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City Council
Mayor Jill McLewis
Vice Mayor Sandra Maurer
Councilmember Phill Carter
Interim City Manager
Mary Gourley
[email protected]
Councilmember Neysa Hinton
Councilmember Stephen Zollman
CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
MINUTES FOR MEETING OF February 17, 2026
As Approved by the City Council at their regular meeting of March 3, 2026.
CALL TO ORDER: Mayor McLewis called the meeting to order 6:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Mayor Jill McLewis
Vice Mayor Sandra Maurer
Councilmember Phill Carter
Councilmember Neysa Hinton
Councilmember Stephen Zollman
Absent: None
Staff: Interim City Manager Mary Gourley
City Attorney Alex Mog
Administrative Services Director Kwong
Police Chief McDonagh
Public Works Operations Supervisor Billing
SALUTE TO THE FLAG: Scouting America Troup 27 led the salute to the flag.
REMOTE PARTICIPATION UNDER AB 2449 (IF NEEDED): To consider and take action on any request from a Council Member to participate in a meeting remotely due to Just Cause or Emergency Circumstances pursuant to AB 2449 (Government Code Section 549539(f)). Assembly Bill 2302 (2024) (“AB 2302”) revises rules for when members of local legislative bodies may participate in meetings remotely. Specifically, it amends the number of meetings that may be attended remotely for just cause and under emergency circumstances and clarifies the definition of the term “meeting,” for purposes of remote attendance. AB 2302 caps the number of remote meetings a member can attend each year based on the frequency of a legislative body’s meetings: Five meetings per year for those meeting twice a month.
None.
LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: The City of Sebastopol acknowledges that we live and work within the unceded ancestral homelands of the Southern Pomo and the Coast Miwok people. We pay our respect to the past, present, and future generations of these peoples, including the Federated Indians of Graton Rancheria.
City of Sebastopol History Acknowledgement by Mayor
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PROCLAMATIONS/PRESENTATIONS/INTRODUCTIONS:
• CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION – Gold Ridge Fire Department • CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION – City of Sebastopol Police Department • Chief McDonagh
• Officer Josiah Wotila
• Officer Jaime Baldovinos
• Dispatcher Chris Mooney
Reference Order Number: 2026-044
STATEMENTS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST: Conflicts of interest may arise in situations where a public official deliberating towards a decision has an actual or potential financial interest in the matter before the Council. In accordance with state law, an actual conflict of interest is one that would be to the private financial benefit of a public official, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A potential conflict of interest is one that could be to the private financial benefit of a Councilmember, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A Councilmember must publicly announce potential and actual conflicts of interest, and, in the case of actual conflict of interest, must refrain from participating in debate on the issue or from voting on the issue and must remove themselves from the debate.
There were no stated conflicts of interest.
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA (FIRST COMMENT PERIOD):
• Up to Twenty (20) Minute Time Limit (Two Minutes for up to ten speakers). • Additional public comments will be held at the end of the discussion and action items for up to an additional twenty (20) minutes.
• Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers.
• Process for calling on Speakers: Mayor or designee shall ask for public comment as follows: Speakers to be called on in an alternate manner (One speaker in person to be called on first; then one speaker remote to be called on second with additional speakers to be called on in the same manner) based upon the time limit.
The following member(s) of the public spoke during public comment:
1. Lisa
2. Kate
3. Oliver
4. Jim
5. Craig
6. Carrie
7. Robert
8. Russell
9. Omar
10. Myriah
CONSENT CALENDAR:
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• The consent agenda consists of items that are routine in nature and do not require additional discussion by the City Council or have been reviewed by the City Council previously. These items may be approved by one motion without discussion unless a member of the City Council requests that the item be taken off the consent calendar. • The Mayor will read aloud the title of each consent item (either full agenda title or a simplified version of the agenda title), and ask if a Councilmember wishes to remove one or more items from the consent calendar; and then open public comment to the members of the public in attendance. At this time, a member of the public may speak for up to two (2) minutes on the entire consent calendar and request at that time that an item or items removed for discussion. • If an item or items are removed from the consent calendar, the item shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor. Council Members may comment on Consent Calendar items or ask for minor clarifications without the need for pulling the item for separate consideration. Items requiring deliberation should be pulled for separate consideration and shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor.
Mayor McLewis read the consent calendar.
Mayor McLewis asked if any Councilmember wanted to remove a consent calendar item. There were no requests.
Mayor McLewis opened for public comment. The following member(s) of the public spoke during public comment:
Lawrence
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
MOTION:
Vice Mayor Maurer moved and Councilmember Zollman seconded the motion to approve consent calendar item number(s) 1, 2, 3, and 4.
Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
1. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes for Meeting of February 3, 2026 Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries. No additional financial impact is anticipated with approval of this item.
City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes for Meeting of February 3, 2026 Minute Order Number: 2026-045
2. Approval of Second Reading for Formula Business Ordinance Updates. Updates to the Formula Business Ordinance to Clarify Applicability and Terms.
Responsible Department: City Attorney/Planning
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Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare agenda item report is covered within existing budgeted salaries. No additional financial impact is anticipated with approval of this item.
City Council Action: Approved Second Reading for Formula Business Ordinance Updates. Updates to the Formula Business Ordinance to Clarify Applicability and Terms.
Minute Order Number: 2026-046
Ordinance Number: 1163
3. Sebastopol Kiwanis Club to Conduct their Annual Fireworks Show on July 3, 2026 located on public property of the West Sonoma County Union High School District, Analy High School, 6950 Analy Avenue, Sebastopol and finding this action exempt under CEQA Section 15304(e). At the City of Sebastopol, City Council meeting on July 28, 2021, the Council eliminated the Lottery Policy Application Process and permanently assigned the Annual Fireworks Show to the Sebastopol Kiwanis Club with the following requirements:
By January 15th of each year the Sebastopol Kiwanis Club will provide to the city information as to whether the Kiwanis will conduct or not the Annual Fireworks Show The Sebastopol Kiwanis Club holds the First Right of Refusal The Annual Fireworks Show will be scheduled on July 3rd of each year Other non-profits would be invited and included in the event as appropriate Responsible Department: Gold Ridge Fire Department/Public Works Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries. No additional financial impact is anticipated with approval of this item.
City Council Action: Approved Sebastopol Kiwanis Club to Conduct their Annual Fireworks Show on July 3, 2026, located on public property of the West Sonoma County Union High School District, Analy High School, 6950 Analy Avenue, Sebastopol and finding this action exempt under CEQA Section 15304(e). At the City of Sebastopol, City Council meeting on July 28, 2021, the Council eliminated the Lottery Policy Application Process and permanently assigned the Annual Fireworks Show to the Sebastopol Kiwanis Club with the following requirements:
By January 15th of each year the Sebastopol Kiwanis Club will provide to the city information as to whether the Kiwanis will conduct or not the Annual Fireworks Show
The Sebastopol Kiwanis Club holds the First Right of Refusal The Annual Fireworks Show will be scheduled on July 3rd of each year Other non-profits would be invited and included in the event as appropriate
Minute Order Number: 2026-047
4. Approval of Process for Transition to Sonoma County Permit Sonoma- Fire Prevention Division CUPA. Item is for authorization for City of Sebastopol to file a formal relinquishment letter with CalEPA under HSC §25404.3(f), requesting that Certified Unified Program Agency (CUPA) authority for Sebastopol be assigned Sonoma County Permit Sonoma- Fire Prevention Division CUPA and Authorize the City Manager to work with Gold Ridge to execute and submit all required notices, correspondence, and transition documents necessary to effectuate the transfer. If approved by CalEPA, Gold Ridge and City staff will return with remaining action items as listed later in the report.
Responsible Department: City Attorney/Gold Ridge Fire Department/Interim City Manager Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare agenda item report is covered within existing budgeted salaries. No additional financial impact is anticipated with approval of this item.
City Council Action: Approved Process for Transition to Sonoma County Permit Sonoma- Fire Prevention Division CUPA. Item is for authorization for City of Sebastopol to file a formal relinquishment letter with CalEPA under HSC Agemda Item Number 1
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§25404.3(f), requesting that Certified Unified Program Agency (CUPA) authority for Sebastopol be assigned Sonoma County Permit Sonoma- Fire Prevention Division CUPA and Authorize the City Manager to work with Gold Ridge to execute and submit all required notices, correspondence, and transition documents necessary to effectuate the transfer. If approved by CalEPA, Gold Ridge and City staff will return with remaining action items as listed later in the report.
Minute Order Number: 2026-048
INFORMATIONAL ITEMS/PRESENTATIONS: Informational Items or Presentations are items that are informational only and do not require action by the City Council. Presentations shall be scheduled as necessary for the promotion of an event or service or general information items to the Council and should be limited to ten (10) minutes total in length of item (total length includes questions of Council to presenter and public comment).
5. Government Specific Equipment Annual Report Out. Annual report of department’s government specific equipment.
Responsible Department: Police
Fiscal Impact: The specific equipment in question was purchased prior to 2015. The only cost is the ongoing costs of training and supplies which are currently allocated for in the existing police department budget. The fiscal impact is approximately $750.00 per year for training and supplies and is a currently budgeted item.
THIS ITEM HAS BEEN POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD AT THIS MEETING; THIS ITEM WILL BE CONTINUED TO A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
Reference Order Number: 2026-049
PUBLIC HEARING(s):
6. BOLD Program Participation Discussion & Action. Item includes a presentation on CMFA’s BOLD Program; a Resolution joining the CMFA; and a resolution authorizing participation in the BOLD program for the Canopy Housing Project. All costs can be reimbursed through the BOLD program
Responsible Department: Planning Department/Administrative Services/City Attorney Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare agenda item report is covered within existing budgeted salaries. There is no cost or liability for the City to join CMFA as a member. In addition, all of the costs and expenses related to the formation, issuance of bonds and ongoing administration for the CFD formed by the BOLD Program for The Canopy project is the responsibility of City Ventures and/or CMFA and there is no liability or fiscal impact on the City. The City will be reimbursed for any staff time expended on the program.
City Attorney Mog presented the agenda item and introduced consultants.
Consultants provided a presentation on the BOLD program.
Mayor McLewis opened for questions of staff or consultants. The Council asked various questions of the consultant and City staff.
Mayor McLewis opened the public hearing public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:
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Lawrence
June
Kate
Hearing no further comments, Mayor McLewis closed the public hearing.
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:
Council continued discussion of the item.
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
MOTION:
Councilmember Hinton moved and Vice Mayor Maurer seconded the motion to approve and adopt a resolution joining CMFA and approve and adopt Resolution authorizing BOLD solely for City Ventures’ The Canopy development project.
Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: Councilmember Carter
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved resolution joining CMFA and approve and adopt Resolution authorizing BOLD solely for City Ventures’ The Canopy development project.
Minute Order Number: 2026-050
Resolution Number: 6733-2026
Resolution Number: 6734-2026
7. Surveillance Ordinance: Public Hearing to consider First Reading and Introduction of Ordinance to amend Chapter 8.80 of the City’s Surveillance Technology and Community Safety Ordinance.
Responsible Department: City Attorney/Police
Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact of this ordinance. The ordinance itself does not authorize the purchase of any equipment, which would be handled through the City’s normal budget and procurement process.
City Attorney Mog presented the agenda item.
Mayor McLewis opened for questions from staff. The Council asked various questions of the City staff.
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Mayor McLewis opened the public hearing public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:
Oliver
Kate
Omar
Woody
Michael
Jim
Robert
June
Una
Magnus
Jim
Hearing no further comments, Mayor McLewis closed the public hearing.
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:
Council continued discussion of the item.
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
MOTION:
Councilmember Carter moved and Vice Mayor Maurer seconded the motion the First Reading and Introduction of Ordinance amending Chapter 8.80 of the City’s Surveillance Technology and Community Safety Ordinance as amended:
• Not Make proposed changes to A and B and Maintain Changes to C and D • Still facilitate use of private cameras
• Not allow to upgrade existing City cameras without Council approval Language below;
A. Seeking funds for surveillance technology, including, but not limited to, applying for a grant or soliciting or accepting State or Federal funds or in-kind or other donations for the purpose of acquiring surveillance technology;
B. Acquiring or borrowing new surveillance technology, including, but not limited to, acquiring such technology without the exchange of monies or consideration.
C. Using a new or existing surveillance technology for a purpose, in a manner or in a location not previously approved by the City Council in accordance with this chapter. This does not apply to traditional security cameras, except for the use of traditional security cameras owned by the City in a new location; or
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D. Entering into an agreement, including a written or oral agreement, with a non-City entity to acquire, share or otherwise use surveillance technology or the information it provides, including data-sharing agreements. This does not include the City using traditional security cameras for a specific incident or event, as long as such use is not part of an ongoing arrangement with a non-City entity.
Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved First Reading and Introduction of Ordinance amending Chapter 8.80 of the City’s Surveillance Technology and Community Safety Ordinance as amended:
• Not Make proposed changes to A and B and Maintain Changes to C and D • Still facilitate use of private cameras
• Not allow to upgrade existing City cameras without Council approval Language below;
A. Seeking funds for surveillance technology, including, but not limited to, applying for a grant or soliciting or accepting State or Federal funds or in-kind or other donations for the purpose of acquiring surveillance technology;
B. Acquiring or borrowing new surveillance technology, including, but not limited to, acquiring such technology without the exchange of monies or consideration; C. Using a new or existing surveillance technology for a purpose, in a manner or in a location not previously approved by the City Council in accordance with this chapter. This does not apply to traditional security cameras, except for the use of traditional security cameras owned by the City in a new location; or D. Entering into an agreement, including a written or oral agreement, with a non-City entity to acquire, share or otherwise use surveillance technology or the information it provides, including data-sharing agreements.
This does not include the City using traditional security cameras for a specific incident or event, as long as such use is not part of an ongoing arrangement with a non-City entity.
Minute Order Number: 2025-051
Ordinance Number: 1164
REGULAR CALENDAR AGENDA ITEMS (DISCUSSION AND/OR ACTION):
8. Discussion of the Sebastopol Community Cultural Community Center Short- and Long-Term Plan and provide direction to staff. Present the Memorandum prepared by Toni Bertolero regarding short- and long-term plan for the community center and discuss recommendations for Council’s direction.
Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: There is no fiscal impact with receipt of this item. The cost for the memo preparation is approved in the CIP budget.
Toni Betolero presented the agenda item.
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Mayor McLewis opened for questions from staff. The Council asked various questions of the City staff.
Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:
Kenyon
Robert
Craig
Kate
Laura
Oliver
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:
Council continued discussion of the item.
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
MOTION:
Councilmember Carter moved and Vice Mayor Maurer seconded the motion to:
• Accept the Report and direct staff to include the flood mitigation and repairs in the list prepared by Interactive Resources, in the Fiscal Year 2026-27 Capital Improvement Program for future consideration of approval.
• Direct staff to explore and move forward with implementation for a shared civic space either with the Sebastopol Commons and/or with another non-profit organization.
Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved to Accept the Report and direct staff to include the flood mitigation and repairs in the list prepared by Interactive Resources, in the Fiscal Year 2026-27 Capital Improvement Program for future consideration of approval; and directed staff to explore and move forward with implementation for a shared civic space either with the Sebastopol Commons and/or with another non-profit organization.
Minute Order Number: 2025-052
9. BAYREN Program – Water $ave Closure. The Water $ave Program through BAYREN is closing and BAYREN is proposing options for the City to consider with program closure Responsible Department: Administrative Services/City Attorney Fiscal Impact: BayREN has offered to settle the City’s remaining WUSave obligation for $13,141.23, a major reduction from the full $30,020.57 owed. The recommended split is $7,409.94 from the General Fund and Agemda Item Number 1
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$5,731.29 from the Water Fund, which would fully close out the program.
Declining the offer means eight more years of repayments and ongoing administrative work to manage a discontinued program.
Accepting the settlement is the most cost-effective option, reduces workload, and cleanly closes the program.
Administrative Services Director Kwong presented the agenda item.
Mayor McLewis opened for questions from staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff.
Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:
Oliver
Kate
Steve
Robert
Mary
Mary
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:
Council continued discussion of the item.
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
MOTION:
Vice Mayor Maurer moved and Councilmember Zollman seconded the motion to approve a one-time settlement payment to BayREN to fully resolve and close out the Water Upgrade Save (WUSave) program, with $5,731.29 paid from the Water Fund holding account and the remaining $7,409.94 paid from the General Fund.
Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved to settle the City’s remaining WUSave obligation for $13,141.23, a major reduction from the full $30,020.57 (with General Fund to cover the remaining balance of $7,409.94) Minute Order Number: 2026-053
10. Discussion and Consideration of 2026–2027 City Council Goals and Priorities – Meeting Date, Facilitator, and Process. The item asks the Council to decide on:
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a. Whether to hire an external facilitator for a dedicated goal-setting workshop. b. Handle the process internally without a facilitator. c. And to set a specific date for the goals/priorities discussion session.
This is to guide policy, budgeting (especially for FY 2026-27), and operations for the coming period.
Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: Proposals submitted range from $4400 - $9125. The FY 25 26 Budget did not allocate or fund a facilitator for the goals and priority setting. If approved, a budget amendment would be required.
Interim City Manager Gourley presented the agenda item.
Mayor McLewis opened for questions from staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff.
Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period: None
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:
Council continued discussion of the item.
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
MOTION:
Mayor McLewis moved and Vice Mayor Maurer seconded the motion to reject external facilitation and set a date for the Goals and Priorities Setting Meeting, directing staff to prepare a proposed list of actions and priorities using the current six goals.
Date: April 14th 6:00 pm
Youth Annex
Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved motion to reject external facilitation and set a date for the Goals and Priorities Setting Meeting, directing staff to prepare a proposed list of actions and priorities using the current six goals.
Date: April 14th 6:00 pm
Youth Annex
Minute Order Number: 2026-054
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA: Two minutes per speaker for up to twenty (20) minutes total for public comments but can be reduced at Mayor’s discretion depending upon the number of speakers or Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers.
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COUNCILMEMBER(S) REQUESTS FOR FUTURE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS: None CITY COUNCIL/CITY STAFF REPORTS/COMMUNICATIONS/ANNOUNCEMENTS/FUTURE MEETINGS:
11. City Manager and/or City Clerk Reports: (This will be either verbal reports at the meeting, or written reports provided at or prior to the meeting) a. Departmental Reports
b. Animal Control Inspection Reports -Police
Reference Order Number: 2026-055
12. City Council Reports/Committee/Sub-Committee Meeting Reports: (Reports by Mayor/City Councilmembers Regarding Various Agency Meetings/Committee Meetings/Sub-Committee Meeting /Conferences Attended and Possible Direction to its Representatives (If Needed) on Pending issues before such Boards. ((This will be either verbal reports at the meeting, or written reports provided at or prior to the meeting)
13. Council Communications Received (Information/Meetings/Correspondence Received from the General Public to Councilmembers)
CLOSED SESSION: NONE
ADJOURNMENT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING
February 17, 2026 City Council Regular Meeting was adjourned at 10:29 and was adjourned to the next Regular City Council Meeting of Tuesday, March 3, 2026 at 6:00 pm, Sebastopol Youth Annex, 425 Morris Street, Sebastopol, CA.
Respectfully submitted:
Mary C. Gourley
Interim City Manager
Attachment(s):
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ACCORDING TO TERMS OF THE WILL OF KATHERINE L. IVES TODAY IN SANTA ROSA.
THIS IS
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FROM A PAPER BACK THEN. UNDER THE TERMS OF THE WILL, PRESIDENT OF
SEBASTOPOL
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NATIONAL BANK AND THREE TRUSTEES
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WERE APPOINTED. HARRY FULLER,
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A.F. COCHRAN, AND JEANNE BECK. THEY SHALL REQUIRE ATTRACTED LAND TO BE
DEDICATED
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FOR THE PLAYGROUND RECREATIONAL USES TO APPROVE TRACK, AND SHALL BE
DESIGNATED
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AS IVES MEMORIAL PARK.THEREAFTER IT SHALL BE DEEDED TO THE 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:51.000
CITY OF SEBASTOPOL. MRS. IVES HAD CONSIDERABLE PROPERTY HOLDINGS IN THE CITY,
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AND SHE WAS A COUSIN OF
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THE LATE A.B. SWAIN. A
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PIECE OF INFORMATION. A.B. SWAIN DEVELOPED SWAIN WOODS JUST SOUTH OF HYDE PARK.
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I ENJOY READING ALL THESE PIECES OF HISTORY, NOT BEING FROM HERE. I'VE LIVED
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AS WELL. SO LET'S SEE, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. WE HAVE PROCLAMATIONS 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:23.000
TONIGHT. WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION -- I DON'T KNOW. LET ME PUT MY GLASSES ON HERE
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TO SEE WHO IS ALL HERE. SO DO WE HAVE GOLD RIDGE PRESENT? OKAY. SO WE HAVE A
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CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION, AND I'M
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GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ THOSE. LET ME JUST
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PULL THOSE OUT VERY QUICKLY.
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MY APOLOGIES. SOME OF THESE GOT A
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LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER. SORRY, OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO READ ONE OF THESE, AND
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THEN I WILL JUST CALL EVERYONE UP. YOU CAN LET ME KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
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WANT A GROUP PICTURE AT THE END. YOU CAN LET ME KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO
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THAT. THIS CERTIFICATE IS PRESENTED TO SHOW OUR SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR YOUR
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PROMPT PROFESSIONAL AND DEDICATED RESPONSE TO THE HOUSE FIRE. YOUR
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PUBLIC SAFETY TEAMWORK AND SERVICE
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TO THE COMMUNITY WAS
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CLEARLY DEMONSTRATED THROUGH YOUR ACTIONS.THE CITY SENDS ITS --
RESPONDING TO
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THIS EMERGENCY IN HELPING PROTECT LIVES AND PROPERTY. ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
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COUNCIL AND CITIZENS OF SEBASTOPOL, I, MAYOR MCLEWIS, GRATEFULLY
ACKNOWLEDGE
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YOUR DEDICATION TO THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL AND
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THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND THIS IS ON GOLD RIDGE FIRE DISTRICT, IF YOU
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WANT TO COME UP. WE
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CAN
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PRESENT THIS TO YOU.
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>> AND NOW WE'D ALSO LIKE TO PRESENT THE SAME CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION TO OUR
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POLICE OFFICERS, SO WE HAVE
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CHIEF MCDONAGH, OFFICER JOSIAH WOTILA, OFFICER JAIME BALDOVINOS, AND
DISPATCHER
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PRESENT YOU WITH A CERTIFICATE, AND TRULY A LOT
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OF
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GRATITUDE FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
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WE
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JUST WANT
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TO SAY THANK YOU.
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SEAN, DID YOU WANT A
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GROUP PICTURE WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS? OKAY. IF WE COULD DO THAT VERY QUICKLY. YOU
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WANT TO COME UPFRONT AND WE CAN DO IT?
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THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US LATITUDE TO HONOR THESEGUYS. EVERYONE WHO HAS TAKEN CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY EVERY DAY. ALL
RIGHT, SO
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HAVE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? NO? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
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PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. IT'S UP TO 20 MINUTES, AND
I'LL HAND
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IT OVER TO MARY.
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>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO AS YOU JUST STATED, THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC
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PERIOD. THERE ARE TWO. THERE'S A SECOND ONE AT THE END OF THE AGENDA. IT IS A
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20-MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR THE FIRST PERIOD. THAT MEANS IT IS TWO MINUTES PER
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SPEAKER, SO WE'LL HAVE TEN SPEAKERS. I'LL DO CHAMBERS FIRST, THEN I'LL GO OUT TO
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ZOOM, COME
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BACK TO CHAMBERS, GO OUT TO ZOOM. ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE
TO MAKE
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A PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? LISA, THEN I'LL 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:56.000
GO
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OUT TO ZOOM AFTER THAT.
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>> HI, EVERYBODY. IS IT
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ON?
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>> IS THE LIGHT ON?
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>> MY NAME IS LISA PIERS. I WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS ABOUT A BIG DECISION YOU'LL
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SOON BE FACING ABOUT OUR STREET SYSTEM. I THINK THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION
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TO ASK OURSELVES IS WHY IN 1985 DID WE SWITCH FROM A TWO-WAY STREET
SYSTEM TO A
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ONE-WAY SYSTEM. AND WE HAVE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT ONE. AND THEN WHY
WOULD WE
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WANT TO SWITCH BACK? AND THEN WHAT ARE ALL THE POTENTIAL DRAWBACKS,
RISKS, AND
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COSTS WITH DOING THIS MAJOR CHANGE OF GOING
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BACK
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TO A TWO-WAY SYSTEM? WE CAN SEE HOW PEOPLE VOTED BEFORE, AND WE CAN SEE THE
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RESULTS OF THE RECENT SURVEY. EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN POINTS TO THE MAJORITY OF
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PEOPLE NOT WANTING TO SWITCH TO TWO-WAY STREETS. I THINK PEOPLE RECOGNIZE GIVEN
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OUR SITUATION, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT BIG PROBLEMS IF WE WENT THIS WAY.
IF THE
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COUNCIL IS AT ALL CONSIDERING SWITCHING OUR SYSTEM, I WOULD ASK YOU TO
LISTEN TO
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THE PEOPLE FIRST. I AGREE WITH WHAT HINTON SAID IN A PUBLIC COMMENT IN 2023 WHEN
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SHE SAID PEOPLE VOTED TO TURN MAIN STREET INTO A ONE-WAY STREET, AND
SUPPORTERS
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OF TWO-WAY STREETS WANT TO CHANGE THAT, THEY COULD
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>> THANK YOU, LISA, FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL GO OUT TO ZOOM.
KATE,
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CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
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>> HELLO.
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>> THANK YOU. CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
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>> YES, THANK YOU.
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>> GREAT, GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
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>> COUNCIL AND THE CITY IS PROBABLY AWARE JACK TIBBOTT, FORMERLY OF ST.
VINCENT
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DE PAUL IS NOW RUNNING AS A REPUBLICAN IN THE STATE
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OF OREGON. HIS REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN
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MODE MOTTO, COMMON
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SENSE LEADERSHIP, LESS TAXES, LESS REGULATION. HE MOVED TO OREGON AND SOUGHT
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POLITICAL OFFICE BECAUSE HE WAS, "DISILLUSIONED
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BY CALIFORNIA'S CULTURE AND POLITICAL CLIMATE," AND WANTED SOMETHING
DIFFERENT
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FOR HIS CHILDREN. A PLACE WHERE HIS BOYS COULD BE RAISED WITH STRONG 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:27.000
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AGRICULTURE. I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE JACK MADE MANY PERSONAL GUARANTEES IN
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REGARD TO THE
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CITY'S PARTNERSHIP WITH ST. VINCENT DE PAUL ON
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A PROJECT THAT IS NOW
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UNDERWAY. MANY PEOPLE SAID, INCLUDING MYSELF, HE WAS A CARPET GRIFTER AND HAD NO
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SKIN IN THE GAME WHEN IT CAME TO SEBASTOPOL. HE HAD NO GUILTY ABOUT
PUTTING A
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HOME KEY SITE, ALLOWING ACTIVE DRUG
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USE IN THE MIDDLE SEBASTOPOL'S COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, CLOSE RANGE OF THE PUBLIC
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SCHOOL IN
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A NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT FOR FAMILIES. SO HE HAS MOVED TO OREGON TO RUN AS A
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A HORRIBLE AND PERMANENT DEAL. COUNCIL NEEDS TO LEARN AN IMPORTANT LESSON 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.000
THEY'VE NEVER SEENED TO LEARN, WHICH THE DECISIONS THEY MADE MUST BE FOR THE
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BETTERMENT OF
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THEIR RESIDENTS AND SEBASTOPOL BUSINESSES. DO NOT LET
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OUTSIDE
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THIS GOOD FOR SEBASTOPOL RESIDENTS? IS THIS
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GOOD FOR SEBASTOPOL OF BUSINESSES? IF THE ANSWER IS NO ON EITHER ACCOUNT, THE
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VOTE MUST BE NO. THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU, KATE FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS.
