Sebastopol City Council
October 7, 2025

CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
MINUTES FOR REGULAR MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 16, 2025
As Approved by the City Council at their regular meeting of October 7, 2025 CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Zollman called the meeting to order 6:00 pm ROLL CALL:

Present: Mayor Stephen Zollman
Vice Mayor McLewis Attended by Zoom – ADA Accommodation Councilmember Phill Carter
Councilmember Neysa Hinton
Councilmember Sandra Maurer

Absent: None
Staff: Interim City Manager Mary Gourley
City Attorney Alex Mog
Administrative Services Director Kwong
Public Works: Erik Billings
Vice Mayor McLewis provided information that she was attending via zoom due to medical accommodations.

REMOTE PARTICIPATION UNDER AB 2449 (IF NEEDED): To consider and take action on any request from a Council Member to participate in a meeting remotely due to Just Cause or Emergency Circumstances pursuant to AB 2449 (Government Code Section 549539(f)). Assembly Bill 2302 (2024) (“AB 2302”) revises rules for when members of local legislative bodies may participate in meetings remotely. Specifically, it amends the number of meetings that may be attended remotely for just cause and under emergency circumstances and clarifies the definition of the term “meeting,” for purposes of remote attendance. AB 2302 caps the number of remote meetings a member can attend each year based on the frequency of a legislative body’s meetings: Five meetings per year for those meeting twice a month.

SALUTE TO THE FLAG : Mayor Zollman led the salute to the flag.

LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: The City of Sebastopol acknowledges that we live and work within the unceded ancestral homelands of the Southern Pomo and the Coast Miwok people. We pay our respect to the past, present, and future generations of these peoples, including the Federated Indians of Graton Rancheria.

1. Planning Commission Interviews: (2 Vacancies)
6:00 pm - Breanna Christenson
6:15 pm - Robin Rudderow
6:30 pm - Kenna Lee (By Zoom)
6:45 pm - Joan Harper
7:00 pm - Alex Kanzler
City Council Action: None Taken. Council conducted interviews.

Reference Order Number: 2025-281

2. Planning Commission Appointments: (2 Vacancies)
Agenda Item Number: 3
Agenda Item Number: 3
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The Council discussed the interviews of the applicants for Planning Commission.

Mayor Zollman opened for public comment. The following member(s) of the public provided public comment:

Kyle
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Direction:

The council discussed the applicants and interviews.
2027 Alex
2026 Joan

MOTION:

Councilmember Hinton moved and Councilmember Carter seconded the motion to appoint the following to the Planning Commission as follows:

Alex – Open Position – 12/31/2027 (Fills vacant position vacated by Seth Hanley) Joan Harper – Open Position – 12/31/2026 (Fills vacant position vacated by Kathy Oetinger) The members of the Commission shall be from among residents of the City of Sebastopol or shall be the owner of a business within the City of Sebastopol and a resident of one of the following school districts: Twin Hills, Sebastopol Union, and Gravenstein Union, and up to one person who is not in one of the above categories, but Agenda Item Number: 3
Agenda Item Number: 3
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who is a resident of the area served by one of the following school districts: Twin Hills, Sebastopol Union, and Gravenstein Union, may also be appointed. Members shall be appointed by a majority of the members of the City Council. A majority of the members the Planning Commission shall be residents from within the City limits at all times.

Mayor Zollman called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Maurer, Vice Mayor McLewis and Mayor Zollman Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved to appoint the following to the Planning Commission as follows:

Alex – Open Position – 12/31/2027 (Fills vacant position vacated by Seth Hanley) Joan Harper – Open Position – 12/31/2026 (Fills vacant position vacated by Kathy Oetinger) Minute Order Number: 2025-282

PROCLAMATIONS/PRESENTATIONS/INTRODUCTIONS:

The following were presented:
• Proclamation - Week Without Driving: We challenge elected officials in Sonoma County to go a week (the week of September 29th to October 5th) without using their cars for transportation • Proclamation-9/15-21 Pollution Prevention Week; 9/22-28 Russian River Creek Week • Proclamation – September as Childhood Cancer Awareness Month Reference Order Number: 2025-283
STATEMENTS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST: Conflicts of interest may arise in situations where a public official deliberating towards a decision, has an actual or potential financial interest in the matter before the Council. In accordance with state law, an actual conflict of interest is one that would be to the private financial benefit of a public official, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A potential conflict of interest is one that could be to the private financial benefit of a Councilmember, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A Councilmember must publicly announce potential and actual conflicts of interest, and, in the case of actual conflict of interest, must refrain from participating in debate on the issue or from voting on the issue and must remove themselves from the dais.

There were no stated conflicts of interest.

PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA (FIRST COMMENT PERIOD): Up to Twenty (20) Minute Time Limit (Two Minutes for up to ten speakers). Additional public comment will be held at the end of the discussion and action items for up to an additional twenty (20) minutes. Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers.

Process for calling on Speakers: Mayor or designee shall ask for public comment as follows: Speakers to be called on in an alternate manner (One speaker in person to be called on first; then one speaker remote to be called on second with additional speakers to be called on in the same manner) based upon the time limit.

The following member(s) of the public spoke during public comment:

1. Melissa

2. Linda

3. Member of the public

4. Kyle

5. A member of the public

6. Katarina

7. Jenny
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8. Paul

9. Sandy

10. A member of the public

11. Galina

12. Kim

13. Chris

14. Oliver
CONSENT CALENDAR: The consent agenda consists of items that are routine in nature and do not require additional discussion by the City Council or have been reviewed by the City Council previously. These items may be approved by one motion without discussion unless a member of the City Council requests that the item be taken off the consent calendar.

The Mayor will read aloud the title of each consent item (either full agenda title or a simplified version of the agenda title), and ask if a Councilmember wishes to remove one or more items from the consent calendar; and then open public comment to the members of the public in attendance. At this time, a member of the public may speak for up to two (2) minutes on the entire consent calendar and request at that time that an item or items removed for discussion.

If an item or items are removed from the consent calendar, the item shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor. Council Members may comment on Consent Calendar items or ask for minor clarifications without the need for pulling the item for separate consideration. Items requiring deliberation should be pulled for separate consideration and shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor.

Mayor Zollman read the consent calendar.

Mayor Zollman asked if any Councilmember wanted to remove a consent calendar item.

Councilmember Hinton requested Item Number 9 to be removed.

Mayor Zollman opened for public comment. There was none.

Mayor Zollman called for a motion.

MOTION:

Councilmember Maurer moved and Councilmember Carter seconded the motion to approve consent calendar items 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 .

Item Number 9 Pulled
Mayor Zollman called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Maurer, Vice Mayor McLewis and Mayor Zollman Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: None

3. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes of August 26, 2025 Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact with approval of this item.

City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes of August 26, 2025 Minute Order Number: 2025-284

4. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes of September 2, 2025 Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact with approval of this item.

Agenda Item Number: 3
Agenda Item Number: 3
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City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes of September 2, 2025 Minute Order Number: 2025-285

5. Approval of Task Order 2 with Wood Rodgers for the preparation of the Flood Resiliency Master Plan for amount not to exceed $152,130. This item is for engineering services for the preparation of the master plan as approved in the adopted CIP (CIP #0711-23.05). Carryover project from FY 2024-25.

Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact; budget has been approved in the amount of $170,000 City Council Action: Approved Task Order 2 with Wood Rodgers for the preparation of the Flood Resiliency Master Plan for amount not to exceed $152,130. This item is for engineering services for the preparation of the master plan as approved in the adopted CIP (CIP #0711-23.05). Carryover project from FY 2024-25.

Minute Order Number: 2025-286
Resolution Number:

6. Approval of Modification 1 to Amendment 58 with GHD Inc for the Water System Master Plan Update for amount not to exceed $14,738.00. This modification is for providing missing details in the City’s existing water model and including the infrastructure that was added to the City’s water distribution system since 2005. When the scope of work was developed, it was unknown by City staff if the water model originally prepared in 2005 would be useable or have sufficient retrievable data to use for the preparation of the updated master plan and the task (Task 6) became an optional task and was not included in the original contract, until such time it would be needed. As the work progressed on the master plan, it became apparent that additional analysis and data collection is needed to update the hydraulic model so it can be used for analysis of various flow scenarios, identify hydraulic deficiencies and to develop addition future CIP projects. This is a cost-effective approach and will result in a usable document that can provide the needed list of system improvements and upgrades, with preliminary cost estimates.

Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact with this approval; The cost for this additional scope is not to exceed $14,538 and is within the adopted Fiscal Year 2025-26 CIP Budget of $169,000 from the Water Capital Fund 501.

City Council Action: Approved Modification 1 to Amendment 58 with GHD Inc for the Water System Master Plan Update for amount not to exceed $14,738.00. This modification is for providing missing details in the City’s existing water model and including the infrastructure that was added to the City’s water distribution system since 2005. When the scope of work was developed, it was unknown by City staff if the water model originally prepared in 2005 would be useable or have sufficient retrievable data to use for the preparation of the updated master plan and the task (Task 6) became an optional task and was not included in the original contract, until such time it would be needed. As the work progressed on the master plan, it became apparent that additional analysis and data collection is needed to update the hydraulic model so it can be used for analysis of various flow scenarios, identify hydraulic deficiencies and to develop addition future CIP projects. This is a cost-effective approach and will result in a usable document that can provide the needed list of system improvements and upgrades, with preliminary cost estimates.

Minute Order Number: 2025-287
Resolution Number:

7. Report to Council regarding the storm drain repairs at 222 Ragle Road completed on June 26, 2025.

Receive and file. Repair of a storm drain pipe located on a City easement on private property at 222 Ragle Rd. Cost of repairs was $38,330
Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact. This is a received and file as there were sufficient funds in the Public Works/Streets budget for the repairs.

Agenda Item Number: 3
Agenda Item Number: 3
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City Council Action: Approved Receipt to Council regarding the storm drain repairs at 222 Ragle Road completed on June 26, 2025. Receive and file. Repair of a storm drain pipe located on a City easement on private property at 222 Ragle Rd. Cost of repairs was $38,330
Minute Order Number: 2025-288

8. Approval of Sponsorship of Membership Fees for Sebastopol Chamber to Join Main Street America Program. $1675.00 divided by 3 = $560.00. The total costs are to be shared between the Sebastopol Area Chamber of Commerce; the Sebastopol Business Improvement District Funds and the City of Sebastopol.

Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact as cost will be absorbed within the City Manager budget. This item was reviewed and supported by the Budget Committee
City Council Action: Approved Sponsorship of Membership Fees for Sebastopol Chamber to Join Main Street America Program. $1675.00 divided by 3 = $560.00. The total costs are to be shared between the Sebastopol Area Chamber of Commerce; the Sebastopol Business Improvement District Funds and the City of Sebastopol.

Minute Order Number: 2025-289

9. Approval of Revised Job Description for Planning Director Responsible Department: Interim City Manager/Human Resources Consultant Deborah Muchmore Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact with approval of the revised job description. City will begin recruitment process for Planning Director using currently approved pay rates and ranges.

INFORMATIONAL ITEMS/PRESENTATIONS: Informational Items or Presentations are items that are informational only and do not require action by the City Council. Presentations shall be scheduled as necessary for the promotion of an event or service or general information items to the Council and should be limited to ten (10) minutes total in length of item (total length includes questions of Council to presenter and public comment).

10. Informational Presentation: Michah's Hugs. The mission of Micah’s Hugs is dedicated to educating youth of the dangers of substance abuse & fentanyl poisoning, bringing awareness to the disease, breaking the stigma that follows it, in addition helping those that are suffering with addiction. Their Narcan trainings are Guiness Word Records bound. They will be providing a short presentation on the work with Analy and many West County schools, in particular their work with the Press Democrat around taking all news paper boxes and converting them to Narcan distribution centers.

Requestor: Mayor Zollman
Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact with receipt of this informational item.

Mayor Zollman presented the agenda item recommending the Council hear the presentation; ask questions, open the public comment, and receive the presentation and introduced Micah Sawyer.

Micah Sawyer and Melissa Sawyer provided an informational presentation.

Mayor Zollman asked for questions of the presenter or staff. Council asked various questions of staff and presenter. The Council provided comments to the presenters.

Mayor Zollman opened the public comment. The following member(s) of the public provided public comment:

Breanna
Oliver
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Direction:

The Council thanked the presenter for the informational presentation.

Agenda Item Number: 3
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City Council Action: None Required; Informational Only.

Reference Order Number: 2025-291

11. Update on FY 2025–26 City Council Goals and Priorities – Quarterly Report Provide the City Council with a quarterly update on progress toward the FY 2025–26 goals and priorities, including status of initiatives, accomplishments, and challenges.

Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact with receipt of this informational item.

Interim City Manager presented the agenda item recommending the Council hear the presentation; ask questions, open the public comment, and receive the presentation.

Mayor Zollman asked for questions of the presenter or staff. Council asked various questions of staff and presenter.

Mayor Zollman opened the public comment. The following member(s) of the public provided public comment:

Wayne
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Direction:

The Council thanked staff for the update.

City Council Action: None; Informational Only.

Reference Order Number: 2025-292

PUBLIC HEARING(s): NONE
REGULAR CALENDAR AGENDA ITEMS (DISCUSSION AND/OR ACTION):

12. Consideration of direction to staff to review and prepare updates to the Formula Business Ordinance, and to provide direction to staff regarding the development of a curated plan for the desired vision of the City’s downtown.

Responsible Department: Planning Director
Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact
City Attorney Alex Mog presented the agenda item recommending the Council consider direction to staff to review and prepare updates to the Formula Business Ordinance, and to provide direction to staff regarding the development of a curated plan for the desired vision of the City’s downtown.

Mayor Zollman asked for questions of the presenter or staff. Council asked various questions of staff.

Mayor Zollman opened the public comment. The following member(s) of the public provided public comment:

Laura
Oliver
Robert
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Direction:

The council discussed the curated plan portion of the agenda item.

Agenda Item Number: 3
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Mayor Zollman called for a motion.

MOTION:

Vice Mayor McLewis moved and Mayor Zollman seconded the motion to:

Direct staff to review and prepare updates to the Formula Business Ordinance, and to provide direction to staff regarding the development of a curated plan for the desired vision of the City’s downtown with the vibrancy plan Mayor Zollman called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Vice Mayor McLewis and Mayor Zollman Noes: Councilmember Mauer

Absent: None
Abstain: Councilmember Hinton
City Council Action:

Approved Direction to staff to review and prepare updates to the Formula Business Ordinance, and to provide direction to staff regarding the development of a curated plan for the desired vision of the City’s downtown with the vibrancy plan
Minute Order Number: 2025-293

13. Consideration of City Council Protocols for Start Time of Closed Session Meetings The City Council will consider a request for protocols for Establishing Closed Session Start Times at 6:00 PM with Exceptions as Needed.

Requestor: Councilmember Hinton/Mayor Zollman
Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact
Councilmember Hinton presented the agenda item recommending the Council consider City Council Protocols for Start Time of Closed Session Meetings with Exceptions as Needed.

Mayor Zollman asked for questions of the presenter or staff. Council asked various questions of staff.

Mayor Zollman opened the public comment. The following member(s) of the public provided public comment:

Kyle
Mary
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Direction:

The council discussed exceptions and direction that when a quorum has confirmed attendance, the meeting can be scheduled.

Mayor Zollman called for a motion.

MOTION:

Councilmember Hinton moved and Councilmember Maurer seconded the motion to:

Begin Closed Session Meetings at 5:30 pm
If the exception is required to starting time/date, that a quorum is needed to schedule the meeting.

Mayor Zollman called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

Agenda Item Number: 3
Agenda Item Number: 3
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VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Maurer, Vice Mayor McLewis and Mayor Zollman Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Begin Closed Session Meetings at 5:30 pm If the exception is required to starting time/date, that a quorum is needed to schedule the meeting.

Minute Order Number: 2025-294

13. Approval of Revised Job Description for Planning Director Responsible Department: Interim City Manager/Human Resources Consultant Deborah Muchmore Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact with approval of the revised job description. City will begin recruitment process for Planning Director using currently approved pay rates and ranges.

Interim City Manager Gourley presented the agenda report recommending approval of the item and introduced the City’s Human Resource Consultant Debotah Muchmore who provided additional information.

Mayor Zollman asked for questions of the presenter or staff. Council asked various questions of staff.

Mayor Zollman opened the public comment. The following member(s) of the public provided public comment:

None
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Direction:

There was no further discussion.

Mayor Zollman called for a motion.

MOTION:

Councilmember Hinton moved and Councilmember Maurer seconded the motion to: Approval of Revised Job Description for Planning Director
Mayor Zollman called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Maurer, Vice Mayor McLewis and Mayor Zollman Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approval of Revised Job Description for Planning Director Minute Order Number: 2025-290
Resolution Number: 6706-2025
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA: Two minutes per speaker for up to twenty (20) minutes total for public comments but can be reduced at Mayor’s discretion depending upon the number of speakers or Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers.

Agenda Item Number: 3
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A member of the public

COUNCILMEMBER(S) REQUESTS FOR FUTURE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS Mayor Zollman
Councilmember
Carter
Explore Ways City Can Assist – Woodmark
Mayor Zollman
Councilmember Carter
Modification to Flag Policy
CITY COUNCIL/CITY STAFF REPORTS/COMMUNICATIONS/ANNOUNCEMENTS/FUTURE MEETINGS:

14. City Manager and/or City Clerk Reports: (This will be either verbal reports at the meeting, or written reports provided at or prior to the meeting)
a. August 2025 Departmental Reports
b. Info Only: Voting Delegate for Cal Cities General Assembly; The City of Sebastopol will not have any Councilmembers attending this conference
c. Info Only: City of Sebastopol has received 5 Proposals in response to the Request for Proposals for City Manager Recruitment Services. City will be scheduling interviews with the five firms. d. Info Only: The City has the following open recruitments:
• Public Works Director -Deadline: September 11th
• Police Records Supervisor – Deadline 12th
• Accountant Hired for Administrative Services
• Conditional Offer for Police Officer Position
• Conditional Offer to Associat Planner
• Upcoming: Planning Director Recruitment
• Admin Tech (2 Positions) in Interview Process

15. City Council Reports/Committee/Sub-Committee Meeting Reports: (Reports by Mayor/City Councilmembers Regarding Various Agency Meetings/Committee Meetings/Sub-Committee Meeting /Conferences Attended and Possible Direction to its Representatives (If Needed) on Pending issues before such Boards. ((This will be either verbal reports at the meeting, or written reports provided at or prior to the meeting)

16. Council Communications Received (Information/Meetings/Correspondence Received from the General Public to Councilmembers)
CLOSED SESSION: NONE

ADJOURNMENT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING
September 16, 2025 City Council Regular Meeting will be adjourned to the next Regular City Council Meeting of Tuesday, October 7, 2025 at 6:00 pm, Sebastopol Youth Annex, 425 Morris Street, Sebastopol, CA.

Mayor Zollman adjourned the Regular City Council Meeting of September 16, 2025 at 10:03 pm to the next Regular City Council Meeting of Tuesday, October 7, 2025 at 6:00 pm, Sebastopol Youth Annex, 425 Morris Street, Sebastopol.

Agenda Item Number: 3
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Respectfully submitted,
Mary C. Gourley
Interim City Manager/City Clerk
Attachment: Zoom Transcript

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City Council Meeting - September 16, 2025
WE ARE ABOUT THREE MINUTES OUT. HOW IS IT GOING ON YOUR END? YEAH JUST CHECKING.

GOING AGAIN.

YES, CHECKING, CHECK, CHECK. ALL RIGHT, THANKS.

DO WE HAVE A STATUS ON-- I KNOW THE OTHER.

ONE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO BE HERE BY 6:00. LET ME FIND OUT THE OTHER ONE.

ALL RIGHT.

ZACK, ARE YOU READY TO START RECORDING?
RECORDING IN PROGRESS.

ALL RIGHT. SO IT IS NOW 6:00, DOING A CHECK AGAIN, CODY, ARE YOU GOOD ON YOUR END? YES, MARY, YOU GOOD? ?
I AM.

OKAY.

GREAT, WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:00. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. IN PERSON, ZOOMING IN. SO, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL.

CAN I GET JUST A SECOND?
SURE.

MCLEWIS IS LOGGING IN REMOTELY. CAN YOU WORK OUT AS A CO-HOST? LET HER DO VIDEO AND AUDIO, PLEASE.

VICE MAYOR MCLEWIS, CAN YOU HEAR US?
YES.

THANK YOU.

APOLOGIES, MAYOR.

NO, IT IS ALL GOOD. THEN, ROLL CALL, MARY.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER.

HERE.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.

HERE.

COUNCILMEMBER MOWER.

HERE.

VICE MAYOR MCLEWIS.

HERE.

MAYOR ZOLLMAN.

THE COUNCIL IS ALL IN ATTENDANCE.

OKAY. MOVING ON TO SALUTE TO THE FLAG, CORRECT, MARY?
YES. VICE MAYOR?
I AM PARTICIPATING REMOTELY AS A MEDICAL ACCOMMODATION.

THERESENT ANYONE IN THE ROOM WITH ME CURRENTLY, I AM JUST

FOLLOWING MY PHYSICIAN'S ORDERS DUE TO A COMPROMISED IMMUNE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU. WE CAN GO TO THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG.

WILL YOU JOIN ME IN THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG?
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WE HAVE A NEW ADDITION, A LAND ACKNOWLEDGE, THE CITY

ACKNOWLEDGES WE LIVE AND WORK WITHIN THE UNSEATED ANCEST REAL HOME LANDS OF THE SOUTHERN POMO AND COAST PEOPLE. WE PAY

RESPECTS TO THE PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE GENERATIONS OF THESE PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE INDIANS. WE ARE MOVING TO NEXT ITEM, THE

PLANNING, THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES AND FIVE APPLICANTS PROCESS WE WILL CALL THE FIRST APPLICANT WHO WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES AND IF THAT CONCLUDES BEFORE THE 15 MINUTES WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THE 6:15 TO CALL THE NEXT ONE, ET CETERA Y. BELIEVE WE ARE HAVING THEM COME TO THE MIC.

YES, THE APPLICANTS WILL COME TO THE MICROPHONE.

GREAT. THE FIRST WILL BE MS. BRIANNA,PLEASE COME UP.

THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING WON'T BE UNTIL AT LEAST 7:15.

YES, SORRY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. THOSE HERE TO MAKE PUBLIC

COMMENT, SPECIFICALLY ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA, THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN UNTIL AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION INTERVIEWS. WE HAVE FIVE OF THEM FOR 15 MINUTES. SO, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, WE WILL NOT GET TO THEM UNTIL 7:15 AS, HOPEFULLY, YOU CAN ALWAYS SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENT ANY TIME IN WRITING TO MARY, M-G-O-U-R-L-E-Y@CITY OF SEBASTOPOL.GOV.

APOLOGIES.

INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

YEAH.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

MY NAME IS BREONNA CHRISTENSEN, I AM-- I APPLIED FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION POSITION. I AM A RESIDENT OF SEBASTOPOL, I LIVED IN SEBASTOPOL MY WHOLE LIFE. I GREW UP HERE, WENT TO ANNA LEE. MY

NAME, ACTUALLY MY DAD, GRANDMOTHER, EVERYBODY CAME THROUGH SEBASTOPOL, SO WE ARE ALL LOCAL. I SPENT SOME SOMETIME OUTSIDE OF

SEBASTOPOL TRAVELING IN SACRAMENTO WITH MY HUSBAND, LIVED THERE

FOR A FEW YEARS, MOVED BACK, AND RECENTLY E, AS OF NOV OF THIS

YEAR, WILL BE CELEBRATING A YEAR AT MY OFFICE Y AM A

NEUROMUSCULAR MASSAGE THERAPIST BY TRADE AND I HAVE-- I OPENED AN OFFICE DOWNTOWN ON MAIN STREET. I AM REALLY HAPPY TO BE BACK HERE IN SEBASTOPOL. IT HAS BEEN REALLY WONDERFUL BEING ABLE TO

SEE, NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE NOSTALGIA OF OUR CHILDHOOD

AND WHAT OUR CHILDHOOD WAS IN OUR HOME TOWN, BUT ALSO THE GROWTH AND WHAT SEBASTOPOL HAS BECOME IN 2025. IT HAS BEEN COOL

TO COME BACK HERE AND WORK AND LIVE AND BE ABLE TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU, AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS FROM MY

COLLEAGUES AND ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO--

I WILL LEAN OFF--
GO AHEAD.

NO, NO.

TRYING TO ESTABLISH--
THE QUESTIONS.

YEAH, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE THINKING OF THE

CURRENT ISSUES UNDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE, AND HOW YOU Agenda Item Number: 3
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GENERALLY FEEL THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN MAKE THE VISION OF THE CITY THAT YOU HAVE.

I BELIEVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE INFLUENCE TO BE ABLE TO

SUPPORT WHAT IS ALREADY THRIVING AND ALSO PREPARE AND
ENCOURAGE GROWTH INTO THE FUTURE, AS WELL. SOME OF THE THINGS

THAT I SEE, FOR ONE, IS-- I THINK I, AS A KID GROWING UP IN SEBASTOPOL, I

THINK IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATION OF THE AGING

POPULATION WITHIN SEBASTOPOL, THE MEDIAN AGE RANGE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. SO ONE THING I THINK WITHIN THE PLANNING

COMMISSION CURRENTLY AND POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE IS HELPING TO

SUPPORT THAT AGING COMMUNITY, SO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IS

POTENTIALLY HOUSING, ELDER CARE, I KNOW ONE OF THE BIG, AGAIN,

BEINGP WITHIN THE MEDICAL ENVIRONMENT, ONE THING, FOR ME, THAT

COMES A LOT INTO PLAY IS HOW WE CARE FOR OUR BODIES AND AS WE GET OLDER THINGS HAPPEN. A LOT OF FAMILIES CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THEIR LOVED ONES, SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR OUR COMMUNITY? HOW

CAN OUR COMMUNITY HELP SUPPORT THOSE THAT ARE AGEING AND NEED THAT CARE? MY GRANDMOTHER, I AM BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOME OFF FIRST STREET OUT HERE. SHE HAD THE BLESSED

OPPORTUNITY TO PASS IN HER HOME, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY. NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CARE FOR THEIR LOVED ONES IN THEIR HOME AS WELL. LOOKING TO SEE WITHIN THE

INFRASTRUCTURE OF WHAT WE HAVE IN SEBASTOPOL, HOW THAT CAN BE SUSTAINED AND GROW AS WELL. ANOTHER THING IS BEING AS MY OFFICE IS

RIGHT ON MAIN STREET, I AM INTIMATELY AWARE HOW TRAFFIC FLOWS THROUGH TOWN. I HEAR IT EVERY DAY. AND WE HAVE KIND OF A UNIQUE

SITUATION AS FAR AS SEBASTOPOL GOES, BEING THAT WE ARE A CROSSROAD BETWEEN TWO HIGHWAYS. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS UPDATING AND IMPROVING OUR ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE. I KNOW

THERE HAS BEEN, FOR A LONG TIME, A CONVERSATION OF HOW DO WE--

HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY CHANGE THE ROADS TO POTENTIALLY IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW? THAT SORT OF THING. AND IN MY MIND I LIKE A LESS IS

MORE OPTION, SO, WHAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY MEAN IS USING, AGAIN,

THE TERM INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT USING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE

HAVE, MAYBE TAKING A PEEK INSTEAD OF CHANGING THE ROADS, MAYBE

TAKING A LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, THE CROSSWALKS, THAT SORT OF

THING, TO BE ABLE TO HELP IMPROVE FLOW, AND THEN ALSO I PERSONALLY

DON'T HAVE KIDS BUT I AM THE BLESSED AUNT TO FIVE WONDERFUL LITTLE

BABES, AND ONE THING FOR ME IS FOR ME THEIR GROWTH AND
SUSTAINABILITY WITHIN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. WHAT CAN WE DO

AS A COMMUNITY TO HELP SUPPORT THEM WITHIN THE SEBASTOPOL UNION SCHOOL DISTRICT? AND HOW WE CAN HELP WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.

YOU ARE SPEAKING MY LANGUAGE WITH THE WHOLE HEALTHCARE THING. I LOVE THAT. BUT RECENTLY I THINK A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME TO THE

PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I AM JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT SPOT

ZONING RIGHT NOW, SO, IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR BACKGROUND HAS NOT BEEN IN LAND USE, AND HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT SPOT ZONING? BECAUSE IT

COMES TO YOU GUYS FIRST, AND HAVE YOU REALLY GOT YOURSELF UP TO Agenda Item Number: 3
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SPEED ON WHAT WILL BE YOUR JOB ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH

IS LOOKING AT HOW EVERYTHING IS ZONED, LOOKING AT THE MASTER

PLAN, IF YOU RECOMMEND AN EXCEPTION TO WHAT WE HAVE DETERMINED IS THE OVERLAY, LIKE HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I AM NOT FULLY UP TO DATE ON THAT, JUST

BECAUSE, UNFORTUNATELY IT IS, LIKE YOU SAID, I AM WITHIN THE MEDICAL ENVIRONMENT SO IT IS SOMETHING I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH. HOWEVER, I

DO-- I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, AND ONE THING THAT I WANT TO BE ABLE

TO DO IS LOOK INTO HOW THE MUNICIPAL CODES, OR HOW THE SPOT ZONING

ALLOWS FOR THE POTENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO-- SORRY, I AM GETTING EXCITED.

IT IS OKAY.

WELL, SO MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE IS YOU SOUND LIKE YOU ARE A

LEARNER, AND WE DO HAVE TRAINING FOR NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK IT HAS BEEN LOCALLY, LIKE AT SONOMA STATE.

OKAY.

IF YOU WERE TO JOIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I WOULD ENCOURAGE

YOU TO GET THAT EXTRA EDUCATION BECAUSE, YEAH, THAT WOULD

EXPAND--

I FEEL LIKE THAT IS VITAL FOR-- I AM GETTING A NEW POSITION,

ABSOLUTELY, TO LEARN ALL-- I MEAN, IF I COULD COMPARE IT TO THE

BODY, LEARNING THE INS AND OUTS OF THE BODY IS NECESSARY FOR WHAT

I DO AS MY JOB, THE SAME SORT OF THING WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMITTEE AND THE CITY AT LARGE. YES, UTILIZING EVERY OPPORTUNITY

AND EVERY RESOURCE THAT IS AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO LEARN HOW I CAN DO MY JOB THE BEST.

THANKS. YOU GREW UP HERE, SO I SUSPECT YOU KNOW THE STREETS.

YES.

OKAY, GOOD.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, I AM DOING A TIME CHECK THROUGH MARY. SEVEN MINUTES.

IF YOU COULD CUREATE A VISION FOR THE DOWNTOWN, ASIDE FROM TRAFFIC ISSUES, WHAT WOULD YOURS BE?
I LOVE THE CONVERSATION OF A WALKABLE DOWNTOWN. I LOVE THE

CONVERSATION OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE BOTH-- AND I THINK WE HAVE

CREATED, WE, US, EVERYBODY HAS CREATED THIS UNIQUE SITUATION

WHERE WE NOT ONLY HAVE THE ORIGINAL DOWNTOWN ON MAIN STREET,

BUT WE ALSO HAVE THIS CONNECTION BETWEEN DOWNTOWN, TOWN SQUARE, AND THE BARLO. SO IT KIND OF CREATES THIS UNIQUE

OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE ALL THREE ZONES, UTILIZE ALL

THREE AREAS TO PROMOTE MORE OF A WALKABILITY IN AND AROUND THE

AREA AND PROMOTE POTENTIALLY BETTER BUSINESS FLOW IS THE WORDS I AM TRYING TO USE. I THINK IT IS, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE COME TO SEBASTOPOL FOR THAT. I THINK THERE IS, WELL, I DON'T EVEN THINK, I

KNOW THERE IS A UNIQUE CHARM TO SEBASTOPOL THAT DRAWS A LOT OF

PEOPLE OUT HERE DURING THE SUMMER, ON THE WEEKENDS, I SEE THEM FROM MY WINDOW, RIGHT ON MAIN STREET. I SEE PEOPLE WALKING BY. I THINK PEOPLE REALLY LOVE THAT ASPECT OF OUR TOWN. SO TO BE ABLE TO, AGAIN, HELP GUIDE THAT, EVEN FURTHER.

YEAH.

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THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR.

YES, THANK YOU. I WAS JUST WONDERING, WE HAVE HAD SOME NEW

DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CANOPY PROJECT, THE NEW HOTEL, I

AM CURIOUS WHAT YOUR OPINION IS ABOUT THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS

AND SINCE YOU HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, I FIND THAT OPINIONS VARY GREATLY. I AM CURIOUS WHAT YOURS IS ABOUT THAT.

I THINK IT IS GREAT. I THINK THAT THE HOTEL DOWNTOWN IS A GREAT

OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, AGAIN, BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE INTO THE BAR

LOW, INTO DOWNTOWN TO SEE OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY, AND THAT ALSO

MEANS, I MEAN, ON A BUSINESS SIDE OF THINGS, IT MEANS MORE MONEY

COMING IN, IT MEANS POTENTIALLY MORE FINANCES TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE PROJECTS, OR IMPROVE PROJECTS. WE HAVE-- I KNOW THAT OUR,

BEING THAT I AM FROM HERE&I HAVE GROWN UP HERE, THERE IS A LOT OF

BUILDINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN IMPROVED ON, AND MAYBE NEED THAT

IMPROVEMENT OR FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE ON THAT BUILDING. SO I SEE THAT AS A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY. AGAIN, WITH

EVERY OPPORTUNITY COMES SOME SORT OF OBSTACLE THAT WE HAVE TO

OVERCOME, OR MAYBE TRY AND NAVIGATE, BUT I THINK THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT IS OUT OF OUR WHEEL HOUSE TO BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE.

GREAT. THE LAST COUPLE OF MINUTES, I KNOW IN ALL OF THE

APPLICATIONS IT ASKS ABOUT CONFLICT, BUT CAN YOU BRIEFLY REITERATE

YOUR APPROACH TO CONFLICT, IF YOU WERE ON THE PLANNING

COMMISSION AND THERE WERE A CONFLICT ARISE, WHAT IS YOUR GO-TO IN TRYING TO HELP?
DO YOU SPECIFICALLY MEAN LIKE BETWEEN PEOPLE? OR BETWEEN--

EVERYTHING IS COMMUNICATION, EVERYTHING, TO ME, IS
COMMUNICATION. THAT IS, AGAIN, USING THE EXAMPLE OF THE BODY, I

TELL MY CLIENTALIZE THE TIME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE FEELING OR

HOW YOU ARE FEELING, SO THE ONLY WAY I AM ABLE TO KNOW THAT IS BY YOU TELLING ME. I CAN ADAPT AND ADJUST AND MAKE BETTER WHAT I AM DOING. I THINK THAT GOES THE SAME WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I

THINK THAT GOES WITH THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE AS WELL, IS GETTING

AN UNDERSTANDING OF IF THERE IS A CONFLICT, A LOT OF TIMES THERE IS

EMOTION BEHIND IT, THERE IS SOME SORT OF UNDERLYING, NOT TO USE

YOUR WORD, BUT UNDERLYING CONFLICT THAT IS POTENTIALLY
LINGERING, AND NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED. SO JUST COMMUNICATE, COMMUNICATE, COMMUNICATE.

