADIOS, THE RADIOS

WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE PURCHASED IN TIME AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THE 5O,OOO IS NOT ALLOCATED FOR A CONSULTANT, YOU CANNOT DO THE NECESSARY ATTORNEY OR OTHER INQUIRIES.

MAY I JUST ADD IN,I FEEL LIKE SOMETHINGS ARE KNOWN TONIGHT, THE RADIOS FOR EXAMPLE.

OKAY.

WE SHOULD INCLUDE THEM IN OUR BUDGET LIKE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

THE LAFCO FEE FOR EXAMPLE.

OKAY.

WE KNOW WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE TAX RATIO OF WFIAT AND LIKE DONNA NEEDS I{ELP GETTING THE CONTRACT DONE WITH GOLD RIDGE AND WE NEED THAT NOW. WE CANNOT REALLY WAIT ON THAT AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE WAITING FOR, WE MAY NOT NEED ALL THE 5O,OOO BUT WE ARE ASzuNG FOR AUTHORIZATION TO MOVE ON THAT. SO, THOSE THINGS, THE

THINGS WE NEED TO BRING BACK ARE THE STIPENDS, HOW WE RECOMMEND,

EVEN THOUGH WE WANT TO DO IT QUICKLY, THE FIREFIGHTER POSITION,

THOSE THINGS WE ARE SAYING, WE NEED TO VET MORE AND BRING BACK

THE FULL COLINCIL THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR APPROVAL ON SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE NEED. THE RADIOS NEED TO WORK.

YES. MAYBE I DID NOT SAY TI{E RIGHT WAY BUT YES. I CONCUR WITH WHAT YOU ruST SAID.

I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE PROPOSAL HERE TO BE 156,223 REDUCTION, 136 799 AND CONTRACT EXPENSES FOR FIRE CHIEF,95,OO2 FUND THE COSTS THAT

HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND REQUESTED BY THE FIRE AD HOC IN OUR CITY MANAGER WHICH WOULD INCLUDE 3O,OOO TO LAFCO, I5,OOO FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES, +5O,OOO FOR CONSULTANTS OF SOME KIND. AND THEN APPROVAL FOR 11,OOO ON THE MEET YOUR NEIGFIBOR AMOUNT AND THE 2O,OOO FOR THE

ESSENTIAL RADIOS, WITH THE SETASIDE, THE PLACEHOLDER BEING SO,OOO IN STIPEND AMOUNTS AND I THINK ALSO, lOO,OOO AS JUST A PLACEHOLDER, TO BE DETERMINED. AM I CAPTURING THAT? AND DID YOU FOLLOW THAT, MARY GURLEY?

I FOLLOWED IT BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE COLTNTS CORRECT BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET AMOUNT FOR ALL OF THE ITEMS.

LET ME GET COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS.

I WANT TO INCLUDE T}TE FACT THAT I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE 1I,OOO TO

CONTINUE TO MAP YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD UNLESS IT IS PUT INTO THE

GENERAL POOL BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED THE NEED FOR AN ANALYSIS OF

HOW MAP YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEASURES WITH CERT OR WHATEVER, I

AM FINE WITH PUTTING ALL OF THAT IN TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY I DON'T WANT SPECIFIC CALLOUT FOR MAP YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

LET'S JUST DO A THUMBS UP SENSE THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED.

LET'S DO A THUMBS UP ON THE WHOLE THING.

LET'S JUST GO DOWN, EVERYONE OKAY WITH THE REDUCTION? 136 799 TIIE FIRE CHIEF CONTRACT, EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT? THE 95,OOO INCREASE, IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT? THAT IS TO FLTND THE VARIOUS COSTS RELATED TO CONSOLIDATION. YES? OKAY. LTNANIMOUS. OKAY. SO, THE 4O,OOO FOR FIREFIGHTER EXPENSES TO EXPAND COVERAGE AND SHIFTING AN ADDITIONAL 4O,OOO FOR RETENTION OF FIREFIGHTERS TO EXPAND COVERAGE. I THINK WHAT WE ARE IM,ARING FROM FIRE AD HOC IS THAT

TFIEY ARE OKAY WITH A PLACEHOLDER FOR THAT AMOLINT, IS EVERYBODY IN SUPPORT OF THAT AS A PLACEHOLDER? TO COME BACK TO THE CITY COT]NCIL. OKAY. LET'S GO TO THE 2O,OOO INCREASE IN AGREEMENT TO

REPLACE ESSENTIAL RADIOS, THEY ARE SAYING WE NEED IT, THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN. OKAY. NOW WE ARE DOWN TO 11,OOO FROM YOUR
NEIGHBOR. THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN. OKAY. 4-1. DID YOU GET THAT? OKAY. lOO,OOO AS A LEASEHOLDER TO COME BACK TO THE CITY COLTNCIL FOR DESIGNATION OF USE, THUMBS UP? BUYER AD HOC? THUMBS UP ON THE

IOO,OOO TO COME BACK AS A PLACEHOLDER TO GO BACK TO CITY COLINCIL, ALL RIGHT.

CAN WE ADD TFIE LANGUAGE IN THE BUDGET, THAT IT IS TO BE DETERMINED.

YES. TFIE DETAILS PAGES DONOT SPECIFY PARTICULARLY THE $IOO,OOO USE IN ANY WAY, INSTEAD IT IS ruST THAT WE WILL HEAR ABOUT IT FROM THE FIRE AD HOC. OKAY. TFIEN A 3OO,OOO FORMEASURE H, DELPHIC WENEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON, CORRECT?
THAT IS CORRECT RIGHTNOW.

OKAY ANYTHING ELSE? ON FIRE.

WE ARE COMBINING 40 AND 40 .

YES. TO CLARIFY, THE TWO ITEMS, 4O,OOO INCREASE AND THE SHIFTING OF 4O,OOO FOR RETENTION. ALL RIGHT. NOW I WILL CHECK IN WITH THE COLTNCIL. WE STILL HAVE POLICE AND PUBLIC WORKS AND NONDEPARTMENTAL. WE ALSO HAVE SALES TAX TONIGHT WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO AND THE FIRE AD HOC REPORT. IT IS NOW 10 MINUTES TO I O.

WE CAN OF COUNSELORS AGREE STAY UNTIL THE VERY LATEST WHICH I THINK IS 11:30, THAT CORRECT? IF WE DO NOT I ruST WANT TO EXPRESS CONCERN, COUNCIL MEMBERS DO HAVE A RIGHT AT IO:30 AND THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR THAT, WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 4:OO, AND HE COUNCIL NEVER CAN DECIDE THAT WE ARE DONE WITH THE MEETING. HOWEVER

THAT LEAVES A REALLY ESSENTIAL DISCUSSION WHICH IS SALES TAX FOR

OUR NEXT COLTNCIL MEETTNG AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT HER NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WE ONLY HAVE THREE COLINCILMEMBERS. I AM HOPING THAT. I AM HOPING THAT ALL OF US WILL BE ABLE TO STAY TO ADDRESS

THE, SALES TAX ISSUE AND I KNOW WE ARE ALL TIRED, BELIEVE ME I AM TOO. BUT I WANT ALL OF US HERE FOR HOWEVER THE OUTCOME IS. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK. IS EVERYBODY OKAY STAYING LINTIL 1l:30? I KNOW. I KNOW.

I DID NOT SAY, ARE YOU HAPPY? ARE YOU OKAY? AND I REALLY, REALLY HOPE, THE FIRE AD HOC IS IT , DID WE GET TO THE FIRE AD HOC REPORT?

THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN ASKING BUT I DON'T KNOW BUT WE JUST HAVE TO

BUDGET, --
I THINK IT IS ESSENTIAL TO GET TO THE SALES TAX MEASURE. I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE WE SHOULD SET THIS ASIDE AND COME BACK TO IT. I HATE TO DO THAT.

A SUGGESTION HERE FROM, THE QUESTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER

MAURER IS WHETHER WE SHOULD SET ASIDE AT THE BUDGET DECISION AND ADDRESS SALES TAX AND COME BACK TO THE BUDGET. I THINK WE NEED TO DO BOTH. ARE YOU WILING TO STAY COLINCIL MEMBER MAURER? L]NTIL 11:30 ? OKAY, LET'S TRY TO DO IT FASTER, HOW IS THAT? OKAY, LET'S GO.

POLICE. WE ARE IN THE POLICE BUDGET. WE HAVE THAT SFIEET IN FRONT OF

US AND THANK YOU TO TTM FIRE AD HOC INTO OUR FIRE CHIEF, ALL STAFF IS HERE AND ALL APPRECIATED AND I NOTICE A LOT OF WORK. WE HAVE A

NUMBER OF ITEMS HERE, REDUCTION IN EXPENSES WHICH I AM SURE WE WLL ALL APPROVE. 2O,OOO INCREASED TO FUND, AND THAT IS A PLACEHOLDER UNDERSTAND FOR THE EEOC. AND THEN 4465 TO SHIFT THE WARMING CENTER FLTNDS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. TI{ESE ARE ACCOLTNTING FLTNDS ARE ALLOCATED TO US, ruST A SHIFT. 11,500 TO

INCREASE SHIFTING TFIE TRAFFIC AND ENGINEERING PIECE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEN AN $8OOO INCREASE TO 16,000 TOTAL TO INCREASE CAPACITY FOR TOWING RVS. I AM GOING TO START WITH TFM BUDGET COMMITTEE AS COUNCILMEMBER MAURER. HE SUMMING FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

THE ADDITIONAL 1O,OOO FOR WARMING AND COOLING CENTERS I WANTED TO CARRY FORWARD.

THANK YOU. AND THAT IS NOT ON TTM CURRENT PROPOSED BUDGET.

CORRECT.

SO THERE WAS AN ISSUE OF POLICE STAFFING? ONE POLICE OFFICER, ONE

POLICE OFFICER AND ONE DISPATCH OFFICER AND WE HAD A DIFFERENCE OF

OPINION ON THIS BUT I DO NOT SEE THAT HERE IN THE BUDGET BUT I AM

SUPPORTING MAINTAINING THE POLICE POSITIONS, BOTH POSITIONS AND SO, I SUPPORT ALL OF THIS.

THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT. TO POINT THIS OUT, THERE IS, CURRENTLY PROPOSED BUDGET, FUNDING FOR TWO POSITIONS, 121,OOO FOR AN OFFICER AND I06,000 FOR A DISPATCHER, THOSE ARE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

WHAT IS NOT IN TI{E PROPOSED BUDGET IS FUNDING FOR A SAFE PROGRAM.

CORRECT? IN TIIE ADDITIONAL ASKS, I DON'T THINK THE SAFE PROGRAM WAS IN THE ADDITIONAL ASKS.

CORRECT.

SO. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS A QUESTION OF WHETHER WE

APPROVE THE ALLOCATION TO THESE POSITIONS OR IF WE INSTEAD PROVIDE

AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION THAT WOULD ALLOW ALLOCATION OF THE MONEY TO A SAFE PROGRAM,I THINK THAT IS THE OPTION, CITY MANAGER?

I AM NOT SUPPORTING THE SAFE PROGRAM AT THIS TIME BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO LEARN A LOT MORE ABOUT WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT WILL DO.

IT HAD A PRETTY HIGH PRICE TAG AND A START UP COST. I THINK IT WAS 27O,OOO FOR 40 HOURS, PLUS $I75,OOO FOR A VAN. AND WE LEARNED TODAY

THAT THE COLINTY IS PAYING FOR -- PARK TO HAVE THIS SERVICE, THIS SAFE SERVICE OUT OF MEASURE O FLINDS. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD HAVE THE COLINTY HELP US OUT HERE.

THANK YOU, COLINCILMEMBER MAURER. ruST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET ARE THE TWO OFFICER POSITIONS, 121,OOO AND 106,000, WHAT IS

NOT IN TFIE BUDGET IS THE AMOTINT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR ONE YEAR OF SAFE AND THAT IS 27O,OOO FOR THE ANNUAL COST +I75 FOR START UP COSTS WHICH INVOLVES PURCHASES OF OTIIER EXPENSES AND A VAN.

VICE AD HOC ZOLLMAN, ANY COMMENTS ON THAT OR ANY POLICE ITEMS?

YES, THE REST OF THE PLACE ITEMS ARE FINE AND I'M WITH INCREASING

THEM FOR THE WARMING AND COOLING CENTER BUT WHERE WE LEFT THIS

WITH THE BUDGET WAS THAT COUNCILMEMBER MAURER ONE OF THE TWO

FULL , OPEN VACANCIES TO BE FILLED AND I AM ARGUING, BASED UPON THE

CONTENTS THAT WERE IN THE TRANSMITTAL LETTER ALONG WITH THE

POLICE CHIEF, ALONG WITH COMMENTS THAT WE ALREADY HEARD FROM

OUR FIRE CHIEF ABOUT THE NUMBER OF COLLEGE TFIEY HAVE FOR THOSE

THAT ARE NOT SFIELTERED AND THAT IS A TOPIC THAT IS RANKED HIGH

AMONGST OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THEM? ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DEPLOY PEOPLE THAT HAVE MANY SKILLS BUT NOT SO MUCH DIRECTLY WITH OUR UNSTIELTERED. IT IS

NOT JUST ABOUT THE UNSHELTERED, THE MENTAL HEALTH
DECOMPENSATION, OUR OWN RESIDENCE. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS

THAT THE MONEY THAT HAS BEEN SET ASIDE FOR TWO POSITIONS, THAT IT

BE AUTHORIZED FOR THE SAFE PROGRAM AND I AM SURE THAT I'M GOING TO

GET VOTED DOWN ON THIS BUT IF IT DOES HAPPEN THAT WAY THEN I

WOULD BE STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF CREATING AN AD HOC BECAUSE TTIERE

ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO EXPLORE OVER TTIE NEXT YEAR

WHICH IS AS WHAT COTINCILMEMBER MAURER INDICATED AND WHAT I HAD

MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR COUNTY MEASURE O

FUNDING AND ALSO I THINK THE CHIEF REFERENCED IT, THAT OUR SONOMA

COUNTY LEASE AS A WHOLE ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO FIND EVERYTHING

IN THE WEST COTINTY, ALONG WITH GETTING MONEY FROM OUR
HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS, ET CETERA. I THINK THAT EXPLORING THOSE

PARTICULAR FLTNDING STREAMS, SO THAT NEXT YEAR WE WILL BE IN A

BETTER POSITION TO HAVE DATA TO SAY WHETHER WE NEED TO CONTINUE

TO ALLOCATE MONEY FOR POLICE WHO ARE IN THE COMMUNITY TO DEAL

WITH SERIOUS VIOLENT CRIMES OR WHETHER WE NEED TO CONTINUE

FUNDING THAT PARTICULAR STRUCTURE, WHICH ALSO ENCOMPASSES THE

FACT THAT I THINK ARE POLICE CHIEF WOULD AGREE THAT EVEN IF WE

FULLY FLIND ALL OF THESE POSITIONS HE CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT THERE WLL NOT BE OVER TIME, RIGHT? HE SHAKING HIS HEAD, NO, HE CANNOT

GUARANTEE THERE WILL NOT BE OVERTIME BUT IF WE DEPLOY THE RIGHT

LEVEL OF PEOPLE TO WHAT IS NEEDED IN THE COMMLINITY, MAYBE WE WILL

NOT NEED AS MANY LAW OFFICERS TO RESPOND TO SITUATIONS THAT THEY

DO NOT EVEN REALLY WANT TO RESPOND TO BUT HALF TO RESPOND TO AND

WE CAN LET MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIANS AT A MUCH LOWER RATE, COME IN AND TAKE CARE OF THOSE ISSUES. AT SOME ARGUMENTS.

THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. COUNCILMEMBER HINTON OR COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS ? THAT AFTER INITIAL COMMENTS I THINK WE NEED TO ASK HER POLICE CHIEF TO WEIGH IN TOO. COMMENTS FROM COLINCILMEMBERS? SORRY, COLINCILMEMBER HINTON? SO, ARE POLICE CHIEF, IF YOU COULD WEIGH IN ON THE QUESTION OF OFFICERS AND/OR THE SAFE PROGRAM. AND

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, ARE THESE POSITIONS, TIIEY POSITIONS THAT

HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL THAT ARE VACANT CURRENTLY?

THEY WERE APPROVED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET THAT DUE TO ATTRITION, PEOPLE LEAVING THE DEPARTMENT, THEY I]AVE BEEN VACANT AND HAVE REMAINED VACANT.

THANK YOU, GO AHEAD.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF A SAFE TEAM, DO NOT GET ME WRONG. I FULLY SUPPORTED AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT AS A TOOL. I THINK IT WOULD SERVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WELL. IT WOULD PROVIDE A TEAM OF

PEOPLE WITH A HIGHER LEVEL OF TRAINING AND EXPERTISE TO DEAL WITH

SOME OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE AND IT WOULD REDUCE THE AMOLINT OF

IMPACTS ON THE POLICE AND ALLOW US TO FOCUS ON MORE TRADITIONAL

POLICING ASPECTS, INCLUDING TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, BEING VISIBLE, PATROLLING THE.PARKS, PATROLLING THE NEIG}IBORHOOD MORE. OUR AMOL]NT OF TIME THAT WE ARE SPENDING ON TF{E HOMELESS IS SIGNIFICANT. AND MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE AS WE KNOW SUFFER FROM MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AS WELL. THE OFFICERS TELL ME IT IS APPROXIMATELY 50% OF THEIR TIME AND IT MIGHT BE MORE. I DON'T HAVE

THE ABILITY TO QUANTIFY THAT RIGHT NOW, THAT SAID THESE MODELS

WERE NEVER DESIGNED TO SUPPLEMENT POLICE STAFFING, IT TAKES A

CERTAIN NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS AND DISPATCHERS TO TO STOP AN OPERATION 2417 AND TO PROVIDE A LEVEL OF SAFETY FOR THE COMMLINITY,

THE OFFICERS AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE GOING THROUGH CRISIS

AND THERE WILL BE TIMES EVEN WITH THE SAFE TEAM WHERE THEY WILL

HELP MAKE A DETERMINATION ALONG WITH US WHETHER WE NEED TO RESPOND. A LOT OF THE ROUTINE TYPE OF SITUATIONS WE WILL NOT HAVE TO RESPOND WITH T}IEM BUT RIGHT NOW, IN EVALUATING WHERE WE ARE AT AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT, T}IE IMPACTS BEING DOWN IN THESE

POSITIONS IS HAVING ON WORKLOADS ON BOTH DISPATCH AND POLICE,

EVERYBODY IS HAVING TO ABSORB THE WORKLOAD, THE AMOUNT OF

OVERTIME THAT IS HAVING TO BE EXPENDED TO FILL SHIFTS AND TO

PROVIDE ADEQUATE STAFFING AND SAFETY TO THE COMMLINITY, MY PRIORITIES TO STAFF THOSE TWO POSITIONS. THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION AS WELL. VICE MAYOR MENTIONED THE FORMATION OF A AD HOC

COMMITTEE, REGARDLESS OF WHICH DIRECTION WE GO I THINK WE SHOULD

FORM A AD HOC COMMITTEE AND EXPLORE FLINDING OPTIONS, AS WAS

MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY, COUNTY MEASURE O FUNDS MAY BE

AVAILABLE TO US AND LIKELY COULD BE USED TOWARD THAT BUT I WILL SHARE WITH YOU, IN A CONVERSATION I HAD THE.- POLICE CHIEF A FEW WEEKS AGO THAT TI{EIR SHARE OF THE MEASURE O FUNDS ONLY ABOUT $1OO,OOO AND THEY CANNOT PARTICIPATE WITHOUT THE FUNDS BUT IT WILL

NOT FLIND THE ENTIRE PROGRAM BUT AS TFIE VICE MAYOR ALSO ALLUDED

TO, SHERIFF INGRAM HAS HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE EXECUTIVE

DIRECTOR AND HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST TO PROVIDE A SAFE MODEL TEAM

TO THE ENTIRE WEST COUNTY BECAUSE OTHER TFIAN SEBASTOPOL , THEY

ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE WEST COLINTY AND THERE COULD BE A

JOINT VENTURE WHERE WE RECEIVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A SAFE TEAM BUT SHARE THE COST WITH THE COLTNry IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOME

OTHER FUNDS AND WE CAN EXPLORE OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS TO GRANTS AND WHATNOT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMENT ON TFIE POLICE BUDGET IN GENERAL? OR THE SPECIFIC TOPIC OF THE SAFE PROGRAM FROM COLiNCILMEMBER HINTON OR COLTNCIL MEMBER McLEWIS? COUNCIL OF HER HINTON GO AHEAD.

I'M NOT WILLING TO FORFEIT THE TWO POSITIONS IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. I KNOW IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A FULL STAFF, FOR SO MANY REASONS. AND HAVING WORKED,

MYSELF, WITH FOLKS WITH MENTAL ILLNESS, I HAVE PERSONALLY BEEN IN

A SITUATION WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU THINK YOU HAVE IT HANDLED AND THEN ALL T}IE SUDDEN IT IS A LITTLE OUT OF FIAND. I MEAN I THINK

PROGRAMS LIKE THIS HAVE TO WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE YOU ruST DO NOT KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN SOMETIMES. AS FAR

AS AN AD HOC GOES MY FIRST INITIAL WAS THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON, IS NOW THE TIME TO OPEN UP A AD HOC FOR THIS AS WELL? I NEVER

WANT TO MISS OUT ON FLTNDING BUT I HESITATE TO OPEN AN AD HOC

TONIGHT WHEN WE ARE SURE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS AND MAYBE THAT IS TFIE TIME TO OPEN THE AD HOC. BUT I AM WILLING TO GO WITH THE WLL OF THE COUNCIL ON THAT.

COLINCILMEMBER MCLEWIS?

IT WOULD BE NO SURPRISE THAT I'M NOT WILLING TO FORGO THE POSITIONS. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE PROPERLY STAFFED. I

KNOW THE IMPACT IT HAS ON TFIE STAFF, THE MORALE AND PERSONALLY,

THE CHIEF KNOWS, I HAD A SITUATION ON THE TRAIL THIS WEEKEND THAT FRANKLY FRIGHTENED ME TO TI{E POINT WHERE I WENT TO THE POLICE AND REALIZED I ACTUALLY COULD'VE BEEN, IT COULD'VE BEEN A LOT WORSE.

THAT MAYBE THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT WI{AT IS GOING ON WITH OUR

POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHETHER WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE,IT WAS AN

UNFORTUNATE SITUATION THAT I DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT, SO, NO, I

WILL NOT, I AM IN SUPPORT OF KEEPING THE POSITIONS HAVING WORKED IN HEALTHCARE AND WITH ADDICTS AND HOMELESS AND EVERYTHING. I

UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE MENTAL HEALTH AND FOR THE TEAM BUT I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO IT RIGHT. I AM NOT SURE ABOUT SUPPORTING AN

AD HOC TONIGHT SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON AND

WE HAVE ANOTHER REQUEST FOR ANOTHER AD HOC I BELIEVE THAT IS OUT TI{ERE BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD EXPLORE FINDING FLINDS AND HAVING THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE IN THE COUNry OF HOUSING THE

IINHOUSED, I CANNOT BELIEVE A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR OFFERING TO HELP. I THINK TI{E COUNTY AND EVERYBODY ELSE SHOULD BE

HELPING GIVING THE AMOLINT THAT OUR COMMLINITY DOES FOR THE LINHOUSED ALREADY. THAT IS W}IERE I AM AT WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS ALL TI{ESE OTHER THINGS.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT? OR ANYTHING YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON IN THE LIST HERE?
I WLL GO WITH WHATEVER THE CHIEF RECOMMENDS. AND I SUPPORT

KEEPING TFIESE TWO POSITIONS AND I HOPE WE CAN FIND STAFF TO FILL THEM.

OKAY,.THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL WEIGH IN ON THESE ITEMS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE EEOC ITEM, IS T}IAT AN AMOUNT THAT WE ARE BEING REQUESTED TO FLTNDS NOW? THE 20,000 NEEDED FOR THE EEOC,

NOT A PLACEHOLDER BUT AN AMOUNT THAT NEEDS TO BE ALLOCATED FROM THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE? OKAY. I AM IN SUPPORT OF ALL OF THESE

ITEMS, I AM SADDENED TO SEE THAT WE NEED MORE MONEY FOR RV TOWING, THAT MAKES ME VERY SAD BUT I LINDERSTAND THAT IS REAL. IN TERMS OF TI{E l O,OOO FOR THE WARMING AND COOLING CENTER BUDGET, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. ESPECIALLY OVERSEEN BY OUR POLICE CHIEF WHO

HAS BEEN WORKING VERY EFFECTIVELY WITH THE CONTRACTOR WHO THE

CITY MADE ARRANGEMENTS WITH TO PROVIDE WARMING AND COOLING CENTER SERVICES. I THINK THAT ALSO SPEAKS EFFECTIVELY TO TFIE COLINTY, IF WE ALLOCATE, SAY ALLOCATED $IO,OOO LAST YEAR,IT WILL BE

EASIER TO ASK THE COTINTY FOR FUNDING, LINDA HAWKINS NUMBER FUNDS, IF WE HAVE DONE OUR PART TO TRY TO ALLOCATE SOME FTINDS. GO AHEAD? PLEASE.

REGARDING THE FUNDING, I LINDERSTAND THE $1O,OOO, IT CAN BE ENOUGH TO EAT QUICKLY. IINAUDIBLE ] I'M OPTIMISTIC IF IT IS MANAGED

CORRECTLY WE DON'T HAVE A STREAM OF BAD WEATHER THAT WE CAN REVISIT IT MIDYEAR.

THANK YOU. AND WE WILL MAKE A REQUEST OF LINDA HAWKINS WHO IS OPEN TO THAT REQUEST. COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS?
THAT IS ONE THING HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, LASTER THE COLINry

FUNDED THE IO,OOO, ARE YOU SAYING YOUIRE ASKING THEM AGAIN THIS YEAR? ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT THEY WILL? DID I MISS SOMETHING? LAST YEAR THE CITY FLTNDED I THINK $IO,OOO AND SUPERVISOR HOPKINS ALSO RESPONDED TO OUR REQUEST AND GRANTED $10,000. THERE IS 4500

REMAINING AND THE PLAN IS TO HOPEFULLY REQUEST FLINDING FROM THE GENERAL FLTND. BUT ALSO TO FOLLOW UP WITH LINDA HOPKINS TO REQUEST $10,000 FROM HER ONCE AGAIN. SHE HAS EXPRESSED OPENNESS TO

THE REQUEST BUT IT IS TOT FUNDS AND IT DEPENDS ON THE OTHER REQUEST THAT SHE HAS. BUT SO FAR SHE HAS SAID I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU.

I SEE. OKAY.

THOSE ARE THE ITEMS,IN TERMS OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE. I THINK I

AM'S IN SUPPORT OF A AD HOC BUT I THINK THAT WILL DEPEND ON

WHETHER WE HAVE TWO COUNCILMEMBERS WHO ARE WILLING TO PUT THE TIME IN.

I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TAKE THOSE IDEAS FOR THE AD HOC

AT THE END OF THIS FULL PACKET, THERE IS SUGGESTIONS FOR AD HOC ,

NEXT STEPS AND I THINK, LET'S TAKE THAT OUT OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION,

TFIE FOLLOW-UP AND THE AD HOC, LET'S TAKE IT OUT AND GET THROUGH TTM BUDGET , GET THROUGH THE SALES TAX. BECAUSE OF THE TIMING. IT IS ALMOST.-
WE CAN CERTAINLY LEAVE THE AD HOC LTNTIL LATER IN THIS DISCUSSION. I THINK WE CAN COME BACK TO THE AD HOC. OKAY. ON THE POLICE BUDGET, TI{EYNEED TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE. HLTNDRED 20,830 REDUCTION, THUMBS UP? 2O,OOO INCREASE TO FUND THE EEOC? THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN. 4465 TO SHIFT THE WARMING CENTER FUNDS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? GOT IT. I I,5OO TO INCREASE WITH THE SHIFT TO REDUCE

CONTRACT FOR TRAFFIC AND ENGINEERTNG TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THUMBS UP? OKAY. $SOOO INCREASE TO THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES TOWING? OKAY. WHAT IS NOT HERE WHICH WOULD LIKE TO SEE A THUMBS

UP FOR, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION OR THUMBS DOWN, TFM ALLOCATION OF I21,OOO AND 106,000 FOR THE OFFICER POSITIONS,

NO CHANGE IN THE ALLOCATION OF THOSE FLINDS, THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN? OKAY. 1O,OOO, WARMING AND COOLING CENTER? FOUR THUMBS UP,

ONE THUMBS DOWN AND THEN THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE OTHER AD HOC COMMITTEE.