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IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:55.000
ITEMS NOT --
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>> HI, STEVE PIERCE FROM SEBASTOPOL. I'M FOLLOWING
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UP ON MY WIFE, LISA'S COMMENTS ON THE PARKING TRAFFIC OPTIONS. IT'S 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.000
REALLY
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THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, PRODUCED. OUR CONSULTANTS. I THINK THEY HAD 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:21.000
A PRUDENT RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY. THEY SUGGESTED THE CITY GO WITH THE 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:26.000
WALKABLE ONE-WAY OPTION AND THEN DO SOME CURB LINES ON MAIN STREET TO
MAKE IT
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EASIER IF THE CITY DECIDED IN THE FUTURE TO GO WITH A TWO-WAY OPTION.
THEY ALSO
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RECOMMENDED THAT THERE BE A FEASIBILITY TO STUDY AND SEE, CAN WE EVEN FIT TWO
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LANES OF BICYCLES? TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC ON
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MCKINLEY. SO AS YOU'RE GOING AROUND
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THE PLAZA, DOES THAT ALL FIT? CAN WE REALLY PULL IT OFF? THE PLANNING
COMMISSION
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REJECTED THAT IDEA. THEY DECIDED THAT THEY
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WANTED TO GO WITH THE TOTAL TWO-WAY OPTION WITH SOME MINOR CHANGES. THEY WANTED
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TO ADD SOME PARKING ON MAIN STREET AND SOME WIDER SIDEWALKS THAT WERE A 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:10.000
PART OF THE WALKABLE ONE-WAY OPTION. THIS IS
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REALLY NOT
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A HYBRID OPTION. IT'S BASICALLY TWO WAYS. YOU
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CAN'T BE PARTLY PREGNANT HERE. WHEN THE CONSULTANTS SAID THERE WOULD BE A 5% TO
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10% INCREASE IN TRAVEL TIME
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WITH ANY OF THE OPTIONS, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THEY DID NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE
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BIG WITH IMPACTS FROM LEFT
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TURNS ON A TWO-WAY SCENARIO. YOU CAN PICTURE YOURSELF DRIVING IN THE TWO WAY.
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YOU NEED TO MAKE A LEFT INTO A PARKING LOT ONTO ANOTHER STREET, EVEN INTO YOUR
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OWN DRIVEWAY.
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>> STEVE, YOU HAVE ABOUT 15 SECONDS.
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>> OKAY, AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE ONCOMING CARS TO MAKE THAT LEFT.
THAT WAS
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NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE 5 TO 10% INCREASE IN TRAVEL TIME. WHATEVER WE DO,
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WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING TO DO MATCHING. END OF 20% MATCH. 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:08.000
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL GO OUT TO ZOOM IF THERE IS
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ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AN ITEM NOT ON
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TONIGHT'S AGENDA. PLEASE
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RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY? SEEING NONE, I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:25.000
>> HI, I AGREE WITH THE PIERCE FAMILY, AND LISA WROTE A VERY GOOD POST ON 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:32.000
SEBASTOPOL TIMES ON THIS TOPIC. SO I WAS TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT THE
MICAH'S HUGS
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THING BECAUSE THE LAST MEETING, WE HAD A WHOLE ROOM OF PEOPLE. NONE OF WHOM
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LIVED HERE. THEY WERE INSULTING
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AND ASKING THEM TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES ABOUT NARCAN AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. I
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THINK THAT WILL COME
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BACK UP ONTO THE AGENDA THAT WHERE SHE A POLICE
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FORCE AND A FIRE, AND IF YOU FIND SOMEBODY LYING ON THE STREETS AND YOU THINK
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THEY'VE OVERDOSED, THE PROCEDURE IS TO CALL 911. WE'VE SEEN THE POLICE
AND THE
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FIRE SHOW UP, SAVE A WOMAN IN A BURNING
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HOUSE'S LIFE, VERY QUICKLY. A FEW WEEKS AGO. YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A VERY
DIFFICULT
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SITUATION, WHERE WE HAVE NARCAN LYING AROUND AND PEOPLE WHO ARE MAYBE
DRUNK, TO
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SEE SOMEBODY LYING IN THE GUTTER, WHO MAY BE DIABETIC OR SOMETHING. IT COULD
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CAUSE WAY MORE PROBLEMS. WHEN IT COMES BACK UP FOR THE MICAH'S HUGS
THING, WE
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HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, WHAT ARE WE ACHIEVING HERE? WE ALREADY HAVE A 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:34.000
VERY EXPENSIVE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO -- EMTs ARE WELL EQUIPPED
TO DEAL
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WITH THESE KINDS OF SITUATIONS. SO HAVING OLD NEWSPAPER BOXES WITH NARCAN IS A
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QUESTIONABLE VALUE IN THIS SITUATION. IT MAY COMPLICATE THINGS 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:49.000
FOR THE PERSON WHO HAS COLLAPSED. SO THE NEXT
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TIME THIS TOPIC COMES UP, IT WILL BE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SHOUTING WE NEED NARCAN
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EVERYWHERE. IF YOU CARE ABOUT THIS, YOU SHOULD BE CARRYING NARCAN
YOURSELF,
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AND YOU SHOULD BE TAKING PERSONALITY RESPONSIBILITY, NOT EXPECTING THE
CITY TO
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TAKE THAT RISK, POSSIBLY HAVE A LOT OF LEGAL DOWNSIDE TO THAT, IF
SOMEBODY IS
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INJURED THROUGH SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO USE NARCAN, SO THAT IS MY
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COMMENT. THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU, OLIVER FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL GO OUT TO ZOOM.
JIM,
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CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
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>> THERE I GO.
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>> CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
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>> I CAN.
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>> GREAT, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
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>> WILL SO I'M CALLING ALSO ON THE TOPIC OF THE TWO-WAY, ONE-WAY STREETS.
I'M
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NOT IN FAVOR OF ASKING CALTRANS AND GOING OUT AND TRYING TO FIND A WHOLE BUNCH
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OF MONEY, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD DO THE TWO-WAY STREET THING.
I'VE BEEN
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ON THE FENCE ABOUT IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS BETTER. I WASN'T HERE IN
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1985. I DON'T REALLY
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KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE. BUT I LOVE LISA'S NICE ARTICLE, LOOKING AT THE HISTORY.
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AND AT THIS POINT, I ALSO DON'T LIKE THE
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PROCESS OF THE CONSULTANT COMING UP WITH FOUR PLANS THAT WERE HARD TO
DECIPHER
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WHAT HAPPENS. THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS. I WORK ON SOUTH MAIN STREET, AND I
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RIDE MY BIKE AROUND TOWN. I FEEL COMFORTABLE THE WAY THINGS ARE. SOUTH MAIN
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STREET, ONE OF THE TWO LANES, HEAD DOWN 116, SOUTH OF TOWN. IT'S TOO FAST AND
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THERE IS TOO MUCH. BUT THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S THESE WIDE TIMES WHERE
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THE STOPLIGHT HAS STOPPED ALL TRAFFIC, AND YOU
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CAN GET ACROSS QUITE SAFELY. AND THERE ARE PUSH BUTTONS ON THE LIGHTS YOU COULD
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USE THAT COULD SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN. SO I THINK RUSHING INTO SOMETHING 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:51.000
AND ASSUMING THAT OUR TOWN WANTS TWO WAY IS A MISTAKE. AND I WOULD RATHER DO
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INCREMENTAL CHANGES AND/OR TRY THINGS OUT AND
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EXPERIMENT. WIDER SIDEWALKS DOWNTOWN WOULD BE GREAT. YOU KNOW, THE BIKE LANE
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CALTRANS WILL REQUIRE BIKE LANES AND THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE FUTURE.
ANY
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WAY, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF WHAT CAME OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I WOULD
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LOVE TO TALK SOME MORE WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL
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>> OKAY, THANK YOU, JIM, AND I'LL COME BACK TO YOU. IS THERE ANYONE IN
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SORRY, IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AN ITEM NOT ON
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TONIGHT'S AGENDA? PLEASE COME
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UP TO THE PODIUM.
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CLUB, AND I'M A GRANGER, SEBASTOPOL GRANGE. FIRST OFF, THANK YOU TO THE SCOUTS
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FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR US, FOR THE THIRD OF JULY. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK
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ABOUT THE BOX BUILD THAT'S HAPPENING ON SUNDAY, APRIL 12. IT'S FROM 11:00 TO
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3:00. LAST YEAR,
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WE BUILT 37 GARDEN BOXES FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE GAVE THEM AWAY TO FOLKS WHO
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WANTED TO GROW
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HABITAT FOR GOOD PLANTS OR SPECIES AND ALSO FOR FOLKS WHO WERE FEELING FOOD
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INSECURE. SO THAT WAS A COLLABORATION
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LAST YEAR BETWEEN THE SEBASTOPOL GRANGE 306 AND THE CLUB OF SEBASTOPOL.
THIS
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YEAR WE'RE DOING IT AGAIN, APRIL 12,
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FROM 11:00 A.M. TO 3:00
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P.M. AGAIN AT THE SEBASTOPOL GRANGE, EXCEPT, THE DRUM ROLL, PLEASE. THE LION'S
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CLUB IS JOINING US AS WELL. SO NOW WE'VE ADDED A THIRD GROUP, AND WE HAVE THREE
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OF US WORKING TOGETHER, COLLABORATIVELY. I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE CITY TO
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OUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO. THE SCOUTS, OF COURSE, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE SCOUTS
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TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT?
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>> YES, PLEASE.
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>> ALL RIGHT, CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER STILL?
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>> YES.
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>> OKAY. GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
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>> OKAY, THANKS. I'M GOING TO READ THE COMMENT I PUT IN THE SEBASTOPOL TIMES
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AFTER LISA'S PIECE. LISA PIERCE'S PIECE. KUDOS AND GRATITUDE TO LISA
PIERCE, WHO
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STUDIED THE HISTORY OF OUR TOWN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, MADE VIDEOS ABOUT
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CAREFULLY
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STUDIED MAPS AND PLANS. FOR HER CONSCIENTIOUS CLEAR-HEADED RECOUNTING OF 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:30.000
RELEVANT HISTORY. WHY REPEAT MISTAKES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE? ANY
SOLUTION
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THAT COULD INCREASE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS AND GRIDLOCK MUST BE DEEPLY
SCRUTINIZED
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AND NOT RUSHED THROUGH. CONSULTANTS WHO DON'T LIVE HERE, REMEMBER, THE
IVES PARK
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COMMISSION, NO MATTER HOW WELL INTENTIONED OR VISIONARY ARE NOT
THEMSELVES
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ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT CAN HAVE AN OUTSIZED INFLUENCE OVER THEM AND OVER THE
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TOWN WITH LITTLE TO NO ACCOUNTABILITY WHEN THINGS GO WRONG, I MIGHT ADD OR IF
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AND WHEN. AND EVEN THOUGH WALKING AND BICYCLING TO TOWN ARE IDEAL OPTIONS TO
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PROMOTE FOR THE NEARBY AND
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THE ABLE-BODIED, THEY ARE NOT VIABLE FOR COASTAL TOWNS BEYOND PUBLIC
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FOR VISITORS OR PASSER THROUGHS FROM FAR AWAY. WE STILL MUST CONSIDER
DRIVERS,
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TRAFFIC FLOWS, AND PARKING ISSUES, AS CARS ARE A CURRENT REALITY IN A
RURAL TOWN
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WITH A COUPLE CITY BLOCKS AND TWO STATE HIGHWAYS PASSING THROUGH. LET'S PLEASE
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BE KIND TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED,
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INCLUDING OUR BELOVED LOCAL BUSINESSES. THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU, KERRY FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS.
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ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE
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AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I'LL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. ROBERT, CAN YOU UNMUTE
YOURSELF,
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PLEASE? >> YES.
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>> THANK YOU. CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
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>> YEAH.
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>> GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
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PARTICULARLY THE INPUT WE GOT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT APPARENTLY DON'T
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ALL OVER THE STATE. IN FACT, QUOTED THE SPECIFIC PLACE WHERE THESE BOXES WERE
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BEING PLACED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEHIND THE TIMES, I GUESS. I HAPPEN TO BE IN SAN
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LUI S OBISPO AND THEY'RE NOT PUTTING BOXES ON THE STREETS. THEY DID PUT SOME
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SMALL BOXES THAT LOOKED LIKE A FIRST AID KIT THAT HANG ON THE WALL INSIDE PUBLIC
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BUILDINGS AT A LEVEL THAT WAS SUFFICIENTLY HIGH ENOUGH THAT CHILDREN
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PLAYING WITH IT, MAKING IT ACCESSIBLE BROADLY IN THE CITY. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT
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WAS BEING DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING. I THINK WE WERE BEING MISLED BY
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GAVE THIS ADVICE TO US. SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO TURN ON OUR SPIDEY SENSES AND SENSE
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WHEN THINGS DON'T MAKE SENSE. THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL COME BACK INTO PUBLIC CHAMBERS.
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IF THERE IS ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
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A
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COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT --
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>> HI, MY NAME IS RUSSELL. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK
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TONIGHT. I AM THE SENIOR PATROL
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LEADER OF SCOUTING AMERICA SEBASTOPOL TROOP 27, AND I'M PROUD TO BE HERE
WITH MY
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AMAZING TROOP BESIDE ME, AS WELL AS THOSE WHO COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY,
SUCH AS
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MY SCOUT MASTER,
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MR. GRAVES. WE ARE AN ORGANIZATION THAT VALUES LEADERSHIP AND CIVIC DUTY.AS PART
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OF THIS, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING UP FLAGS ON MAIN STREET SINCE AT LEAST 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:57.000
THE 1990s. WE DO THIS ON MOST STATE AND FEDERAL HOLIDAYS, WHICH IS VERY
POPULAR
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TO THE PEOPLE OF SEBASTOPOL. PEOPLE THANK US AND THEY HAVE ASKED US WHY THE
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FLAGS AREN'T UP WHEN
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WE UNFORTUNATELY CANNOT DO IT. HOWEVER, RECENTLY WE'VE RAN INTO AN ISSUE.
WE
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HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO POST FLAGS RECENTLY AS IT HAS COME TO OUR ATTENTION WE
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POTENTIALLY NEED A PERMIT FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL INSTANCE OF CARRYING OUT THIS
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COMMUNITY SERVICE. THIS IS PROVEN TO BE A LENGTHY PROCESS, AND WE OFTEN CANNOT
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GET A PERMIT IN TIME. SO WE ARE HERE AS A TROOP TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE
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FOLLOWING. WE ASK THE CITY AMEND ITS ORDINANCE REGARDING PERMITTING
POSTING OF
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ALLOW FOR THE POSTING OF U.S. FLAGS ON MAIN STREET. WE ALSO ASK THE
SERVICE WILL
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BE CONDUCTED IN PERPETUITY BY
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BE RECOGNIZED AS THAT ORGANIZATION. SO YOU MAY BE ASKING WHY SHOULD TROOP 27 BE
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THE ONES TO PROVIDE THIS IMPORTANT SERVICE? SO I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THE SCOUTS
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WHO ARE HERE WITH ME TONIGHT. NONE OF THEM ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY WERE
FORCED TO
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BE. THEY'RE ALL HERE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE A PART IN CONTINUING TO
PROVIDE
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SAFE AND CHEERFUL SERVICE TO THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL. WE'VE CARRIED THIS OUT
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SUCCESSFULLY FOR DECADES AS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND OUR
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WHICH WE HOPE TO CONTINUE.
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>> YOU HAVE ABOUT TEN SECONDS LEFT.
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DEMONSTRATE OUR CIVIC PRIDE AND ENGAGE WITH THE VIBRANT COMMUNITY OF SEBASTOPOL.
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IF ANYMORE INFORMATION IS NEEDED, I'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE FURTHER DETAILS. ON
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BEHALF OF THE ENTIRETY OF TROOP 27, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR
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GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. OMAR,
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CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
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>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
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I AM SPEAKING OUT IN FULL
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FAVOR OF THE LAST COMMENT. I THINK THAT THE SCOUTING OF AMERICA PROVIDES AN
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HOLIDAY, AND I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR THAT. AS SOMEBODY WHO IS PROUD TO
LIVE IN
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SEBASTOPOL, I THINK MY SENSE OF CIVIC PRIDE IS HYPHENED EVERY TIME I SEE THE
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FLAGS, AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHO PUT THEM UP, BUT I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU SCOUTS
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FOR DOING THAT. YOU'VE DONE REALLY WELL FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND THANK YOU FOR
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SPEAKING OUT TODAY AND FOR SHOWING UP, AND FOR YOUR COMMUNITY SERVICE. SO I'M
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100% IN FAVOR OF THIS. THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU, OMAR FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS.
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THIS WOULD BE THE TENTH SPEAKER, SO THIS WOULD BE OUR 20-MINUTE TIME
LIMIT, SO I
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HAVE ONE MR. SPEAKER, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE COME
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UP TO THE PODIUM. SEEING NONE, I'LL
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GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. MYRIAH,
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CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
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>> I CAN, HI, EVERYBODY, GOOD EVENING. I'M JUST TAKING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HOP
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ON REGARDING THE APPLE BLOSSOM FESTIVAL COMING UP, APRIL 25 AND 26. WE'RE DEEP
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INTO THE PLANNING FOR THE FESTIVAL. EVERYTHING
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IS GOING REALLY WELL. WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY FUN SURPRISES WITH YOU WITH THE
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SAID, MY REASON FOR COMING TONIGHT AMONG OTHER REASONS I WANT TO HEAR
ABOUT ALL
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THE OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU ALL ARE DEALING WITH AT THE MOMENT IS VOLUNTEERS.
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VOLUNTEERS FOR THE FESTIVAL ARE CRUCIAL
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TO MAKE A SUCCESSFUL EVENT. WE NEED ABOUT 150 PEOPLE TO HAVE A STRONG
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VOLUNTEER, YOU CAN GO TO APPLEBLOSSOMFEST.COM. THERE'S A LINK FOR
VOLUNTEERING,
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AND WE APPRECIATE IT. YOU GET
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. SO MAYOR,
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>> OKAY. THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU, EVERYONE FOR YOUR COMMENTS. AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ONTO - - OH,
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I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD.
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>> I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT TO THE BOY SCOUT GROUP, AND TO
LET YOU
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KNOW THAT I WILL BE SURE TO BRING AN AMENDMENT
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BACK FOR THE FLAG POLICY. SO IF YOU CAN GET YOUR LETTER TO OUR INTERIM CITY
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MANAGER, I'LL FOLLOW UP,
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OKAY? THANK YOU.
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>> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. OH.
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>> I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE SCOUT TROOP FOR DOING THIS SO OFTEN. YOU
KNOW, NOT
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MANY PEOPLE KNOW WHO IT IS, SO IT'S GREAT FOR YOU TO COME UP AND PUT IT OUT
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THERE. HOPEFULLY WE CAN RECOGNIZE YOU GUYS
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A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THANK YOU.
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>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR
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CALENDAR. LET'S SEE. SO NUMBER ONE, APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING
MINUTES FOR
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MEETING OF FEBRUARY 3, 2026. APPROVAL OF SECOND READING FOR THE FORMULA
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TO CLARIFY APPLICABILITY AND TERMS. SEBASTOPOL KIWANIS CLUB, NUMBER
THREE, TO
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CONDUCT THEIR ANNUAL FIREWORKS SHOW ON JULY 3, 2026 LOCATED ON PUBLIC
PROPERTY
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OF THE WEST SONOMA COUNTY
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UNION HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT, ANALY AVENUE, SEBASTOPOL, AND 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:40.000
FINDING THIS ACTION EXEMPT UNDER CEQA SECTION 15304E. NUMBER FOUR.
APPROVAL OF
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PROCESS FOR TRANSITION TO
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SONOMA COUNTY PERMIT, FIRE PREVENTION DIVISION, ITEM FOR THE CITY OF
SEBASTOPOL
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TO FILE A FORMAL RELINQUISHMENT LETTER WITH CAL
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EPA UNDER HSC 25404.3F, REQUESTING THAT CERTIFIED
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UNIFIED PROGRAM AGENCY, CUPA, AUTHORITY FOR SEBASTOPOL BE ASSIGNED TO Agemda Item Number 1
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SONOMA COUNTY PERMIT, SONOMA-FIRE PREVENTION DIVISION CUPA, AND AUTHORIZE THE
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CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH GOLD RIDGE TO EXECUTE AND SUBMIT ALL REQUIRED 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:20.000
NOTICES, CORRESPONDENCE,AND TRANSITION DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE
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TRANSFER. IF APPROVED BY CAL EPA, GOLD RIDGE AND CITY STAFF WILL RETURN WITH
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REMAINING ACTION ITEMS AS LISTED LATER IN THE REPORT. SO DOES ANYONE WANT TO
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PULL
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ANY ITEMS FROM CONSENT CALENDAR? NO? OKAY. THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
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>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS
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JUST READ. IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE FOUR CONSENT
CALENDAR
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ITEMS, AGAIN, IT IS A TWO-MINUTE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND I'LL COME INTO
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CHAMBERS FIRST, THEN GO OUT TO ZOOM. DO YOU HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE
CONSENT
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CALENDAR ITEM?
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>> WELL THANK YOU FOR WELCOMING ME. MAYOR, MADAM MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND WORTHY
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CLERK AND ATTORNEY AND FINANCIAL CHAIR. I'M A MEMBER OF THE KIWANIS, AND I WANT
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TO EXPRESS HOW WONDERFUL IT WAS TO USE THE SPACE AROUND THE COMMUNITY CENTER
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LAST YEAR TO TRANSFORM THE FIREWORKS FROM A BACK-TO-SCHOOL NIGHT AT THE
SCHOOL,
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WHICH WAS A GREAT TRADITION,
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TO A TOWN PICNIC. I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO USE THE SPACE AGAIN, AND I
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REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO PUTTING ON THIS YEAR'S TOWN PICNIC IN CONJUNCTION BY
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COHORT AT THE KIWANIS.
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. IF THERE
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IS ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE
CONSENT
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CALENDAR ITEMS ONLY,
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PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY? SEEING NONE, WE'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. IF
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ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE
CONSENT
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CALENDAR ITEMS ONLY, PLEASE
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COME UP TO THE PODIUM. SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED ON THE
CONSENT
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CALENDAR ITEMS. >> OKAY. SO WE'RE BACK HERE. IF ANYONE
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HAS ANY COMMENTS OR MOTION?
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>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
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>> I'LL SECOND.
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>> THANK YOU, SO MOVED BY VICE MAYOR MAURER AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:13.000
ZOLLMAN TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR
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ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?
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>> YES.
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>> COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
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>> AYE.
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>> COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN?
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>> YES.
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>> VICE MAYOR MAURER?
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>> YES.
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>> MAYOR MCLEWIS?
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>> YES.
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>> MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
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>> PERFECT. WE ARE MOVING RIGHT ALONG. WE ARE AT THE POINT FOR
INFORMATION ITEMS
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AND PRESENTATIONS, NUMBER 5. GOVERNMENT SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT ANNUAL REPORT OUT.
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OUR CHIEF BE DOING THIS ITEM?
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>> MAYOR, THERE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE CALENDAR AND WILL BE POSTPONED.
IT'S
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BEEN NOTICED ON THE AGENDA THAT WAY.
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>> OH, I'M SORRY.
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>> I MADE A NOTE ON THE DIFFERENT AGENDA AND THEN I PRINTED A NEW ONE.
ALL
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RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE TO NUMBER SIX. BOLD PROGRAM PARTICIPATION DISCUSSION AND
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ACTION. ITEM INCLUDES A PRESENTATION OF CMFA'S BOLD PROGRAM, A RESOLUTION 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.000
JOINING THE CMFA, AND A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING PARTICIPATION IN THE BOLD
PROGRAM
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FOR THE CANOPY HOUSING PROJECT. ALL COSTS CAN BE REIMBURSED THROUGH THE BOLD
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PROGRAM. AND THIS, I BELIEVE, IS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, PLANNING, A LOT OF
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DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THERE.
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AN ITEM THAT'S BEING BROUGHT TO YOU BY -- ON BEHALF OF THE 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:41.000
DEVELOPER OF THE CANOPY PROJECT
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WITHIN THE CITY. THEY'RE REQUESTING THE CITY AUTHORIZE
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PARTICIPATION IN
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THE BOLD PROGRAM, WHICH IS A TOOL, A FINANCING TOOL THAT WILL HELP THEM
PAY THE
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IMPACT FEE THE CITY IMPOSES ON NEW DEVELOPMENT. IT IS AT NO COST TO THE
CITY AND
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NO RISK OR LIABILITY FOR THE CITY, BUT IT
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DOES NEED THE CITY'S APPROVAL. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER, I
THOUGHT I SAW
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SOME FROM CITY IN THE AUDIENCE,
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BUT MAYBE THEY'RE JUST ONLINE.
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>> I'M GOING TO ASK JEAN WHO WILL BE PRESENTING CANOPY FOR THE BOLD PROJECT.
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JEAN, I'M GOING
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TO
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MUTE YOU HERE REAL QUICK.
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JANE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF AND LET US KNOW WHO NEEDS ACCESS FROM THE CANOPY
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PROJECT IN BOLD TO PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION?
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>> HI, YEAH. I DON'T SEE ANYONE WHOSE NAME I RECOGNIZE ON HERE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU
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ARE ON
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HERE,
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CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND?
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OR TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
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>> YES, THERE WE
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GO.
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>> GOOD EVENING. I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOMEONE FROM CITY VENTURES WHO WAS
GOING TO
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START THE PRESENTATION, BUT IF NOT, I COULD GO
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AHEAD AND JUMP INTO IT.
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>> WE JUST STARTED YOUR ITEM. I GAVE
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A LITTLE INTRODUCTION, BUT IF YOU
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WANT TO -- YEAH, PERFECT.
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>> DO
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WE HAVE THE SLIDES AVAILABLE?
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>> GIVE US
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A SECOND.
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>> GREAT.
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>> PLEASE.
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>> WELL, WHILE WE'RE PULLING UP THE SLIDES, MY NAME IS KELSO. THANK YOU, MAYOR
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MCLEWIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. TONIGHT, OUR REQUEST IS OUTLINED IN THE 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:19.000
STAFF REPORT, BUT THE OVERALL REQUEST IS FOR THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL TO
JOIN THE
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CMFA, WHICH IS THE CALIFORNIA MUNICIPAL
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FINANCE AUTHORITY, WHICH WILL THEN ALLOW OUR COMPANY TO APPLY FOR THE BOLD
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FINANCING PROJECT, WHICH
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IS AN 80 TOWNHOME
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DEVELOPMENT BEING CONSTRUCTED IN
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NORTH SEBASTOPOL, WHICH WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2024. THE CITY COUNCIL
APPROVED IT
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IN APRIL OF 2024 IN THE FINAL MAP THAT WAS
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APPROVED IN DECEMBER OF 2024. SO THAT'S OUR REQUEST TONIGHT, AND WE HAVE WITH
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US, RALPH HOLMES WHO SHOULD BE ON ZOOM TO BE ABLE TO -- HE'S A 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.000
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOLD PROGRAM. HE'LL BE ABLE TO GO OVER 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.000
HOW -- OH, HERE WE ARE.