GREAT. THANK YOU. ARE WE AT TIME, MARY?
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES LEFT.

THREE MINUTES. OKAY. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OR A SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE US WITH? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. JUST-- COUNCILMEMBER.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AND PUTTING YOURSELF OUT

THERE TO BE A PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE IT IS A SUPER VITAL ROLE FOR THE CITY, AND PEOPLE STEPPING UP IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, BEING OPEN TO ALL OF THE

IDEAS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A

LOT GOING ON, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS ENABLING BUSINESSES, PARKING, BUILDINGS HERE AND THERE. SO, I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO STEP UP.

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THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. I DO-- I DIDN'T READ IT ANYWHERE BUT I DO LOVE, AND THANK YOU, MS. HINTON FOR MENTIONING ABOUT THE TRAINING. I THINK THAT IS, ESPECIALLY AS A BUSINESS OWNER, AND AS

SOMEONE COMING IN THAT HASN'T BEEN A PART OF CITY COUNCIL OR CITY

GOVERNMENT IN ANY WAY, I THINK THAT IS VITAL TO UNDERSTAND THE ROLE AND TO KNOW THE INS AND OUTS OF IT. I THINK THAT IS REALLY

IMPORTANT, SO THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT AND I WOULD LOVE TO, IF I

DO GET IT, I WOULD LOVE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO LEARN FROM THAT.

GREAT.

WELL, THANK YOU. THAT IS THAT. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH AS WELL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO APPLY AND TO COME. THANK YOU.

SO, THIS MUST BE CLOSE TO THE NEXT TIME,ER ROBIN RUDDEROW.

APOLOGIES. SIMILAR. WE WILL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO INTRODUCE

YOURSELF AND ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR ZOLLMAN, MCLEWIS, AND CARTER AND HINTON, MY NAME IS ROBIN RUDDEROW, LIKE THE PARTS OF THE BOAT. RUDDER AND ROW. I HAVE BEEN A LONG-TIME VISITOR TO SEBASTOPOL. I LIVED HERE IN THE LATE 70s, EARLY 80s, WENT ON TO LAW SCHOOL, AND LIVED DOWN IN THE BAY AREA FOR QUITE A WHILE. I HAVE RECENTLY MOVED BACK TO

SEBASTOPOL AND BOUGHT A PROPERTY WITH TWO FRIENDS AND WE EACH

HAVE OUR OWN SMALL DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE--
HOW IS THAT?
WE ARE ENJOYING LIVING THERE AS A COMMUNITY. WE HAVE OUR SEPARATE SPACES AND WE HAVE SOME SHARED SPACES. WHEN I WAS

PRACTICING IN SAN FRANCISCO I WAS DOING A LOT OF ELDER LAW

MATTERS, UNFORTUNATELY FINANCIAL MISAPPROPRIATION OF ELDER'

ESTATES, AND I LEARNED ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF COHOUSING AND

THOUGHT WHAT A GREAT SOLUTION FOR MY CLIENTS WHO WOULD NOT

LONGER BE VULNERABLE TO THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS AND THEIR
NEIGHBORS AND THEIR CAREGIVERS. I PURSUED FOR QUITE A WHILE TRYING

TO PROMOTE CO-HOUSING AND FOUND THAT THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LIVING IN CO-HOUSING COULDN'T AFFORD IT.

THAT LED ME TO THE CONCEPT OF COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, AND JUST THIS YEAR I NOW RETIRED MY 10-YEAR ESTATE PLANNING PRACTICE, AND

FOCUSING JUST ON WORKING WITH COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS AROUND THE STATE. I AM A MEMBER OF THE CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY LAND TRUST NETWORK AND I AM ON THEIR LEGAL TA PANEL. SO PEOPLE, MEMBERS WRITE IN AND THEY NEED LEGAL HELP. THE NETWORK WILL PAY FOR MY SERVICES FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. AND I FIND THAT WORK VERY

REWARDING, BUT A HUGE STRUGGLE BECAUSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS

REALLY HARD TO COME BY, THE MONEY IS JUST NOT THERE, AND ALL THE MORE SO IN THE LAST YEAR. I DO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE COMMONSPACE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST HERE IN SEBASTOPOL. I WAS ON THEIR BOARD

FOR A WHILE, AND THEN STEPPED OFF SO I COULD START FOCUSING MY

LEGAL PRACTICE IN THE DIRECTION OF COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, BUT I

WORK WITH THEM ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FUNDRAISING, AND

IT IS EXCITING WHAT THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST MOVEMENT IS

BRINGING TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AND THE COUNTRY, AND ISSUES Agenda Item Number: 3
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THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT IS PRESERVING HOUSING FOR FARM

WORKERS, AS WELL AS THE WORKFORCE, AND TRAFFIC PEOPLE MORE OFTEN

WOMEN THAN MEN, BUT WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE COUNTY DA

RECENTLY, AND SHE SAID IT IS A BIG PROBLEM, THEY ONLY HAVE HOTELS TO DROP PEOPLE OFF TO IF THEY NEED HOUSING. I HAVE ALWAYS HAD AN

ETHICOF GIVING BACK TO MY COMMUNITY, AND WHEN I SAW THE NOTICE IN

THE PRESS DEMOCRAT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OFF OF
APPOINTMENT WAS A POSSIBILITY, I PUT MY NAME IN THE HAT.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES. LOOKING TO MY RIGHT.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. NO PRESSURE.

YEAH. SO, YOUR BACKGROUND IS VERY IMPRESSIVE. OF COURSE ELDER STUFF, THAT IS WHAT I DO, SO LOVE THAT TOO. IER NOTICED IN YOUR

APPLICATION YOU HAVE NOT ATTENDED A PLANNING COMMISSION

MEETING IN THE PAST AND YOU SAW ABOUT THE OPENING IN THE PRESS DEMOCRAT. SO, A, SINCE YOU DID THIS, HAVE YOU TUNED INTO A PLANNING

COMMISSION MEETING, AND B, WHAT MOTIVATED YOU TO DECIDE TO APPLY FOR THE POSITION?

SINCE I SAW THE ANNOUNCEMENT, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A PLANNING

COMMISSION MEETING, BECAUSE THEY CONTINUE TO BE CANCELED, BUT I DID LISTEN TO THE LAST FEW MEETINGS ONLINE.

THANK YOU. WHAT WAS YOUR MOTIVATION TO APPLY?

A DESIRE TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT

ABOUT IT BEFORE I SAW THE NOTEUS AND I SAID THAT WOULD BE REALLY

INTERESTING AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE A PART OF HELPING TO

SHAPE SEBASTOPOL'S HOUSING POLICY, AND THE WAY THAT LAND IS USED IN OUR TOWN.

THANK YOU.

GREAT.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER CARTER.

AGAIN, VERY GLAD YOU STEPPED UP. THAT IS GREAT THAT MORE PEOPLE

THAT ARE COMING ON AND HOPEFULLY WE ARE GOING TO HELP YOU FEEL

EMPOWERED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE SO YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOUR TIME,

ANYBODY'S TIME ON THESE COMMISSIONS FEELS FRIVOLOUS OR WHATEVER BUT YOU WILL HAVE A BIG IMPACT. THERE ARE A FEW THINGS COMING

ONLINE, WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT LOWER COST HOUSING, AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH ADUs, I DON'T KNOW BUT FACILITATING

THESE THINGS MAY OR MAY NOT COME THROUGH THE PLANNING

COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PARKING, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN BUILD MORE DENSITY, THESE KIND OF THINGS. DO YOU HAVE ANY

PARTICULAR IDEAS OR SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE FOND OF THAT WILL CREATE LOWER COST HOUSING?

COMMON SPACE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST IS FOCUSING ON CREATING

HOUSING BY STARTING WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEN ADDING AN ADU AND THE LAW SEEMS TO BE EXPANDING THAT OPPORTUNITY. WHILE I

DON'T WANT TO CRAM HOUSING INTO EVERY TINY SPOT THAT IS AVAILABLE,

THERE IS A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT THERE IS AMPLE ROOM TO BUILD

MORE UNITS AND I AM REALLY IN FAVOR OF THAT MODEL AS OPPOSED TO

BUILDING A BIG APARTMENT BUILDING THAT YOU PUT PEOPLE IN TO

BECAUSE I WANT TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY, AND HAVE THEM

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STORE, JUST BE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WELL AS THEIR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER MAURER.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST IS WHAT DO YOU LOVE ABOUT SEBASTOPOL? ER AND THE SECOND ONE IS IF YOU COULD CUREATE A VISION FOR THE DOWNTOWN, WHAT WOULD YOURS BE?

WELL, WHAT I LOVE ABOUT SEBASTOPOL IS TWO PART, ONE IS THE RURAL FEELING THAT IT STILL HAS, EVEN IN THE 40 YEARS SINCE I INITIALLY LIVED

HERE, BUT I LOVE THAT THE DOWNTOWN HAS ALL THE SERVICES THAT A

RESIDENT NEEDS, GROCERY STORE, DRUGSTORE, HARDWARE STORE, AND

OTHER SERVICES HAVING LIVED DOWN IN BODEGA BAY FOR A LONG TIME,

THAT WAS REALLY REMOTE AND EVERYTHING I NEEDED WAS IN

SEBASTOPOL, AND MY FRIENDS COME TO VISIT NOW AND ARE LIKE, JUST EVERYTHING IS RIGHT HERE. A CUREATING VISION, I WILL ALWAYS LEAN

TOWARDS PRESERVING THE RURAL FEEL IN SEBASTOPOL AND ALSO

ENCOURAGING THE WALKABILITY OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHEN I NEED

THING DOWNTOWN I PARK AT THE MUNICIPAL LOT OVER BY HOT MONK AND I WALK AND THAT IS A BIG JOY FOR ME.

THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR.

YES, THANK YOU. SAME QUESTION, I AM JUST CURIOUS WITH NEW

DEVELOPMENTS WE HAD WITH HOUSING, THE CANOPY PROJECT AND THE

NEW HOTEL Y AM CURIOUS OF YOUR OPINION ON THESE DEVELOPMENTS HERE IN SEBASTOPOL.

I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO BRING HOUSING TO SEBASTOPOL IN

WHATEVER FORM IT CAN BE, SO IF IT DOES HAVE TO BE A BUILDING OR A

TINY HOUSE VILLAGE, AS OPPOSED TO SPREADING PEOPLE OUT, I AM STILL

IN FAVOR OF THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A CRISIS IN SONOMA COUNTY,

LACK OF HOUSING AND THE DOWNTOWN HOTEL, I THINK WILL ADD SOME VIBRANCY TO THE DOWNTOWN. I JUST SAW A LIST OF ALL THE BUSINESSES

THAT HAVE CLOSED IN DOWNTOWN IN THE RECENT TIME AND I THINK THAT

OUR BUSINESS PEOPLE NEED THE SUPPORT OF BRINGING VISITORS TO THE TOWN.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I THINK ZEE A COUPLE MORE MINUTES LEFT, FIVE MINUTES. SAME

QUESTION, CONFLICT AMONGST PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, SHOULD THEY ARISE, WHAT IS YOUR GO-TO ABOUT HOW TO MOVE YOUR WAY THROUGH IT?

I HAVE BEEN A STUDENT OF NON-VIOLENT COMMUNICATION, A BETTER TITLE IS COMPASSIONATE COMMUNICATION. THAT FOCUSES ON THE NEEDS THAT PEOPLE HAVE AND THEIR UNDERLYING FEELINGS. SO I TRY, IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT, IT IS EASY TO FORGET THESE SKILLS. I TRY TO

REFLECT ON WHAT THE OTHER PERSON IS FEELING AND WHAT THEIR NEED IS

AND THEN ADDRESS THAT IN A COMPASSIONATE MANNER, AS WELL AS

THINKING ABOUT WHAT MY OWN FEELINGS AND NEEDS ARE, AND SO THAT I CAN RESPOND TO THEM IN AN HONEST WAY.

GREAT. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE TO SUMMARY? LOOKING TO MY RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER.

YOU MENTIONED YOU HAD LEGAL TRAINING. I AM KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT

THAT, BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS PLANNING DESIGN, BUT IT IS ALSO Agenda Item Number: 3
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ENGINEERING, AND THEN THERE IS A LEGAL ASPECT TO IT. MANY PEOPLE

WOULD LIKE TO DO THINGS, AND I AM CURIOUS HOW THAT MIGHT PLAY, HOW ARE YOUR TRAINING WILL HELP YOU. AS AN ATTORNEY, MOSTLY IN MY

PRACTICE IN SAN FRANCISCO I DID A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK WITH

DEVELOPERS AND REAL ESTATE AGENTS AND CONTRACTORS AS WELL AS HOME OWNERS, IN INTERPRETING PLANNING CODES AND ZONING CODES. IT

WASN'T A HUGE PART OF MY PRACTICE, BUT I DID HAVE FAIR AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE DOING THAT. AND SO I THINK THAT BRINGS AN OPPORTUNITY

FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MOTIVATION IS BEHIND PEOPLE WHEN

THEY ARE BRINGING A PROJECT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WHEN

I WANT TO BE SINCERELY APPRECIATIVE AND RESPECTFUL OF WHAT THE

APPLICANTS DESIRES ARE, AND NOTJUST TRY TO SHOVE THEM INTO WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS.

THANK YOU. LAST COUPLE MINUTES, ANY SUMMARY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY, OR NOT?
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU THIS EVENING. AS I

SAID BEFORE, I SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE BACK TO MY COMMUNITY AND I WOULD BE VERY HONORED TO DO SO.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME, AND PREPARING THE APPLICATION, FOR COMING TONIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND WE CAN START WITH THE NEXT ONE. 6:30. THAT WOULD BE KENNA LEE AND SHE IS ON ZOOM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

YEAH, ZACK, CAN YOU ALLOW KENNA LEE TO HAVE VIDEO AND AUDIO, PLEASE?
SORRY, LITTLE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.

THAT IS OKAY. CAN YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU IT DONE?
I CAN UNMUTE IF YOU WANT TO START THAT. WE ARE JUST HAVING ISSUES WITH THE VIDEO.

MAYOR. IER CAN UNMUTE HER, I JUST CAN'T UNVIDEO, THAT IS FROM I.T.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START THE PROCESS?
SURE, IS EVERYTHING OKAY WITH THAT?
YES, SHE IS CO-HOST NOW.

SHE HAS NOW.

THERE WE GO.

HI. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
YES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ACCOMMODATING MY ZOOM PARTICIPATION. I

AM AT A TRUCK STOP ON ROUTE TO FAMILY OBLIGATION AND THEN CLIMATE WEEK IN NEW YORK CITY. I OZUNABLE TO BE THERE IN PERSON.

VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE DIALING IN.

YES. IN THE SAME PROCESS, ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY UP FRONT

BEFORE WE SORT OF OPEN THINGS UP FL FR QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES?
YES. I AM KENNA LEE, I BELIEVE MANY OF YOU KNOW ME FROM MY

PARTICIPATION IN THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE, OVER THE PAST FEW

YEARS BUT A FEW THINGS YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW ABOUT ME, I GREW UP AS

A CHILD OF PLANNING COMMISSIONER, IN A TOWN IN TENNESSEE, VERY Agenda Item Number: 3
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SIMILAR TO SEBASTOPOL IN SOME WAYS, WITH A RURAL FEEL, VIBRANT

DOWNTOWN, LONG-STANDING COMMUNITY, AND THEN INFLUX OF WEALTH

AND A CITY GROWING OUT TOWARDS IT AND WATCHED THAT PROCESS HAPPEN. MY FATHER IS AN ARCHITECT, SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH JUST THE PROCESS OF MAKING BUILDINGS. OTHER THINGS YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW ABOUT ME Y SPENT 17 YEARS BEING A HOSPICE NURSE IN SONOMA COUNTY,

HAVE BEEN IN MANY, MANY HOMES IN THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL CARING

FOR PEOPLE, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CHALLENGES OF THE AGEIC DEMOGRAPHIC OF OUR TOWN. THAT LEADS TO AN AREA OF EXPERTISE THAT

I HAVE GAINED THROUGH MY WORK AT THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF

PUBLIC HEALTH AND CLIMATE CHANGE EQUITY BRANCH WHERE I WORK ON

SUPPORTING LOCAL HEALTH JURISDICTIONS AND ADVANCING CLIMATE CHANGE WORK IN THEIR JURISDICTIONS. INCLUDING PRESENTING TO THE

PLANNERS IN DIFFERENT COUNTIES ACROSS CALIFORNIA ABOUT A HEALTH

POLICY APPROACH AND INTEGRATING CLIMATE CONCERNS INTO THE PLANNING PROCESS. HOW LAND USE AND BUILT-IN ENVIRONMENTAL

DECISIONS CAN AFFECT THE HEALTH OF COMMUNITIES AND HOW WE CAN

LOOK AT CLIMATE SCIENCE TO INFORM OUR THINKING ABOUT FUTURE PLANNING.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES? I WILL LOOK TO MY LEFT.

COUNCILMEMBER MAURER.

HI, KENNA. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOUR FAVORITE THINGS ARE ABOUT SEBASTOPOL? WHAT DO YOU LOVE ABOUT LIVING HERE?
THAT IS, GOSH, I COULD SPEND MY WHOLE 15 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT THIS. I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY SO MUCH. I LOVE THAT WE HAVE A RURAL

FEEL TO THE PART AROUND OUR TOWN, BUT THAT OUR TOWN HAS A LOT OF

VERY WALKABLE AREAS THAT WE HAVE VIBRANT DOWNTOWN WITH

BUSINESSES, A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE UNIQUE AND LOCALLY RUN AND KEEPING THE PROFITS IN OUR COMMUNITY. I LOVE-- GOSH Y LOVE HOW VIBRANT OUR COMMUNITY CIVIC LIFE IS. HOW MANY DIFFERENT

COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS USE OUR CIVIC ENVIRONMENT, USE OUR

PARKS, USE OUR COMMUNITY CENTER, AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE

HAPPENING, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SUCH A RICH CULTURAL LIFE AND

THAT THAT CULTURAL LIFE AND OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY ARE SO MUTUALLY REINFORCING THAT IT IS WHAT BRINGS PEOPLE TO THE TOWN.

THAT IS WHY A HOTEL WANTS TO COME IN, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE WE NEED THE TAX DOLLARS FROM THE HOTEL. THOSE MUTUALLY REINFORCING CULTURE AND BUSINESS AND SMALL-TOWN FEEL. I RAISED MY KIDS HERE. I

HAVE AGING PARENTS, EVERYBODY BENEFITED FROM THE KIND OF TOWN WE LIVE IN.

SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS IF YOU COULD CREATE A CUREATED VISION FOR THE DOWNTOWN, WHAT WOULD YOURS LOOK LIKE?

I AM A SUBSCRIBER TO BUSY STREETERIZE SAFE STREETS IN TERMS OF PEOPLE BEING ACTIVE AND WALKING ROUND THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE HOUSING DENSITY DOWNTOWN. I KNOW THAT CREATES A LOT OF

PARKING ISSUES AND THERE IS ALWAYS A TRADE-OFF BUT I THINK

KEEPINGER AND PULLING MORE HOUSING DENSITY INTO THE DOWNTOWN

AREA SO THAT WE REALLY ARE FEEDING THOSE BUSINESSES WITH PATRONS

AND THAT PEOPLE HAVE THAT QUALITY OF LIFE THAT I NOW HAVE, I I CAN

WALK AND I DO EVERYTHING ON FOOT IN SEBASTOPOL, IT IS AN AMAZING Agenda Item Number: 3
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QUALITY OF LIFE TO HAVE THAT. IT IS GOOD FOR MY HEALTH STSHGS IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY'S HEALTH. FINDING WAYS THAT WE CAN

INTEGRATE, HAVE MORE CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN AND MORE HOUSING IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE, TO KEEP IT JUST REALLY ALIVE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER CARTER.

ALTHOUGH I KNOW KIND OF A FEW THINGS ABOUT YOU FROM BEING ON

THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE, I FEEL I HAVE TO ASK A FEW MORE OTHER QUESTIONS. THIS ISN'T THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD Y AM NOT

REALLY WORRIED WHAT KIND OF STYLE YOU WANT TO KEEP IN THE AREA,

BUT I AM KIND OF WONDERING IF YOU HAD THOUGHTS ABOUT REZONING OR PARKING.

SO, I WILL CONFESS THAT I AM BIASED BY HAVING CARED FOR MY

HELDERLY PARENTS IN A TOWN I AM LIKE YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH A PARK

CLOSE TO THINGS OR ELDERS CAN'T USE THEM AND WE HAVE SO MANY ELDERS IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO, I AM A LITTLE MORE PRO-PARKING THAN MY KIND OF CLIMATE HAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE THINK. BUT-- I HAVE LOST THE THREAD OF THE QUESTION IN THERE. SORRY, CAN YOU JUST REPEAT WHAT BESIDES PARKING WAS YOUR QUESTION?

IF I WERE SMARTER I WOULD TRICK YOU INTO SAYINGING SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY. I CAN'T THINK OF IT. ANYWAY, WHAT DO YOU FEEL ABOUT HOW WE CAN IMPROVE MY WALKABILITY? WELL--
ZONING, MOSTLY.

YOU ASKED ZONING. THANK YOU. IT WAS A BIG QUESTION NAT I AM DROPPING HERE. ZONING IS AN OPPORTUNITY, A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO

PILOT THINGS I AM NOT SOLD ON THE IDEAS FLOATING NOW ABOUT

REZONING I AM CAUTIOUS, I LIKE TO PILOT THINGS, SEE HOW THEY WORK OUT Y. HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WHEN YOU MAKE TOO BIG OF A PLAN AT ONCE. WITH ANY PLAN THERE IS UNINTENDED

CONSEQUENCES, SO LETTING THINGS PLAY OUT, SEEING HOW NEIGHBORS REACT AND WE CAN GET USED TO THINGS. I LIKE PILOTING THINGS. THAT IS MY ANSWER. I DO LIKE BEING CREATIVE WITH HOUSING OVERLAY ON FORMER THAT ARE UNDER UTILIZED. HOW CAN WE BE CREATIVE AND

CREATING NOT JUST DOWNTOWN QUARTER BUT WALKABILITY IN OTHER

NEIGHBORHOODS IN SEBASTOPOL SO EVERYBODY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS HAS EASY ACCESS TO THEIR COMMUNITY MERCHANTS.

I THINK WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES LEFT. VICE MAYOR.

HI, KENNA Y. AM AFSHGING EVERYBODY THE SAME QUESTION, SO I JUST

WOND ERED WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS WE HAVE HAD IN THE CITY,

WHETHER CANOPY PROJECT FOR HOUSING, OR THE HOTEL, I AM CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR OPINION. I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE ANSWERED SOME OF THAT

BUT JUST TO BE FAIR, I AM ASKING EVERYBODY THE SAME QUESTIONS, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THE GROWTH.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I AM ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF US GROWING WITHIN OUR BOUNDARY. I THINK IT IS NECESSARY, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MANDATES

FROM THE STATE ABOUT INCREASING OUR HOUSING, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO. AND IF WE CAN DO THOSE IN WAYS THAT ARE

SUPPORTIVE TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE NICE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO

LIVE, INCREASING AFFORDABILITY, IT IS SUCH A HUGE ISSUE IN THE TOWN, Agenda Item Number: 3
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SO MANY PEOPLE WANT OUR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD HERE AND WE

WANT KIDS TO BE LIVING IN OUR TOWN, WE WANT KIDS GROWING UP IN OUR TOWNS AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS. IN ORDER TO HAVE KIDS IN OUR TOWN WE

HAVE TO HAVE AFFORDABILITY WHICH MEANS WE NEED MORE HOUSING STOCK.

GREAT. NOW TO COUNCILMEMBER WERE.

I ASKED EARLIER ABOUT SPOT ZONING BUT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ANSWERED THAT WITHIN THE OTHER QUESTION. THANKS FOR APPLYING.

GREAT.

I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT CONFLICT. WHAT IS YOUR GO-TO TO HELP MOVE YOUR WAY THROUGH THAT?
I THINK ONE OF THE PREVIOUS CANDIDATES MAY HAVE MENTIONED NONVIOLENT COMMUNICATION, SOMETHING, OR MAYBE IT OZA DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY BUT THAT IS A BASE APPROACH THAT I TAKE. I HAVE BEEN

ALIVE FOR LONG TIME NOW, AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO NOT FIND COMMON GROUND WITH SOMEONE. I THINK THAT WE CAN DISAGREE

WITHOUT CREATING CONFLICT SO WHEN YOU ARE SAYING CONFLICT, I

AMHERING IT MORE ON A PURPOSEINAL LEVEL THAN WE DISAGREE,

BECAUSE DISAGREEMENT IS GOOD ON A FIVE-PANEL COMMISSION, WE DON'T

WANT A FIVE-PANEL XHIG THAT ALL THINKS THE SAME THING BECAUSE THERE IS NO RICHNESS TO THE OUTCOME THERE. BUT, SO PERSONAL, IF YOU

ARE TALKING ABOUT PERSONAL CONFLICT, THEN SOMETIMES IT REALLY IS

A TOUCH POINT OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING, VERY AWARE OF ISSUES, THE

ONE-TO-ONE, HEY, IS THERE SOMETHING I AM DOING THAT JUST RUBS YOU THE WRONG WAY? COULD I BE PRESENTING MY IDEAS IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT WOULD MAKE US ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THEM DIFFERENTLY? I THINK

THE ONE-TO-ONE CONNECTION CAN MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE OUTSIDE

THE GROUP SETTING IF DISAGREEMENT IS LEADING TO THE ACTUAL CONFLICT.

THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?

I WANT A TO THANK YOU FOR COMING ON AND APPLYING FOR EVEN AN ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY CONTRIBUTION. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR MAKING THE TIME TO HEAR ME.

YES.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I THINK WE HAVE TWO MINUTES LEFT.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OR WE CAN LEAVE IT TO YOU TO SUM UP ANYTHING IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY.

NO. I THINK I COVERED IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I GUESS JUST THAT I AM

LOOK FORWARD TO, IF I DON'T ENVY YOU HAVING TO MAKE THE DECISION

BUT IF YOU DECIDE TO PUT ME ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I LOOK

FORWARD TO, CLARIFYING WITH CITY ATTORNEY, HOW THAT WOULD WORK OF HOLDING A SEAT ON BOTH COMMITTEES, AT LEAST FOR TEMPORARILY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME AND APPLYING FOR AND FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. THANK YOU.

I THINK IT IS CLOSE TO 6:45, ENOUGH TO START? OKAY. GREAT. OUR NEXT APPLICANT IS MS. JOAN HARPER.

GOOD EVENING. NICE TO MEET YOU GUYS.

LIKEWISE. THE SAME PROCESS. WANT TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW?

I HAVE ONLY BEEN A RESIDENT SEVEN YEARS, I HAVE RENTED FOR FOUR

YEARS, I HAVE BEEN A HOME OWNER FOR THREE, I HAD THAT EXPERIENCE, Agenda Item Number: 3
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TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO LIVE THAT I CAN AFFORD. I AM ALSO A PLANNER BY TRADE, AND TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE, 25-30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS A PLANNER. I AM JUST INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING TO

SEE IF I CAN HELP, LEND MY SHOULDER TO THE WHEEL, SEE HOW I MIGHT HELP THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL. MY GRANDFATHER WAS BORN IN SEBASTOPOL, ONE YEAR BEFORE I SEE THE CITY EMBLEM THERE. HE WAS BORN IN 1901, AND BEFORE THAT MY ANCESTORS LIVED THROUGHOUT THIS AREA AS THE POMO AND COAST MIWOK PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW TODAY Y.

HAVE A REAL INTEREST IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE

SEBASTOPOL BE A VIBRANT PLACE FOREVER AND I WOULD LIKE TO

CONTRIBUTE WHATEVER I CAN, WHATEVER SKILLS I MAY BE ABLE TO OFFER. I THINK MY BACKGROUND IN PLANNING WILL HELP ME CATCH UP QUICKLY TO WHAT ARE THE ISSUES AND HOW I MIGHT CONTRIBUTE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS, COUNCILMEMBER?

I NOTICED ON YOUR APPLICATION THAT YOU DO NOT WANT YOUR PHONE NUMBER OR E-MAIL ADDRESS VISIBLE. THAT IS UNUSUAL BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO REACH OUT TO US, AND THEY LIKE TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY. SO, COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT?
SURE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST A PERSONAL PREFERENCE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN ACTUAL PROPOCALL. SO, I AM HAPPY TO GO WITH THE PROTOCOL.

COUNCILMEMBER CARTER.

OKAY. SO YOU HAVE GOT PLANNING JOBS, WHERE WERE YOU AND, OR WHAT DID YOU, YOU KNOW, FOCUS YOUR STUDIES ON? WHAT SEEMS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT THING THAT YOU CAN ADD VALUE TO, WHAT IS YOUR NICHE? I GUESS I HAVE A BROAD SPECTRUM. I WORKED IN THE AREA OF

TRANSPORTATION I HAVE WORKED IN THE AREA OF HISTORIC
PRESERVATION, I HAVE WORKED IN DRAFTING LAND USE LEGISLATION. LETS SEE. I WILL TELL YOU SOME OF THE CITIES I HAVE WORKED FOR. CITY AND

COUNTY OF HAWNA LULU, CITY OF OCEANSIDE, CITY OF SAN DIEGO, I

ACTUALLY HAVE A RESUME IF THAT HELPS YOU, JUST TOO MUCH INFORMATION.

RIGHT NOW.

PARDON?
I WAS KIND OF KIDDING. IT IS KIND OF TOO LATE NOW. BUT YOU CAN TELL ME.

SURE, SURE.

I HAPPY.

TRANSPORTATION HISTORIC PRESERVATION, LAND USE, WRITING LAND USE

COMMUNITY PLANS, WHICH INVOLVE RESIDENTIAL PLANS ALL THE

ELEMENTS REQUIRED, TRYING TO THINK WHAT THEY ARE NOW,

RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL PUBLIC FACILITIES, THOSE ARE ALL ELEMENTS OF A TYPICAL COMMUNITY PLAN. I HAVE WRITTEN LAND USE LEGISLATION

FOR THE CITYY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU AS LAND USE POLICY ADVISOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY OF HONOLULU. CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU. IN SAN DIEGO I STARTED ADJUNIOR PLANNER AND WORKED UP

TO SENIOR PLANNER WRR I SUPERVISE THREE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PLANNERS WHO DID ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW FOR A THIRD OF THE CITY. I Agenda Item Number: 3
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GUESS YOU WOULD SAY I HAVE A BROAD SPECTRUM OF PLANNING. I DON'T

HAVE ANY PARTICULAR AREA THAT I WOULD FOCUS ON RIGHT NOW, I AM NOT WORKING AS A PLANNER. SO, JUST THOUGHT MAYBE I COULD USE SOME OF MY EXPERIENCE TO HELP.

COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?
THANK YOU. WITH ALL YOUR PLANNING EXPERIENCE, I AM WONDERING IF

YOU COULD TELL US WHICH PROJECTS THAT YOU WORKED ON ARE YOU MOST PROUD OF. AND WHY.

I THINK THE ONE I AM MOST PROUD OF IS DEVELOPING THE COMMUNITY PLAN, IT IS CALLED MIDWAY PACIFIC HIGHWAY CORRIDOR IN SAN DIEGO. I

GUESS BECAUSE IT WENT FROM EXISTING REPORT ALL THE WAY THROUGH DEVELOPMENT OF VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN. PART OF IT INVOLVED

WORKING WITH A COMMUNITY ADVISORY GROUP, SO JUST CITIZENS WHO GOT TOGETHER AND ENJOYED WORKING ON IT. BUT I GUESS THE MOST

SATISFYING PART IS THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED AND REALLY SET FORTH A VISION FOR THAT AREA FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS THE PLAN WOULD BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS BUT I GUESS THE MOST I WAS SATISFIED WITH.

ONE MORE.

SO, IF YOU COULD CUREATE A VISION FOR OUR DOWNTOWN, WHAT WOULD YOURS BE?

I AM NOT SURE AS PLANNING COMMISSIONER I WOULD PUT THIS FORWARD

BUT AS A PERSON I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A NICE CONNECTION TO YOUR

HISTORIC DOWNTOWN TO THE AREA ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BAR LOW,

TO MAKE IT VISUALLY CONNECTED, WHETHER THAT IS THROUGH STREET

DESIGN OF PLANTS, MATERIALS, HARD SCAPE MATERIALS, MAYBE BENCHES,

I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF ROOM FOR THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE, I KNOW IT IS ALL EXPENSIVE. WHETHER AND HOW, BUT IT IS SOMETIMES NICE TO HAVE A GOOD VISION OF THE FUTURE WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO. I

WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MORE CONNECTED, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A

LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A REAL SENSE OF SEBASTOPOL BUT ALSO IMPROVE THE VIBRANCY OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. I THINK

THAT IS REALLY KEY TO THIS TOWN IS YOU WANT VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS. I HAVE HEARD OTHERS SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE, BUT IT IS

WONDERFUL TO LIVE IN A TOWN WHERE YOU-- ANYTHING THAT YOU

PROBABLY NEED, YOU CAN PURCHASE IN THE COMMUNITY AND I LIKE TO THINK THAT IS A VALUE WORTH PROMOTING.

GREAT. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR.

HI. THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. SAME QUESTION I AM ASKING EVERYBODY,

WE HAVE HAD NEW DEVELOPMENTS HERE, WHETHER IT IS HOUSING, THE

CANOPY PROJECT OR THE HOTEL AT BARLOW, I WANT TO ASK YOUR OPINION OR ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT.