IF THAT IS TFIE CASE, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE AD HOC WHEN WE GET TO THE PUBLIC WORKS? BECAUSE THAT INVOLVES THE SPECIFIC ENTITY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE AD HOC, IS T}IERE A GENERAL, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE ON A AD HOC FOR SAFE? OKAY. WE CANNOT ADD A AD HOC BECAUSE WE NEED TWO PEOPLE. IS THERE A ROLE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBER AND INQUIRING INTO THE SAFE POGROM? NO? IS THERE A

ROLE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL COLINCILMEMBER IN PURSUING AN INTEREST REGARDING THE SAFE PROGRAM?
WE DID IT FOR THE LIBRARY.

AND WORKING WITH THE CHIEF?

IT WAS A LIBRARY AD HOC THAT WAS CREATED IN THE COLINCIL GAVE DIRECTION FOR ONE OF US TO APPEAR, SO THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR ruST ONE COI.INCILMEMBER DOING AN AD HOC.

SO, GIVEN TIMING AND OTHER TOPICS WE NEED TO COVER I THINK, LET'S

LEAVE IT IN VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN'S COURT TO BRING FORWARD AN ITEM

IF HE SO CHOOSES TO THE CITY COTINCIL THAT WOULD PROVIDE A ROLE FOR TI{EM TO PURCHASE PAID IN PURSUIT OF A SAFE PROGRAM.

HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE WORK WE HAVE DONE? TI{E POLICE CHIEF HAS ALREADY WRITTEN A MEMO, WHAT ELSE DO I NEED TO BRTNG? SO MAYBE THERE'S NOTHING MORE TO BE DONE? I DON'T KNOW.

GREAT.

I DON'T KNOW I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S NO SUPPORT FOR AN AD HOC

TONIGHT BUT YOU CAN SEE ON THE COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH A PROPOSAL OF SOME KIND.

SO, TWO POINTS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WILL BE A

PRESENTATION AT AN UPCOMING MEETING MOBILE SUPPORT TEAM WHICH

IS ESSENTIALLY THEIR VERSION OF A SAFE TEEN AND THAT TFIE INFORMATION I BE INTERESTING FOR THIS CONVERSATION. THE SECOND IS

THAT IF WE DO SOME KIND OF MINI-GOALSETTING PROCESS IN A MONTH OR

TWO THAT IN TERMS OF POLICE AND STAFF SUPPORT AND WHAT YOU

WOULD WANT, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER OPPORTLTNITY TO RAISE THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING THIS WORK ALONG WITH ANY OTHER WORK.

THANK YOU. AND I WILL OFFER TO BE ON AN AD HOC WITH VICE MAYOR

ZOLLMAN TO INQUIRE INTO THE SAFE PROGRAM AND HE AND I WILL

PARTNER TO BRING A REPORT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT MIGHT

PROPOSE THAT AND TFM CITY COUNCIL CAN THEN MAKE A DECISION, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? TO THE CITY COUNCIL. DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE AN AD HOC I AM JUST SAYING WE WILL BRTNG IT BACK. I GUESS I DON'T NEED CITY COLTNCIL APPROVAL. MARY GIRLIE?

YOU ARE CORRECT, IF YOU ARE NOT CREATING TONIGHT TFIEN YOU DON'T NEED COLINCIL APPROVAL.

YES. WE ARE JUST INFORMING THE CITY COLTNCIL THAT VICE MAYOR

ZOLLMAN AND I ARE CONSIDERING THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN AD HOC TO

INQUIRE INTO THE SAFE PROGRAM AND IF WE DECIDE TO DO THAT WE WILL

DECIDE TO DO IT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE CITY COLTNCIL, AND THAT CLOSE THE ISSUE PROPERLY?
YES. DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US ON POLICE OR CAN WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC WORKS?
OKAY.

PUBLIC WORKS. ALL RIGHT, THIS IS A BIG TOPIC. WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS ON THE BOARD, WE HAVE DANTE READY TO BE GRILLED. I AM GOING TO

START, AND WE HAVE NOT ADDED ANYTHTNG TO THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET, THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL ASKS, IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

STARTING WITH THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, COMMENTS ON THE PUBLIC WORKS PROPOSAL?
YES.I SUPPORT TI{E PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET.

OKAY. VICE MAYOR?
I DO TOO, TFIE INITIAL PART OF T}IE SCREEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THAT. BECAUSE IT IS JUST THAT SCREEN BUT WHEN WE MOVED DOWN TO TI{E SPECIFIC ENTITIES WE DEFINITELY DIFFER.

OKAY. COMMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBER HINTON? GO AHEAD.

SURE. I SUPPORT MOST OF IT TONIGHT BUT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF REPLACING THE LANDSCAPING FOR $2O,OOO AT TFIE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THAT IS THE THING THAT WOULD BE NICE TO DO BUT I CANNOT SUPPORT THAT. I ACTUALLY LIKE THE LITTLE REFLECTIVE POLES AND I COMMENTED ON THEM BUT I WILL NOT SUPPORT THAT AT THE TUNE OF $15,000. I JUST

DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET TO SUPPORT THOSE ALL

AROUND TOWN AND I'M NOT SURE THEY ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT SAFETY MEASURES IF WE HAD TO MAKE CHOICES.

COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS .

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP A TALLY OF WHERE WE ARE AT IT I'M ruST WONDERING, ANNA,IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN IDEA OF SOME OF TI# THINGS WE HAVE NOT APPROVED HERE AND

WHERE WE ARE AT, AS FAR AS THAT NUMBER, I DON'T KNOW IF MY NUMBER IS --
IF YOU NEED A FEW MINUTES WE CAN CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION.

TM ASKTNG BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT 64,000 REDUCTION IN
MAINTENANCE AND SERVICES AND SUCH TO TT{E COMMLINITY, I

PERSONALLY,IF WE HAVE EXTRA MONEY HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT

PUT BACK IN FOR THE ITEMS THAT ARE REDUCTIONS BECAUSE I THINK FOR

OUR COMMUNITY, WE ALREADY TALK ABOUT ISSUES TFIAT WE HAVE WITH

OUR WALKWAYS AND DIVES AND OUR ROADS AND I WROTE DOWN THAT

DANTE HAD SAID WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ASPHALT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CUT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AT THE POSITIVE.

SO, ANNA, WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF THE NET DEFICIT AT THIS POINT? KEEPING IN MIND FOR ALL OF US THAT WE ARE IN A DEFICIT.

IT IS STILL A DEFICIT BUT IT IS NOW IT 69758 SIX.

AND IT WAS ?
669 BEFORE AND NOW IT IS 697.

I'M SORRY WHAT WAS IT BEFORE?
BEFORE IT WAS IN THE BUDGET, IT WAS 670, ROLINDING.

LET'S NOT AROLIND.

69.18 SIX AND RIGHTNOW IT IS 697, 586.

THE DIFFERENCES?
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IT WENT UP?

YOU HAVE REDUCTION IN CITY MANAGEMENT,INCREASE IN STAFFING STUDY , YOU HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS GOING ON.

WE ADDED A 3O,OOO, REMEMBER THE ADDITIONAL ASKS?
OKAY. THAT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME.

WE HAVE NOT GAINED ANY MONEY. OKAY.

I AM SORRY, THAT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME.

MY TALLY HAS TTM ADDED 54OO WHICH IS ALL THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS HE HAD AND THE REDUCTION OF 27,OOO , 4OOO, 2O,OOO AND 3OOO FOR TFM TRAINTNG.

YOUR NUMBERS ARE ALIGNED WITH WHAT ANA KWONG HAS SAID?
WE TOOK 50 K OUT FOR MONITORING SERVICE RIGHT THERE.

THAT WAS THE GENERAL FLIND AND THE 22 WAS OUT OF THE SPECIAL HOUSING FLTNDS.

I SEE. I AM GLAD I ASKED.

SO, COMMENTS ON THESE ITEMS, COLTNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS?
LET'S SEE HERE. OH, DID YOU HAVE SOME THING?
I HAVE TO ADD, IF WE TOOK AWAY 35,OOO AND I WOULD BE FOR PUTTING THAT BACK UP ABOVE INTO MAINTENANCE, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT . RIGHT NOW IN MY MIND REPLACING THE

LANDSCAPING IN THE REFLECTTVE POLES, I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT GO

BACK TO MAINTENANCE AND SERVICES, IF THAT IS SOMETHING IS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL. OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I AM NONSUPPORTIVE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DARN C}IAIN-LINK FENCE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT IS FROM THE 7OS REPLACED. IN IVES PARK.

COMMENTS FROM DANTE?
SORRY THE LIGHT DOESN'T WORK GREAT I APOLOGIZE.

I KNOW.

I COULD MAKE A SUGGESTION, THE 2O,OOO, THERE IS NO INTEREST TN

REPLACING THE LANDSCAPING AT THIS TIME, TURNING THE LAWN INTO A

DIFFERENT KIND OF LANDSCAPING, IF WE REDUCE THAT AND I DO BELIEVE

THAT I COULD DO A YEAR OR TWO IMPLEMENTATION OF REFLECTIVE SIGN POLES AND MAKE A NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE FOR 5OOO AND WE CAN DO A BIG CHLINK OF THE CITY, THERE IS 35,OOO RIGHT THERE. SO, ELIMINATE

REPLACING THE LANDSCAPE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND REDUCE THE 15,000 To FtvE.

OKAY, THAT IS 3O,OOO.
30 RIGHT THERE. SORRY.
30,000. AND I'M SORRY, COLINCILMEMBER MoLEWIS, DID YOU FINISH YOUR COMMENTS?
YES.

OKAY. I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF WHAT DANTE HAS PROPOSED. I

WOULD ASK ON THE LANDSCAPING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT WAS THE MOTIVATION?
MAY ADDRESS THAT?
YES.

WAS TO REMOVE THE GRASS TO PUT IN DROUGHT TOLERANT LANDSCAPING BECAUSE THE GRASS TAKES UP A LOT OF WATER AND THAT WAS THE IDEA.

HOW MUCH IS THE COST TO WATER THE LAWN ?
A LOT.

BECAUSE OF THE COST MORE THAN $IO,OOO TO WATER THE LAWN THEN MAYBE IT IS A SHORT-TERM/LONG-TERM ISSUE. WHAT WOULD BE THE COST.

WHAT SAVINGS WOULD WE GET?
SAVINGS AGAIN THE VOLUME CHARGE WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT $IOOO PER YEAR.

OKAY. THERE IS ALSO TI{E CLIMATE ACTION PIECE BUT I WOULD BE IN

SUPPORT OF ALL OF THE ITEMS UNDER THE BUDGET COMMITTEE REQUESTS I SUPPORT THE WOODLEY PARK FENCING, 2O,OOO,I WOULD SHIFT THE 2O,OOO IN

LANDSCAPING, I AM SORRY, DANTE, DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR A REDUCED AMOLINT? I DON'T THINK SO, ruST LEAVE IT ALONE?

IS A PROJECT AS A WHOLE AND IT CANNOT BE , WELL I GUESS WE COULD DO

IT IN PIECES AND PARTS OF THE LAWN BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO DO IT THAT WAY.

IF I CAN ADD SOMETHING , THERE IS GOING TO BE NEW LEGISLATION THAT IS COMING OUT FROM THE STATE, PROBABLY EFFECTIVE JANUARY lSt OF 2027 TT SAYS THAT NON-FLINCTIONAL TURF, WHAT THEY CALL IT, WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED WITH A DROUGHT TOLERANT BUT THAT IS IN 2027.

OKAY. I AM IN SUPPORT OF LEAVING THE LIBBY FENCE UP,2O,OOO AS IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED, SHIFTING TO THE 2O,OOO FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LANDSCAPING, SORRY, POLICE CHIEF, UP TO INSTEAD TI{E MAINTENANCE

SERVICES AND SUPPLIES AND REDUCING THE REFLECTTVE SIGN POLES TO 5OOO HAS BEEN PROPOSED WHICH WOULD MOVE THE BALANCE OF IO,OOO UP

TO MAINTENANCE SERVICES SUPPLIES, THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL,IS EVERYBODY IN FAVOR OF THAT?
IS THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO THERE THAT ARE REDUCED, I AM ruST

WONDERING, DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO PUT IT ALL IN THAT ONE CATEGORY? I AM JUST CURIOUS.

SUPPLIES AND SERVICES IS THE MOST FLEXIBLE, TRY TO IDENTIFY CONTRACT SERVICES FOR SPECIFIC, ANNUAL, REOCCURRING MAINTENANCE.

SO, THIS GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY. BUT FOR ACCOUNTING PURPOSES SUPPLIES AND SERVICES MAKES NO SENSE.

OKAY, THAT WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER FROM 56,000 86,000.

IT WOULD DECREASE IT.

IT WOULD DECREASE THE REDUCTION. THANK YOU, SO MUCH.

YES, COLINCILMEMBER MAURER?

I AM WONDERING IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THE FENCING AT IVES PARK ? WAS THERE A CONFLICT WITH THE BIGGER PLAN AND WHY CAN'T WE GET THE FENCE REMOVED?