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>> CAN YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN TO MOVE FORWARD FOR YOUR SLIDE PRESENTATION? 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:15.000
>> YEAH, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. SO THIS WAS JUST THE AGENDA, LIKE THE
OBJECTIVE
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THAT I DESCRIBED WHAT THE OBJECTIVE IS AND
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THE REQUEST IS. IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT. NEXT SLIDE. THIS COMES FROM
THE STAFF
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REPORT. YOU KNOW, THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW US TO APPLY FOR THE BOLD
PROGRAM, AND
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FOR THE CITY
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OF SEBASTOPOL TO JOIN THE CALIFORNIA MUNICIPAL FINANCE AUTHORITY. THE
NEXT SLIDE
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SORT OF DISCUSSES WHAT THAT AUTHORITY IS. AND RALPH WILL THEN TAKE IT
OVER TO
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DESCRIBE WHAT THE BOLD PROGRAM IS IN DETAIL, AND THEN I'LL BE HERE TO
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SPECIFICALLY THE REQUEST TONIGHT TO ALLOW US TO APPLY
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TO JOIN THE BOLD PROGRAMS. THE RESOLUTION ONLY SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZES
THAT BOLD
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PROGRAM TO BE ALLOWED FOR THE CANOPY PROJECT, SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT
LATER IN
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THE PRESENTATION, BUT IT'S NOT A
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BLANKET APPROVAL THAT ANY PROJECT IN THE FUTURE SPECIFICALLY WOULD ONLY
APPLY TO
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THE 80 HOMES
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BEING DEVELOPED AT THE CANOPY. SO RALPH CAN TAKE IT FROM HERE.
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>> SURE, GREAT. WHY DON'T WE MOVE FORWARD TO SLIDE NUMBER SIX. SO FIRST
OF ALL,
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MY NAME IS RALPH
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HOLMES, I WORK FOR PIPER. ONE OF THE BOLD PROGRAMS. THE CALIFORNIA
MUNICIPAL
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FINANCE AUTHORITY IS
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A JOINT POWERS AUTHORITY, WHICH REPRESENTS CITIES, COUNTIES, SCHOOL
DISTRICTS,
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AND
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OTHER PUBLIC AGENCIES IN CALIFORNIA. AND THE
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DISTRICTS, TO SUPPORT SOCIAL PROGRAMS. HOWEVER, OTHER CITIES IN THE STATE ARE
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MEMBERS, AND SOME LOCAL CITIES INCLUDE WINDSOR, SANTA ROSA, NAPA. NEXT SLIDE,
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PLEASE? SO THE BOLD
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PROGRAM IS SOMETHING WE CREATED, WORK WITH CMFA
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TO ALLOW INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC OWNED INFRASTRUCTURE BY CMFA 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:33.000
ON BEHALF OF LOCAL JURISDICTIONS. ANY CMFA CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM. IT
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WILL ALLOW TAX EXEMPT LOW COST FINANCING FOR THOSE PROJECTS.TO FACILITATE 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:45.000
THE PROGRAM, WILL BE FORMED AND
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LATER BONDS WILL BE ISSUED. TYPICALLY WHEN WE POOL THEM, IN ORDER TO
ALLOW FOR
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LOW COST FINANCING FOR PROJECTS. THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, LATER ON, WE'LL
DISCUSS A
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LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW
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MANY WE WOULD ISSUE. NEXT SLIDE. SO COMMUNITY FACILITIES IN THE DISTRICTS ARE
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FINANCING TOOL THAT ARE ALLOWED UNDER STATE LAW TO FUND PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
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INCLUDED IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDES GUTTERS,
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SIDEWALKS, OPEN SPACE, SCHOOL FACILITIES, AND IMPACT FEES. THE BOLD
PROGRAM WILL
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ALLOW FOR THE FUNDING OF THESE, AND ALSO CAN ALLOW
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FOR
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THE FUNDING OF SERVICES. NEXT SLIDE. SO IN ORDER TO JOIN THE PROGRAM, LOCAL
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AGENCY BECOMES A FEBRUARY. IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING. THE LOCAL AGENCY
THAT THE
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CITY OF SEBASTOPOL TO HAVE A CONSULTANT PARTICIPATE, IT IF IT WISHES. AND THAT
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WOULD BE FUNDED
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AS A DEPOSIT. WE HAVE RESOLUTIONS IN FRONT OF YOU TO JOIN THE 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:59.000
PROGRAM ON THE JOINT CMFA. JONES HALL IS OUR BOND COUNCIL, AND THEY'RE
THE FIRM
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THAT DOES LEGAL WORK ON BEHALF OF CMFA. IN TERMS OF FUNDING THE
IMPROVEMENTS AND
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THE APPLICATION AGREEMENT WILL BE DRAFTED, THAT WILL COVER 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.000
THE FUNDING OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. AT THE TIME, THE BONDS ARE ISSUED WHEN 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.000
PROCEEDS ARE AVAILABLE. LOCAL AGENCY
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WILL ACCEPT THE COMPLETED
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IMPROVEMENTS AND FEES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? SO
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WHY THE LOCAL AGENCIES? THE BIG
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REASON IS IT'S AN OUTSOURCING OF THE FORMATION BOND ISSUANCE PROCESS.
THERE IS
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NO COST TO THE PROGRAM. AND CMFA DOES EVERYTHING. ON THE HOMEOWNERS TAX BILL,
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THERE IS A LINE ITEM THAT IS CMFA, AND IT DOES NOT SAY THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL.
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THERE IS NO ONGOING ADMINISTRATION REQUIRED BY THE CITY. SIMPLY PUT, ALL YOU
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NEED TO DO IS ACCEPT TO JOIN THE PROGRAM, THAT YOU WOULD ACCEPT 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.000
THE IMPROVEMENTS
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OR THE
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FEES. NEXT SLIDE. SO MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. SO WITH SMALL PROJECTS, AND LARGE
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PROJECTS, BUT REDUCE PROJECTS
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AS SMALL AS $500,000. ANY DEVELOPER
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WILL NEED TO FORM THE DISTRICT. AND WHEN BONDS ARE ISSUED, THERE'S
CERTAIN
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CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE MET. ALL DISCRETIONARY IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TO BE
PLACED,
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A LIEN OF 4-1, AND THE PROJECT MUST MEET THE
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CITY'S
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GOALS AND POLICIES. NEXT SLIDE.
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GREAT. THE FORMATION PROCESS IS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. ONCE IT'S A MEMBER
OFBOLD, THE DEVELOPER WILL PROVIDE THE APPLICATION TO PARTICIPATE TO THE PROGRAM.
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WE WOULD REACH OUT TO CITY STAFF, AND WE WOULD CHECK IN TO MAKE SURE WHAT THE
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DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO IS OKAY WITH STAFF. ONCE THAT'S APPROVED OR THE
CITY STAFF
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SAYS YES, THEN WE GO FORWARD
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AND WORK ON THE FORMATION OF THE CMFA THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE LEGAL
PROCESS OF
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REFERRING THE CFD. IT
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TYPICALLY
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TAKES ABOUT THREE MONTHS. NEXT SLIDE. SO ONCE THEY'RE FORMED, NOW WE'RE IN A
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POSITION TO ISSUE BONDS ON THE PROJECT. IT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS, BUT, YOU KNOW,
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YOU HAVE TO FORM BEFORE YOU
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COULD ISSUE BONDS FOR THAT. AND TYPICALLY POOL FINANCING WILL NOTE THE LARGER
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FINANCING AGAIN TO SAVE MONEY, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF PROCESS. AND WE
WOULD LAY
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IT OUT HERE, THE PROCESS, BUT TYPICALLY IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT FOUR MONTHS.
WE
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WOULD
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SELL THE BONDS TO INVESTORS. NEXT SLIDE. SO WE STARTED
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THE PROGRAM IN 2018. SO FOR ABOUT 70 LOCAL AGENCIES HAVE JOINED THE
PROGRAM,
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REFORMED 110 CFDs, ISSUING ABOUT $675 MILLION IN BONDS FOR 70 DIFFERENT 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:19.000
PROJECTS. AND THOSE PROJECTS WILL FUND THE IMPROVEMENTS 00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.000
FOR OVER 12,000 HOUSING UNITS. AND, YOU KNOW, CMFA IS ONE OF THEIR BIG
POLICIES
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TO HELP, YOU KNOW, INCREASE
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THE SUPPLY HOUSE WITHIN THE STATE. SO, YOU KNOW, IN 2026, WE'VE GOT TEN
SAFETIES
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AND THE FORMATION AS OF NOW. WE WILL PROBABLY FORM BETWEEN 20 AND 30
BEFORE THE
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YEAR IS DONE. WE'VE GOT SIX FINANCING SCHEDULES SO FAR. SO THINGS ARE MOVING
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RIGHT ALONG.LET ME GO AHEAD AND TURN IT BACK, I THINK IN 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:54.000
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TERMS
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OF THE CANOPY PROJECT. NEXT SLIDE. OH, I'M SORRY. I MISSED ONE. SO THIS IS A
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LISTING OF JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE FORMED A PROGRAM. AGAIN, WE STARTED THIS
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PROGRAM IN 2018. IT REALLY
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DIDN'T GET GOING UNTIL 2020, BUT SINCE THEN, WE'VE PROBABLY 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:14.000
ADDED FIVE TO EIGHT AGENCIES PER YEAR. AGAIN, WE'RE
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FORMING 25
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TO
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30 DISTRICTS IN HERE. NEXT SLIDE. I THINK I WILL TURN THIS BACK OR WOULD YOU
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LIKE ME TO TAKE THIS?
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>> I CAN TAKE IT, RALPH.
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>> CAN I INTERRUPT REAL QUICK. WE GENERALLY ALLOW TEN MINUTES FOR PRESENTATION.
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>> OKAY, WE'RE AT THE END. I APPRECIATE THAT, MADAM MAYOR. JUST ON A HIGH LEVEL
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WHAT THE BOLD PROGRAM WOULD ALLOW US TO DO WOULD PAY
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ALL OF OUR IMPACT FEES, WHICH ON THE SCREEN SHOWS ALL THE DIFFERENT
IMPACT FEES
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THE CITY OF
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SEBASTOPOL HAS. IT WOULD ALLOW US TO PAY THOSE IMPACT FEES, IF WE WERE
ACCEPTED
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AND APPROVED BY THE BOLD PROGRAM.I BELIEVE IT'S A LITTLE OVER $2.6
MILLION TO
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THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL, RIGHT OFF THE BAT. AND INSTEAD OF WHAT THE
CURRENT
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PROCESS IS, WE ARE ALLOWING NEW STATE LAWS TO REFER OUR IMPACT FEES. SO AS WE
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BUILD EACH PROJECT, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE IMPACT FEES 00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:23.000
UNTIL THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. SO AS A RESULT, IT WILL TAKE A YEAR OR TWO
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TO BUILD OUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT. ALL THE IMPACT FEES WOULD COME IN OVER TIME,
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OVER THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS, WHERE THROUGH THE BOLD PROGRAM, WE WOULD
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ALLOW, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY ALL THOSE IMPACT FEES THE CITY OF
SEBASTOPOL,
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RIGHT OFF THE BAT. AND THE FUTURE HOMEOWNERS OF THE CANOPY PROJECT WOULD SEE AN
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ASSESSMENT ON THEIR BILL OVER THE NEXT TAX BILL OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
SO AT A
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VERY HIGH LEVEL, THAT'S WHAT THE BOLD PROGRAM IS AND WOULD ALLOW US TO DO.
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>> OKAY, THANK YOU.
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>> YES, WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO THE DAIS HERE. I SEE
COUNCILMEMBER
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ZOLLMAN HAS HIS HAND UP.
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>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE HIGH LEVEL BECAUSE THAT WAS A LOT,
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A LOT ON SLIDES I COULD NOT READ. BUT THE UPSHOT I GOT FROM THE STAFF
REPORT IS
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AGAIN WHAT YOU JUST SAID. IF WE APPROVE THIS, WE'LL GET ALL OF OUR MONEY SOON,
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LIKE YOU MENTIONED, $2 MILLION. IF WE APPROVE IT TONIGHT, THEN WHEN WILL WE GET
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THE CHECK FOR THE $2 MILLION? I JUST NEED TO BE FRANK WITH THAT THINLY
STAFFED
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CITY HERE. WE DO NOT, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NEED TO GET A MESH ON THINGS UNLESS
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THE PAYOFF IS QUICK.
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>> ABSOLUTELY. AND I DO WANT TO NOTE THE BOLD PROGRAM, THERE WOULD BE NO STAFF
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TIME. THERE WOULD BE VERY LIMITED STAFF TIME. WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY PAY FOR ALL
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THAT. BUT IF RALPH IS STILL AVAILABLE, I BELIEVE IT IS LATE SUMMER, BUT
HE WOULD
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BE ABLE TO BETTER SPEAK EXACTLY WHEN THAT WOULD OCCUR.
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>> SO WHAT DRIVES
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THE TIMING IS THE PROJECT ITSELF. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'RE THERE IN THE Agemda Item Number 1
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DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. WE ARE PROBABLY
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LOOKING LATE SUMMER
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TO EARLY FALL.
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>> OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER? OH, I'M SORRY. DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:21.000
>> YOU KNOW, IT IS ONLY A COUPLE OF YEARS
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UNTIL ALL OF THESE FINISH. DEAR SCOUTS, THIS IS WHY YOU GO TO SCHOOL, SO
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DO SOME MATH HOMEWORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I DID SOME CALCULATIONS.
AND I TRY
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TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DAMAGE WAS DONE TO THE HOMEOWNERS FOR THIS. SO WHAT
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YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE BASICALLY ASSIGNING A BOND TO THE HOMEOWNER, 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:46.000
AND IT IS BEING ATTACHED TO THIS FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS. THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO OPT
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OUT OF IT. THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SELL OUT. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PAY OFF YOUR
MORTGAGE
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EARLY, BUT YOU CAN'T PAY THIS OFF EARLY. THIS WILL ADD ANOTHER MAYBE $200 TO
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$300 ONTO EVERYBODY'S MORTGAGE, ABOUT $900,000. SO I CALCULATED. MAYBE YOU
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WOULD, AND TRUST ME, I LOVE CITY VENTURES AND I'M SO GLAD YOU BUILT HERE, LIKE I
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WANT TO SUPPORT YOU GUYS. BUT I THINK THIS WOULD ADD ABOUT $200,000 OR $300,000
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TO YOUR BENEFIT FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH ISN'T SUPER SIGNIFICANT. AND FOR
US, LIKE
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IT MAY
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NOT SAVE THAT MUCH MONEY. YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE LIKELY YOU WEREN'T GOING TO
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UPFRONT. THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IT APPEARS THAT THE 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:43.000
HOMEOWNER MIGHT BE ON THE HOOK
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FOR LIKE $190,000 OVER THE TERM OF -- AND THAT'S 62 INDIVIDUALS THAT 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:54.000
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THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE HOMEOWNERS ARE
OBLIGATED TO
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OVER THESE 30 YEARS AND THE BENEFIT TO YOU AND FOR THE CITY. SO I'M KIND OF
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CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND WONDERING BECAUSE MAYBE WE SHOULD LEAVE THIS TO THE
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MARKET AND THEY COULD USE THEIR MORTGAGE FOR
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THAT SAVINGS OF $20,000, RATHER THAN THIS DEVICE TO
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SAVE SOME MONEY TO INCENTIVIZE SOME HOUSE BUILDING BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE
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WOULD BE ABOUT $60,000 TO $90,000 OFF THE HOME PRICE GUARANTEED THAT YOU WOULD
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NEED. IT WOULD WORK
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REDUCE THE PRICE BY.
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JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE ALREADY MEMBERS OF CMFA AND PARTICIPATE IN THE BOLD
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PROGRAM. JOINING THE BOLD PROGRAM ALLOWS US TO DO, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE
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DISCUSSED PAYING THE IMPACT FEES RIGHT AWAY. BUT WHAT IT ALSO ALLOWS US
TO DO IS
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REDUCE THE PRICES OF THE HOME OR BUY DOWN MORTGAGES FOR BUYERS, SO THEY COULD
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HAVE MORE BUYING POWER. SO IT IS NOT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. IT'S WIN, WIN.
FROM
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WHAT I UNDERSTAND, TWO THINGS,
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HOMEOWNER HERE WOULD BE FULLY AWARE OF THIS ANNUAL ASSESSMENT, BUT ALSO FROM
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WHAT I UNDERSTAND THROUGH, YOU KNOW, MARKETING AGENTS AND OTHER
COMMUNITIES
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THAT HAVE PARTICIPATED
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IN. THE BUYERS ARE -- I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SORT OF LOOKING OUT FOR THOSE FUTURE
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HOMEOWNERS. BUT COUNTERINTUITIVELY ALMOST, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:54.000
RIGHT WORD, AND OTHER COMMUNITIES APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
PARTICIPATE IN
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THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE IT REDUCES -- BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO NOT ONLY
REDUCE THE
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PRICE, BUT ALSO CREATE MORE INCENTIVES IN TERMS OF LIKE I SAID, BUYING
DOWN THE
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MORTGAGE.
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>> BUT THAT PRODUCTION ISN'T GUARANTEED. THERE IS NO QUANTITY THAT YOU'RE ABLE
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TO SAVE SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW? THAT IS THE POSSIBILITY FOR IT, BUT IS THAT
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POSSIBILITY GOING
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TO HAPPEN?
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>> OH, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY -- OBVIOUSLY IT DEPENDS ON HOW
TONIGHT
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GOES, BUT WE HAVE PLANNED TO -- WE NEED TO JOIN THE BOLD PROGRAM BEFORE WE
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CAN START ACTUALLY SELLING HOMES, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE READY TO START
SELLING
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HOMES. BUT I MEAN, WE CAN START SELLING HOMES ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT WE HAVE A
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MARKETING STRATEGY BASED ON IF WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:50.000
JOIN THE BOLD PROGRAM THAT WOULD HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT
INCENTIVES FOR
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BUYERS, INCLUDING REDUCED HOME PRICES FROM WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY
PROJECTING,
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AND ALSO THE AVAILABILITY TO BUY DOWN MORTGAGE RATES BETWEEN 3% TO 4%,
WHICH IS
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CURRENTLY MUCH LOWER THAN WHAT THE MARKET
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IS. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO BUILD OUT AND DEVELOP THE PROJECT FASTER.
FOR
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EXAMPLE, LIKE TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, IF WE LET THE MARKET DECIDE, THEN THE
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CURRENT MARKET, IN TERMS OF ABSORPTION AND HOW QUICKLY HOME SALES ARE
HAPPENING,
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THAT COULD TAKE POSSIBLY TWO, THREE, FOUR YEARS WITH THOSE ADDED INCENTIVES. WE
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ANTICIPATE THAT IT WOULD TAKE. IT WOULD
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BE A FASTER PROCESS.
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>> VICE MAYOR?
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>> SO I JUST WANT TO VERIFY. YOU SAID TO THE ATTORNEY, THERE IS NO COST, NO
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RISKS, AND NO LIABILITIES TO THE CITY?
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>> THAT'S RIGHT.
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>> THAT'S CORRECT.
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>> AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS ABOUT STAFF TIME. WE'RE SHORT STAFFED. HOW MUCH
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STAFF TIME WILL THIS REQUIRE?
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>> LESS THAN FIVE HOURS. VERY MINIMAL STAFFING.
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>> HOW MUCH
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OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS?
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>> CAN I SPEAK TO THAT? SO IN TERMS OF STAFF TIME, WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW,
SEVERAL
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CONFERENCE CALLS LESS THAN AN HOUR EACH. ALL THE STAFF TIME WILL BE
REIMBURSABLE
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FROM THE DEPOSIT THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL MAKE.
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>> OKAY.
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>> SO JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:29.000
THE CMFA PROGRAM FOLDED? WHAT HAPPENS THEN?
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>> THEN ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATION
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WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IT OVER. I DON'T
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KNOW. IT'S A
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PUBLIC AGENCY.
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>> SO THE TAX WILL ALREADY BE ON THE ASSESSMENT RULES THEN? IT EXISTS AND 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:59.000
PUBLIC AGENCIES CAN'T GO AWAY. SO THEY WOULD
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CONTINUE TO HAVE TO EXIST IN SOME FORM AND THE TAXES HAVE BEEN APPROVED ON THE
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PROPERTY TAX ROLE.
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>> BUT IT WON'T FALL BACK TO THE CITY?
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>> NO.
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>> OKAY. AND MY LAST QUESTION IS THEN SO DO BUYERS SAVE MONEY OR IS THIS MONEY
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THAT'S ADDED AS -- IS THERE INTEREST
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ON
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THIS MONEY THAT THEY OWE?
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>> DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT ROUTE?
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>> I COULD TAKE A RUN AT THAT. SOMETHING TO POINT OUT IS THAT BECAUSE OF YOUR
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PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, WE COULD FUND THESE IMPROVEMENTS WITH TAX DOLLARS.
SO THE
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INTEREST RATE ON THEM ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THEIR MORTGAGE RATE.
SO IF
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THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE HOUSE WITH, YOU KNOW, MORTGAGE RATES,
THEY'RE GOING
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TO BE FUNDING IT AT
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A 6% TO 6.5% RATE. FOR THE COMPONENT WE'RE FUNDING WITH THE BOLD
PROCEEDS, THE
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INTEREST RATE IS CONSIDERABLY LESS. IT IS MORE OF THE FIVE AND QUARTER RANGE.
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>> OKAY, THANK YOU.
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>> AND JUST TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS THAT. THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT THAT WOULD BE ON THE
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TAX BILL, THAT WOULD BE THE SAME AMOUNT FOR 30 YEARS. SO THAT WOULDN'T GO UP OR
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DOWN. IT WOULD BE THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT. IN TERMS OF THE MORTGAGE RATE THAT
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RALPH JUST EXPLAINED AGAIN. TO BE A PART OF THE PROGRAM WOULD ALLOW US TO HELP
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SOME FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS, YOUNG FAMILIES PAY DOWN THE MORTGAGES. SO
CURRENT
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MORTGAGE RATES ARE BETWEEN 6% TO 6.5%, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.000
OFFER INCENTIVES THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BUY DOWN MORTGAGE RATES, SO
THEY'RE
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CLOSER BETWEEN 3% TO 4.5%.
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>> SO I'M JUST GOING TO ASK A QUICK QUESTION. JUST FOR CLARITY BECAUSE I HEAR
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ALL THESE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, AND I'VE READ THIS, BUT YET I STILL FEEL LIKE
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THERE NEEDS TO BE CLARITY. IF WE HAD A $900,000 HOME, HOW DOES THIS IMPACT? I
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MEAN, I TRULY WANT TO HAVE SOME NUMBERS HERE. IF WE'RE SAYING SOMEONE WAS 00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:03.000
PURCHASING A HOME FOR $900,000, EXPLAIN TO
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ME WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE AND WHAT COST THIS IS TO THEM. I MEAN, JUST MAKE IT
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VERY SIMPLE FOR ALL OF US TO BETTER UNDERSTAND.
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>> VERY SIMPLE. I'LL SAY TWO THINGS. ONE, ON THAT $900,000 HOME, THERE'S
ROUGHLY
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ABOUT $45,000 OF IMPACT FEES, SO THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL WILL GET THAT
RIGHT AWAY
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INSTEAD OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS. AND THAT HOMEOWNER WOULD HAVE AN
ADDITIONAL
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ASSESSMENT ON THEIR TAX ROLL
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OF ROUGHLY $3,200 A YEAR. SO TWICE IN DECEMBER AND APRIL EVERY YEAR WHEN WE PAY
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OUR PROPERTY TAXES, THEY WOULD BE PAYING ABOUT $1,600 IN ADDITION. 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:39.000
>> IN ADDITION?
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>> THAT WOULD BE FULLY DISCLOSED AND BEFORE THEY ACQUIRE, YOU KNOW,
PURCHASE THE
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HOME. THEY'D BE AWARE OF THAT.
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>> SO THAT WOULD BE A COST ON TOP OF WHATEVER ELSE?
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>> ON TOP OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY TAX ALREADY, IF THERE ARE SPECIAL
ASSESSMENT
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DISTRICTS FOR FIRE OR ANY OTHER SORT OF ASSESSMENT THE AREA HAS ON YOUR TAX
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BILL. >> OKAY.
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>> IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL.
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>> GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN.
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>> THANK YOU. FIRST, HOW DOES THAT HELP THE FAMILIES THEN? THAT DOESN'T SOUND
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LIKE THAT WOULD BE A WIN FOR A FAMILY, FROM WHAT I JUST HEARD. FIRST OF ALL, I
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WANT TO KNOW, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF OTHER
MUNICIPALITIES
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THAT ARE JUMPING ON THIS BANDWAGON. YOU RATTLED OFF A FEW IN THE BEGINNING. WHO
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LOCALLY HAS JUMPED ON THE BANDWAGON, AT LEAST WITHIN SONOMA COUNTY? SO TWO
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QUESTIONS. >> I'LL TAKE THE FIRST QUESTION, AND THEN I THINK RALPH CAN
ADDRESS
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THE SECOND QUESTION BECAUSE BOLD ALSO HAS A COW SIN, SKIP, WHICH I KNOW A LOT OF
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LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES PARTICIPATE.BUT IN TERMS OF HELPING THE FAMILIES. IF YOU'RE
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PAYING, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR
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MONTHLY MORTGAGE IS BASED ON A 4, 4.5% RATE VERSES A 6% RATE, SO 01:00:54.000 --> 01:01:00.000
THAT WOULD HELP THE FAMILY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN SOME WAYS FROM SOME OF THE
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CALCULATIONS WE'VE DONE, IT ACTUALLY WORKS OUT TO BE, IN TERMS OF YOUR
OVERALL
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ANNUAL HOUSING COST, LESS, INCLUDING THE TAX. OR YOU HAVE A LOWER
PROPERTY -- IF
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WE ARE NOT BUYING DOWN A MORTGAGE, WE ARE JUST OFFERING HOMES FOR A LOWER PRICE.
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THAT OBVIOUSLY REFLECTS BASED ON A
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LOWER PROPERTY TAX BASIS, WHICH OVER TIME ALSO HELPS THE HOMEOWNER. 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:28.000
>> GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR.
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>> SO HOW MUCH IS EACH PROPERTY GOING TO BE DEFERRING THEN? 01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:35.000
>> I'M SORRY?
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>> HOW MUCH WOULD EACH PROPERTY BE -- HOW MUCH IS GOING TO BE DEFERRED? WAS IT
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$30,000? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID ON IMPACT FEES?
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>> OH, WELL, EACH PROPERTY, THE IMPACT FEES ARE BASED ON THE SQUARE
FOOTAGE, SO
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EACH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE PLANNED TYPE, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. BUT IT'S
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ROUGHLY ABOUT, I WOULD SAY BETWEEN $30,000
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TO $40,000 OF IMPACT FEES. SO I WORK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO PULL OUR
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BUILDING PERMITS AS WE GO BUILDING BY BUILDING. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE
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ENTIRE, LIKE A BUILDING PERMIT FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR AVERAGE UNIT IS
ROUGHLY
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BETWEEN $50,000 TO $60,000, BUT WE SEND IN A CHECK FOR $18,000. AND THEN, WE
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LIST OUT ALL THE IMPACT FEES THAT WE'RE DEFERRING. SO IT 01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:30.000
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IS ROUGHLY ABOUT THAT AMOUNT. THEN IN TERMS OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, RALPH,
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I KNOW WE HAD A SLIDE ABOUT THAT. TO YOUR POINT, IT WAS HARD TO READ. IF YOU
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COULD GO OVER SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE JOINED BOLD? 01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:48.000
>> SURE. TYPICALLY THIS PROGRAM IS UTILIZED WHERE IN COMMUNITIES THEY'RE 01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:52.000
BUILDING NEW HOMES. AND SO WHERE WE REALLY
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SEE IT IS THE VACAVILLE, FAIRFIELD. WE
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SEE IT IN PITTSBURG, SKIP IS IN BRENTWOOD, THE CONTINUED PROGRAM. WE'RE
ALL OVER
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THE CENTRAL VALLEY, WHERE A LOT OF HOMES ARE BEING
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CONSTRUCTED. PLACER
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COUNTY,
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ROSEVILLE, ROCKLAND, LINCOLN, RANCHO CORDOVA, THE CITY OF SACRAMENTO, AND THEN
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WE'RE DOWN THE VALLEY AND SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
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AS WELL. AS I MENTIONED. 70 DIFFERENT HAVE JOINED THE PROGRAM. 01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:34.000
>> COUNCILMEMBER HINTON HAS A QUESTION.