THE CANOPY PROJECT, I HAVE ONLY READ ABOUT IT SO I DON'T KNOW THAT

MUCH BUT IT SURE SOUNDS EXCITING TO HAVE A MIXTURE OF

DEVELOPMENT AND THEY SEEM TO BE VERY FORWARD THINKING, I THINK

THEY HAD SOLAR AND PLACES FOR GARDENING, SO, TO ME THAT SOUNDS

LIKE A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE, AND WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT THAT IN SEBASTOPOL? I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE DESIGN TO COMMENT ON IT. I DID COME TO A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON THE BARLOW, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING. I DON'T KNOW I WANT DOOD Agenda Item Number: 3
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SAY TOO MUCH ABOUT IT OTHER THAN YOU PROBABLY NEED SOMETHING IN

THAT SPACE TO BE DEVELOPED AND I THINK IT WENT THROUGH A VERY

GOOD VETTING PROCESS, SO I AM GOING TO SAY I RESPECT THAT PROCESS

AND I AM REALLY HOPEFUL THAT THIS WILL BE A GOOD PROJECT, I THINK

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, MAYBE TO, OR THAT PROJECT, TO INCLUDE THE

COMMUNITY MORE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN DO THAT, WHETHER INVITE IN FOR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES, THAT WOULD BE MY HOPEFUL VISION.

THANK YOU. SAME QUESTION ABOUT CONFLICT. IF THERE IS CONFLICT THAT

ARISES AMONGST THE FIVE OF YOU, WHAT IS YOUR GO TO AS FAR AS MOVING YOUR WAY THROUGH IT?

NOT EVERYBODY CAN-- SOME PEOPLE--

SOME PEOPLE MAY COME ACROSS ANGRY--
MICROPHONE.

I THINK THE MIC IS OFF, CODY. SORRY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN HEAR THE FOLKS AT HOME CAN HEAR.

CAN YOU PRESS THE BUTTON?
I DON'T SEE A BUTTON.

YEAH.

DO I HAVE TO REPEAT ALL THAT? MY MOUTH IS REALLY DRY.

CONFLICT. I AM USED TO CONFLICT. I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS, YES,

LOOK FOR THE COMMONALITIES, SEE IF YOU CAN FIND THE THINGS THAT

YOU AGREE IN, BUT REALLY LISTEN CAREFULLY FOR THE DIFFERENCES, TO

TRY TO SEE IF YOU CAN FIND, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHAT PEOPLE ARE

SAYING MAY NOT BE THE REAL ISSUE, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING

UNDERLYING AND IF YOU CAN FIGURE WHAT THAT MIGHT BE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. ABOVE ALL ELSE, THE

IMPORTANT THING IS FOCUS ON THE WORK, GET THE WORK DONE, DO NOT MAKE ANYTHING PERSONAL. IT JUST SHOULDN'T BE PERSONAL, THIS IS SERVICE THAT YOU ARE GIVING TO THE CITY. I SEE IT AS A JOB.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM COLLEAGUES? I KNOW WE STILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES LEFT. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROMANYONE? ?

YOU MENTIONED, AGAIN, I WILL SAY THIS, I LOVE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT AND APPLYING, WE HAVE GOT SOME GREAT PEOPLE.

I UNDERSTAND, YES.

YOU HAVE A-- BACKGROUND, DO YOU HAVE A MORE TRADITIONAL

BACKGROUND YOU CAN DESCRIBE AND HOW THAT WOULD INFLUENCE

YOUR PLANNING AND
WELL, MY PEOPLE LIVED HERE BEFORE SEBASTOPOL WAS A TOWN. BOTH THE POMO ANDICOSEA MIKOWA, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA IT WAS POMO.

NOT SURE WHAT ELSE YOU WANT FROM ME Y AM A MEMBER OF---- GRESZ REALLYSENT A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

NO, IT IS OKAY IF I COULD THINK OF SOMETHING MORE, I WOULD TELL YOU, BUT NOTHING IS COMING TO MIND.

THAT IS GREAT. THANK YOU. IF NOTHING MORE, A SUMMARY. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO LEAVE US WITH?

I WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HELP, BUT THAT IS ALL I WANT TO DO. I DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION OF BEING BOSSY OR Agenda Item Number: 3
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EXERTING MY, THE PAST EXPERIENCE, I SEE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO

HELP ME CATCH UP TO SPEED AND LEARN WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND SEE IF I CAN HELP SEBASTOPOL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME APPLYING AND BEING HERE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I THINK WE ARE THREE MINUTES EARLY. WE CAN GO. DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING WRONG.

MOVING ON TO MR. ALEX KANZLER.

SAME PROCESS.

I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING I WANT TO THANK THE CANDIDATES WHO HAVE SPOKEN ALREADYURIC FEEL I GOT A SNEAK PEEK OF THE POP QUIZ.

APPRECIATE Y'ALL FOR GETTING UP HERE, FIRST, SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH. I

AM ALEX, BORN IN THE EAST BAY, BUT I KIND OF CONSIDER MYSELF A CHILD OF SEBASTOPOL. MY FAMILY MOVE HERE WHEN I WAS IN FIRST GRADE.

APPLE BLOSSOM, TWIN HILLS, ANALLY. WENT TO COLLEGE OUT OF STATE.

MET A PETALUMA GIRL THREE STATES AWAY IN COLORADO AND WE MET

THERE BUT ENDED UP MOVING BACK HERE, STARTED OUR FAMILY IN

SEBASTOPOL, MY SON JUST STARTED T-K AT PARKSIDE ELEMENTARY, THE

LAST COUPLE WEEKVISE BEEN REALLY INTERESTING AS WE GET HIM TO SCHOOL ON TIME WITH A SMILE ON HIS FACE. I AM A SMALL BUSINESS

OWNER HERE, I HAVE BEEN HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE, FAMILY IS HERE, FRIENDS

ARE HERE, I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY, I FEEL I KNOW IT IS

STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, OPPORTUNITIES, AND THREATS, ALTHOUGH I

DON'T HAVE A FORMAL BACKGROUND IN PLANNING, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN

VERY CIVICLY ENGAGED, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT

IS GOING ON IN MY COMMUNITY, LOCAL, STATE, AND NATIONAL FOR THAT MATTER. I THINK I BRING UP FRESH AND UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE, VERY OPENMINDED PERSON, WORK WELL WITH OTHERS, I LIKE TO BE PERSUADED, I LIKE TO CHANGE MY MIND. I THINK SEBASTOPOL HAS A TON OF

OPPORTUNITY, IN THE NEAR AND LONGER FUTURE TO BE THE TOWN WE ALL

KNOW AND LOVE, MAINTAINING CULTURE, MAKING SURE THAT WE

KEEPOUR CULTURE AND WHO WE ARE BUT GIVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW BLOOD AND ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING THE THINGS THAT WE LOVE.

AND BEING THE COMMUNITY WE ARE BE BRINGING MORE PEOPLE. THAT IS A NUT SHELL Y. LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER MAURER.

IN YOUR INTRO YOU SAID YOU KNOW WHAT THE STRENGTHS AND

WEAKNESSES OF OUR TOWN ARE, COULD YOU TELL US MORE, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE STRENGTHS, AND THEN WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE WEAKNESSES? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, NONE OF US WOULD BE

HERE IN THE AUDIENCE OR COUNCIL, PLANNING COMMISSION IF THEY

WEREN'T PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS TOWN, IFI LOVE THAT PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR THE THINGS THEY CARE ABOUT. I LOVE THE APPLE BLOSSOM FESTIVAL, I LOVE THE FOURTH OF JULY FIREWORKS. I LOVE FOOTBALL, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE A SMALL FOOTBALL TEAM. I LOVE THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY,

AMERICAN A SPIRIT THAT WE ALL HAVE, AND THAT'S A STRENGTH OF THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK ONE OF THE WEAKNESSES, AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO

MY EXPERIENCES, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE WEAKNESSES IS WE HAVE

HEDGED ON A MORE CONSERVATIVE PATH OF WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THIS Agenda Item Number: 3
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CULTURE COMMUNITY AND SMALL OR NOT DEVELOPING IS A MEANS TO AN END TO SORT OF KEEP THAT CULTURE. AND I FEEL THAT THAT'S BECOME A

WEAKNESS IN THE LONG RUN, THAT IF WE ARE NOT BRINGING IN NEW

BLOOD AND ABLE TO AFFORD FAMILIES THEN WE WILL LOSE THAT, AND TO

BE PERFECTLY ON THE LIST-- HONEST, I AM AN ALUMNI BUT WAS DEVASTATED WHEN WE DIDN'T MAINTAIN THAT CAMPUS. IT'S HONESTLY PART OF THE REASON WHY I AM HERE. SO I THINK THE COMMUNITY WE

HAVE WRITTEN NOW NEEDS TO GROW--

I JUST WANT SOME CLARITY ON SCHOOL CLOSING--

FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MAIN

REASON FOR THAT CLOSURE WAS DUE TO LACK OF ENROLLMENT WHICH I TRACE BACK TO LACK OF FAMILIES BEING IN THE AREA. BACK TO HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.

I SEE, SO THAT'S A CONCERN FOR YOU IN THE TOWN OF SEBASTOPOL?

I THINK IT'S AN INDICATOR OF OUR , OF THE HOUSING CRISIS, IF I WERE TO

SUMMARIZE IF WE CANNOT MAINTAIN THE SCHOOLS MAYBE WE WILL NOT HAVE APPLE BLOSSOM FESTIVAL OR RIVALRY FOOTBALL GAME.

THANK YOU,THAT IS QUESTION ONE.

LET ME REFER TO MY APPLICATION HERE.-- I AM NOT A DIFFICULT PERSON TO FIND IT YOU CAN GOOGLE ME. I GUESS IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PUBLISHED ON A CITY WEBSITE, BUT I AM NOT HIDING FROM ANYTHING. I LITERALLY

HAVE BEEN FINGERPRINTED BY STATES I HAVE NEVER STEPPED IN, BECAUSE I AM IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRY AND ALCOHOL AND BEVERAGE.

SO, I LOST MY NEXT TRAIN OF THOUGHT-- OH, I HAVE BEEN ASKING PEOPLE,

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GROWTH AND SPOT ZONING COMES UP, UM-- HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT?
IT'S A TOOL IN THE TOOL BELT. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT-- CONSIDERING

ZONING ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS SEEMS A LITTLE CUMBERSOME I THINK IT

SETS UP UM-- A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND MOVING GOALPOSTS OF WHAT'S SORT OF APPROPRIATE. I WOULD PREFER AN

OVERALL LIBERALIZATION OF ZONING AT LARGE IN ORDER FOR

ENTREPRENEURS, OR HOMEBUYERS, HOMEBUILDERS, DEVELOPERS, TO YOU

NOW, USE THE MARKET AND THEIR EXPERTISE TO BUILD SOMETHING THEY THINK WILL SERVE THE COMMUNITY. THAT SAID I THINK CHANGING ZONING

WRIT LARGE IS PROBABLY A LOT MORE DIFFICULT THAN CREATING OR USING A SYSTEM OF SPOT ZONING TO INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. SO, NOT

OPPOSED TO IT, IT JUST SEEMS INEFFICIENT AND POTENTIALLY SET UP ISSUES. BUT, IF IT'S THE ONLY TOOL I THINK CHANGING ZONING FOR A PARTICULAR PARCEL TO MEET A GOAL SHOULD BE ON THE TABLE.

LAST QUESTION UM-- I FULLY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT YOUNG FAMILIES. I CAME BACK TO RAISE MY OWN CHILDREN HERE. UM-- HOW DO WE GET MORE OF THEM? WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION?
HOUSING, COST. I AM ABOUT TO MOVE ACTUALLY LIKE I DON'T KNOW, 800

FEET UP THE ROAD IN A RENTAL, BECAUSE MY HOUSEHOLD CANNOT AFFORD A HOUSE IN SEBASTOPOL. MY RENT WILL BE UP ABOUT 4X MY MOM'S MORTGAGE SHE BOUGHT FROM A HOME IN THE 2000'S. IT'S A STRETCH. WE ARE PUTTING THE REST OF THE MONEY IN THE ECONOMY. WE WON'T BE

GOING TO THE FARMERS MARKET, I WILL BE SHOPPING AT COSTCO, IT'S SORT OF A TAKE AWAY, BUT TO ME IT'S A HOUSING ISSUE FIRST AND FOREMOST.

THANK YOU.

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VICE MAYOR?

THANK YOU FOR APPLYING, AND I AGREE WITH YOU REGARDING YOUR COMMENTS ON BRINGING FAMILIES HERE. I AM ASKING EVERYONE THE

SAME QUESTION I AM JUST CURIOUS ON YOUR OPINION ON THE
DEVELOPMENTS WE HAVE. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE ANSWERED SOME OF THAT.

WE HAVE THE CANOPY PROJECT, AND YOU ARE TALKING MORE HOUSING,

BUT I AM CURIOUS YOUR OPINION ON THE HOTEL IN THE BARLOW, AS WE GROW, I WONDER YOUR OPINION ON DEVELOPMENT OVERALL.

THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. OBVIOUSLY I HAVE BEEN PREPARED FOR THE QUESTION. HER EYES-- ARE WE SPEAKING ON JUST THE HOTEL? JUST THE HOTEL BARLOW. I AM CONCERNED WITH COMMERCIAL
DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS. I'M CURIOUS YOUR

PHILOSOPHY REGARDING THAT DEVELOPMENT SHOULD ANY OTHER COME IN.

YEAH, I THINK SPEAKING TOWARDS MY INTRO ABOUT CREATING A

COMMUNITY THAT IS MORE WELCOMING I AM IN FAVOR OF BOTH OF THE

HOTEL DEVELOPMENTS, I AM SOMEWHAT DISTRAUGHT HOTEL SEBASTOPOL

HAS BEEN SHOVEL-READY FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BREAK GROUND ON IT. OBVIOUSLY THAT IS IN THE HANDS OF THE

DEVELOPER, BUT TO MAKE A MENTAL SAID THEY HAVE NOT BROKEN GROUND ON IT YET. I DON'T THINK THERE IS MUCH PLANNING COMMISSION CAN DO AT THIS POINT. IT'S SORT OF IN THEIR HANDS, BUT REGARDING

HOTEL BARLOW THAT'S A DEVELOPER THAT HAS PROVEN THEY CAN

NAVIGATE THE LANDSCAPE HERE AND GET STUFF DONE, SO I AM IN FAVOR OF IT. IT WILL BROADEN THE TAX BASE. I THINK IT WILL BE A GREAT SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK IT WILL CREATE JOBS, AND I THINK IT WILL GIVE THE LOCALS OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE. I THINK EARLIER

LIKE ANY TYPE OF LOCALS NIGHT, OR PROGRAMMING THEY CAN DO THERE

TO BE THE BEST BUSINESSES IN THIS COUNTY ARE ABLE TO CATER TO A TOURIST AND LOCALS ECONOMY. MOST OF THE ONES THAT SURVIVE CATER TO LOCAL COMMUNITIES. IT WILL BE CRUCIAL FOR THEM TO DO THAT. I

SPOKE IN FAVOR IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL FOR THE CANOPY DEVELOPMENT. I WAS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT. IT SPEAKS TO SOME OF THE GOALS I WOULD HAVE.

AND MY REGULAR QUESTION, AGAIN, CONFLICTS. IF CONFLICTS ARISE AMONG YOU WHAT IS YOUR WAY TO WORK THROUGH THAT?

I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE MOST INTERESTING QUESTION ON THE APPLICATION. SO, IF I MAY I'M GOING TO READ MY RESPONSE TO IT, BECAUSE I THINK IT SPEAKS TO WHAT I WANT. THE QUESTION IF APPOINTED HOW

WOULD YOU HANDLE ANOTHER COMMISSION MEMBER VEHEMENTLY GROUP

DISAGREEING WITH YOU ON A BASIS, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS WAS SPEAKING

TO AN EXISTING OR POTENTIAL CIRCUMSTANCE BUT I WROTE IF THE HIM

AND IT DISAGREEMENT I WOULD MAINTAIN COMPOSURE MAINTAIN THE

COURTESY AND PROFESSIONALISM OF THE COMMISSION AND AGENDA OF THE MEETING. I WOULD ASK YOU REMEMBER IF WE COULD SPEAK ON OUR DISAGREEMENTS IN PRIVATE AND SEEK COMMON GROUND. I WOULDN'T EXPECT 100% AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE A POORLY FUNCTIONING COMMISSION. AT THE END THERE ARE VOTING AT THE AND MOVE FORWARD TO OTHER ISSUES WOULD BE NEEDED. THAT WAS MY FORMAL STATEMENT,

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DISAGREEMENT IN A PUBLIC SETTING. THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO THE COMMISSION AND TO THE COMMUNITY. UM-- IT SHOULD

BE VERY PROFESSIONAL AND RESPECTFUL TO THE COURTROOM OF THE CITY. UM-- BUT YEAH, I WOULD NOT EXPECT TO AGREE WITH EVERYBODY ESPECIALLY 100% OF THE TIME, AND ONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES SAID IF EVERYONE AGREES 100% OF THE TIME THAT'S A POORLY FUNCTIONING

COMMISSION UM-- AND THEN MOST IMPORTANTLY LIKE FOR ME ON A PERSONAL LEVEL I DON'T HOLD GRUDGES. I DON'T LIKE LOOK BACK ALL

THE TIME IF THEY DISAGREED WITH ME ON THAT I GOT THEIR WAY I WILL HOLD SOMETHING OVER SOMEBODY'S HEAD. IF ONE COMMISSION GOES THIS

WAY, IT'S IN THE BOOKS, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT GOAL

NOT HOLD SOME GRUDGE OR YOU KNOW, BE BACKWARD FROM THAT POINT ON.

ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PASSIONATE COMING UP HERE. I ALSO HAVE YOUNG KIDS, NOT AS YOUNG AS YOURS, SO WELCOME TO THE SPORT OF IT. THERE'S A LOT TO LEARN. [ LAUGHTER ] BUT SPEAKING OF SPORT, LIKE, THEY MIGHT

GET INTO THOSE THINGS, AND ONE THING I REMEMBER IS BEING A KID IS BIKING AROUND TO MY PLACES. HOW DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN SET YOUR KIDS UP FOR A FREE SEBASTOPOL? FREE CHILDHOOD?
GREAT QUESTION. I THINK SOME OF THE STEPS FROM A PLANNING

STANDPOINT THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE LIKE BIKE LANES ARE A GOOD THING. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT WOULDN'T BE MANDATORY BUT SOME SORT

OF VOLUNTARY FORMAL TRAINING FOR HOW TO BIKE AND WALK ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. WE ALL HAVE TO TAKE DRIVER'S ED. I WANT TO PUT THIS

IN THE HANDS OF THE DRIVERS LIKE I SEE KIDS AND HOPE MINE WON'T BE DOING SILLY THINGS ON SCOOTERS AND BIKES AND WHATNOT. IT SHOULD

BE INCUMBENT ON THE PARENTS, BUT MAYBE WE CAN ASSIST THE PARENTS WITH LIKE THIS IS WHERE YOU RIDE, THIS IS WHERE YOU DON'T. THIS IS WHERE YOU LOOK BOTH WAYS ETC. I THINK THERE IS AN EDUCATION POINT TO IT. I AM 100% IN FAVOR OF FINDING TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS THAT OFFER ALTERNATE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION. WE ARE IN A CAR SOCIETY THIS IS

CALIFORNIA AFTER ALL, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE CULTURE AND

TECHNOLOGY IS MOVING FROM SINGLE OCCUPANCY DRIVERS, AND WE

SHOULD EMBRACE THAT AND LEVERAGE THAT AND CREATE ANY AND ALL

SCENARIOS WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET OUT OF THEIR CARS WHERE THEY CAN

WALK SAFELY AND WHERE EVERYBODY IS KIND OF OPERATING FROM THE SAME RULEBOOK. I AM SURE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THE NEW CROSSING LIGHTS

IN FRONT OF THE TOWN SQUARE AND POTENTIAL HOTEL SEBASTOPOL, AND THEY KIND OF LOOK LIKE A TRAIN CROSSING WITH ALL THE SPLINTERS.

THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OVERKILL, BUT I AM NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT I THINK EDUCATION WOULD GO A LONG WAY FOR OUR PRE16-YEAR-OLDS WHO HAVE NOT HAD FORMAL TRAFFIC SCHOOL.

I JUST WANT TO ADD A QUICK FOLLOW-UP AS FAR AS, LIKE, WALK ABILITY AND TRAFFIC WE HAVE THE HIGHWAYS AND EVERYTHING IS COMPLICATED.

THIS COULD COME UP AGAIN. IT WILL COME UP AGAIN. HAVE YOU THOUGHT

ABOUT HOW YOU MIGHT EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT HOW YOU, WHAT

WORKS, WHAT DOESN'T, AND WHAT ARE NEW THEORIES OF HOW WE CAN MAKE THESE THINGS A REALITY?
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I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO FORMAL TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, I DO KNOW SOME TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. I HAVE LIVED IN SOME AMAZING COMMUNITIES AS FAR AS WALK ABILITY AND BIKING THOUGH. I WAS LOOKING TO GO TO

SCHOOL IN BOULDER, COLORADO, WHICH IS LIKE PORTLAND OR DAVIS-- A USED TO LIVE THERE. I SEE COUNCILMEMBER MAURER 'S HAND A. WE HAVE THREE MINUTES.

SORRY.

I WOULD HAVE TO LEARN ABOUT THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF IT, BUT I KNOW THERE ARE SOLUTIONS OUT THERE, BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THEM. AND

ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO KEEP TRAFFIC FLOWING, AND BIKES IN LANES

AND WIDE WELCOMING SIDEWALKS WHERE EVERYONE CAN GET TO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO LET'S DO IT.

COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?

EARLIER YOU SAID NOT DEVELOPING WAS ONE OF THE WEAKNESSES OF OUR TOWN. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, NOT INCLUDING THE TWO

HOTELS, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR TOP DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN TOWN?
I THOUGHT THE CANOPY WAS GREAT. I THOUGHT THE LOCATION WAS

AMAZING BEYOND THE BIKE PATH ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT WAS FAIRLY

TALL AND FAIRLY DENSE FOR THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL, BUT LOCATING IT

NEXT TO EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT FIT THE ENVELOPE I THOUGHT WAS A REALLY ELEGANT SOLUTION. I THOUGHT THE DEVELOPER CITY VENTURES DID A GREAT JOB OF CREATING 100% ELECTRIC PLATINUM OR

LEED GOLD DEVELOPMENT THAT FIT INTO THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL AND

COULD CREATE HOUSING IN A WAY THAT WORKED FOR FAMILIES FITS THE

NATURE OF THE TOWN AND WILL COME IN LOWER THAN WHAT I BELIEVE THE CURRENT HOUSING RATE IN SEBASTOPOL IS. I THINK THE
DEVELOPMENT GOING INTO THE MASONIC CENTER IS EXCITING. I SEE THE

SIGNS IN THE CHAIN-LINK FENCE FOR SMALL DEVELOPMENTS, I GUESS OFF OF THE HIGHWAY AT 7-ELEVEN I THINK THAT LOOKS REALLY COOL. SO

PROJECTS LIKE THAT THAT ARE IN FIELD WHERE YOU CAN DO SOMETHING

WITHOUT CREATING, WITHOUT KNOCKING DOWN A BUNCH OF TREES OR STRETCHING CITY LIMITS. WE HAVE COMMUNITY OR SEPARATOR LAWS, SO WE WON'T SPREAD OUT ALL THE WAY TO THE PARK. BUT THESE PROJECTS

WHERE YOU CAN CREATE MORE DENSITY THAN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES

WITHOUT THE FULL SEND OF APARTMENT I THINK THAT IS THE SWEET SPOT FOR SEBASTOPOL.

GREAT. I THINK WE ARE AT TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND DOING APPLICATION AND FOR YOUR TIME HERE TODAY.

A PLEASURE.

I WILL DO A TIME CHECK. IT'S 7:15. WOULD WE LIKE A SHORT BREAK BEFORE WE GO INTO DELIBERATIONS?
FIVE MINUTES. I'M HEARING FIVE MINUTES.

FIVE MINUTES IT IS.
[ THE EVENT IS ON A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS. CAPTIONER ON STANBY. ]

OKAY, SO I THINK WE ARE ABOUT TWO MINUTES AWAY FROM RESUMING IF EVERYONE COULD HAVE THEIR SEATS. AND I THINK WE ARE ABOUT TWO MINUTES OUT. WE ARE DOING A TECH CHECK. WILL WE BE GOOD IN TWO MINUTES? ALL RIGHT, THAT WAS FIVE MINUTES, SO WE ARE VISITING AND MOVING ON-- WE ARE MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM 2 WHICH IS THE Agenda Item Number: 3
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PLANNING COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS, BUT I WILL TURN TO THE CITY

ATTORNEY TO WALK US THROUGH LEGALLY HOW WE DO THIS IN THE MOST EFFICIENTLY. ALEX?
IN A MOMENT I WILL SUGGEST YOU OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ONCE

YOU RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO LIBERATE AMONGST YOURSELVES THE

ONE THING I WOULD POINT OUT IS CODE REQUIRES AT LEAST THREE

MEMBERS OF THE UM-- COMMISSION TO BE RESIDENTS, SO AT LEAST ONE

PERSON NEEDS TO BE A RESIDENT APPOINTED, BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS QUALIFIED AND WOULD FIT IN TO ONE OF THE CATEGORIES ALLOWED.

GREAT THANK YOU ALEX. TURNING TO MARY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT, TWO MINUTE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM FOR PLANNING COMMISSION. WE DO IN CHAMBERS

FIRST, THEN I GO TO ZOOM, THEN CHAMBERS, THEN ZOOM IT IF THERE IS

ANYONE IN THE CHAMBER THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MISSION APPOINTMENTS. NONE I AM SEEING. ZOOM? ROBIN? LINDA? CAN YOU UNMUTE YOUR SELF PLEASE?

I THOUGHT THIS WAS OPEN COMMENT, SO--

PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANYTHING NOT ON THE AGENDA WILL BE AFTER THE APPOINTMENTS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU. KYLE CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE?
YES I CAN.

CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
YES I CAN.

GO AHEAD PLEASE.

I AM CURIOUS IF WE CAN GET A MORE UPDATE THIS WILL BE CURRENT

PRACTICE MOVING FORWARD TO RATHER THAN HOLDING A CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT WOULD BEGIN AT 5:30 TO BE HANDLING THINGS LIKE

INTERVIEWS OF PLANNING COMMISSION UM-- AND THAT WE ARE MOVING INTO A SPACE WHERE THESE TYPES OF THINGS WILL HAPPEN AT 6:00 P.M. UM- - THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT WHO HAVE COME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. IT

HAS ALSO BEEN PAST PRACTICE COUNCIL CONSIDER THAT AND MAKE

ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR SCHEDULING TO ACCOMMODATE FOR LARGE GROUPS

OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I AM NOT

SURPRISED THAT THAT HAPPENED TONIGHT, BUT I'M SURPRISED WE DECIDED TO START THE MEETING AT 6:00 P.M. WHEN YOU HAVE THESE APPOINTMENTS TO BE DONE WHICH HISTORICALLY WOULD BE DONE AT 5:30.

UM-- SO I DON'T NEED TO COMMENT NOW NOT THAT I EXPECT COMMENTS AS

A RESPONSE TO PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THIS COUNCIL UM-- BUT I THINK IT

IS SOMETHING I HOPE YOU CAN CONSIDER AND MAYBE ADJUSTMENTS FOR IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU KYLE FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. SEEING NONE. I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM IF THERE IS

ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE

PLANNING COMMISSION APPOINTMENT PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND
VIRTUALLY. SEEING NONE. PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

THANK YOU ALEX FOR YOUR PRIOR COMMENTS. MARY YOU HAVE BEEN

THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE DO YOU HAVE A PROCESS SHOULD WE GO THROUGH THE NAMES? WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION?
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BASICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE PAST IS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE STATED WHO THEIR PREFERENCES ARE.

ALL RIGHT, SHALL WE ALL DO THAT TONIGHT THEN? JUST GO DOWN THE LINE? SHOULD I TURN TO MY RIGHT FIRST THEN LEFT? OKAY,
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?

ALSO IN LIGHT OF THAT WE NEED A RESIDENT UM-- AND SO WE HAVE THREE

APPLICANTS THAT ARE RESIDENTS, AND WE HAVE TWO RESIDENTS FALLING

UNDER BUSINESS OWNER IN SCHOOL DISTRICT-- JUST-- WAIT-- SANDY IS CORRECTING ME HERE.

OKAY, FOUR RESIDENTS. BUT WE COULD.

CAN I CLARIFY THE OTHER ONE, DO WE HAVE TO FILL IT FROM OUTSIDE

CITY LIMITS BUT WITHIN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ARE WE FEELING THE SAME

WHERE WE COULD FILL THAT WITH--

IT'S AN OPTION TO FILL IT WITH SOMEONE OUTSIDE THE CITY, BUT YOU CAN FILL IT WITH A RESIDENT.

OKAY THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. UM--
ACTUALLY I THINK I AM MISTAKEN I THINK THERE IS THREE FROM TOWN.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

YEAH, THREE FROM TOWN. KEN--
YOU LIVE INSIDE CITY LIMITS, SO THERE IS FOUR.

OKAY SORRY. LOGISTICS. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GO FIRST, TOO.

THANKS, STEPHEN.

DIPLOMAT HERE.

SO, I'VE GOT TO SAY THE TWO THAT STOOD OUT FOR ME AND ACTUALLY I HAVE THREE THAT STAND OUT FOR ME. I WILL JUST START WITH THAT FOR DISCUSSION. BREANNA, I REALLY LIKED HER ENERGY. IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO

GO FIRST, AND SHE HAS A BUSINESS IN TOWN, SO I THINK I LIKE THAT UM-- I LIKE KENNA, WHO HAS SERVED ON HER CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE. SHE IS A RESIDENT. AND THEN I LIKE ALEX UM-- I LIKED THAT WE HAVE AT WITH

WHO MAKES UP THE CURRENT COMMISSION I THINK PEOPLE THAT ARE

ADVOCATING FOR UM-- YOU KNOW, YOUNG FAMILIES, I AGREE, THAT REALLY STRUCK ME. AND SO THOSE ARE MY THREE FAVORITES. I KNOW WE HAVE TO GET DOWN TO TWO. BUT I WILL THROW OUT THOSE THREE NAMES SINCE I AM GOING FIRST.

WE WILL GET ON THE LINE-- GO DOWN THE LINE-- PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF

HER EXPERIENCE IN THE AREA BY HER LEGAL EXPERIENCE TRUST WORK I AM VERY INTERESTED IN THAT. IT'S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAT WE

HAVE NOT HEARD FROM BEFORE THAT I AM AWARE OF, AND MY SECOND ONE IS JOAN HARPER. THAT IS BECAUSE SHE ACTUALLY DOES HAVE DIRECT

EXPERIENCE MANY MANY YEARS SPECIFICALLY IN THIS AREA, AND I THINK

HER PERSPECTIVE BEING NEW INTO THE COMMUNITY, BUT YET HAVING DEEP ROOTS IN THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMISSION. WE WILL GO DOWN THERE, COUNCILMEMBER CARTER NEXT.

ALL RIGHT. SO, EACH OF THE APPLICANTS WOULD WIN IN MY BOOK. IT WILL

BE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO PARSE OUT WHY THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN

BENEFITS THAT THEY ADD ESPECIALLY ENERGY, AND I LOVE TO SEE SOME

YOUNGER PEOPLE ON HERE, BUT JONES' EXPERIENCE, AND THE LEGAL EXPERIENCE OF ROBIN IS INCREDIBLE. ALL OF IT WOULD BE GREAT. SO I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER ANYTHING. JUST KIDDING. I AM JUST KIDDING. WE HAVE KENNA ON ONE BOARD. AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE HER ON ONE, I'M Agenda Item Number: 3
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GOING TO SAY MAYBE NOT THAT. AND BREANNA UM-- I WOULD LOVE TO

HAVE YOU ON THERE, BUT UM-- JUST YOU KNOW, PLEASE NEXT TIME

PLEASE-- UM-- BUT I'M GOING TO PAY ALEX AND JOAN , BECAUSE SHE HAS

PLANNING EXPERIENCE, ALEX HAS GOT TONS OF ENERGY WITH SOME OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT DEVELOPING. BUT, COME BACK. ALL RIGHT?
COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?

I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS VERY PAINFUL TO FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO CHOOSE TWO PEOPLE. I HAVE A QUESTION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION USED TO BE FOUR- - I MEAN SEVEN. AND, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GO BACK TO SEVEN PEOPLE? OR BRING THAT BACK TO HOW WE HAD A SEVEN-PERSON BOARD?

WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE MUNICIPAL CODE, BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS, IT'S POSSIBLE.

I AM BRINGING THAT UP FOR POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION. TO AMEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM FIVE PEOPLE TO SEVEN.

I JUST THINK EVERYONE WAS GREAT, AND IT'S LIKE I SAID EARLIER JUST KIND OF PAINFUL TO HAVE TO CHOOSE TWO PEOPLE. UM-- I JUST THOUGHT YOU ALL WERE GREAT, SO I DON'T WANT TO CHOOSE EITHER. LIKE PHIL SAID, DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE [ LAUGHTER ] I LIKE THINGS ABOUT EACH ONE OF YOU. SO-- I JUST CAN'T CHOOSE RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE

FROM YOU ALL ABOUT WHY YOU WOULD CHOOSE ONE PERSON OVER THE OTHER, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP ME.

MAYOR? CAN I--
SORRY, VICE MAYOR.

IS IT OKAY TO GO AHEAD?
OH, YES, SORRY.

UM-- FIRST OF ALL WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE APPLYING THIS TIME AND SO QUALIFIED. UM-- BUT SINCE WE HAD TO

CHOOSE, PERSONALLY, I WOULD RECOMMEND ALEX, ALEX KANZLER, AND BREANNA CHRISTIANSEN , AS MY TOP TWO. I ALSO AM REALLY-- I THINK CANO WOULD DO GREAT. I JUST KNOW SHE IS ALREADY ON A COMMITTEE,

AND I WELCOME IN THE IDEA OF BRINGING IN NEW COMMUNITY MEMBERS

INTO CITY BUSINESS, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE NEW PERSPECTIVE. I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR BREANNA AND ALEX.

OKAY THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
I WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THE SEVEN VERSUS FIVE. I MEAN IT'S ALWAYS PAINFUL TO SIT UP HERE AND VOTE. I, WE DON'T LIKE IT, AND WE RUN FOR

OFFICE, SO WE KNOW HOW IT FEELS UM-- BUT, OUR OWN EXISTING

PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ASKED US TO KEEP IN AT FIVE FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS. EVEN THAT WE HAVE GREAT APPLICANTS THIS TIME I AM NOT WILLING TO OPEN THE DISCUSSION TO GO TO SEVEN. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY

YES TO EVERYBODY, BUT UM-- THERE IS ALWAYS SPOTS OPEN UM-- INCLUDING FOR COUNCIL JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. SO ANYWAY JUST,

AGAIN SINCE MY COLLEAGUES I THINK WE HAVE THREE FOR ALEX OR-- VICE

WAIT THAT WAY, AND BREANNA, SO I THINK I WILL STICK WITH THOSE TWO SINCE I ONLY HEARD KENNA'S NAME COME UP ONCE. THOSE WILL BE MY SOLID VOTES FOR TONIGHT.

ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION BEFORE-- GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER MAURER.

I WOULD LIKE TO RETURN PEOPLE'S CHOICES AND LOOK HOW MANY VOTES PER PERSON, SO-- UM-- STEPHEN WAS ROBIN AND JOAN. AND WAS ALEX AND BREANNA. AND NEYSA WAS BREANNA, KENNA, ALEX.

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I AM GOING WITH AND BREANNA AT THIS TIME SINCE CANNOT ONLY--

BASICALLY I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO BROUGHT HER NAME UP, SO I WILL SWAY TO THE OTHER TWO SINCE THAT IS WHERE THE VOTES LAY.

YOU SHOULD SEE HOW AWESOME THIS MATRIX IS THAT SHE IS BUILDING [ LAUGHTER ]
I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE VOTES ARE RIGHT NOW. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. LEANNA HAS TWO, ROBIN HAS ONE, KENNA HAS TWO, JOAN HAS TWO, ALEX HAS THREE. SO RIGHT NOW-- SORRY. YES. NEITHER ONE. IT

WOULD BE BREANNA FOR TWO UM-- ROBIN IS ONE , JOAN IS TWO, ALEX IS THREE. AND THEY DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING FROM COUNCILMEMBER MAURER YET.

NO STRESS. LET HER HAVE A CHANCE TO THINK. WE NEED TO MOVE THINGS ALONG HERE. COUNCILMEMBER MAURER ?
I GUESS THERE IS A TIE BETWEEN BREANNA AND JOAN. AND, UM-- I GUESS BECAUSE OF HER EXPERIENCE I WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH JOAN AND ALEX.

AND I AM SORRY, YEAH. AND THERE ARE PROBABLY UPCOMING BOARDS THAT CAN BE APPLIED FOR IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, TOO. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR INTEREST IN THESE POSITIONS.

IS THERE A MOTION?

WE NEED TO CLARIFY WHICH POSITION, BECAUSE THERE IS TWO TERM

ENDING DATES YOU NEED TO FILL OUT THE CURRENT TERMS FOR RESIGNATIONS, SO ONE IS DECEMBER, 2027, ONE IS DECEMBER 2026.

I'M VOTING FOR, MAY I SPEAK?
SURE, VICE MAYOR.

PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALEX FILBY 2027 ROLE. AND THEN--

I WILL THROW IN I WOULD PREFER THE REVERSE, BECAUSE OF JOHN'S

EXPERIENCE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HER THERE ON THE COMMISSION FOR AS LONG AS WE CAN HAVE HER.

THAT IS ALSO OKAY WITH ME.

THAT IS OKAY WITH ME TOO.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?

I WILL WAY AND THAT HE SHOULD FILL THE LONGER-TERM SINCE HE GOT MORE VOTES. JUST IN FAIRNESS, AND JOAN SHOULD FILL THE SHORTER TERM.

I THINK HE ACTUALLY GOT THE SAME NUMBER OF VOTES, THREE AND THREE.

OH, YOU ARE RIGHT. HE DID.

HE GOT MORE. IT'S OKAY.

I WILL JUST NOTE IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH HOW THEY ARE PERFORMING TO REAPPOINT EITHER OF THESE CANDIDATES TO THE POSITION.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT OUT. SO, IS THERE A MOTION? OR, MARY? ALEX WOULD BE IN THE 2027 AND JOAN WOULD BE IN THE 2026 TERM ENDING DATES?
I AM GOOD TO MAKE THAT MOTION IF YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT. I THINK I DID SAY-- I DID SEE COUNCILMEMBER HINTON 'S HAND FIRST.

WE NEED THE LIGHT.

I AM DOING MY BEST.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT WE HAVE ALEX PHIL SETH HANLEY'S OPEN POSITION THROUGH 2027 AND THAT JOAN FILLS KATHY UNSURE'S POSITION THAT THE TERM ENDS 12-21-2026.

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SO MOVED BY COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER

CARTER TO APPOINT ALEX, ALEX KANZLER TO THE OPEN POSITION ENDING 12-31-2027. AND JOAN HARPER WITH A TERM ENDING 12-31-2026. [ ROLL BEING CALLED ]. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND CITY STAFF WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH Y'ALL.

GREAT THANK YOU. MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO THE PROCLAMATIONS AND

PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT WE HAVE THREE, AND I WILL READ THE FIRST

ONE, WHICH IS A PROCLAMATION FOR WHILE I AM DOING THAT IF SOMEONE

WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A READING OF THE PROCLAMATION FOR CHILD

CANCER AWARENESS-- THANK YOU-- I WILL GO AHEAD AND I WILL READ THE RECOGNIZING THE WEEK WITHOUT DRIVING IF WE CAN SEPTEMBER 29 THROUGH OCTOBER 5th WHEREAS TRANSPORTATION IS ESSENTIAL FOR

CONNECTING PEOPLE TO JOBS SCHOOLS HEALTHCARE AND COMMUNITY

LIFE AND WHEREAS EXPERIENCING DAILY LIFE WITHOUT DRIVING CAN HELP

LEADERS BETTER UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS FACED BY

NON-DRIVERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WHEREAS THIS EFFORT ALIGNS

WITH THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL'S GOALS OF REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS

ADMISSIONS IMPROVING PUBLIC HEALTH AND ENHANCING SEBASTOPOL AS

A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE THAT VALUES COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELL

BEING THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED I MAYOR ZOLLMAN DO PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 29th THROUGH OCTOBER 5th AS THE WEEK WITHOUT DRIVING IN

THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL ENCOURAGES ELECTED OFFICIALS COMMUNITY

LEADERS AND RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CHALLENGE TO

EXPERIENCED TRANSPORTATION IN NEW WAYS AND WORK TOWARD A MORE INCLUSIVE AND ACCESSIBLE FOR ALL FUTURE. MY HAND ON THE GREAT CITY OF THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL. I WAS WORKING WITH A

REPRESENTATIVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS HERE TONIGHT TO ACCEPT

THE PROCLAMATION UM-- NOT SEEING ONE BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE WE

GET THIS TO HIM, SO ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES WAS READING THE NEXT PROCLAMATION FOR POLLUTION PREVENTION WEEK.

I HAVE THAT. THIS IS POLLUTION PREVENTION WEEK SEPTEMBER 15th THROUGH THE 21st AND CREEK WEEK SEPTEMBER 28 IS RECOGNIZED AS NATIONAL POLLUTION PREVENTION WEEK. AND WHEREAS THROUGHOUT

MUCH OF CALIFORNIA INCLUDING THE RUSSIAN RIVER WATERSHED CITIES

COUNTIES AND OTHER STEWARDSHIP ORGANIZATIONS ARE RECOGNIZING

THE FOURTH WEEK OF SEPTEMBER AS CREEK WEEK AND WHEREAS OUR

POLLUTION AWARENESS PRACTICES ARE LINKED TO THE HEALTH OF OUR

WATERSHED LANDS AND WATERWAYS AND WHEREAS THE RUSSIAN WATER

ASSOCIATION RIVER SHOULD REDUCE POLLUTION INCREASE THE

ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY OF OUR WATERSHED, AND PROVIDE OUR

COMMUNITIES WITH THE KNOWLEDGE TO BE EFFECTIVE STEWARDS OF THE RUSSIAN RIVER WATERSHED LANDS AND WATERWAYS. WHEREAS THE NEARLY 1500 SQUARE MILES 150 CREEKS AND APPROXIMATELY 360,000

RESIDENTS OF THE RUSSIAN RIVER WATERSHED ARE CONNECTED AND

MUTUALLY SUPPORT EACH OTHER, AND WHEREAS RUSSIAN RIVER ALONG

WITH ITS TRIBUTARIES AND ASSOCIATED FEATURES ARE IMPORTANT

RESOURCES TO THE CITY OF SONOMA AND MENDOCINO COUNTIES, AND

WHEREAS POLLUTION IN THE FORM OF TRASH AND DEBRIS, CHEMICALS

FROM INDUSTRY, AND EVERY DAY LIVING, AND SEDIMENT FROM

CONSTRUCTION, AND MANY LAND USES AND ACTIVITIES ALL HAVE THE Agenda Item Number: 3
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POTENTIAL TO DEGRADE THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE QUALITY OF

RESOURCES WITHIN THE RUSSIAN RIVER WATERSHED, AND WHEREAS THE

RUSSIAN RIVER WATERSHED ASSOCIATION STRIVES TO PROTECT

WATERWAYS THROUGH ONGOING POLLUTION PREVENTION OUTREACH

WHICH AIMS TO RAISE AWARENESS OF THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF

POLLUTANTS TO OUR NATURAL SYSTEMS, AND WHEREAS DURING

POLLUTION PREVENTION WEEK AND CREEK WEEK CREEK RIVER AND OCEAN

CLEANUP CAMPAIGNS WILL TAKE PLACE THROUGHOUT SONOMA AND MENDOCINO COUNTIES. THAT GOOD?
I THINK THAT THAT IS GOOD. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MAURER.

THERE IS NO ONE HERE TO ACCEPT THAT PROCLAMATION--

WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS HERE TO ACCEPT--
THANK YOU I'M GLAD I CHECKED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ERIC. THANK YOU. NOW TURNING TO COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.

PROCLAIMING SEPTEMBER AS CHILDHOOD CANCER AWARENESS MONTH.

WHEREAS CHILDHOOD CANCER IS A LEADING DEATH WHEREAS ONE IN 285 CHILDREN IN THE UNITED STATES WILL BE DIAGNOSED BY THEIR 20th BIRTHDAY AND WHEREAS 46 CHILDREN PER DAY OR 16,790 CHILDREN PER YEAR ARE DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER IN THE U.S. AND WHEREAS THE AVERAGE AGE OF DIAGNOSIS IS 6 YEARS OLD AND WHEREAS 80% OF

CHILDHOOD CANCER PATIENTS ARE DIAGNOSED LATE WITH METASTATIC

DISEASE AND WHEREAS TWO THIRDS OF CHILDHOOD CANCER PATIENTS

WILL HAVE CHRONIC HEALTH CONDITIONS AS A RESULT OF THEIR

TREATMENT TOXICITY WITH ONE QUARTER BEING CLASSIFIED AS SEVERE TO LIFE-THREATENING AND WHEREAS IN THE LAST 30 YEARS ONLY 60 DRUGS

HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE FDA TO SPECIFICALLY TREAT CHILDHOOD

CANCER, AND WHEREAS THE NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE RECOGNIZES

THE UNIQUE RESEARCH NEEDS OF CHILDHOOD CANCER AND THE

ASSOCIATED NEED FOR INCREASED FUNDING TO CARRY THIS OUT, AND

WHEREAS HUNDREDS OF NONPROFIT POSITIONS AT THE LOCAL AND

NATIONAL LEVEL ARE HELPING CHILDREN WITH CANCER AND THEIR

FINANCES AND THEIR FAMILIES CUPPED HER EDUCATIONAL EMOTIONAL

AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT AND WHEREAS RESEARCHERS AND HEALTHCARE

PROFESSIONALS WORK DIGITALLY-- DILIGENTLY DEDICATING THEIR

EXPERTISE TO TREAT AND CURE CHILDHOOD CANCER NOW THEREFORE BE

PROCLAIMED THAT OUR MAYOR, MAYOR ZOLLMAN, HERE BY PROCLAIM

SEPTEMBER AS CHILDHOOD CANCER AWARENESS MONTH AND SUPPORT

THIS CAUSE THAT THE DEEPLY IMPACTS FAMILIES IN EVERY COMMUNITY

ACROSS OUR COUNTRY IN WITNESS WHEREOF I HAVE HEREUNTO MAYOR

ZOLLMAN HAS SET HIS HAND AND THE GREAT SEAL OF THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL THIS DAY 'S SEPTEMBER 16, 2025.

WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE RECIPIENT OF THAT IS ABLE. WE WILL MOVE TO STATEMENTS OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST. LOOKING TO MY RIGHT TO SEE IF THERE ARE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, SEEING NONE. VICE MAYOR? CONFLICTS OF INTEREST NONE. WE ARE MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. AND YES I DID TAKE NOTE FROM ONE OF

THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE I PERSONALLY

KNEW THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. I CAN JUST SAY IT IS A TOUGH BALANCING ACT, BECAUSE

WE HAD MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WERE COMING IN TO DO
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INTERVIEWS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT I

DEFINITELY WANT TO SHOW OF HANDS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE, AND I

WOULD IMAGINE BASED UPON WHO I SAW LAST NIGHT THAT THEY WOULD

BE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE WIDMARK, SO SHOW OF HANDS WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THE WOOD MARK PROJECT? SEEING THOSE. I AM TURNING TO MY

COLLEAGUES IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO GO BEYOND THE TWO MINUTES EACH MEANING THE FACT WE WOULD GO FROM 20 TO AT LEAST 30

MINUTES TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA. I AM LOOKING TO MY RIGHT, I'M LOOKING TO MY LEFT--

DOES THAT MEAN CAN WE SHORTEN THE END OF THE MEETING IF WE EXTEND AT THIS POINT?

I TURNED TO ALEX--
MR. CITY ATTORNEY?

SAYS YOU CAN EXTEND IT NORMALLY UP THIS

THANKS FOR--

I WAS GOING TO ASK I KNOW WE HAD HANDS HERE CAN WE ALSO GET A

SHOW OF HANDS ON ZOOM FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? SO I HAVE TWO OKAY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE INCORPORATE ZOOM AND IN-PERSON.

THANK YOU I WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK IS EVERYONE OKAY BY EXTENDING THIS PERIOD FOR 10 MINUTES TO HEAR FROM PUBLIC COMMENTERS FOR TWO MINUTES APIECE? I AM SEEING YES. AND I AM DEFINITELY FINE. SO MARY, PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA?
THANK YOU. AS THE MAYOR STATED THIS IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. IT HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO 30 MINUTE TIME LIMIT. IT IS TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND AGAIN WE WILL GO TO

CHAMBERS FIRST OUT TO ZOOM BACK TO CHAMBER
TO ZOOM FOR TWO MINUTES, I PUT -- THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 15 SPEAKERS.

ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? GO AHEAD UP TO THE PODIUM.

SORRY THIS IS MY FIRST TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME MY NAME IS MELISSA PAGE I AM A SINGLE PARENT OF A 9-YEAR-OLD AND A TENANT AT WOOD MARK AND CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE DISPLACEMENT OF 40 FAMILIES AT WOOD MARK. AND TO ASK

THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL ENACT LOCAL ORDINANCES TO PREVENT DISPLACEMENT OF LOW INCOME FAMILIES AND ESSENTIAL WORKERS.

CONCORD PASSED A JUST CAUSE ORDINANCE SANTA ROSA HAS RELOCATION

ASSISTANCE ROLLS BERKELEY AND SAN FRANCISCO HAVE LONG-STANDING PROTECTIONS. THESE MEASURES WERE IMPOSED BY THE STATE THEY WERE

CHOICES MADE BY LOCAL LEADERS LIKE YOURSELVES WHO RECOGNIZED THAT HOUSING STABILITY IS FUNDAMENTAL TO COMMUNITY WELL-BEING. I BELIEVE THIS IS WITHIN YOUR POWER TO DO AS WELL. WOOD MARK

REPRESENTS SOME OF THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION OF RESIDENTS THAT SEBASTOPOL HAS. SINGLE-PARENT SENIORS AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. WOMEN ESCAPING VIOLENCE AND SENIORS TRYING TO MAINTAIN THEIR INDEPENDENCE. IF WE CAN BE PUSHED OUT BY WOOD

MARK WITHOUT OPPOSITION THEN WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND TO THE REST OF SEBASTOPOL? AND HOW DO YOU PLAN TO HOLD WOOD MARK ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS INJUSTICE? I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT

SEBASTOPOL MOVE QUICKLY TO DRAFT AND ADOPT MUNICIPAL CODE THAT Agenda Item Number: 3
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PREVENTS MASS ON RENEWAL OF LEASES WITHOUT JUST CAUSE, REQUIRES

RELOCATION ASSISTANCE WHEN TENANTS ARE DISPLACED AND SETS CLEAR PROTECTIONS THAT ALIGN WITH SEBASTOPOL'S COMMUNITY VALUES.

YOU HAVE ABOUT 20 SECONDS.

STABLE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING HELPS ALL OF US. LOW INCOME OR NOT. PLEASE CHOOSE ACTION AND HELP US HELP OUR CHILDREN, SENIORS,

AND NEIGHBORS, CONTINUE TO HAVE A HOME WHERE WE FEEL SAFE AND AT HOME, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.

I WILL JUST INTERJECT WE HAVE LOTS OF FEELINGS ABOUT THIS, AND I AM APPRECIATIVE OF HEARING EVERYONE. TO ORDERLY TO PUBLIC COMMENT

IF WE CAN REFRAIN ON THE ACTUAL DEMONSTRATION OF THOSE FEELINGS THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR ZOLLMAN. LINDA, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF? THANK YOU, CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
YES I FEEL SO PETTY I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WOOD MARK. SO I WILL GET SHORT STATEMENT SO THAT MORE PEOPLE CAN SPEAK ON WOOD MARK. I

WAS SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO ALLOWING PAY PARKING TO EVER EXIST AT THE OLD RITE AID BUILDING. I'M HOPING WHOEVER RENTS ARE BUYS THE

BUILDING AND WILL PUT A NEW BUSINESS IN IT AND OFFER US FREE PARKING. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU LINDA FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK

INTO CHAMBERS IF THERE IS SOMEONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO STEP UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

I AM REALLY NERVOUS. HI THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO YOUR RESIDENTS OF SEBASTOPOL. I AM ALSO PART OF OVER 40 FAMILIES

BEING DISPLACED DO TO CORPORATE GREED, MISREPRESENTATION, FRAUD

AMONG SEVERAL VIOLATIONS WITHIN UM-- STATE AND LOCAL
PROTECTIONS FOR US VICTIMS. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE PROTECTIONS.

RESIDENTS NEED TO BE ABLE WHEN THERE ARE LOOPHOLES SUCH AS SB 35

THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE OVERSIGHT WITHIN THE CITY TO PROTECT RESIDENTS. RESTITUTION FOR VICTIMS ON BAD FAITH-BASED EVICTIONS ARE NECESSARY. THEY ARE FRAUDULENTLY OBTAINING MONEY FROM RENT,

SECURITY DEPOSITS, AND TO ONLY ACCOUNTING FOR MAYBE TWO MONTHS WORTH OF RENT. THAT WILL BE EXHAUSTED BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF

HOUSING IN SONOMA COUNTY, BUT THE UNREALISTIC COSTS OF HOUSING FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES IN SEBASTOPOL. WE HAVE

CHILDREN THAT ARE GOING TO BE UPROOTED OR PUSHED OUT OF SONOMA COUNTY-- WE ARE BREAKING PROMISES. I AM BREAKING A PROMISE TO MY SON THAT WE WOULD NOT FALL INTO HOMELESSNESS AGAIN.

YOU HAVE ABOUT 20 SECONDS.

WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO MOVE BACK IN. THERE SHOULD BE
EMERGENCY HOUSING IN LACE SO THIS DOES NOT OCCUR AGAIN. BUT MORE

PROTECTIONS FOR RESIDENTS, BECAUSE OF DAMAGE DOES NOT HAVE A PRICE. MY MENTAL HEALTH HAS DETERIORATED EVEN MORE, AND I HAVE LOST THE PROGRESS THAT I HAVE SO COURAGEOUSLY WORKED TOWARDS.

THAT IS TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. KYLE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE?
I CAN.

CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
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YES I CAN.

GO AHEAD PLEASE.

SO TO READ THE PRESS DEMOCRAT ARTICLE WHERE CITY COUNCIL ARE

REPRESENTED THE CITY WEBSITE IS BEING REPRESENTED STATING THAT

THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY, OR THAT THEY HAVE NO UM-- THAT THIS ISN'T

THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS REALLY DISHEARTENING TO HEAR UM-- IT REALLY

JUST SPEAKS TO SOME OF THE NATURE THAT I FEEL FROM THIS CITY

GOVERNMENT FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IN WHICH UM-- THERE IS AN

US VERSUS THEM SCENARIO, AND WE ARE CHOOSING NOT TO ALIGN

OURSELVES WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VULNERABLE AND LOSING THEIR HOMES. THESE ARE OUR PEOPLE. AGAIN NOT THOSE PEOPLE. SB 35 HUMAN TO PLAY WITH WOOD MARK FOR ONE VERY SPECIFIC REASON. THE

CITY OF SEBASTOPOL FAILED, FAILED TO PRODUCE LOW INCOME HOUSING

THAT MET THE STATE NEEDS AND AS A RESULT WE MARK WAS ABLE TO USE SB 35. IN ADDITION THE CITY FAILED TO HAVE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THAT

FAILURE TO HAVE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS IS THE REASON WHY WOOD MARK

WAS ABLE TO STEAMROLL THE CITY AND NOT HAVE THE CITY PARTICIPATE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT. FOLLOWING THAT THE CITY-- NEW QUITE WELL

PREVIOUSLY THAT WOOD MARK WAS FAILING TO PROVIDE THE

FARMWORKER HOUSING THAT WAS MANDATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THE CITY DID NOTHING. IN FACT THE CITY PUSHED FOR THOSE FOR THAT TO BE FILLED WITH LOW INCOME HOUSING, AND HERE WE ARE TODAY. TO

STATE THE CITY HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE RESPONSIBILITY. AND HERE IS THE RAMIFICATIONS OF FAILING TO MEET THE RESPONSIBILITY. YOU NEED TO FIX THIS FOR THE FUTURE. YOU CANNOT LET SOMEONE DO THIS AGAIN. YOU NEED TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT

MANDATES WHAT RESIDENTS WILL RECEIVE WHEN THEY GET EVICTED IN THIS FASHION.

THANK YOU KYLE FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL COME BACK INTO

ZOOM IF THERE IS ANYONE-- IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM.

AT EVENING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SORRY ABOUT MY APPEARANCE I JUST CAME FROM A GAME TONIGHT. SO HERE I AM. I'M GOING TO READ FROM MY PHONE HERE SO I CAN STAY FOCUSED. I WILL STAND HERE IN MY SOFTBALL UNIFORM. I CAME FROM MY TEAM OF 12 YEARS I LOVE I CAN HAVE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY WITH THEM FOR THIS LONG. I AM

MISSING A BIRTHDAY PARTY AT IVES, BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS IMPORTANT TO

BE HERE TONIGHT AND SAY PLEASE INTERVENE IN ANY WAY YOU FEEL YOU

CAN TO CORRECT THE TRAGIC DEVASTATION OF THE SITUATION THAT WE

ARE FACING UM-- THIS CRISIS WAS CAUSED BY CORPORATE HOUSING

DEVELOPER WHICH I KNOW YOU KNOW WHO MISLED THE COMMUNITY AND

MISLED FARMWORKERS, MISLED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND FALSELY CLAIMED TO BE DOING ITS DUE DILIGENCE. INSTEAD, THEY GREEDILY

RENTED UNITS TO STRUGGLING FAMILIES, ELDERLY, INDIVIDUALS DESPERATE TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

RESIDENTS OF WOOD MARK HERE TONIGHT WE ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS, WE

ARE NOT THE ACTORS WE ARE HARD-WORKING WE PAY TAXES FOR SEBASTOPOL . WE ARE PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS, SENIOR CITIZENS, CHILDREN. WE ARE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, UNFORTUNATELY

SURVIVORS OFASSAULT, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, SINGLE MOTHERS LIKE Agenda Item Number: 3
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MYSELF,-- PLEASE DO EVERYTHING WITHIN YOUR POWER WE ARE NOT

GOING TO STOP WE WILL CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THIS--
YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS. OKAY. WE HAVE CHILDREN WHO ATTEND OUR

LOCAL SCHOOLS WHO SIMPLY WANT A SAFE PLACE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT AND INVITE FRIENDS OVER TO DO HOMEWORK. AT LAST MAN'S LEGAL AID WE

WERE TOLD OUR CITY ATTORNEY UM-- IS NOW INVESTIGATING THIS UNJUST

SITUATION UM-- AND THAT TELLS US THAT THIS, THAT THERE IS SEVERITY HERE AT THAT TIME IS RUNNING OUT.

I AM SORRY THAT IS TWO MINUTES.

OKAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TO LISTEN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM IF

THERE IS ANYONE ON ZOOM WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR HANDS VIRTUALLY.

SEEING NONE I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS IF THERE IS ANYONE IN

CHAMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM.

AT EVENING MY NAME IS KATERINA I AM A RESIDENT OF WOOD MARK APARTMENTS. I AM A SINGLE MOTHER TO EIGHTH-GRADER 13-YEAR-OLD SON THAT'S ALSO IN MIDDLE SCHOOL. MY FAMILY STRUGGLED WITH HOUSING

FOR MANY YEARS STAYING IN UNSAVED TOXIC ABUSIVE SITUATION

BECAUSE OF LACK OF HOUSING WHICH EVENTUALLY WHICH ENDED AT SHELTER HOUSE IN SANTA ROSA WHERE WE SPENT SEVERAL MONTHS.

EVENTUALLY WE WERE ABLE TO FIND APARTMENT THAT WAS AFFORDABLE PRICED JUST $763. 30% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME UM-- WE WERE AIR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR WHEN WE MARK APARTMENT OPENED UP. I WORK AT 7:00 A.M.

AT A RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY FOR WOMEN WITH DIAGNOSIS OF

MENTAL ISSUES AND ADDICTION, AND WHEN BUT OPEN I TOLD MY

CHILDREN BEING ABLE TO WALK TO HIGH SCHOOL I CAN FINALLY STEP ON

MY CAREER AND INCREASE MY INCOME I WAS AMBITIOUS THINKING I HAVE

STABILITY AND SIGNED UP FOR MASTER OF SOCIAL WORK PROGRAM THE

WOOD MARK KNEW THAT WE HAD A STABLE HOUSING YET ENCOURAGED US

TO MOVE IN TOLD US WE CAN STAY AS LONG AS WE QUALIFY BY INCOME

COMPLETELY MISLED AND BASICALLY SCAMMED US OUT OF OUR HOUSING,

SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO POSSIBLY BE ON THE STREET--
YOU HAVE ABOUT 15 SECONDS.

PLEADED TO THE CITY TO HELP US AND DON'T LET RESIDENTS OF WOOD MARK SUCCUMBED TO HOMELESSNESS. SEBASTOPOL WOULD PROTECT MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS THANK YOU.

IF THERE IS ANYONE ON ZOOM WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. SEEING NONE I WILL COME BACK INTO

CHAMBERS IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT THESE COME UP TO THE PODIUM.

HI MY NAME IS JENNY MY PARENTS ARE RESIDENTS AT WIDMARK. MY DAD IS 86 MY MOM IS IN HER 60s SHE WORKS FULL-TIME IN GETTING THIS

APARTMENT WAS A HUGE BOON FOR OUR FAMILY IT MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN OUR LIVES IT MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN MY DAD'S LIFE.

HE'S ISOLATED A LOT AT HOME. GETTING ON THE BUS IN TOWN WAS GREAT GETTING AROUND TO THE SENIOR CENTER AND LIBRARY WAS HUGE. FROM

SPEAKING TO OTHER WOOD MARK RESIDENTS THE TRICKLE-DOWN EFFECT

OF LOSING HOUSING WILL BE CATASTROPHIC AND I BELIEVE WE COME FROM Agenda Item Number: 3
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A CITY OF INTEGRITY. SO I JUST ASK YOU TO LIKE REALLY THINK ABOUT

THIS AND HELP US IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE WHAT THIS WILL DO TO PEOPLE

WHO LIVE HERE IS GOING TO BE CHAOS FOR THEIR LIVES, AND THIS WAS A

HUGE DEAL TO GET INTO THIS UNIT, AND WE WERE MISLED AND

MISINFORMED, AND I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABILITY, AND IT

SHOULD NOT FALL ON US TO HAVE TO FIND HOUSING RIGHT BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS, SO YEAH THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU JENNY FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL GO BACK TO ZOOM.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. SEEING NONE I WILL COME BACK INTO

CHAMBERS IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS PAUL PEPSI. I WISH I HAD THE STORIES I COULD

TELL YOU I LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME I AM FROM NEW YORK I SPENT MY

CAREER ALL OVER THE COUNTRY UM-- JOINED THE CHURCH IN SANTA ROSE SAID THOSE GENTLEMEN GUIDED ME HERE. SEBASTOPOL SINCE MIDJANUARY AND NEEDLESS TO SAY UM-- I HAD NO EXPECTATION FOR WHAT WAS TO OCCUR. I WROTE THIS TO THE MAYOR. IF I COULD, I WAS NOT PLANNING, BUT I WILL SHARE WHAT I WROTE TO YOU TODAY. AND WE HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION FOR THAT. I WANT TO EXPRESS MY SINCERE

GRATITUDE FOR KEEPING YOUR WORD FOR ATTENDING THE MONDAY

EVENING PRESENTATION WOOD MARK APARTMENTS VERBAL EVICTION TODAY SEPTEMBER 16th MARKS THE SECOND FULL WEEK SINCE WE EACH HERE AT WOOD MARK SEE OUR VERBAL EVICTION NOTICE. I KNOW TWO OR

THREE NEIGHBORS, BUT ON THE SECOND I STARTED TO MEET WITH THE OTHER 40, 45 OTHER FAMILIES. A LOT HAS TRANSPIRED. THERE HAS BEEN A GREAT DEAL OF SHOCK AND SADNESS, THE TRAIL, THE LIST GOES ON.

ULTIMATELY ALL OF US FACING HOMELESSNESS FOR MANY ME INCLUDED.

AS I AM SURE YOU ARE WELL AWARE MANY ARE AFFECTED MANY SHARE

THEIR HEARTFELT STORIES, AND THERE ARE MANY DETERMINATION HEART RESOLVED TO ENDURE THIS SHAMELESS ACT. THE SITUATION FOR ALL OF US

WE ARE FACING IT'S NOT ABOUT THE FARMWORKERS RATHER IT'S ABOUT-- YOU HAVE ABOUT 15 SECONDS.

BUSINESSES DECIDING TO BE HEARTLESS IN THIS MATTER, AND CAPITALIZING ON PEOPLE'S VULNERABILITY THEY ARE WRONG. SO WITH

THIS I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND HELPING US HEAR

THOSE FAMILIES WHO ARE HEARTBROKEN, PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY CALL SEBASTOPOL THEIR HOME.

THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. BACK TO ZOOM IF THERE IS

ANYONE ON ZOOM WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY SEEING NONE. I

WILL COME BACK INTO THE CHAMBERS IF THERE IS ANYONE IN THE

CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT-- PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

HELLO EVERYONE MY NAME IS SANDY RUSSELL I AM FROM Merry OLD ENGLAND, AND I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT 46 YEARS. I AM A RETIRED REGISTERED NURSE. I WAS LIVING HAPPILY IN SEBASTOPOL IN MY HOUSE I'VE BEEN FOR 14 YEARS AND WAS RECRUITED BY WOOD MARK TO COME IN BECAUSE ALL THE APARTMENTS WERE NEW. ME BEING PICKY I WANT A NICE

HOUSE, AND I WAS DOWNSIZING, I'VE MOVED, AND I'M GOING TO BE Agenda Item Number: 3
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HOMELESS, THAT'S DISGUSTING. THEY HAVE TOTALLY TAKEN ALL THESE PEOPLE'S LIVES AND LITERALLY ALMOST DESTROYED THEM. I HAVE NOWHERE TO LIVE. LUCKILY MY DAUGHTER IS A BUSINESS OWNER IN TOWN AND SHE LET ME SLEEP ON HER COUCH. I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO, I THINK IT IS A SHOCKING DISGRACE. AND I AM PREPARED TO STICK UP FOR

EVERYBODY HERE THERE IS ONLY ONE LITTLE SLIVER OF HAPPINESS IN THIS

WHOLE SITUATION THAT'S MEETING THESE WONDERFUL WOMEN LOOKING

AFTER THEIR CHILDREN AND LOOKING AFTER THEIR ELDERLY PARENTS AND

ARE PRETTY INDEPENDENT, AND NOW FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIFE ARE GOING TO BE HOMELESS. I THINK IT'S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE. SO I

HAVE BEEN TALKING TO LAURA AS WELL, SO I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. WE CANNOT WAIT AND WAIT. OUR LEASES EXPIRE. MINE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST ONES TO EXPIRE, THE 15th OF DECEMBER, SO RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS WE CANNOT DECORATE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

ADVICE FROM PEOPLE TO STICK THE LEASE HOUSE IF YOU TAKE THE $10,000

BUYOUT GONE AND YOU ARE HISTORY AND DONE WITH YOU WELL-- I AM SORRY YOU HAVE ABOUT 10 SECONDS.

I AM SORRY.

YOU HAVE ABOUT 10 SECONDS. OKAY.

THANKS. THANKS FOR ENTERTAINING AND LISTENING TO US. IT'S BEEN HEARTBREAKING, AND WE HAVE NOT SLEPT NOR EATEN PROPERLY. IT'S

BEEN TWO WEEKS TODAY THAT THIS HAPPENED TO US, AND IT'S DISGUSTING, THAT'S MY OPINION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL GO BACK OUT TO

ZOOM IF THERE IS ANYONE ON ZOOM WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC

COMMENT FOR AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY. SEEING NONE. I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. YES.