THERE IS AN IVES PARK MASTER PLAN THAT INCLUDES A LOT OF

WATERWAY, A DRAMATIC PLAN IS PUT TOGETHER YEARS AGO IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES IN TFIE FUTURE. THERE ARE A

LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT MOVING THE CREEK

AND OPENING ACCESS TO THE CREEK AND I BELIEVE THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE BIGGER PLAN. IN THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION IT

WILL NOT ALLOW FOR IT BECAUSE THEIR SHARP EDGES AND FALL AREAS THAT WILL REPRESENT A LIABILITY TO THE CITY. CAN WE DO FENCING? IT IS EXPENSIVE.

I'LL INTERJECT THAT THIS IS A COMP LOCATED ISSUE.

I DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE BUT YOU DO A CIRCLE AROLIND THE POND, JUST TI{E ONE CIRCLE FROM THE RESTROOM AREAS, I WOULD ESTIMATE IT AT $50- $60,000 TO REPLACE THAT.

WE NEED TO FIND A DONOR.

LET'S GO THROUGH TWO THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN.2I8 REDUCTION, THUMBS UP.7Z,OOO REDUCTION WITH SHIFT OF THE LABOR TO FOCUS ON WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS, THUMBS UP. 66,000 IN REIMBURSEMENT FROM GRANDSON CITIES BUILDING RESERVE FUND FOR PROJECTS. THUMBS UP. 64,000 REDUCTION MAINTENANCE RELATED CONTRACTS, THUMBS UP. $56,000 REDUCTION, NOT 56 BUT $26,000 REDUCTION MAINTENANCE SERVICES AND SUPPLIES. $52,OOO INCREASE IN CONTRACT SERVICES WITH SHIFT OF WEST COI.]NTY COMMLTNITY SERVICES CONTRACT FOR PUBLIC WORKS. 2O,OOO ADDITION FOR LIBBY PARK FENCING MATEzuALS. NEXT ON THE

LANDSCAPING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IS EVERYBODY THUMBS UP ON NO POLICE DEPARTMENT LANDSCAPE FUNDING? OKAY. TFIE ZERO

ADDITION FOR REPLACING LANDSCAPING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, EVERYBODY'S AN AGREEMENT? THEN THE ADDITION FOR REFLECTIVE SCIENCE, $5OOO ADDITION, THUMBS UP? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE ARE AT THE SENIOR CENTER, COMMUNITY CULTURAL CENTER AND IVES POOL.

DANTE, WE HOPE YOU'LL STICK AROUND FOR THIS.

I AM FIERE.

OKAY. THIS ITEM INCLUDES A REDUCTION IN THE SENIOR CENTER AMOLINT TO ZERO, RIGHT? THIS WAS YOUR OUTER OPERATIONS FOR THE SENIOR CENTER?
ZERO SUPPORT FOR TI{EIR OPERATIONS, RESOLVE ALLOCATIONS FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY, ALTHOUGH IT HAS BEEN REDUCED.

OKAY.

I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT BEING THE COUNSELEES ONTO THE SENIOR CENTER. WHILE THERE WERE SOME HITS AND MISSES ABOUT APPROACHING

THIS I THINK WE HAVE LEARNED OUR WAY TO APPROACH NONPROFITS,

ULTIMATELY THEIR BOARD SAID THEY WERE FINE WITH THIS BUT I JUST

WANT TO MAKE A SPECIAL NOTE THAT IT IS LIKE IF THEY ARE WILLING TO

TAKE A HIT THEN I AM EXPECTING ALL OTHER ENTITIES TO TAKE A HIT,

ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE SENIOR CENTER IS A SELF-SUSTAINING, VERSUS TI{E OTFMRS THATARE COMING UP THAT ARE STILLNOT SELF-SUSTAINING, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THAT.

THANK YOU AND THANK YOU VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, YOU'RE MY DID MANY TO TURN TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE FOR COMMENTS ON THE SIDE.

I SUPPORT ALL OF THESE.

AND I DO NOT. THE COMMUNITY CULTURAL CENTER, GIVEN WHAT I ruST

SAID, IT IS NOW EQUITY BECAUSE I WILL STATE THIS PUBLICLY AND I'VE STATED A NUMBER OF TIMES IN T}IE BUDGET COMMITTEE, TTM FACT THAT TI{ERE IS A RUMOR FLOATING AROLIND IN THE COMMI.INITY THAT SOMEHOW

THIS NONPROFIT IS SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN MORE DEFERENCE BECAUSE IT

USED TO BE PART OF PARKS AND REC AND FOR YEARS WE HAVE GTVEN TFIEM UPWARDS OF $35O,OOO A YEAR TO MAKE IT SELF-SUSTAINING AND IT JUST

SEEMS TO BE GOING ON AND ON AND ON AND IT WAS NOT LINTIL RECENTLY,

WHERE IT WAS MORE OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ITEM THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW T}TEY HAVE INCREASED THEIR PROGRAM AND I'M DEFINITELY

NOT IN FAVOR OF GIVING THEM MORE SIX MONTHS WORTH OF FLTNDING IN

ORDER TO BECOME SUSTAINABLE WHEN ALL OF HER OTHER NONPROFITS ARE EXPECTED TO BE SELF-SUSTAINING, INCLUDING THE POOL, ET CETERA. I

KNOW THIS RUBS MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE THEY

BE THERE BEEN ATTACHED TO THAT PARTICULAR ENTITY IN ONE WAY, SHAPE OR ANOTHER BUT FOR ME, PARITY MEANS PARITY.

THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER HINTON OR MCLEWIS? OKAY. SO, I GUESS I'VE BEEN AROLIND A LITTLE LONGER AND I REMEMBER

WHEN TFIE SENIOR CENTER CAME TO US AND THEY WERE DESPERATE AND

TFIEY WERE IN NOT A GREAT FINANCIAL SITUATION AND WE GAVE THEM TIME TO GET BACK ON THEIR FEET. THEY GET A LOT OF ADDITIONAL

FUNDING BECAUSE OF MEALS ON WHEELS AND THEIR LEGACY STORE IN KITCHEN, TFMY BUILT THOSE THINGS UP. IVES POOL HAS BEEN SELF.

SUSTAINING PRETTY MUCH FOR YEARS AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS.

AS POINTED OUT WE HAVE GIVEN COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH I HAVE

NEVER WORKED FOR OR BEEN AFFILIATED WITH REALLY EXCEPT TO USE

SERVICES, QUITE A BIT OF MONEY OVER THE HISTORY IF YOU LOOK AT THE YEAR-TO-YEAR AMOUNTS, WITH SUPPORT. IT DOES TAKE TIME TO MAKE A

BIG CHANGE AND WE SAW THIS WHEN WE VOTED TO NO LONGER HAVE

FIREWORKS THAT THE NONPROFITS MADE A LOT OF MONEY OFF OF IN TFIE

CITY AND WE EXTENDED SOME PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT WAS A HUGE PART OF THEIR BUDGET. SO,I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT

BUT WITH THE OPTION TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEM PAST THE FIRST SIX

MONTHS AND LOOK AT IT FOR THE MIDYEAR BUDGET REVIEW AS WE ARE WITH OTHER OPTIONS. I AM NOT WILLING TO PULL TFIE LEGS OUT FROM

LTNDER THE COMMUNITY CENTER WHEN WE HAVE SUPPORTED THEM FOR VARIOUS REASONS AND THEY SERVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMLINITY.

THAT IS WHERE I FALL TONIGHT AND I FIND APPROVING IN SIX MONTHS

WITH AN OPTION TO LOOK AT AND HEAR FROM THE BOARD IF TFIEY NEED ANOTHER SIX MONTHS. IT IS A DIFFICULT POSITION TO BE IN FOR ALL OF US.

THAT TS WHERE I WEIGH IN TONIGHT.

THANK YOU, COLINCILMEMBER MCLEWIS.

SO, HAVING SPENT FIVE YEARS OF MY LIFE SERVING ON TT{E COMMLINITY

CENTER BOARD, MOSTLY AS THE CHAIR, ALL DURING COVID, AS TTIE CHAIR,

I HAD MANY TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE WITH THE BOARD AND WE FOUGHT

LIKE HECK TO KEEP THE FLTNDING AS TIGHT AS WE COULD SO THAT IT COULD SURVIVE. IT IS PERSONAL,I HAVE SPENT SO MANY HOURS,

HUNDREDS AND HTINDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOURS WITH THAT
ORGANIZATION AND I KNOW THE BOARD, THEIR FAMILY TO ME. I AGREE

WITH REDUCING THE FLINDING, I REMEMBER WHEN WE RECEIVED THE FLINDING AND THE CHANGE WAS MADE TO HELP SUPPORT OPERATIONALLY. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THEM DIRECTLY. THEY ARE COMMITTED TO BECOMING SELF-SUSTAINING, THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED. THEY LINDERSTAND

THE RAMIFICATIONS IF THEY DO NOT, THEY ARE FULLY AWARE OF THAT,

SOME OF THESE PEOPLE OWN A VERY LARGE BUSINESSES IN THIS

COMMLINITY AND THEY KNOW HOW TO RTIN BUSINESSES, THEY JUST NEED

TIME AND I TOO REMEMBER A TIME NOT THAT LONG AGO THAT THE SENIOR

CENTER WAS IN DIRE STRAITS AND CAME TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO ASK THEM TO HELP RTIN BECAUSE THEY WERE IN TROUBLE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CUT THEM OFF AT THE KNEES. IT DOES TAKE TIME AND I ALSO RLIN A NONPROFIT, YOU KNOW? SO, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE REDUCTION BUT

KEEPING THE FLINDING THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND RE-ASSESSING IN SIX MONTHS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE AT. I AM NOT SAYING I

WANT TO DO THIS IN PERPETUITY BUT I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD CUT OUR

COMMITTEE MEMBERS OFF AT THE KNEES BECAUSE THEY HAVE FALLEN ON HARD TIMES. COVID WAS VERY HARD, WHEN YOU ARE AN EVENT CENTER

AND YOU CANNOT BE OPEN FOR A YEAR BUT THEY HAVE SERVED A LOT OF

PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY,I HAVE TAUGHT CLASSES THERE AND MANY PEOPLE DO. I KNOW WE ARE SHORT ON TIME BUT I CANNOT SAY ENOUGH OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR THE COMMLINITY IN MY OPINION. SO,I

SUPPORT WHAT WE HAVE HERE BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD REASSESS AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AT AT THE MIDYEAR. I HAVE A LOT OF

FAITH THEY WILL FIGURE THIS OUT BECAUSE I TALKED TO THEM WEEKLY

AND THEIR INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, SHE IS WORKING SUPER HARD AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT SHE'S MAKING.

THANK YOU. I WLL WEIGH IN ON THESE ITEMS. IT DISTRESSES ME TERRIBLY

TO CS REDUCING OUR SUPPORT FOR THESE AMAZING NONPROFITS,

ESPECIALLY AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE REDUCING THE PIECES THAT WILL

HELP MAKE THEIR SPACES ATTRACTED TO TFIE COMMUNITY THROUGH OUR REDUCTION AND LANDSCAPING AND MAINTENANCE SUPPORT. AND I KNOW DANTE AND HIS TEAM WILL DO EVERYTHING TI{EY CAN BUT IT IS

DISTRESSING TO SEE THIS HAPPEN AND IT DISTRESSES ME TO SEE US

ELIMINATE THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THE SENIOR CENTER, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE DOING WELL AND I AGREE THAT }IAVING HAD

DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM THAT TIIEY ARE IN A GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW, TIIEY ARE IN A VERY GOOD PLACE. THE COMMLTNITY CENTER, I SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL FIERE. I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SIX MONTHS OF $58,300 AND I WOULD JOIN MY COLLEAGUES AND AT THE MID-YEAR TO BE

VERY OPEN TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IF THEY HAVE MADE SUBSTANTIAL STRIDES BUT ARE NOT AT THE POINT WHERE TI{EY CAN ACTUALLY GO AT IT

ALONE AND I WOULD TRUST STAFF TO HELP US INFORM, TO INFORM US ABOUT T}IE STATUS AND THE PROGRESS THAT THEY HAVE MADE. SO, THAT IS MY PIECE ON THAT, IVES POOL, NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. WE ALL KNOW TI{ERE WILL BE EXPENSES THERE LATER ON BUT, I SUPPORT ALL OF THESE

ITEMS ON THIS LIST, LINLESS THERE'S ADDITIONAL INPUT BY STAFF OR OTHER COMMENTS, YES? DEFINITELY. I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THEM AS WE HAVE WITH OTHERS. SENIOR CENTER, $38,250 REDUCTION WITH

ELIMINATION OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT, SADLY, COMMLINITY CULTURAL CENTER, 76,600 REDUCTION IN SUPPORT FOR GENERAL OPERATION, REMAINING 58,300 TO PROVIDE EXTENSIVE SUPPORT DURING TRANSITION

WITH THE CAVEAT, I WOULD ADD, THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE THREE

HERE THAT AT THE MID-YEAR WE WILL SERIOUSLY CONSIDER CONTINUE FTINDING IF WE JUDGE THAT IT IS NEEDED. OKAY. I THINK THAT WAS FOUR THUMBS UP, YES, FOUR THUMBS UP. IVES POOL, NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, OKAY. DOES THAT PROVIDE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO THE STAFF? OKAY.

NOW WE ARE AT NON-DEPARTMENTAL. THERE ARE ONLY TWO ITEMS }IERE.

ONE IS THE SHIFT OF COSTS OF THE CONTRACTS AND ONE IS INCREASING THE TECHNOLOGY FOR REPLACEMENT BUDGET.

GOOD WITH BOTH OF THESE.

YES, THIS IS WFMRE HE WENT AROLIND AND AROUND WHETHER IT SHOULD BE WITHIN TFIE ACTUAL BUDGET OF EACH DEPARTMENT OR NONDEPARTMENTAL AND THIS IS WHAT HE DECIDED ON AND I AM DONE WITH IT.

ANY COMMENTS FROM COLTNCILMEMBER HINTON OR MCLEWIS?

I MEAN I HAVE TO TRUST THAT THE BUDGET COMMITTEE HAS VETTED THIS

AND IF THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE NEED TECHNOLOGY AND

INCREASED CYBERSECURITY, I KNOW THAT WE DO NEED TO KEEP UP ON

THOSE THINGS, I WILL BE IN FAVOR OF FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF TONIGHT AND THE BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE.