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>> YES. SO JUST KIND OF STUDYING IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU COULD LOWER THE
MORTGAGE
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BECAUSE OF THEIR TAX EXEMPT. THE
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CALCULATION IS ABOUT $68,000
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A YEAR IN INTEREST DIFFERENTIAL. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THEN IT'S DISCLOSED THEIR
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PROPERTY TAXES GO UP $1,800 OVERALL. SO THAT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE COST
SAVINGS TO
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THE HOMEOWNER, JUST ON A QUICK MATH. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU HAD SHOWED US THE
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MATH BECAUSE I THINK POINT OF ENTRY IS REALLY DIFFICULT WITH THE INTEREST RATES.
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>> ABSOLUTELY.
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>> FOR NEW HOME BUYERS, THAT'S THE DIFFICULT PART. THIS SYSTEM HELPS
BREAK THAT
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DOWN. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING?
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>> EXACTLY. BECAUSE YOUR ANNUAL ASSESSMENT, AGAIN, THESE ARE 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:38.000
AVERAGES, WILL BE ROUGHLY $3,200. AND SO, YOU KNOW,
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IT'S ABOUT $250, $275 A MONTH ADDITIONAL TAX, BUT TO YOUR POINT, YOU
WOULD BE
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SAVING, DEPENDING WHETHER YOU'RE AT 6%, 6.5%, VERSES 4.5% MORTGAGE,
YOU'LL BE
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SAVING MORE. SO TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHAT'S IN IT FOR THE BUYER? THAT'S
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WHAT'S IN IT FOR THE BUYER.
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>> OKAY, WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE
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HERE. I DON'T KNOW. GO AHEAD.
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>> JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU KEEP SAYING 4%, AND I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THE 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:15.000
LIKELIHOOD OF THAT OR HOW CAN WE BE SURE THAT THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE PASSED
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ON TO THE BUYER OR IT COULD BE? THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFICULT THING TO SAY.
IT'S A
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SUPER GREAT MARKETING STORY. OVER TIME IF YOU CAN CUT THE INTEREST RATE.
THAT'S
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A GREAT THING TO DO. IF YOU CAN ONLY CUT THE PRICE BY MAYBE 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:30.000
$20,000 OFF THE HOUSE, MAKE IT
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AN $880,000, INSTEAD OF $900,000,
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IT'S NEGLIGENTABLE. IF YOU GO DOWN TO FOUR, THAT'S WILDLY DIFFERENT, BUT I'M
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NOT REALLY SURE HOW YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT OFF OF THIS AMOUNT, LIKE IT
DOESN'T
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SEEM TO WORK OUT.
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>> WELL, AT OUR CURRENT COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SELLING IN THE BAY AREA,
INCLUDING
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JUST UP THE ROAD IN SANTA ROSA. IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE, WE OFFER THE
ABILITY
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TO, YOU KNOW, BUY DOWN YOUR MORTGAGE,
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LIKE ON OUR WEBSITE, PROMOTES 4 POINT SOMETHING PERCENT MORTGAGES. AGAIN, JUST
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THE CURRENT MARKET, WHICH WE'RE ALL AWARE OF. HOME BUILDERS AND
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ARE OFFERING THOSE
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TYPES OF INCENTIVES BECAUSE ULTIMATELY FOR HOME BUYERS AND CITIES AND
DEVELOPERS
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TO SELL
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THESE HOMES THAN HAVE THEM SIT. IN THE
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WAY WE DEVELOPED TOWN HOMES, WE BUILT BUILDING BY BUILDING. WE DIDN'T START
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UNTIL THE NEXT PREVIOUS BUILDING WAS HALF SOLD AND THE
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BUILDING BEFORE THAT WAS FULLY SOLD. SO IF THEY'RE NOT
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MOVING IN THE CURRENT MARKET. IT'S GOING TO TAKE MUCH LONGER TO BUILD UP THE
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PROJECT. WHAT THIS WILL ALLOW
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US TO DO IS ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, IN OUR VIEW, AND I THINK THE VIEW OF THE
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BUYERS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THESE COMMUNITIES IS A BETTER PROPOSITION
FOR THEM
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AND FOR US AND FOR THE CITY. SO THAT'S
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WHEN I KEEP SAYING WIN, WIN, I TRULY BELIEVE THE PROGRAM REPRESENTS THAT. 01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:10.000
>> VICE MAYOR?
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>> SO CAN THESE FEES BE PAID OFF EARLY
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BY THE HOMEOWNER?
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>> YES.
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>> YEP.
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>> OKAY, GREAT, THANK YOU.
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>> AND A QUESTION I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION SAYS WILL THE SPECIAL TAX
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HURT FUTURE HOME BUYERS? HOW DOES THIS IMPACT FUTURE HOME SELLERS AT ALL, IF
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ANY? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD?
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>> SO AT TEN YEARS FROM DOWN THE ROAD, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY WHO BOUGHT THE HOUSE
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WHEN IT WAS BUILT SOLD THE HOUSE. THAT ANNUAL ASSESSMENT WILL CONTINUE
WITH THAT
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HOUSE UNTIL IT'S PAID OFF, UNTIL THE BOND IS PAID OFF UNTIL 30 YEARS.
AGAIN,
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THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE SALES DISCLOSURE
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AND EVERYONE WOULD
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BE FULLY AWARE OF THAT. AFTER 30 YEARS, IT'S ALWAYS 30 BE 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:05.000
YEARS, RIGHT, RALPH?
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>> YES.
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>> IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO SCHOOL BONDS OR HOSPITAL BONDS OR FIRE DISTRICTS, YOU
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KNOW? IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE TYPE OF BONDS. A LOT OF US ALREADY SEE ON OUR
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TAX ROLL AND THEY
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ARE GENERALLY 30
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YEARS.
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>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, GO AHEAD.
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AND THE TAX STAYS WITH THE HOUSE
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OR IT STAYS WITH THE MORTGAGE, AND THEY ARE ABLE TO PAY IT OFF EARLY, BUT IT'S
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THE FULL AMOUNT FOR PAYING IT OFF EARLY?
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IT
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IS WITH THE HOUSE.
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>> I'M SORRY.
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>> YOU'RE ASKING IS THERE A BENEFIT TO PAYING IT
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OFF EARLY?
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>> I WOULD ARGUE NO.
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>> CAN HOMEOWNERS USE THIS AS A TAX WRITE OFF OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I'M JUST
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CURIOUS. >> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. RALPH, CAN HOMEOWNERS -- BECAUSE I
KNOW YOU
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CAN FOR SOME PROPERTY TAXES. CAN YOU USE THIS AS A TAX WRITE OFF? 01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:25.000
>> I BELIEVE THEY DO. I'M NOT A TAX ACCOUNTANT, BUT I BELIEVE HOMEOWNERS DO.
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>> TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN WRITE OFF YOUR PROPERTY TAXES, WHICH I KNOW
DEPENDING
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ON THE ADMINISTRATION EXISTS OR DOESN'T. THIS IS A PART OF YOUR OVERALL
PROPERTY
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TAX. AND SO TO
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THE EXTENT YOU CAN, ABSOLUTELY.
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>> SO I JUST HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. IS THIS A PROGRAM YOU JUST NOW THOUGHT? I
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KNOW WE HAVE BEEN TALKING CANOPY FOR A WHILE, AND IT JUST COMES UP NOW.
WAS THIS
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ALREADY IN THE WORKS LIKE IN YOUR PLAN, YOU KNOW ALONG THE WAY OR HOW DID THIS
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COME TO FRUITION?
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WORKS. WE NEVER CONSIDERED IT. SOME OF OUR, YOU KNOW, AS RALPH F
MENTIONED, WE
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DEVELOPED IN THE BAY AREA. I CONCENTRATE OBVIOUSLY ON SONOMA, NAPA, MARINE
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COUNTIES. AS RALPH MENTIONED, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF THAT MAJOR HOME
BUILDING
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DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU SEE IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY OR PARTS OF SACRAMENTO OR PARTS
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OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, SO WE WERE UNAWARE
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OF IT. IN OUR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA OFFICE, THEY HAVE A FEW DEVELOPMENTS DOWN
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THERE THAT ARE DEVELOPING IN AREAS WHERE THIS KIND OF PROGRAM EXISTS AND
ALL THE
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DEVELOPERS USE IT. THEY WERE TELLING US ABOUT IT. IT SORT OF REMINDED ME ABOUT
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CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH STEVE AND TORY AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ABOUT HOW
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WE'RE ONLY PAYING 20% OF THE BUILDING PERMIT BECAUSE WE'RE DEFERRING SO
MANY OF
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THESE FEES. I LEARNED THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO, 01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:55.000
AGAIN, PAY RIGHT OF IT ALL OFF. WE LEARNED ABOUT IT OVER THE LAST FEW
MONTHS,
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AND WE HAD A LOT OF GREAT CONVERSATION WITH CITY STAFF, MARY, ALEX, JANE, JOHN,
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AND WE STARTED TALKING TO THE CITY
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ABOUT HOW THIS COULD WORK HERE. AND SO NO, THIS WAS A RECENT -- WE
STARTED
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THINKING ABOUT IT, THEN WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT WAYS WE COULD, YOU
KNOW, IN
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THE CURRENT REAL ESTATE MARKET PROVIDE INCENTIVES AND LOWER THE PRICES FOR
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THE ABSORPTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS CAME ABOUT IN THE LAST THREE
TO FOUR
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MONTHS.
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>> SO I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. SO DID I READ IT CORRECTLY? MAYBE I
MISSED IT
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WHERE IT SAID YOU COULDN'T START SELLING HOMES UNTIL WE FIGURE THIS OUT? SO YOU
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HAVEN'T SOLD ANY HOMES YET?
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>> WE'RE MARKETING THE HOMES, BUT WE
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CAN'T GO INTO CONTRACT UNTIL -- CORRECT ME IF I'M
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WRONG, RALPH, BUT I BELIEVE WE CAN'T GO INTO CONTRACT
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UNTIL YOU JOIN THE PROGRAM. IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE PROGRAM, THEN WE
WOULD GO
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INTO CONTRACT. >> RIGHT. BUT THE POINT IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU SOLD SOME OR NOT
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AND NOW YOU'RE DOING THIS?
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>> NO, NO, NO. WE HAVE ACTUALLY DELAYED FOR THAT VERY REASON. IF YOU CAN ASK
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MARY, WE GOT BEFORE THE COUNCIL AS QUICKLY AS WE WOULD. WE WANTED TOO
HAVE THIS
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IN JANUARY BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO START. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE
INTERESTED,
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KNOCK ON WOOD. BUT YEAH, WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW ONE WAY OR ANOTHER BEFORE WE
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START SELLING.
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WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
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>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, SO THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BOLD PROGRAM
FOR THE
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CANOPY PROJECT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC HEARING, A PUBLIC
COMMENT,
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AGAIN, IT'S TWO MINUTES, TIME LIMIT. DOW CHAMBERS FIRST AND THEN GO OUT TO ZOOM.
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SO IF THERE IS ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC
COMMENT
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ON THE BOLD PROGRAM FOR THE CANOPY PROJECT, PLEASE COME 01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:48.000
UP TO THE PODIUM.
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>> I'M GLAD TO BE HERE FOR
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THE PRESENTATION. LAWRENCE JAFFEY, LOCAL RESIDENT, LOCAL RENTAL PROVIDER.
THERE
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ARE THREE PLACES WHERE I THINK THIS PROGRAM, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR 01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:01.000
QUESTIONS, IMPACT THE POTENTIAL BUYER OF THIS PROPERTY. THE FIRST, OUR 01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:04.000
DEVELOPERS ARE ASSUMING EVERYONE IS
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GOING TO GET A MORTGAGE. SO NOT EVERYONE OF THE 80 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
BUY WITH
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A MORTGAGE. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SELL THEIR HOUSES AND BUY HERE FOR CASH.
THOSE
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PEOPLE WILL NOW BE LOCKED IN TO PAY $2 FOR EVERY $1 OF ASSESSMENT IMPACT FEE
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BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY 30 YEARS. SO FOR EVERY DOLLAR THEY
BORROW,
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THEY'RE GOING TO PAY $2 BACK. THERE IS ONLY APPARENTLY A FEE FROM PIPER TO DO
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THIS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE FEE IS, BUT WE KNOW THAT'S ADDED ON TO WHAT
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THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO PAY ON THEIR TAXES. WHEN WILL IT AFFECT THE NEXT PEOPLE
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WHEN THEY GO TO SELL THEIR HOUSE? BECAUSE PEOPLE BUY THE HOUSE BY WHAT
THEY CAN
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AFFORD TO PAY. NOW THEIR TAXES ARE HIGHER. SO YOU LOOK AT THE TAXES AND
WHATEVER
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THE INTEREST RATES ARE AT THE DATE OF PURCHASE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING
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THE PRICE HOUSE WITHIN REACH OF WHAT PEOPLE CAN PAY. NOW THEY HAVE THIS HIGHER
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TAX ASSESSMENT. FOLKS WOULD BE INCENTIVIZED TO PAY THIS OFF. ALSO, THERE ARE
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ONLY VERY LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THIS IS DEDUCTIBLE. REMEMBER, WE
HAVE OUR
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SALT LIMITATIONS. THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY DEDUCTIBLE FOR OUR HOMEOWNERS.
YOU
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HAVE TO BE PRETTY LOW INCOME TO GET THIS DEDUCTION. I UNDERSTAND THE CITY MAY
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WISH TO RECEIVE AND FIND GREAT BENEFIT OF RECEIVING THE FULL IMPACT FEE, AND
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THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GIVING A DEEP CONSIDERATION. ALSO, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT
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BENEFIT FOR OUR DEVELOPER, WHO IS SHIFTING THE RISK OF
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THESE DOLLARS ONTO FUTURE HOMEOWNERS. AS WE'VE ABSORBED THE LAST 18
MONTHS,
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HOUSING PRICES HAVE DROPPED.ACTUAL COUNTY IS DROPPING.
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>> LAWRENCE, YOU HAVE ABOUT 15 SECONDS.
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEEP CONSIDERATION OF THE ISSUE.
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL GO OUT TO ZOOM. JUNE, 01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:56.000
CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
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>> YES, HI, GOOD EVENING. YEAH, THIS IS JUNE. AND YEAH, I HAVE SOME OF
THE SAME
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CONCERNS THAT LAWRENCE AND PHILL HAVE RAISED JUST ABOUT THE HOUSING
BURDEN ON
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ONGOING COSTS, YOU KNOW. OTHER PLACES MAY HAVE OPTED IN. FOLKS LIKE A
LOWER COST
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NOW, BUT THEN THERE'S A BURDEN OVER TIME. IT IS GOING TO SHOW UP ON THE
PROPERTY
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TAX. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE START SEEING THEIR PROPERTY TAXES GOING UP, AND
THEN THEY
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HAVE
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LESS APPETITE FOR OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF FOLKS, WHEN THEY
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WERE BUYING THE HOUSE, COULD OPT IN OR OPT OUT. SO IF THEY HAD THAT $40,000 AND
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THEY JUST WANTED TO PAY IT. BUT WITH THIS, IF A WEEK AFTER THEY BUY THE HOUSE
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THEY SAY THEY WANT TO PAY OFF THE BOND, THEY NEED TO PAY THE WHOLE
AMOUNT, WHICH
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IS DOUBLE THE COST. I WISH WE COULD GET IN WRITING F IT GOES FORWARD,
THAT IT
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WON'T BE AN INTEREST RATE ABOVE 4%. WE'RE HEARING 3% TO 01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:05.000
4%, THEN WE HEAR 3.25. COULD IT BE 6%? WHAT GUARANTEE DO WE HAVE ON WHAT THE
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INTEREST WILL BE ON THE BOND? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IN WRITING BEFORE GOING
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FORWARD. IT WOULD ALSO BE NICE TO
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SEE SOME GUARANTEE THAT THE HOMEOWNERS WILL, SURE, IT
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WOULD BE DISCLOSED
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TO THEM, BUT HOW PROMINENT BE? YOU'LL GET IT THIS AMOUNT OVER THE YEAR
WHEN YOU
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RESELL YOUR HOUSE IF YOU TRY TO PAY IT OFF, YOU'LL PAY X AMOUNT TO PAY
OFF THIS
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BOND. BECAUSE THE MIN YOU BUY, YOU'RE LOCKED
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TO COLLECT THE PROPERTY TAX. WE HAVE A LOT OF SHARED GOALS WITH THE
COUNTY, AND
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HOW WE
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FUND OUR PUBLIC SERVICES. SO I DO THINK IT'S
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THE CASE OF THOSE FINANCIERS, COLLECTING THEIR LOAN
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MONEY OVER ALL THE YEARS. YOU KNOW, ECONOMY HAS CHANGED AND THE BURDENS
ARE OUT
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TO THE FUTURE.
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>> JANE, THAT'S TWO MINUTES.
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. IF ANYONE
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WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE, I'LL GO BACK
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OUT TO ZOOM. KATE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
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>> THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU. CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER STILL?
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>> I CAN.
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>> GREAT, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
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>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT NUMBER ONE, IF THE CONSUMERS CAN DECIDE ON
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ARE PROBABLY MUCH MORE EXPERIENCED WITH PRICING HOMES AND DEVELOPING THEM AND
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SELLING THEM THAN MOST OF US PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. IF THEY FEEL LIKE
CONSUMERS
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WANT TO TAKE ON THIS EXTRA EXPENSE, WHICH WOULD ALWAYS BE DISCLOSED TO THEM
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BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MORTGAGES AND PRICING WORK. THEN I THINK THAT IT SEEMS LIKE
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WE WOULD LIVE IN
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A MARKETED ECONOMY FOR NOW. THE MARKET WORKS IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
THIS
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SEEMS TO BE A STRATEGY THAT'S WORKING. THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO SAY IS THAT
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INFLATION IS ALSO A CONSTANT IN OUR ECONOMY. SO IF WE DELAY GETTING THE
MONEY TO
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THE CITY
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OF THE
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IMPACT FEES IS SUPPOSE TO COMPLETE WILL ALSO GO UP. ALL THE IMPACT FEES 01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:38.000
THEMSELVES WILL REMAIN THE SAME. SO YOU ARE BASICALLY, IF YOU COLLECT THE SAME
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AMOUNT OF MONEY FIVE YEARS
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FROM NOW, IT WON'T BUY AS MUCH IN MARKET FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. AND LIKE
MORTGAGES
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THAT ARE 30 YEARS OLD, THIS BOND AMOUNT WILL SEEM MUCH SMALLER 01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:59.000
IN 10, 15,
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20 YEARS BECAUSE AS INFLATION INCREASES OVER TIME, PRICES THAT ARE LOCKED IN A
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DIFFERENT MOMENT SEEM MUCH CHEAPER, WHICH IS
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WHY PEOPLE
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WHO BOUGHT THEIR HOUSES, ONLY PAY $600,000 A YEAR ON PROPERTY TAXES 01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:21.000
HAVE EXTREMELY LOW PROPERTY TAXES. SO GIVEN THE FACT WE HAVE INFLATION ON ONE
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SIDE AND A MARKET ON THE OTHER, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN A GOOD
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LIGHT BY THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU, KATE FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS.
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IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE
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BOLD PROGRAM? SEEING N I'LL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. IF THERE IS ANYONE ON
ZOOM THAT
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WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS BOLD PROGRAM. PLEASE 01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:48.000
RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY. SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC
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HEARING IS CLOSED.
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>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR?
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>> SO I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WILL THE PROGRAM, WILL THE BOLD
PROGRAM BE
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OPTIONAL FOR HOME BUYERS
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OR IS IT REQUIRED?
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>> IT
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WOULD NOT BE OPTIONAL. FOR THE 68 -- THE
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MARKET BASED HOMES, THE INCLUSIONARY AFFORDABLE HOMES DO NOT PARTICIPATE.
BUT
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FOR THE 68 MARKET RATE HOMES, IF WE WERE GRANTED THE ABILITY TO APPLY TO THE
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BOLD PROGRAM, IT WOULD APPLY TO ALL 68 HOMES.
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>> OKAY. WILL THERE BE CLEAR DISCLOSURES?
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>> ABSOLUTELY.
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>> CAN THE INTEREST RATE BE SECURE? HOW CAN WE BE SURE THAT INTEREST RATE IS
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STABLE? >> NOW, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE I KNOW A PUBLIC COMMENTER
BROUGHT
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THAT UP. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE INTEREST RATE ON THE BOND OR THE
INTEREST RATE
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FOR THE HOMEOWNER?
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>> THE RATE THE HOMEOWNER
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WILL BE PAYING?
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>> SO THE BOND, AND RALPH CAN EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THIS. BUT THE BOND
INTEREST
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RATE, I BELIEVE IS STABLE OVER 30 YEARS. I'M NOT SURE. RALPH? 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:10.000
>> IT IS. SO THE BOND RATE IS SET AT THE TIME OF PRICING, AND IT'S FIXED
AT THAT
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POINT. IT'S NOT FIXED UNTIL BONDS ARE SOLD, BUT THEY'RE IN THE CURRENT
MARKET,
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WHERE YOU ARE LOOKING AT LOW 5s.
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>> AND THEN THE MORTGAGE RATE, LIKE IF WE WERE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I
THOUGHT ONE
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OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. IN NO WAY WOULD A
DEVELOPER BE
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PROPOSING THIS PROGRAM THAT WOULD JUST RAISE THE PRICES ON POTENTIAL
HOMEOWNERS
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EVEN MORE THAN THE EXISTING HOME PRICE WITHOUT MAKING ANY CHANGES,
ESPECIALLY IN
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THIS MARKET. MEANING THE INCENTIVES TO BUY DOWN MORTGAGES, THE ACTUAL
REALITY OF
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LOWERING HOME PRICES ARE A PART OF THE WHOLE PROGRAM BECAUSE NO HOME BUYER
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WOULD, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND MY POINT ON THAT. SO IN TERMS OF YOUR
QUESTION
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ABOUT THE MORTGAGE RATE, THAT WOULD --
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>> THE INTEREST RATE ON THE BOLD FEE.
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>> THE INTEREST RATE ON THE BOLD FEE?
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>> THE IMPACT FEE. THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL TAX ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILL. IS THAT
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GOING TO BE
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STABLE?
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>> YES. THE BOLD, YES, THE BOND, YES, AS RALPH JUST DESCRIBED, THAT WOULD BE
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SOLID. >> GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER HINTON?
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>> SO JUST HAVING LISTENED TO THIS. I KNOW IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO SELL HOMES
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RIGHT NOW AND BUILD THEM. I HAVE A GOOD FRIEND, MY BEST FRIEND ACTUALLY WHO
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WORKS. AND THINGS ARE SLOWING DOWN. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE
PROPOSING
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THIS TO US BECAUSE YOU THINK THIS IS GOING TO HELP YOU SELL THESE HOMES? 01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:40.000
>> YES.
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>> AND THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE TO THE CITY. AND I'M NOT AN 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:49.000
EXPERT IN THIS AREA, BUT I DO BELIEVE
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PEOPLE BUYING HOMES HAVE TO
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UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE COMMITTING TO. I FEEL
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LIKE OUR STAFF IS COMFORTABLE, THEN I WOULD SUPPORT -- I DON'T THINK YOU'RE
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GOING TO PUTT ANYTHING IN TO HELP YOU NOT SELL HOMES.
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>> EXACTLY, YES.
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>> ANY WAY, I JUST WANT TODAY ADD THAT COMMENT.
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>> THANK YOU.
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>> SO ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO IF SOMEONE COMES IN
AND PAYS
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CASH, THEN THEY'RE JUST GOING TO -- THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST PAY THIS
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OFF. BUT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY --
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>> IN THAT CASE, THEY PROBABLY WOULD PAY CASH FOR A LOWER PRICED HOME. WE CAN'T
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OFFER A MORTGAGE INCENTIVE. THE HOME PRICE
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WOULD BE
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LOWER.
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>> OKAY. GO AHEAD.
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>> I THINK YOU HAVE AN EXCELLENT PRODUCT. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THEM. I THINK 01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:45.000
THEY'RE GORGEOUS, AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SELL. BUT I DON'T THINK
THAT'S A
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REASON FOR YOU TO NEED THIS
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TOOL. AND I THINK IT
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IS COME COME FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. AGAIN, I SUPPORT THE
DEVELOPMENT A
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LOT. BECAUSE LIKE THERE IS NO GUARANTEE ON LIKE HOW MUCH YOU'LL REDUCE IT 01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:08.000
BECAUSE THIS IS A FLUCTUATING THING THAT HAPPENS MONTHLY, 01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:13.000
YOU KNOW, LIKE THINGS CHANGE. SO YEAH. I REALLY WANT YOU GUYS TO DO
GREAT, BUT I
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DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO HELP HERE.
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>> THANK
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YOU.
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>> ANYONE ELSE? ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. SO DO
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WE HAVE A MOTION OR OTHER THOUGHTS?
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>> I'LL GO AHEAD AND
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MAKE THE MOTION, I GUESS. I WOULD MOVE THAT
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-- WOULD IT BE WE WOULD
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-- I WOULD MOVE THAT WE SUPPORT
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THE RESOLUTION JOINING THE CMFA AND A RESOLUTION APPROVING AUTHORIZING 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:53.000
PARTICIPATION IN THE BOLD PROGRAM FOR THE CANOPY HOUSING PROJECT. ALL
COSTS TO
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THE CITY CAN BE REIMBURSED THROUGH THE BOLD PROGRAM. IS THAT WHAT I NEED 01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:58.000
TO SAY?
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>> I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT, MARY?
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>> THANK YOU, SO MOVED BY COUNCILMEMBER HINTON AND SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR MAURER
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TO APPROVE AND ADOPT THE RESOLUTION JOINING THE CMFA AND APPROVE AND
ADOPT A
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RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE BOLD SOLELY FOR THE CITY VENTURES, THE CANOPY 01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:16.000
DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?
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>> NO.
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>> COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
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>> YES.
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>> COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN?
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>> YES.
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>> VICE MAYOR MAURER?
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>> YES.
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>> MAYOR MCLEWIS?
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>> YES.
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>> MOTION PASSES 4-1 WITH COUNCILMEMBERS HINTON, ZOLLMAN, VICE MAYOR
MAURER, AND
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MAYOR MCLEWIS IN SUPPORT, AND COUNCILMEMBER CARTER IN OPPOSITION. 01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:49.000
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO,
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LET'S SEE, ITEM NUMBER 7. THAT IS THE SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE, PUBLIC
HEARING TO
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CONSIDER FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION OF ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER
8.80 OF
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THE CITY'S SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AND COMMUNITY
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SAFETY ORDINANCE. AND I DON'T KNOW.
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>> I'LL BE PRESENTING THAT, MAYOR. GETTING SCREEN SHARING PRIVILEGES. 01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:08.000
>> MAYBE
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WE'LL
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GIVE THEM A MINUTE. THANK YOU. HOW ABOUT WE -- CAN WE TAKE A BIO 01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:27.000
BREAK FOR FIVE MINUTES? [ MEETING WILL RESUME
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AFTER A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK ]
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>>> ALL
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RIGHT, WE'RE BACK. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE GOING TO PICK UP WITH NUMBER SEVEN,
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SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE. I THINK OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO KICK THAT OFF.