SO. PLEASE READ
HI I HAVE A COMMENT AND A QUESTION. I AM SPEAKING ABOUT WOOD MARK. A LOT OF WHAT I WANTED TO SAY HAS BEEN HAD SAID. I WAS ACROSS FROM THE CONSTRUCTION. I LOVE IT, THEY ARE AWESOME THEY ARE NICE PEOPLE EVERYTHING IS GREAT. I HAVE TO SAY I FEEL LIKE I

UNDERSTAND THERE WAS POSSIBLY SOME MISLEADING DONE BY THE

PEOPLE WHO PUT WOOD MARK TOGETHER THEY INVITED PEOPLE WHO WERE

LOW INCOME THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING FOR FARMWORKERS,

BUT I DO FEEL LIKE KICKING OUT LOW INCOME PEOPLE KIND OF VIOLATES

THE ORIGINAL SPIRIT OF WHAT WE MARK WAS BUILT FOR, AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID OUT LOUD. MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE "WHAT CAN THE CITY COUNCIL DO?" IT IS MY FIRST TIME AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, IT HAS BEEN EDUCATIONAL. YOU SEEM LIKE CAPABLE PEOPLE. AND I WAS GENUINELY CURIOUS WHAT CAN BE DONE. THE WOMAN

IN THE WHITE DRESS SEEMED TO HAVE A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS, AND I THINK

SHE SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY UM-- AND I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAD TO SAY. I REALLY HOPE THESE EVICTIONS DO NOT GO THROUGH, BECAUSE I

JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF A VIOLATION OF A LOT OF WHAT SEBASTOPOL STANDS FOR HONESTLY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. BACK TO ZOOM IF THERE IS ANYONE ON ZOOM WOULD LIKE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT. CAN YOU UNMUTE YOUR MICROPHONE PLEASE?
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I AM NEW ON ZOOM, SO FORGIVE ME. I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS MEETING SINCE BEFORE THIS PART OF THE MEETING STARTED. I AM TENANT 1 HERE AND I LEFT A HORRIBLE SITUATION, AND IT BASICALLY A

CONSTRUCTIVE EVICTION FOR MYSELF AFTER MY COUSIN WHO IS A

LONGTIME LIFETIME RESIDENT HERE WHO ALSO WORKED FOR THE CITY AND

COUNTY SAW THE CONDITIONS I WAS LIVING IN IN SANTA ROSA AT THE VINTAGE BENNETT VALLEY'S SENIOR COMPLEX THERE SLUMLORDS. AND I TOOK HER PLACE ON HER COUCH. I KEPT DRIVING BY THIS PLACE, SEEING NOBODY IN THE LOT EXCEPT FOR A MERCEDES BENZ WITH TEXAS LIGHTS. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE OWNER, BUT IT'S THE MANAGER HERE. THE TEXAS

PLATES WERE STILL ON THE CAR OUT HERE AFTER EIGHT MONTHS, AND I WAS-- I COULD PUT MY NAME ON A WAIT LIST I DID. I CALLED THE CITY AND MADE A COMPLAINT THIS PLACE WAS VACANT. THE NEXT DAY I HAD AN

EMAIL IN MY MAILBOX I CAME HERE TO REALLY RATE I AM NOT A FARMWORKER. SHE SAYS NO PROBLEM WE ARE OPENING IT TO THE PUBLIC. I

TOLD HER I WAS LOOKING FOR A TWO BEDROOM SHE SAID WE WILL GIVE

YOU A THREE BEDROOM FOR THE SAME RICE YOU DON'T NEED A TWO BEDROOM. SHE SHOWED ME THE THREE BEDROOM THAT AUTOMATICALLY

ENDED UP BECOMING HERS AND SHE DID A LOT OF BAIT AND SWITCH WITH EVERYONE ELSE. I WAS NOT THE ONLY PERSON HERE, AND NOW EIGHT

MONTHS LATER I AM JUST GETTING SETTLED I JUST BOUGHT DRAPES FOR MY

BEDROOM, AND I AM BEING TOLD THAT I HAVE TO MOVE I HAVE NO WHERE

TO GO AND ON TOP OF THAT I ACCLAIMED ON ALL MY EXPENSES I,

SUGGESTED I DO A BANKRUPTCY, BECAUSE I COULD NOT FIND PART-TIME WORK, AND I AM JUDGMENT PROOF. SO I CALLED MY CREDITORS. NOW MY

CREDIT IS SHOT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE LIVING HERE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS UNTIL I AM 85 YEARS OLD. BUT NO, NOW I'M GOING TO BE SENT WITH, COULD BE HOMELESS, AND MY CREDIT IS SHOT ON TOP OF THAT.

WHAT AM I GOING TO DO IT 64? I'M A NATIVE SAN FRANCISCAN-- TWO MINUTES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL

COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM.

I MET, MY NAME IS KID-- KIM EDWARDS. I LIVE THAT WE MARK. PEOPLE AT

WOOD MARK WERE COLD CALLED NOT ALL THE RESIDENTS, BUT SOME,

THAT THEY WOULD BE HAVING TO LEAVE, AND THAT THEY WERE OFFERING

A PAYOUT, AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE SINCE THEN HAS NOT

EVOLVED ANY PAPERWORK IT WAS JUST A COLD CALL AND THEN SOME

PEOPLE WERE TOLD THIS, AND ALL THE PEOPLE AT WOOD MARK NOW HAVE

NO IDEA WHAT IS HAPPENING, BECAUSE THERE IS STILL NOT ONE PIECE OF

PAPER TO SAY THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, AND I DON'T

UNDERSTAND HOW SEBASTOPOL, WHICH IS LOOKING TO BUILD A HOMELESS THING RIGHT? A COMMONS OR SOMETHING? HOW THEY CAN GO FORWARD

WITH THAT AFTER WHAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO HAPPEN WITH WOOD MARK. IT'S A TERRIBLE SITUATION AND DEMANDS ACCOUNTABILITY. BY SOMEBODY, TO SAY WHAT HAS BEEN DONE. BECAUSE, THERE IS SOMETHING

VERY FISHY ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING, AND WE ARE GOING TO PAY THE PRICE FOR IT. WELL THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL GO BACK TO ZOOM

IF THERE'S ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC Agenda Item Number: 3
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COMMENT PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY. SEEING NONE I WILL

COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

I MET, I AM VERY LUCKY, BECAUSE I AM THE ONLY MALE-- SORRY ON THE SERIOUS SIDE I'VE BEEN IN SEBASTOPOL FOR 25 YEARS, RAISED A FAMILY HERE. MY KIDS WENT TO SUMMERFIELD . I GREW UP IN CENTRAL VALLEY.

UM-- LOST A STUDENT DRAFTED '66. DRAFTED WITH SERVICE SERVED IN I

ENDED UP IN WASHINGTON WENT BACK THERE FOR A WELL WITH
UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND. CAME OUT HERE LIVED IN SILICON VALLEY.

MARRIED, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO RAISE OUR THREE KIDS-- IN SILICON VALLEY. SO WE ARE GOING TO PETALUMA, SOMEBODY SAID YOU OUGHT TO CHECK OUT SEBASTOPOL. I HAD NEVER HEARD OF THEM. AFTER WE DROVE

DOWN MAIN STREET AND I SWORE I SAW JERRY GARCIA IN AN OLD MUSIC STORE, SO I THOUGHT WE CAN DO THIS. AND SO ANYWAY, MY FAMILY, ALL MY KIDS HAD GRADUATED, LIVE IN THE AREA. I AM THE ONLY ONE HERE,

AND WE HAD PROPERTY OUT NORTH OF TOWN AND SOLD IT WHEN MY WIFE AND I DIVORCED. AND THEN LIVED DOWNTOWN THEN CAME HERE TO WOOD MARK. ANYWAY. KIDS SAID DEAD LET'S GO IN THERE. I WENT AND TALKED TO THE ADMINISTRATOR AT THE TIME. IT LOOKED NICE. THEY GIVE ME A

THREE AND TWO BY MYSELF WHICH I FEEL BAD, BECAUSE SOME OF THE

FAMILIES HERE ARE WOMEN WITH KIDS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING UM-- ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COMMENT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL GO TO ZOOM.

OLIVER, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE?
I AM UNMUTE IT AND CAN SEE THE TIMER. I WILL BE QUICK BECAUSE I

KNOW WE ARE EATING UP TIME TO TRAGIC STORIES UM-- I AM JUST

THINKING THERE IS SO LITTLE THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL CAN DO FOR TENANTS. THIS WAS THE FARMWORKER HOUSING MANDATE, AND THIS IS A

FEDERAL INTERCEPTION OF WHAT THE TEXAN DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE IN RENTING OUT THE SPACES SPECIFIC ANYTHING I CAN THINK OF IS A CLASSACTION LAWSUIT. WELL THAT TENANTS AND TRY AND ENGAGE THE FEDS IN

THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE STATE OR THE COUNTY, NOT A STATE OF

SEBASTOPOL LEGAL PROBLEM THE FEDS HAVE BASICALLY SAID TO THE TEXAN DEVELOPERS YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE FARMWORKERS. THAT'S HOW

YOU GOT THE FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT, AND NOW YOU BASICALLY HAVE

SUPPOSEDLY NOT FOUND ANY FARMWORKERS AND RENTED TO PEOPLE YOU DIDN'T HAVE RIGHTS TO RENT TO. RIGHT THERE COULD BE A LAWSUIT. I'M NO LAWYER, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME YOU IT SOME STAIN AROUND THAT. BUT

BEING CANDID, IT'S HEARTBREAKING, BUT TALKING TO THE CITY OF

SEBASTOPOL COUNCIL, WHICH IS A TINY AGENCY WITH LITTLE WEIGHT OR

LEVERAGE LEGALLY I THINK YOU NEED TO CLIMB THE LADDER AND TALK MORE SERIOUSLY INVOLVED PEOPLE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. THAT'S MY COMMENT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, OLIVER. THIS WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER, WE WILL BE HITTING OUR 30 MINUTE TIME LIMIT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

THANK YOU, MARY. I TOUCHED BASE WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE

SURE, HE DID REMIND ME THAT THE BROWN ACT DOES PROHIBIT THE CITY

COUNCIL FROM HAVING DISCUSSIONS IN REFERENCE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS,

SO I WAS ALLOWED TO SAY THE FOLLOWING, I PERSONALLY AM VERY Agenda Item Number: 3
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CONCERNED ABOUT THE ABHORRENT TREATMENT OF THE RESIDENTS THERE

AT WOOD MARK, AND LATER ON TONIGHT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR

EACH OF US TO REQUEST FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, AND MINE WILL BE TO ASK

THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY T ATTORNEY BE ABLE TO EXPLORE WAYS TO ASSIST IN THIS MATTER. I WANTED TO SAY THAT AND I THINK-- THAT IS PUBLIC COMMENT. I DID HAVE REQUEST FROM THE VICE MAYOR FOR FIVE-MINUTE BREAK IF POSSIBLE.

SURE, EVERYONE. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER?

BEFORE WE BREAK I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I ADDRESS THIS TOO I WAS

ABLE TO TALK TO THE LAWYER THAT COUNCIL FOR LAST NIGHT BUT WAS UNABLE TO MAKE THE MEETING, AND I REGRET THAT. THAT SAID, WE ARE

GOING TO PUT A LOT OF BRAIN, I AM GOING TO PUT A LOT OF BRAINPOWER TO THIS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. I KNOW THIS IS NOT OKAY IN A LOT OF

WAYS, AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT HARD AND STRATEGY, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT ANYTHING THE CITY DID TO AGENDIZE THIS LATER TOO.

GREAT THANK YOU. I GUESS THERE HAS BEEN REQUEST FOR
COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?
I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND TALKING WITH US. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WE HEAR FROM YOU . THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MAURER. THERE HAS BEEN A REQUEST. I THINK WE WILL ADJOURN FOR FIVE MINUTES. WE WILL BE BACK PROMPTLY AT 8:20.
[ THE EVENT IS ON A RECESS. THE SESSION WILL RECONVENE AT IN 8:20 P.M.

PDT. CAPTIONER ON STANBY. ]
OKAY WE ARE RESUMING. WE ARE RESUMING PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. PLEASE, EVERYONE, THIS WILL BE THE TIME FOR THE GAVEL. PLEASE EVERYONE, UM- -, IF YOU ARE STAYING PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT. I DO WANT TO STRESS WE

HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS, A LOT OF BUSINESS TO CONTINUE THROUGH

TONIGHT, SO PLEASE HAVE A SEAT, AND WE ARE GOING TO RESUME UM-- SO THAT WAS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. AND SO NEXT

IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, AND WE HAVE A COUPLE TONIGHT UM-- NUMBER 3 APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS MINUTES FOR APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES SEPTEMBER 2nd 2025

NUMBER FIVE APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER WITH WOOD ROGERS FOR FLOOD RESILIENCY MASTER PLAN FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $152,130.

THANK YOU STEVE FOR CLOSING THE DOOR THERE IS NO FISCAL ITEM, APPROVED $170,000 AMENDMENT GHD INC. FOR THE WATER SYSTEM MASTER PLAN UPDATE FOR THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 14,738. THERE IS NO FISCAL IMPACT WITH THIS APPROVAL. THE COST OF THIS ADDITIONAL SCOPE IS NOT TO EXCEED 14,538 AND IS WITHIN THE ADOPTED FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 BUDGET FROM THE WATER CAPITAL FUND 501. NUMBER 7 REPORT TO COUNCIL REGARDING THE STORM DRAIN REPAIRS AT 222 RAGLE ROAD. COST FOR REPAIRS WAS $38,330. THERE IS NO FISCAL IMPACT. NUMBER 8

APPROVAL OF THE SPONSORSHIP OF MEMBERSHIP FEES FOR THE

SEBASTOPOL CHAMBER TO JOIN THE MAIN STREET AMERICA PROGRAM AND THAT IS $1675 DIVIDED BY THREE, COMES TO $560. THE TOTAL AMOUNTS ARE

TO BE SHARED BETWEEN THE SEBASTOPOL AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE,

THE SEBASTOPOL BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FUNDS, AND THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL. AND NUMBER 9, APPROVAL OF REGIONALIZED-- REVISED

JOB DESCRIPTION FOR PLANNING DIRECTOR, AND THAT CONCLUDES THE Agenda Item Number: 3
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CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. UM-- LOOKING TO MY RIGHT IF WE SEE COLLEAGUES IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO PULL ANYTHING.

I AM INTERESTED IN PULLING THE PLANNING DIRECTOR ITEM.

OKAY. NUMBER 9, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR REVISED PLANNING DIRECTOR JOB DESCRIPTION. LOOKING NOW TO MY LEFT TO SEE IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL AN ITEM. LOOKING TO THE VICE MAYOR-- SHE IS SHAKING HER HEAD NO, SO IT LOOKS A YOU ARE PULLING 9, THAT WILL END UP AT THE END OF THE CALENDAR. IS THERE A MOTION-- WE NEED TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN MOTIONS.

THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS 3-8. I WILL COME TO CHAMBERS FIRST.

IT IS A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT. ANYONE IN CHAMBERS? SEEING NONE I

WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM IF THERE IS ANYONE ON ZOOM WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CALENDAR ITEMS MINUS ITEM 9 PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY. SEEING NONE THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

I SEE THERE'S A MOTION. COUNCILMEMBER MAURER?
SO MOVED.

SECONDED.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEMS 3-8 WITH 9 PULLED. [ ROLL BEING CALLED ]. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO INFORMATIONAL ITEMS NUMBER 10. THE MISSION OF

MICHAH'S HUGS IS EDUCATING THE DANGERS AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND FENTANYL POISING-- POISONING. I APPRECIATE THOSE WHO CAME TO PRESENT NON-COLLABORATIVE MEETINGS. I HAD HEARD OF THEM BEFORE I JUST FELL IN LOVE WITH THEM ALL OVER AGAIN. FOR ME IT FITS WITHIN OUR GOALS OF PUBLIC SAFETY. WE HAVE HEARD OF DRUG USE, FENTANYL

OVERDOSES, I THOUGHT WHAT A GREAT THING THAT WOULD BE FOR PUBLIC

SAFETY SO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO HANG WITH US AS WE WORK THROUGH THE REST OF THE AGENDA ITEMS. 10 MINUTES FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, AND WE WILL GO TO QUESTION AND ANSWER. SO THANK YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE. WE APPRECIATE THE
ACKNOWLEDGMENT. MY NAME IS MICAH SAWYER, THIS IS MY WIFE, MICHELLE. WE STARTED AFTER WE LOST OUR SON, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE OVER SIX YEARS. HE WAS A GRADUATE STAR FOOTBALL PLAYER AT ANNALEE, HE

WAS THE YOUNGEST KID TO PLAY VARSITY FOOTBALL ON THE WINNINGEST TEAM THEY HAD. HE WAS INDUCTED INTO THE ATHLETIC HALL OF FAME ALONG WITH THE REST OF HIS TEAM FOR THE WINNING RECORD THEY HAD.

HE WAS CAPTAIN FOR TWO YEARS. HE WAS SUFFERING AND STRUGGLING AND DIDN'T REALLY LET THAT BE KNOWN WELL. SO HE HID THAT AND KEPT

THAT INSIGHT AND BECAUSE OF THAT HE STARTED STRUGGLING WITH

DRUGS AND STARTED GETTING INTO DRUGS WHILE HE WAS STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL AND HID THAT. WE LIKE TO TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THAT IT BREAKS THE STIGMA OF WHO USES DRUGS. HE WAS ON THE KID EVERYONE THOUGHT WOULD GO DOWN THAT PATH. UNFORTUNATELY HE WAS
SOMEONE EVERYONE THOUGHT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL. WHEN THE DRUGS GOT A HOLD OF HIM HIS HABITS STARTED TO REALLY GO DOWNHILL. HIS RESPONSIBILITIES STARTED GOING DOWNHILL. FOR A WHILE HE WAS USING HEROIN LIVING IN HIS CAR. IT REALLY TOOK HOLD, AND THERE WAS ONE

DAY SPECIFICALLY HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT WORK, HE WORKED FOR ME, Agenda Item Number: 3
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HE NEVER SHOWED UP. I WENT LOOKING FOR HIM AND FOUND HIM AT A FRIEND'S HOUSE, AND I HAD TO SHAKE HIM TO WAKE HIM UP AT LIKE 1:00 IN

THE AFTERNOON HE FINALLY WOKE UP

IT WAS REALLY REALLY SHOCKING
TO ME.

HE LOOKED AT ME, "DAD, I'VE
BEEN
SMOKING HEROIN.
"

IT HIT ME LIKE A TON OF
BRICKS.

THAT STARTED A WHOLE NEW PATH

FOR OUR FAMILY.

GOING DOWN THIS PATH.

BEING IN AND OUT OF REHAB
FACILITIES.

GETTING BETTER, GETTING
CLEAN,
AND FALLING OFF THE WAGON AGAIN.

WE WENT THROUGH QUITE A LOT OF

STRUGGLES AFTER THAT.

THEN IT CAME -- HE GOT CLEAN
FOR
ABOUT 7 1/2 MONTHS.

WE WERE PRETTY HAPPY
AND
HOPEFUL.

HE WAS LIVING WITH HIS MOM AT
THE TIME.

SHE CALLED ME EARLY IN
THE

MORNING AND I KNEW SOMETHING
WAS
WRONG.

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SHE WOULD NEVER CALL ME THAT
EARLY
IN THE MORNING.
"HE'S UNRESPONSIVE."

SO THAT -- THE GRIEF THAT
THAT

CAUSED OUR FAMILY WAS

REALLY,

REALLY OVERWHELMING AND REALLY
POWERFUL.

IT TORE SO MANY FAMILIES APART.

WE KNEW WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING

TO HELP OTHER FAMILIES TO
NOT

HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE'VE
GONE THROUGH AT THE TIME.

SO WE STARTED THIS ORGANIZATION.

AND THE VERY FIRST PROJECT WE

DID, THERE WAS OTHER KIDS
FROM
ANA LEE.

A BUNCH OF MY FRIEND'S FRIENDS
STRUGGLING.

MY SON'S BEST FRIEND AND
HIS

EX-GIRLFRIEND ACTUALLY HAD

DISAPPEARED FOR THREE
MONTHS

AFTER THEY CAME TO MY SON'S
FUNERAL.

AND THEY DISAPPEARED.

THEIR FAMILIES COULDN'T
FIND
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THEM FOR THREE MONTHS.

SO WE DECIDED WE HAD TO TRY
SOMETHING.

SO WE WENT LOOKING FOR THEM.

THESE ARE ALL ANA LEE KIDS ALL
STRUGGLING.

WE FOUND THEM ON THE STREETS OF
OAKLAND, LIVING IN A DEBT CAMP.

WE WENT DOWN THERE

PHYSICAL WILL
YOU AND FOUND THEM THERE.

FOR FIVE YEARS NOW, WE'VE
BEEN

OUT OF TOUCH WITH THEM, AND
I
THOUGHT MAYBE THEY HAD PASSED.

JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, I

FINALLY

GOT A CALL FROM WYATT, AND
WYATT
SAID HE WAS IN JAIL.

I THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD, BUT HE

WAS IN JAIL, SO THAT WAS
REALLY
TOUCHING.

HE ASKED ME IF HE GETS OUT
OF

JAIL IF HE CAN COME BACK
HERE

AND I'LL HELP HIM GET
STRAIGHTENED OUT AGAIN.

THAT STARTED THIS

FOUNDATION

THAT WE RUN NOW THAT WE'VE
BEEN
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HELPING PEOPLE FROM THAT POINT
ON, AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

I SEE MY TIME IS -- WE'VE BY
COUNTY BOARD SUPERVISORS TOUCHING.

I REALIZE

GAVE US THE

CRIED AND SHE SAID, I DON'T

IF YOU REALIZE THAT BECAUSE OF

THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE,

CHANGED POLICY
COUNTY.

YOU HAVE CHANGED THE RULES
AND

LAWS RIGHT THERE IN TERMS OF

EVERYBODY NOW IN THE
COUNTY

OFFICES HAS TO BE

TRAINED AND
EXAMINE KNOW HOW TO USE NALOXAN.

THAT'S PRETTY TOUCHING

TO KNOW

THEY SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING
AND
ARE PAYING ATTENTION.

A LOT OF BIG EVENTS GOING ON.

ONE THING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON

IS THE MAILBOX DISTRIBUTION
PROGRAM.

WE WENT AND SAW -- THERE'S A --

COMPANIES THAT MAKE

VENDING

MACHINES THAT YOU CAN PUT
OUT

NALOXONE IN THE VENDING
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MACHINES.

WE WENT AND TALKED TO THIS
COMPANY.

IT'S $15,000 FOR ONE OF
THESE

CONVENIENTING
MACHINES.

WE THOUGHT THAT'S SORT OF
RIDICULOUS.

WE GOT TOGETHER WITH THE "PRESS
DEMOCRAT" HERE AND THE "PRESS
DEMOCRAT" HAS DONATED ABOUT
NINE

OF THE OLD NEWSPAPER STAND BOXES
YOU SEE ON THE STREET CORNERS.

WE'VE BEEN SANDING THEM DOWN
AND

REPURPOSING THEM AND

PUTTING

DECALS AND INFORMATION ON
THEM,

TRYING TO GET THEM OUT ON THE
STREETS.

SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY IN THE

CITY, WE'D LOVE TO FIND
A

LOCATION WHERE WE COULD PUT
ONE
HERE IN SEBASTOPOL.

USUALLY WE WORK WITH A

BUSINESS
CLOSE BY.

WE LIKE TO HAVE THEM OUT 24
HOURS A DAY AND AVAILABLE.

WE ASK A BUSINESS THAT
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CAN

MONITOR IT AND RESTOCK IT
WHEN

IT NEEDS TO BE RESTOCKED SO

WE'RE NOT DRIVING ALL OVER
TO
THOSE BOX.

ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS OR

IDEAS, WE'D LOVE TO GET ONE
HERE
IN
TOWN.

WE HAVE TWO?

PETALUMA, ONE IN CLOVERDALE, ONE

IN GUERNEVILLE AT THE SENIOR
CENTER.

FOUR OF THEM SET ON THE STREETS.

WE'D LOVE TO GET ONE HERE IN
SEBASTOPOL.

ANOTHER PROJECT WE ARE

WORKING

ON IS WORKING WITH ANA LEE HIGH
SCHOOL.

THEY ARE WANTING

TO HONOR MICAH

AS AN EX-ALUMNI

AND THEY ARE

GOING TO JUST PUT IN
A

RESOLUTION TO HAVE OCTOBER
FOR

THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BE

FENTANYL

AWARENESS MONTH AND FOR MICAH'S
BIRTHDAY, OCTOBER 16th, TO BE
FENTANYL AWARENESS DAY.

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WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING
WITH

ANA LEE -- IT'S BEEN

HARD TO GET

INTO SCHOOLS TO ALLOW US
TO
DISTRIBUTE PRODUCTS IN SCHOOLS.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TEACH KIDS

BUT NOT DISTRIBUTE PRODUCTS SO
MUCH.

ANA LEE HAS AGREED AND
WE'RE

GOING TO BE WORKING AND
ARE

UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE

GUINNESS

BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS WITH ANA

LEE HIGH SCHOOL TO DO
THE

LARGEST NARCAN TRAINING IN THE
WORLD.

AND THE OLD RECORD I BELIEVE
WAS
360 OR 380.

AND

WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING --
SHOOTING FOR 1,500.

SO WE'RE TRAINING EVERY STUDENT

IN A GIANT ASSEMBLY WITH NARCAN

TRAINING, AND EVERY STUDENT GETS

TO BRING HOME NARCAN WITH
THEM
AND FENTANYL TEST STRIPS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
WAS

REALLY IMPORTANT, OVER A MONTH,
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TWO MONTHS AGO, THERE WAS
A KID
FROM ANA LEE HIGH SCHOOL.

HE WAS A SOPHOMORE.

JUNIOR?
A JUNIOR NOW.

HE WAS A SOPHOMORE AT THE TIME.

HE WAS IN SANTA ROSA AT LUCKY ON

MONTGOMERY DRIVE AND A

PREGNANT

WOMAN WAS OVERDOSING ON FENTANYL
IN THE PARKING LOT.

THIS KID FROM ANA

LEE HIGH

SCHOOL HAD THE WHEREWITHAL TO
GO
TO HIS MOM'S CAR, 2 TO THE
GLOVE

BOX, BECAUSE SHE CAME TO ONE
OF

OUR TRAININGS, HE GOT THE
NARCAN

OUT OF THE GLOVE BOX, AND HE

SAVED THIS PREGNANT

WOMAN WHO
WAS LYING THERE ON THE STREET.

SO THAT WAS -- IT'S REALLY

IMPORTANT FOR US TO REALIZE,
IF
WE CAN

GET THE INFORMATION TO

THE KIDS AND THE KIDS CAN
GET

THE INFORMATION TO THEIR

FAMILIES, HOW MANY LIVES
COULD

POSSIBLY BE
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SAVED.

WE'RE EXCITED TO WORK WITH
ANA

LEE HIGH SCHOOL, EXCITED TO
WORK
WITH THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL.

WE REALLY WANT TO START DOING --

WE ARE LOCAL

SEBASTOPOL

RESIDENTS BUT JUST OUTSIDE OF
CITY LIMITS.

BUT WE CONSIDER OURSELVES
SEBASTOPOL.

SO WE WANT TO START WORKING WITH

SEBASTOPOL AND GETTING MORE

THINGS LIKE THIS DONE IN THE
AREA.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE DOING A
NIGHT BEFOREHAND, THE 15th?
THE 16th IS THE NIGHT BEFORE?
OKAY.

SO ON HIS BIRTHDAY, ON THE
16th,

WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A --

SORT OF A TRAINING IN
THE
AUDITORIUM AT ANA LEE.

THIS WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYBODY'S ALLOWED TO COME.

ANA LEE'S INVITING OTHER SCHOOL
DISTRICTS TO COME AS WELL.

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I WILL BE SPEAKING --

I CAN'T

REMEMBER WHO ARE THE
OTHER
SPEAKERS?

SOMEONE WITH THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, THAT'S RIGHT.

THE CHIEF WAS GOING TO BE OUT
OF

TOWN, SO SOMEBODY ELSE FROM
THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO
COME.

A FRIEND OF MINE WHO IS IN

RECOVERY, BUT HE USED TO BE AN

IV FENTANYL USER ON THE

STREETS
OF THE TEN LOIN.

HE'S TURNED HIS LIFE AROUND BUT

HE'LL BE THERE TO SPEAK TO THE
PUBLIC.

THE NEXT DAY WE'RE DOING ANA
LEE.

THE NEXT DAY AFTER THAT
WE'RE

GOING TO BE DOING UNA AND
THE

ACADEMY FOR THE ARTS, THE NEW
ONE THERE.

THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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JUST AMAZING, YEAH.

YOU SORT OF FLESHED IT

OUT, WHAT

YOU SAID AT THE COLLABORATIVE
MEETING.

SO, MUCH APPRECIATION FOR
YOU

DOING ALL THE GOOD WORK
AND

WILLINGNESS TO COME AND
SHARE

THIS WITH US, AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY, THE PUBLIC.

SO WHILE I GOT YOU UP HERE,
I'M

GOING TO OPEN UP TO

QUESTIONS,
AND COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?

I WANTED TO AGAIN

RECOGNIZE

YOU AND POINT OUT WE
DID

RECOGNIZE YOU AS LOCALS
THAT
MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN 2021.

I REMEMBER COMING OUT TO
THE

HOUSE AND HEARING THE
STORY.

SO IT'S REALLY AMAZING.

AND HOW MUCH THAT YOU'VE
DONE
FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND I HOPE WE CAN FIND ONE
OF

THOSE -- A SPOT FOR THE BOX
IN
SEBASTOPOL SOMEWHERE.

I MEAN, I JUST THINK
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WHEREVER

THEY USED TO HAVE THE NEWSPAPER

BOXES, AND I KNOW YOU
NEED
PEOPLE TO RESTOCK IT.

BUT WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT.

SO, THANK YOU 15 FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?

YEAH, I CAN TELL THAT THIS
IS
REALLY POWERFUL.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE

COURAGE

TO GET UP AND DO SOMETHING
TO
MAKE A BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE.

I APPRECIATE IT A LOT.

I KNOW FUTURE GENERATIONS
ARE
GOING TO APPRECIATE IT A LOT.

I'VE GOT A KID THAT'S 10, 13.

THEY'LL EVENTUALLY GET THROUGH
THIS.

AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE THERE BEFORE
THEY GET THROUGH TO IT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

BECAUSE YOU'RE

DOING A LOT OF
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PRE-EMPTIVE WORK.

HOWEVER I CAN HELP YOU.

THANK YOU.

HAVE YOU ASKED THE
SENIOR

CENTER ABOUT PUTTING A BOX NEAR
THERE?

I HAVEN'T ASKED THE SENIOR
CENTER, NO.

YEAH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING
AND TALKING TO US.

IT'S REALLY TOUCHING.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH YOUR

SON, TOO, WE REALLY WANT
TO

START WORKING WITH YOUNGER
AND
YOUNGER KIDS.

WE'VE BEEN GETTING TO THE HIGH

SCHOOLS, BUT WE THINK

EDUCATION

INTO THE JUNIOR HIGHS AND
MIDDLE
SCHOOL AGES.

MY SON TOLD ME HE TRIED HEROIN

FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN HE WAS

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YOUNG AGES.

THANK YOU.

WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT

TO PUBLIC
COMMENT NOW.

MARY?
THANK YOU.

YOU GUYS CAN HAVE A SEAT FOR
RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON

THE PRESENTATION OF MICAH'S
HUGS.

I WILL GO INTO CHAMBERS FIRST.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN CHAMBERS
LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT?

BASED ON WHERE MY OFFICE
IS,

I WOULD ACTUALLY LOVE TO WORK

OUT AND MAYBE EVEN TALK TO
MY

LANDLORD ABOUT POTENTIALLY --

I'M RIGHT ON MAIN STREET,
RIGHT
ACROSS FROM RITE AID.

AND I THINK IT WORKS

PERFECTLY
WITH WHAT I DO FOR MY BUSINESS.

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AND I WOULD BE

MORE THAN HAPPY
TO STOCK.

SO YEAH,
ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH, THANK
YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM.

OLIVER ACTION CAN YOU UNMUTE
YOURSELF?
CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?

GO AHEAD,
PLEASE.

YEAH.

CONDOLENCES TO THAT FAMILY.

I WENT THROUGH THE SAME
THING

WHERE OUR FAMILY WENT

THROUGH
THE SAME THING.

WE LOST A KID WHO BASICALLY
DIED

EVENTUALLY OF AN OVERDOSE
FROM

PRESUMABLY FENTANYL WITH HIS
GIRLFRIEND.

IT WAS HORRIFIC.

LIVED THROUGH ALL OF THIS STUFF.

IT'S A DISASTER.

BUT I TEND TO BE, HAVE
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GONE

THROUGH TRYING TO GET HIM INTO

REHAB, SEEING THE AGONIZING SLOW

DESCENT, I'M ACTUALLY MUCH MORE
A TOUGH LOVE PERSON.

AND I KNOW THAT THE -- THERE'S
A

HORRENDOUS DRUG PROBLEM WITH THE
YOUTH.

AND I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT

IF YOU ALMOST NORMALIZE
USING

SYNTHETIC OPIOIDS AND HAVING
,

YOU KNOW, RESOURCES AVAILABLE

FOR PEOPLE TO SNAP OUCH

OVERDOSES A FEW TIMES,

SOMEHOW

THEY THINK IT'S KIND OF, YOU
KNOW, PART OF SOCIETY.

WHEREAS I FEEL AT THIS POINT,

HAVING, YOU KNOW -- AFTER
WHAT

I'VE BEEN THROUGH, I FEEL
LIKE

YOU HAVE

TO BE REALLY AGGRESSIVE
ABOUT THIS STUFF.

SO I'M ACTUALLY OPPOSED
TO

HAVING ANY KIND OF NEEDLE DROPS OR
NARCAN AVAILABLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE
AWARE,

BUT NARCAN IS BEING
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WEAPONIZED

ON THE STREETS NOW AND
IS

ACTUALLY BEING USED AS A
WEAPON

ON PEOPLE, BECAUSE IT'S A
VERY,

VERY VIOLENT, YOU KNOW, REACTION
WHEN

YOU PUT NARCAN INTO
SOMEBODY'S BODY.

AND UNHAPPILY, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE
EVERYBODY'S GOT IT THESE DAYS.

IT'S BEING USED TO ACTUALLY
HURT

PEOPLE, WHICH IS A REALLY

WORRYING AND TRAGIC THING IN
ITSELF.

SO I'M

ALL FOR ANTI-DRUG
EDUCATION.

AND BASICALLY PUTTING THE FEAR

OF GOD INTO KIDS

ABOUT WHAT'S

GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM

IF THEY

START THE LONG AND SLOW -- YOU

KNOW, PAINFUL DESCENT INTO
ADDICTION AND DEATH.

BUT I DON'T THINK NORMALIZING IT

IS A GOOD IDEA AT
ALL,

ESPECIALLY IN A VERY

BOHEMIAN

PLACE LIKE THE CITY OF
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SEBASTOPOL.

THANKS.

THANK YOU, OLIVER.

PUBLIC COMMENT?

SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT
IS
CLOSED.

THANK YOU TO THE PRESENTERS.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR THE
QUESTIONS.

