DOWN? OKAY. 10,000, WARMING AND COOLING CENTER? FOUR THUMBS UP,
ONE THUMBS DOWN AND THEN THE AD HOC COMMITTEE , I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE OTHER AD HOC COMMITTEE.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE AD HOC WHEN WE GET TO THE PUBLIC WORKS? BECAUSE THAT INVOLVES THE SPECIFIC ENTITY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE AD HOC, IS THERE A GENERAL , WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE ON A AD HOC FOR SAFE? OKAY. WE CANNOT ADD A AD HOC BECAUSE WE NEED TWO PEOPLE. IS THERE A ROLE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBER AND INQUIRING INTO THE SAFE POGROM? NO? IS THERE A
ROLE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBER IN PURSUING AN INTEREST REGARDING THE SAFE PROGRAM?
WE DID IT FOR THE LIBRARY.
AND WORKING WITH THE CHIEF?
IT WAS A LIBRARY AD HOC THAT WAS CREATED IN THE COUNCIL GAVE
DIRECTION FOR ONE OF US TO APPEAR , SO THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR JUST ONE COUNCILMEMBER DOING AN AD HOC.
SO, GIVEN TIMING AND OTHER TOPICS WE NEED TO COVER I THINK, LET'S
LEAVE IT IN VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN'S COURT TO BRING FORWARD AN ITEM
IF HE SO CHOOSES TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WOULD PROVIDE A ROLE FOR THEM TO PURCHASE PAID IN PURSUIT OF A SAFE PROGRAM.
HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE WORK WE HAVE DONE? THE POLICE CHIEF HAS ALREADY WRITTEN A MEMO, WHAT ELSE DO I NEED TO BRING? SO MAYBE THERE'S NOTHING MORE TO BE DONE? I DON'T KNOW.
GREAT.
I DON'T KNOW I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S NO SUPPORT FOR AN AD HOC
TONIGHT BUT YOU CAN SEE ON THE COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH A PROPOSAL OF SOME KIND.
SO, TWO POINTS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WILL BE A
PRESENTATION AT AN UPCOMING MEETING MOBILE SUPPORT TEAM WHICH
IS ESSENTIALLY THEIR VERSION OF A SAFE TEEN AND THAT THE INFORMATION I BE INTERESTING FOR THIS CONVERSATION. THE SECOND IS
THAT IF WE DO SOME KIND OF MINI-GOALSETTING PROCESS IN A MONTH OR
TWO THAT IN TERMS OF POLICE AND STAFF SUPPORT AND WHAT YOU
WOULD WANT, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING THIS WORK ALONG WITH ANY OTHER WORK.
THANK YOU. AND I WILL OFFER TO BE ON AN AD HOC WITH VICE MAYOR
ZOLLMAN TO INQUIRE INTO THE SAFE PROGRAM AND HE AND I WILL
PARTNER TO BRING A REPORT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT MIGHT
PROPOSE THAT AND THE CITY COUNCIL CAN THEN MAKE A DECISION, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? TO THE CITY COUNCIL. DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE AN AD HOC I AM JUST SAYING WE WILL BRING IT BACK. I GUESS I DON'T NEED CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. MARY GIRLIE?
YOU ARE CORRECT, IF YOU ARE NOT CREATING TONIGHT THEN YOU DON'T NEED COUNCIL APPROVAL.
YES. WE ARE JUST INFORMING THE CITY COUNCIL THAT VICE MAYOR
ZOLLMAN AND I ARE CONSIDERING THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN AD HOC TO
INQUIRE INTO THE SAFE PROGRAM AND IF WE DECIDE TO DO THAT WE WILL
DECIDE TO DO IT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT CLOSE THE ISSUE PROPERLY?
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YES. DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US ON POLICE OR CAN WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC WORKS?
OKAY.
PUBLIC WORKS. ALL RIGHT, THIS IS A BIG TOPIC. WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS ON THE BOARD, WE HAVE DANTE READY TO BE GRILLED. I AM GOING TO
START, AND WE HAVE NOT ADDED ANYTHING TO THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET, THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL ASKS, IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.
STARTING WITH THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, COMMENTS ON THE PUBLIC WORKS PROPOSAL?
YES. I SUPPORT THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET.
OKAY. VICE MAYOR?
I DO TOO, THE INITIAL PART OF THE SCREEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THAT. BECAUSE IT IS JUST THAT SCREEN BUT WHEN WE MOVED DOWN TO THE SPECIFIC ENTITIES WE DEFINITELY DIFFER.
OKAY. COMMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBER HINTON? GO AHEAD.
SURE. I SUPPORT MOST OF IT TONIGHT BUT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF REPLACING THE LANDSCAPING FOR $20,000 AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THAT IS THE THING THAT WOULD BE NICE TO DO BUT I CANNOT SUPPORT THAT. I ACTUALLY LIKE THE LITTLE REFLECTIVE POLES AND I COMMENTED ON THEM BUT I WILL NOT SUPPORT THAT AT THE TUNE OF $15,000. I JUST
DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET TO SUPPORT THOSE ALL
AROUND TOWN AND I'M NOT SURE THEY ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT SAFETY MEASURES IF WE HAD TO MAKE CHOICES.
COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS .
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP A TALLY OF
WHERE WE ARE AT IT I'M JUST WONDERING, ANNA, IF YOU COULD GIVE US
AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE NOT APPROVED HERE AND
WHERE WE ARE AT, AS FAR AS THAT NUMBER, I DON'T KNOW IF MY NUMBER IS --
IF YOU NEED A FEW MINUTES WE CAN CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION.
I'M ASKING BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT 64,000 REDUCTION IN
MAINTENANCE AND SERVICES AND SUCH TO THE COMMUNITY, I
PERSONALLY, IF WE HAVE EXTRA MONEY HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT
PUT BACK IN FOR THE ITEMS THAT ARE REDUCTIONS BECAUSE I THINK FOR
OUR COMMUNITY, WE ALREADY TALK ABOUT ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH
OUR WALKWAYS AND DIVES AND OUR ROADS AND I WROTE DOWN THAT
DANTE HAD SAID WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ASPHALT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CUT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AT THE POSITIVE.
SO, ANNA, WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF THE NET DEFICIT AT THIS POINT? KEEPING IN MIND FOR ALL OF US THAT WE ARE IN A DEFICIT.
IT IS STILL A DEFICIT BUT IT IS NOW IT 69758 SIX.
AND IT WAS ?
669 BEFORE AND NOW IT IS 697.
I'M SORRY WHAT WAS IT BEFORE?
BEFORE IT WAS IN THE BUDGET , IT WAS 670, ROUNDING.
LET'S NOT AROUND.
69.18 SIX AND RIGHT NOW IT IS 697, 586.
THE DIFFERENCES?
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IT WENT UP?
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YOU HAVE REDUCTION IN CITY MANAGEMENT, INCREASE IN STAFFING STUDY , YOU HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS GOING ON.
WE ADDED A 30,000, REMEMBER THE ADDITIONAL ASKS?
OKAY. THAT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME.
WE HAVE NOT GAINED ANY MONEY. OKAY.
I AM SORRY, THAT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME.
MY TALLY HAS THE ADDED 5400 WHICH IS ALL THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS HE HAD AND THE REDUCTION OF 27,000 , 4000, 20,000 AND 3000 FOR THE TRAINING.
YOUR NUMBERS ARE ALIGNED WITH WHAT ANA KWONG HAS SAID?
WE TOOK 50 K OUT FOR MONITORING SERVICE RIGHT THERE.
THAT WAS THE GENERAL FUND AND THE 22 WAS OUT OF THE SPECIAL HOUSING FUNDS.
I SEE. I AM GLAD I ASKED.
SO, COMMENTS ON THESE ITEMS, COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS?
LET'S SEE HERE. OH, DID YOU HAVE SOME THING?
I HAVE TO ADD, IF WE TOOK AWAY 35,000 AND I WOULD BE FOR PUTTING THAT BACK UP ABOVE INTO MAINTENANCE, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT . RIGHT NOW IN MY MIND REPLACING THE
LANDSCAPING IN THE REFLECTIVE POLES, I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT GO
BACK TO MAINTENANCE AND SERVICES, IF THAT IS SOMETHING IS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL. OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I AM
NONSUPPORTIVE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DARN CHAIN-LINK FENCE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT IS FROM THE 70s REPLACED. IN IVES PARK.
COMMENTS FROM DANTE?
SORRY THE LIGHT DOESN'T WORK GREAT I APOLOGIZE.
I KNOW.
I COULD MAKE A SUGGESTION , THE 20,000, THERE IS NO INTEREST IN
REPLACING THE LANDSCAPING AT THIS TIME, TURNING THE LAWN INTO A
DIFFERENT KIND OF LANDSCAPING, IF WE REDUCE THAT AND I DO BELIEVE
THAT I COULD DO A YEAR OR TWO IMPLEMENTATION OF REFLECTIVE SIGN POLES AND MAKE A NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE FOR 5000 AND WE CAN DO A BIG CHUNK OF THE CITY, THERE IS 35,000 RIGHT THERE. SO, ELIMINATE
REPLACING THE LANDSCAPE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND REDUCE THE 15,000 TO FIVE.
OKAY, THAT IS 30,000.
30 RIGHT THERE. SORRY.
30,000. AND I'M SORRY, COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS, DID YOU FINISH YOUR COMMENTS?
YES.
OKAY. I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF WHAT DANTE HAS PROPOSED. I
WOULD ASK ON THE LANDSCAPING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT WAS THE MOTIVATION?
MAY ADDRESS THAT?
YES.
WAS TO REMOVE THE GRASS TO PUT IN DROUGHT TOLERANT LANDSCAPING BECAUSE THE GRASS TAKES UP A LOT OF WATER AND THAT WAS THE IDEA.
HOW MUCH IS THE COST TO WATER THE LAWN ?
A LOT.
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BECAUSE OF THE COST MORE THAN $10,000 TO WATER THE LAWN THEN MAYBE IT IS A SHORT-TERM/LONG-TERM ISSUE. WHAT WOULD BE THE COST.
WHAT SAVINGS WOULD WE GET?