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>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, ONCE AGAIN, AND COUNCILMEMBERS. TONIGHT, BEFORE
YOU AS A
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PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 8.80, THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL CODE, 01:28:54.000 --> 01:29:00.000
THE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AND COMMUNITY ORDINANCE. SO THE COUNCIL FIRST 01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:04.000
APPROVED THIS ORDINANCE BACK IN 2022. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FINDINGS AND THE 01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:09.000
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PURPOSE THAT'S STATED THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT BIOMETRIC
CAMERAS
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AND SORT OF ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES. BUT IT'S MUCH BROADER THAN 01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:16.000
THAT AND THE ACTUAL
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DEFINITIONS. SO IT
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DEFINES SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY, ANY
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SOFTWARE, ELECTRONIC DEVICE OR SIMILAR. PRIMARILY INTENDED TO COLLECT,
PERTAIN,
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SHARE AUDIO, ELECTRONIC, VISUAL,
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BIOMETRIC. ALL THE FACTORY, SIMILAR INFORMATION, SPECIFICALLY ASSOCIATED 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:46.000
WITH ANY INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP. SO VERY BROAD TALKING ABOUT 01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:52.000
SOME SORT OF ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES, BUT ALSO VERY SIMPLE TECHNOLOGIES 01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:58.000
LIKE VIDEO AND AUDIO RECORDING. THE DEFINITION PROVIDES 01:29:58.000 --> 01:30:01.000
EXAMPLES. THIS IS A NON-EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF LICENSE PLATE READERS, TOLL
READERS,
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GUNSHOT DETECTION, HARDWARE
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AND SOFTWARE MOBILE DNA CAPTURE. CLOSED CIRCUIT TELEVISION CAMERA IS 01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:14.000
ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE LIST. THE OTHER EXAMPLES, YOU KNOW, X-RAY VANS,
SOFTWARE
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DESIGN
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AND MONITOR SOCIAL MEDIA SERVICES. RADIO FREQUENCY I.D. SCANNERS. SO AGAIN,
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YOU'RE SEEING THE DEFINITION IS, YOU KNOW, HAS A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF VERY 01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:33.000
ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY, BUT ALSO THE
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CLOSED CIRCUIT TELEVISION CAMERAS. SO CURRENTLY WHAT THE ORDINANCE
REQUIRES
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IS THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE BIOORDINANCE AS SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY EACH TIME
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BEFORE THE CITY CAN SEEK FUNDS
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OR ACCEPT DONATIONS FOR SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY. ACQUIRE 01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:55.000
OR BORROW NEW SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY. USE NEW SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY.
USE
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EXISTING SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY FOR A PURPOSE IN A MANNER OR IN A
LOCATION, NOT
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PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. OR BEFORE
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THE CITY, AN AGREEMENT INCLUDING ORAL AGREEMENT WITH
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A NON-CITY ENTITY TO ACQUIRE SHARE OR OTHERWISE USE TECHNOLOGY. THAT'S ANY OF
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THE TYPES OF SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL
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FALL UNDER THAT DEFINITION. SO THE BROAD NATURE
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OF THE ORDINANCE HAS CREATED SOME IMPACTS RECENTLY. ONE OF THEM BEING THE CITY
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CAN'T UPGRADE SOME OF THEIR OLDER TECHNOLOGY WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THAT 01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:39.000
SPECIFIED PROCESS
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IN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH INVOLVES A REPORT ON CONSENT AND 01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:49.000
THEN, YOU KNOW, 45 DAYS LATER, A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE ORDINANCE. BUT 01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:52.000
BEFORE IT UPGRADES THE TECHNOLOGY. SO THIS HAS COME UP WITH THE POLICE 01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:58.000
DEPARTMENT, WHERE THEY HAVE
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SECURITY CAMERAS AT SOME FACILITIES AROUND THE CITY, EXISTING LONG, BUT THEY
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DON'T RECORD, THEY ONLY CAPTURE LIVE FEED. SO TO MAKE THEM RECORD, THAT'S A NEW
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TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY. AND SO IT IS REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS. THE
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SAME THING WOULD BE TRUE FOR OTHER TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES, YOU
KNOW, TO
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BRING THINGS UP TO MODERN STANDARDS. I THINK I USED THE EXAMPLE OF GOING FROM
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BLACK TO WHITE IN THAT REPORT. THE DEPARTMENT CANNOT USE PRIVATELY OWNED 01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:32.000
SECURITY CAMERA. IF THERE IS A CRIME, WE HAVEN'T APPROVED USING 01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:37.000
THE PARTICULAR BUSINESSES SECURITY CAMERAS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE.
SO THEY
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CAN'T USE THOSE CAMERAS UNLESS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND IDENTIFY
ALL THE
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LOCATIONS WHERE IT IS LOUD AND THAT PROCESS. AND STAFF DOESN'T BELIEVE
THAT WAS
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THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE. JUST BASED ON ALL THE LANGUAGE AND THE
ORDINANCE
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THAT THAT IS REALLY THE INTENT, YOU KNOW, A COUNCILMEMBER BROUGHT UP A FEW
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MEETINGS AGO THIS IS A POTENTIAL FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, AND WE LET THEM KNOW THIS
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IS SOMETHING WE WERE WORKING ON TO BRING TO THE COUNCIL, SO YOU COULD BE BEFORE
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YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE. SO WHAT THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENT
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WOULD DO IS THAT COUNCIL APPROVAL WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED FOR THE USE OF
SECURITY
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CAMERAS WHETHER PUBLICLY PRIVATELY OWNED AS LONG AS THE SECURITY CAMERA ONLY
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CAPTURES VIDEO AND SOUND, AND DOESN'T HAVE
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ANY OF THESE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES. DOESN'T COLLECT THERMAL, ANY OTHER TYPE
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OF TECHNOLOGY OR RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY. ALL
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WOULD
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STILL REQUIRE APPROVAL. BUT THIS KIND
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OF TECHNOLOGY, CAMERAS, TRADITIONAL CAMERAS, WOULD NOT UNLESS IT'S IN A NEW
01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:04.000
LOCATION, A CITY-OWNED LOCATION. SO IF WE WERE TO INSTALL NEW CAMERAS AT SOME
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CITY PROPERTY, WHERE THEY DON'T CURRENTLY EXIST, THAT WOULD REQUIRE
APPROVAL
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FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT
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USING A PRIVATELY OWNED CAMERA WOULD NOT OR UPGRADING A CITY CAMERA, AS
LONG AS
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THEY STILL ONLY CAPTURE VIDEO AND SOUND WOULD NOT. I'LL NOTE 01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:29.000
THIS IS REALLY
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ABOUT ALLOWING RESPONSE TO SPECIFIC INCIDENTS. SO CAMERAS COULD BE USED
TO VIEW
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SPECIFIC INCIDENTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE CRIMES OF, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY
ROBBERY OR
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GRAFFITI AT CITY HALL. YOU WANT TO SEE WHO DOES
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THAT. IT'S NOT ABOUT DATA COLLECTION OR MONITORING. WHILE IT DOES NOT SAY THAT
01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:53.000
EXPLICITLY IN THE ORDINANCE. BUT
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BECAUSE THESE CAMERAS ARE, YOU
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KNOW, THIS BASIC TECHNOLOGY, THERE IS NO -- SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO
LITERALLY
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MONITOR IT. SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE EVERY PERSON THAT WALKS DOWN THE
STREET,
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SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THAT FOOTAGE TO RECORD THAT. WE'RE NOT 01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:18.000
USING ANY SORT OF HIGH-TECH. SOME OF THESE RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY THAT
COULD DO
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THAT AUTOMATICALLY. NONE OF THAT IS SORT OF AUTOMATIC WORK WOULD BE DONE.
SO IT
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WOULD REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, DEDICATING A HUGE AMOUNT OF STAFF RESOURCES TO 01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:37.000
DO THAT KIND OF SURVEILLANCE, AND SO AGAIN, THAT IS WHY THE PURPOSE IS REALLY
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ABOUT GIVING THE CITY TOOLS TO DEAL WITH SPECIFIC INCIDENTS OR PURPOSES.
SO
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TRADITIONAL SECURITY CAMERAS IS THE DEFINITION THAT WOULD BE ADDED IF THE 01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:49.000
COUNCIL DECIDED THIS WAS THE ORDINANCE THEY WANTED TO APPROVE, MEANS ANY CAMERA
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THAT IS
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SOLELY CAPABLE OF CAPTURING
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VIDEO. CAPTURING AND RECORDING VIDEO AND/OR AUDIO, YOU
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KNOW, TRADITIONAL SECURITY CAMERAS
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DO NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING.SIMILAR INFORMATION, INVOLVING THE USE OF
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ANY PREDICTED TECHNOLOGY, SCANNING TECHNOLOGY, ARTIFICIAL TECHNOLOGY, OR 01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:18.000
RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGIES. SO THINGS LIKE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS OR
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ANYTHING LIKE
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THAT WOULD NOT BE COVERED WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF TRADITIONAL SECURITY CAMERAS.
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SO THIS IS THE RELEVANT SECTION IN THE CODE. SAYING WHERE THE CITY
COUNCIL HAS
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TO OBTAIN WHERE APPROVAL IS NECESSARY
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FOR
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THE CITY COUNCIL. SO SEEKING FUNDS RIGHT NOW, COUNCILMEMBER APPROVAL IS
REQUIRED
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FOR SEEKING FUNDS FOR SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
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YOU KNOW, APPLYING FOR GRANTS OR THOSE THINGS. ADDING THE WORD, EXCEPT FOR
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TRADITIONAL SECURITY CAMERA. AND THIS
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IS ONLY ABOUT FUNDING. ACQUIRING OR BORROWING A NEW SURVEILLANCE
TECHNOLOGY,
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INCLUDING NOT LIMITING
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THE TECHNOLOGY
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WITHOUT THE EXCHANGE MONEYS OR CONSIDERATION. AND I'LL JUST NOTE, YOU
KNOW, THIS
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WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE A BUDGETED EXPENDITURE TO THE CITY'S PROCUREMENT
POLICIES
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AND BUDGET POLICIES. OR USING A NEWER OR EXISTING SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY FOR A
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PURPOSE IN THE MANNER AND THE LOCATION NOT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL.
01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:30.000
THIS DOES NOT APPLY
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TO TRADITIONAL SECURITY CAMERAS, EXCEPT FOR THE USE OF TRADITIONAL
SECURITY
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CAMERAS OWNED BY THE CITY IN A NEW LOCATION. SO AGAIN, IF THE CITY IS
INSTALLING
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SECURITY CAMERAS SOME PLACE NEW, WE WOULD STILL REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL.
BUT
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THIS FACILITATES THE
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USE OF PRIVATE SECURITY CAMERAS. AND THE AGREEMENT FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL 01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:58.000
BEFORE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT TO USE CAMERAS WITH A THIRD PARTY,
ADDING THE
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LANGUAGE. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE USING TRADITIONAL SECURITY CAMERAS FOR A 01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:10.000
SPECIFIC INCIDENT OR EVENT, AS LONG AS SUCH USE IS NOT PART OF AN ONGOING 01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:15.000
ARRANGEMENT WITH A NON-CITY ENTITY. AND AGAIN, THIS LANGUAGE WOULD INTEND TO
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REFLECT ON WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS ABOUT USING PRIVATE CAMERAS FOR
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SPECIFIC EVENTS. IT'S NOT ABOUT ACCESSING SOMEONE, A PRIVATE SECURITY
CAMERA,
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YOU KNOW, AS PART OF A SURVEILLANCE NETWORK ON A PERMANENT BASIS. THAT WOULD,
01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:37.000
ANY TYPE OF ONGOING ARRANGEMENT WOULD STILL REQUIRE COUNCIL 01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:40.000
APPROVAL. THIS IS ABOUT RESPONDING TO SPECIFIC EVENTS USING, YOU 01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:47.000
KNOW, SOMEONE AGREEING TO GIVE THAT VIEW OF THEIR PRIVATE SECURITY
FOOTAGE
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BECAUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT SOMETHING FOR A
CRIME, NOT
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A PERMANENT THING. SO IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE 01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:56.000
AMENDMENTS, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO INTRODUCE AND WAIVE THE FIRST
READING
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OF THE
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ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 8.80, THE SEBASTOPOL MUNICIPAL CODE. SO WITH
THAT, I
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WILL PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS.
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>> OKAY. I KNOW VICE MAYOR HAD HER
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HAND UP FIRST.
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>> TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE POLICE NEED A WARRANT TO
ACCESS A
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PRIVATE CAMERA? THIS DOESN'T GIVE BLANKET ACCESS TO ALL PRIVATE CAMERAS,
IS THAT
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CORRECT? >> SO THIS DOES NOT CHANGE ANY OBLIGATIONS OF THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT
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UNDER THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEED A WARRANT TO 01:39:35.000 --> 01:39:40.000
UNILATERALLY ACCESS A PRIVATE CAMERA. SOMEONE CAN VOLUNTARILY COME BRING THEIR,
01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:42.000
YOU KNOW, AND ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN, BUT THIS DOES NOT CHANGE ANY WARRANT 01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:46.000
REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
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>> OKAY. AND THEN WE RECEIVED A COUPLE E-MAILS ON THIS, AND I'M JUST
GOING TO
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READ A COUPLE SENTENCES FROM THIS ONE E-MAIL, AND I'D LIKE YOUR FEEDBACK
ON WHAT
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THEY'RE SAYING. INSTEAD OF MODIFYING THE ORDINANCE TO CREATE 01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:05.000
A WAY FOR UNACCOUNTABLE NON-TRANSPARENT, WARRANTLESS CITY WIDE DRAGNET 01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:09.000
SURVEILLANCE TOOLS IN YOUR CITY, YOU
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SHOULD
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INSTEAD MODIFY SECTION 8.80.040 TEMPORARY ACQUISITION
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DURING CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE ORDINANCE. AND I WOULD LIKE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS.
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>> I SAW THAT COMMENT. I'M NOT -- THERE ISN'T AN EXCEPTION IN THERE FOR THE
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EXISTING ORDINANCE WHERE
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THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR WHOEVER DOESN'T NEED TO -- GO THROUGH THIS 01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:46.000
PROCESS OF THE COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR CIRCUMSTANCES, WHICH ARE, 01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:50.000
LET ME PULL UP THE SORT OF -- I'M GOING
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TO PARAPHRASE WHAT THAT MEANS. BUT IT'S FOR THE
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LIFE AND SAFETY MEDIA, LIFE AND SAFETY NEEDS. AND THE ISSUE WITH THAT
HERE IS
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THAT, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY A CRIME HAPPENED FIVE DAYS AGO. THERE'S 01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:12.000
NO LONGER ANY EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES. THE CRIME IS IN THE PAST. YOU NO LONGER
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-- THERE'S NO LONGER THE IMMEDIATE RISK TO HEALTH OR SAFETY OR THOSE
SORTS OF
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THINGS, SO IT DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE WE WOULD JUST RELY ON THAT
EXEMPTION
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BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO APPLY IN A LOT OF THESE SITUATIONS. YOU KNOW,
IF THERE
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WAS A LIVE PURSUIT OF, YOU KNOW, GOD FORBID A SHOOTING AND THE POLICE WERE
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CHASING SOMEONE AND WANT TO ACCESS THAT. THAT MIGHT BE A SITUATION WHERE THAT
01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:43.000
WOULD APPLY. BUT IF THERE IS A CRIME IN THE PAST THAT IS NO LONGER 01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:46.000
ONE
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OF THOSE
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IMMEDIATE THREATS TO -- TO HEALTH AND SAFETY. I'M JUST
01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:58.000
PULLING
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UP THE EXACT LANGUAGE THERE.
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>> SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULDN'T REALLY COVER THE NEEDS THAT ARE BEING
01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:13.000
EXPRESSED RIGHT NOW BY
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THE POLICE DEPARTMENT?
01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:25.000
>> CORRECT. AND JUST TO READ THIS, WHAT IT SAYS IS, YOU KNOW, OPT TO USE THESE
01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:31.000
TECHNOLOGIES DURING CIRCUMSTANCES, WHICH FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS CHAPTER IS
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DEFINED AS AN EMERGENCY INVOLVING IMMINENT DANGER OR DEATH OR SERIOUS
PHYSICAL
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INJURY TO ANY PERSON THAT REQUIRES IMMEDIATE USE OF THE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY.
01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:41.000
SO THAT IMMINENT DANGER
01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:44.000
IS REALLY
01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:47.000
ABOUT THINGS HAPPENING NOW, NOT
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IN A TYPICAL SITUATION.
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>> OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO TO THE RIGHT HERE AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO THE 01:42:53.000 --> 01:42:58.000
LEFT. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
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>> OKAY, CAN I ASK A SITUATION? A FEW YEARS AGO, MY CAR WAS BROKEN INTO 01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:07.000
RIGHT HERE ON MORRIS. I WAS AT A BIRTHDAY PARTY AT THE CROOKED GOAT, AND 01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:11.000
SOMEBODY BUSTED OUT MY WINDOWS AND ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS, AND I HAD LEFT MY
01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:16.000
WALLET IN MY GLOVE BOX AND LOST A LOT OF
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CASH AND ALL MY PERSONAL INFORMATION. BECAUSE OF THIS ORDINANCE, WE COULD NOT
01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:27.000
USE THE CAMERAS THAT WERE SET UP ON THE AUTO BODY SHOPS ACROSS THE STREET FROM
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MORRIS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT AND INVESTIGATE THAT CRIME, CORRECT? 01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:35.000
>> CORRECT. IT WOULD REQUIRE UNDER WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS, IT WOULD
REQUIRE
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COUNCIL APPROVAL TO USE ANY CAMERA, INCLUDING PRIVATELY OWNED ONES. 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:45.000
>> AND JUST TO REITERATE, WE DID HEAR ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITH AN E-MAIL FROM
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DANIELLE AT RETRO GRADE WHO ALSO HAS A CAMERA BEHIND HER SHOP AND HAD A BREAK
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IN, AND WE COULDN'T INVESTIGATE IT BECAUSE WE COULDN'T USE HER OWN CAMERA FOR
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HER OWN CRIME TO MAKE AN ARREST, CORRECT?
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>> CORRECT.
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>> THANK YOU.
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>> GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN?
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>> COUNCILMEMBER MAURER, THANK YOU FOR REFERRING TO THAT E-MAIL BECAUSE I 01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:11.000
ACTUALLY WANT TO FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION ON THE REST OF THE CONTENTS OF THAT 01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:16.000
E-MAIL. SO TO COVER THE SITUATION WITH DANIELLE AND TO COVER THE
SITUATION OF
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COUNCILMEMBER HINTON JUST IDENTIFIED, THE REST OF THIS E-MAIL STATES THAT SHOULD
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WE DECIDE TO DO THIS TO ASSIST OUR
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LAW ENFORCEMENT BY USING TAPES, TAPES FROM OUR EQUIPMENT, FROM PRIVATE
CITIZENS,
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WE COULD ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AND IMPOSE A REQUIREMENT AND THE REST OF
THAT IS
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ACTUALLY IN THIS E-MAIL. THIS PREVISION, WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS
IMPLEMENTING A
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PROVISION FOR A SEVEN-DAY WINDOW FOR THE
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USE OF THE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY, MEANING THE FACT IF POLICE WANTED TO ACCESS
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THAT TAPE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE SEVEN DAYS TO DO IT, BUT THEY ALSO MUST
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LET US KNOW THE COUNCIL AND KEEP A PAPER TRAIL OF EACH TIME THEY'RE
TRYING TO
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ACCESS SOMETHING IN ORDER TO SERVE, AND TO RESOLVE
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THOSE TYPE OF CRIMINAL OFFENSES. SO IF WE WENT IN THAT DIRECTION AND WE HAVE
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GOTTEN SEVERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS TO ENCOURAGE
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US TO NOT JUST RELINQUISH COUNCIL CONTROL, HOW MUCH STAFF TIME WOULD THAT TAKE
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IN ORDER TO DO WHAT'S IN THE REMAINING PART OF THE E-MAIL THAT YOU
STARTED TO
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READ? >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT. I WOULD SAY THAT IS
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WHAT'S IN THE EXISTING ORDINANCE. IT'S A WORD
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I HAD TROUBLE SAYING, BUT CIRCUMSTANCES ARE IN THERE ALREADY IN SECTION
8.--
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>> THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M GETTING AT. MY QUESTION IS TO RESOLVE DANIELLE'S 01:45:48.000 --> 01:45:52.000
SITUATION AND COUNCILMEMBER HINTON'S SITUATION. IF WE WANTED TO ALLOW
POLICE TO
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ACCESS THAT VIDEO TAPE, BUT WE ALSO
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WANTED THEM TO LET US KNOW ONE MORE REQUEST FOR US TO EVENTUALLY REVIEW THEY
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REQUESTED THAT AND THEN ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE TAPES FOR SEVEN DAYS. HOW MUCH
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TIME WOULD THAT TAKE YOU TO
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RETURN BACK TO COUNCIL?
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>> SO I GUESS I WOULD
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SAY, TO DRAFT IT?
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>> YES.
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>> A COUPLE HOURS. STAFF TIME TO IMPLEMENT THAT, I DON'T KNOW. IT SOUNDS LIKE
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JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHEN THE POLICE WANTED TO USE
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IT, THEY WOULD MAKE THE REQUEST FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL WOULD
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APPROVE IT?
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>> NO, THEY COULD GO AHEAD, SHOULD THIS BE THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO
AUTHORIZE
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THAT, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR TRANSPARENCY.
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>> OH, SO IT WOULD BE --
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>> IT WOULD BE A NOTIFICATION THEY SOUGHT TO USE THAT PORTION OF THE
TAPE, BUT
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ONLY FOR SEVEN DAYS. THEN IT WOULD BE ERASED, SO WE, AS 01:46:56.000 --> 01:46:59.000
COUNCILMEMBERS, COULD KEEP A PAPER TRAIL OF HOW MUCH PRIVATE CITIZEN
VIDEO IS
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BEING ACCESSED AND WHERE.
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>> YEAH, I WOULD DEFER THAT TO MARY OR THE CHIEF. I THINK THAT 01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:15.000
PROBABLY WOULD NOT, THE NOTIFICATION WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVE EXTENSIVE STAFF
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TIME. I WOULD SAY SEVEN DAYS. INVESTIGATIONS GO ON SOMETIMES LONGER THAN SEVEN
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DAYS. IF YOU'RE CRIMINALLY PROSECUTING SOMEONE THAT
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GOES ON MUCH LONGER. SO JUST OFF THE CUSP, THAT MIGHT BE WHERE THE ISSUE IS. THE
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NULLIFICATION IS PROBABLY NOT AN EXTENSIVE STAFF TIME, BUT I SEE SOME POTENTIAL.
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>> TO CLARIFY WHAT E-MAIL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? IT'S BEEN REFERENCED TWICE,
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AND THERE'S A LOT OF E-MAILS ON THIS SUBJECT, AND
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TRYING TO FIND THE ONE THAT IS BEING REFERENCED.
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>> THIS ONE WAS SUBMITTED BY JIM DUFFY TODAY AT 11:30.
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>> THANK YOU.
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>> SO I HAVE MY OWN QUESTION, AND IT IS MY OWN EXPERIENCE. I BELIEVE IT 01:47:57.000 --> 01:48:01.000
WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. I HAD MY GARAGE BROKEN
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INTO AND MY CAR ATTEMPTED BREAK-IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. BOTH TIMES I HAD
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VIDEO. I TOOK
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IT TO THE POLICE. THE CAR CAR ISSUE, THEY FOUND THAT PERSON BECAUSE I
PROVIDED
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THEM THE VIDEO AND THEN THEY FOUND THAT PERSON THAT DAY. SO AT THAT TIME, I
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MEAN, SO WHAT HAPPENS NOW, RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEONE BROKE INTO MY 01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:31.000
HOUSE AND I PROVIDED VIDEO? WHAT HAPPENS? CAN THAT BE UTILIZED? I'M
HEARING WITH
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SOME OF OUR BUSINESSES THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE NOT, BUT I KNOW FIVE YEARS AGO, I
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HAD MY OWN EXPERIENCE AND BROUGHT THAT FORTH.
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>> SO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED IN 2022, SO THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN BEFORE
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THAT.
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>> I'M JUST TRYING TO COMPARE THAT TO NOW AND WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE FUTURE.
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BECAUSE IF I DIDN'T HAVE THESE VIDEOS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE FOUND $10,000 01:48:55.000 --> 01:49:00.000
WORTH OF STUFF IN MY HOUSE THAT WAS STOLEN IN ADDITION TO MY CAR. SO I'M JUST
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SAYING. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THEN, WE COULD UTILIZE THE VIDEOS RIGHT NOW.
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THEY CANNOT BECAUSE OF
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WHAT WE HAVE. SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE FUTURE FOR A DECISION TONIGHT TO THEN
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ALLOW THAT AGAIN, RIGHT?
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>> CORRECT. I WOULD DEFER TO THE CHIEF ON HOW OFTEN THIS HAS BEEN THE
ISSUE, BUT
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THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE THEY HAVE NOT
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BEEN
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ABLE TO USE.
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>> YES, PLEASE.
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>> CAN I ASK WHAT YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION IS, PLEASE?
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>> I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AGO, THE POLICE
WERE ABLE
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TO USE MY VIDEOS IN ORDER TO
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CATCH THE PEOPLE WHO BROKE INTO MY STUFF. AND NOW, WE CAN'T DO THAT, CORRECT?
01:49:48.000 --> 01:49:53.000
BUT IF I BROUGHT A VIDEO TO YOU NOW, YOU'RE SAYING
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IT COULD NOT BE UTILIZED TO HELP FIND THE PERPETRATORS, RIGHT? 01:49:56.000 --> 01:50:04.000
>> THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE IT SHINED TO US, BUT
WE CAN'T
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USE IT FOR ANY FORM OF PROSECUTION OR USE IT IN THE CASE BECAUSE IT IS
WRITTEN
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INTO THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY. AND ALEX CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT
THE CITY
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IS LIABLE FOR COSTS IF SOMEONE WERE TO FILE A
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DEFENSE AND FIND WE'VE USED FOOTAGE THAT WAS NOT AUTHORIZED AND THE CITY
BECOMES
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LIABLE FOR THE COST OF THE DEFENSE. SO THE FRUIT OF THE POISON TREE IS WHAT
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WE'RE REFERRING TO.
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>> AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR COST, BUT IT
MIGHT BE
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AN ISSUE WHERE THIS, YOU KNOW, EVIDENCE WAS DISMISSED BECAUSE IT VIOLATED OUR
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ORDINANCE TO COLLECT.
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>> I'M SURE IT SAYS IN THERE THAT THEY WOULD BE LIABLE FOR COST? 01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:51.000
>> THERE IS A SEPARATE PROCESS IN HERE THAT WILL CHALLENGE OUR COLLECTION OF IT
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AND SEPARATE FROM ANY CRIMINAL
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PROSECUTION.
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>> OKAY. SO THEN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TONIGHT, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
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FROM ONE PERSPECTIVE IS YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO
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UTILIZE THESE TYPES OF VIDEOS LIKE WE COULD IN THE PAST. IS THAT THE
SPIRIT OF
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WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT? I JUST WANT TO CLEARLY UNDERSTAND HOW THIS
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APPLIES REAL WORLD. >> I APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC COMMENT WE'VE HAD AND
PEOPLE'S
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CONCERNS ABOUT CIVIL LIBERTIES. I WOULD ASSERT TO THEM I VALUE THE SAME CIVIL
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LIBERTIES IN THIS COUNTRY, AND I HAVE ZERO INTENTION OF OUR AGENCY USING
THEM IN
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ANY FASHION THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR PROSECUTION. WE'VE GOT CASES RIGHT NOW
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THAT WE'VE GOT PEOPLE
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ON VIDEO THAT WE CANNOT USE TO FURTHER THAT PROSECUTION AND HOLD THESE PEOPLE
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ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR CRIME, OCCURRING IN THE CITY. TO ME, IT SEEMS TO BE 01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:50.000
CONCERNING THAT YOU HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE THAT HAVING THEIR HANDS TIED
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FOR WHAT
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ALEX SAID, VERY BASIC TECHNOLOGY THAT SURROUNDS US. EVERYBODY HAS IT. I
MEAN, WE
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HAVE MORE TRACKING CAPABILITIES ON THEIR CELL PHONES.I GATHER ALL OF YOU HAVE,
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AND WE'RE
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CONCERNED ABOUT BASIC VIDEO CAMERAS. MY SOUL PURPOSE IS TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT
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FOOTAGE TO PROSECUTE TO THE PEOPLE WHO
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COMMIT THE CRIME.