AND THIS WAS INFORMATIONAL
ITEM,

JUST FOR THE RECEIPT OF THE
INFORMATION, SO THANK YOU AGAIN.

AND THERE MIGHT BE

SUGGESTIONS

TO ADD THINGS ON TO CALENDAR
AT

THE END OF THE AGENDA, WHO
KNOWS.

SO WITH THAT, WE
ARE --

CAN I MAKE JUST ONE MORE
COMMENT?
SURE.

I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU
AGAIN.

I JUST WORKED ON A MEDIC BOAT.

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AND THIS IS A COMMON TOOL TO

HAVE ON OUR MEDIC AS A

DEFENSE
WHEN WE COME ACROSS IT.

AND IT WAS -- I JUST HAD
THIS
EXPERIENCE THIS WEEKEND.

WE DIDN'T HAVE IT LAST YEAR.

WE HAD IT IN CASE WE
DID

ENCOUNTER SOMEBODY THAT WE
COULD

USE THE NARCAN TO

TURN THINGS
AROUND.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU.

WITH THAT, VERY POWERFUL.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO
AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 11, WHICH IS
THE
UPDATE ON THE FISCAL YEAR 25-
26 CITY COUNCIL GOALS AND
PRIORITIES.

THIS IS A QUARTERLY REPORT
TO

PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL WITH
A

QUARTERLY UPDATE ON THE

PROGRESS

TOWARDS THOSE GOALS AND

PRIORITIES, INCLUDING STATUS OF

INITIATIVES, ACCOMPLISHMENTS,
AND CHALLENGES.

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THE RESPONSIBLE DEPARTMENT IS

OUR WONDERFUL INTERIM
CITY

MANAGER, AND THE ADVERTISE CALL

IMPACT, THERE IS NO FISCAL

IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
ITEM.

MARY?
THANK YOU.

AND YES, IT IS HARD TO FOLLOW
THAT PRESENTATION.

SO AS YOU JUST STATED,
MAYOR,
THIS IS THE CITY COUNCIL GOALS.

IN YOUR PACKET YOU WILL SEE
ALL

THE GOALS WITH

ADDITIONAL

INFORMATION THAN WHAT I

PROVIDED
IN THE REPORT.

I JUST WANT TO RECAP SOME OF
THE

HIGHLIGHTS OF THOSE, AND
THE

STAFF IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR
WANT
FURTHER UPDATES.

I DO WANT TO SAY, THE

COUNCIL

ADOPTED THE
49 GOALS WITH 59
ACTION PLANS.

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AT THEIR MEETING IN APRIL.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, OF THOSE
49 GOALS AND 59 ACTION PLANS,
OF

THE ACTION PLANS, TWO HAVE
BEEN

COMPLETELY
COMPLETED.

ONE WILL BE PENDING COMPLETION

NEXT -- ACTUALLY, THIS WEEKEND.

WITH THE LABYRINTH.

WE HAVE 44 THAT HAVE BEEN

STARTED IN AND ARE CURRENTLY IN

SOME STAGE OF THE PROCESS,

WHETHER WE JUST STARTED IT
IN

THE MIDDLE OF IT OR STARTING
TO
FINISH IT.

THERE ARE 12 THAT HAVE NOT
BEEN

STARTED BUT IT IS

ANTICIPATED TO
BE STARTED LATER INTO THE YEAR.

SO I JUST WANT TO GO

THROUGH
SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.

FOR THE COMMUNITY VITALITY, AS
I

JUST STATED, WE'LL HAVE
THE

LABYRINTH DEDICATION ON
SATURDAY.

SO THAT WILL BE A COMPLETED.

WE HAVE PROVIDED WAIVER
FOR
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ABOUT FIVE EVENTS SO FAR FOR
THE
CITY.

WE DID ADOPT THE
LAND

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AS READ

TONIGHT
BY THE MAYOR.

WE ARE AGGRESSIVELY DOING
THE
DOWNTOWN BEAUTIFICATION.

SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE
HOTEL

SEBASTOPOL SITE TO PUT LIGHTS

UP, TO REMOVE PORTIONS --
TO

MOVE PORTIONS OF THE FENCE
OVER

SO WE CAN CREATE A

WALKWAY

THROUGH THE BARLOW PLAZA TO

CREATE MORE VITALITY DOWN UP
TO.

WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING
LIGHTS

UP IN THE PLAZA TO MAKE IT MORE

AMBIENT AND PLEASING TO THE
PLAZA.

WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING
WITH

THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION --

SORRY, THE BUSINESS

IMPROVEMENT

DISTRICT AND THE

CHAMBER,

WORKING ON EVENTS FOR

DOWNTOWN
FOR THE HOLIDAYS.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING
THAT'S
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GOING TO BE COMING UP.

ALTHOUGH THERE ISN'T A
GOAL

THERE ABOUT TALKING TO YOU,

SANTA ROSA JC OR SONOMA STATE
ABOUT GRAND WRITERS.

I HAVE NOT STARTED THAT PROCESS

YET, BUT I WILL TELL YOU AS OF

THIS, WE HAVE APPLIED FOR
FOUR
GRANTS ALREADY THROUGH STAFF.

SO WE HAVE WORKING ON
THE

T-MOBILE GRANT AND WE HAVE THE
CROSS GRANT.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T REACH

OUT, WE'RE TRYING TO DO
THAT.

WE DO HAVE THE PUBLIC SAFETY,
SO

WE ARE ADDRESSING

MULTIPLE

ORDINANCES AS WE ADOPT AT
THE
LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

WE DID IMPROVE THE CONTRACT
FOR
WEST COUNTY COMMUNITY SERVICES.

WE'RE DOING THE

EMERGENCY

OPERATIONS ASSESSMENT, SO
THAT
SHOULD BE DONE IN THE FALL.

WE'RE DOING THE SDSU

TRAINING
RADIO UPGRADES.

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THAT'S ALL GOING WITH WEBSITE
TRANSFER.

THEN WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON THE

BACKUP GENERATOR TO WORK SURE
WE

HAVE THE ESE UP
AND RUNNING.

WE'RE WORKING ON THE
INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE HAVE THE

STRAIGHT PAVING
GRANTS WE JUST HAD.

WE'RE DOING THE ZERO MASTER

PLAN, THE IVES PARK PARKWAY
ARE

WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM

COMING UP
OCTOBER 21st.

WE'LL SEE WHICH DIRECTION IT

GOES.

THE GOAL FORWARD, WHICH IS A

HIGH-PERFORMANCE

ORGANIZATION,

WE DO HAVE RECRUITMENTS
UNDER
WAY FOR MULTIPLE POSITIONS.

WE HAVE OUR PLAYING

DIRECTOR

THAT YOU'LL BE DISCUSSING LATER
TONIGHT.

WE HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS
DIRECTOR.

WE HAVE POLICE SERGEANT, WE
HAVE
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POLICE OFFICERS, THEN WE
HAVE
TWO ADMIN TECHS.

WE ARE FULLY GOING THROUGH
THE
PROCESS WITH THOSE.

WE DO HAVE FOUR LEAF IS
OUR

CONSULTANT FOR PLANNING RIGHT
NOW, GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD PREPARED
A

BUILDINGS REMEDY MEMO

PREVIOUSLY, SO WE'RE ADDRESSING
THAT.

THE I.T. AUDIT HAS BEEN

COMPLETED, SO THAT WILL BE IN
YOUR NEXT CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.

WE ARE CROSS

TRAINING STAFF IN
ALL DEPARTMENTS.

WE LOOKED AT SHARED

SERVICES

WITH OTHER CITIES, AND AS
OF
RIGHT

NOW THAT IS NOT AN OPTION
WITH OTHER CITIES.

EVERYONE IS HAVING

STAFFING
ISSUES RIGHT NOW.

THEN WE ARE FOCUSING
ON
TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNICATIONS.

WE'RE GETTING MORE
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COMMUNICATIONS OUT.

WE'RE DOING INDIVIDUAL WALK FOR

THE BUSINESS LISTING

SESSION,

GOING OUT PERSONALLY,
DOING
THINGS LIKE THAT.

PUTTING MORE THINGS OUT
MORE

FREQUENTLY ON THE COMMUNITY
NEWSLETTER.

AND ALSO OPEN TO ANY

INFORMATION

OR ANY SUGGESTIONS THE

COMMUNITY

MIGHT HAVE TO HELP INCREASE THAT
TRANSPARENCY.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE THE GARDENING

PROGRAM

BUSINESS LISTING SECTION KICKING
OFF SEPTEMBER 30th.

THE BARLOW HOTEL PROJECT
HAS

BEEN APPROVED, SO IT IS
OUR

UNDERSTANDING AT THE END OF
THIS

YEAR, BEGINNING NEXT

YEAR, THEY

WILL BEGIN TO PULL THE

STARTING
PERMITS FOR GRADING.

WE'RE LOOKING, EVEN

THOUGH OUR

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS ON HOLD,

WE ARE LOOKING AT BRINGING
BACK
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A VIBRANCY PLAN.

AND WE ARE ALSO STARTING THE

HOUSING

DEVELOPMENT
IMPLEMENTATION ITEM.

SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS
A

SUBCOMMITTEE ON THAT,
AND

THERE'S MULTIPLE ITEMS
COMING

FORWARD IN THE FALL, AND IT
WILL

BE COMING FORWARD TO THE

COUNCIL
IN DECEMBER.

WE HAVE THE CITY

RECRUITMENT
TAKING PLACE.

WE RECEIVED FIVE RECRUITING

FIRMS, SO THAT WILL BE COMING
BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

CITY STAFF IS DOING

BARGAINING

UNITS WITH --
SORRY,

NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE BARGAINING
UNITS FOR THE CITY STAFF.

I WAS ABLE TO GET A HEART PILOTPILOT

PROGRAM FROM THE COUNTY INTO
THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR AT
LEAST
THREE MONTHS.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF
THE

APPLICATIONS I SUBMITTED FOR,
SO
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WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES.

AGAIN, THE PUBLIC WORKS HAS
BEEN

WORKING REALLY HARD
ABOUT

MEANING THE POLES

DOWNTOWN,
WASHING THE SIDEWALKS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING
WITH

CALIFORNIA MAIN

STREET, MAIN

STREET AMERICA, THE CHAMBER
AND

BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT
TO

SEE WHAT WE CAN GO TO VITALIZE
DOWNTOWN.

THEIR PERSON WILL BE COMING
OUT,

NOW THAT WE'VE DONE MEMBERSHIP,

THEY WILL BE MEETING WITH
THE

CHAMBER IN THE CITY AND WE
HAVE
ACCESS TO OTHER PORTALS.

WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO COMMUNITY
EVENTS.

AND -- TRYING TO REMEMBER IF I
FORGOT ANYTHING.

OH, WE ARE -- WE JUST

ORDERED

TWO OF THE FUN GARBAGE CANS FOR
IVES PARK.SO

I THINK

IT'S A BEAR AND A
FROG.

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YAY.

SO IT WILL
BE FOR THE KIDS.

WE ARE RUNNING INTO RIGHT E

ORDERING ISSUES WITH OUR
OTHER
GARBAGE CANS.

THAT IS COMING, SO WE'RE DOING
THAT.

WE HAVE TWO ANA LEE

INTERNS, SO

THAT WAS ONE OF OUR GOALS,
TWO

ANA LEE INTERNS THAT WILL
BE

WORKING FOR THE
CITY.

THEN WE'LL

BE -- OH, AND THIS IS
MY FUN THING, SORRY.

I KNOW IT JUST SEEMS WEIRD.

BUT WE'LL BE PLAYING IN
THE

GAZEBO PILLARS FOR HOLIDAY
COLORS.

SO WE'LL BE DOING HALLOWEEN,
AND
THEN WE'LL BE DOING HOLIDAYS.

SO WE'LL LIVEN UP THE DOWNTOWN.

SO THOSE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS
OF
THE GOALS.

I'M SUPER PROUD OF ALL THE
GOALS
WE BEGIN TO ACCOMPLISH.

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I'M SUPER PROUD OF CITY
STAFF

THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO
ALL

OF THIS IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF
TIME.

WE ARE ALL HERE TO ANSWER
ANY
QUESTIONS OR PROVIDE FEEDBACK.

I JUST HAVE TO SAY I'M
JUST

BLOWN AWAY BY ALL OF THE
THINGS
THAT WE ASKED YOU TO DO.

EVERYTHING THAT YOU

COMPLETED

AND YOU ALWAYS DO IT WITH SUCH
STYLE AND GRACE.

SO THANK YOU.

AND ALSO TO EVERYONE.

ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS.

ALL
AMAZING.

SO, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT.

AND I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP
TO

ANY QUESTIONS THAT MY

COLLEAGUES

HAVE BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC
COMMENT.

COUNCILMEMBER
RAMON.

SO PLEASED

WITH HOW YOU HAVE

BEEN FOCUSED ON GETTING
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THESE
GOALS DONE FOR US.

I'M SO -- LIKE THE MAYOR
JUST
SAID, HE WAS BLOWN AWAY.

I ALSO FEEL THAT WAY.

I FEEL SO GRATEFUL.

AND I JUST THINK YOU'RE DOING
A
STELLAR JOB.

JUST LIKE YOU DO AS A CITY

CLERK.

MY WORD FOR YOU WAS STELLAR,
AND

YOU'VE TAKEN THAT SAME

STELLAR

WORK INTO THE INTERIM CITY
MANAGER.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FORFOR

FOCUS AND CONCENTRATION AND
FOR

ALL YOUR WORK THAT YOU'VE
DONE

TO GET THESE GOALS TAKEN CARE
OF.

AND REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD
THE

FACILITATOR HERE, I THINK HE
WAS

ADVISING US TO KEEP OUR
GOALS
LIST VERY SHORT.

AND WE DIDN'T.

AND YOU'VE DONE SO MUCH OF IT.

SO I'M SO GRATEFUL.

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AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT CITY
STAFF.

AND ALSO, I JUST WANT TO SAY
THE

COUNCIL HAS ALSO STEPPED IN
AND

HELPED WITH THESE PROJECTS AS
WELL.

SO THESE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN
DONE

WITHOUT A JOINT TEAM
EFFORT.

SO THE COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF.

AND ALWAYS VERY GRACIOUS, AS
WELL.

OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO
TO
PUBLIC COMMENT?
COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?

I'M DEFINITELY GO TEAMS
SEBASTOPOL.

THANK YOU, TEAM EVERYBODY.

EVEN THE CITIZENS.

YOU CAN SEE IT.

YOU CAN SEE, LIKE, THE
TOWN'S
LOOKING NICE.

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AND YOU KNOW, THE
BUDGET.

I DON'T KNOW,

THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT'S FALLING APART.

JUST KIDDING, JUST KIDDING.

NO, WE'RE SUPER STOKED BY
EVERYTHING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I DON'T
KNOW WHAT THESE 12

THINGS ARE, BUT I CAN'T --
I
DON'T
KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.

EVEN COULD BE.

ARE THEY -- WHAT ARE WE MISSING
HERE?
YOU'RE DOING SO MUCH.

AFTER WE GO TO PUBLIC

COMMENT, IF I CAN GO THROUGH

THEM REALLY QUICK, I CAN
TELL
YOU WHAT THOSE 12
ARE.

WE DON'T WANT TO GO THERE,
WE

JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ALL
THE
GOOD STUFF.

I'M CURIOUS

ABOUT THE AVOID
THE BUILDERS REMEDY.

AND WE DON'T HAVE PLANNING
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DIRECTOR, PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S

SHORT-STAFFED, AND I
HAVE

CONCERNS ABOUT
THAT.

YEAH, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT

WE ARE MAKING STILL

ADEQUATE

PROGRESS ON ALL THE THINGS
WE

SAID WE WERE

GOING TO DO IN OUR
HOUSING ITEM.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN
THAT

THE CITY HAS NOT

DECERTIFIED

HOUSING ELEMENTS BECAUSE

JURISDICTIONS ARE A

LITTLE BIT
LATE ON SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS.

THEY'VE TAKEN ACTION, TO THE

EXTENT THEY HAVE --

JURISDICTIONS JUST IGNORE THEM
COMPLETELY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS
OR

QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO
PUBLIC
COMMENT?

SEEING NONE, MARY, PUBLIC
COMMENT?
THANK YOU.

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SO THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT
FOR
THE GOALS UPDATE?
OH, SORRY.

YEAH, VICE MAYOR -- I LOOK UP

THERE, BUT I DON'T SEE A
HAND,

SO I'M NOT
SURE.

SORRY.

I PUT MY ACTUAL HAND UP INSTEAD.

SORRY, MISSED ALL
OF THAT.

NO, IT'S OKAY.

I JUST -- JUST THRILLED WITH
THE
JOB THAT MARY'S BEEN DOING.

I MEAN, STELLAR.

SO MANY DIFFERENT WORDS.

BUT BRINGING VIBRANCY TO THE

CITY, AND SHE BRINGS IT TO THE

ROLE THAT SHE'S IN
RIGHT NOW.

JUST TRULY APPRECIATE HER.

THANK YOU.

OH, SORRY, NOW BACK TO THE
CLERK POSITION.

THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
ON
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THE QUARTERLY GOALS UPDATE.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT, I WILL COME INTO
CHAMBERS FIRST.

SEEING NONE -- OH, PLEASE.

WAYNE STANFIELD
HERE.

AND

I'VE BEEN COMING TO THESE
CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR YEARS.

AND IT IS OBVIOUS TO ME
THAT

MARY IS THE FOUNDATION AND
THETHE

OF GETTING THINGS DONE
IN
THIS CITY.

SO WHY NOT MAKE HER THE
CITY

MANAGER INSTEAD OF THE

INTERIM
CITY MANAGER?
I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.

I'LL SEND YOU A BILL AT

THE END
OF THE MONTH, MARY.

THANKS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR

COMMENTS
IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM.

IF THERE'S ANYONE ON ZOOM
THAT

WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
PUBLIC
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COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND
VIRTUALLY.

SEEING NONE, I WILL COME
BACK
INTO CHAMBERS.

IF
THERE'S ANYONE IN HAMBERS?

SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS
CLOSED.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

AND THAT WAS THE END OF
OUR

INFORMATIONAL ITEMS SO WE JUST
RECEIVE AND FILE.

NOW MOVING ON TO OUR

REGULAR

CALENDAR --

I'M SORRY, I WAS GOING TO
TRY

TO ADDRESS COUNCILMEMBER
CARTER'S?
OR

DID YOU WANT ME TO EMAIL YOU
WHAT THEY ARE?
OKAY.

JUST EMAIL ME.

ANYWAY.

ON TO THE REGULAR CALENDAR
AGENDA ITEMS.

NUMBER 12, CONSIDERATION
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OF

DIRECTION TO STAFF TO REVIEW AND

PREPARE UPDATES TO

FORMULA

BUSINESS ORDINANCE AND PROVIDE

DIRECTION TO STAFF REGARDING
THE

DEVELOPMENT OF CURATED

PLAN FOR

THE DESIRED VISION OF THE
CITY'S
DOWNTOWN.

AND THE RESPONSIBLE PLANNING --

THE RESPONSIBLE DEPARTMENT
IS
PLANNING DIRECTOR.

AND I'M TURNING IT OVER TO --
IT

LOOKS LIKE ALEX IS LEANING
IN.

YES,

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND
COUNCILMEMBERS.

SO, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS
A
FORMULA BUSINESS ORDINANCE.

THAT'S A FANCY WAY OF SAYING AN

ORDINANCE THAT

REGULATES CHAIN
STORES.

IT APPLIES IN DOWNTOWN.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TIMES OF

BUSINESSES, LIKE HOTELS,
THAT

ARE EXPLICITLY
PROHIBITED.CHAIN

STORES THAT ARE

EXPLICITLY
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PROHIBITED IN DOWN UP TO.

BUT THE REST OF

FORMULA

BUSINESSES AND CHAIN
STORES

REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH.

AND OVER THE LAST FEW

MONTHS,

YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN --

REVIEWING THE ORDINANCE,
FOUND

SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT
MAYBE
NEED SOME TWEAKING OR UPDATING.

AND SO WE'RE ASKING

DIRECTION

FROM THE COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH REVIEWING THAT.

SEEING IF, YOU KNOW --

LEARNING

FROM OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES
THAT

HAVE ONE ABOUT WHAT MIGHT WORK,
CHAINS.

AS THE STAFF REPORT SAYS, I WANT

TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT
A

COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE TO IT
OR

MAKING A MOVE TO ALLOW CHAIN
STORES IN DOWNTOWN.

I KNOW THERE WAS A

NEWSPAPER
ARTICLE WITH A BOLD HEADLINE.

BUT AS THE STAFF REPORT
SAYS,
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THIS IS JUST ABOUT MAKING

LIMITED AND FOCUSED UPDATES,
RIGHT?

FOR EXAMPLE, DO WE
HAVE

DEFINITIONS THAT ARE VAGUE
THAT
NEED TO BE CLARIFIED?

OR ARE THERE SUBJECTIVE

ELEMENTS

THAT MAYBE WE COULD PUT
INTO

SOME OBJECTIVITY SO THAT IT
IS

EASIER FOR THE CITY TO

ENFORCE
THIS ORDINANCE?
AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE

ASKING FOR
YOU TONIGHT.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY SORT
OF

DIRECTION TO DO A

COMPREHENSIVE
UPDATE ON THE ORDINANCE.

AND OF COURSE, EVEN
THESE

MINORITY UPDATES GO THROUGH THE

PLANNING COMMISSION AND

BACK TO

THE CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW AND

ADOPTION, IF THAT'S WHAT THE
COUNCIL DESIRES.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS FOR MY COUNCILMEMBER
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CARTER?
THANK YOU FOR THAT.

BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T KIND
OF

UNDERSTAND
THIS.

THIS ONE, I THOUGHT

WE WERE
THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP
THE

INTENTION OF THE CURRENT POLICY,

BUT JUST MAKE SURE THAT
IT'S

WORDED IN A WAY THAT ISIS
BEST

FOR THE CITY AND LOOK
AT

OTHER -- IT'S MORE OF A LANGUAGE
AND ENGINEERING?
CORRECT.

AND THEN WE WILL BRING THOSE

OPTIONS BACK, YOU KNOW, TO
THE

PLANNING NING COMMISSION AND THE
CITY
COUNCIL.

COUNCILMEMBER BAHHER?

THE GOAL IS TO STRENGTHEN THE
ORDINANCE?
CORRECT.

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IT WOULD NEED TO GO TO THE
PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST?

BECAUSE IT'S IN THE ZONING

CODE, IT NEEDS TO GO TO

PLANNING

COMMISSION FOR OUR
RECOMMENDATION.

BUT THE CITY COUNCIL IS
STILL
THE
DECISIONMAKER.

HOW

MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK

THIS WILL TAKE OF
YOUR TIME?

AND HOW LONG OF A PROCESS WOULD
THIS BE?
IN YOUR MIND.

I THINK IN CONVERSATIONS
WITH

MARY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T
EXPECT
IT TO TAKE VERY LONG.

WE'D LIKE TO

MOVE QUICKER RATHER
THAN LATER WITH THIS.

SO I WOULD IMAGINE MY TIME --

U.N. TEN HOURS AS A VERY ROUGH
ESTIMATE.

THANK YOU.

AND I THINK I SAW IN THE
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REPORT,

THE LAST TIME THIS HAS
BEEN
LOOKED AT WAS 2017, 2018?
I THINK 2018.

YEAH,
2018.

SO IT'S BEEN A MINUTE, OKAY.

OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO
PUBLIC COMMENTS?
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?

WELL, YOU SAY THAT IT'S
GOING

TO MOVE ALONG QUICKLY, BUT
MY

EXPERIENCE WITH

PLANNING

COMMISSION IS THEY HAVE
THEIR
OWN WORK PLANS.

SO IS THIS GOING

TO GO IN FRONT
OF SOMETHING?

OR, I MEAN -- BECAUSE
I'M

JUST -- AND I'M ALSO WONDERING
WHY NOW?
THE RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM 2

SAYS TO EXPLORE THE DEVELOPMENT

OF A VISION AND PLAN, WHICH

LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THERE

MIGHT BE CHANGES

PROPOSED VERSUS
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JUST UPDATES PROPOSED.

THE WAY I READ THE
AGENDA ITEM.

SO I'M KIND

OF CURIOUS ABOUT
THIS.

YEAH.

THERE -- APOLOGIES IF THAT WAS
CONFUSING.

I GUESS TO ANSWER THE
FIRST

QUESTION, A LOT OF THE PLANNING

COMMISSION'S -- MARY

CAN CORRECT

ME IF I'M WRONG -- A LOT OF THE

WORK PLAN HAS SORT OF BEEN
PUT

ON HOLD UNTIL SOMEONE IS ON

BOARD, A PLANNING DIRECTOR,
TO
COME ON BOARD TO DO THAT.

SO WE DON'T THINK THAT
THIS

WOULD KNOCK ANY OF THAT OFF OF

SCHEDULE, BECAUSE THAT'S SORT
OF
ALREADY PAUSED.

AND SO, FRANKLY, THEY HAVEN'T
HAD A MEETING IN A WHILE.

AND SO THIS -- WE DON'T THINK

THAT WOULD BE
AN ISSUE.

AND WE ARE NOT PROPOSING
ANY
MAJOR CHANGES.

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I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T DONE THOROUGH

REVIEW OF THE WHOLE

ORDINANCE
TOP TO BOTTOM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT
BEHIND
THIS IS, LET'S JUST LOOK AT IT.

WE DON'T WANT ANY UNINTENDED --

WE KNOW WHAT THE INTEND WAS,
AND

WE DON'T WANT TO -- THERE TO BE

ANY LOOPHOLES OR THINGS
LIKE
THAT IN THERE.

SO WE JUST WANT TO REVIEW
IT

AGAIN AND COME BACK TO THE
COUNCIL WITH THOSE PROPOSALS.

SO IF THEY'RE NOT

MEETING,

AND WE'RE WAITING FOR NEW COMMISSIONERS,
WHAT'S
YOUR

DESIGNATED TIME THAT THIS
WOULD
COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL?

AND YOU SAID IT DEFINITELY HAS

TO GO TO PLANNING

COMMISSION,

YOU CAN'T

JUST BRING IT STRAIGHT
TO US WITH UPDATES?

I THINK THE GOAL WOULD BE
TO

BRING IT TO THE PLANNING
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COMMISSION IN OCTOBER.

SO THEN BACK TO THE CITY

COUNCIL, DEPENDING ON HOW
THE

SCHEDULE WORKS AND THE AGENDA --
PROBABLY IN NOVEMBER.

OKAY.

GREAT.

OTHER QUESTIONS?
OTHER
PUBLIC COMMENT?
NOT SEEING ANY, PUBLIC COMMENT?
NK YOU, MAYOR.

THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT ON
THETHE

TO DRIVE

THE CITY

ATTORNEY TO UPDATE THE

FORMULA

BUSINESS ORDER NANCE

AND STAFF

REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF A

CURATED PLAN FOR THE CITY'
DOWNTOWN.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
PUBLIC COMMENT.

I WILL COME TO CHAMBER FIRST.

I WOULD JUST LIKE
TO

REITERATE THE QUESTION OF WHY,
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WHY NOW?
WHY IS

THIS BEING REVISITED AT
THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

NEXT, I WILL GO OUT TO
CHAMBERS.

OLIVER, CAN YOU UNMUTE

YOURSELF,
PLEASE?

UNMUTED,
YEAH.

CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
I CAN.

GO AHEAD.

A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT

FORMULA
BUSINESSES.

IT'S A VERY, VERY GENERAL TERM.

AND I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS
THAT

CITY OF SEBASTOPOL

DESPERATELY
NEEDS MORE SALES TAX.

AND COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.

WE HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF EMPTY
STOREFRONTS.

NOBODY WANTS TO SEE, HOW CAN
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I

PUT IT, DOLLAR STORES AND
THINGS

OPENING UP WHERE RITE AID
USED
TO BE OR WHATEVER.

BUT I WOULD ARGUE,
WE'RE

DESPERATE TO ATTRACT

QUALITY

FORMULA BUSINESSES WHICH
WOULD
ACTUALLY ENHANCE THE CITY.

SO I THINK THAT'S SUPER
IMPORTANT.

I KNOW HISTORIC ALLY, LAWSUITS

AND SO ON WHERE PEOPLE FOUGHT

TOOTH AND NAIL FOR BASICALLY
IN

MUCH BETTER ECONOMIC

TIMES TO
HAVE NO FORMULA BUSINESSES.

BUT MY POINT, WHOLE FOODS IS
A

FORMULA BUSINESS, NOBODY
SEEMS

TO BE STRESSED OUT ABOUT
THAT.

SO IS LUCKY.

JUST ONE OTHER POINT,

SOMEWHERE

LIKE HEALDSBURG, YOU
DRIVE

THROUGH THE TOWN SQUARE AND
IT'S

ALL LOCAL BUSINESSES,

WHICH I

KNOW A LOT OF THE LOCAL BUSINESS

OWNERS UNDERSTANDABLY

WANT TO
HAVE MORE LOCAL BUSINESSES.

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BUT IF YOU DRIVE PAST

HEALDSBURG
EAST FROM 101, YOU HIT ALL THE
LOCAL FORMULATYPE BUSINESSES

THAT ARE KIND OF HIDDEN
AROUND
THE BACK OF THE CITY.

ADMITTEDLY, IT'S A

LARGER PLACE
THAN HERE.

I JUST FEEL IT'S
REALLY

IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE

UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE
VERY

DIFFERENT TYPES OF FORMULA
BUSINESSES.

SO ANOTHER EXAMPLE, I KNOW A
LOT

OF PEOPLE WOULD LOVE A TRADER

JOE'S TO OPEN UP IN THE REDWOOD
MARKETPLACE.

I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAPPEN.

BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'D
HAVE

PEOPLE WITH

PLACARDS

DEMONSTRATING AGAINST TRADER

JOE'S, BUT YOU MIGHT DO

AGAINST
DOLLAR STORE.

JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT KIND
OF

IDEA OUT
THERE.

THANK
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YOU.

THANK YOU, OLIVER, FOR YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT.

NEXT, I WILL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN CHAMBERS?

SEEING NONE, I'LL GO BACK OUT
TO
ZOOM.

ROBERT, CAN YOU UNMUTE

YOURSELF,
PLEASE?

YES.

THANK YOU, CAN YOU SEE
THE
TIMER?

YES.

GREAT, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

YEAH, TWO COUNTS.

ONE, THE ONE CHALLENGE WITH
A

FORMULA BUSINESS ORDINANCE
IS,

FORMULA BUSINESSES TEND TO
BE

BETTER ORGANIZED, BETTER
CAPITALIZED, BETTER OPERATED.

AND MORE ENDURING.

THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT
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ARE

TYPICAL IN DOWNTOWN

SEBASTOPOL

ARE KIND OF MOM-AND-POP MISSES
AND ABOUT 80%, 90% FAIL

WITHIN A
COUPLE OF YEARS.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE

CHALLENGES

OF HAVING SO MANY

VACANCIES

DOWNTOWN IS THAT THESE
ARE

BUSINESSES THAT DON'T LAST VERY
LONG.

AND MAYBE THERE'S A WAY
OF

LOOKING AT A WAY OF BLENDING

THIS SOMEHOW TO GET A LITTLE
BIT

MORE CONTINUITYCONTINUITY YOUR
BUSINESSES.

THE SECOND QUESTION IS,

WHAT ARE

THE CURATED VISION
THING?
IT'S IN THE AGENDA.

IT WASN'T DISCUSSED, UNLESS I
BLINKED AND MISSED IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, ROBERT, FOR
YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT.

NEXT, I WILL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS.

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IF THERE'S ANYONE IN CHAMBERS

THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC
COMMENT?

SEEING NONE, I'LL GO BACK OUT
TO

ZOOM ONE LAST TIME, IF
YOU'D

LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT
ON

THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE
YOUR
HAND VIRTUALLY.

SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT
IS
CLOSED ON THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU.

BRINGING IT BACK UP TO THE
DAIS

FOR MY COLLEAGUES FOR

DISCUSSION

AND/OR MOTION, COUNCILMEMBER
HINTON?

I MEAN -- I WONDER WHY NOW,
TOO.

I DID VOTE FOR THIS ORDINANCE.

I WAS ON

THE DAIS WHEN IT WAS
PASSED.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE

PLANNING

COMMISSIONERS MEETING

REGULARLY
RIGHT NOW.

SO I DO WONDER WHYWHY -- I

BELIEVE
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WE DID SEE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS
FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN.

AND OBVIOUSLY FORMULA

BUSINESSES

GENERALLY ARE BIGGER

COMPANIES

AND CAN AFFORD TO LOSE MONEY ON

SOME PLACES AND CAN

USUALLY
SPEND MORE TO RENT BUILDINGS.

SO I JUST -- I MEAN, IF WE
THINK
WE NEED TO TIGHTEN THAT UP.

BUT I'LL JUST SAY IT TONIGHT.

I HAVE NO INCLINATION THAT I'M

GOING TO

VOTE TO ALLOW FORMULA

BUSINESSES IN OUR DOWN TOWN
CORRIDOR.

I'LL JUST SAY THAT FOR THE
RECORD.

IF WE NEED TO GO PER OUR

ATTORNEY'S ADVICE

TO TAKE A LOOK

AT THIS AND STRENGTHEN IT
UP,
MAKE SURE THAT ALL OUR Ts ARE
CROSSED AND Is ARE DOTTED.

IT HAS BEEN EIGHT YEARS.

BUT I JUST

WANT TO STATE THAT
PUBLICLY TONIGHT.

YES, I ALSO WANT TO
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STATE

PUBLICLY TOO, THE INTENT
BEHIND

BRINGING THIS FORWARD WAS

DEFINITELY NOT TO
HAVE

FORMULA -- ANY

FORMULA
BUSINESSES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

IT WAS TO HAVE IT REVIEWED, HAVE

DEFINITIONS BE FORMULAIZED,
AND

TIGHTEN THINGS UP

TO ELIMINATE
ANY LOOPHOLES.

SO I JUST WANT TO

STATE, THAT

WAS THE INTENT FOR PUSHING THIS
FORWARD.

OTHER COMMENTS FROM MY
COLLEAGUES?
I HAVE.

OH, I'M SORRY, VICE MAYOR,
YES.

LET'S GO WITH YOU FIRST, I'M
SORRY.

SORRY, I'VE BEEN WAVING MY
HAND.

THAT'S OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THE SAME
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THING.

NOT SUPPORTIVE OF BRINGING, YOU

KNOW, THESE LARGE

FORMULA
BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN.

I BELIEVE THE INTENT OF THIS
IS

ACTUALLY TO, YOU KNOW --
I
FORGET THE WORD YOU USED.

