Sebastopol City Council
September 1, 2026

CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
Regular Meeting of Tuesday, September 1, 2026
6:00 pm Start Time
As Approved by the City Council at their regular meeting of September 15, 2026.

CALL TO ORDER: Mayor McLewis called the meeting to order 6:00 p.m.

ROLL CALL:

Present: Mayor Jill McLewis Accommodations
Vice Mayor Sandra Maurer
Councilmember Phill Carter
Councilmember Stephen Zollman
Councilmember Neysa Hinton Zoom

Absent:

Staff: Mary Gourley, City Manager
Alex Mog, City Attorney, Redwood Public Law
Public Works Director
Police Chief McDonagh
REMOTE PARTICIPATION:

Mayor McLewis medical accommodations
Councilmember Hinton – Brown act participation
SALUTE TO THE FLAG Mayor McLewis led the salute to the flag.

LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: The City of Sebastopol acknowledges that we live and work within the unceded ancestral homelands of the Southern Pomo and the Coast Miwok people. We pay our respect to the past, present, and future generations of these peoples, including the Federated Indians of Graton Rancheria.

REMEMBERING THE HISTORY OF SEBASTOPOL: None
PROCLAMATIONS/PRESENTATIONS/INTRODUCTIONS: None
STATEMENTS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST: Conflicts of interest may arise in situations where a public official deliberating towards a decision, has an actual or potential financial interest in the matter before the Council. In accordance with state law, an actual conflict of interest is one that would be to the private financial benefit of a public official, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A potential conflict of interest is one that could be to the private financial benefit of a Councilmember, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A Councilmember must publicly announce potential and actual conflicts of interest, and, in the case of actual conflict of interest, must refrain from participating in debate on the issue or from voting on the issue and must remove themselves from the dais. NONE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA (FIRST COMMENT PERIOD): Up to Twenty (20) Minute Time Limit (Two Minutes for up to ten speakers). Additional public comment will be held at the end of the discussion and action items for up to an additional twenty (20) minutes. Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers.

Process for calling on Speakers: Mayor or designee shall ask for public comment as follows: Speakers to be called on in an alternate manner (One speaker in person to be called on first; then one speaker remote to be called on second with additional speakers to be called on in the same manner) based upon the time limit.

The following member(s) of the public spoke during public comment for items not on the agenda:

Melissa Just Cause Ordinance
Kyle SCTCA Meetings Council attendance/SC Maintenance of Effort Sandi Just Cause Ordinance
Mary EFOC; repay funds
Steve Chapter 8.25 Number 55; Protest of main intersection in town; decibel limits/noise control ordinance
Mary Three minute comments
Lena North Bay Organizing Project/Woodmark
CONSENT CALENDAR: The consent agenda consists of items that are routine in nature and do not require additional discussion by the City Council or have been reviewed by the City Council previously. These items may be approved by one motion without discussion unless a member of the City Council requests that the item be taken off the consent calendar.

The Mayor will read aloud the title of each consent item (either full agenda title or a simplified version of the agenda title), and ask if a Councilmember wishes to remove one or more items from the consent calendar; and then open public comment to the members of the public in attendance. At this time, a member of the public may speak for up to two (2) minutes on the entire consent calendar and request at that time that an item or items removed for discussion.

If an item or items are removed from the consent calendar, the item shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor. Council Members may comment on Consent Calendar items or ask for minor clarifications without the need for pulling the item for separate consideration. Items requiring deliberation should be pulled for separate consideration and shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor.

Mayor McLewis read the consent calendar.

Mayor McLewis asked if Councilmember wanted to pull a consent calendar item.

Mayor McLewis pulled item number 2 for a vote only.

Mayor McLewis opened for public comment. The following member(s) of the public spoke during public comment:

Kyle Removal of agenda items
Lee Bodega Avenue costs
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.

MOTION:

Councilmember Hinton moved and Mayor McLewis seconded the motion to approve consent calendar items 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7.

Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: None

1. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes for Regular Meeting of August 4, 2026 Responsible Department: City Manager
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact: None
City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes for Regular Meeting of August 4, 2026.