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>> OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN?
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>> THANK YOU, CHIEF. TO FOLLOW THAT UP THOUGH, I MEAN, IT IS JUST A MINOR 01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:31.000
CONCERN, GIVEN WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND OUR BROWN
BROTHERS
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AND SISTERS. IT IS A HUGE CONCERN. SO WHAT OPPOSITION WOULD YOU HAVE TO FILING
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SOMETHING ON A REGULAR BASIS? EVERY TIME YOU REQUESTED TO USE CITY CAMERA 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:47.000
FOOTAGE OR PRIVATE CITIZEN FOOTAGE, I'M ASSUMING YOU WOULD BE 01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:50.000
SOMEWHERE OUT IN THE PUBLIC. SO WHAT HARM WOULD IT BE FOR YOU TO FILE
SOMETHING
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WITH THE
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CITY SAYING YOU REQUESTED CAMERA FOOTAGE ON THIS DAY, FROM THIS PERIOD
FOR THIS
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PURPOSE? AND FILE IT ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO LET US KNOW WHAT SURVEILLANCE IS
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ACTUALLY HAPPENING WITHIN OUR CITY?
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>> I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION BY SAYING THERE IS A SUBJECTIVE POLICY HERE IN THE
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CITY THAT REQUIRES WE NOTIFY YOU OF PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THAT WILL GO ANY WAY.
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SO I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD BE NOTIFIED AT THE TIME BY ME 01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:26.000
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OR AT LEAST THE LIEUTENANT OF A SITUATION, WHERE WE ARE INVESTIGATING A CRIME,
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AND WE HAVE OBTAINED SOME FOOTAGE, AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO INCLUDE THAT
VERBAGE
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TO NOTIFY YOU AT THE TIME. BUT CIRCLING BACK TO YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENT
ABOUT THE
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SEVEN-DAY RETENTION PERIOD. THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO MAINTAIN
BECAUSE
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OF THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES TO BRIDGE A DISPOSITION IN SOME SORT OF 01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:50.000
PROSECUTION WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
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OFFICE AND OUR LEGAL SYSTEM. SO THOSE FOOTAGE, SHOULD SOMEONE APPLY THEM TO THE
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POLICE DEPARTMENT ATTACHED TO THE CASE FILE BECAUSE THEY WILL BE
FORWARDED TO
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THE D.A.'S OFFICE AND USED IN PROSECUTION. DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF CRIME THAT
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IT RELATES, THERE ARE DIFFERENT RETENTION PERIODS,
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SO WE WOULD BE
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>> WE CERTAINLY COULD ADD THAT.YOU KNOW, WE COULD ADD
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, CHANGE SECTION 1 TO SAY,
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WHERE IT SAYS RECITALS TO MAKE THAT SAY RECITALS AND PURPOSE, AND ADD A 01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:41.000
SENTENCE SAYING THE PURPOSE
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IS, WHATEVER LANGUAGE THE COUNCIL MIGHT WANT, AND ADD THAT IN, IF THAT'S THE
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DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL.
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>> I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, BECAUSE IT DEPENDS UPON WHO IS DEFINING
WHAT AS
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A CRIME. WE HAVE I.C.E. IN OUR CITY, AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY 01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:03.000
BELIEVE THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT WOULD NOT WORK WITH I.C.E., OTHERS
BELIEVE THAT
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THAT IS NOT TRUE. WOULD IT SOLVE COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS QUESTION? 01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:16.000
WOULD IT BE A CRIME
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TO SAY THAT AGENCY, LIKE I.C.E., WHAT WOULD YOUR ADVICE BE IN ORDER 01:56:21.000 --> 01:56:26.000
TO WARRANT ILLICIT USE OF VIDEO CAMERA.
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>> OUR STATE LAW, AND OUR
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ADOPTED RESOLUTION, DON'T ALLOW COOPERATION WITH I.C.E. 01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:45.000
FOR CIVIL IMMIGRATION VIOLATIONS.
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AND SO, THAT'S THE POLICY OF THE CITY, AND STATE LAW.
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I'M THINKING ABOUT THE SECOND HALF OF YOUR QUESTION.
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THIS ORDINANCE
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ALSO ONLY GOVERNS THE CITY,
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THERE IS NOTHING PREVENTING
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I.C.E. FROM GOING TO ACCESS SOMEONE'S CAMERA, GETTING IT VOLUNTARILY, OR 01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:15.000
THROUGH A WARRANT. THIS IS ONLY ABOUT THE CITY'S USE. EVEN IF NOTHING
CHANGED
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HERE, THAT WOULDN'T IMPACT I.C.E. ABILITY
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TO GET PRIVATE SECURITY FOOTAGE. THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO OUR ORDINANCE. 01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:34.000
>> THEY COULD STILL OBTAIN CITY FOOTAGE REGARDLESS.
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IT WOULDN'T BE AN OPTION FOR US TO NOT PROVIDE IT TO THEM. AS FAR AS
WORKING
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WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES, SPECIFICALLY I.C.E. , THAT SEEMS TO BE THE HOT TOPIC
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RIGHT NOW. SB 54 IN CALIFORNIA PREVENTS US FROM WORKING WITH THEM. I
LIKEN IT TO
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US INVITING I.C.E. TO COME INTO TOWN AND INVESTIGATE A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE 01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:58.000
INCIDENT.
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THEY HAVE THEIR CHARTER AND WE HAVE OURS, AND WE ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. WITH
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OUR RESPECTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT DUTIES.
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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, MARY. 01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:24.000
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, CHIEF.
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>> THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE. IF YOU
WOULD LIKE
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TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS HEARING WE WILL DO A TWO MINUTE PUBLIC TIME
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LIMIT. WE WILL DO CHAMBERS FIRST, THEN ZOOM, BACK TO CHAMBERS, THEN ZOOM. 01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:37.000
OLIVER? >>
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I WAS JUST USING A.I. TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORY OF ALL THIS STUFF WHILE
WE WERE
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TALKING. BASICALLY, THIS IS A 2020 THING, AND THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL IS A 01:58:46.000 --> 01:58:52.000
COMPLETE OUTLIER, THE SIZE OF OUR CITY, THIS WAS AFTER THE GEORGE BOYD 01:58:52.000 --> 01:58:58.000
IN 2020, THIS IS AN ACLU ORIGINATING THING, THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL
ADOPTED IN
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2020. WE ARE NOW IN 2026. EVERYTHING
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INCLUDING A.I., EVERYTHING MOVES INCREDIBLY FAST. IT'S CUTE TO BE HEARING ABOUT
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TAPES, I MEAN,
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WE ARE LIVING IN A DIGITAL WORLD, NOW.
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INSTEAD OF THE GRANDIOSE STUFF ABOUT WILL I.C.E. BE ABLE TO SEE THE TAPES AND
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SO ON AND SO FORTH, THE MORE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THE CITY OF
SEBASTOPOL HAS
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AN AWFUL LOT OF DRIVE BY CRIME. WE HAVE A SERIOUS PROPERTY CRIME PROBLEM.
AND IF
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THE POLICE,
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CAN'T VIEW VIDEO OR TAKE ANY ACTION, IF THEY'VE SEEN ANY VIDEO, GIVEN THAT
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WE'RE THE ONLY PLACE WHO HAS THIS ORDINANCE IN PLACE, IF I WAS A
CRIMINAL,
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SITTING IN A BAR I THINK, THE OBVIOUS PLACE TO GO TO IS THE CITY OF
SEBASTOPOL,
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BECAUSE I'M GOING TO RIP OFF MORE STUFF WITH A MUCH GREATER CHANCE OF
GETTING
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AWAY THAN ANYWHERE ELSE. WHILE WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT THE FEDS AND I.C.E.
AND
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WHATEVER, THE REALITY IS, WE'RE REALLY SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT. 02:00:06.000 --> 02:00:10.000
THE ACLU COST US AN ABSOLUTE FORTUNE AND NOW WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM
WHERE WE
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HAVE AN ACLU DRIVEN DIRECTIVE WHICH IS GOING TO COST THE CITY 02:00:15.000 --> 02:00:20.000
A LOT OF PETTY CRIME, I WOULD ARGUE. IT'S
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OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO HAVE STRONG CHECKS AND BALANCES. SURVEILLANCE, 02:00:24.000 --> 02:00:28.000
I'M SUPER PARANOID ABOUT SURVEILLANCE MYSELF.
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL, HERE, NOT SOME GRANDIOSE WORLD
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ECONOMIC FORUM, CONSPIRACY, WHATEVER.
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I'M IN FAVOR OF AMENDING.
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>> THAT'S TWO MINUTES.
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>> THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, NEXT GO OUT TO ZOOM, KATE, CAN YOU UNMUTE
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>> THANK YOU, MARY. IT IS CLEAR THAT WE SHOULD AMEND THIS ORDINANCE. IT IS
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COMMON SENSE. SEBASTOPOL HAS AN ONGOING ISSUE WITH THEFT, GRAFFITI ON
PUBLIC AND
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PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND PROPERTY DAMAGE. WE JUST HEARD THREE STORIES
TONIGHT
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REGARDING THEFT THAT INVOLVED TWO OF OUR COUNCIL PEOPLE. SEBASTOPOL HAS A HIGH
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RATE OF CRIME RELATIVE TO OUR POPULATION AND OTHER CITIES. 02:01:18.000 --> 02:01:23.000
SEBASTOPOL HAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT
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FLOWS THROUGH IT. WE HAVE A MAJOR HIGH SCHOOL, WE HAVE A HOME KEY PROJECT 02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:33.000
DOWNTOWN WHERE THERE IS ACTIVE DRUG USE AND DRUG DEALING, WE NEED TO BE
ABLE TO
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USE CAMERA FOOTAGE TO PROSECUTE CRIME. WHAT IF SOMEONE BREAKS INTO YOUR HOUSE
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AND THE POLICE CANNOT USE THE FOOTAGE FROM YOUR CAMERA TO FIND THE BURGLAR?
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WHAT IF THERE'S A THAT TARGETS SEBASTOPOL BECAUSE NO ONE CAN USE THEIR CAMERA
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FOOTAGE IN ORDER TO PROSECUTE THE PERSON.
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WE CANNOT HAVE SEBASTOPOL BE A SMALL SECURITY HOLE WITHIN LARGER WEST COUNTY.
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SEBASTOPOL IS A TINY TWO SQUARE MILE PATCH WITHIN A HUGE AREA. SEBASTOPOL NEEDS
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TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH LOCAL PUBLIC SAFETY
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AND BE ABLE TO PROSECUTE CRIMINALS THAT BREAK THE LAW.
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ONCE AGAIN ASKS THE QUESTION, DOES THIS CHANGE BENEFIT THE CITIZENS OF 02:02:18.000 --> 02:02:22.000
SEBASTOPOL? THE ANSWER IS CLEARLY YES,
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IT WOULD HAVE BENEFITED COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, IT WOULD HAVE BENEFITED LOCAL
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BUSINESS OWNER OF RETRO GROWTH. DOES IT BENEFIT LOCAL BUSINESSES? 02:02:32.000 --> 02:02:36.000
THE ANSWER IS YES BECAUSE OUR BUSINESSES ARE TARGETED WITH THEFT ALL THE TIME.
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IT IS CLEAR THAT YOU SHOULD SUPPORT THE CHANGE OF THIS ORDINANCE, SO THAT 02:02:40.000 --> 02:02:46.000
CRIMINALS CAN BE PROSECUTED. THANK YOU.
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IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING
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NONE, I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. OMAR, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? 02:03:00.000 --> 02:03:08.000
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I NAME IS OMAR FIGARO, I AM A PARENT AND BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN SEBASTOPOL.
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I AM ASKING YOU TO NOT INTRODUCE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE
SURVEILLANCE
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TECHNOLOGY AND COMMUNITY SAFETY ORDINANCE. I WORKED WITH A FORMER POLICE CHIEF
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RON NELSON FOR OVER A YEAR IN CRAFTING THIS ORDINANCE. NEVER ONCE DID WE THINK
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THAT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD PROHIBIT THE USE OF PRIVATE SECURITY CAMERA
RECORDINGS
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TO AID IN CRIMINAL PROSECUTION AND APPREHENSION. POLICE CHIEF NELSON WOULD
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NEVER HAVE APPROVED THIS ORDINANCE IF IT HAD DONE THAT. WHEN THIS
ORDINANCE WAS
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ADOPTED,
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THE CITY RECOGNIZED THE SIMPLE TRUTH. SURVEILLANCE TOOLS CAN WATCH PEOPLE AS
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THEY GO ABOUT THEIR DAILY LIVES, AND CAN AFFECT PRIVACY AND LIBERTY.
BECAUSE OF
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THAT, THE COMMUNITY WAS PROMISED NOTICE AND PUBLIC DISCUSSION BEFORE 02:03:58.000 --> 02:04:03.000
SURVEILLANCE EXPENSE. WE ARE TOLD THIS CHANGE IS NEEDED BECAUSE THE
PROCESS
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TAKES TIME. THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE WAS NEVER SPEED. THE PURPOSE 02:04:06.000 --> 02:04:14.000
WAS TRUST. THE ORDINANCE ALREADY ALLOWS IMMEDIATE USE OF SURVEILLANCE 02:04:14.000 --> 02:04:23.000
TECHNOLOGY IN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES. SO THE DELAY BEING DISCUSSED ONLY
APPLIES
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, THAT IS HOW PUBLIC TRUST IS PROTECTED. RIGHT NOW THE COUNCIL REVIEWS 02:04:28.000 --> 02:04:34.000
EXPANSION, THE PROPOSAL REVIEWS A BROAD CATEGORY OF CAMERA USES AND
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DELIBERATION AND TOWARD ADMINISTRATIVE DISCRETION. ONCE THAT AUTHORITY IS 02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:45.000
SURRENDERED, IT IS DIFFICULT
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TO RECLAIM. SMALL CHANGES BECOME BIG CHANGES, A CAMERA USED ONE WAY TODAY CAN
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BE USED ANOTHER WAY TOMORROW. TECHNOLOGY
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CONNECTS, GROWS, AND IMPROVES. THE REVIEW PROCESS IS THE MOMENT WHEN THE 02:04:56.000 --> 02:05:00.000
COMMUNITY CAN ASK WHETHER THE INCREASING USE OF SECURITY CAMERAS STILL
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OUR SMALL TOWN VALUES. THIS IS NOT ABOUT OPPOSING THE POLICE. 02:05:03.000 --> 02:05:06.000
>> THAT IS TWO MINUTES.
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>> THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK TO CHAMBERS IF
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THERE'S ANYONE IN CHAMBERS.
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>> RAISE YOUR HAND.
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>> THANK YOU, OMAR. I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. WOODY, CAN YOU UNMUTE
YOURSELF,
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PLEASE? >> I JUST UNMUTED.
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>> I CAN HEAR YOU, CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
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>> I CAN, YES, THANKS.
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>> GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
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>> MY NAME IS WOODY HASTINGS, I LIVE IN THE 95473 Z.I.P. CODE. THE WAY
THIS WAS
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PRESENTED TONIGHT MAKES IT SOUND SO INNOCUOUS AND REASONABLE AND PARTS OF IT MAY
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BE.
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LIKE THE ABILITY TO USE PRIVATE VIDEOS. WITH PEOPLE BEING SHOT IN THE
STREET BY
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GOVERNMENT FORCES, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ANY INCREASE IN POLICE
SURVEILLANCE
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CAPABILITIES. THESE TECHNOLOGIES CAN BE WESTERNIZED, FACILITATE THE 02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:03.000
DEPORTATIONS, TARGET POLITICAL
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-- I WANT TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT
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ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS, WHICH IS SECTION 3B IN THE ORDINANCE. IT'S ABOUT
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SHARING TRADITIONAL VIDEOS, OLD-SCHOOL VIDEOS WITH OUTSIDE ENTITIES. THIS 02:06:19.000 --> 02:06:23.000
PROVISION IS UNACCEPTABLE. A NON-CITY ENTITY CAN EASILY BE A MALEVOLENT 02:06:23.000 --> 02:06:30.000
ENTITY OR BECOME ONE. IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT IT'S FOR NOT AN ONGOING 02:06:30.000 --> 02:06:34.000
ARRANGEMENT, ACCESS ONCE TO A VIDEO CAN DO DAMAGE IN THE WRONG HANDS. THE 02:06:34.000 --> 02:06:38.000
PROBLEM IS THE TRADITIONAL VIDEO CAN BE PROCESSED WITH A.I. 02:06:38.000 --> 02:06:43.000
TO REVEAL INFORMATION THAT IS NOT DISCERNIBLE SIMPLY BY WATCHING THE VIDEO.
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THIS INCLUDES HUMAN PHYSIOLOGICAL DATA, MAGNIFICATION OF OTHERWISE 02:06:46.000 --> 02:06:49.000
IMPERCEPTIBLE MOTION, COMBINATION WITH OTHER DATA TO REVEAL BEHAVIOR 02:06:49.000 --> 02:06:54.000
CHARACTERISTICS AND PATTERNS AND FORENSICALLY REVEAL OTHER SENSITIVE
INFORMATION
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THAT CAN BE USED AGAINST INNOCENT SEBASTOPOL
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RESIDENTS. PLEASE DON'T ERODE OUR PRIVACY FURTHER THAN IT ALREADY IS. AT THIS
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TIME, MY REQUEST IS THAT YOU DELAY ANY DECISION-MAKING ABOUT THIS
AMENDMENT
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, THE BEN FRANKLIN QUOTE COMES TO MIND, AND FRANKLIN SAID THOSE WHO WOULD GIVE
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UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO PURCHASE A LITTLE SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR
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SAFETY. THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
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NEXT I'M GOING TO COME INTO CHAMBERS. IF THERE'S ANYONE IN CHAMBERS.
SEEING
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NONE, I'LL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM, MICHAEL, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? 02:07:34.000 --> 02:07:37.000
>> I CAN. CAN YOU HEAR ME?
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>> I CAN, CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
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>> I CAN.
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>> MY NAME IS MICHAEL, I WANTED TO ADD TO THE LIST, A WEEK AGO THIS LAST WEEK
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I RODE HOME FROM MY SHOP ON MY BICYCLE,
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I WAS IN THE HOUSE FOR MAYBE AN HOUR, WENT BACK OUT TO GET ON IT TO WRITE BACK
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DOWN TO THE SHOP, AND MY BICYCLE HAD BEEN STOLEN OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY. I WAS
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SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT THE CAMERAS ON THE NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR 02:08:10.000 --> 02:08:16.000
, WHICH THEY HAVE PLENTY OF THE DENTIST OFFICE, WOULD BE USELESS, THAT THEY
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COULDN'T ACTUALLY ACCESS THEM. I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF
AMENDING
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THE ORDINANCE, HERE. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WAS, HOW DOES THAT
PERTAIN
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TO PRIVATE CELL PHONE VIDEOS? THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF EVENT, SAY YOU
WITNESS
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SOMETHING AND YOU FILM IT, THE OTHER THING IS WHAT ABOUT DASH CAM VIDEO'S?
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THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED, AND THEY WERE WITNESS TO A MAJOR ACCIDENT OF SOME
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SORT? I THINK THAT MAY BE THE AMENDMENTS COULD BE TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE
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SURE THAT THOSE APPARATUS
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AND THOSE VIDEOS THAT ARE RECORDED ARE ALSO AVAILABLE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
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THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO THE CHAMBERS.
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SEEING NONE I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF PLEASE? 02:09:17.000 --> 02:09:23.000
>> MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, MAYOR, JIM DUFFY, THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY 02:09:23.000 --> 02:09:27.000
COMMENTS. THE SEBASTOPOL POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE CAMERA
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FOOTAGE FROM LEGALLY PLACED AND OPERATED PRIVATE SECURITY CAMERAS AND
DOORBELL
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CAMERAS AS PART OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS. THIS IS WHAT I SAID IN THE LETTER
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THAT SOME OF YOU WERE QUOTING FROM. I'M GOING TO GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE NEXT
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PARAGRAPH, THAT'S THE PIECE THAT YOU GUYS WERE MISSING. CURRENTLY YOUR CITY
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DEFINES EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES AS EMERGENCIES INVOLVING IMMINENT DANGER OF DEATH
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OR SERIOUS PHYSICAL INJURY TO ANY PERSON
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THAT REQUIRES THE IMMEDIATE USE OF SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY OR INFORMATION IT
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PROVIDES. YOU SHOULD BROADEN THIS DEFINITION.
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TO INCLUDE THE TYPES OF CRIMES THAT YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT BELIEVES 02:10:09.000 --> 02:10:13.000
, I'VE GOT TO SAY BELIEVES BECAUSE I'VE HEARD SOME OTHER LAWYERS WHO SAID THAT
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THEY CAN USE THESE CAMERAS AS IT'S WRITTEN, BELIEVES THEY WERE FORBIDDEN TO
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INVESTIGATE DUE TO YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE. I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT 02:10:26.000 --> 02:10:32.000
OF POLICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY, WE DO NOT WANT TO BLOW A HOLE IN THIS BY
ALLOWING
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DRAGNET SURVEILLANCE WITH CAMERAS ALL OVER THE CITY UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO PUT
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A SURVEILLANCE USE ORDINANCE IN PLACE SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE CAMERAS
WHERE YOU
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DEFINE THE PARTS THAT ARE TALKED ABOUT IN THE ORDINANCE, THE PURPOSE 02:10:47.000 --> 02:10:53.000
, THE AUTHORIZED USED, DATA COLLECTION, DATA ACCESS, PROTECTION,
RETENTION, ET
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CETERA. THAT ARE CURRENTLY LISTED IN THE ORDINANCE.
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I WANT TO ADDRESS THE 70 REQUIREMENT, THE SEVEN-DAY REQUIREMENT IS HOW
MUCH OF
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THE PRIVATE CAMERA FOOTAGE YOU CAN REQUEST
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FOR YOUR INVESTIGATION. YOU CAN ONLY REQUEST THE SEVEN-DAY PERIOD ON THAT 02:11:12.000 --> 02:11:17.000
PRIVATE CAMERA. POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN HOLD ONTO IT FOREVER IF THEY FEEL
LIKE IT,
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YOU SHOULD HAVE A POLICY THAT MAKES YOU GET RID OF IT EVENTUALLY. 02:11:21.000 --> 02:11:24.000
>> TWO MINUTES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS.
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>> YES.
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>> THANK YOU, CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
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>> I CAN.
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>> GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
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>> WHERE TO START. THIS WAS AN ACLU WRITTEN ORDINANCE AS I RECALL, THERE WAS A
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LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THE PROBLEMS
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IDENTIFYING PEOPLE FROM VIDEOS, WITH PREDICTIVE ANALYTICS, AND 02:11:58.000 --> 02:12:04.000
THERE WAS PUBLIC FEEDBACK IN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FACT THAT 02:12:04.000 --> 02:12:07.000
THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL DOESN'T NEED, WANT, HAVE THE MONEY, OR INTEREST IN 02:12:07.000 --> 02:12:10.000
ACQUIRING ANY OF THAT TECHNOLOGY. THAT WAS THE WHOLE DISCUSSION. NOBODY DURING
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THAT DISCUSSION SAID LOOK AT ALL THIS OTHER SECURITY STUFF THAT WE ALL
HAVE LIKE
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RING BELL DOOR CAMERAS.
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YOU CAN'T USE ANY OF THAT EITHER, THAT DIDN'T COME UP IN THE DISCUSSION BACK
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THEN. AND I'M REALLY,
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JUST OFF. THIS THING, THIS ORDINANCE WAS SUPPOSED TO MAKE US 02:12:32.000 --> 02:12:36.000
INFLUENCE OTHER CITIES, NONE OF THAT HAPPENED. NO OTHER CITIES HAS
ANYTHING
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LIKE THIS. ALL OF THEM ARE USING MORE SOPHISTICATED SURVEILLANCE THAN
WHAT WE
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HAVE HERE, AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE CAUSING BIG PROBLEMS. 02:12:47.000 --> 02:12:51.000
WE DID ALL OF THIS FOR AN IDEOLOGY, AND IT COST US, AS INDIVIDUALS IN THIS
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CITY. IF SOMEBODY BREAKS INTO YOUR HOUSE,
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DESTROYS YOUR CAR, ATTACKS YOUR FAMILY,
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AND YOU HAVE A CAMERA OR THERE'S A CAMERA THAT COULD HELP TO IDENTIFY
THEM AND
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CAPTURE THEM, YOU'RE TELLING ME IT CAN'T BE USED, AND EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH
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THIS? THIS WHOLE ORDINANCE SHOULD BE THROWN OUT BECAUSE NOBODY
UNDERSTANDS,
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THERE ARE STATE LAWS THAT COVER ALL OF THIS STUFF,
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WE'RE NOT ANYBODY'S EXAMPLE OF ANYTHING AS IT RELATES TO STUFF LIKE THIS.
I'M
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SORRY. IT'S JUST CRAZY.
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AND WHAT'S THE SEVEN-DAY THING? WHAT IF SOMETHING BREAKS INTO YOUR HOUSE, WHAT
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IF YOU DON'T COME BACK FOR TWO OR THREE WEEKS? SEVEN DAYS? CAN'T USE THAT CAMERA
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TO IDENTIFY WHO STOLE ALL YOUR STUFF. THANK YOU, THAT'S ALL. 02:13:35.000 --> 02:13:42.000
>> THANK YOU,
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NEXT I WILL STAY OUT ON ZOOM, JUNE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? CAN YOU GO
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AHEAD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
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>> SO I'M HEARING THE CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE THIS ORDINANCE HASN'T BEEN
USEFUL,
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THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS DON'T ACTUALLY MATCH THE
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CONCERNS. THE CONCERNS ARE ABOUT USING PRIVATE VIDEO FOR CRIME. 02:14:06.000 --> 02:14:13.000
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE IS AN EXCEPTION FOR 02:14:13.000 --> 02:14:19.000
CERTAIN TYPE OF OLD TECHNOLOGY. SO THAT WOULD MEAN, IF YOU HAVE PRIVATE VIDEO
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THAT WAS HIGH-TECHNOLOGY, MAYBE SOME A.I. FEATURES IN YOUR RING TONE
CAMERA,
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YOU STILL COULDN'T USE IT FOR THE POLICE. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT
AMENDMENTS
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HERE. BUT, THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL DOES DO IS IT MAKES ALL SORTS OF
EXCEPTIONS FOR
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ANYTHING WITH THAT OLD TECHNOLOGY.
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SAYING IT'LL BE HARMLESS IF WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT WITH THAT OLD VIDEO
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BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A.I. IN IT, BUT YOU HAND OVER A PHOTOGRAPH OR A
BUNCH OF
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OLD VIDEO TO THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION, THEY CAN PUT A.I. ON IT. THEY KNOW
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WHERE IT CAME FROM, AND WE HAVE GOOD FOLK TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW,
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BUT SOMEBODY ELSE COULD DECIDE THEY WANT TO TURN OVER ALL SORTS 02:15:08.000 --> 02:15:12.000
OF CITY STAFF, AND WHAT THIS ALLOWS, IT SAYS WE CAN DO NEW AGREEMENTS. WE CAN
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DO FUNDING AGREEMENTS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND NOT TELL YOU. WE CAN DO
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ALL SORTS OF NEW THINGS AND NOT TELL YOU. IF WE WANT TO DO NEW THINGS,
COME TO
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THE COUNCIL AND WE CAN APPROVE THEM. AND LET'S ACTUALLY SOLVE THIS
CONCERN
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ABOUT PRIVATE VIDEO, A LOT OF PEOPLE SO YOU COULD USE PRIVATE VIDEO RIGHT NOW
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IF THERE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFICATION, COME BACK WITH THAT CLARIFICATION. TO COVER
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ALL SORTS OF TECHNOLOGY. BUT, DON'T GIVE AWAY OUR PHOTOS TO ANY ENTITY
AND NOT
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TELL US AND ENTER NEW MONITOR AGREEMENTS WITH NEW ENTITIES AND NOT TELL US. THAT
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THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW. THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS.