COT]NCILMEMBER MCLEWIS?
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, DITTO.

OKAY. I WILL WEIGH IN, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THESE TWO ITEMS,I AM

TRUSTING THE BUDGET COMMITTEE TO HAVE MADE SURE THESE SHIFTS IN

COSTS MADE SENSE AND TFIE COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY ITEM, WE ARE SUPPORTING. $134,000 SHIFT OF COSTS FOR CONTRACTS TO DEPARTMENTS, GOT IT. THUMBS UP FROM YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS ON THAT ONE AND $160,000 525 INCREASE TO ADDRESS NEEDS FOR TECHNOLOGY

REPLACEMENT, THUMBS UP FROM EVERYONE AND TO INCREASED
CYBERSECURITY. OKAY. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH EACH OF TFIESE. I KNOW

THAT ONE ITEM THAT IS REMAINING IS A REQUEST FOR AN AD HOC, AN ADDITIONAL AD HOC AND IT WAS FOR WHAT PURPOSE? MARY GURLEY CAN YOU HELP ME?
THAT WAS FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER BUILDING ASSESSMENT.

OKAY. I THINK THAT IS ONE ITEM, LET ME GO TO THE BUDGET OVERALL.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE BUDGET PROCESS WITH OUR THUMBS UP AND THUMBS DOWN, IS ANYBODY FEELING COMPARED TO RE.VISIT ANY ITEMS? I HESITATE TO ASK THAT QUESTION. OKAY, GOOD. GLAD TO HEAR IT.

IN TERMS OF OUR PROCESS, MARY GURLEY, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO A FORMAL VOTE ON THE BUDGET? AND THEN GO ON TO THE AD HOC QUESTIONS?
YES, THERE WILL BE THREE SEPARATE MOTIONS.

I AM LOOKING, SO, THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES HERE. HOW WOULD STAFF PROPOSE WE CAPTURE THESE CHANGES FOR PURPOSES OF MOTION? SHALL GO THROUGH ALL THE CHANGES?
OH, BOY. NO.

SO, YOU CAN JUST DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK TFIE FINAL BUDGET BASED UPON THE CHANGES DISCUSSED TONIGHT.

SO MOVED.

SECOND.

OKAY, ROLLCALL VOTE, PLEASE.

SO MOVED BY COUNCILMEMBER MAURER AND SECONDED BY
COLTNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS, TO DIRECT STAFF TO CHANGE THE FY ,24,25

BUDGET AS DISCUSSED AT TONIGHT'S MEETING AND THIS ITEM WILL BE RETURNED AT THE AUGUST 12 SPECIAL CITY COLTNCIL MEETING.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON? . COUNSELOR NUMBER MAURER. VICE AD HOC ZOLLMAN, MAYOR zuCH? MOTION PASSES TINANIMOUSLY.

THE CREATION OF AN AD HOC TO EXPLORE SAFE, I THINK, EFFECTIVELY WE

HAVE LEFT THAT AS, DO NOT SEE SUPPORT TONIGHT FOR AN AD HOC AND I

THINK WE'RE LEAVING THAT ALONE, HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT
PROCEDURALLY? MARY GURLEY ? DO WE WITHDRAW IT? WHAT DO WE DO? I AM NOT PLANNING ON WITHDRAWING IT.

YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION AND HAVE A SECOND AND VOTE ON IT OR IF THERE IS NO SECOND THE MOTION GOES.

I MOVED TO CREATE AN AD HOC TO WORK ON TFIE SAFE AND THE FLINDING ISSUES.

AND I WOULD MODIFY THAT BY SAYING WITH THE OBLIGATION OF THE AD HOC OF BEING TI{E INITIAL OBLIGATION TO COME BACK TO THE CITY

COLINCIL WITH THE DEFINITION AND PROPOSAL OF SCOPE AND TIMING FOR TI{E AD HOC. AND I SECOND THE MOTION. I THINK NOW WE GO FOR A VOTE.

SO MOVED.

CAN I CLARIFY, YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU WLL BE ON THAT?
YES. I WLL BE ON THAT AD HOC AND THE MOTION IS TO CREATE AN AD

HOC WITH COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN AND ME APPOINTED TO THE AD HOC

AND IS OBLIGATED TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH THE DESCRIPTION OF THE SCOPE THAT I WILL LAY OUT FOR TI{E COLINCIL, THE ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO BOTH US DOWN AND THEN COI.INCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN AND I

COULD COME BACK AND MAKE A MORE FORMAL PROPOSAL, THAT IS ONE OPTION. JUST SAYING, IF YOU ARE NOT READY TO SUPPORT THE CREATION OF TI{E AD HOC, THAT IS AN OPEN QUESTION. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE SHOULD HESITATE.

MY CONCERN IS TIME, HOW MUCH TIME? WE HAVE TO BE OUT OF HERE IN 40

MINUTES AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, SHOULD PUBLIC COMMENTS BE TAKEN?
IS THAT TRUE, MARY GURLEY?

NO, WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE ENTIRE ITEM AND IS A PART OF THE ENTIRE ITEM.

WE ARE HAVING A MOTION, THE THREE OF YOU CAN VOTE NO AND COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN AND I CAN DO WHAT WE CHOOSE TO DO. THAT

IS THE MOTION WHICH HAS BEEN SECONDED AND A ROLLCALL VOTE, PLEASE, MARY GURLEY.

SO MOVED BY VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND SECONDED BY RICH TO CREATE

AN AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE SPECIALIZED ASSISTANCE PROGRAM OF

SAFE WITH COMING BACK FOR THE ADDITION OF THE SCOPE AND TIMING TO

A FUTURE CITY COLINCIL MEETTNG AND TO APPOTNT VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND MAYOR RICH AS MEMBERS? COT]NCILMEMBER HINTON?
AT THIS TIME, NO.

COT]NCIL NUMBER MAURER?
NOT AT THIS TIME.

COI.TNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS?
NOT AT THIS TIME.

VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN ?
YES. MAYOR RICH?
YES.

THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS WITH THREE COLINCIL MEMBER'S IN OPPOSITION, THE MOTION FAILS.

THANK YOU, WE WILL GO ON TO TFIE OTHER AD HOC , WHICH IS CREATION

OF AN AD HOC FOR, TO FOCUS ON THE SEBASTOPOL COMMLINITY CENTER MASTER PLAN. WHICH WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED IN OUR CIP. MY QUESTION TO STAFF IS, DOES THIS NEED TO HAPPEN TONIGHT? CAN WE BUMP THIS ITEM TO ANOTHER MEETING?
YOU CAN CONTINUE INTO ANOTHER MEETING IT WAS ruST DIRECTION FROM THE CIP TO CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE.

OKAY. I'M SORRY. I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT THIS ITEM BE LEFT FOR ANOTHER AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY OPPOSED TO THAT?
I AGREE.

OKAY. WHAT FORMAL ACTION DO YOU NEED US TO TAKE, MARY GURLEY? IS THERE CONSENSUS?
YES.

NO FORMAL ACTION, WE WILL CONTINUE THIS IN A FUTURE MEETING.

THANK YOU.

I AM SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THIS BUT THERE IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GOALS.

THE GOALSETTING. ON THE GOALSETTING ITEM,IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN BRING BACK FOR A LATER DECISION?
YES. IF THERE IS COUNCIL CONSENSUS TO RETURN US TO THE FUTURE CIry COUNCIL MEETING.

THE OTHER OPTION THAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE CONSIDER MAKING A

DECISION TO HAVE A MINI-GOALSETTING AND DIRECTING MARY GURLEY TO

COMMLTNICATE WITH COUNCILMEMBERS FOR PURPOSES OF SETTING A DATE, IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO DOING THAT?
IT SEEMS THAT WE ALREADY AGREED BECAUSE F{E PUT IN THE BUDGET THAT WE WOULD HAVE A MINI-GOALSETTING SESSION.

NO, THE IO,OOO FOR THE GOALSETTING IS FOR LATER ON, IS THAT CORRECT? THE l O,OOO IN THE BUDGET IS FOR GOALSETTING THAT WOULD BE MORE FORMAL, LATER ON?
YES. WE WERE GOING TO DO MANY HEAVEN GOALSETTING BETWEEN NOW

AND SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER BUT WE PUT FLTNDING INTO THE BUDGET TO A FACILITATOR FOR THE JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MAJOR GOAL SESSION.

THIS IS A MEETING THAT IS NOT FACILITATED WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR PRIMARY GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. AFTER HAVING SET THE BUDGET. I THINK WHAT I WILL DO WITH THIS ONE IS TRY TO SEE IF WE HAVE A THUMBS-UP, GENERAL CONSENSUS ABOUT HAVING A MINIGOALSETTING IN THE NEAR FUTURE, IN ORDER TO SET BASIC GOALS AND

OBJECTIVES AND THAT WE THEN DIRECT MARY GURLEY TO COORDINATE WITH US TO SET A DATE, IS THERE GENERAL CONSENSUS FOR THAT? OKAY.

FOR, 4-1, THAT PASSES. YOU NEED A FORMAL MOTION ON THAT, MARY GURLEY?

I WOULD PREFER A FORMAL MOTION TO HAVE A GOALSETTING AND TO HAVE STAFF DO A DATE.

OKAY. I WILL MOVE THAT WE DIRECT THAT A MINI-GOALSETTTNG, WITH NO

ADDITIONAL COST FOR A FACILITATOR OR OTHER EXPENSES BE SET IN THE

NEAR FUTURE AND THAT MARY GURLEY COORDINATE WITH EACH OF US IN

ORDER TO SET AN APPROPRIATE DATE, IDENTIFYING THAT THIS IS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THE GOALSETTING THAT HAS BEEN FUNDED BY THE $IO,OOO ITEM IN THE BUDGET.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

SECONDED BY COLINCILMEMBER MAURER.

SO MOVED TO HAVE STAFF SEND OUT MEETING DATES FOR A SPECIAL GOALSETTING, WITHIN TFIE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, HOW'S THAT? COUNCILMEMBER MAURER ?
YES.

COLTNCIL NUMBER MCLEWIS?
YES.

COLINCILMEMBER HINTON?
NO.

ZOLLMAN?
YES.

THIS PASSES 4.1 WITH COTINCIL OF HER HINTON IN OPPOSITION.

OKAY, THANK YOU, THANK YOU AND WE ARE DONE WITH THE BUDGET ITEM, }IE,SITATE TO DO THIS BUT IS ANYBODY NEED A REALLY QUICK LIKE BIO BREAK? OKAY, THAT IS LIKE TWO MINUTES, I AM NOT LEAVING MY TABLE. I WILL SEE EVERYBODY IN TWO MINUTES.

ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, WE ARE BACK FROM A BRIEF BREAK AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. I REALLY

APPRECIATE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC AND COLINCILMEMBERS FOR HANGING IN HERE AS WE MOVE TO THE SECOND, VERY IMPORTANT ITEM. THIS IS ITEM

NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR REGULAR CALENDAR AGENDA, DISCUSSION AND

CONSIDERATION OF PLACEMENT OF VALID MEASURE ONTO THE NOVEMBER }Oz4ELECTION, PULLING RESULTS ARE INCLUDED THERE AND THE

RESPONSIBLE DEPARTMENT IS THE CITY MANAGER CONSULTANT OUTSIDE

LEGAL COUNCIL, I AM TURNING TO OUR CITY MANAGER TO START DISCUSSION OF THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU. I GOT A PRESENTATION WHICH I WILL GO THROUGH RAPIDLY, I]NLESS SOMEBODY ASKS ME TO SLOW DOWN. I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.

I THINK WE WILL SUPPORT YOUR RAPID RLTN THROUGH.

HERE WE GO. YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE TALKING ABOUT A STRATEGIC

APPROACH WITH MULTIPLE WAYS OF ADDRESSING OUR FISCAL
CHALLENGES. SALES TAX INCREASE BEING ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT

BECAUSE THE SUSTAINABLE, LONG-TERM FTINDING SOURCE AND YOU HAVE

WILL BE SEEN THIS BEFORE, THIS IS THE NO-CHANGE WHAT WE ARE DOING

AND ARE SALES TAX, NO MAJOR CUTS AND WE RLTN OUT OF MONEY IN LESS THAN THREE YEARS AND THIS IS A SERIOUS FINANCIAL PROBLEM. QUARTER SENT OF SALES TAX GENERATES ABOUT $706,000 A YEAR AND WITH THIS WE WOULD HAVE $SOO,OOO IN FUTURE SERVICE CUTS OR FORGO FTINDING FOR PRESERVING OUR ASSETS, WHICH ESTIMATE AT ABOUT 9OO,OOO A YEAR IS NEEDED OR SOME KIND OF MIX OF THE TWO. AND HALF A CENT SALES TAX GENERATES ABOUT I.5 MILLION PER YEAR AND THAT ALLOWS US TO

PRESERVE OUR SERVICES AND OUR ASSETS, ALTHOUGH WE WOULD BE COMPETING WITH OUR KIDS OUR FUTURE TAX, POTENTIALLY ON TI{E NOVEMBER BALLOT. IN TERMS OF THE SURVEY RESULTS, I THINK YOU HAVE ALL SEEN THESE, PEOPLE GENERALLY LIKE THE JOB WE ARE DOING, TI{ERE IS

SUPPORT FOR SALES TAX OVER THE QUARTER AND HALF SENT MEASURES, BOTH NUMBERS AND A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT, LESS THAN 2%.

CITY MANAGER, I AM SORRY, BUT THESE POLL RESULTS?
THE POLL RESULTS.

THANK YOU. EXAMPLES OF POSSIBLE USES ARE NOTED HERE TO THINK YOU'VE SEEN THE MATERIALS, I WOULD JUST RUN THROUGH THEM.