Minute Order Number: 2026-223

2. Approval of Adoption of City Policy Requiring Annual Request for the Barlow Hotel Transient Occupancy

Tax (TOT) Rebate Marketing Expenditures. Approval requires City staff (Planning Department), by March 1 of each year during the rebate period, to formally request the annual marketing expenditure report from the hotel owner / Developer / payee of the tax; and requires that the report be presented to the City Council no later than the June regular meeting of each year (or the first regular meeting thereafter).

Responsible Department: City Administration/City Attorney Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact: None

3. Approval of Notice of Intent to Amend the City of Sebastopol Conflict of Interest Code. Amendments are routine amendments such as current job classifications.

Responsible Department: City Administration/City Attorney Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact: None.

City Council Action: Approved Notice of Intent to Amend the City of Sebastopol Conflict of Interest Code.

Minute Order Number: 2026-225

4. Approval of Second Reading and Adoption of Ordinance to add Chapter 5.66, “Newsrack Regulations,” to the Sebastopol Municipal Code.

Responsible Department: City Administration/City Attorney Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact: None.

City Council Action: Approved Second Reading and Adoption of Ordinance to add Chapter 5.66, “Newsrack Regulations” to the Sebastopol Municipal Code.

Minute Order Number: 2026-226
Ordinance Number: 1169

5. Approval of Notice of Completion for Bodega Phase 2 Bike Lane Project.

Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact: None. Funding in the amount of $2,673,600 is in the FY 26-27 CIP budget.

City Council Action: Approved Notice of Completion for Bodega Phase 2 Bike Lane Project.

Minute Order Number: 2026-227

6. Approval of Notice of Completion for Digouts & Repair Paving Project.

Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact: None. Funding in the amount of funding in the amount of is in the FY 26 27 CIP budget.

City Council Action: Approved Notice of Completion for Digouts & Repair Paving Project.

Minute Order Number: 2026-228

7. Award Contract for Pedestrian Crossing Enhancements on SR-116 Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact: None. The total project funding appropriated in the FY 2026-27 CIP is $318,050, which is sufficient to fund the recommended contract award, contingency, and associated project costs.

Funding for this project was approved as part of the FY 2026-27 Capital Improvement Program (CIP No. 0132-

23.02).

City Council Action: Awarded Contract for Pedestrian Crossing Enhancements on SR-116.

Minute Order Number: 2026-229
Resolution Number: 6794-2026

Project Costs Amount Funding Sources Amount
Construction
Contract Award $195,480 HSIP Grant (Fund 211) $215,820
Construction
Contingency
(20%)
$39,096 Traffic Impact Fee Fund (Fund 213) $52,230
Total
Construction
Authorization
$234,576 SB 1 Road Maintenance & Rehabilitation Fund (Fund 217) $50,000 Total CIP Funding Available $318,050
Item Number 2 below removed from the consent calendar for a separate vote.

2. Approval of Adoption of City Policy Requiring Annual Request for the Barlow Hotel Transient Occupancy Tax (TOT) Rebate Marketing Expenditures. Approval requires City staff (Planning Department), by March 1 of each year during the rebate period, to formally request the annual marketing expenditure report from the hotel owner / Developer / payee of the tax; and requires that the report be presented to the City Council no later than the June regular meeting of each year (or the first regular meeting thereafter).

Responsible Department: City Administration/City Attorney Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact: None
MOTION:

Councilmember Hinton moved and Councilmember Zollman seconded the motion to approve consent calendar item

2. City Manager Gourley called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: Mayor McLewis
City Council Action: Approved adoption of City Policy requiring Annual Request for the Barlow Hotel TOT Rebate Marketing Expenditures.

Minute Order Number: 2026-224
INFORMATIONAL ITEMS/PRESENTATIONS: Informational Items or Presentations are items that are informational only and do not require action by the City Council. Presentations shall be scheduled as necessary for the promotion of an event or service or general information items to the Council and should be limited to ten (10) minutes total in length of item (total length includes questions of Council to presenter and public comment). NONE

8. Presentation from St Vincents de Paul on Status of Gravenstein Commons/Status of Community Engagement Meeting and Update on Good Neighbor Policy or Affirmations Responsible Department: City Council Liaison to Homeless/City Manager Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact: None; Consultant Costs Reimbursed by SVdP City Manager Gourley presented the agenda item and introduced Lauren Taylor and Robin Stephani.