SAVINGS AGAIN THE VOLUME CHARGE WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT $1000 PER YEAR.
OKAY. THERE IS ALSO THE CLIMATE ACTION PIECE BUT I WOULD BE IN
SUPPORT OF ALL OF THE ITEMS UNDER THE BUDGET COMMITTEE REQUESTS I SUPPORT THE WOODLEY PARK FENCING, 20,000, I WOULD SHIFT THE 20,000 IN
LANDSCAPING, I AM SORRY, DANTE, DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR A REDUCED AMOUNT? I DON'T THINK SO, JUST LEAVE IT ALONE?
IS A PROJECT AS A WHOLE AND IT CANNOT BE , WELL I GUESS WE COULD DO
IT IN PIECES AND PARTS OF THE LAWN BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO DO IT THAT WAY.
IF I CAN ADD SOMETHING , THERE IS GOING TO BE NEW LEGISLATION THAT IS COMING OUT FROM THE STATE, PROBABLY EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1st OF 2027 IT SAYS THAT NON-FUNCTIONAL TURF, WHAT THEY CALL IT, WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED WITH A DROUGHT TOLERANT BUT THAT IS IN 2027.
OKAY. I AM IN SUPPORT OF LEAVING THE LIBBY FENCE UP, 20,000 AS IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED, SHIFTING TO THE 20,000 FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
LANDSCAPING, SORRY, POLICE CHIEF, UP TO INSTEAD THE MAINTENANCE
SERVICES AND SUPPLIES AND REDUCING THE REFLECTIVE SIGN POLES TO 5000 HAS BEEN PROPOSED WHICH WOULD MOVE THE BALANCE OF 10,000 UP
TO MAINTENANCE SERVICES SUPPLIES, THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL, IS EVERYBODY IN FAVOR OF THAT?
IS THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO THERE THAT ARE REDUCED, I AM JUST
WONDERING, DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO PUT IT ALL IN THAT ONE CATEGORY? I AM JUST CURIOUS.
SUPPLIES AND SERVICES IS THE MOST FLEXIBLE, TRY TO IDENTIFY CONTRACT SERVICES FOR SPECIFIC, ANNUAL, REOCCURRING MAINTENANCE.
SO, THIS GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY. BUT FOR ACCOUNTING PURPOSES SUPPLIES AND SERVICES MAKES NO SENSE.
OKAY, THAT WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER FROM 56,000 86,000.
IT WOULD DECREASE IT.
IT WOULD DECREASE THE REDUCTION. THANK YOU, SO MUCH.
YES, COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?
I AM WONDERING IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THE FENCING AT IVES PARK ? WAS THERE A CONFLICT WITH THE BIGGER PLAN AND WHY CAN'T WE GET THE FENCE REMOVED?
THERE IS AN IVES PARK MASTER PLAN THAT INCLUDES A LOT OF
WATERWAY, A DRAMATIC PLAN IS PUT TOGETHER YEARS AGO IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES IN THE FUTURE. THERE ARE A
LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT MOVING THE CREEK
AND OPENING ACCESS TO THE CREEK AND I BELIEVE THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE BIGGER PLAN. IN THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION IT
WILL NOT ALLOW FOR IT BECAUSE THEIR SHARP EDGES AND FALL AREAS THAT WILL REPRESENT A LIABILITY TO THE CITY. CAN WE DO FENCING? IT IS EXPENSIVE.
I'LL INTERJECT THAT THIS IS A COMP LOCATED ISSUE.
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I DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE BUT YOU DO A CIRCLE AROUND THE POND, JUST THE ONE CIRCLE FROM THE RESTROOM AREAS, I WOULD ESTIMATE IT AT $50- $60,000 TO REPLACE THAT.
WE NEED TO FIND A DONOR.
LET'S GO THROUGH TWO THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN. 218 REDUCTION, THUMBS UP. 72,000 REDUCTION WITH SHIFT OF THE LABOR TO FOCUS ON WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS, THUMBS UP. 66,000 IN REIMBURSEMENT FROM GRANDSON CITIES BUILDING RESERVE FUND FOR PROJECTS. THUMBS UP. 64,000 REDUCTION MAINTENANCE RELATED CONTRACTS, THUMBS UP. $56,000 REDUCTION, NOT 56 BUT $26,000 REDUCTION MAINTENANCE SERVICES AND SUPPLIES. $52,000 INCREASE IN CONTRACT SERVICES WITH SHIFT OF WEST COUNTY COMMUNITY SERVICES CONTRACT FOR PUBLIC WORKS. 20,000 ADDITION FOR LIBBY PARK FENCING MATERIALS. NEXT ON THE
LANDSCAPING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IS EVERYBODY THUMBS UP ON NO POLICE DEPARTMENT LANDSCAPE FUNDING? OKAY. THE ZERO
ADDITION FOR REPLACING LANDSCAPING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, EVERYBODY'S AN AGREEMENT? THEN THE ADDITION FOR REFLECTIVE SCIENCE, $5000 ADDITION, THUMBS UP? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE ARE AT THE SENIOR CENTER, COMMUNITY CULTURAL CENTER AND IVES POOL.
DANTE, WE HOPE YOU'LL STICK AROUND FOR THIS.
I AM HERE.
OKAY. THIS ITEM INCLUDES A REDUCTION IN THE SENIOR CENTER AMOUNT TO ZERO, RIGHT? THIS WAS YOUR OUTER OPERATIONS FOR THE SENIOR CENTER?
ZERO SUPPORT FOR THEIR OPERATIONS, RESOLVE ALLOCATIONS FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY, ALTHOUGH IT HAS BEEN REDUCED.
OKAY.
I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT BEING THE COUNSELEES ONTO THE SENIOR CENTER. WHILE THERE WERE SOME HITS AND MISSES ABOUT APPROACHING
THIS I THINK WE HAVE LEARNED OUR WAY TO APPROACH NONPROFITS,
ULTIMATELY THEIR BOARD SAID THEY WERE FINE WITH THIS BUT I JUST
WANT TO MAKE A SPECIAL NOTE THAT IT IS LIKE IF THEY ARE WILLING TO
TAKE A HIT THEN I AM EXPECTING ALL OTHER ENTITIES TO TAKE A HIT,
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE SENIOR CENTER IS A SELF-SUSTAINING, VERSUS
THE OTHERS THAT ARE COMING UP THAT ARE STILL NOT SELF-SUSTAINING, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THAT.
THANK YOU AND THANK YOU VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, YOU'RE MY DID MANY TO TURN TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE FOR COMMENTS ON THE SIDE.
I SUPPORT ALL OF THESE.
AND I DO NOT. THE COMMUNITY CULTURAL CENTER, GIVEN WHAT I JUST
SAID, IT IS NOW EQUITY BECAUSE I WILL STATE THIS PUBLICLY AND I'VE
STATED A NUMBER OF TIMES IN THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, THE FACT THAT
THERE IS A RUMOR FLOATING AROUND IN THE COMMUNITY THAT SOMEHOW
THIS NONPROFIT IS SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN MORE DEFERENCE BECAUSE IT
USED TO BE PART OF PARKS AND REC AND FOR YEARS WE HAVE GIVEN THEM UPWARDS OF $350,000 A YEAR TO MAKE IT SELF-SUSTAINING AND IT JUST
SEEMS TO BE GOING ON AND ON AND ON AND IT WAS NOT UNTIL RECENTLY,
WHERE IT WAS MORE OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ITEM THAT ALL OF A
SUDDEN NOW THEY HAVE INCREASED THEIR PROGRAM AND I'M DEFINITELY
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ORDER TO BECOME SUSTAINABLE WHEN ALL OF HER OTHER NONPROFITS ARE EXPECTED TO BE SELF-SUSTAINING, INCLUDING THE POOL, ET CETERA. I
KNOW THIS RUBS MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE THEY
BE THERE BEEN ATTACHED TO THAT PARTICULAR ENTITY IN ONE WAY, SHAPE OR ANOTHER BUT FOR ME, PARITY MEANS PARITY.
THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER HINTON OR McLEWIS? OKAY. SO, I GUESS I'VE BEEN AROUND A LITTLE LONGER AND I REMEMBER
WHEN THE SENIOR CENTER CAME TO US AND THEY WERE DESPERATE AND
THEY WERE IN NOT A GREAT FINANCIAL SITUATION AND WE GAVE THEM TIME TO GET BACK ON THEIR FEET. THEY GET A LOT OF ADDITIONAL
FUNDING BECAUSE OF MEALS ON WHEELS AND THEIR LEGACY STORE IN KITCHEN, THEY BUILT THOSE THINGS UP. IVES POOL HAS BEEN SELFSUSTAINING PRETTY MUCH FOR YEARS AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS.
AS POINTED OUT WE HAVE GIVEN COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH I HAVE
NEVER WORKED FOR OR BEEN AFFILIATED WITH REALLY EXCEPT TO USE
SERVICES, QUITE A BIT OF MONEY OVER THE HISTORY IF YOU LOOK AT THE YEAR-TO-YEAR AMOUNTS, WITH SUPPORT. IT DOES TAKE TIME TO MAKE A
BIG CHANGE AND WE SAW THIS WHEN WE VOTED TO NO LONGER HAVE
FIREWORKS THAT THE NONPROFITS MADE A LOT OF MONEY OFF OF IN THE
CITY AND WE EXTENDED SOME PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT WAS A HUGE PART OF THEIR BUDGET. SO, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT
BUT WITH THE OPTION TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEM PAST THE FIRST SIX
MONTHS AND LOOK AT IT FOR THE MIDYEAR BUDGET REVIEW AS WE ARE WITH OTHER OPTIONS. I AM NOT WILLING TO PULL THE LEGS OUT FROM
UNDER THE COMMUNITY CENTER WHEN WE HAVE SUPPORTED THEM FOR VARIOUS REASONS AND THEY SERVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THAT IS WHERE I FALL TONIGHT AND I FIND APPROVING IN SIX MONTHS
WITH AN OPTION TO LOOK AT AND HEAR FROM THE BOARD IF THEY NEED ANOTHER SIX MONTHS. IT IS A DIFFICULT POSITION TO BE IN FOR ALL OF US.
THAT IS WHERE I WEIGH IN TONIGHT.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS.