COMPARISONS TO OTHER CITIES I GUESS WE ARE TIED FOR THIRD FOR TTM, HIGHEST DEPENDING HOW YOU LOOK AT IT. THIS IS PRE-MEASURE LATER AGE GOING TO AFFECT THIS FALL. WE ARE NOT TERRIBLY OUT OF WHACK

ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND THEN MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT A

RESOLUTION REPLACING THE SALES TAX MEASURE ON THE BALLOT

DETERMINE IF IT IS A QUARTER OR HALF CENT AND THEN APPOINT TO

COTINCILMEMBERS WITH ARGUMENTS IN FAVOR OF A MEASURE AND REBUTTAL ANY ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE MEASURE. THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

GREAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FROM COT]NCILMEMBERS? ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT?
COLINCILMEMBER HINTON, GO AI{EAD.

IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE STAFF REPORT WE HAVE PROPOSED LANGUAGE AND

ONE OF THE THINGS IT TALKS ABOUT IS OUR LIBRARY, ONE EXAMPLE, THAT

DID NOT PULL WELL AND I'M WONDERING, SHOULD THIS MEASURE BE ADruSTED BASED ON TFIEM STRENGTH OF TFIE POLLING? DO YOU THINK? TO GIVE US THE BEST ODDS OF PASSING. I HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH IT WORD

BY WORD BUT I DID GLANCE AT WHAT PULLED HEINLEIN DID NOT PULL HIS

HIGH AND THEN IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT FIRE BUT WE KNOW THAT FIRE WILL PROBABLY BE FUNDED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, I AM CURIOUS, WAS THIS TT{E SUGGESTED POLL QUESTION OR ARE WE STILL WORKING ON IT?
AND THAT IS PAGE THREE OF 88 THE STAFF REPORT.

I'M LOOKING AT THREE OF 88.

QUESTION FOR STAFF OR CONSULTANT IF THEY ARE AVAILABLE, DOES THIS PHRASING REFLECT THE RESULTS OF THE POLL?

IF I CAN I'M GOING TO STOP SHARING , ADAM IS STILL HERE WITH US, HE HAS

BEEN WITH US ALL EVENING, I'M GOING TO LET HIM RESPOND TO THAT IF I MAY.

GREAT, MAY YOU SHARE AN ANSWER WITH US, PLEASE?
SURE, MAYOR AND COLTNCIL. MY PERSPECTIVE IS THIS, THAT THERE ARE

DIFFERENT REASONS TO TNCLUDE LANGUAGE IN THE BALLOT QUESTION, THE

LABEL ITSELF, WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY FILL OUT THEIR BALLOT AT THEIR KITCHEN TABLE. SOMETIMES LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY

GEARED TOWARDS THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SHOULD BE INCLUDED AND FOR GREATEST EFFECT. SOMETIMES THE THINGS THAT

THEY ARE REALLY HAPPY WITH IS, HAS UTILITY BECAUSE IT SHOWS YOU'RE REINFORCING SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE ALREADY DOING WELL. THERE

ARE SOME OTHER CONSULTANTS INVOLVED THAT ARE VERY INVOLVED IN

THE OUTREACH COMPONENT OF THIS PROCESS AND I WOULD DEFER TO THEM ON THE FINAL LANGUAGE OR TI{E LANGUAGE THAT WAS DEVELOPED

BUT OUR RESEARCH INFORMED THAT AND FOR INSTANCE, THE LIBRARY

COMPONENT WOULD BE PART OF THAT SCENARIO WHERE PEOPLE ARE

MAYBE NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT IT BUT ARE QUITE HAPPY WITH HOW YOU MANAGE IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COLINCILMEMBERS ? IF NOT WE CAN -- GO AHEAD COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.

I DO SEE IS A PART OF TFM STAFF REPORT THAT AN AD HOC WOULD BE CREATED ., IT SOLINDS LIKE FOR THE BALLOT QUESTION I SAW THAT BUT MAYBE WE CAN GET THAT CLARIFIED. IT LOOKS LIKE COT]NCILMEMBER McLEWIS HAS A QUESTION AS WELL.

I THINK THE QUESTION, GO AHEAD COLINCIL NUMBER MCLEWIS, PROBABLY RELEVANT. GO AHEAD.

I HAVE A QUESTION I DON'T KNOW WHEN IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO BRING IT UP SO I'M ruST GOING TO ASK IT NOW OF MY COLLEAGUES.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I HAVE VOTED NO ON TAX MEASURES IN THE

PAST AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THIS TO FIGURE OUT

HOW TO GET TO YES AND, ALL DIFFERENT WAYS, FINALLY HAD A

CONVERSATION WITH OUR ATTORNEY BECAUSE THE CONCERN I HAVE IS

THAT WITH THE COMMIINITY, THEY HAVE GIVEN US OUR PRIORITIES,

GOTTEN A LOT OF MIXED INFORMATION BACK AND THIS IS MY QUESTION,

WOULD THE COUNCIL BE WILLING TO PUT TOGETHER AND COME BACK IN

EARNEST, NOT TFIE NEXT MEETING BUT THE MEETING AFTER THAT OR EVEN

BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER AND DO A COLINCIL POLICY THAT IS BASICALLY

A RESOLUTION ADOPTING A COLINCIL POLICY ON PRIORITIES OF

EXPENDITURES FROM THE SALES TAX AND I TALKED TO OUR ATTORNEYS

ABOUT THAT AND TTMY SAID THIS WAS DONE IN A VARIETY OF PLACES AND

IT WAS SIMPLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT NOT

GETTING PEOPLE ON BOARD BUT IF THEY PUT TOGETHER A POLICY AND

ACTUALLY PUT TFMIR INTENTIONS FORTH AND I KNOW WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT GOALSETTING BUT THIS IS SEPARATE AND ruST RELATED TO THAT. AND SOME EXAMPLES THAT HAVE GONE ON IS THEY HAVE PUT IN A

PERCENTAGE FOR ROADS, PERCENTAGE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, PERCENTAGE FOR PARKS AND PUT CAVEATS IN THERE THAT IF YOU DON'T SPEND 20%

PARKS AND WE WILL SPEND IT ON THAT AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF HER COUNCIL WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT ? I AM TRYING TO GET TO A YES

HERE, I TRULY AM BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE SPEND

MONEY IN THE HISTORY IN MY OPINION OF HOW YOU HAVE SPENT MONEY IS

NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN ON BEHALF OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS THAT WE TRULY SHOULD BE DOING FOR TFIE CITY. WE CANNOT

PUT IT IN THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT BECOMES A SPECIAL TAX AND IT IS

HARD TO PASS, SO IN TALKING WITH THE ATTORNEYS THIS IS WHAT THEY

SAID IS A COMPROMISE AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF MY COLLEAGUES ARE

IN EARNEST WILLING TO COME BACK AND VOTE ON A COLINCIL POLICY TO

SHOW OUR COMMUNITY , YOU KNOW, THAT WE ARE PRIORITIZING WHAT TFIEY TOLD US THEIR PRIORITIES ARE. THAT IS MY QUESTION.

INTERESTING QUESTION, RELEVANT, IS THIS SOMETHING, SHOULD THIS BE IN COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS? I THINK THE QUESTION THAT

COULD BE, THE QUESTION THAT COULD BE PRESENTED TO STAFF IS THAT

AND I THINK YOU ANSWERED IT, BUT TO CONFIRM FROM STAFF,IF WE

PURSUE THIS AS A GENERAL TAX AS PRESENTED HERE AND APPROVE IT

TONIGHT, COLINCILMEMBER MCLEWIS SAID SHE CONSULTED COLINCIL AND

HAS BEEN TOLD IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR THE COUNCIL TO THEN

HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ALLOCATION OF THOSE FUNDS, IS THERE ANY

INFORMATION THAT STAFF WOLILD HAVE THAT WOULD COLINTER THAT, TO THAT STATEMENT?

I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION COLTNTER TO THAT ONLY THAT I WOULD BE

CAUTIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE PUT INTO THE POLICY, THAT IT DOES NOT TRIGGER ANYTHING TO MAKE IT A SPECIAL ELECTION. ALEX IS ON THE CALL AND I THINK THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL, ALEX.

THANKS, MARY, THAT KIND OF POLICY IS ALLOWED, IT WILL NOT MAKE IT A SPECIAL TAX AND IT IS ruST A COUNCIL POLICY, NOT PART OF THE MEASURE.

IT IS POSSIBLE FUTURE COLINCIL WOULD HAVE AN AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THAT POLICY BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT TFIE COT]NCIL COULD ESTABLISH WITHOUT MAKING IT A SPECIAL TAX.

GREAT, THAT WOULD BE LEGAL AND IT WOULD PUT OUR TAX IN JEOPARDY AND IT COULD BE A STATEMENT OF INTENTION. SO, THE QUESTION HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY OUR COLLEAGUE AND IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US. WE DO

HAVE TFIE OPPORTUNITY AND THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO RESPOND

TO THE QUESTION FROM OUR COLLEAGUE, ANY CONCERN FROM STAFF IN DOING THAT?

THERE IS NO CONCERN ABOUT RESPONDING TO THE QUESTION ,

IT IS JUST

DO NOT MAKE A DECISION LINTIL AFTER --
YES. BUT COLINCILMEMBER MAURER?
I SUPPORT THAT IDEA. I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION, CAN WE ADD A SUNSET DATE?

COULD A SLINSET DATE BE, A QUESTION FOR ALEX, I BELIEVE, COULD A SLINSET DATE BE ADDED TO THIS TAX MEASURE?

YES, IF THE COLTNCIL WANTS, IT IS PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO

ON THE FLY TONIGHT BUT THAT IS SOMETHING TO COME BACK WITH THAT ADDED INTO THE ORDINANCE AND TO THE BALLOT QUESTION. THE MEASURE

ALSO GIVES THE COLTNCIL THE POWER TO END THE TAX AT ANY POINT IN

THE FUTURE AS WELL, THE COUNCIL ALWAYS RETAINS THAT AUTHORITY TO END IT.

YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE ABOUT THE WAY IT IS PHRASED NOW VERSUS ADDING A SUNSET DATE?
WE ARE PRETTY CLOSE, RIGHT AROLIND 7I WORDS AND YOU CAN ONLY PUT 75 IN THE BALLOT QUESTION, WE MAY HAVE TO ADruST A LITTLE BIT TO PUT IN THAT. IF YOU SAY FOR IO YEARS OR SOMETHING, THAT IS 10 YEARS AND WE COULD MAKE IT WORK, IT IS ruST HARD TO COUNT ON TFIE FLY.

I LTNDERSTAND . WHAT IS YOUR ADVICE? WHAT WOULD BE GAINED BY PUTTING IN A SLTNSET CLAUSE?
I WOULD DEFER TO T}IE POLL CONSULTANT WHO MAYBE KNOWS HOW THOSE CHANGES HELP OR HURT OR DO NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

I CAN SHARE SOME PERSPECTIVE THERE. WE OFTEN ASK THAT QUESTION IN AN A.B. TEST, WHERE WE ASK HALF THE VOTERS, WE PUT SOME SLTNSET

INTERVAL ON, WE DON'T TEND TO SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US TWO

AND IN THIS CASE WE DID NOT ASK THAT BUT YOU HAVE CLEAR SUPPORT FROM THE VOTERS COMPONENT.

THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM COI.INCILMEMBERS? I WLL

WEIGH IN AND ANSWER TO COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS' QUESTION, I'M OPEN

TO A DISCUSSION BY THIS COLINCIL ABOUT THE ALLOCATION OF THE FLINDS

IN A STATEMENT OF INTENTION AS TO THE ALLOCATION OF THE FLTNDS RECEIVED FROM THE SALES TAX. I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT AT ALL, TO

HAVING THAT DISCUSSION AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT, ESPECIALLY IF IT WOULD HELP BRING COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS .

CREATING A POLICY AND NOT JUST DISCUSSION.

I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS ABOUT DOING THAT. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC. THAT WOULD BE MY ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.

I'M INTRIGUED BY THE SL]NSET DATE.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COLTNCIL? I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE TIME TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC. NO. OKAY. LET'S GO TO TTM PUBLIC, MARY GURLEY, IF WE COULD ALMOST HAVE A.

THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED SALES TAX MEASURE,IF YOU LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT I WILL GO TO IN CHAMBERS FIRST.

AARON?
GOOD EVENING, WILL MAKE IT QUICK. AS MOST OF YOU KNOW I AM THE

UNION REP FOR SEIU AND WE REPRESENT THE PUBLIC WORKS STAFF AND

WHAT IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL REVENUE, COST

SERVICES THAT ARE PUBLIC DEPENDS ON WOULD BE THREATENED AND THE

CITY ALSO RISKS LOSING INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE DUE TO THE CITY'S INABILITY TO RETAIN AND RECRUIT QUALIFIED STAFF. AND AS A GENERAL

RULE, THIS ONLY PROLONGS ECONOMIC RECOVERY, SEIU URGES THE COUNCIL TO PLEASE ALLOW THE CIry RESIDENTS TO DECIDE ON A HALF OF THE TWO SALES TAX, THANK YOU.

YOU, AARON. NEXT I WILL GO TO ZOO}/. ROBERT, CAN YOU MEET YOURSELF?
YES.

I WIL LET YOU KNOW YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT, GO AHEAD.

OKAY, REALLY QUICK. I SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE

DISINGENUOUS NATURE ABOUT THE WORDING IT IS SUGGESTING WE WILL SPEND MONEY ON POLICE AND THEN ON FIRE. WHEN IN FACT WE ARE

PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO SPEND ANYMORE MONEY ON POLICE AND FIRE IS GOING TO GO BY THE WAYSIDE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. I THINK THAT

COLTNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS'S SUGGESTION OF A POLICY HOWEVER IS AN

EXCELLENT WAY TO MANEUVER AROUND THE SPECIAL TAX ISSUES AND I FULLY SUPPORT THAT. I THINK YOU SHOULD ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT MAYBE

TAKING OUT FIRE AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT YOU ARE

REALLY NEVER GOING TO SPEND ANY MONEY ON AND IT SHOULD NOT BE IN THERE, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WLL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. SEEING NONE I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOO]|I. LINDA, CAN YOU AND MEET YOURSELF, PLEASE? LINDA, GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.