Lauren Taylor, SVDP and Robin Stephani, 8th Wave (City Consultant) provided information to the City Council on the status of Gravenstein Commons.

Mayor McLewis opened for questions of staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff.

Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:

Oliver
Lee
Kathleen
Kyle
Member of the public
The Council thanked the presenters and received the presentation.

City Council Action: None. Received Presentation.

Minute Order Number: 2026-230
PUBLIC HEARING(s): NONE
REGULAR CALENDAR AGENDA ITEMS (DISCUSSION AND/OR ACTION):

9. Consideration of Approval of Good Neighbor Policy. Guidelines designed to balance development, business operations, and social services with the quality of life in surrounding residential areas. They address nuisances like noise, trash, and traffic, often requiring businesses or service providers to implement security, contact lines, and community engagement to foster accountability and reduce conflict. The proposed County standards are due to be approved after one more review.

Requestor: City Council Liaison Homeless
Responsible Department: City Attorney
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact: None
City Attorney Mog presented the Agenda item.

Mayor McLewis opened for questions of staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff.

Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:

Oliver
Lee
Kathleen
Rob
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:

Council continued discussion of the item.

Mayor McLewis called for a motion.

MOTION:

Vice Mayor Maurer moved and Councilmember Zollman seconded to continue this item to a future City Council meeting in January 2027.

After discussion Vice Mayor Maurer withdrew the motion.

Councilmember Zollman moved and Mayor McLewis seconded to continue this item at the 1st or 3rd meeting in Jan 2027 McLewis partner providers to review/suggest
City Manager Gourley called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Zollman & Mayor McLewis
Noes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, & Maurer

Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: None Taken. Motion Failed.

Minute Order Number: 2026-231

MOTION FAILS

10. Presentation from HEART/ SOUL (Solving Obstacles for Unsheltered Lives) and West County Community Services (WCCS) on Services Provided for Homeless Services and Consideration of Contracts for Homeless Outreach Services. The Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with HEART expires September 16, 2026; and the contract with WCCS expired June 30, 2026. The item tonight is to consider agreements with the following:
a. Contract with SOUL (Formerly Named HEART)
b. Contract with WCCS (West County Community Services)
c. Other Direction to staff
Responsible Department: City Council Homeless Liaison/Police Chief Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact: None. $40,000 has been allocated in the FY 26 27 Budget for Homeless Outreach Services.

Chief McDonagh presented the Agenda item. Presenters include Christy Davilla and Hunter Scott.

Mayor McLewis opened for questions of staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff.

Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:

Rob
Lee
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:

Council continued discussion of the item.

Mayor McLewis called for a motion.

MOTION:

Councilmember Zollman moved and Vice Mayor Maurer seconded the motion to:

1. Authorize the continued partnership with Sonoma County Department of Health Services (HEART/SOUL) for dedicated homeless outreach services and authorize return to a future city council meeting a successor MOU/contract upon completion of negotiations and final approval as to form by the city attorney.

HEART/SOUL has agreed to continue providing services following expiration of the current MOU on

September 16, 2026, while the successor agreement completes the county and city review and approval processes, thereby avoiding any interruption in services.

2. Approve a professional services agreement with West County Community Services for FY 2026-27 Homeless Outreach Services in an amount not to exceed $40,000 and authorize the city manager to execute the agreement subject to final approval as to form by the city attorney.

Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, & Maurer
Noes: McLewis

Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Authorized continued partnership with Sonoma County Department of Health Services (HEART/SOUL) for dedicated homeless outreach services and authorized return to a future City Council meeting a successor MOU/contract upon completion of negotiations and final approval as to form by the City Attorney.

Approved a Professional Services Agreement with West County Community Services for FY026/27 Homeless Outreach Services in an amount not to exceed $40,000 and authorized the City Manager to execute the agreement subject to final approval as to form by the City Attorney.