SO, HAVING SPENT FIVE YEARS OF MY LIFE SERVING ON THE COMMUNITY
CENTER BOARD, MOSTLY AS THE CHAIR, ALL DURING COVID, AS THE CHAIR,
I HAD MANY TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE WITH THE BOARD AND WE FOUGHT
LIKE HECK TO KEEP THE FUNDING AS TIGHT AS WE COULD SO THAT IT COULD SURVIVE. IT IS PERSONAL, I HAVE SPENT SO MANY HOURS,
HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOURS WITH THAT
ORGANIZATION AND I KNOW THE BOARD, THEIR FAMILY TO ME. I AGREE
WITH REDUCING THE FUNDING, I REMEMBER WHEN WE RECEIVED THE FUNDING AND THE CHANGE WAS MADE TO HELP SUPPORT OPERATIONALLY. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THEM DIRECTLY. THEY ARE COMMITTED TO BECOMING SELF-SUSTAINING, THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED. THEY UNDERSTAND
THE RAMIFICATIONS IF THEY DO NOT, THEY ARE FULLY AWARE OF THAT,
SOME OF THESE PEOPLE OWN A VERY LARGE BUSINESSES IN THIS
COMMUNITY AND THEY KNOW HOW TO RUN BUSINESSES, THEY JUST NEED
TIME AND I TOO REMEMBER A TIME NOT THAT LONG AGO THAT THE SENIOR
CENTER WAS IN DIRE STRAITS AND CAME TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO ASK THEM TO HELP RUN BECAUSE THEY WERE IN TROUBLE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CUT THEM OFF AT THE KNEES. IT DOES TAKE TIME AND I ALSO RUN A NONPROFIT, YOU KNOW? SO, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE REDUCTION BUT Agenda Item Number: 2
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KEEPING THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND RE-ASSESSING IN SIX MONTHS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE AT. I AM NOT SAYING I
WANT TO DO THIS IN PERPETUITY BUT I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD CUT OUR
COMMITTEE MEMBERS OFF AT THE KNEES BECAUSE THEY HAVE FALLEN ON HARD TIMES. COVID WAS VERY HARD, WHEN YOU ARE AN EVENT CENTER
AND YOU CANNOT BE OPEN FOR A YEAR BUT THEY HAVE SERVED A LOT OF
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, I HAVE TAUGHT CLASSES THERE AND MANY PEOPLE DO. I KNOW WE ARE SHORT ON TIME BUT I CANNOT SAY ENOUGH OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY IN MY OPINION. SO, I
SUPPORT WHAT WE HAVE HERE BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD REASSESS AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AT AT THE MIDYEAR. I HAVE A LOT OF
FAITH THEY WILL FIGURE THIS OUT BECAUSE I TALKED TO THEM WEEKLY
AND THEIR INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, SHE IS WORKING SUPER HARD AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT SHE'S MAKING.
THANK YOU. I WILL WEIGH IN ON THESE ITEMS. IT DISTRESSES ME TERRIBLY
TO CS REDUCING OUR SUPPORT FOR THESE AMAZING NONPROFITS,
ESPECIALLY AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE REDUCING THE PIECES THAT WILL
HELP MAKE THEIR SPACES ATTRACTED TO THE COMMUNITY THROUGH OUR REDUCTION AND LANDSCAPING AND MAINTENANCE SUPPORT. AND I KNOW
DANTE AND HIS TEAM WILL DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN BUT IT IS
DISTRESSING TO SEE THIS HAPPEN AND IT DISTRESSES ME TO SEE US
ELIMINATE THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THE SENIOR CENTER, EVEN
THOUGH THEY ARE DOING WELL AND I AGREE THAT HAVING HAD
DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM THAT THEY ARE IN A GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE IN A VERY GOOD PLACE. THE COMMUNITY CENTER, I SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL HERE. I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SIX MONTHS OF $58,300 AND I WOULD JOIN MY COLLEAGUES AND AT THE MID-YEAR TO BE
VERY OPEN TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IF THEY HAVE MADE SUBSTANTIAL
STRIDES BUT ARE NOT AT THE POINT WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO AT IT
ALONE AND I WOULD TRUST STAFF TO HELP US INFORM, TO INFORM US ABOUT THE STATUS AND THE PROGRESS THAT THEY HAVE MADE. SO, THAT IS MY PIECE ON THAT, IVES POOL, NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. WE ALL KNOW
THERE WILL BE EXPENSES THERE LATER ON BUT, I SUPPORT ALL OF THESE
ITEMS ON THIS LIST, UNLESS THERE'S ADDITIONAL INPUT BY STAFF OR OTHER COMMENTS, YES? DEFINITELY. I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THEM AS WE HAVE WITH OTHERS. SENIOR CENTER, $38,250 REDUCTION WITH
ELIMINATION OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT, SADLY, COMMUNITY CULTURAL CENTER, 76,600 REDUCTION IN SUPPORT FOR GENERAL OPERATION, REMAINING 58,300 TO PROVIDE EXTENSIVE SUPPORT DURING TRANSITION
WITH THE CAVEAT, I WOULD ADD, THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE THREE
HERE THAT AT THE MID-YEAR WE WILL SERIOUSLY CONSIDER CONTINUE FUNDING IF WE JUDGE THAT IT IS NEEDED. OKAY. I THINK THAT WAS FOUR THUMBS UP, YES, FOUR THUMBS UP. IVES POOL, NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, OKAY. DOES THAT PROVIDE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO THE STAFF? OKAY.
NOW WE ARE AT NON-DEPARTMENTAL. THERE ARE ONLY TWO ITEMS HERE.
ONE IS THE SHIFT OF COSTS OF THE CONTRACTS AND ONE IS INCREASING THE TECHNOLOGY FOR REPLACEMENT BUDGET.
GOOD WITH BOTH OF THESE.
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YES, THIS IS WHERE HE WENT AROUND AND AROUND WHETHER IT SHOULD BE WITHIN THE ACTUAL BUDGET OF EACH DEPARTMENT OR NONDEPARTMENTAL AND THIS IS WHAT HE DECIDED ON AND I AM DONE WITH IT.
ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBER HINTON OR McLEWIS?
I MEAN I HAVE TO TRUST THAT THE BUDGET COMMITTEE HAS VETTED THIS
AND IF THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE NEED TECHNOLOGY AND
INCREASED CYBERSECURITY, I KNOW THAT WE DO NEED TO KEEP UP ON
THOSE THINGS, I WILL BE IN FAVOR OF FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF TONIGHT AND THE BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE.
COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS?
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, DITTO.
OKAY. I WILL WEIGH IN, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THESE TWO ITEMS, I AM
TRUSTING THE BUDGET COMMITTEE TO HAVE MADE SURE THESE SHIFTS IN
COSTS MADE SENSE AND THE COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY ITEM, WE ARE SUPPORTING. $134,000 SHIFT OF COSTS FOR CONTRACTS TO DEPARTMENTS, GOT IT. THUMBS UP FROM YOU, COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS ON THAT ONE AND $160,000 525 INCREASE TO ADDRESS NEEDS FOR TECHNOLOGY
REPLACEMENT, THUMBS UP FROM EVERYONE AND TO INCREASED
CYBERSECURITY. OKAY. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH EACH OF THESE. I KNOW
THAT ONE ITEM THAT IS REMAINING IS A REQUEST FOR AN AD HOC, AN ADDITIONAL AD HOC AND IT WAS FOR WHAT PURPOSE? MARY GURLEY CAN YOU HELP ME?
THAT WAS FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER BUILDING ASSESSMENT.
OKAY. I THINK THAT IS ONE ITEM, LET ME GO TO THE BUDGET OVERALL.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE BUDGET PROCESS WITH OUR THUMBS UP
AND THUMBS DOWN, IS ANYBODY FEELING COMPARED TO RE-VISIT ANY ITEMS? I HESITATE TO ASK THAT QUESTION. OKAY, GOOD. GLAD TO HEAR IT.
IN TERMS OF OUR PROCESS, MARY GURLEY, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO A FORMAL VOTE ON THE BUDGET? AND THEN GO ON TO THE AD HOC QUESTIONS?
YES, THERE WILL BE THREE SEPARATE MOTIONS.
I AM LOOKING , SO, THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES HERE. HOW WOULD STAFF PROPOSE WE CAPTURE THESE CHANGES FOR PURPOSES OF MOTION? SHALL GO THROUGH ALL THE CHANGES?
OH, BOY. NO.
SO, YOU CAN JUST DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK THE FINAL BUDGET BASED UPON THE CHANGES DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
SO MOVED.
SECOND.
OKAY, ROLLCALL VOTE, PLEASE.
SO MOVED BY COUNCILMEMBER MAURER AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS, TO DIRECT STAFF TO CHANGE THE FY '24 '25
BUDGET AS DISCUSSED AT TONIGHT'S MEETING AND THIS ITEM WILL BE RETURNED AT THE AUGUST 12 SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON? . COUNSELOR NUMBER MAURER. VICE AD HOC ZOLLMAN, MAYOR RICH? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THE CREATION OF AN AD HOC TO EXPLORE SAFE , I THINK, EFFECTIVELY WE
HAVE LEFT THAT AS, DO NOT SEE SUPPORT TONIGHT FOR AN AD HOC AND I
THINK WE'RE LEAVING THAT ALONE, HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT
PROCEDURALLY? MARY GURLEY ? DO WE WITHDRAW IT? WHAT DO WE DO? Agenda Item Number: 2
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I AM NOT PLANNING ON WITHDRAWING IT.
YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION AND HAVE A SECOND AND VOTE ON IT OR IF THERE IS NO SECOND THE MOTION GOES.
I MOVED TO CREATE AN AD HOC TO WORK ON THE SAFE AND THE FUNDING ISSUES.
AND I WOULD MODIFY THAT BY SAYING WITH THE OBLIGATION OF THE AD
HOC OF BEING THE INITIAL OBLIGATION TO COME BACK TO THE CITY
COUNCIL WITH THE DEFINITION AND PROPOSAL OF SCOPE AND TIMING FOR THE AD HOC. AND I SECOND THE MOTION. I THINK NOW WE GO FOR A VOTE.