I WANT TO SAY HI TO RICHARD, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING UP BUT ANYWAY, I ALWAYS FIND IT INTRIGUING THAT YOU KNOW YOU PUT TT{E

BURDEN OF THE DYSFLINCTION OF THE PREVIOUS, RELATIVELY RECENT CITY

COLINCIL MEMBERS AND ALL OF TFIEIR FAILURES, YOU KNOW, ON US, THE TAXPAYERS HERE IN THIS TOWN, YOU KNOW? I HATE TO GO BACK A LITTLE

BIT BUT TO LOOK AT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING US INTO DEBT IN

THE SITUATION AND IT IS MAYOR HERE ALONG WITH SLATER AND NEYSA

WHO PREVIOUSLY WENT AHEAD AND SIGNED A FIVE POINT MILLION-DOLLAR

LOAN, NOT KNOWING THAT IT WAS ALONE AT ALL AND THEY WERE

HURTING FOR TIME AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND DANTE HAD PRESENTED

THIS, ALONG WITH THE WIRELESS WATER METERS AND THAT WAS IT NO COST, NO COST.

LNDA; YOU GOT 30 SECONDS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT IT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE MAYOR OR SELF WAS

RESPONSIBLE, SHE IS THE LIAISON FOR THIS RV VILLAGE THATHAS TURNED

OUT TO BE A COMPLETE DISASTER AND SHE IS LEADING US INTO MORE

DISASTER WITH THE CRIMINALS AND THE FELONS, AND THE CRIMINAL

ELEMENTS THAT SHE HAS ATTRACTED AND IS GOING TO KEEP IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT IS ruST DEVASTATING FINANCIALLY AND IT HAS CHANGED THE ENTIRE CHARACTER OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

LINDA, THAT IS TWO MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, NEXT I WILL COME BACK TO

CHAMBERS, SEEING NONE EVER GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM, KYLE, YOU CAN MEETYOURSELF, PLEASE.
wow. HERE WE ARE.I A SALES TAX. JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH

TIME WE HAVE SPENT ON AGGRESSIVE SALES TAX MEASURE, THIS HAS BEEN coING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THIS IS NOT ruST SOME, NEW, LET'S GO

AHEAD AND FIND A REVENUE SOURCE AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND ASK THE PUBLIC TO INCREASE SALES TAX TO DO THIS. WE SPENT PROBABLY, NEAR $IOO,OOO IN TOTAL AND ruST CONSULTING FEES ALONE AND IMAGINE THE

AMOLINT OF STAFF TIME THAT HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF

TRYING TO DEVELOP A SALES TAX MEASURE AND HOW WE CAN PITCH THIS THING TO THE PUBLIC. RIGHT? HERE WE ARE, RIGHT BACK AT A SPOT WHERE

WE SEE SALES TAX MEASURE THAT IS LEANING HEAVILY INTO POLICE, FIRE, SAFETY, RIGHT? USING THIS CERTAIN LANGUAGE TO PITCH A SALES TAX TO TI{E PUBLIC WHEN WE ALL WELL KNOW THIS IS JUST GOING TO THE GENERAL FI.]ND AND ARE GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS INTO GOING TO SPEND HOURS AND HOURS DEBATING ON $4OOO FOR SOME PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOR CITY COLINCIL OR YOU GOING TO DEBATE $4O,OOO FOR CITY MANAGER BUDGET SIX MONTHS DOWN TFIE LINE. SO, BY ALL MEANS, GET YOUR REVENUE THAT YOU NEED BUT CONSIDER, IN THE FUTURE, ruST

BE HONEST ABOUT THE APPROACH THAT YOU TAKE IN ASKING THE PUBLIC FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN SOMETHING LIKE A SALES TAX. IT IS FOR THE GENERAL FUND, COLLEGE FOR THE GENERAL FI.IND AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE FOR SUMMING SPECIFIC, DO NOT GO FOR A GENERAL FUND TAX MEASURE.

KYLE, YOU HAVE ABOUT 20 SECONDS.

GO AHEAD AND ACTUALLY PITCH IT SPECIFICALLY FOR TFIE BUDGETARY ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR. BECAUSE WE ALL WELL KNOW

THIS IS GOING TO A GENERAL FUND, A GIANT SLUSH FLTND AND ARE GOING TO FIGHT AND THROW-IN THINGS AT THE llth HOUR TRYING TO GET STAFF HIRES IN THE l lth HOUR WITHOUT ACTUAL PUBLIC INPUT ON THE PROCESS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, KYLE FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. SEEING NONE, OLIVER, CAN YOU MEET YOURSELF, PLEASE? I AM IN YOU DID.

GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.

QUICKLY, IT IS LATE. I DID ACTUALLY SAY AT THE LIVE TOWN HALL, IF IT IS A QUARTER CENT SALES TAX WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT $7OO,OOO AND

THERE IS A HUGE SHOPPING LIST ON THAT SLIDE WAS MAILED OUT TO EVERYBODY OTHER THINGS IN THEORY THE MONEY COULD BE SPENT ON. I

WOULD AGREE TO SOME EXTENT WITH KYLE BUT IN A MORE POSITTVE WAY,

WE REALLY NEED TO SHOW THE COUNCIL TO SHOW VERY CLEAR
INTENTIONS OF THEIR PzuORITIES, SELL DISCRETE, SPECIFIC TOPICS TO HAVE

A CHANCE PEOPLE VOTING ON THE SALES TAX BECAUSE AS I HAVE SAID

PREVIOUSLY THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY PAST INSTANCES WHERE MONEY HAS BEEN ALLOCATED TO BE SPENT ON THINGS AND IT ruST DISAPPEARED INTO THE GENERAL FTIND. SO, THE MARKETING OF THIS HAS TO BE VERY CLOSELY TIED TO A VERY CLEAR PRIORITY. THANK YOU.

FIGURE, OLIVER FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I BECOME ONE LAST TIME TO CHAMBERS. SEEING NONE, MARY, CAN YOU MEET YOURSELF, THERE YOU GO.

I DID. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT DOES UNTIL ENDED BY VOTERS MEAN? HOW DO VOTERS END THE TAX? OR IS THIS LIKE OUR HOSPITAL TAX, WE JUST KEEP PAYING AND PAYING AND PAYING. THANKS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. AGAIN I WILL COME BACK INTO

CHAMBERS, SEEING NONE I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM,IF THERE IS ANYBODY THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TF{E SALES

TAX MEASURE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY, DOROTHY, CAN YOU MEET YOURSELF, PLEASE?
OKAY, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
I CAN HEAR YOU AND I WILL JUMP IN AND YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT.

OKAY, WE NEED MONEY TO PAY INFRASTRUCTURE, MAINTENANCE, REPAIR THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE FOR WHAT? FIVE, SIX YEARS. IF YOU TIE THE TAX TO THE SEWER AND THE WATER, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW OR ruST LET THEM

ALL FAIL AND THEN PEOPLE LINDERSTAND WHY THEY SHOULD'VE SIGNED

AND BROUGHT ON TO THE TAX BUT TIE IT TO THOSE TWO THINGS, THOSE THE TWO BIG THINGS WE HAVE NOT BEEN FIXING OVER TI{E YEARS. WATER AND SEWER, PLEASE, THANKS A LOT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. AGAIN, I WLL GO OUT AND

CALL, ONE LAST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE SALES TAX MEASURE,

IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY, SENIOR NONE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARY GURLEY. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND

EVERYONE THAT FIRE SERVICES, THERE WILL BE MONEY THAT IS

OBLIGATED FROM HER GENERAL FUND INTO THE FUTURE AS NEGOTIATED

WITH GOLD RIDGE, SO, IT IS NOT AS IF NO MONEY WILL GO FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO FIRE SERVICES WITH CONSOLIDATION. SO, THAT IS AN INTEREST WE NEED TO SUPPORT. WE ARE FULLY AWARE, THIS COLTNCIL WAS FULLY AWARE OF ALL TI{E IMPRECATIONS OF TFIE WIRELESS WATER METERS

WHEN A DECISION WAS MADE REGARDING THE SUPPORT OF THAT FLTNDING EFFORT. I HAVE TO COMMENT THAT EACH EXPENSE IS WORTH PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO, $4OOO MAY NOT BE MEANINGFUL TO OUR SPEAKER FROM THE

PUBLIC BUT IT IS VERY MEANINGFUL TO TAXPAYERS WHO TOOK THE MONEY

OUT OF THEIR POCKETS, SO, WE PAY ATTENTION TO ALL OF THOSE AMOLTNTS. WE ARE HONEST AND TRANSPARENT ABOUT OUR EXPENDITURES

AND OUR INTENTIONS AND I POINTED TO COUNCILMEMBER MCLEWIS '

SUGGESTION A FEW MOMENT AGO AND WE DO NOT TREAT THE GENERAL FUND AS A SLUSH FLIND, EVER. EDUCATION TO THE PUBLIC IS VERY

IMPORTANT ON THE SALES TAX MEASURE AND I CERTAINLY WOULD AGREE

AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS A SALES TAX MEASURE, I AM SURE I CAN SPEAK FOR TI{EM AND SAYING THAT INFORMATION EDUCATION WILL BE ESSENTIAL. I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN ANSWER TO THAT VARIANCE IN QUESTION, WHAT DOES LINTIL ENDED BY THE VOTERS MEAN? HOW WOULD TF{E VOTERS END THIS TAX MEASURE? THIS IS A QUESTION FOR ALEX, IF HE IS STILL ON?
I AM HE,RE, YES, MAYOR. THE VOTERS CAN END IT THROUGH TFIE INITIATIVE PROCESS. YOU KNOW, GATHERING SIGNATURES AND PUTTING A MEASURE

ON THE BALLOT TO END IT OR OF COURSE ALSO TFIE COUNCIL COULD END IT AT ANY TIME. THOSE TWO METHODS.

GREAT. THANK YOU, VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. WE ARE NOW BACK AT TFIE COUNCIL TABLE. I AM LOOKING AT STAFF, ANYTHING TO OFFER FOR US BEFORE WE START DISCUSSION?
ruST A REMINDER THAT THERE WAS A REVISED RESOLUTION AND I WANT

TO MAKE SURE WE ARE WORKING OFF THE SAME PAGE,IT WAS POSTED AND WAS SENT OUT LAST WEEK.

OKAY. I THINK THAT IS THE RESOLUTION VERSION WE HAD REDLINED,IT SHOWED THE CHANGES. CORRECT? OKAY. ruST MAKING SURE THAT ALL

COLINCIL MEMBERS ARE AWARE OF THAT IF THEY HAD THE REDLINE

VERSION IN FRONT OF THEM, THAT IS THE UP DATED RESOLUTION, IS THAT CORRECT? OR AM I MISSTATING?
I CAN SHOW IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE, TO MAKE SURE.

I WOULD SHARE THE SCREEN.

OR PERHAPS, MARY GURLEY, YOU COULD JUST EMAIL IT TO ALL OF US, RIGHT NOW. BUT YES, IF YOU COULD SHARE IT.

I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE EASIER TO SHARE THE SCREEN.

SURE. IT IS LENGTHY, I'M HOPING WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH IT. ruST PUTTING THE ONLY CHANGE HERE ON THE MEASURE ITSELF,

CHANGING FIRE PROTECTION TO WILDFIRES RESPONSE AND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND ONE MINOR CHANGE AT THE END TO TAKE OUT AND.

WAIT A SECOND, FOR SOME REASON I PRINTED THE OLD ONE.

IT APPEARS IN THE THIRD LINE THE WORD FIRE PROTECTION HAS BEEN REPLACED BY THE WORD WILD -- WILDFIRES. AND AT THE END DISCLOSURE,, ALL FUNDS USE LOCALLY, BE ADOPTED. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT IS VERY HELPFUL,I THINK.

SO,I PUBLICLY STATED I WOULD SUPPORT A QUARTER CENT SALES TAX

MEASURE AND WE HAD THE SURVEY AND THE TOWN HALLS AND PEOPLE

APPROACHED ME ASKING FOR ME TO SUPPORT HALF SENT TAX, AND I

THOUGHT ABOUT OUR ENTIRE FINANCIAL PICTURE AND THE ONE PIECE FOR

ME THAT IS NOT ADDRESSED IN ANY OF OUR FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS OR ANYTHING IS THE NEED FOR ROADS. TO HAVE THE ROADS TAKEN CARE OF. I

WAS THINKING THAT IF I CAN SUPPORT A QUARTER CENT, IF I SUPPORTED TI{E OTI{ER QUARTER CENT FOR ROADS, THAT WOULD WORK FOR ME. I WOULD SUPPORT A }IALF CENT BUT I ALSO WANT THE ASSURANCE THAT AT

LEAST THREE OF US ON COLINCIL HERE , YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THE IDEA OF PI]TTING MONEY TOWARD REPAIRING THE ROADS. I AM NOT SAYING USE ALL OF IT FOR ROADS BUT YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY A BIG CHLTNK OF IT, 50% OF IT. I ALSO WOULD SUPPORT STAFFING FOR ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS BUT I

THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL, POLICE AND FIRE

TO SUPPORT FULL STAFFING AND THEN MAINTENANCE OF STREETS AND ROADS AND PARKS. PARKS ARE, ALSO IMPORTANT TO ME. I WOULD SUPPORT

JILL'S IDEA AND HAVE THE RESOLUTION AND I WOULD ALSO, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE IDEA OF A 12 YEAR SUNSET DATE THAT COINCIDES WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THAT WAS RECOMMENDED, 12 YEARS.

THAT SEEMS A REALLY LONG TIME ,

I AM IN SUPPORT OF A SUNSET CLAUSE
TOO, I DON'T KNOW. YOU CORRELATED THAT WITH --
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. I AM NOT TREAT YEARS IS ENOUGH. YOU KNOW? THINGS GO SLOWER THAN WE THINK.

OKAY, COLINCILMEMBER MAURER, THANK YOU. COLINCILMEMBER
McLEWIS, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING?

I'M CURIOUS ON YOUR THOUGHTS BECAUSE I WAS THINKING LIKE EIGHT

YEARS, FIVE YEARS, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SO UPSET, THEY ARE COMPARING THIS TO TTM, HOSPITAL TAX.

THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT, AND I DON'T, EIGHT YEARS AT END

ABOUT THE TIME WE PEAK ON HER FIRST PAYMENT OBLIGATIONS AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ALMOST 3 MILLION SET-ASIDES REALLY HELPS

MITIGATE THE PAIN BUT IT STARTS DECLINING, AT LEAST THE LATEST PROJECTIONS AFTER THAT. I WILL TELL YOU, EIGHT YEARS, 12 YEARS, THAT GETS US IN A LOT BETTER SHAPE THAN WE ARE TODAY.

I CAN SUPPORT EIGHT. PERSONALLY.

I'M GOING TO LOOK TO COI.INCILMEMBER HINTON FOR HER COMMENTS AND TFIEN VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN .

I'M GLAD YOU GUYS POINTED OUT BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST

THAT FIRE PROTECTION BE PULLED OUT AND I AM GLAD, I FORGOT IT WAS ALREADY REDLINED. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT HALF CENT SALES TAX TONIGHT AND I WILL SUPPORT TFIE SUNSET OF 12 YEARS. I ORIGINALLY WAS

NOT SUPPORTING A SLINSET, I THINK THIS IS A COMPROMISE BUT I HAVE

BEEN ON THE COLNCIL EIGHT YEARS AND WE THOUGHT THE HOTEL WAS GOING TO BE BUILT AND LOOK WHERE WE ARE TODAY. I HAVE TO SAY THAT

EIGHT YEARS GOES BY LIKE NOBODY'S BUSINESS AND IF WE ARE GOING TO

GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS TROUBLE THAN WE NEED A STOPGAP AND WE CAN ALWAYS END IT EARLIER. THAT IS ON THE TABLE BUT I WOULD AGREE

THAT IT SHOULD COINCIDE WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL AND I WOULD SUPPORT 12 YEARS. THAT IS WHERE I AM SITTING TONIGHT.

SINCE IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED BY TWO COUNCILMEMBERS, WHAT IS YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE IDEA OF A RESOLUTION OR POLICY?
I AM 1OO% FOR THAT. I AGREE AND I AM FINE WITH TRANSPARENCY. I MEAN,

OBVIOUS YOU HAVE BEEN IN FAVOR OF ATTACKS FOR A WHILE NOW, IT IS NO SECRET. IF THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES TO GET US OVER THE FINISH LINE, I AM

TOTALLY FINE WITH THE POLICY IN PLACE TFIAT WOULD TELL THE PUBLIC

HOW WE PLAN TO ALLOCATE THESE FUNDS AND IN FACT I THINK IT WILL

HELP US GET THE MEASURE PASSED BECAUSE EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A LOT MORE CONFIDENCE.

OKAY. I WILL TURN TO COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN AND I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THE CLOCK, IS IT REALLY ALMOST 11:30 ? OH, MY GOSH.

I SUPPORT HALF CENT SALES TAX AND YES, I AM FINE WITH HAVING TFTE

POLICY THAT WE CAN PASS TO INFORM THE VOTERS AND IT CAN ALWAYS

BE CHANGED, DEPENDING UPON HOW THINGS EVOLVE BUT I WOULD PREFER

TO JUST HAVE IT THE OPEN-ENDED LINTIL THE VOTERS DECIDE TO DO DIFFERENTLY.

OKAY. WEIGHING IN, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT BE A HALF PERCENT WITH

NO SLINSET CLAUSE BUT I AM LISTENING TO OUR COLINCILMEMBERS AND I

FEEL THAT A UNIFIED FRONT IS THE BEST WAY TO GET TFIE SALES TAX APPROVED IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO, I RECOGNIZETHE COPPER MY STATEMENT MADE BY COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. I WOULD SUPPORT THE SALES TAX AS PROPOSED BUT WITH A 12 YEAR SLINSET CLAUSE. I WOULD AGREE TO THAT. AND I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT A COMMITMENT TO BRINGING

A DISCUSSION BACK TO TTIE CITY COLINCIL TO DETERMINE THE PARTICULAR

ALLOCATION OF SALES TAXES,IN A FORMAL FASHION, IN TERMS OF HOW

THAT WOULD BE ALLOCATED, I WOULD SAY TO COTINCILMEMBER MAURER

TFIAT UNTIL WE HAVE THE FULL DISCUSSION ,

I WOULD SAY YES TO ROADS

AND STREETS BUT I CANNOT COMMIT TO A PERCENTAGE TONIGHT OR ANY

SORT OF SPECIFIC ALLOCATION UNTIL I HEAR FROM MY FELLOW COUNCILMEMBERS. SO, THAT IS HOW I SIT ON THAT. COLINCILMEMBER McLEWIS, YES?

I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN WILLING TO APPROVE THIS

AND I STILL HAVE RESERVATIONS AND THAT THE ONLY REASON I AM

WILLING TO CONSIDER THIS AND WHY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET TO A YES

IS BECAUSE I HAVE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THE FEEDBACK AND WE HAVE IfiARD, WE HAVE RECEIVED SO MUCH FEEDBACK

THAT PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH THIS AND I ALWAYS SAY THAT I WANT TO

LISTEN TO THE COMMLTNITY, SO, SETTING MY OWN RESERVATIONS ASIDE I

FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT IT MAKE SENSE TO BRING IT TO THE VOTERS AND

THAT IS WHY I SPENT THIS TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET TO A YES AND OVER THIS. SO, HALF CENT, I WILL GET ON BOARD WITH A 12 YEAR

SLINSET AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS IN EARNEST IN

BRINGING THE POLICY BACK BECAUSE THAT IS LIKE THE DEALBREAKER FOR

ME AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN I WILL COME OUT HARD AGAINST TTM SALES TAX,I W[L. TO ME WE OWE THE VOTERS THAT, IN MY OPINION. THAT

IS WHERE I AM AT AND I DO HAVE RESERVATIONS WITH THIS BUT I AM LISTENING TO THE COMMLINITY AND SO, THAT IS WHERE I AM AT.

OKAY . I THINK WE MAY BE PREPARED FOR EMOTION. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY.

MADAME MAYOR, SORRY TO INTERRUPT BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT WHERE TI{E CHANGES WOULD BE BECAUSE I'M HEARING A CONSENSUS FOR THE 12 YEARS.

IS THERE A THUMBS UP ON THE CONSENSUS FOR 12 YEARS, YES. THERE IS.

AND ABOUT QUESTION ITSELF WHERE IT CURRENTLY SAYS UNTIL ENDED BY VOTERS, THAT WILL BE CHANGED TO SAY, FOR 12 YEARS AND IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, THE ACTUAL TEXT OF TI{E MEASURE, THE VERY LAST SECTION, 3.7 O.160 IT CURRENTLY SAYS LINTIL ENDED BY VOTERS AND INSTEAD IT WILL SAY, SHALL TERMIN ATE 12 YEARS, EXCUSE ME, THE 12th ANNIVERSARY OF THE OPERATTVE DATE. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON TFIE RECORD.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL FOR MAURER?

MAY I ASK THE OUTSIDE COUNCIL QUESTION , ALEX, THIS IS MARY, CAN A SI-INSET DATE BE DECEMBER 31st, 2036? INSTEAD OF 12 YEARS ON THE ANNIVERSARY DATE?

IT CAN, BUT THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE WILL NOT START COLLECTING THE TAX UNTIL APRIL lst,2025,IF YOU WANT 12 YEARS OF COLLECTING IT IT WOULD REALLY BE 12 YEARS FROM 2025.

OKAY. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

TI{ANK YOU. CAN YOU ARTICULATE A MOTION FOR US, MARY? OR SHALL I TAKE A SHOT AT IT?
ruST A SECOND.

YES. A MOTION TO APPROVE A SALES TAX MEASURE FOR A HALF PERCENT WITH A 12 YEAR SLINSET DATE AND WITH THE COMMITMENT BY ALL CITY COI.INCILMEMBERS TO RETURN FOR A DISCUSSION BEFORE THE CIry COT]NCIL, TO DECIDE UPON A POLICY TO DIRECT ALLOCATION OF SALES TAX FLINDS, THE RESOLUTION OR POLICY? I'M NOT SURE.

IT IS A COTINCIL POLICY.

OKAY.

IS NOT SUFFICIENT, MARY ? AND I'M SORRY, COUNCILMEMBERS, DO YOU THINK I CAPTURED WHAT OUR INTENT WAS? OKAY. MARY GIRLIE? SORRY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE TI{E WORDING CORRECTLY .

PLEASE DO. ALEX, CAN YOU RE-STATE HOW YOU STATED THE EXPIRATION OF THE 12 YEARS?
YES. IN THE FINAL SECTION IT WILL BE, WILL TERMINATE 12 YEARS FROM THE OPERATIVE DATE.

FROM WHEN WE COLLECT.

THE QUESTION IS, 12 YEARS FROM THE OPERATIVE DATE, WHICH WOULD MEAN WHAT?
THAT WOULD BE APRIL lst, 2037.
12 YEARS FROM APRIL lst OF 2025.

CORRECT.

OKAY, THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS BEING ASKED? SO, WE ARE

WAITING FOR MARY TO STRUCTURE OUR MOTION CORRECTLY, WHICH GIVEN

TFIAT IT IS A SALES TAX MEASURE, AND I APOLOGIZE TO HER ACTING FIRE CHIEF, WE WILL NOT BE GETTING TO THE FIRE AD HOC ITEMS. YEAH.

I'M GOING TO TRY THIS. WHOEVER WILL MOVE THE SECOND, SHALL BE TFIE MOTION. TO DROP THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION CALLING FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A GENERAL TAX MEASURE ON TI{E BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER 51h,2024 GENERAL MUSICAL ELECTION, FOR THE SUBMISSION TO THE

QUALIFIED VOTERS OF AN ORDINANCE TO ENACT A GENERAL TRANSACTION

IN SALES TAX AT THE RATE OF HALF CENT IN REQUESTING THAT THE

SONOMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONSENTS THE CONSOLIDATION

OF THE ELECTION WITH THE STATEWIDE GENERAL ELECTION TO BE HELD ON

TIIE SAME DATE AND MODIFY THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION AN ORDINANCE

TO REFER TO A HALF CENT TAX AND TO ADOPT BY MOTION UP TWO

MEMBERS OF THE CITY COLTNCIL TO PREPARE THE ARGUMENT TO BE

SUBMITTED IN FAVOR OF THE MEASURE AND A REBUTTAL AGAINST ANY

ARGUMENT SUBMITTED AGAINST THE MEASURE, DIRECTING STAFF TO

RETURN TO THE CITY COLINCIL POLICY ON THE ALLOCATION OF THE SALES

TAX FUNDS AT TFIE MEASURE IS APPROVED AND I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THE BALLOT MEASURE QUESTION. SO, THE SEBASTOPOL PUBLIC SAFETY

ROAD CITY'S SAFETY MEASURE TO MAINTAIN SEBASTOPOL CITY SERVICES SUCH AS 911, EMERGENCY, MEDICAL, POLICE, FIRE RESPONSE, WILDFIRE

EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, MAINTENANCE AND STREETS OF RHODES,

LIBRARIES, YOUTH AND SENIOR SERVICES, RETAINING, ATTRACTING LOCAL

BUSINESSES AND FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT USE, SHALL THE MEASURE ESTABLISHING A HALF CENT SALES TAX GENERATING APPROXIMATELY I.5, THINK IT IS MORE THAN THAT, ISN'T IT? I.65 SORRY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TIAVE THE CORRECT, OKAY, I MILLION -- SORRY. AND GENERATING I,OOO,52O, 1.5 MILLION ANNUALLY TERMINATING 12 YEARS IN THE OPERATIVE

DATE REQUIRING AUDITS IN PUBLIC SPENDING DISCLOSURE, ALL FTINDS LOCALLY BE ADOPTED. DID I CAPTURE EVERYTHING?
so MovED, ALTHOUGH I HAVE A QUESTION, DO WE HAVE TO APPOINT TWO COUNCILMEMBERS TONIGHT? CAN I BE DONE AT THE NEXT MEETING? SECOND ON THE MOTION. TO WRITE THE ARGUMENT YOU'D WANT TO APPOINT TONIGHT. IT'S THE, ONE WE WANT TO APPOINT TWO

COLTNCILMEMBERS ESPECIALLY SINCE TWO OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GONE FOR TFIE NEXT MEETING. CAN YOU DO THE MOTION AND THEN APPOINT? OR DO WE NEED TO GET THAT INTO THE MOTION, MARY? DO THAT NOW.

WHO WANTS TO VOLLINTEER, I SEE VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO VOLUNTEER TO BE ON THAT? OKAY,I WILL VOLLINTEER, FINE. I AM VOLLINTEERING. OKAY. THE COUNCILMEMBERS THUMBS UP, OKAY WITH APPOINTING ME AND VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN TO THE COMMITTEE? OKAY.

SO, MODIFYING IS NEEDED,.MARY GURLEY ?

THERE IS NO MOTION YET ,

I WILL NEED SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION,
I WILL MAKE THE MOTION.

I WILL DO THE SECOND.

SO MOVED BY MAYOR RICH AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HINTON

TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION, POINTING

VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND MAYOR RICH TO PREPARE AN ARGUMENT TO

BE SUBMITTED IN FAVOR OF A MEASUREMENT IN THE REBUTTAL

ARGUMENT OR ANY ARGUMENT AGAINST THE MEASURE AND THEN TO

DIRECT STAFF TO RETURN WITH THE CITY COUNCIL POLICY FOR

ALLOCATION OF FLINDS FOR THE SALES TAX MEASURE OF THEM MOTION IF

THE MEASURE PASSES AND THEN THE QUESTION IS READ, AMENDED TO STATE TERMINATING 12 YEARS UPON THE OPERATIVE DATE.

COLINCILMEMBER HINTON. C OUNCILMEMBER MAURER, COLINCIL FOR McLEWIS. VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, MAYOR RICH, THE MOTION PASSES LTNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. THE MEETING HAS CONCLUDED AT I I:35,

APOLOGIES FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT WE DIDNOT GET TO, ESPECIALLY TFIE FIRE AD HOC BUT AGENDA SETTING IS MEETING TOMORROW MORNING.

OKAY, THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, EVERYONE. WE GOT THROUGH IT. [Event Concludedl