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SEEING NONE I WILL GO BACK OUT, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? 02:15:59.000 --> 02:16:07.000
CAN YOU HEAR US?
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>> YES, I CAN, I'M TRYING TO MAKE MY VIDEO WORK BUT I GUESS YOU'LL JUST
HAVE TO
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SEE MY PICTURE.
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>> CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
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>> I CAN. MY NAME IS EUNA GLASS, I'M THE FORMER MAYOR OF SEBASTOPOL, I'M ONE OF
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THE AUTHORS OF THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, WHICH IS BEING MALIGNED AT THIS 02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:35.000
MOMENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, THIS ORDINANCE
NEITHER IN
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WORD NOR IN INTENT
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WAS MEANT TO PRECLUDE PEOPLE FROM USING THEIR PRIVATE VIDEOS FOR OUR POLICE
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DEPARTMENT USING PRIVATE VIDEOS
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FROM PRIVATELY USED SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY, IN OTHER WORDS, PEOPLE'S
SECURITY
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SYSTEMS IN THEIR BUSINESSES AND IN THEIR HOMES, FROM THAT BEING USED TO EITHER
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SOLVE
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OR PROSECUTE CRIMES. I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THIS IDEA CAME FROM. 02:17:08.000 --> 02:17:11.000
IF OUR CITY ATTORNEY SEEMS TO THINK THIS IS TRUE, THEN I THINK THE CITY SHOULD
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GET AN OUTSIDE COUNCIL TO EVALUATE THE WORDING,
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IN OUR ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THAT WAS CERTAINLY NOT ITS INTENT. I HAVE NO IDEA
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WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. I DO THINK THAT AT THIS TIME, MORE THAN EVER,
WHAT WE
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NEED IS PUBLIC OVERSIGHT OVER SURVEILLANCE. THAT DOES NOT MEAN REMOVING
THE CITY
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COUNCILS OBLIGATION TO REVIEW THE KINDS OF SURVEILLANCE THAT WE ARE
PUTTING IN
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PLACE
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ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC USING PUBLIC FUNDS. SO, OF ALL TIMES, THIS SEEMS LIKE
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THE WORST OF TIMES TO BE ASSERTING THAT WE SHOULD BE BACKING OFF OF PUBLIC
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OVERSIGHT
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OF THE KIND OF SURVEILLANCE THAT WE'RE USING IN OUR CITY. THANK YOU. 02:18:05.000 --> 02:18:08.000
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS,
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SEEING NONE I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. MAGNESS, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, 02:18:11.000 --> 02:18:15.000
PLEASE?
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>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF. MY NAME IS MAGNESS FIGARO A.
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I'M 15 YEARS OLD, A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT AND WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SEBASTOPOL.
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I'M ASKING YOU NOT INTRODUCE THE AMENDMENT TO THE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AND
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COMMUNITY SAFETY ORDINANCE. I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT THIS FEELS LIKE FROM MY
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PERSPECTIVE AND THE PERSPECTIVE OF PEOPLE MY AGE.
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AFTER SCHOOL A LOT OF US GO DOWNTOWN. WE SIT IN THE PLAZA, GET I.C.E.
CREAM,
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TALK AND HANG OUT. MOST OF THE TIME WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG, JUST 02:18:42.000 --> 02:18:47.000
FIGURING OUT WHO WE ARE.
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WHEN THERE ARE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE THAT FEELING WOULD CHANGE. YOU DON'T
KNOW WHO
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IS WATCHING, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LONG VIDEO IS SAVED, YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT
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ENDS UP. SO YOU START ACTING DIFFERENT EVEN IF YOU DID NOTHING WRONG. YOU DON'T
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SAY AS LONG, YOU DON'T JOKE AROUND AS MUCH, YOU DON'T ACT GOOFY WITH YOUR 02:19:00.000 --> 02:19:03.000
FRIENDS. YOU THINK TWICE BEFORE BEING YOURSELF.
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LIKE YOU'RE ALWAYS BEING RATED IN PUBLIC.
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TEENAGERS AND PLACES WHERE WE CAN EXIST WITHOUT FEELING RECORDED ALL THE TIME.
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IT'S PART OF GROWING UP. YOU LEARN CONFIDENCE BY MAKING SMALL MISTAKES IN 02:19:16.000 --> 02:19:19.000
HARMLESS SITUATIONS. IF EVERY NORMAL MOMENT FEELS WATCHED, PEOPLE STOPPED TRYING
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THINGS, STOP TALKING FREELY AND JUST GO HOME.
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I UNDERSTAND THAT CAMERAS CAN BE HELPFUL SOMETIMES. I'M NOT AGAINST
SAFETY, BUT
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WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AT LEAST MAKES THE POLICE STOP AND TALK WITH THE
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PUBLIC BEFORE SURVEILLANCE GROWS. THAT MATTERS. IT MEANS THE COMMUNITY
GETS TO
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DECIDE WHAT KIND OF TOWN THIS IS. FROM MY POINT OF VIEW A SAFE TOWN IS
NOT ONLY
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A PLACE WITH LESS CRIME, IT'S A PLACE WHERE YOUNG PEOPLE CAN FEEL
COMFORTABLE
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ABOUT BEING OUTSIDE AND BEING THEMSELVES. PLEASE DON'T MAKE IT EASIER TO ADD
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MORE SURVEILLANCE WITHOUT THAT CONVERSATION. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. 02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:57.000
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS.
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SEEING NONE I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? 02:20:00.000 --> 02:20:06.000
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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I'M JUST TUNING INTO THIS ISSUE, I LOOKED AT THE SLIDES AND I HAVE TO
SAY, THE
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SLIDES DIDN'T SEEM TO REFLECT AT ALL WHAT MOST PEOPLE SEEM TO BE CONFUSED ABOUT.
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I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD PREVENT A PRIVATE
CITIZEN
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FROM HANDING OVER EVIDENCE OF A CRIME AND THE POLICE NOT BEING ABLE TO
USE THAT
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IF IT HAS THE PERMISSION OF THE OWNER.
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YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH WHETHER THAT IS REALLY TRUE OR NOT, AND I DON'T
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JUST BELIEVE THE WORD OF THE POLICE OR BELIEVE THE WORD OF THE Agemda Item Number 1
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AUTHOR OF THE ORDINANCE, I WANT LEGAL HELP IN DETERMINING THAT. YOU DON'T WANT
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TO MAKE CHANGES LIKE THIS IN A PUBLIC FORUM
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FOR COMPLICATED TECHNOLOGICAL ISSUES WITHOUT A DEEP DIVE AND
UNDERSTANDING
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WHAT'S GOING ON. IT MAY SOUND LIKE AN EASY THING, WE WANT TO UPGRADE OUR
CAMERAS
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WITHOUT LETTING THE CITY COUNCIL NO.
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BUT WAITING A WHILE AND SAYING WE'RE UPDATING OUR CAMERAS AND WE'RE DOING THIS
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AND WE'RE DOING THAT AND IT TAKES A MONTH OR TWO TO DO, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BAD
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PROBLEM, TO ME. THE BIG PROBLEM
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IS SOLVING CRIMES AND BEING ABLE TO USE THE EVIDENCE IN CRIME WITH THE 02:21:19.000 --> 02:21:23.000
PERMISSION OF THE CAMERA OWNERS. THAT REALLY HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED IN FACT,
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WHETHER THAT'S TRUE OR NOT. I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT.
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WE ALSO COULD IMAGINE
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, THIS IS DYSTOPIAN, BUT IF A SHOP OWNER WANTS TO GIVE CONTINUOUS
COVERAGE TO
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THE POLICE AND THEY REQUEST WE WANT YOUR COVERAGE, AND THE SHOP OWNER
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YOU CAN HAVE A 24/7, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT US
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KNOWING THAT THAT'S GOING ON. ONCE YOU START RECORDING THINGS AND SAVING THEM
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THERE'S ABUSES THAT CAN HAPPEN. I RECOMMEND
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NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THIS ORDINANCE UNTIL YOU REALLY GET SOME BASIC FACTS
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TARGET THEM ON WHAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON, 02:22:03.000 --> 02:22:07.000
AND MAKE A MINOR CHANGE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS.
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SEEING NONE I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM.
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IF THERE'S ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS
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PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THIS SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND
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VIRTUALLY. SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED ON THIS ITEM. 02:22:28.000 --> 02:22:31.000
>> THANK YOU, MARY. WE'RE BACK AT THE DAY IS HERE, AND NOW I'M JUST
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IN SEEING IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE. VICE MAYOR. 02:22:34.000 --> 02:22:39.000
>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. SO,
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THESE EDITS, DO THEY
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ALLOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ADD, OR THE CITY TO ADD NEW CAMERAS IN NEW Agemda Item Number 1
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LOCATIONS, OR ARE WE TALKING JUST ABOUT
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UPDATING THE CURRENT CAMERAS?
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>> THEY DO NOT. THIS DOES NOT APPLY
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IN SECTION C, ADDING LANGUAGE TO SAY THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO TRADITIONAL 02:23:06.000 --> 02:23:12.000
SECURITY CAMERAS EXCEPT FOR THE USE
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OF SECURITY CAMERAS OWNED BY THE CITY IN A NEW LOCATION. 02:23:21.000 --> 02:23:27.000
>> SO RIGHT NOW, YOU NEED THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL
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FOR THE USE, USING A NEW OR EXISTING SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY. IT DOESN'T SAY
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OWNED BY THE CITY. IT JUST SAYS USING A NEW OR EXISTING SURVEILLANCE
TECHNOLOGY
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REGARDLESS OF ITS OWNERSHIP.
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FOR A PURPOSE IN A MANNER AND LOCATION NOT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE CITY
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COUNCIL IN A LOCATION WITH THIS CHAPTER.
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WITH THEIR CURRENT ORDINANCE, ANY NEW LOCATION PUBLICLY OR PRIVATELY OWNED
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NEEDS COUNCIL APPROVAL. THE ADDITION WOULD SAY THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO
TRADITIONAL
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SECURITY CAMERAS.
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EXCEPT FOR THE USE OF TRADITIONAL SECURITY CAMERAS OWNED BY THE CITY IN A NEW
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LOCATION.
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YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO NEED COUNCIL APPROVAL TO INSTALL CITY-OWNED CAMERAS IN A
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NEW LOCATION.
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>> THIS DOESN'T ADD A BUNCH OF CAMERAS. AT THE DISCRETION OF THE POLICE 02:24:15.000 --> 02:24:19.000
DEPARTMENT OR THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY.
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>> CORRECT. THANK YOU.
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>> COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?
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>> JUST, ALSO L.A. SOME FEARS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS 02:24:34.000 --> 02:24:40.000
PER USE AND BY WARRANT ONLY TO ACCESS THESE. THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF
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LOOPHOLE OR OPENNESS FOR ONGOING SURVEILLANCE WERE ANY KIND OF UNWANTED 02:24:42.000 --> 02:24:47.000
EXPOSURE.
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>> I WOULD, A WARRANT IS STILL REQUIRED FOR THE CITY
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IN THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES A WARRANT WOULD BE REQUIRED NOW. THIS DOES NOT CHANGE
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ANY OF THAT. AND COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION WOULD STILL NEED TO BE 02:25:03.000 --> 02:25:09.000
REQUIRED FOR ANY ONGOING ARRANGEMENT TO ACCESS PRIVATE PROPERTY. 24/7 ACCESS
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TO A PRIVATE SECURITY CAMERA WOULD STILL REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL. THAT'S AN
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ONGOING ARRANGEMENT. ONE THING I WOULD, IN
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I HEARD SOMEONE MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT
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SHARING THIS OUTWARD, NOT JUST SHARING IT INWARD. WE COULD ADD, NOT THE INTENT
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OF SECTION E TO ALLOW THE CITY TO
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SHARE FORWARD WITH THIRD PARTIES, WE COULD ADD HERE THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE
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CITY USING TRADITIONAL SECURITY CAMERAS FOR SPECIFIC INSTANCE OR EVENT TO MAKE
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CLEAR THAT THE INTENT IS NOT TO ALLOW THE CITY TO SHARE OUTWARD. 02:25:49.000 --> 02:25:56.000
TO SHARE WITH THE CITY.
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>> IS THAT DEFINED AS OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS? BECAUSE, THERE'S ALL THAT 02:25:59.000 --> 02:26:01.000
MUTUAL HELP
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?
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>> THIRD PARTY WOULD BE ANYONE BESIDES THE CITY. COULDN'T THAT HINDER THE 02:26:09.000 --> 02:26:16.000
PROCESS?
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>> I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT NEVER WOULD, BUT, WE COULD MAKE A LIST OF PEOPLE
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THINGS COULD BE SHARED WITH, BUT,
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NO ONE BESIDES
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THE CITY.
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>> IF THE SHERIFF, IF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS WORKING WITH THE SHERIFF, 02:26:35.000 --> 02:26:39.000
BECAUSE WE'RE SURROUNDED BY COUNTY, THEN THEY COULDN'T SHARE ANYTHING? 02:26:39.000 --> 02:26:43.000
>> THE CITY COULDN'T, THEY, THE SHERIFF COULD GET THE CAMERA 02:26:43.000 --> 02:26:46.000
FOOTAGE IF IT WAS PRIVATE CAMERA FOOTAGE DIRECTLY FROM THE PRIVATE PARTY, 02:26:46.000 --> 02:26:51.000
THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO OUR ORDINANCE.
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>> BUT IF A CITIZEN VOLUNTARILY SHARES THAT INFORMATION, 02:26:59.000 --> 02:27:02.000
COULD THEY THEN, COULD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THEN SHARE IT? OR THEY WOULD BE
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PERMITTED FROM SHARING IT AT THAT POINT?
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>> THEY WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM SHARING IT. THE SHERIFF COULD GET IT
DIRECTLY
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FROM THE INDIVIDUAL. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN.
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>> I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING BUT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT I
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OPPOSE THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS AMENDED ORDINANCE. FOR THE PRIVACY
REASONS
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AND FOR THE FACT THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT DOES STRIP THE CITY COUNCIL OF
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APPROVING ANY SURVEILLANCE AND IN THIS DAY AND AGE WITH OUR CURRENT
FEDERAL
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ADMINISTRATION AND THE TERROR THAT THEY'RE ASSERTING,
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I DEFINITELY OPPOSE ANY TYPE OF INTRODUCTION TO CONSIDER THIS TYPE OF Agemda Item Number 1
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SURVEILLANCE.
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>> I HAVE A QUESTION, TOO.
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>> THE REASON FOR THIS WAS FOR THE REASON THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER 02:27:52.000 --> 02:27:58.000
COUNCILMEMBERS SAID, SO THAT THE POLICE COULD USE THE PRIVATE, THE THINGS. IT
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DOESN'T EXTEND ANY OTHER CAPABILITY, THIS PRETTY MUCH JUST ALLOWS 02:28:04.000 --> 02:28:10.000
POLICE TO DO THEIR JOB AND BE ABLE TO ACCESS, WARRANT THESE. 02:28:10.000 --> 02:28:15.000
>> THERE IS THE SECOND PART WHERE THE CITY COULD UPGRADE ITS CAMERA
SYSTEMS,
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WITH, AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE TO ONLY CAPTURE
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AUDIO AND VISUAL.
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SO CITY COULD REPLACE AT CITY HALL, WE HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS, THOSE COULD BE
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REPLACED AS LONG AS THE NEW SECURITY CAMERAS ONLY CAPTURE AUDIO AND VIDEO AND
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NOT ANY OF THESE OTHER HEIGHTENED TECHNOLOGIES.
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THERE IS A SECOND ASPECT NOT RELATED TO PRIVATE SECURITY CAMERAS. 02:28:42.000 --> 02:28:46.000
>> GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.
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>> TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION, IT WAS INDICATED THAT WE ONLY HAVE LIVE 02:28:51.000 --> 02:28:54.000
CAMERAS RIGHT NOW. SO, WE WOULD WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE BE ABLE TO REPLACE THOSE
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WITH A RECORDING CAMERA.
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>> CORRECT. AND TO CLARIFY, THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE WE HAVE RECORDING
CAMERAS
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BUT SOME AREAS WHERE WE ONLY HAVE LIVE CAMERAS. THOSE LIVE CAMERAS COULD BE
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UPDATED TO RECORDING CAMERAS, AFTER THESE CHANGES WITHOUT HAVING TO GO 02:29:12.000 --> 02:29:16.000
THROUGH THE OTHER PROCESS.
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>> BUT RIGHT NOW, WE CAN'T UPDATE THOSE CAMERAS THAT ARE LIVE ONLY TO BE 02:29:19.000 --> 02:29:22.000
RECORDING CAMERAS?
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>> WE CAN, THERE'S A PROCESS IN THE ORDINANCE WHERE IT'S MULTI STEP
PROCESS, TO
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HAVE
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TO COME TO THE COUNCIL,
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FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
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>> SO THIS WOULD MAKE US AUTOMATIC THAT COULD HAPPEN? WITH DISCRETION BY STAFF?
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A SPEAKER BROUGHT UP
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FILMING ON OUR CELL PHONES.
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WHICH, DOES THIS COVER ANY OF THAT, OR SHOULDN'T IT?
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>> TRADITIONAL CAMERAS ARE DEFINED AS ANYTHING THAT CAPTURES VIDEO AND AUDIO
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ONLY. SO A DASH CAM CAMERA THAT ONLY CAPTURED THAT, A CELL PHONE CAPTURE AND
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AUDIO, IF I'M SURE IN THE FUTURE CELL PHONES MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER
THINGS,
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THE CITY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE ANY OF THAT TYPE OF VIDEO FOOTAGE. AT THE
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NORMAL CELL PHONE VIDEO,
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YES.
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>> I HAVE A QUESTION I WANT TO ASK. WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE, 02:30:30.000 --> 02:30:35.000
WHICH PROHIBITS CERTAIN SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES,
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IT SHOULD BE UNLAWFUL TO RETAIN ACCESS USED
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TO BIOMETRICS, PREDICTIVE POLICING, THAT STILL STANDS. WE'RE HEARING A LOT OF
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DIFFERENT
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HEIGHTENED CONCERNS, BUT, THIS STILL STANDS, IT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE. 02:30:51.000 --> 02:30:56.000
I TOOK A SCREENSHOT OF IT. ANY INFORMATION OBTAINED FROM BIOMETRIC 02:30:56.000 --> 02:31:01.000
SURVEILLANCE, IT LISTS THESE THINGS WE CAN'T DO, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THAT.
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>> AND THE DEFINITION OF TRADITIONAL CAMERA, I TRIED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC BUT IT
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IS NOT INCLUDE CAMERAS THAT DO ANY OF THAT.
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>> SO, YOU'RE STATING
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BASICALLY THAT WE ARE JUST CHANGING THIS, BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD A FEW
PEOPLE WHO
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ARE AUTHORS OF THIS SAYING, IT WAS THEIR UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS DIDN'T COVER
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THESE CAMERAS. BUT
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THINGS EVOLVE, I FIND DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS HAVE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS. 02:31:29.000 --> 02:31:32.000
I'VE FOUND SINCE I'VE SAT HERE FOR FOUR YEARS THAT WE FOUND OTHER THINGS THAT
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WEREN'T EXACTLY WHAT WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT.
WE'RE
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TRYING TO TIGHTEN THINGS UP AND MAKE IT
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RELEVANT TO THE CITY AND MAKING IT POSSIBLE TO PROTECT
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OUR RESIDENTS WITH THEIR OWN VIDEOS.
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THAT'S ALL WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH THESE PRIVATE CAMERAS. 02:31:55.000 --> 02:31:57.000
I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO REITERATE. IN MY MIND I'M LISTENING TO THESE
STATEMENTS
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THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING.
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>> THAT IS WHAT OUR INTENT IS PLUS THE UPDATING OF THE CITY-OWNED CAMERAS. WE
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TRY TO ANTICIPATE SOME OF THESE CONCERNS
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, THAT'S WHY WE TRIED TO DEFINE TRADITIONAL CAMERA CLOSELY 02:32:12.000 --> 02:32:16.000
TO SPECIFY NEW CITY CAMERAS AND NEW LOCATIONS REQUIRES THAT. 02:32:16.000 --> 02:32:23.000
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ONGOING ARRANGEMENTS WITH
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A PRIVATE PARTY REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL. TRY TO ADDRESS AND ANTICIPATE 02:32:31.000 --> 02:32:34.000
AS MANY OF THESE CONCERNS AS POSSIBLE TO EMPHASIZE THIS HAD A NARROW PURPOSE.
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>> GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER CARTER.
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>> I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD SPLIT THIS, TO ENABLE
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THE POLICE TO USE RECORDED VIDEO OF PRIVATE CITIZENS.
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AND RIVIERA RATE, THAT WASN'T POSSIBLE BEFORE, WE'VE TRIED TO GO THROUGH THIS
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AND THIS LANGUAGE MAKES THAT MORE CAPABLE.
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BUT TO SPLIT THIS BETWEEN THAT AND THE UPGRADING OF THE CAMERAS, BECAUSE 02:33:06.000 --> 02:33:09.000
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I'M INTERESTED IN. OFFERING, 02:33:09.000 --> 02:33:14.000
A HYBRID.
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>> CERTAINLY IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL.
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>> VICE MAYOR?
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>> YES, COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHERE EXACTLY IN THIS ORDINANCE, WHERE IS THE
WORDING
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THAT RESTRICTS THE POLICE FROM ACCESSING
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PRIVATE CAMERAS?
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>> RIGHT NOW, IN SECTION C, CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL IS REQUIRED BEFORE THE CITY
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FOR USING A NEW OR EXISTING SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY.
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>> I'M SORRY. SECTION --
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>> IN SECTION SO, 8.80
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>> PAGE FIVE OF SIX.
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>> OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE SAYS THE CITY DEPARTMENT MUST OBTAIN CITY
COUNCIL
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APPROVAL PRIOR TO ENGAGING IN ANY OF THE FOLLOWING.
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C IS USING A NEW OR EXISTING SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY. IT DOESN'T SAY
OWNED BY
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THE CITY. IT JUST SAYS
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USING A NEW OR EXISTING SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY.
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>> SO,
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IF WE WERE TO DO A MINIMUM
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, COULD WE JUST MAKE THAT CHANGE AND NOT DO THE CHANGE
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?
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WOULD THAT FIX THE PROBLEM?
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>> SO, WE COULD TAKE IT OUT FROM A,
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AND B, THAT WOULD STILL REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL, IF WE TOOK IT OUT OF
CAPITAL
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A AND B, THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE CHANGE
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TO UPGRADING CITY CAMERAS.
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ANY TYPE OF UPGRADING CITY CAMERAS WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE
EXISTING
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PROCESS AND COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
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IF WE TOOK THIS OUT OF D,
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WHEN SOMEONE GIVES YOU
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THE SECURITY FOOTAGE,
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DEPENDING ON SITUATIONS, AN ORAL AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE GIVING SOMEONE.
SO, WE
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PUT IN HERE
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, NOT PART OF ANY ONGOING CITY ENTITY. IF YOU WANTED TO GET RID OF THE
PORTION
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THAT ALLOWED THE UPGRADING OF THE CITY CAMERAS,
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YOU COULD ELIMINATE THE CHANGES TO A AND B AND KEEP THE CHANGES TO C AND D.
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>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. THAT DOES THAT.
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THAT ALLOWS THE POLICE TO USE EXISTING THINGS
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. I'M SORRY? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IS THAT HYBRID. THAT
ENABLES THE
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POLICE
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TO USE PRIVATE CAMERAS TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE THINGS. BUT, NOT, BUT STILL 02:36:36.000 --> 02:36:42.000
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REQUIRE, LEAVE OFF THE PARTS OF THE COUNCIL
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INDEPENDENTLY REVIEWS WHETHER WE UPGRADE THOSE OTHER CAMERAS OR NOT. SO WE CAN
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MORE CAREFULLY THINK ABOUT IT.
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>> CAN SOMEONE HELP ME UNDERSTAND? I'M NOT FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I'M
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SORRY.
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>> I BELIEVE WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CARTER WAS SAYING IS, THERE'S PROPOSED
CHANGES
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IN SECTION 8.8 0.030
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PROPOSED CHANGES TO SUBSECTIONS A, B, C, AND D.
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IS PROPOSING TO NOT MAKE THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO CAPITAL A AND B WHICH WOULD
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STILL FACILITATE THE USE OF THE PRIVATE CAMERAS, BUT WOULD NOT ALLOW THE CITY
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TO UPGRADE WITHOUT GIVING COUNCIL APPROVAL.
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>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY WE WOULD NEED D, WHY DO WE NEED THAT? 02:37:50.000 --> 02:37:54.000
>> SO, SOMEONE
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, PRIVATE ENTITY SHARING THEIR CAMERA WITH YOU, IT SAYS ENTERING INTO AN 02:38:00.000 --> 02:38:06.000
AGREEMENT INCLUDING EITHER A WRITTEN OR ORAL AGREEMENT WITH A NON-CITY
ENTITY TO
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OTHERWISE USE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY. SO,
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ORAL AGREEMENT IS PRETTY BROAD, IF SOMEONE GIVES.
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>> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS THAT WE DON'T WANT
TO GIVE
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THE AUTHORITY TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO JUST CHANGE OUT CAMERAS THAT MIGHT
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NEED TO BE CHANGED OUT? WE'RE AFRAID OF THAT? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 02:38:33.000 --> 02:38:45.000
>> I BELIEVE THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION.
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>> OKAY. REMOVING IT FROM A AND B, WOULD BE THAT, BUT, THEN THAT FOR SURE WOULD
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ALLOW. OKAY.
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>> HOW MANY CAMERAS ARE THE OLD SCHOOL THAT PROBABLY, IF WE APPROVE IT 02:39:03.000 --> 02:39:08.000
THE WAY IT'S BEING DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW, POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD COME
BACK, I
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WOULD ASSUME WITH THE REQUEST TO CHANGE OUT CAMERAS? HOW MANY ARE OLD
VERSUS HOW
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MANY RECORD? DO WE KNOW? CHIEF,
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>> LET ME KNOW IF I'M CORRECT OR WRONG, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. MY
UNDERSTANDING IS
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THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS JUST A LIVE FEED, THERE IS NO RECORDING. CITY
HALL DOES
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RECORD,
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I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AUDIO. IS IT AUDIO OR JUST VISUAL? 02:39:41.000 --> 02:39:51.000
CITY HALL IS JUST RECORDING VISUAL, NO AUDIO. PUBLIC WORKS IS VISUAL. AS WELL.
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>> AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE, WE HAVEN'T PROSECUTED GRAFFITI ON CITY HALL, FOR
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EXAMPLE. EVEN WITH THE RECORDING, BECAUSE
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, OF THIS ORDINANCE, FROM LEGAL COUNCIL. WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. OKAY.
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BUT WITH THIS NEW ORDINANCE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD COME BACK TO US IF
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THEY WANTED TO CHANGE OTHER CAMERAS.
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THE WAY WE'RE BEING PROPOSED NOW. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE AGREEING TO.
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>> THE WAY OF BEING PROPOSED NOW,
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POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT NEED TO COME BACK TO THE CHANGE OTHER CAMERAS.
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>> I MEANT ON THE FLOOR.
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>> CORRECT.
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>> UNOFFICIAL REQUEST.
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OKAY.
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>> THAT'S CORRECT. SORRY FOR MY CONFUSION.
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>> THE POLICE CHIEF COULD COME BACK WITH US WITH ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM AND SAY,
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NOW WE WANT THEM LIVE INSTEAD OF, RECORDED INSTEAD OF LIVE. OKAY.