SO MOVED.
CAN I CLARIFY, YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU WILL BE ON THAT? YES. I WILL BE ON THAT AD HOC AND THE MOTION IS TO CREATE AN AD
HOC WITH COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN AND ME APPOINTED TO THE AD HOC
AND IS OBLIGATED TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH THE DESCRIPTION
OF THE SCOPE THAT I WILL LAY OUT FOR THE COUNCIL, THE ONE OPTION
WOULD BE TO BOTH US DOWN AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN AND I
COULD COME BACK AND MAKE A MORE FORMAL PROPOSAL , THAT IS ONE OPTION. JUST SAYING, IF YOU ARE NOT READY TO SUPPORT THE CREATION OF THE AD HOC, THAT IS AN OPEN QUESTION. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE SHOULD HESITATE.
MY CONCERN IS TIME, HOW MUCH TIME? WE HAVE TO BE OUT OF HERE IN 40
MINUTES AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, SHOULD PUBLIC COMMENTS BE TAKEN?
IS THAT TRUE, MARY GURLEY?
NO, WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE ENTIRE ITEM AND IS A PART OF THE ENTIRE ITEM.
WE ARE HAVING A MOTION, THE THREE OF YOU CAN VOTE NO AND COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN AND I CAN DO WHAT WE CHOOSE TO DO. THAT
IS THE MOTION WHICH HAS BEEN SECONDED AND A ROLLCALL VOTE, PLEASE, MARY GURLEY.
SO MOVED BY VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND SECONDED BY RICH TO CREATE
AN AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE SPECIALIZED ASSISTANCE PROGRAM OF
SAFE WITH COMING BACK FOR THE ADDITION OF THE SCOPE AND TIMING TO
A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND TO APPOINT VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND MAYOR RICH AS MEMBERS? COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
AT THIS TIME, NO.
COUNCIL NUMBER MAURER?
NOT AT THIS TIME.
COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS?
NOT AT THIS TIME.
VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN ?
YES. MAYOR RICH?
YES.
THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS WITH THREE COUNCIL MEMBER'S IN OPPOSITION, THE MOTION FAILS.
THANK YOU, WE WILL GO ON TO THE OTHER AD HOC , WHICH IS CREATION
OF AN AD HOC FOR, TO FOCUS ON THE SEBASTOPOL COMMUNITY CENTER MASTER PLAN. WHICH WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED IN OUR CIP. MY QUESTION TO STAFF IS, DOES THIS NEED TO HAPPEN TONIGHT? CAN WE BUMP THIS ITEM TO ANOTHER MEETING?
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YOU CAN CONTINUE INTO ANOTHER MEETING IT WAS JUST DIRECTION FROM THE CIP TO CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE.
OKAY. I'M SORRY. I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT THIS ITEM BE LEFT FOR ANOTHER AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY OPPOSED TO THAT?
I AGREE.
OKAY. WHAT FORMAL ACTION DO YOU NEED US TO TAKE, MARY GURLEY? IS THERE CONSENSUS?
YES.
NO FORMAL ACTION, WE WILL CONTINUE THIS IN A FUTURE MEETING.
THANK YOU.
I AM SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THIS BUT THERE IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GOALS.
THE GOALSETTING. ON THE GOALSETTING ITEM, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN BRING BACK FOR A LATER DECISION?
YES. IF THERE IS COUNCIL CONSENSUS TO RETURN US TO THE FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THE OTHER OPTION THAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE CONSIDER MAKING A
DECISION TO HAVE A MINI-GOALSETTING AND DIRECTING MARY GURLEY TO
COMMUNICATE WITH COUNCILMEMBERS FOR PURPOSES OF SETTING A DATE, IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO DOING THAT?
IT SEEMS THAT WE ALREADY AGREED BECAUSE HE PUT IN THE BUDGET THAT WE WOULD HAVE A MINI-GOALSETTING SESSION.
NO, THE 10,000 FOR THE GOALSETTING IS FOR LATER ON, IS THAT CORRECT? THE 10,000 IN THE BUDGET IS FOR GOALSETTING THAT WOULD BE MORE FORMAL, LATER ON?
YES. WE WERE GOING TO DO MANY HEAVEN GOALSETTING BETWEEN NOW
AND SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER BUT WE PUT FUNDING INTO THE BUDGET TO A FACILITATOR FOR THE JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MAJOR GOAL SESSION.
THIS IS A MEETING THAT IS NOT FACILITATED WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR PRIMARY GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. AFTER HAVING SET THE BUDGET. I THINK WHAT I WILL DO WITH THIS ONE IS TRY TO SEE IF WE HAVE A THUMBS-UP, GENERAL CONSENSUS ABOUT HAVING A MINIGOALSETTING IN THE NEAR FUTURE, IN ORDER TO SET BASIC GOALS AND
OBJECTIVES AND THAT WE THEN DIRECT MARY GURLEY TO COORDINATE WITH US TO SET A DATE, IS THERE GENERAL CONSENSUS FOR THAT? OKAY.
FOR, 4-1, THAT PASSES. YOU NEED A FORMAL MOTION ON THAT, MARY GURLEY?
I WOULD PREFER A FORMAL MOTION TO HAVE A GOALSETTING AND TO HAVE STAFF DO A DATE.
OKAY. I WILL MOVE THAT WE DIRECT THAT A MINI-GOALSETTING, WITH NO
ADDITIONAL COST FOR A FACILITATOR OR OTHER EXPENSES BE SET IN THE
NEAR FUTURE AND THAT MARY GURLEY COORDINATE WITH EACH OF US IN
ORDER TO SET AN APPROPRIATE DATE, IDENTIFYING THAT THIS IS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THE GOALSETTING THAT HAS BEEN FUNDED BY THE $10,000 ITEM IN THE BUDGET.
I'LL SECOND THAT.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER MAURER.
SO MOVED TO HAVE STAFF SEND OUT MEETING DATES FOR A SPECIAL GOALSETTING, WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, HOW'S THAT? COUNCILMEMBER MAURER ?
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YES.
COUNCIL NUMBER McLEWIS?
YES.
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
NO.
ZOLLMAN?
YES.
THIS PASSES 4-1 WITH COUNCIL OF HER HINTON IN OPPOSITION.
OKAY, THANK YOU, THANK YOU AND WE ARE DONE WITH THE BUDGET
ITEM, HESITATE TO DO THIS BUT IS ANYBODY NEED A REALLY QUICK LIKE BIO BREAK? OKAY, THAT IS LIKE TWO MINUTES, I AM NOT LEAVING MY TABLE. I WILL SEE EVERYBODY IN TWO MINUTES.
ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, WE ARE BACK FROM A BRIEF BREAK AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. I REALLY
APPRECIATE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC AND COUNCILMEMBERS FOR HANGING IN HERE AS WE MOVE TO THE SECOND, VERY IMPORTANT ITEM. THIS IS ITEM
NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR REGULAR CALENDAR AGENDA, DISCUSSION AND
CONSIDERATION OF PLACEMENT OF VALID MEASURE ONTO THE NOVEMBER 2024 ELECTION, PULLING RESULTS ARE INCLUDED THERE AND THE
RESPONSIBLE DEPARTMENT IS THE CITY MANAGER CONSULTANT OUTSIDE
LEGAL COUNCIL, I AM TURNING TO OUR CITY MANAGER TO START DISCUSSION OF THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU. I GOT A PRESENTATION WHICH I WILL GO THROUGH RAPIDLY, UNLESS SOMEBODY ASKS ME TO SLOW DOWN. I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.
I THINK WE WILL SUPPORT YOUR RAPID RUN THROUGH.
HERE WE GO. YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE TALKING ABOUT A STRATEGIC
APPROACH WITH MULTIPLE WAYS OF ADDRESSING OUR FISCAL
CHALLENGES. SALES TAX INCREASE BEING ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
BECAUSE THE SUSTAINABLE, LONG-TERM FUNDING SOURCE AND YOU HAVE
WILL BE SEEN THIS BEFORE, THIS IS THE NO-CHANGE WHAT WE ARE DOING
AND ARE SALES TAX, NO MAJOR CUTS AND WE RUN OUT OF MONEY IN LESS THAN THREE YEARS AND THIS IS A SERIOUS FINANCIAL PROBLEM. QUARTER SENT OF SALES TAX GENERATES ABOUT $706,000 A YEAR AND WITH THIS WE WOULD HAVE $800,000 IN FUTURE SERVICE CUTS OR FORGO FUNDING FOR PRESERVING OUR ASSETS, WHICH ESTIMATE AT ABOUT 900,000 A YEAR IS NEEDED OR SOME KIND OF MIX OF THE TWO. AND HALF A CENT SALES TAX GENERATES ABOUT 1.5 MILLION PER YEAR AND THAT ALLOWS US TO
PRESERVE OUR SERVICES AND OUR ASSETS, ALTHOUGH WE WOULD BE
COMPETING WITH OUR KIDS OUR FUTURE TAX, POTENTIALLY ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT. IN TERMS OF THE SURVEY RESULTS, I THINK YOU HAVE
ALL SEEN THESE, PEOPLE GENERALLY LIKE THE JOB WE ARE DOING, THERE IS
SUPPORT FOR SALES TAX OVER THE QUARTER AND HALF SENT MEASURES, BOTH NUMBERS AND A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT, LESS THAN 2%.
CITY MANAGER, I AM SORRY, BUT THESE POLL RESULTS?
THE POLL RESULTS.
THANK YOU. EXAMPLES OF POSSIBLE USES ARE NOTED HERE TO THINK YOU'VE SEEN THE MATERIALS, I WOULD JUST RUN THROUGH THEM.
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AGE GOING TO AFFECT THIS FALL. WE ARE NOT TERRIBLY OUT OF WHACK
ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND THEN MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT A
RESOLUTION REPLACING THE SALES TAX MEASURE ON THE BALLOT
DETERMINE IF IT IS A QUARTER OR HALF CENT AND THEN APPOINT TO
COUNCILMEMBERS WITH ARGUMENTS IN FAVOR OF A MEASURE AND REBUTTAL ANY ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE MEASURE. THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.
GREAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS? ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT?
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, GO AHEAD.
IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE STAFF REPORT WE HAVE PROPOSED LANGUAGE AND
ONE OF THE THINGS IT TALKS ABOUT IS OUR LIBRARY, ONE EXAMPLE, THAT
DID NOT PULL WELL AND I'M WONDERING, SHOULD THIS MEASURE BE ADJUSTED BASED ON THEM STRENGTH OF THE POLLING? DO YOU THINK? TO GIVE US THE BEST ODDS OF PASSING. I HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH IT WORD
BY WORD BUT I DID GLANCE AT WHAT PULLED HEINLEIN DID NOT PULL HIS
HIGH AND THEN IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT FIRE BUT WE KNOW THAT FIRE WILL
PROBABLY BE FUNDED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, I AM CURIOUS, WAS THIS THE SUGGESTED POLL QUESTION OR ARE WE STILL WORKING ON IT?
AND THAT IS PAGE THREE OF 88 THE STAFF REPORT.
I'M LOOKING AT THREE OF 88.
QUESTION FOR STAFF OR CONSULTANT IF THEY ARE AVAILABLE, DOES THIS PHRASING REFLECT THE RESULTS OF THE POLL?
IF I CAN I'M GOING TO STOP SHARING , ADAM IS STILL HERE WITH US, HE HAS
BEEN WITH US ALL EVENING, I'M GOING TO LET HIM RESPOND TO THAT IF I MAY.
GREAT, MAY YOU SHARE AN ANSWER WITH US, PLEASE?
SURE, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY PERSPECTIVE IS THIS, THAT THERE ARE
DIFFERENT REASONS TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE IN THE BALLOT QUESTION, THE
LABEL ITSELF, WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY FILL OUT THEIR BALLOT AT THEIR KITCHEN TABLE. SOMETIMES LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY
GEARED TOWARDS THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SHOULD BE INCLUDED AND FOR GREATEST EFFECT. SOMETIMES THE THINGS THAT
THEY ARE REALLY HAPPY WITH IS, HAS UTILITY BECAUSE IT SHOWS YOU'RE REINFORCING SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE ALREADY DOING WELL. THERE
ARE SOME OTHER CONSULTANTS INVOLVED THAT ARE VERY INVOLVED IN
THE OUTREACH COMPONENT OF THIS PROCESS AND I WOULD DEFER TO
THEM ON THE FINAL LANGUAGE OR THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS DEVELOPED
BUT OUR RESEARCH INFORMED THAT AND FOR INSTANCE, THE LIBRARY
COMPONENT WOULD BE PART OF THAT SCENARIO WHERE PEOPLE ARE
MAYBE NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT IT BUT ARE QUITE HAPPY WITH HOW YOU MANAGE IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS ? IF NOT WE CAN -- GO AHEAD COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.
I DO SEE IS A PART OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT AN AD HOC WOULD BE CREATED ., IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR THE BALLOT QUESTION I SAW THAT BUT MAYBE WE CAN GET THAT CLARIFIED. IT LOOKS LIKE COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS HAS A QUESTION AS WELL.
I THINK THE QUESTION, GO AHEAD COUNCIL NUMBER McLEWIS, PROBABLY RELEVANT. GO AHEAD.
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I HAVE A QUESTION I DON'T KNOW WHEN IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO BRING IT UP SO I'M JUST GOING TO ASK IT NOW OF MY COLLEAGUES.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I HAVE VOTED NO ON TAX MEASURES IN THE
PAST AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THIS TO FIGURE OUT
HOW TO GET TO YES AND, ALL DIFFERENT WAYS, FINALLY HAD A
CONVERSATION WITH OUR ATTORNEY BECAUSE THE CONCERN I HAVE IS
THAT WITH THE COMMUNITY, THEY HAVE GIVEN US OUR PRIORITIES,
GOTTEN A LOT OF MIXED INFORMATION BACK AND THIS IS MY QUESTION,
WOULD THE COUNCIL BE WILLING TO PUT TOGETHER AND COME BACK IN
EARNEST, NOT THE NEXT MEETING BUT THE MEETING AFTER THAT OR EVEN
BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER AND DO A COUNCIL POLICY THAT IS BASICALLY
A RESOLUTION ADOPTING A COUNCIL POLICY ON PRIORITIES OF
EXPENDITURES FROM THE SALES TAX AND I TALKED TO OUR ATTORNEYS
ABOUT THAT AND THEY SAID THIS WAS DONE IN A VARIETY OF PLACES AND
IT WAS SIMPLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT NOT
GETTING PEOPLE ON BOARD BUT IF THEY PUT TOGETHER A POLICY AND
ACTUALLY PUT THEIR INTENTIONS FORTH AND I KNOW WE ALREADY
TALKED ABOUT GOALSETTING BUT THIS IS SEPARATE AND JUST RELATED TO THAT. AND SOME EXAMPLES THAT HAVE GONE ON IS THEY HAVE PUT IN A
PERCENTAGE FOR ROADS, PERCENTAGE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, PERCENTAGE FOR PARKS AND PUT CAVEATS IN THERE THAT IF YOU DON'T SPEND 20%
PARKS AND WE WILL SPEND IT ON THAT AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF HER COUNCIL WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT ? I AM TRYING TO GET TO A YES
HERE, I TRULY AM BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE SPEND
MONEY IN THE HISTORY IN MY OPINION OF HOW YOU HAVE SPENT MONEY IS
NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN ON BEHALF OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS THAT WE TRULY SHOULD BE DOING FOR THE CITY. WE CANNOT
PUT IT IN THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT BECOMES A SPECIAL TAX AND IT IS
HARD TO PASS, SO IN TALKING WITH THE ATTORNEYS THIS IS WHAT THEY
SAID IS A COMPROMISE AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF MY COLLEAGUES ARE
IN EARNEST WILLING TO COME BACK AND VOTE ON A COUNCIL POLICY TO
SHOW OUR COMMUNITY , YOU KNOW, THAT WE ARE PRIORITIZING WHAT THEY TOLD US THEIR PRIORITIES ARE. THAT IS MY QUESTION.
INTERESTING QUESTION, RELEVANT , IS THIS SOMETHING, SHOULD THIS BE IN COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS? I THINK THE QUESTION THAT
COULD BE, THE QUESTION THAT COULD BE PRESENTED TO STAFF IS THAT
AND I THINK YOU ANSWERED IT, BUT TO CONFIRM FROM STAFF, IF WE
PURSUE THIS AS A GENERAL TAX AS PRESENTED HERE AND APPROVE IT TONIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS SAID SHE CONSULTED COUNCIL AND
HAS BEEN TOLD IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR THE COUNCIL TO THEN
HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ALLOCATION OF THOSE FUNDS, IS THERE ANY
INFORMATION THAT STAFF WOULD HAVE THAT WOULD COUNTER THAT, TO THAT STATEMENT?
I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION COUNTER TO THAT ONLY THAT I WOULD BE
CAUTIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE PUT INTO THE POLICY, THAT IT DOES NOT TRIGGER ANYTHING TO MAKE IT A SPECIAL ELECTION. ALEX IS ON THE CALL AND I THINK THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL, ALEX.
THANKS, MARY, THAT KIND OF POLICY IS ALLOWED, IT WILL NOT MAKE IT A SPECIAL TAX AND IT IS JUST A COUNCIL POLICY, NOT PART OF THE MEASURE.
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THAT POLICY BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL COULD ESTABLISH WITHOUT MAKING IT A SPECIAL TAX.
GREAT, THAT WOULD BE LEGAL AND IT WOULD PUT OUR TAX IN JEOPARDY AND IT COULD BE A STATEMENT OF INTENTION. SO, THE QUESTION HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY OUR COLLEAGUE AND IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US. WE DO
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO RESPOND
TO THE QUESTION FROM OUR COLLEAGUE, ANY CONCERN FROM STAFF IN DOING THAT?
THERE IS NO CONCERN ABOUT RESPONDING TO THE QUESTION , IT IS JUST
DO NOT MAKE A DECISION UNTIL AFTER --
YES. BUT COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?
I SUPPORT THAT IDEA. I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION, CAN WE ADD A SUNSET DATE?
COULD A SUNSET DATE BE, A QUESTION FOR ALEX, I BELIEVE, COULD A SUNSET DATE BE ADDED TO THIS TAX MEASURE?
YES, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS, IT IS PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO
ON THE FLY TONIGHT BUT THAT IS SOMETHING TO COME BACK WITH THAT ADDED INTO THE ORDINANCE AND TO THE BALLOT QUESTION. THE MEASURE
ALSO GIVES THE COUNCIL THE POWER TO END THE TAX AT ANY POINT IN
THE FUTURE AS WELL, THE COUNCIL ALWAYS RETAINS THAT AUTHORITY TO END IT.
YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE ABOUT THE WAY IT IS PHRASED NOW VERSUS ADDING A SUNSET DATE?
WE ARE PRETTY CLOSE, RIGHT AROUND 71 WORDS AND YOU CAN ONLY PUT 75 IN THE BALLOT QUESTION, WE MAY HAVE TO ADJUST A LITTLE BIT TO PUT IN THAT. IF YOU SAY FOR 10 YEARS OR SOMETHING, THAT IS 10 YEARS AND WE COULD MAKE IT WORK, IT IS JUST HARD TO COUNT ON THE FLY.
I UNDERSTAND . WHAT IS YOUR ADVICE? WHAT WOULD BE GAINED BY PUTTING IN A SUNSET CLAUSE?
I WOULD DEFER TO THE POLL CONSULTANT WHO MAYBE KNOWS HOW THOSE CHANGES HELP OR HURT OR DO NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
I CAN SHARE SOME PERSPECTIVE THERE. WE OFTEN ASK THAT QUESTION IN AN A.B. TEST, WHERE WE ASK HALF THE VOTERS, WE PUT SOME SUNSET
INTERVAL ON, WE DON'T TEND TO SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US TWO
AND IN THIS CASE WE DID NOT ASK THAT BUT YOU HAVE CLEAR SUPPORT FROM THE VOTERS COMPONENT.
THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS? I WILL WEIGH IN AND ANSWER TO COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS ' QUESTION, I'M OPEN
TO A DISCUSSION BY THIS COUNCIL ABOUT THE ALLOCATION OF THE FUNDS
IN A STATEMENT OF INTENTION AS TO THE ALLOCATION OF THE FUNDS RECEIVED FROM THE SALES TAX. I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT AT ALL, TO
HAVING THAT DISCUSSION AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT, ESPECIALLY IF IT WOULD HELP BRING COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS .
CREATING A POLICY AND NOT JUST DISCUSSION.
I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS ABOUT DOING THAT. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC. THAT WOULD BE MY ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
I'M INTRIGUED BY THE SUNSET DATE.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE TIME TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC. NO. OKAY. LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC, MARY GURLEY, IF WE COULD ALMOST HAVE A.
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THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED SALES TAX MEASURE, IF YOU LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT I WILL GO TO IN CHAMBERS FIRST.
AARON?
GOOD EVENING, WILL MAKE IT QUICK. AS MOST OF YOU KNOW I AM THE
UNION REP FOR SEIU AND WE REPRESENT THE PUBLIC WORKS STAFF AND
WHAT IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL REVENUE, COST
SERVICES THAT ARE PUBLIC DEPENDS ON WOULD BE THREATENED AND THE
CITY ALSO RISKS LOSING INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE DUE TO THE CITY'S INABILITY TO RETAIN AND RECRUIT QUALIFIED STAFF. AND AS A GENERAL
RULE, THIS ONLY PROLONGS ECONOMIC RECOVERY, SEIU URGES THE
COUNCIL TO PLEASE ALLOW THE CITY RESIDENTS TO DECIDE ON A HALF OF THE TWO SALES TAX, THANK YOU.
YOU, AARON. NEXT I WILL GO TO ZOOM. ROBERT, CAN YOU MEET YOURSELF?
YES.
I WILL LET YOU KNOW YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT, GO AHEAD.
OKAY, REALLY QUICK. I SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE
DISINGENUOUS NATURE ABOUT THE WORDING IT IS SUGGESTING WE WILL SPEND MONEY ON POLICE AND THEN ON FIRE. WHEN IN FACT WE ARE
PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO SPEND ANYMORE MONEY ON POLICE AND FIRE IS GOING TO GO BY THE WAYSIDE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. I THINK THAT COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS'S SUGGESTION OF A POLICY HOWEVER IS AN
EXCELLENT WAY TO MANEUVER AROUND THE SPECIAL TAX ISSUES AND I FULLY SUPPORT THAT. I THINK YOU SHOULD ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT MAYBE
TAKING OUT FIRE AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT YOU ARE
REALLY NEVER GOING TO SPEND ANY MONEY ON AND IT SHOULD NOT BE IN THERE, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. SEEING NONE I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. LINDA, CAN YOU AND MEET YOURSELF, PLEASE? LINDA, GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
I WANT TO SAY HI TO RICHARD, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING UP BUT
ANYWAY, I ALWAYS FIND IT INTRIGUING THAT YOU KNOW YOU PUT THE
BURDEN OF THE DYSFUNCTION OF THE PREVIOUS, RELATIVELY RECENT CITY
COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALL OF THEIR FAILURES, YOU KNOW, ON US, THE TAXPAYERS HERE IN THIS TOWN, YOU KNOW? I HATE TO GO BACK A LITTLE
BIT BUT TO LOOK AT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING US INTO DEBT IN
THE SITUATION AND IT IS MAYOR HERE ALONG WITH SLATER AND NEYSA
WHO PREVIOUSLY WENT AHEAD AND SIGNED A FIVE POINT MILLION-DOLLAR
LOAN, NOT KNOWING THAT IT WAS ALONE AT ALL AND THEY WERE
HURTING FOR TIME AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND DANTE HAD PRESENTED
THIS, ALONG WITH THE WIRELESS WATER METERS AND THAT WAS IT NO COST, NO COST.
LINDA, YOU GOT 30 SECONDS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT IT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE MAYOR OR SELF WAS
RESPONSIBLE, SHE IS THE LIAISON FOR THIS RV VILLAGE THAT HAS TURNED
OUT TO BE A COMPLETE DISASTER AND SHE IS LEADING US INTO MORE
DISASTER WITH THE CRIMINALS AND THE FELONS, AND THE CRIMINAL
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COMMUNITY AND THAT IS JUST DEVASTATING FINANCIALLY AND IT HAS CHANGED THE ENTIRE CHARACTER OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
LINDA, THAT IS TWO MINUTES.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, NEXT I WILL COME BACK TO
CHAMBERS, SEEING NONE EVER GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM, KYLE, YOU CAN MEET YOURSELF, PLEASE.
WOW. HERE WE ARE.] A SALES TAX. JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH
TIME WE HAVE SPENT ON AGGRESSIVE SALES TAX MEASURE, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THIS IS NOT JUST SOME, NEW, LET'S GO
AHEAD AND FIND A REVENUE SOURCE AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND ASK THE PUBLIC TO INCREASE SALES TAX TO DO THIS. WE SPENT PROBABLY, NEAR $100,000 IN TOTAL AND JUST CONSULTING FEES ALONE AND IMAGINE THE
AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME THAT HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF
TRYING TO DEVELOP A SALES TAX MEASURE AND HOW WE CAN PITCH THIS THING TO THE PUBLIC. RIGHT? HERE WE ARE, RIGHT BACK AT A SPOT WHERE
WE SEE SALES TAX MEASURE THAT IS LEANING HEAVILY INTO POLICE, FIRE, SAFETY, RIGHT? USING THIS CERTAIN LANGUAGE TO PITCH A SALES TAX TO
THE PUBLIC WHEN WE ALL WELL KNOW THIS IS JUST GOING TO THE
GENERAL FUND AND ARE GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS INTO GOING TO SPEND HOURS AND HOURS DEBATING ON $4000 FOR SOME PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOR CITY COUNCIL OR YOU GOING TO DEBATE $40,000 FOR CITY MANAGER BUDGET SIX MONTHS DOWN THE LINE. SO, BY ALL MEANS,
GET YOUR REVENUE THAT YOU NEED BUT CONSIDER, IN THE FUTURE, JUST
BE HONEST ABOUT THE APPROACH THAT YOU TAKE IN ASKING THE PUBLIC FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN SOMETHING LIKE A SALES TAX. IT IS FOR THE
GENERAL FUND, COLLEGE FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE FOR SUMMING SPECIFIC, DO NOT GO FOR A GENERAL FUND TAX MEASURE.
KYLE, YOU HAVE ABOUT 20 SECONDS.
GO AHEAD AND ACTUALLY PITCH IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BUDGETARY ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR. BECAUSE WE ALL WELL KNOW
THIS IS GOING TO A GENERAL FUND, A GIANT SLUSH FUND AND ARE GOING TO FIGHT AND THROW-IN THINGS AT THE 11th HOUR TRYING TO GET STAFF HIRES IN THE 11th HOUR WITHOUT ACTUAL PUBLIC INPUT ON THE PROCESS.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, KYLE FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. SEEING NONE, OLIVER, CAN YOU MEET YOURSELF, PLEASE? I AM IN YOU DID.
GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
QUICKLY, IT IS LATE. I DID ACTUALLY SAY AT THE LIVE TOWN HALL, IF IT IS A QUARTER CENT SALES TAX WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT $700,000 AND
THERE IS A HUGE SHOPPING LIST ON THAT SLIDE WAS MAILED OUT TO EVERYBODY OTHER THINGS IN THEORY THE MONEY COULD BE SPENT ON. I
WOULD AGREE TO SOME EXTENT WITH KYLE BUT IN A MORE POSITIVE WAY,
WE REALLY NEED TO SHOW THE COUNCIL TO SHOW VERY CLEAR
INTENTIONS OF THEIR PRIORITIES, SELL DISCRETE, SPECIFIC TOPICS TO HAVE
A CHANCE PEOPLE VOTING ON THE SALES TAX BECAUSE AS I HAVE SAID
PREVIOUSLY THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY PAST INSTANCES WHERE MONEY
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INTO THE GENERAL FUND. SO, THE MARKETING OF THIS HAS TO BE VERY CLOSELY TIED TO A VERY CLEAR PRIORITY. THANK YOU.
FIGURE, OLIVER FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I BECOME ONE LAST TIME TO CHAMBERS. SEEING NONE , MARY, CAN YOU MEET YOURSELF, THERE YOU GO.
I DID. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT DOES UNTIL ENDED BY VOTERS MEAN? HOW DO VOTERS END THE TAX? OR IS THIS LIKE OUR HOSPITAL TAX, WE JUST KEEP PAYING AND PAYING AND PAYING. THANKS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. AGAIN I WILL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS, SEEING NONE I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM, IF THERE IS
ANYBODY THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE SALES
TAX MEASURE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY, DOROTHY, CAN YOU MEET YOURSELF, PLEASE?
OKAY, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
I CAN HEAR YOU AND I WILL JUMP IN AND YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT.