COUNCILMEMBER CARTER.

IT WAS BASICALLY JUST TO

STRENGTHEN SOME AREAS THAT MAYBE

WE DIDN'T CONSIDER WHEN IT
WAS

FIRST PUT INTO ACTION,

HOWEVER
MANY YEARS AGO.

SO I PERSONALLY JUST WANT
TO

MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT
THE

CITY ATTORNEY GOING BACK TO
REVISIT THIS.

I DON'T KNOW, MARY, DO YOU
WANT
TO DO THE WORDING?
OR DO I NEED TO?
YOU CAN DO THE WORDING.

I'M
SORRY.

I CAN DO THE WORDING.

BASICALLY, IT WOULD BE

DIRECTING

THE CITY ATTORNEY TO REVIEW
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AND

UPDATE THE FORMULA BUSINESS

ORDINANCE, AND IT WOULD NEED
TO

GO THROUGH THE

PLANNING

COMMISSION FIRST, THEN RETURN TO
THE CITY COUNCIL.

BEFORE WE GET A MOTION, CAN
I

JUST MAKE A

COMMENT REGARDING
THE CURATED PLAN?

SO THAT WAS BEING

BROUGHT

FORWARD AS FAR AS THE

PART OF
THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND SO I THINK THE

DIRECTION

WITH STAFF IS JUST REVIEWING
THAT.

HOW IT GOES IN PLAY WITH THE

S-STAT THAT'S COMING THROUGH AS
WELL.

I THINK THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE
ITEMS.

SO THEY'RE NOT -- I THINK IT
WAS

A LITTLE

WEIRD, THE WAY WE
BROUGHT IT TOGETHER.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO
ADD TO

THE MOTION DIRECTING STAFF TO

REVIEW THIS, BUT REVIEW IT IN
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CONTEXT WITH THE -- NOT THE
S-STAT.

THE SUSTAINABLE

TRANSPORTATION

GRANT THAT'S COMING THROUGH
DOWNTOWN.

THEN PROVIDE EXAMPLES OF WHAT
A

VIBRANCY PLAN WOULD LOOK
LIKE
FOR SPECIFIC AREAS.

AND THEN I BELIEVE THAT IS
WHAT

WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH
OUR

PLANNING DIRECTOR ABOUT, OR
OUR

PLANNING CONSULTANT COMING IN,

ABOUT HOW WE CAN VITALIZE --
HOW

WE CAN DO A VIBRANCY PLAN FOR

THE DOWNTOWN IN CONJUNCTION
WITH

THE SUSTAINABLE

FRIENDS

APPROPRIATION
GRANT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT

HELPS, BUT
IT WAS BASED ON THAT.

THEY WERE KIND OF COMING ALL

TOGETHER, AND THEY

SHOULDN'T
HAVE BEEN.

THANK YOU.

AND IF THE VICE MAYORMAYOR

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ACCEPTABLE WITH THE

AMENDMENTS

THAT MARY JUST STATED,

I'LL GO
AHEAD AND SECOND IT.

BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT
TO

SEND A MESSAGE THAT THAT
CUTS

OFF DISCUSS, BECAUSE
IT
DEFINITELY DOESN'T.

COUNCILMEMBER
BAUER.

I FOUND THAT THIS AGENDA
ITEM

WAS PRETTY AMBIGUOUS

AND KIND OF

VAGUE, AND I'M UNCOMFORTABLE
WITH THAT.

IT SEEMED TO ME TO CREATE
A

CURATED PLAN FOR THE DOWNTOWN
IS

KIND OF LIKE A COUNCIL GOAL THAT

MAYBE SHOULD COME BACK DURING

THE GOALS PROCESSPROCESS INSTEAD

ADDING ANOTHER TASK FOR THE
CITY

TO DO, SINCE WE

HAVE ALREADY SO
MANY THINGS GOING ON.

I GUESS -- I HEARD FROM
TWO

FORMER COUNCIL PEOPLE WHO
DIDN'T

SUPPORT THE IDEA OF REVISING

THIS ORDINANCE.

THEY HAD BEEN THROUGH THE
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PROCESS AND HAD A LOT
OF

COMMUNITY INPUT ON IT,

AND THEY
DIDN'T SUPPORT IT.

SO I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS
ABOUT
MOVING THIS FORWARD.

YEAH, THOSE ARE KIND OF MY
COMMENTS.

OKAY, SO THERE IS FURTHER
COMMENTS, DISCUSSION?

BECAUSE THERE IS A MOTION AND A
SECOND ON THE TABLE.

TO MY RIGHT, LOOKING TO
MY

LEFT --

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE --

WELL -- COULD YOU REPEAT THE
MOTION?

BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE --

I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT

WITH THIS
ITEM 2 THAT'S PART OF THE
AGENDA.

TO COME BACK WITH THIS VISION.

I'M FINE WITH STRENGTHENING THE

FORMULA BUSINESS ORDINANCE,
AND

IF IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE
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PLANNING COMMISSION, TO DO THAT.

AND THEN THROUGH CITY ATTORNEY.

BUT I'M NOT OKAY WITH
THIS
NUMBER 2, DIRECT STAFF TO WORK

TO EXPLORE THE DEVELOPMENT OF
A

VISION AND A PLAN FOR THE
CITY'S
DOWNTOWN.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT
I'M
VOTING FOR.

I'M NOT VOTING FOR THAT.

SO -- AND WE JUST CLARIFY THE
MOTION AND A SECOND?

SURE.

THEN OTHER PEOPLE CAN WEIGH

IN, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE
SURE

THAT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE
THIS
NUMBER 2 IN THIS AGENDA
ITEM.

OKAY.

SO

MAYOR, I THINK --

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT
IT

DOES INCLUDE THIS, SO I
WILL
VERIFY WITH THE VICE MAYOR.

THE MOTION -- CORRECT ME IF I'M
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WRONG -- THE MOTION IS TO
DIRECT

CITY STAFF OR THE CITY ATTORNEY

TO REVIEW AND UPDATE THE

FORMULA
BUSINESS ORDINANCE.

IT WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH
THE

PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE
IT
COMES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.

THEN TO PROVIDE -- TO
DIRECT

STAFF TO REVIEW A CURATED
PLAN
FOR THE DOWNTOWN.

QUOTE, WE WOULD BE BRINGING
BACK

A VIBRANCY PLAN, WHICH IS
WHAT

WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE FOUR

LEAF CONSULTANT AS PART OF
THETHE
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND THEN THAT WOULD BE
COMING

BACK THROUGH THE

PROCESS,

THROUGH THE PLANNING

COMMISSION,
AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL.

THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE
MOTION.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEPARATE THEM
BOTH?
I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

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OKAY.

TIMING-WISE WITH THE SECOND.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT

TIMING-WISE, HOW DOES
THAT

IMPACT IT COMING BACK
TO
PLANNING COMMISSION?
NUMBER ONE.

THE FORMULA ONE OR
THE --
IF WE DO BOTH.

HOW DOES

THAT --

THE VIBRANCY ONE WOULD BE --

THE FORMULA BUSINESS

ORDINANCE
WOULD COME FIRST.

THE VIBRANCY PLAN WOULD BE
DONE
AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE YEAR.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE COMING
BACK
RIGHT AWAY.

THEN I'M HAPPY WITH THAT

MOTION, THEN,

IF THEY'RE, YOU
KNOW -- GIVEN THAT TIMING.

I'M GOOD WITH 1 AND 2.

OKAY, AND I STILL SECOND IT.

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SO WITH NO FURTHER

DISCUSSION, I

GUESS WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
ROLL
CALL.
[ ROLL CALL ]

AS IT GOES THROUGH THE

PLANNING

COMMISSION AND RETURNING TO
THE
CITY COUNCIL.

DIRECTING STAFF TO REVIEW
THE

CURATED PLAN WITH THE DESIRED

VISION OF THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN

WITH EXAMPLE OF VIBRANCY

PLANS WITH

COMMISSION

DEVELOPMENT,
WHICH WAS NOT CLEARLY STATED.
[ ROLL CALL ARE ]

COUNCILMEMBER
HINTON.

I'M ABSTAINING, I DON'T
HAVE
ENOUGH
INFORMATION.

COUNCILMEMBER BAUER?
NO.

VICE MAYOR McLEWIS?

YES.

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MAYOR ZOLLMAN?

YES.

MOTION PASSES 3-1-1 WITH
CARTER, McLEWIS, AND ZOLLMAN IN

FAVOR, MAUER IN

OPPOSITION,
HINTON
ABSTAINING.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT
ITEM,
WHICH IS NUMBER 13, WHICH
IS

CONSIDERATION OF CITY COUNCIL

PROTOCOLS FOR START TIME
OF
CLOSED SESSIONS.

MEETINGS THE CITY COUNCIL
WILL

REQUEST A REQUEST FOR

PROPOSALS

FOR PROTOCOLS FOR ESTABLISHING
A

CLOSED SESSION START TIME OF
6:00 P.M. WITH EXCEPTIONS AS
NEEDED.

THE REQUESTER WAS COUNCILMEMBER

HINTON, AND YES, I ALSO SECOND

THAT, JUST TO HAVE THE
DISCUSSION.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
SURE.

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SO I -- PRIOR TO TWO YEARS AGO,

WE WOULD TYPICALLY POLL THE

COUNCIL AND ASK IF

EVERYBODY
COULD WORK OUT A CLOSED SESSION.

AND WE HAD THE CLOSED

SESSIONS
AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

SOMETIMES WE HAD THEM BEFORE
OUR

MEETINGS, REGULAR COUNCIL

MEETINGS, SOMETIMES AFTER
OUR

COUNCIL MEETINGS, SOMETIMES AT
5:00 IN THE EVENING, SOMETIMES
AT 6:00.

IT DEPENDED ON COUNCILMEMBERS,

AND IT DEPENDED ON

OUR EXPERTS
OR OUR LEGAL, ET CETERA.

A FEW YEARS AGO
WHEN

COUNCILMEMBER RICH WAS MAYOR, WE

STARTED MEETING IN CLOSED

SESSIONS MORE REGULARLY AT
5:00,

AND I WAS NOT WORKING AT THAT

TIME, AND SO THAT WAS OKAY
FOR
MY SCHEDULE.

AND I ACCOMMODATED THE

MAJORITY
OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS.

BUT RECENTLY, OUR CLERK ASKED
US
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TO HOLD MONDAYS OPEN AT 5:00
FOR
THE NEXT THREE MONTHS.

AND I'VE RECENTLY STARTED A JOB

THAT I WORK 8:00 TO 5:00.

AND I HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE
TIME

TO GET BACK TO THE CITY
OF

SEBASTOPOL WHERE THE

MEETINGS
WILL BE HELD.

SO I'M REQUESTING TO HAVE AN

REGULAR CONSISTENCY TO MEET
AT
6:00 UNLESS THERE'S AN
EXCEPTION.

JUST LIKE TONIGHT, I
WAS

AVAILABLE TO ACTUALLY START
THIS

MEETING SOONER, AND I DID --

WHEN WE DID
THE POLL SAY YES.

SO OCCASIONALLY I CAN START AT
5:00.

BUT ON A REGULAR BASIS,
IT'S

VERY DIFFICULT FOR SOMEBODY
THAT

HOLDS A MOD THROUGH FRIDAY

REGULAR-HOUR JOB DOWN TO GET
HERE BY 6:00.

SO I UNDERSTOOD THERE WAS A
POLL
TAKEN.

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IT WASN'T CLEAR WHAT WAS GOING
TO
HAPPEN.

SO I REQUESTED AT THE LAST

REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TO BRING

THIS AGENDA FORWARD FOR MY

COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER.

I THINK I WOULD BE NOT
AS

EFFECTIVE AS AN ELECTED

OFFICIAL

IF I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE

MAJORITY

OF CLOSED SESSIONS DUE
TO MY EMPLOYMENT.

THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS FROM COLLEAGUES
BEFORE
WE GO OUT TO PUBLIC COMMENT?

THIS TIME I'M LOOKING OUT FOR

YOU, VICE MAYOR, I DID SEE YOUR

HAND, AND I SEE COUNCILMEMBER
CARTER'S.

VICE MAYOR?

I WONDERED FROM THE STAFF

PERSPECTIVE, MARY, ARE THERE

CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH
SETTING ONE PARTICULAR TIME?

FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE,
FROM
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OUR -- YOU KNOW, ALL THE
DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES, ET CETERA.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

ARE THERE UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES?
SO THERE'S PROS AND CONS.

THERE'S PROS WITH SETTING A

DEFINITIVE TIME, BECAUSE WHEN

WE'RE TRYING TO SCHEDULE FOR

OUTSIDE LEGAL OR, YOU
KNOW,
CONSULTANTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

HAVING THAT IN A SCHEDULE
IS
GOOD.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE GOING TO
BE

CLOSED SESSIONS, JUST AS
STATED

IN THE REPORT, WHERE
THE

EXCEPTIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, IF WE

HAVE ATTORNEYS THAT NEED TO
COME
DURING THE DAY.

IF I HAVE

NEGOTIATORS THAT ARE

COMING FROM OUT OF TOWN THAT
NEED TO ATTEND A CLOSED SESSION.

IF WE HAVE CITY MANAGER
INTERVIEWS.

THAT MAY NEED TO BE DONE
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DURING
THE DAY.

RECRUITING FIRMS THAT IF
WE
START AT 6:00 AND WE HAVE
FIVE,

THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US TILL
MIDNIGHT.

SO THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A

SET TIME,

BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS
TO

BE -- IF THERE IS GOING TO BE
AN

EXCEPTION, WE NEED TO HAVE A
POLICY FOR THE EXCEPTION.

SO HOW THOSE EXCEPTIONS
ARE
GOING TO WORK.

SO WE COULD START WITH 6:00.

BUT THE EXCEPTIONS ARE

GOING TO

BE -- YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE
THAT

CAME UP LAST TIME IS, WE
COULD

NOT GET UNANIMOUS -- EVERYONE TO

AGREE ON A TIME, WHICH

HAS LED

US TO THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE
IN NOW.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING

THAT IF

THERE IS A SET TIME THAT
THERE

BE A POLICY IN PLACE AS TO
HOW,

IF WE HAVE TO
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CHANGE IT, THOSE
CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE MADE.

GREAT.

OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MY
COLLEAGUES?
COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?

SO NOW I ACTUALLY -- NOW
I

ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THE

PROBLEM
WITH BEING FLEXIBLE.

BECAUSE I'M ALL FOR BEING

FLEXIBLE, AND ACCOMMODATING,
AND

KEEPING LIKE -- NO POLICY FOR
ME

IS BETTER, BECAUSE THEN -- BUT I

THINK, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET

THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO
DEFER
TO ACCOMMODATING WHEN POSSIBLE?
YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THAT.

BUT FOR ME, IT'S LIKE

DIFFICULT

TO LIKE REALLY DRILL IT
IN,

BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE
SO
MANY EXCEPTIONS.

I DON'T CARE.

CAN I ADDRESS THAT?

WE HAVE DONE INTERVIEWS,
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OBVIOUSLY, FOR CITY

MANAGERS
DURING THE DAY.

AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE
MEETINGS.

AND ALSO DO THE INTERVIEWS AS

THE EXCEPTION.

THE EXCEPTIONS ARE
THE
EXCEPTIONS.

BUT AS A RULE OF THUMB, I
THINK

THIS AGENDA ITEM IS ASKING FOR
6:00 TO BE THE RULE OF THUMB.

BECAUSE OF A WORK

COMMITMENT,

NOT JUST

BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'D
RATHER HAVE IT EARLIER.

WE ALL HAVE THINGS IN OUR LIFE.

BUT I'M JUST ASKING FOR

THAT TO

BE THE RULE, AND THEN THE

EXCEPTIONS ARE

OBVIOUS AND WE
ALL TRY TO WORK AROUND THEM.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS?

VICE MAYOR.

SORRY, VICE MAYOR?

I'M JUST WONDERING
WITH
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CLOSED SESSION, I'M

ASSUMING
IT'S THE SAME EVERYWHERE.

IF WE DID A SET TIME AND THEN
WE

DIDN'T HAVE FULL CONSENSUS,
THEN

WE WOULD END UP HAVING TO
LOOK
AT OTHER TIMES ANYWAY?

IS THAT -- IF WE DIDN'T

HAVE AT
LEAST THREE PEOPLE AT 6:00 P.M.

AVAILABLE, THEN WE WOULD
BE
FORCED TO LOOK AT OTHER TIMES?

OR HOW -- WHERE WOULD THIS

LEAVEUS
IF WE HAVE A POSSIBLY?LICY?

IF WE HAD A POLICY OF
6:00

AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A

QUORUM, WE

COULDN'T HOLD THE CLOSED
SESSION.

OKAY.

NO OTHER QUESTIONS?
WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

YOU KNOW, SINCE WE'VE BEEN

ELECTED, WE USED TO
HAVE
MEETINGS AT 6:00.

THE FIRST
YEAR.

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AND THE NEXT YEAR, THEY
WERE
SOMETIMES AT 5:00, SOMETIMES
5:30, SOMETIMES AT 6:00.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING, WHY NOW?
WHY ISN'T THIS EASY?

I MEAN, I WAS HONESTLY

SURPRISED

THAT IT HAD TO BECOME A AGENDA
ITEM.

BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IN THE --

I GUESS ALMOST THREE YEARS
I'VE

BEEN ON COUNCIL, IT'S ALWAYS
BEEN WORKED OUT.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I CAN ONLY TELL YOU MY
POINT
OF
VIEW.

SO WHEN I TRY TO SCHEDULE A

CLOSED SESSION, I DO, AS
WE'VE

DONE IN THE PAST, TRY TO --
I

REACH OUT TO ALL, AND I
TRY TO
GET UNANIMOUS SUPPORT.

BECAUSE THERE ARE

KEY ISSUES

THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN
A
CLOSED SESSION.

AND SO

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE ALL
COUNCILMEMBERS THERE.

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SO IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO
GET

A UNANIMOUS TO AGREE ON ONE
TIME.

SO WE'VE HAD

TO GO BACK AND

FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH
AND

BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO

SCHEDULE CLOSED SESSIONS

WITHOUT
-- AND NOT GETTING
UNANIMOUS.

SO I'M GUESSING IT CAME TO THIS

POINT, AND I WOULD HAVE TO
HAVE

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON TO

ADDRESS
WHY
NOW.

BUT IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT

RECENTLY TO SCHEDULE
CLOSED
SESSIONS WITH UNANIMOUS.

AND AGAIN, I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE
THAT.

BECAUSE I HAVE

NEGOTIATIONS
COMING UP.

WE HAVE RECRUITING FIRMS COMING
UP.

WE HAVE LITIGATION.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF
KEY

CLOSED SESSIONS GOING TO BE
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COMING UP, AND THERE'S

A LOT OF

THE CLOSED SESSIONS GOING TO BE

COMING UP BECAUSE OF
BARGAINING.

IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S ANY

ISSUES, WE GET DIRECTION
FROM
STAFF OR FROM COUNCIL.

SO I WOULD -- AGAIN, I'M
GOING

TO GO BACK TO -- I WOULD PREFER
A POLICY.

EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE A STARTING

TIME, A POLICY AS TO IF WE GET
THREE, DO I SCHEDULE IT?

THEN CORRECT ME IF I'M
WRONG,

THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD BE
ABLE

FROM THE CLOSED SESSION TO DO A

ONE-WAY COMMUNICATION TO THE

CITY COUNCIL

RECAPPING WHAT HAD
HAPPENED IN CLOSED SESSION.

YEAH, I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT
IT
IS TO SCHEDULE THINGS.

SO I CAN SEE WHY, LIKE
SOME,

WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT, LIKE
A

REGULAR MEETING WOULD BE HELPFUL

FOR YOU TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO
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DO.

AND IF YOU'RE ABLE TO FORM
A

POLICY ON WHAT THE

EXCEPTIONS

WOULD BE, I'D BE HAPPY TO, YOU

KNOW, HAVE

YOU MAKE THAT, YOU
KNOW, WHATEVER YOU NEED.

I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT.

SO, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT
THE

EXCEPTIONS ARE BECAUSE A LOT
OF

IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON
WHO

WOULD BE ATTENDING THOSE CLOSED
SESSIONS.

SO WHAT ELSE AT LEGAL, WHAT

NEGOTIATORS, WHAT RECRUITING
FIRMS.

SO, YOU KNOW, TO

PINPOINT

EXCEPTIONS I THINK WOULD BE
DIFFICULT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER
TO

JUST HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS --

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF

THREE ARE AVAILABLE, WE CAN
HOLD
A CLOSED SESSION.

IF YOU WANT TO SAY FOUR
ARE
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AVAILABLE.

I MEAN, I NEED A POLICY.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

OKAY.

ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS
BEFORE
WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT
I'M

FINE WITH THAT, BUT THE --
ARE

YOU GOING TO PROVIDE SOME

GUIDANCE FOR US TO

UNDERSTAND

WHAT YOUR HOPEFUL

POLICY WOULD
BE ON THAT?

OR IS IT JUST GOING TO REMAIN
OPEN, WHICH IS ALSO FINE?
I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE
IS

TO HAVE IT CLEAR TONIGHT IF
WE'RE GOING TO DO A POLICY.

THE DIRECTION TO STAFF WOULD
BE,

IF I HAVE THREE

COUNCILMEMBERS

WHEN THERE'S AN EXCEPTION,
THAT
WOULD BE A POLICY.

IF WE ANTICIPATE A SHORT CLOSED
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SESSION, LIKE WE CAN SCHEDULE IT
AT 6:00, BUT IF WE THINK
IT'S

GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN TWO

HOURS, WE SCHEDULE IT AT
AN
EARLIER TIME.

THOSE ARE TYPES OF -- I'M
NOT

ASKING TO ADOPT A POLICY

TONIGHT, BUT THOSE ARE

THOUGHTS

WE WOULD BE BRINGING
BACK.

ALEX, YOU LOOK

LIKE --

YOU CAN LEAVE IT --

IT COULD

BE THE MEETING TIME IS
THE

REGULAR MEETING TIME FOR CLOSED
SESSIONS, 6:00 P.M., BUT
THE

CITY MANAGER CAN ADJUST THE TIME

IF NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE

SCHEDULING AND CONTENT MATTERS.

SOMETHING VERY BROAD.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY SHE'S
NOT

GOING TO RESCHEDULE IT IF
YOU

CAN'T GET THREE PEOPLE TO
COMMIT

TO SHOWING
UP.

ADDITIONAL

QUESTIONS BEFORE
WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
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LOOKING TO MY LEFT, LOOKING
TO

MY RIGHT, SEEING NONE, PUBLIC
COMMENT?

THIS IS PUBLIC

COMMENT FOR

THE STARTING TIMES ON A CLOSED
SESSION.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT, I COME TO IN CHAMBERS
FIRST.

SEEING NONE, I WILL GO OUT TO
ZOOM.

KYLE, CAN YOU UNMUTE

YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
YES, I
CAN.

THANK YOU.

CAN YOU SEE IT TIMER?
YES, I
CAN.

GREAT, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

IT'S INTERESTING TO HAVE
THIS

KIND OF COME AFTER SOME RECENT

CONVERSATIONS
ABOUT
COUNCILMEMBER ATTENDANCE.

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COUNCILMEMBER PARTICIPATION.

AND YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE WHO'S

LOOKED OVER ALL OF THE CLOSED

SESSION ATTENDANCES, BECAUSE, OF

COURSE, YOU KNOW --

COUNCIL

DOESN'T ACTUALLY REPORT

OUT WHAT

HAPPENED IN CLOSED

SESSION, SO

IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO
HEAR

THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER MAKE
A

REFERENCE TO THE

ATTORNEY
REPORTING OUT.

BECAUSE THAT JUST DOESN'T
HAPPEN.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT
HAPPENING.

I LOOK FORWARD TO GREATER

TRANSPARENCY AND KNOWING
MORE

ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
CLOSED
SESSION.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A HUGE BURDEN.

IT'S A GIANT LIFT THAT
THESE

COUNCILMEMBERS ARE TAKING ON
BY

HAVING THESE REPEATED
CLOSED
SESSIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING.

AND THERE ARE COUNCILMEMBERS
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THAT REGULARLY DON'T ATTEND
THESE CLOSED SESSIONS.

AND THAT'S OKAY.

IT'S OKAY THAT THOSE

COUNCILMEMBERS AREN'T THERE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S

GREAT IF
YOU CAN HAVE THAT.

BUT DON'T CODIFY A POLICY
THAT'S

GOING TO RESTRICT THE ABILITY
OF
THE CITY TO DO WORK.

THE CITY'S GOING TO DO THAT
WORK.

IF ANYTHING, TRY PUTTING
FOCUS

INTO NOT BEING LITIGATED
AGAINST.

NOT PUTTING YOURSELVES
IN

SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE TO

REPEATEDLY GO BACK INTO CLOSED
SESSION.

TRY TO BE EFFECTIVE, TRY TO BE

EFFICIENT, TRY TO DO IT IN
WAYS

THAT MINIMIZE THE BOTH

EXPENSE

TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE

INVOLVED

THAT HAVE TO GET TOGETHER, AND

ALSO, JUST
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THE EXPENSE TO THE
COMMUNITY.

I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A POLICY.

I JUST THINK YOU NEED TO BE
EFFECTIVE.

THANKS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PUBLIC
COMMENT.

NEXT, I WILL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN

CHAMBERS

THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
PUBLIC
COMMENT?

SEEING NONE, I'LL GO BACK OUT
TO
ZOOM.

MARY, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
YES.

THANK YOU.

CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
YES.

GREAT.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF IT
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CHANGED FROM 5:00 TO
6:00,

WOULDN'T IT BE COSTING THE CITY
MORE MONEY?

AND THEN, LIKE MARY, YOU WOULD
HAVE TO STAY THERE UNTIL 6:00.

AND IT SEEMS THAT A LOT
OF

PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE CITY,
IF

THEY'RE PART OF THIS, WOULD HAVE

TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE GET OFF
WORK
AT 5:00

AND THEN STAY THERE
UNTIL 6:00.

SO I'M WONDERING ABOUT WHAT THAT
WOULD COST THE CITY.

THANK YOU.

NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN CHAMBERS?

SEEING NONE, I'LL GO BACK
ONE
LAST TIME TO ZOOM.

IF THERE'S ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT

WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT ON THE START TIME
FOR

CLOSED SESSIONS, PLEASE RAISE
YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY.

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SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS
CLOSED.

THANK YOU, MARY.

BRINGING IT BACK TO
MY
COLLEAGUES FOR DISCUSSION?

SO WE'VE HEARD FROM

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON THAT
SHE'S

ASKING FOR THE
6:00 P.M. START
TIME BECAUSE OF WORK.

BUT I SEE ON THE DISCUSSION
HERE

THAT THE AGENDA REVIEW

COMMITTEE
IS ASKING FOR THE 5:00 P.M.

START TIME.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM

THEM

IN TERMS OF WHY THEY WANT
IT AT 5:00.

I CAN LEAN IN.

I DIDN'T SEE THE FACT THAT WE

WERE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR
5:00.

MY OWN PERSONAL BELIEF IS
I'D

WANT TO DO WHATEVER'S GOING
TO

MAKE MARY'S LIFE EASIER,
AND

WHATEVER POLICY SHE WOULD
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LIKE

TO HAVE DRAFTED TO MAKE HER
LIFE

EASIER, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING
TO
VOTE ON TONIGHT.

VICE MAYOR, DO YOU WANT ME TO
ANSWER?

OR CAN I JUMP IN --

OR DO YOU
WANT TO TALK FIRST?
GO
AHEAD.

SO, I THINK THE PHILOSOPHY

WHEN WE HAD DISCUSSED IT, IT

MAYBE WASN'T CLEAR, MY
APOLOGIES.

WE HAD STATING STAYING WITH
THE
CURRENT TIME THAT WE HAD NOW.

SO IN THE PAST YEAR, STATED
BY

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, WE HAD
SET
5:00 ASIDE.

WE HAD ASKED ON MONDAYS
TO

PLEASE SET IT ASIDE BASED
UPON

IF WE NEEDED A CLOSED SESSION
OR

NOT, BECAUSE THAT WAS EASIER
SCHEDULING.

SO THAT WAS WHY WE PUT THAT
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FORWARD, BECAUSE

WE THOUGHT WE

WOULD CONTINUE WITH THE SAME
TIME.

OKAY, YEAH.

IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT
SAYS

THAT THE AGENDA REVIEW COMMITTEE
REQUESTED A 5:00 P.M. START
TIME.

WE WERE REQUESTING
WHAT

STATED OR WHAT IT WAS
ORIGINALLY.

WHAT WE HAVE CONTINUED TO DO
IN
THE PAST.

THAT WAS THE
CONVERSATION.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THERE ARE OTHER

DISCUSSIONS
AND/OR MOTIONS?
COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?
YEAH, GO AHEAD, JOE.

VICE MAYOR?

SO FOR ME

PERSONALLY,
FLEXIBILITY IS EASIER FOR ME.

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I HAVE A JOB -- I HAVE
WORK

OBLIGATIONS IN THE EVENING
AND

DURING THE
DAY.

SO HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY,
I
WANT TO MAKE MARY'S JOB EASIER.

I WORRY ABOUT SETTING
ONE

SPECIFIC TIME EVEN IF IT IS
5:00
OR 6:00.

SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE

UNINTENDED

CONSEQUENCES OF, YOU KNOW, ALL

THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT
MARY
HAS OUTLINED.

SO PERSONALLY, MORE

FLEXIBILITY

IS EASIER FOR ME JUST BECAUSE
OF

MY OWN JOB SITUATION, BECAUSE
WE

HAVE NETWORKING

EVENTS AT NIGHT
AND SUCH.

SO PERSONALLY, I'M NOT

IN FAVOR
OF SETTING A SPECIFIC TIME.

BUT PERHAPS DOING WHAT MARY HAD
SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW.

HAVING THE QUORUM AS A STARTING

POINT, WHETHER IT'S THREE,
FOUR,
WHATEVER.

BUT AT THIS POINT, THAT'S WHERE
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I'M AT.

OKAY.

COUNCILMEMBER CARTER, I CUT
YOU
OFF THERE.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

BECAUSE I'M IN THE MAYOR'S
CAMP,

WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO
YOU.

NOW EVEN TO MAKE A MOTION TO,
LIKE, YOU CAN DECIDE.

I WOULD SECOND THAT.

BUT CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS.

I DON'T WANT TO BE

PERCEIVED AS
CUTTING OFF DISCUSSIONS.

SO LET ME BE CLEAR.

IT'S MARY WHO ASKED ME AND
SAID

IT WOULD BE EASIER TO HAVE A
POLICY.

SO THE POLICY FOR OUT OF --
I

THINK IT'S NINE YEARS ON
THE

COUNCIL NOW, IT WAS MORE OFTEN
MOVED AROUND OR AT 6:00
OR
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BEFORE MEETINGS UNTIL MAYOR
RICH
SET IT AT 5:00.

AND I ACCOMMODATED, WAS ABLE TO

ACCOMMODATE, BECAUSE I WAS IN

SEBASTOPOL AND HOME AND ABLE TO
ATTEND.

I TRY TO ACCOMMODATE
MY

COLLEAGUES WHEN THEY
HAVE

CARPOOL IN THE MORNING OR OTHER

THINGS WHEN I CAN.

BUT I CURRENTLY NOW HAVE A

MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY

JOB, AND

SO HOW THIS CAME DOWN IS WE
HAD
A CLOSED SESSION AT 5:00.

I SAID, YES, I WILL BE THERE.

AND THEN AN EMAIL WENT OUT THATTHAT
SAID, SAVE THE NEXT 12 WEEKS AT
5:00.

AND I

SAID, I CAN'T POSSIBLY
COMMIT TO THAT.

WITH A NEW JOB.

I JUST CAN'T.

SO WHAT CAN YOU DO?
MARY SEE, I'LL TAKE A VOTE.

THEN IT WAS UNCLEAR THAT
THE
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VOTE WAS GOING TO CHANGE IT.

SO I BROUGHT IT FORTH AS
AN
AGENDA ITEM.

SO THAT'S HOW IT GOT HERE.

I'M ALL FOR FLEXIBILITY.

BUT I'M ALSO FOR
PREDICTABILITY.

AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW --

BROUGHT
FORTH FOR MARY, PREDICTABILITY.

I CANNOT MAKE 5:00 ON A REGULAR
BASIS WITH MY EMPLOYMENT.

AND I'M AN ELECTED OFFICIAL
IN

THIS TOWN, AND I

THINK IT WOULD

BE A DISSERVICE TO THE PEOPLE

WHO VOTED FOR ME IF I
CAN'T

ATTEND ON A FAIRLY REGULAR
BASIS.

AND SO I'M ASKING MY COLLEAGUES
TO CONSIDER MAKING 6:00,
WHICH

IS THE TIME IT HAD BEEN PRIOR
TO
TWO YEARS AGO, MORE REGULAR.

FOR THOSE OF US THAT WORK OUT OF

TOWN AND DON'T HAVE THE
FLEXIBILITY ANYMORE.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU.

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ALEX?

MISS MAYOR, THE COUNCIL
FIT

WANTS CAN CERTAINLY ADOPT
A

POLICY JUST GIVING THE
CITY

MANAGER THE AUTHORITY TO SET THE
TIME.

ONE THING TO CONSIDER IS

WITHOUT

SOME MORE GUIDANCE, MARY IS
LEFT

IN THE POSITION OF, WELL, WHAT

IF I TAKE A POLL AND FOUR
PEOPLE

SAY THIS TIME, FOUR PEOPLE SAY
THE NEXT?

I DON'T WANT TO --
MAYBE

THERE'S -- IN SOME CASES
THERE

MAY BE A SPECIFIC REASON
MARY
SAYS WE NEED TO DO 5:00
THIS
MEETING.

BUT IN OTHER CASES,

YOU'RE SORT
OF PUTTING HER IN A HARD SPOT.

I APPRECIATE THAT, AND
MY

THOUGHTS ARE THE FACT
THAT

THERE'S THE MOTION

OF DEFERRING
TO MARY AS FAR AS THE POLICY.

I'M ASSUMING THAT MEANS THAT
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FOR

ME, IT ASSUMES THAT IT'SIT'S
SITE

SHE WOULD WORK
WITH YOU, ALEX.

WE'RE NOT ALONE, WE'RE NOT AN
ISLAND.

WHAT'S GOING ON WITH
OTHER
CITIES?

SO BRING BACK A DRAFT POSE, THEN
WE CAN REVIEW IT FROM THERE.

COUNCILMEMBER MAUER?
THANK YOU.