UNDERSTOOD.
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>> MY THOUGHT IS, WE'VE INFORMED EVERYONE OUT THERE HOW ALL OF OUR
SECURITY
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SURVEILLANCE WORKS. OKAY. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
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I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE A SECOND?
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OKAY.
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>> I'LL SECOND THAT EMOTION.
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>> COULD SOMEBODY RESTATE THE MOTION? THEY ARE NOT CLEAR. 02:41:40.000 --> 02:41:45.000
>> SO, THE MOTION IS TO INTRODUCE IN THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE,
TO MEND
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SEBASTOPOL MUNICIPAL CODE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AND COMMUNITY SAFETY
ORDINANCE
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OF SEBASTOPOL MUNICIPAL CODE, EXCLUDING TWO CHANGES 8.8 0.03 0A AND B. 02:42:05.000 --> 02:42:12.000
>> THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
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>> GO AHEAD. FURTHER DISCUSSION?
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>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I WON'T SUPPORT IT THAT WAY. I WOULD LIKE TO
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TAKE THE ADVICE OF OUR ATTORNEY. HE'S TOLD US OVER AND OVER AGAIN DESPITE MANY
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PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN LIVE IN OUR CITY AND EVERYWHERE ELSE TELLING US
THAT WE
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SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS. BUT I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE
CHANGES
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THAT ARE MADE. I'M IN SUPPORT OF WHAT IS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF. I
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SUPPORTING THE MOTION. I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHY. 02:42:45.000 --> 02:42:53.000
>> I'M SORRY?
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SHE CAN DO THE VOTE COUNT. I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHY I'M VOTING THE
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WAY I'M VOTING.
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>> OKAY.
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I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FAIR BUT I'M TRYING TO GET TO A YES SO, I HOPE THAT
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THIS DOES COME BACK BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO UPGRADE THE CAMERAS, TOO.
THIS
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DOESN'T PRECLUDE THAT, THIS AT LEAST GET SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED AS FAR AS BEING
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ABLE >> I'M IN SUPPORT OF DOING IT ALL.
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AND, I SURE PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING
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IN OUR COUNTRY, BUT,
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I BELIEVE WHAT OUR ATTORNEY IS SAYING, AND I PERSONALLY AM SUPPORTIVE OF DOING
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THIS.
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HAVING BEEN VICTIM TO CRIMES HERE MORE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN 23 STATES THAT
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I'VE LIVED IN, THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT. AT ANY RATE.
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IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.
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>> WELL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY ALTHOUGH I STATED A CRIME THAT HAPPENED TO ME,
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THAT I THINK THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCE AND WAS PROPOSED ON THE TABLE,
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THIS WOULD HAVE SOLVED MY SITUATION.
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WHICH IS THAT I COULD HAVE GOT THE CAMERA FROM THE AUTO BODY SHOP ACROSS THE
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WAY AND THE POLICE COULD HAVE SEEN IF THERE WAS INFORMATION THAT THEY
COULD HAVE
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PROSECUTED, CORRECT? THE ONLY THING WITH THE CHANGE THAT COUNCILMEMBER CARTER
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HAS PROPOSED IS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO US ON
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ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM, AND ASK FOR ANY UPDATES SPECIFIC TO CAMERAS 02:44:32.000 --> 02:44:35.000
, AND WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, ET CETERA ET CETERA.
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CORRECT?
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>> THAT'S CORRECT.
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>> THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING HERE. WE'RE STILL ON A COMPROMISE SOLVING SOME OF THE
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ISSUES I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE CHANGE TONIGHT. 02:44:48.000 --> 02:44:52.000
>> I GUESS I JUST NEED TO ASK,
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WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING IS JUST TO ALLOW POLICE
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TO USE VIDEO. IF SOMEBODY OFFERS VIDEO TO SOLVE CRIMES, RIGHT? 02:45:03.000 --> 02:45:06.000
AND NOTHING ELSE, IF THE POLICE WANT TO BRING ANYTHING BACK OUT FOR
ADDITIONAL
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CAMERAS OR DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
COME BACK
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WITH A JUSTIFY POLICY. IS THAT WAS ON THE TABLE?
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>> CORRECT.
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>> OKAY, THANK YOU.
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>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION FROM THE POLICE CHIEF? CHIEF, HOW MANY CAMERAS DO YOU
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BELIEVE ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE REPLACED ANYTIME SOON,
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I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE. IT SEEMS LIKE A SMALL ISSUE AND FROM
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MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M WONDERING IF PEOPLE CAN HEAR YOU ONLINE. 02:45:44.000 --> 02:45:50.000
PEOPLE CAN HEAR YOU ONLINE IF YOU'RE NOT AT THE MIC.
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>> PERHAPS MARY COULD BETTER ADVISE. WE ALREADY BOUGHT A STAFF REPORT
FORWARD ON
02:45:56.000 --> 02:46:00.000
UPGRADING THE CAMERA SYSTEM WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT 02:46:00.000 --> 02:46:03.000
SO THAT IT MET THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS OF ACTUALLY RECORDING AND
CAPTURING
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AUDIO AND VISUAL.
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I DON'T RECALL WHAT MONTH THAT WAS, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME.
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>> THE PROCESS LAID OUT IN THE ORDINANCE IS A MULTI STEP PROCESS. 02:46:17.000 --> 02:46:20.000
THERE'S AN INITIAL REPORT ON CONSENT, THEN A PUBLIC HEARING 45 DAYS LATER WITH
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THE REPORT, THAT'S THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE, SO, 02:46:26.000 --> 02:46:34.000
FOR THE CAMERAS AT THE POLICE STATION, THE FIRST STEP WAS ALREADY DONE. 02:46:34.000 --> 02:46:37.000
SO WE COULD PICK UP WITH THE SECOND STEP AND DO THOSE SECOND STEPS FOR THOSE
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PARTICULAR SPECIFIC CAMERAS.
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>> WE DID AN IMPACT REPORT AS WELL. I'M SORRY.
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>> GO AHEAD.
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>> I'M NOT SURE, THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS NOT HAPPENED. THE FIRST STEP 02:46:48.000 --> 02:46:51.000
, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THERE'S A DRAFT.
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>> WE DID A STAFF REPORT, WITH THE IMPACT REPORT.
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THAT'S ROLLED INTO WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS, I THINK. SOMEHOW THERE'S MORE 02:47:00.000 --> 02:47:05.000
.
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>> I DON'T THINK THE IMPACT REPORT WAS EVER BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL. THERE WAS A
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PIVOTED DOING IT THIS WAY TO ADDRESS THIS, CONCERNED STAFF TIME AND IN A COUPLE
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YEARS, WHEN CAMERAS IN CITY HALL NEED TO BE REPLACED, NOT HAVE TO SPEND
ALL THAT
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TIME THAT'S A CONCERN SOMETIMES FROM THE COUNCIL. TRYING TO STRIKE A
BALANCE
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BY BEING EFFICIENT WITH STAFF TIME, BUT TAKE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL
HOWEVER
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YOU WANT TO HANDLE.
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>>.IT. MY QUESTION WAS, THIS IS IN PROCESS WITH THE POLICE, IT FEELS LIKE 02:47:43.000 --> 02:47:50.000
>> I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYWHERE ELSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS THE
ONLY AREA
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THAT NEEDS A NEW CAMERA SYSTEM AT THIS POINT IN TIME. JUST BECAUSE AS I 02:47:54.000 --> 02:47:57.000
UNDERSTAND IT THE BEST PART OF 30 YEARS OLD. IT'S JUST TIME. 02:47:57.000 --> 02:48:04.000
>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.
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>> BASED ON THIS NEW INFORMATION THAT CAMERAS HAVE BEEN BOUGHT, IF WE
PASS THIS
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TONIGHT, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TO COME BACK TO THE
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FULL COUNCIL AND ASK IF THEY CAN USE THAT?
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>> THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BOUGHT YET.
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IT'S JUST, WE DID THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS TO AUTHORIZE. CORRECT. 02:48:29.000 --> 02:48:36.000
>> AND, WE HAVE IT ON MARCH 3rd. I BELIEVE
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IF THIS ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED TONIGHT, MOVING FORWARD TO THE SECOND
READING,
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WE HAVE AN ITEM ON THE NEXT AGENDA DISCUSSING THE PURCHASE OF THE CAMERAS BASED
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ON THE APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE.
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>> THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS IF WE PASS IT THE WAY
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WE GOT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT WE CAN STILL HAVE THAT MARCH MEETING, BUT
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THAT'S A SEPARATE DECISION. BY THE COUNCIL TO UPGRADE THE POLICE BUILDING 02:48:57.000 --> 02:49:00.000
CAMERAS. CORRECT?
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>> TO MEET THE PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENT.
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OKAY. I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU.
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>> TO CLARIFY,
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THE IMPACT REPORT FOR THE PUBLIC SEARING HAS TO BE POSTED ON THE CITY'S
WEBSITE
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30 DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT WILL NOT BE COMING MARCH 3rd TO YOU. BUT
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IT CAN BE COMING IN THE FUTURE.
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>> IN ESSENCE WE'RE CREATING RED TAPE FOR THIS SOMETHING WE ALREADY HAD IN
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PLACE AND MOVING ALONG? BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE SAYING IT'LL HAVE TO BE
RELAYED THAT
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>> THIS CHANGE IS NOT CREATING ANY ADDITIONAL RED TAPE. IT'S LEAVING THE STEPS
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>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CHIEF.
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SO, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION AND I CAN CALL FOR THE VOTE? THANK YOU. SO
MOVED BY
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COUNCILMEMBER CARTER AND SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR MAURER. TWO 02:50:08.000 --> 02:50:12.000
APPROVED THE RECOMMENDATION IN ADOPTION OF THE FIRST READING INTRODUCTION OF
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THE ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 8.80 OF THE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY
COMMUNITY
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SAFETY ORDINANCE, NOT
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RECOMMENDING ACCEPTANCE OF THE PROPOSES TO CHANGES A AND B BUT
MAINTAINING THE
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CHANGES TO C AND D, THIS
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FACILITATES THE USE OF PRIVATE CAMERAS BUT IT WOULD NOT ALLOWED TO
UPGRADING
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CITY CAMERAS WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL.
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COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?
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>> YES.
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>> COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
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>> AYE.
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>> COUNCILMEMBERS ALLMAN?
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>> YES.
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>> VICE MAYOR MAURER?
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>> YES.
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>> MOTION PASSES 5-0. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE, IS EVERYONE OKAY? NO ONE
NEEDS A BIO
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BREAK GIVEN THE HOUR? OKAY. WE ARE MOVING ON TO REGULAR CALENDAR
DISCUSSION AND
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ACTION. NUMBER EIGHT, DISCUSSION OF THE SEBASTOPOL COMMUNITY CULTURAL CENTER
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SHORT LONG-TERM PLAN
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AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF, PRESENTLY MEMORANDUM PREPARED BY TONY
REGARDING
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SHORT AND LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND DISCUSS
RECOMMENDATION
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FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION. I BELIEVE PUBLIC WORKS
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?
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>> TONY IS ON ZOOM AND SHE WILL BE PROVIDING THE INFORMATION FOR THE REPORT.
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>> SORRY, TONY, I HAD MY GLASSES ON. OKAY, GO AHEAD, TONY. 02:51:46.000 --> 02:51:50.000
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEER, AND I WILL
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BE PRESENTING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE KENNEDY CENTER SHORT AND
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PLAN.
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JUST A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE MEMO INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, DATED 02:52:03.000 --> 02:52:05.000
JANUARY 27, 2026, AND A CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS THAT LED TO THE MEMO. FIRST, THE
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CITY
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RECEIVED $1.5 MILLION IN FLOOD RELIEF FUNDS FOR THE 2019 FLOOD EVENT FOR FLOOD
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REPAIR AND MITIGATION PROJECTS IN THE CITY. THE CITY HAS USED SOME OF THIS
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FUNDING FOR MAKING FLOOD REPAIRS TO THE COMMITTEE CENTER SUCH AS 02:52:24.000 --> 02:52:29.000
REPAIRS TO THE MAIN HALL, THE ROOF, RESTROOM FACILITIES, 02:52:29.000 --> 02:52:36.000
THE KITCHEN, AND REPLACING THE DAMAGED WALLS WITH FIRE RATED WALLS THAT ARE
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ALSO MOISTURE RESISTANT. IN 2021 THE CITY STAFF IDENTIFIED BLOOD REPAIRS AN
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INITIAL LIST OF REPAIRS
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WAS PREPARED AT THAT TIME. ALSO IN 2021 PUBLIC WORKS ACQUIRED THE
SERVICES OF
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AN ENGINEER TO IDENTIFY AND EVALUATE
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LONG-TERM FLOOD APPROVING ALTERNATIVES. THE REPORT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA
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PACKET.
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FOUR ALTERNATIVES WERE EVALUATED, RANGING IN COST FROM 650,000 TO $3.8
MILLION
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AND THE RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE WAS A REMOVABLE PERIMETER BARRIER AT $650,000.
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IN 2023 CITY STAFF INITIATED WORK WITH AN ARCHITECT TO REVISIT THE LIST OF
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REPAIRS THAT WAS INITIALLY PREPARED BACK IN 2021. AND CAME UP WITH WHAT
WERE YOU
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REFERRED TO AS A MASTER LIST OF REPAIRS.
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THE MASTER LIST OF REPAIRS IS INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET. 02:53:35.000 --> 02:53:42.000
I SHOULD NOTE, HOWEVER, THAT THE LIST WAS NOT UPDATED
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TO NOTE THAT CERTAIN AFFAIRS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, NOTABLY THE REPAIRS TO THE
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KITCHEN HOOD, AND THE NEW FIRE RATED WALLS. IN ADDITION, COMMUNITY CENTER STAFF
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HAS ALSO PERFORMED SOME TEMPORARY CEILING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WALLS
WHERE THERE
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IS A ONE INCH GAP
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FOR BUGS AND CRITTERS TO GET THROUGH, AND THE MORE PERMANENT REPAIRS
WOULD BE
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MADE WITH THE PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. THE MASTER LIST WILL BE
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UPDATED TO INCLUDE THE REPAIRS THAT I HAVE MENTIONED,
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THEY WERE INADVERTENTLY LEFT OUT, AND WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE UPDATED MEMO. THE
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ARCHITECTS PREPARED PLANS IN A PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATE OF THE MASTER
LIST OF
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REPAIRS, AND THAT COST ESTIMATE IS $380,000 FOR THE REPAIRS 02:54:27.000 --> 02:54:32.000
, BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THE REPAIRS BEING HIGHER THAN $200,000 02:54:32.000 --> 02:54:36.000
, BY LAW THE CITY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO COMMIT AN ADDITIONAL 20% OF THE 02:54:36.000 --> 02:54:41.000
CONSTRUCTION TO MAKING A.D.A. ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING WHICH
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WOULD INCREASE THE TOTAL COST FOR CONSTRUCTION TO $456,000. 02:54:50.000 --> 02:54:52.000
FOR THE SHORT TERM PLAN, STAFF RECOMMENDS MOVING FORWARD WITH
IMPLEMENTATION OF
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THE MASTER LIST OF IMPROVEMENTS
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, FINALIZING THE PLANS AND COST ESTIMATE THAT HAVE BEEN PREPARED BY THE 02:54:59.000 --> 02:55:06.000
ARCHITECT AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVED LIMITATION
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OF THE LIST OF REPAIRS IN 26-27 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WHERE IN THE 02:55:10.000 --> 02:55:13.000
BUDGETING PROCESS RIGHT NOW FOR THAT PLAN. THEREFORE THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE
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SHORT TERM IMPLEMENTATION PLAN
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WOULD BE, INCLUDE THE SHORT REPAIRS IN THE 26-47 STAFF
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AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, STAFF WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE IN THE CIP BUDGET THE
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FINAL DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION I MENTIONED TO YOU, THE TOTAL CONSTRUCTION WOULD
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AND IF
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APPROVED, THE FINAL DESIGN WOULD BEGIN IN JULY WITH PROJECT BIDDING AND AWARD
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WOULD START IN THE FALL. AND WORK COMPLETED IN 2027.
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FOR THE LONG-TERM PLAN, PUBLIC WORKS STAFF DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THE
REMOVABLE
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BARRIER THAT WAS RECOMMENDED IN THE REPORT WOULD BE FEASIBLE DUE TO THE NUMBER
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OF PUBLIC WORKS STAFF THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DEPLOYED TO PERFORM THE WORK.
THERE
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WAS CONCERN OF HOW TO STORE THE BARRIER. THERE WAS A SUGGESTION 02:56:18.000 --> 02:56:23.000
RECENTLY OF WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES SUCH AS GOLD RIDGE FIRE DISTRICT, 02:56:23.000 --> 02:56:26.000
AND STAFF CAN LOOK INTO THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT AS WELL AS FURTHER AT
WHERE TO
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STORE THE PORTABLE BARRIER SYSTEM.
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AS WE CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY OF THE PERIMETER SYSTEM, IT IS 02:56:36.000 --> 02:56:40.000
RECOMMENDED THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO EXPLORE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH 02:56:40.000 --> 02:56:44.000
IMPLEMENTATION OF A SHARED CIVIC SPACE EITHER WITH THE SEBASTOPOL
COMMENTS OR
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WITH ANOTHER NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. THIS WAS NOT AN EASY PROJECT TO GO
THROUGH
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BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS A VERY IMPORTANT CENTER FOR THE
COMMUNITY, AND
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SO, WE DO BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF THE SHORT TERM
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IMPROVEMENTS. IN THE LONG TERM, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THAT, BUT
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WHILE WE DO THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
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IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SHARED CIVIC SPACE WITH THE SEBASTOPOL COMMENTS AND BEGIN
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THE DISCUSSION.
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AND THAT CONCLUDES MY ORAL PRESENTATION, AND WITH ME HERE TO HELP ANSWER 02:57:23.000 --> 02:57:29.000
QUESTIONS IS ERIC BILLING, PUBLIC WORKS SUPERVISOR.
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>> ERIC?
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>> I'M JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSAL.
THE
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RECOMMENDATIONS OR STAFF TIME, ON WHY WE DON'T THINK
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THE REMOVABLE BARRIER IS THE BEST OPTION, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
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FOR THE FOLKS FROM THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE BOARD. SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO 02:58:14.000 --> 02:58:20.000
.
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>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE
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, AS MANY PEOPLE KNOW I SERVED ON THE COMMITTEE CENTER BOARD FOR A NUMBER OF
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YEARS. I FEEL INTIMATELY AWARE AND SAT ON THE FLOOD MITIGATION 02:58:35.000 --> 02:58:38.000
COMMITTEE FOR A LONG TIME, BUT I WANTED TO VERIFY WITH YOU ALL. WE ARE
MANAGERS
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OF THE BUILDING. AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER
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IS RUN BY ITS OWN NONPROFIT. WHEN WE SAY THAT
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WE WANT THE CITY TO DIRECT THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO WORK WITH 02:58:55.000 --> 02:59:02.000
THESE OTHER ENTITIES OR WHATEVER TO FIND SHARED SPACES, WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR
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FROM YOU IS, IN MY OPINION IT'S NOT OUR PRAYER PLACE TO TELL A NONPROFIT, WE OWN
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THE BUILDING, WE LEASE IT TO YOU. THERE'S A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 02:59:12.000 --> 02:59:15.000
WHAT WE CAN DIRECT AND WHAT YOUR BOARD DIRECTS. I WANT TO KNOW FROM YOUR 02:59:15.000 --> 02:59:20.000
PERSPECTIVE, ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF THAT?
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IT SAYS RIGHT HERE, DIRECT STAFF TO EXPLORE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH 02:59:23.000 --> 02:59:29.000
IMPLEMENTATION FOR SHARED CIVIC SPACE, EITHER WITH THE COMMENTS OR WHATEVER.
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I'M ASKING YOU IS THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, IS THE BOARD SUPPORTIVE OF THAT 02:59:36.000 --> 02:59:43.000
DIRECTIVE? >> YES. WE RECOGNIZE THE ISSUES WITH THE BUILDING. IN THE
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AND THE LONG-TERM, AND THERE'S BEEN A VARIETY OF EXPLORATIONS 02:59:49.000 --> 02:59:53.000
OF NEW FACILITIES RELOCATED, REBUILT, OVER THE DECADES.
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>> DOESN'T IT FEEL LIKE GROUNDHOG DAY?
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>> WE ARE OPEN TO PARTICIPATING
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IN THE COMMONS PROCESS AND OPEN TO DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER ENTITIES FOR THE
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LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS.
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>> I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE
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I ALWAYS WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THESE ARE NONPROFITS RUNNING WITH THEIR OWN
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DIRECTIVES, THEIR OWN BYLAWS AND INITIATIVES, AND
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IT'S THE DECISION OF THE NONPROFIT WHAT DIRECTION THEY WANT TO GO WITH
WHATEVER
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THEY'RE DOING.
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>> WE APPRECIATE
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THE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, YES.
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>> THANK YOU, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF
ANYBODY ELSE
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HAS ANY. GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR.
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>> WHAT'S THE IDEA OF RAISING THE BUILDING UP DISCUSSED AND WHAT WOULD
THE COST
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BE FOR RAISING THE BUILDING UP?
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>> I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT DISCUSSION. THAT WAS A PREVIOUS DIRECTOR HAD TALKED
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ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT IS, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF
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HAS MAJOR CHALLENGES. TO TAKE THAT COMPROMISED STRUCTURE AND RAISE IT UP WOULD
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BE A PRETTY ASTRONOMICAL FEET, ALMOST BETTER TO STIR -- TEAR IT DOWN AND START
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FROM NOON, I THINK. BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THE COST OF TRYING TO RAISE IT UP.
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TRYING TO RAISE IT UP. BECAUSE THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THAT IS, A.D.A.
COMPLIANCE.
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NOW WE HAVE TO PUT AN A.D.A. ELEVATOR TO GET ACCESS TO THE MAIN FLOOR AND THE
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UPPER FLOOR.
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>> IN ORDER, IF WE WANTED TO LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER, WE WOULD HAVE TO
ACQUIRE
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THE SERVICES OF A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AS WELL AS AN ARCHITECT. AND I
HAVEN'T
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RIGHT NOW EXPLORE THE COST OF DOING THAT. BUT WE CAN FIND OUT. 03:01:49.000 --> 03:01:54.000
>> THE YOUTH ANNEX IS ABOVE THE FLOOD LEVEL, RIGHT?
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WE DON'T HAVE AN ELEVATOR HERE. WHY WOULD THAT REQUIRE AN ELEVATOR AT THE 03:01:57.000 --> 03:02:01.000
COMMUNITY CENTER?
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>> THE YOUTH ANNEX WAS BUILT THIS WAY, IT HAS A RAMP THAT ACTS AS AN A.D.A.
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ACCESS THAT WE DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
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AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RAISING IT OUT OF THE FRONT PLANE WHICH WOULD BE 03:02:15.000 --> 03:02:17.000
RAISING IT SIGNIFICANTLY. WE WOULD HAVE TO RAISE IT SIX FEET, SIX TO
EIGHT FEET,
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WHICH IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
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>> GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON.
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>> READING THIS, I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY, IS THIS EXPENSE THAT 03:02:28.000 --> 03:02:35.000
IS THE SHORT-TERM OPTION,
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$456,000, IS THAT'S WHAT'S LEFT FROM THE
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ORIGINAL FLOOD MITIGATION MONEY THAT WE GOT IN 2019 OF THE 1.5? 03:02:44.000 --> 03:02:49.000
IS THAT STILL SITTING THERE
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BEING PROPOSED TO USE ON THIS PROJECT? IS THAT COMING OUT OF OUR CAPITAL 03:02:53.000 --> 03:02:58.000
IMPROVEMENT, AND SEPARATE FROM THE 1.5?
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>> IT'S PROPOSED TO BE COMING OUT OF THE FLOOD MITIGATION MONIES. THERE 03:03:02.000 --> 03:03:05.000
SUFFICIENT FUNDING IN THE BALANCE OF THAT ACCOUNT TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THAT
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PROJECT.
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>> WHAT IS THE BALANCE OF THAT ACCOUNT?
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>> 700,000. I BELIEVE IT'S IN YOUR REPORT AS WELL. 700,000. 03:03:20.000 --> 03:03:26.000
>> I BELIEVE, I COULD LOOK THAT UP.
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>> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. I KNOW I MENTIONED
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EARLIER OVER THE LAST DECADE,
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AND IT'S BASED ON
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A FEW YEARS AGO, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN ALL THESE MEETINGS, HAS THERE BEEN
ANOTHER
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SPACE IDENTIFIED? I KNOW ALL THE CHALLENGES THAT WITH THE NOISE AND THE SIZE,
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WITH COMMERCIAL KITCHEN, WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF BUILDINGS IN THE
CITY HAS
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ANOTHER SPACE.
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APPEARED, THAT ACTUALLY WOULD
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, IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC SIZE AND NEEDS.
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>> THERE HASN'T BEEN
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A SEARCH BY CITY STAFF OR CONSULTANTS, OR BY THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND
THERE'S
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TALK OF VARIOUS DIFFERENT SITES, PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT THAT.
THERE
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ARE SOME POTENTIALS OUT THERE, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED AT SERIOUSLY. 03:04:33.000 --> 03:04:39.000
>> AND WHAT WOULD YOU
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IDENTIFY AS THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER NEEDS IN ORDER TO, THE
MAJORITY
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OF THE FUNDS,
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THE FUNDS THAT YOU HOST EVENTS BASICALLY,
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THOSE EVENTS ARE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL THE CASE THAT THE LION'S SHARE
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OF THE FUNDING THAT COMES IN, IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS AS I'VE BEEN ON THE
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BOARD. IT USED TO BE THAT, SO IS THAT STILL THE CASE, WHAT KIND OF SPACE WOULD
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YOU NEED? TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT YOU DO.
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WHEN THEY MAKE MONEY, WHICH THEY DON'T ALWAYS.
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AND ALSO ROOM RENTALS. WE DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND ALL THAT BRINGS IN 03:05:28.000 --> 03:05:32.000
REVENUE THAT MAKES UP OUR BUDGET.
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SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION.
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>> I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASKING ME QUESTIONS AND I'M SO CLOSE TO THIS AND HAVE BEEN
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INVOLVED FOR SO LONG. SOMETIMES I FORGET THE PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND OR
KNOW ALL
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THESE THINGS. I WAS SAYING TO SOMEONE YESTERDAY, THE COMMUNITY CENTER, YOU DO
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THE ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS,
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SO YOU HAVE VERY SPECIFIC NEEDS THAT YOU WOULD NEED IN ANY NEW SPACE THAT YOU
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HAD, WHICH WOULD BE SPACE TO HOLD FOR THE EVENT, PLUS THE COMMERCIAL KITCHEN.
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I WAS TRYING TO TAKE OFF THE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED FOR YOUR SPACE. I
THINK IT'S
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GOOD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES. I HEAR YOU SHOULD JUST MOVE IT,
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AND EVERYBODY HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT. IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS THAT. 03:06:22.000 --> 03:06:29.000
>> ONCE WE ENGAGED IN A PROCESS, WE WOULD EVALUATE OUR EXISTING SPACE, THE
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BUILDING WASN'T DESIGNED TO BE A COMMUNITY CENTER, IT'S NOT IDEAL IN
SEVERAL
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RESPECTS, LIKE NOT HAVING A BACKSTAGE. NOT HAVING A BATHROOM 03:06:35.000 --> 03:06:38.000
FOR THE GREENROOM.
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>> THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
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>> IN THE IDEAL WE WOULD LOOK AT THE FULL PROGRAM THE EXISTING SPACE, AND THEN,
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START FIGURING OUT
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IF THERE ARE EXISTING SITES OR EXISTING BUILDINGS, WORKING WITH THE CITY, OF
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COURSE.
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>> I DID CHECK.
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>> GO AHEAD, TONY.
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