OKAY, WE NEED MONEY TO PAY INFRASTRUCTURE, MAINTENANCE, REPAIR THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE FOR WHAT? FIVE, SIX YEARS. IF YOU TIE THE TAX
TO THE SEWER AND THE WATER, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW OR JUST LET THEM
ALL FAIL AND THEN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHY THEY SHOULD'VE SIGNED
AND BROUGHT ON TO THE TAX BUT TIE IT TO THOSE TWO THINGS, THOSE THE TWO BIG THINGS WE HAVE NOT BEEN FIXING OVER THE YEARS. WATER AND SEWER, PLEASE, THANKS A LOT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. AGAIN, I WILL GO OUT AND
CALL, ONE LAST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE SALES TAX MEASURE,
IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY, SENIOR NONE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARY GURLEY. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND
EVERYONE THAT FIRE SERVICES, THERE WILL BE MONEY THAT IS
OBLIGATED FROM HER GENERAL FUND INTO THE FUTURE AS NEGOTIATED
WITH GOLD RIDGE, SO, IT IS NOT AS IF NO MONEY WILL GO FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO FIRE SERVICES WITH CONSOLIDATION. SO, THAT IS AN INTEREST WE NEED TO SUPPORT. WE ARE FULLY AWARE, THIS COUNCIL WAS
FULLY AWARE OF ALL THE IMPRECATIONS OF THE WIRELESS WATER METERS
WHEN A DECISION WAS MADE REGARDING THE SUPPORT OF THAT FUNDING EFFORT. I HAVE TO COMMENT THAT EACH EXPENSE IS WORTH PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO, $4000 MAY NOT BE MEANINGFUL TO OUR SPEAKER FROM THE
PUBLIC BUT IT IS VERY MEANINGFUL TO TAXPAYERS WHO TOOK THE MONEY
OUT OF THEIR POCKETS, SO, WE PAY ATTENTION TO ALL OF THOSE AMOUNTS. WE ARE HONEST AND TRANSPARENT ABOUT OUR EXPENDITURES AND OUR INTENTIONS AND I POINTED TO COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS '
SUGGESTION A FEW MOMENT AGO AND WE DO NOT TREAT THE GENERAL FUND AS A SLUSH FUND, EVER. EDUCATION TO THE PUBLIC IS VERY
IMPORTANT ON THE SALES TAX MEASURE AND I CERTAINLY WOULD AGREE
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS A SALES TAX MEASURE,
I AM SURE I CAN SPEAK FOR THEM AND SAYING THAT INFORMATION EDUCATION WILL BE ESSENTIAL. I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN ANSWER TO THAT VARIANCE IN QUESTION, WHAT DOES UNTIL ENDED BY THE VOTERS MEAN? HOW WOULD THE VOTERS END THIS TAX MEASURE? THIS IS A QUESTION FOR ALEX, IF HE IS STILL ON?
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I AM HERE, YES, MAYOR. THE VOTERS CAN END IT THROUGH THE INITIATIVE PROCESS. YOU KNOW, GATHERING SIGNATURES AND PUTTING A MEASURE
ON THE BALLOT TO END IT OR OF COURSE ALSO THE COUNCIL COULD END IT AT ANY TIME. THOSE TWO METHODS.
GREAT. THANK YOU, VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. WE ARE NOW BACK AT THE COUNCIL TABLE. I AM LOOKING AT STAFF, ANYTHING TO OFFER FOR US BEFORE WE START DISCUSSION?
JUST A REMINDER THAT THERE WAS A REVISED RESOLUTION AND I WANT
TO MAKE SURE WE ARE WORKING OFF THE SAME PAGE, IT WAS POSTED AND WAS SENT OUT LAST WEEK.
OKAY. I THINK THAT IS THE RESOLUTION VERSION WE HAD REDLINED, IT SHOWED THE CHANGES. CORRECT? OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE THAT ALL
COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE AWARE OF THAT IF THEY HAD THE REDLINE
VERSION IN FRONT OF THEM, THAT IS THE UP DATED RESOLUTION, IS THAT CORRECT? OR AM I MISSTATING?
I CAN SHOW IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE, TO MAKE SURE.
I WOULD SHARE THE SCREEN.
OR PERHAPS, MARY GURLEY, YOU COULD JUST EMAIL IT TO ALL OF US, RIGHT NOW. BUT YES, IF YOU COULD SHARE IT.
I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE EASIER TO SHARE THE SCREEN.
SURE. IT IS LENGTHY, I'M HOPING WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH IT.
JUST PUTTING THE ONLY CHANGE HERE ON THE MEASURE ITSELF,
CHANGING FIRE PROTECTION TO WILDFIRES RESPONSE AND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND ONE MINOR CHANGE AT THE END TO TAKE OUT AND.
WAIT A SECOND, FOR SOME REASON I PRINTED THE OLD ONE.
IT APPEARS IN THE THIRD LINE THE WORD FIRE PROTECTION HAS BEEN REPLACED BY THE WORD WILD -- WILDFIRES. AND AT THE END DISCLOSURE,, ALL FUNDS USE LOCALLY, BE ADOPTED. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT IS VERY HELPFUL, I THINK.
SO, I PUBLICLY STATED I WOULD SUPPORT A QUARTER CENT SALES TAX
MEASURE AND WE HAD THE SURVEY AND THE TOWN HALLS AND PEOPLE
APPROACHED ME ASKING FOR ME TO SUPPORT HALF SENT TAX, AND I
THOUGHT ABOUT OUR ENTIRE FINANCIAL PICTURE AND THE ONE PIECE FOR
ME THAT IS NOT ADDRESSED IN ANY OF OUR FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS OR ANYTHING IS THE NEED FOR ROADS. TO HAVE THE ROADS TAKEN CARE OF. I
WAS THINKING THAT IF I CAN SUPPORT A QUARTER CENT, IF I SUPPORTED THE OTHER QUARTER CENT FOR ROADS, THAT WOULD WORK FOR ME. I
WOULD SUPPORT A HALF CENT BUT I ALSO WANT THE ASSURANCE THAT AT
LEAST THREE OF US ON COUNCIL HERE , YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THE IDEA OF PUTTING MONEY TOWARD REPAIRING THE ROADS. I AM NOT SAYING USE ALL OF IT FOR ROADS BUT YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY A BIG CHUNK OF IT, 50% OF IT. I ALSO WOULD SUPPORT STAFFING FOR ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS BUT I
THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL, POLICE AND FIRE
TO SUPPORT FULL STAFFING AND THEN MAINTENANCE OF STREETS AND ROADS AND PARKS. PARKS ARE ALSO IMPORTANT TO ME. I WOULD SUPPORT
JILL'S IDEA AND HAVE THE RESOLUTION AND I WOULD ALSO, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE IDEA OF A 12 YEAR SUNSET DATE THAT COINCIDES WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THAT WAS RECOMMENDED, 12 YEARS.
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THAT SEEMS A REALLY LONG TIME , I AM IN SUPPORT OF A SUNSET CLAUSE TOO, I DON'T KNOW. YOU CORRELATED THAT WITH --
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. I AM NOT TREAT YEARS IS ENOUGH. YOU KNOW? THINGS GO SLOWER THAN WE THINK.
OKAY, COUNCILMEMBER MAURER, THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER
McLEWIS, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING?
I'M CURIOUS ON YOUR THOUGHTS BECAUSE I WAS THINKING LIKE EIGHT
YEARS, FIVE YEARS, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SO UPSET, THEY ARE COMPARING THIS TO THE HOSPITAL TAX.
THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT , AND I DON'T, EIGHT YEARS AT END
ABOUT THE TIME WE PEAK ON HER FIRST PAYMENT OBLIGATIONS AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ALMOST 3 MILLION SET-ASIDES REALLY HELPS
MITIGATE THE PAIN BUT IT STARTS DECLINING, AT LEAST THE LATEST PROJECTIONS AFTER THAT. I WILL TELL YOU, EIGHT YEARS, 12 YEARS, THAT GETS US IN A LOT BETTER SHAPE THAN WE ARE TODAY.
I CAN SUPPORT EIGHT. PERSONALLY.
I'M GOING TO LOOK TO COUNCILMEMBER HINTON FOR HER COMMENTS AND THEN VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN .
I'M GLAD YOU GUYS POINTED OUT BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST
THAT FIRE PROTECTION BE PULLED OUT AND I AM GLAD, I FORGOT IT WAS ALREADY REDLINED. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT HALF CENT SALES TAX TONIGHT AND I WILL SUPPORT THE SUNSET OF 12 YEARS. I ORIGINALLY WAS
NOT SUPPORTING A SUNSET, I THINK THIS IS A COMPROMISE BUT I HAVE
BEEN ON THE COUNCIL EIGHT YEARS AND WE THOUGHT THE HOTEL WAS GOING TO BE BUILT AND LOOK WHERE WE ARE TODAY. I HAVE TO SAY THAT
EIGHT YEARS GOES BY LIKE NOBODY'S BUSINESS AND IF WE ARE GOING TO
GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS TROUBLE THAN WE NEED A STOPGAP AND WE CAN ALWAYS END IT EARLIER. THAT IS ON THE TABLE BUT I WOULD AGREE
THAT IT SHOULD COINCIDE WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL AND I WOULD SUPPORT 12 YEARS. THAT IS WHERE I AM SITTING TONIGHT.
SINCE IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED BY TWO COUNCILMEMBERS, WHAT IS YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE IDEA OF A RESOLUTION OR POLICY?
I AM 100% FOR THAT. I AGREE AND I AM FINE WITH TRANSPARENCY. I MEAN,
OBVIOUS YOU HAVE BEEN IN FAVOR OF ATTACKS FOR A WHILE NOW, IT IS NO SECRET. IF THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES TO GET US OVER THE FINISH LINE, I AM
TOTALLY FINE WITH THE POLICY IN PLACE THAT WOULD TELL THE PUBLIC
HOW WE PLAN TO ALLOCATE THESE FUNDS AND IN FACT I THINK IT WILL
HELP US GET THE MEASURE PASSED BECAUSE EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A LOT MORE CONFIDENCE.
OKAY. I WILL TURN TO COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN AND I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THE CLOCK, IS IT REALLY ALMOST 11:30 ? OH, MY GOSH.
I SUPPORT HALF CENT SALES TAX AND YES, I AM FINE WITH HAVING THE
POLICY THAT WE CAN PASS TO INFORM THE VOTERS AND IT CAN ALWAYS
BE CHANGED, DEPENDING UPON HOW THINGS EVOLVE BUT I WOULD PREFER
TO JUST HAVE IT THE OPEN-ENDED UNTIL THE VOTERS DECIDE TO DO DIFFERENTLY.
OKAY. WEIGHING IN, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT BE A HALF PERCENT WITH
NO SUNSET CLAUSE BUT I AM LISTENING TO OUR COUNCILMEMBERS AND I
FEEL THAT A UNIFIED FRONT IS THE BEST WAY TO GET THE SALES TAX APPROVED IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO, I RECOGNIZE THE COPPER MY Agenda Item Number: 2
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STATEMENT MADE BY COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. I WOULD SUPPORT THE SALES TAX AS PROPOSED BUT WITH A 12 YEAR SUNSET CLAUSE. I WOULD AGREE TO THAT. AND I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT A COMMITMENT TO BRINGING
A DISCUSSION BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE THE PARTICULAR
ALLOCATION OF SALES TAXES, IN A FORMAL FASHION, IN TERMS OF HOW
THAT WOULD BE ALLOCATED, I WOULD SAY TO COUNCILMEMBER MAURER
THAT UNTIL WE HAVE THE FULL DISCUSSION , I WOULD SAY YES TO ROADS
AND STREETS BUT I CANNOT COMMIT TO A PERCENTAGE TONIGHT OR ANY
SORT OF SPECIFIC ALLOCATION UNTIL I HEAR FROM MY FELLOW COUNCILMEMBERS. SO, THAT IS HOW I SIT ON THAT. COUNCILMEMBER McLEWIS, YES?