SO COUNCILMEMBER HINTON
IS

CLEARLY SAYING SHE CAN'T MAKE
IT
UNTIL 6:00.

AND I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND

CORRECTLY, VICE MAYOR IS SAYING

THAT SHE HAS WORK IN THE
EVENING.

SO SHE WANTS IT TO BE AT 5:00.

SO IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD
ALTERNATE?
ONE WEEK IT COULD BE AT 5:00 --
ONE MEETING AT 5:00, THE
NEXT
MEETING AT 6:00?

BECAUSE TO ME, IF

SOMEONE HAS A
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WORK CONFLICT, THAT'S A
PRIORITY.

AND I WOULD WANT TO -- I
WOULD

WANT TO

PRIORITIZE THAT FOR
PEOPLE IF THEY'RE WORKING.

BUT TO DO IT WITH FAIRNESS.

SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE
WEEK
COULD BE AT 5:00, THE

NEXT COULD
BE AT 6:00, AND ALTERNATE LIKE
THAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I

CAN THINK OF TO RESOLVE
IT.

COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?
CAN WE JUST DO 5:30?
WILL THAT BE UNANIMOUS?

BUT I DO WANT TO

TAKE THE
BURDEN OF THE VOTE FROM YOU.

I REALIZE WHAT I JUST DID
WAS

WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO
AVOID,
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

SO YEAH, I WILL TRY TO COMMIT
TO
A TIME TO SET.

DO YOU THINK YOU CAN MAKE
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IT
FROM
5:30?

DRIVING FROM HEALDSBURG,
5:30

WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE I
COULD
LEAVE AT 5:00.

WHY
DON'T WE DO 5:30?
5:30 WITH EXCEPTIONS.

WITH EXCEPTIONS.

THOSE EXCEPTIONS COULD BE
DURING
THE DAY.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT
VERY

CLEAR MOVING FORWARD BEFORE I GO
FORWARD.

I SEE THE VICE MAYOR'S HAND UP.

TE PEOPLE DO IT WHENEVER THE
COUNCIL WANTS TO DO IT.

WE WORK FOR THE COUNCIL.

WE WILL SET THE

MEETING TIME

WHEN YOU GUYS WANT TO SET THE
MEETING TIME.

I JUST WANT IT VERY CLEAR,
IF I

DO HAVE TO CHANGE IT,

AND IT MAY

BE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT
THAT

EITHER CITY STAFF HAS
THE
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AUTHORITY TO CHANGE IT OR,
IF I

DON'T HAVE UNANIMOUS, WE GO
WITH
THE QUORUM.

SO I'M HAPPY TO BRING A POLICY
BACK.

I'M HAPPY TO GIVE DIRECTION

TONIGHT FOR YOU TO APPROVE
WHAT
WE JUST STATED.

BUT THERE MAY BE MORE EXCEPTIONS

THAN NOT, ESPECIALLY, YOU
KNOW,

WITH ANY TYPE OF CLOSED

SESSIONS
COMING
UP.

THANK YOU.

VICE MAYOR?

I JUST WONDER IF
IT'S

POSSIBLE FOR US TO DO

SOMETHING

THAT'S SORT OF IN A ROLLING
PRIORITY, YOU KNOW.

IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY 5:30 WITH

EXCEPTIONS, AND THAT'S
THE

DISCRETION OF THE CITY MANAGER

IN TERMS OF THE MANAGER --
IF

THOSE TIMES DON'T WORK, THEN,

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE
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EXCEPTIONS.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE THIS ROLLING
PRIORITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT
SECOND
PRIORITY WOULD BE.

BUT WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD
BE,

YOU KNOW -- ESPECIALLY I
WORRY
ABOUT IF WE'RE DOING INTERVIEWS.

I REMEMBER WHEN WE DO
THE

INTERVIEWS FOR THE COMPANIES
AND
THEN CITY MANAGERS.

IT FELT LIKE WE WERE AT THE
CITY
ALL DAY LONG.

AND STARTING LATE AT NIGHT,
OBVIOUSLY, WOULD NOT BE IDEAL.

WE'D BE THERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT
OR
1:00 A.M.

IS THERE A WAY FOR TO US
START
WITH THE 5:30?
I DO HAVE DIFFICULTY SOMETIMES.

BECAUSE WE DO HAVE
OUR
NETWORKING STUFF AT NIGHT.

BUT -- AND MEETINGS.

I HAVE BOARD MEETINGS AT
NIGHT
ON ZOOM.

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BUT IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO
AIM
FOR 5:30 AND THEN JUST GIVE
THE

CITY -- GIVE MARY THE LEEWAY
TO

ACTUALLY START ROLLING THE
TIME
TO WHATWHAT WORKS?

BECAUSE MARY'S WORKING WITH
ALL
THESE PEOPLE.

SHE'S GOING TO KNOW WHAT

THEY'RE
AVAILABLE AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT.

I KNOW WE ALL HAVE JOBS TOO, BUT

WE KIND OF HAVE

TO FIGURE OUT
HOW TO WORK WITH THE CITY.

SO -- I

DON'T KNOW, MARY, IF
THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.

I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF A
WAY

TO MAKE THIS EASIER AND AA SORT

PROTOCOL SO

YOU DON'T HAVE TO

GO BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND
FORTH WITH US.

I'M HAPPY TO START AT 5:30.

GIVEN THE DIRECTION FROM
THE

CITY COUNCIL, IF THAT IS
THE

WILL OF THE COUNCIL MOVING
FORWARD FOR THE MOTION.

AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE, IF
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I

HAVE TO DO

EXCEPTIONS, YOU

KNOW -- WE'RE DIRECTING
THE

CITY -- THE INTERIM CITY

MANAGER

AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO
WORK

TOGETHER TO SCHEDULE CLOSED
SESSION.

OR WE SET A POLICY, IF I DO A

SURVEY, THAT I HAVE TO CHANGE
IT

AND I DON'T GET UNANIMOUS,
IS

THERE A NUMBER THAT I CAN
GO

WITH TO SCHEDULE
IT?
THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.

I'M SORRY.

OH, OKAY, SORRY.

SO IF YOU CAN'T GET EVERYBODY
AT 5:30 AND WE HAVE

EXCEPTIONS,

THEN CAN YOU ROLL TO THE
QUORUM
PRIORITY NEXT?
YOU KNOW.

SO IF YOU DON'T GET --
IF YOU
DON'T GET ALL OF US AT 5:30
OR

ENOUGH QUORUM, THEN COULD
IT

JUST BE PICK THE NEXT TIME AND
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THEN PICK THE --

SEE IF YOU HAVE
A QUORUM THAT WAY?

I'M NOT COMMUNICATING IT

PROPERLY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS
THINKING.

YEAH -- I JUST WANTED
TO

ADD -- THIS SEEMS TO BE
LONGER
THAN I THOUGHT.

THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN EXCEPTIONS.

THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN EXCEPTIONS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE EXCEPTIONS.

THERE'S TIMES I HAVEN'T
BEEN

ABLE TO MAKE IT AND I JUST
GOT

AN UPDATE LATER OFF THE CITY
MANAGER.

SO CLOSED SESSION WAS MISSED.

I MEAN ACTION I'M JUST -- AGAIN,

I'M BRINGING THIS BECAUSE THE
5:00 FOR THREE MONTHS -- IT WAS
UNDOABLE.

I THINK THERE'S

ALWAYS GOING TO
BE EXCEPTIONS.

SO CAN I MAKE A COUNTER MOTION
FOR THE 5:30 TIME?
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I THINK THAT'S ALLOWED, RIGHT,
PER OUR MOTION?

EASIEST THING WOULD BE TO ASK

A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT

SO THEY

JUST CHANGE IT IF

THEY'RE

WILLING
TO.

OKAY.
5:30 WITH THE ABILITY
TO
CAUSE FLEXIBILITY?
YES.

BUT THEY'RE THE MOTION
MAKERS, I THINK.

WHO WAS THE MOTION
MAKERS?
I FORGOT.

I'M HAPPY

TO MAKE THE MOTION

THAT WE MAKE OUR REGULAR CLOSED
SESSION TIME AT 5:30 WITH
THE

EXCEPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO
BE

ADJUSTED AS LONG AS WE HAVE
A

QUORUM BY CITY MANAGER, CITY
ATTORNEY.

SECOND.

THANK YOU.

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SO MOVED BY COUNCILMEMBER

HINTON, SECONDED
BY

COUNCILMEMBER MAUER, TO HAVE THE

CLOSED SESSION STARTING TIMES AT
5:30.

AND IF WE HAD TO CHANGE
THEM,

THAT IT WOULD BE -- HAVING IT
ON
A QUORUM.

I HATE TO ADD THIS.

BUT CAN I ASK IF WE SET THEM
ON

MONDAYS LIKE
WE HAVE?
OKAY.

WITH THE INTENT TO SET THEM
ON
MONDAYS IF POSSIBLE.

COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?

YES.

HINTON.

AYE.

MAUER.

AYE.

McLEWIS.

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YES.

ZOLLLIN.

YES.

PASSES
UNANIMOUSLY.

PLANNING DIRECTOR

RESPONSIBLE

DEPARTMENT AS INTERCITY

MANAGER
AND HUMAN RESOURCES.

SO
MARY?

YES, SO BRIEFLY, AS THE
CITY

IS AWARE, WE'VE HAD
A

RESIGNATION FROM THE
FORMER
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

WE HAVE RELOOKED AT THE
DEPARTMENT.

IT'S THE WAY THAT IT WAS SET UP
ORIGINALLY.

WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS
A
GOOD FIT FOR THE CITY.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK
TO
HIRE A PLANNING DIRECTOR.

ESPECIALLY SINCE THE COUNTY --

SORRY, SINCE THE CITY IS
NOW
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WORKING WITH THE CALIFORNIA
MAIN

STREET, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE,

BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT

DISTRICT,

ALL THE DOWNTOWN, TO BE ABLE
TO
DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND AS I STATED IN THE
GOAL

SESSION EARLIER, I DID APPLY FOR

SONOMA COUNTY TOURISM GRANT,
SO

HOPEFULLY THAT WILL COME

THROUGH
AS WELL.

I THINK WE ARE

WORKING ON

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,

SO I DON'T

THINK IN THE WAY THAT I ENVISION

THE DEPARTMENTS RIGHT NOW
THAT

WE NEED A COMMUNITY

DEVELOPMENT

DIRECTOR AT THIS TIME THAT,
WE
SHOULD GO FOR A PLAN DIRECTOR.

WE DID LOOK AT THE JOB
DESCRIPTION.

WE WERE REVISING IT.

THIS WILL BE AN AT-WILL
POSITION.

AND SO DEBORAH HAS MUCH
MORE,

HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE
JOB
DESCRIPTION WITH ME.

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IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ADDITION

INFORMATION, THEN WE CAN OPEN IT
UP TO QUESTIONS.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS.

I DON'T HAVE -- YOU HAVE DONE
A
VERY GREAT JOB.

I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER
PIECES

OF INFORMATION IS THAT
SINCE

WE -- SINCE THE COUNCIL APPROVED

COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

DIRECTOR,

WE HAVE NOT MERGED BUILDING AND
PLANNING.

THE CITY -- THE CODE ENFORCEMENT

IS STILL DONE BY MULTIPLE
DEPARTMENTS.

AND SO THERE ISN'T A LOT OF

UNDOING THAT HAS TO BE

DONE TO
DO PLANNING DIRECTOR.

GREAT.

I JUST WANT TO ADD TOO,
COULD

YOU ALSO ADD THE INFORMATION

RELATED TO
SERA?
OH, YES, ABSOLUTELY.

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SO SERA, THERE ARE PREMIUM COSTS
TO OUR PAYROLL, OUR SALARY.

AND THE PLANNING DIRECTOR IS A

REDUCTION IN FUTURE YEARS
OF
ABOUT $27,000 A YEAR AT

TODAY'S

PRICES FROM

COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

AND THAT TRANSLATES INTO ABOUT
$4,533 IN REDUCTION IN PREMIUMS.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE

GENERAL
LIABILITY IS ABOUT $8.92 PER
$100 OF PAYROLL, AND WORKERS'
COMP IS ABOUT $7.87 PER $100 OF

PAYROLL, ACCORDING TO
SERA.

THANK YOU, DEBORAH.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE
WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
COUNCILMAN McLAREN?

THIS IS SALARY LESS THAN THE
OTHER ONE?
YES, IT IS.

QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
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YEAH, "A," I THOUGHT
IT
NEEDED SOME DISCUSSION.

BUT LOOKING BACK TO MY JOB

DESCRIPTIONS AND WHEN WE PUT IT

TOGETHER, NOW WE'RE SPLITTING
IT
APART AGAIN.

I'M CURIOUS WHAT OUR RATE OF PAY
WAS BACK IN EARLY 2025 WHEN
WE

HAD THE PLANNING

DIRECTOR

POSITION, VERSUS WHAT
WE'RE
GOING OUT WITH NOW.

BECAUSE WE'RE GOING BACK,
AND

YET WE SAW AN EMAIL TODAY THAT

WE WERE SAVING REALLY NOT THAT
MUCH MONEY.

BY SPLITTING IT APART.

WE CERTAINLY COULDN'T HIRE
AN

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSON FOR

THE MONEY THAT WE'RE SAVING
BY
JUST GOING BACK.

DO YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS
HANDY,
BY CHANCE?

THE SALARY IS ON AND HAS
BEEN

ON THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE
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PAY

SCHEDULE AND HAS NOT
CHANGED.

OKAY.

SO THIS IS THE SAME SALARY AS WE
HAD IT WHEN KERRY WAS HERE?

YES.

WE HAVEN'T CHANGED IT?

NO, WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE
SALARY.

OKAY, THANK
YOU.

CAN I JUST ADDRESS

SOMETHING
REALLY QUICK, THOUGH?

WE DID HAVE PAYOUTS OF

VACATION

AND STUFF, WHICH IS WHY
YOU'RE

NOT GOING TO SEE THAT
COST

SAVINGS THIS
YEAR.

RIGHT.

YOU'LL BE SEEING IT IN THE
UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.

ABOUT $27,000 EACH YEAR.

BECAUSE WE HAD TO PAY
OUT

VACATION AND
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ALL THAT.

OKAY.

SO NEXT YEAR, THERE WILL BE MORE
COST SAVINGS?
-- YES.

ON THE E
SNAIL.

CORRECT.

THAT WAS WHY -- IT LOOKED

LIKE -- IT LOOKED A LOT
DIFFERENT.

YEAH, IT WAS.

WE HAD ADDITIONAL PAYOUTS.

OKAY.

GOING FORWARD WITH
THE

PLANNING DIRECTOR,

SALARY WILL

BE THE SAME AS WHAT IT'S BEEN
ON
THE SALARY SCHEDULES.

AND YOU WILL SEE THAT SAVING
IN

THE NEXT
BUDGET.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

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I SEE NO MOTHER

QUESTIONS, SO
WE'LL GO OUT TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT ON
THE

REVISION OF THE JOB

DESCRIPTION

FOR THE PLANNING DIRECTOR
POSITION.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE

A PUBLIC

COMMENT, I WILL GO TO CHAMBERS
FIRST.

SEEING NONE, I WILL GO OUT TO
ZOOM.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A
PUBLIC

COMMENT ON THE PLANNING DIRECTOR
JOB DESCRIPTION?

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND
VIRTUALLY.

SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS
CLOSED.

GREAT.

BRINGING IT BACK UP TO

THE DAIS

FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AND/OR
MOTION.

LOOKING TO MY RIGHT?

I JUST WANTED TO
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SAY, I

DIDN'T MUCH LIKE THE IDEA OF
COMBINING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I THINK THAT

ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT IS MUCH DIFFERENT

TYPE OF PERSONALITY THAN
PLANNING.

I THINK IT'S THAT, YOU KNOW,

OUTGOING, RIGHT

BRAIN VERSUS
LEFT BRAIN TYPE OF PERSON.

SO I'M ACTUALLY IN FAVOR
OF
SEPARATING IT AND GOING BACK.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND
WITH

THAT I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE -- LET

ME LOOK AT WHAT
IT SAYS AGAIN, SORRY.

A MOTION DID TO RE-ESTABLISH
THE

CITY'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT
AND

REVISE THE PLANNING

DIRECTOR

CLASS SPECIFICATION

AUTHORIZING

INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO

RECRUIT

AND TAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS

TO EFFECT THE CHANGES AND

RECRUIT A
NEW PLANNING DIRECTOR.

SECOND.

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THANK YOU.

SO MOVED BY COUNCILMEMBER HINTON

AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER
MAUER.

TO RE-ESTABLISH THE PLANNING

DEPARTMENT AND TO FURTHER

PROVIDE JOB DESCRIPTION
AND

AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO DO
THE

RECRUITMENT AND ALL ACTIONS
ASSOCIATED.

COUNCILMEMBER
CARTER.

YES.

HINTON.

AYE.

MAUER.

AYE.

VICE MAYOR
McLEWIS.

AYE.

ZOLLMAN.

YES.

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MOTION PASSES
UNANIMOUSLY.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR ACTION
ITEMS.

NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO
THE

SECOND PUBLIC

COMMENT PERIOD

AGAIN FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE
AGENDA.

MARY?
THANK YOU.

SO AS YOU JUST STATED, MAYOR

ZOLLMAN, THIS IS OUR
SECOND
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

IF YOU DID NOT SPEAK AT
THE

FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT AND
YOU'D

LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT

NOW, THIS IS
YOUR OPPORTUNITY.

I WILL COME INTO CHAMBERS.

SO IF IT'S A PUBLIC COMMENT
FOR

AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA,
WHICH

IS WHAT YOU WERE HERE FOR,
AND

YOU SPOKE AT THE FIRST

ONE, THIS

IS FOR MEMBERS WHO WERE NOT
ABLE

TO SPEAK WITHIN THOSE
30 MINUTES
TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AT THIS ONE.

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[ INAUDIBLE COMMENT ]

OUR PROTOCOLS DON'T
ALLOW

THAT BUT I'LL DEFER TO THE CITY
ATTORNEY.

IT'S UP TO THE DISCRETION
OF

THE MAYOR IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW
IT.

TONIGHT YOU CAN -- YOU HAVE
TO

ALLOW ANYONE

WHO WANTS TO SPEAK

AGAIN TO SPEAK
AGAIN.

WE TRY TO DO THIS AS A TEAM.

IS THERE -- IS IT OKAY TO
HAVE

AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT
FOR

A PERSON WHO ALREADY PREVIOUSLY
HAS MADE A PUBLIC COMMENT?
I WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT.

I MEAN, IT'S -- WE WANT
MORE

PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN
CITY
GOVERNMENT THAN LESS.

SO I'D BE OKAY WITH IT
TONIGHT.

I COULDN'T HEAR THE REQUEST
AT ALL.

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YOU
CAN'T HEAR IT ON ZOOM.

OH, SORRY.

SO THE REQUEST IS TO
ALLOW

MEMBERS -- FOR THE SECOND
PUBLIC

COMMENT PERIOD TO ALLOW MEMBERS

OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE

ALREADY

SPOKEN DURING THE FIRST
ONE TO

HAVE A SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO

PROVIDE COMMENTS DURING
THE
SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

SO NOT LIMITED TO THOSE WHO
DID

NOT GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK
ORIGINALLY.

AND SEEING NO OPPOSITION TO

THAT -- I'M GOING TO GIVE TWO

MINUTES AS
NORMAL.

OKAY.

SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT, I WILL COME TO

CHAMBERS
FIRST.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC
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COMMENT?

HELLO AGAIN, AND THANK
YOU
FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY TONIGHT.

I FEEL IT IS

IMPERTINENT -- IT'S

PERTINENT TO ADD ON TO
THE

SEVERITY OF WHAT IS GOING TO
TRANSPIRE.

BUT ALSO, MORE

IMPORTANTLY,

BECAUSE OF THE

INVESTIGATION

THAT IS BEING -- THAT
WAS

DIRECTED FROM THE MAYOR TO THE

CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

AND

WE -- THERE WAS A LOT --
I

WANT TO REITERATE THERE WAS
A

LACK OF DISPOSHE SURE
AND

QUESTIONABLE

APPLICATION
PROCESSES.

AND -- WE WERE BASICALLY TOLD WE

COULD WITHDRAW IF WE DID NOT

AGREE, SUGGESTING, YOU KNOW --

IT WAS CONTINGENT

ON SIGNING A
BACKDATED LEASE.

I

HAD MOVED IN -- WHAT
IS
CONSIDERED UNINHABITABLE.

AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS
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THAT

THERE ARE -- THE CITY PROVIDED
A
BUILDING -- PERMIT.

AND

ALLOWED FOR IT TO BE
HABITABLE.

I MOVED IN WITH A BACKDATED

LEASE IN

UNSAFE -- IN UNSANITARY
CONDITIONS.

AND WITH A LOT OF THE

PAPERWORK

ALREADY PREFILLED FOR ME,
WHICH

BASICALLY DENIED MY ABILITY TO

DO MY DUE DILIGENCE AND BE
ABLE

TO EXAMINE MY

APARTMENT --
YOU HAVE ABOUT 15
SECONDS.

IT DOES NOT COMPLY

WITH ADA
VISITORS.

IF MY GRANDMA WAS STILL ALIVE,

SHE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
EVER

VISIT ME BECAUSE SHE CANNOT WALK
UP THE STAIRS.

SO

THESE --

THAT'S TWO MINUTES, I'M
SORRY.

SURE, THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

NEXT, I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM.

IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT
WOULD

LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT,

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND
VIRTUALLY.

SEEING NONE, BACK INTO CHAMBERS.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN

CHAMBERS
THAT

WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT?

SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS
CLOSED.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

AND SO NOW WE ARE MOVING ON TO

THE COUNCILMEMBER REQUEST
FOR

FUTURE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA

ITEMS, AND I HAVE THREE BUT I'M

GOING TO TURN TO MY COLLEAGUES
FIRST.

TO MY RIGHT, TO MY LEFT?

I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO YOUR
THREE FIRST.

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I DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE.

THANK YOU.

SO AS WAS MENTIONED

EARLIER,

BASED UPON -- I'M GOING TO
STATE

MYSELF, THE ABHORRENT

TREATMENT

OF THE RESIDENTS AT

WITMARK, I

AM REQUESTING TO HAVE AGENDIZED

AN ITEM TO HAVE

OUR CITY

ATTORNEY EXPLORE WAYS THAT
THE
CITY CAN ASSIST.

SECOND.

THANK YOU.

THEN THE OTHER ONE, I AM
GOING

TO STATE -- AGAIN, I RAN THIS
BY
LEGAL COUNSEL TO MAKE SURE.

I AM

STATING THE FACT THAT I AM

ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THE
CITY

HAVING TO LOWER THE FLAG IN
HONOR OF CHARLIE KIRK.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT HAD --

THAT THERE WERE UNINTENTIONAL

RESULTS FROM THE LANGUAGE THAT

WE JUST PASSED IN
A FLAG POLICY.

SO I'M REQUESTING FOR A
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FUTURE

AGENDA ITEM TO MODIFY THAT FLAG
POLICY.

CAN I ASK YOU

FURTHER WHAT
YOU MEAN BY THAT, MODIFY IT?
SURE.

IN ESSENCE, I'VE RECEIVED
A

NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMMENTERS --

IN ADDITION TO MY OWN

PERSONAL

LA WASHINGTON LEAVE

THAT I DO

NOT THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE

LOWERED THE FLAG TO HONOR
THAT
PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL.

BUT BECAUSE THE WAY WE HAD

PASSED THE MOST RECENT FLAG

POLICY, THAT WAS AN UNINTENT
THE

CONSEQUENCE TO ALLOW THAT TO
HAPPEN.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE
TO

SEND IT BACK TO

THE CITY

ATTORNEY TO BE ABLE TO
THINK

THROUGH HOW WE HOPEFULLY
WILL

NOT FIND OURSELVES IN
THAT

SITUATION
AGAIN.

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ARE YOU ASKING IF WE CAN ASK

THE ATTORNEY TO PUT IN A
CLAUSE

SAYING THE CITY HAS

DISCRETION

OVER FEDERAL
PROCEDURE?
I'M GOING TO DEFER.

SO YEAH JUST TO BE

A LITTLE

MORE DIRECT, OUR POLICY NOW
SAYS

WE'LL LOWER THE FLAG WHEN
THE

PRESIDENT USES PROCLAMATION
TO
LOWER THE FLAGS.

IN THE PAST, THAT MAYBE
WASN'T

AS -- CONTROVERSIAL IS NOT
THE

RIGHT WORD, BUT IN

THE PAST

USUALLY THOSE PROCLAMATIONS
WERE

PRETTY -- EVERYONE WAS

ON BOARD
WITH THEM.

SO OBVIOUSLY, IF THE COUNCIL

WANTS, WE CAN TAKE THAT OUT AND

CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO
FIGURE
THAT OUT.

WE'VE COME BACK WITH YOU IF
THE

COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE
FORWARD.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

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OKAY.

WE HAVE TWO.

QUESTION?

QUESTIONS, SINCE YOU'RE
BRINGING BACK THE POLICY.

WELL, I ASSUME YOU'LL BRING
BACK
THE POLICY.

BECAUSE HOW WOULD WE

DETERMINE

IT FAST ENOUGH TO LOWER A FLAG
OR DISAGREE?

YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW --
JUST

VERY BRIEFLY --

I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS
CIRCUMSTANCE.

YES.

IT WOULD PROBABLY DEFER A

DECISION MARRYING,

CITY MANAGER

OR SOMETHING THAT'S IN
THERE
RIGHT NOW, SOMETHING SIMILAR.

BUT THE WAY IT'S

WRITTEN, SORT

OF ONLY GIVES AUTHORITY TO LOWER

FLAGS IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S

ORDERED, OR NOT TO KEEP THEM
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RAISED.

WE'LL BRING THAT BACK.

WE ALSO MAY -- IF IT SEEMS
LIKE

THERE WERE TWO -- THE

COUNCIL

MAY RECALL THERE WAS -- WE
ALSO

SAID WE'D BRING BACK THE
SPECIFIC BANNERS.

AND SO WE'LL PACKAGE THOSE
TOGETHER.

WE'LL WORK
FAST.

THANKS.

WE LIKE A PACKAGE
DEAL.

THAT WE DO.

EFFICIENCY IS AWESOME.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THEN MY THIRD ONE IS TO
TAKE

WHAT WAS SUGGESTED BY EARLY

INFORMATIONAL PRESENTERS TO

EXPLORE HAVING MICAH'S
ENTITY

WORK WITH A LOVELY BUSINESS
OWN

HISTORY VOLUNTEERED HER
OWN

PLACE TO HAVE THE NEWSPAPER
STAND.

SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW
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THAT
WOULD ALL HAPPEN.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT

AGENDIZED SOONER RATHER
THAN

LATER TO SEE IF STAFF CAN
WORK
THAT ALL OUT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MATTER
OF

CEMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S

INVOLVED, BUT THAT'S

WHAT I WEEK
WOO LIKE TO HAVE AGENDIZED.

IS THAT NOT BETWEEN
TWO

PARTIES THAT AREN'T A PARTY TO
US?

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING
TO TAKE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO
TAKE.

THAT'S THE REASON I'D

LIKE TO

HAVE IT AGENDIZED FOR ALEX
AND

MARY TO WORK THROUGH WHAT IT
WOULD TAKE.

IS THAT NOT JUST LIKE A
PUBLIC WORKS DECISION?

LIKE, DO WE NEED TO DEAL WITH
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IT?
IT DEPENDS WHERE IT GOES.

ENCROACHMENT PERMITS IF

IT'S IN

THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY,

GENERALLY WE DON'T LIKE TO
GIVE

ENCROACHMENT PERMITS FOR
PERMANENT ENCROACHMENTS.

OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL CAN
ELECT
TO STILL DO THAT.

WE JUST WOULD NEED TO LOOK.

MAYBE THE FIRST STAFF

FIGURING

OUT THIS BUSINESS, IF THEY
EVEN
NEED

AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT,

THEY MAY HAVE PLENTY OF

PRIVATE

SPACE BORDERING THE SIDEWALK

WHERE THEY COULD PUT
IT.

COULD I ASK THE MAYOR IF
WE

JUST DIRECT THEM TO FIGURE IT
OUT?
YES.

OKAY, THOSE WERE MY THREE,
THANK
YOU.

ANY OTHERS BEFORE WE MOVE ON?

OKAY, NOW WE ARE MOVING ON TO
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COUNCIL REPORTS AND CITY STAFF
REPORT.

A RETURN TO OUR AWESOME INTERIM
MANAGER.

THANK YOU.

AS YOU NOTICED, AGAIN,
TO

INCREASE TRANSPARENCY
AND

COMMUNICATION TO OUR

PUBLIC,

I'VE BEEN LISTING ON THE AGENDA

CERTAIN ITEMS THAT I THINK
ARE,

YOU KNOW, NOTEWORTHY AS FAR
AS
TO THE PUBLIC.

OUR DEPARTMENTAL REPORTS
FOR

AUGUST ARE ATTACHED TO
THE
AGENDA REPORT.

BUT THE VOTING DELEGATE FOR
THE

CALIFORNIA LAKES AND CALIFORNIA
CITIES, WE HAVE NO ATTENDEES.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE

NO SO WE WILL HAVE
NOBODY AT THE CONFERENCE.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT COMES

UP AT THE CONFERENCE, WE WON'T
BE ABLE TO VOTE ON IT.

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THAT IS THE POLICY AND
THINGS
LIKE
THAT.

FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
THAT

DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VOTING
DELEGATE FOR THE CAL CITIES IS.

WE DID RECEIVE FIVE

PROPOSALS

FOR THE RECRUITING FOR FIRMS
FOR

THE CITY MANAGER RECRUITMENT

SERVICES, SO THOSE WILL
BE
COMING BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

I'VE LISTED ALL THE
OPEN

RECRUITMENTS THAT I
ABOUT HAVE.

AND AGENDA REVIEW TOMORROW.

AWESOME.

AND WITH THAT, I'M TURNING TO
MY
COLLEAGUES.

COUNCILMEMBER MAUER?
I ATTENDED THE ST. VINCENT DE

PAUL GROUNDBREAKING AND THE

MAYOR WAS THERE, AND WE
BOTH
MADE COMMENTS.

AND THE GENERAL -- WE

SHOVELED
SOME DIRT.

BUT NOT REALLY.

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YOU KNOW, WE JUST POSED FOR A
PHOTO.

AND I WAS REALLY HOPING
THAT

WOULD GET ON TO THE CITY
WEBSITE.

CITY FACEBOOK PAGE.

BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

I ASKED HIM, JACK TIBBETTS,
TO

SEND YOU A
PICTURE.

JACK HAS NOT SENT ME
ANY

PHOTOS OR
ANYTHING.

OKAY.

WELL, AND THEN UPCOMING THIS

SATURDAY, WE HAVE THE LABYRINTH
RESTORATION.

THAT WILL BE AT 10:00 A.M.

AND THEN ON 9/27, BILL AND I ARE

DOING A PUBLIC WALK FOR
PUBLIC
ART WALK.

AND WE'LL BE DOING THAT WITH

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARTS
COMMITTEE.

SO THAT'S 9/27 STARTING AT
9:00
A.M. AT THE PLAZA.

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IT WILL BE A THREE-HOUR
WALK.

AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT A

BUNCH OF
ART.

A BUNCH OF PUBLIC ART IN TOWN.

THAT'S IT.

SOME OTHERS?
JUST ONE THING.

I TALKED TO SONOMA CLEAN POWER

ABOUT HAVING ELECTRIC BIKES
ON
THE PAY THROUGH YOUR POWER BILL.

AND WE'RE WORKING THAT
THROUGH.

SO I'M KIND OF HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW,
IT'S A SLOG.

WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.

COUNCILMEMBER
HINTON.

WELL, MAYOR ZOLLMAN

ATTENDED

MY MEETING FOR ME FOR SETA,
SO

THAT'S THE ONLY MEETING

I WOULD
HAVE HAD.

I REALLY APPRECIATE

YOU COVERING
FOR ME.

SO I'LL LET YOU REPORT OUT ON
IT.

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YES, I TOOK A LOT OF
GOOD
NOTES.

THEN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WHO
WAS
AWESOME, SENT THE RECAP EMAIL.

I SENT THAT OUT.

SO THAT TOOK CARE OF EVERYTHING
I WAS GOING TO SAY.

THEN FOR MYSELF, JUST REGULAR

MEETING, SPENDING A LOT OF
TIME

WITH THE

HOMELESS COALITION

BOARD AND

ALL THE RESPECTIVE
SUBCOMMITTEES THAT I'M ON.

THEN WORKING TO FINALIZE FOR AN
UPCOMING AGENDA.

I THINK WE HAVE NOLAN
COMING
BACK TO TALK ABOUT MST.

AND WE HAVE THE

CONTRACTOR

THROUGH THAT AGENCY THAT'S
GOING

TO COME AND TALK
ABOUT
COORDINATED ENTRY.

SO THAT'S ALL HAPPENING.

AND YES, I'M REALLY HAPPY
TO

COME TO THE LAB RINT, AND I'M

HAPPY TO JUST SAY TWO SEE THAT

SENTENCES, BASICALLY
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THANKING

YOU, THEN TURNING THE MIC OVER
TO ALL THE REST.

THAT'S MY
REPORT.

CAN I DO A DO HIGH OVER?

SURE.

AGAIN,

TRYING TO GET

INFORMATION OUT TO THE
PUBLIC.

AT THE

PLANNING COMMISSION
MEETING ON THE 23rd, THE

SEBASTOPOL BLOOM EVENT WILL BE
BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AS YOU'VE SEEN IT ON
THE

WEBSITES AND THINGS LIKE
THAT,

THERE'S MULTIPLE LOCATIONS
EVEN
AS PLANNED.

SO THEY ARE NOW COMING

THROUGH
THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THEY DID GET ALL THEIR PERMITS
IN.

THEY PAID FOR THEIR PERMIT FEES.

WE'RE JUST WAITING ON

INSURANCE
AND SOME OTHER STUFF.

GETTING PLANNING COMMISSION
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APPROVAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

ON THE 30th, I'VE SAID IT

BEFORE, THE BUSINESS LISTING
SESSION.

IF WE CAN RSVP SO WE KNOW
WHICH
BUSINESSES ARE COMING TO THAT.

THAT ISN'T IN PERSON.

IT WILL BE LIVESTREAMED, IT
WILL
NOT

BE A BACK AND FORTH FOR ZOOM
AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT
REMINDER.

IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I
GUESS
WE CAN ADJOURN.

SEEING NOTHING, WE'RE ADJOURNED,
YAY.
10:03 P.M. PACIFIC TIME. [Event Concluded]
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