I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN WILLING TO APPROVE THIS
AND I STILL HAVE RESERVATIONS AND THAT THE ONLY REASON I AM
WILLING TO CONSIDER THIS AND WHY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET TO A YES
IS BECAUSE I HAVE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THE
FEEDBACK AND WE HAVE HEARD, WE HAVE RECEIVED SO MUCH FEEDBACK
THAT PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH THIS AND I ALWAYS SAY THAT I WANT TO
LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, SO, SETTING MY OWN RESERVATIONS ASIDE I
FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT IT MAKE SENSE TO BRING IT TO THE VOTERS AND
THAT IS WHY I SPENT THIS TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET TO A YES AND OVER THIS. SO, HALF CENT, I WILL GET ON BOARD WITH A 12 YEAR
SUNSET AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS IN EARNEST IN
BRINGING THE POLICY BACK BECAUSE THAT IS LIKE THE DEALBREAKER FOR
ME AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN I WILL COME OUT HARD AGAINST THE SALES TAX, I WILL. TO ME WE OWE THE VOTERS THAT, IN MY OPINION. THAT
IS WHERE I AM AT AND I DO HAVE RESERVATIONS WITH THIS BUT I AM LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY AND SO, THAT IS WHERE I AM AT.
OKAY . I THINK WE MAY BE PREPARED FOR EMOTION. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY.
MADAME MAYOR, SORRY TO INTERRUPT BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT WHERE THE CHANGES WOULD BE BECAUSE I'M HEARING A CONSENSUS FOR THE 12 YEARS.
IS THERE A THUMBS UP ON THE CONSENSUS FOR 12 YEARS, YES. THERE IS.
AND ABOUT QUESTION ITSELF WHERE IT CURRENTLY SAYS UNTIL ENDED BY VOTERS, THAT WILL BE CHANGED TO SAY, FOR 12 YEARS AND IN THE
PROPOSED ORDINANCE, THE ACTUAL TEXT OF THE MEASURE, THE VERY LAST SECTION, 3.7 0.160 IT CURRENTLY SAYS UNTIL ENDED BY VOTERS AND INSTEAD IT WILL SAY, SHALL TERMINATE 12 YEARS, EXCUSE ME, THE 12th ANNIVERSARY OF THE OPERATIVE DATE. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL FOR MAURER?
MAY I ASK THE OUTSIDE COUNCIL QUESTION , ALEX, THIS IS MARY, CAN A SUNSET DATE BE DECEMBER 31st, 2036? INSTEAD OF 12 YEARS ON THE ANNIVERSARY DATE?
IT CAN, BUT THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE WILL NOT START COLLECTING THE TAX UNTIL APRIL 1st, 2025, IF YOU WANT 12 YEARS OF COLLECTING IT IT WOULD REALLY BE 12 YEARS FROM 2025.
OKAY. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
THANK YOU. CAN YOU ARTICULATE A MOTION FOR US, MARY? OR SHALL I TAKE A SHOT AT IT?
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JUST A SECOND.
YES. A MOTION TO APPROVE A SALES TAX MEASURE FOR A HALF PERCENT WITH A 12 YEAR SUNSET DATE AND WITH THE COMMITMENT BY ALL CITY
COUNCILMEMBERS TO RETURN FOR A DISCUSSION BEFORE THE CITY
COUNCIL, TO DECIDE UPON A POLICY TO DIRECT ALLOCATION OF SALES TAX FUNDS, THE RESOLUTION OR POLICY? I'M NOT SURE.
IT IS A COUNCIL POLICY.
OKAY.
IS NOT SUFFICIENT, MARY ? AND I'M SORRY, COUNCILMEMBERS, DO YOU THINK I CAPTURED WHAT OUR INTENT WAS? OKAY. MARY GIRLIE? SORRY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE WORDING CORRECTLY .
PLEASE DO. ALEX, CAN YOU RE-STATE HOW YOU STATED THE EXPIRATION OF THE 12 YEARS?
YES. IN THE FINAL SECTION IT WILL BE, WILL TERMINATE 12 YEARS FROM THE OPERATIVE DATE.
FROM WHEN WE COLLECT.
THE QUESTION IS, 12 YEARS FROM THE OPERATIVE DATE , WHICH WOULD MEAN WHAT?
THAT WOULD BE APRIL 1st, 2037.
12 YEARS FROM APRIL 1st OF 2025.
CORRECT.
OKAY, THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS BEING ASKED? SO, WE ARE
WAITING FOR MARY TO STRUCTURE OUR MOTION CORRECTLY, WHICH GIVEN
THAT IT IS A SALES TAX MEASURE, AND I APOLOGIZE TO HER ACTING FIRE CHIEF, WE WILL NOT BE GETTING TO THE FIRE AD HOC ITEMS. YEAH.
I'M GOING TO TRY THIS. WHOEVER WILL MOVE THE SECOND, SHALL BE THE MOTION. TO DROP THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION CALLING FOR THE
PLACEMENT OF A GENERAL TAX MEASURE ON THE BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER 5th, 2024 GENERAL MUSICAL ELECTION, FOR THE SUBMISSION TO THE
QUALIFIED VOTERS OF AN ORDINANCE TO ENACT A GENERAL TRANSACTION
IN SALES TAX AT THE RATE OF HALF CENT IN REQUESTING THAT THE
SONOMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONSENTS THE CONSOLIDATION
OF THE ELECTION WITH THE STATEWIDE GENERAL ELECTION TO BE HELD ON
THE SAME DATE AND MODIFY THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION AN ORDINANCE
TO REFER TO A HALF CENT TAX AND TO ADOPT BY MOTION UP TWO
MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO PREPARE THE ARGUMENT TO BE
SUBMITTED IN FAVOR OF THE MEASURE AND A REBUTTAL AGAINST ANY
ARGUMENT SUBMITTED AGAINST THE MEASURE, DIRECTING STAFF TO
RETURN TO THE CITY COUNCIL POLICY ON THE ALLOCATION OF THE SALES
TAX FUNDS AT THE MEASURE IS APPROVED AND I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THE BALLOT MEASURE QUESTION. SO, THE SEBASTOPOL PUBLIC SAFETY
ROAD CITY'S SAFETY MEASURE TO MAINTAIN SEBASTOPOL CITY SERVICES SUCH AS 911, EMERGENCY, MEDICAL, POLICE, FIRE RESPONSE, WILDFIRE
EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, MAINTENANCE AND STREETS OF RHODES,
LIBRARIES, YOUTH AND SENIOR SERVICES, RETAINING, ATTRACTING LOCAL
BUSINESSES AND FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT USE, SHALL THE MEASURE ESTABLISHING A HALF CENT SALES TAX GENERATING APPROXIMATELY 1.5, THINK IT IS MORE THAN THAT, ISN'T IT? 1.65 SORRY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CORRECT, OKAY, 1 MILLION -- SORRY. AND GENERATING 1,000,520, 1.5 MILLION ANNUALLY TERMINATING 12 YEARS IN THE OPERATIVE Agenda Item Number: 2
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DATE REQUIRING AUDITS IN PUBLIC SPENDING DISCLOSURE, ALL FUNDS LOCALLY BE ADOPTED. DID I CAPTURE EVERYTHING?
SO MOVED, ALTHOUGH I HAVE A QUESTION, DO WE HAVE TO APPOINT TWO COUNCILMEMBERS TONIGHT? CAN I BE DONE AT THE NEXT MEETING? SECOND ON THE MOTION. TO WRITE THE ARGUMENT YOU'D WANT TO APPOINT TONIGHT. IT'S THE ONE WE WANT TO APPOINT TWO
COUNCILMEMBERS ESPECIALLY SINCE TWO OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GONE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. CAN YOU DO THE MOTION AND THEN APPOINT? OR DO WE NEED TO GET THAT INTO THE MOTION, MARY? DO THAT NOW.
WHO WANTS TO VOLUNTEER , I SEE VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO VOLUNTEER TO BE ON THAT? OKAY, I WILL VOLUNTEER, FINE. I AM VOLUNTEERING. OKAY. THE COUNCILMEMBERS THUMBS UP, OKAY WITH APPOINTING ME AND VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN TO THE COMMITTEE? OKAY.
SO, MODIFYING IS NEEDED, MARY GURLEY ?
THERE IS NO MOTION YET , I WILL NEED SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION.
I WILL MAKE THE MOTION.
I WILL DO THE SECOND.
SO MOVED BY MAYOR RICH AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HINTON
TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION, POINTING
VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN AND MAYOR RICH TO PREPARE AN ARGUMENT TO
BE SUBMITTED IN FAVOR OF A MEASUREMENT IN THE REBUTTAL
ARGUMENT OR ANY ARGUMENT AGAINST THE MEASURE AND THEN TO
DIRECT STAFF TO RETURN WITH THE CITY COUNCIL POLICY FOR
ALLOCATION OF FUNDS FOR THE SALES TAX MEASURE OF THEM MOTION IF
THE MEASURE PASSES AND THEN THE QUESTION IS READ, AMENDED TO STATE TERMINATING 12 YEARS UPON THE OPERATIVE DATE.
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. COUNCILMEMBER MAURER, COUNCIL FOR McLEWIS. VICE MAYOR ZOLLMAN, MAYOR RICH, THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. THE MEETING HAS CONCLUDED AT 11:35,
APOLOGIES FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT WE DID NOT GET TO, ESPECIALLY THE FIRE AD HOC BUT AGENDA SETTING IS MEETING TOMORROW MORNING.
OKAY, THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, EVERYONE. WE GOT THROUGH IT. [Event Concluded]
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