Minute Order Number: 2026-232
Resolution Number: 6795-2026

11. Discussion and Consideration of Financing Options for Well 4 Reconstruction PULLED FROM AGENDA; WILL BE HEARD AT A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda report is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact:

City Council Action: None. Item was pulled from Agenda.

Minute Order Number: 2026-233
Mayor McLewis departed the meeting at 8:23 pm.

12. Discussion of City Attorney Research on Legal Options on Response to Community Concerns of Graffiti and Racial Mockery Associated with the Safeway Area focusing on restorative justice model. Item includes reaffirmation of that Sebastopol is a welcoming place for everyone.

Responsible Department: City Attorney
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda report is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional Fiscal Impact: There is no additional fiscal impact as ten hours were allocated by the City Council.

City Attorney Alex Mog presented the Agenda item.

Vice Mayor Maurer opened for questions of staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff.

Vice Mayor Maurer opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:

1. Cynthia

2. Mary

3. Member of the public

4. Woody

5. A member of the public

6. Kyle

7. A member of the public

8. Rob

9. Christy

10. Margaret

11. Susan

12. Sarah

13. Dena

14. June

15. Linda

16. M Kelly

17. Oliver

18. Glen

19. Michelle

20. Liz

21. Browen

22. Megan

23. Woody

24. Stella
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:

Council continued discussion of the item.

Vice Mayor Maurer called for a motion.

MOTION:

Councilmember Zollman moved and Councilmember Carter seconded the motion as follows:

Directed staff to return to an agenda item to the next city council meeting for creation of ad hoc or council liaison in response to recommendations;
• Staff time
• Recommendation for staffing
• Scope of duties/hours
• Training for racial bias
• Safeway letter
Vice Mayor Maurer called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, & Zollman, and Vice Mayor Maurer Noes: None

Absent: Mayor McLewis
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved motion to direct staff to return to an agenda item to the next City Council meeting for creation of an ad hoc or council liaison in response to recommendations.

Minute Order Number: 2026-234
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA: Two minutes per speaker for up to twenty (20) minutes total for public comments but can be reduced at Mayor’s discretion depending upon the number of speakers or Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers.

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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You are, Cody?
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City Council: Already on the Zoom.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Oops.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, thank you.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Mary, are you able to hear me?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I am able to hear you. 7 00:00:15.330 --> 00:00:16.090
Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Hinton, can you hear us?
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Hmm… I can hear you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Great, thank you. 11 00:00:28.310 --> 00:00:33.950
Mayor Jill McLewis: Let me just get my agenda here, and I will be ready in just one moment. Thanks, everyone, for your patience. 12 00:00:45.490 --> 00:00:47.620
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Mayor, we're ready to start the meeting whenever you are.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Oh, okay, I was just making sure for confirmation.

So, I welcome everyone tonight, to City Council. Obviously, I'm on Zoom.

First thing we're going to do is actually just, call to order the meeting, and then have, our City Manager, Mary, if you could do the roll call.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Mayor. Councilmember Carter?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Here. Councilmember Hinton? 16 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:13.880
Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Here.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? Present. Vice Mayor Maurer? Here. Mayor McLewis?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Here.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Now, all Councilmembers are in attendance.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Perfect, thank you. So tonight, we obviously have some remote participation. I'll just let you know that I am, participating remote under my accommodation for my, medical treatment that I'm receiving tonight. It's a necessary thing tonight. And then we also have another Councilmember Hinton, if you'd like to… 21 00:01:41.600 --> 00:01:42.930
Mayor Jill McLewis: I don't know if…
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Yeah, I'm participating tonight, as posted on the agenda, from a location in Bend, Oregon, and I have to participate because I'm up here traveling for my work business.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Alright, thank you.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: The next thing we're gonna do is Salute to the flag, if we could all stand and do that.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: All right, I pledge allegiance. I can't hear everyone in the room, so… flag of the United States of America, to the Republic for which it stands, one agent, is…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: And I just wanted to state that
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Mayor Jill McLewis: One thing I've discovered through leading the meetings through Zoom is that unless someone's on the microphone, you absolutely cannot hear anything in the room, so if anything is happening in the room, I just hope that someone will communicate that with me, because it's been a learning process over this year. I can see some chairs, but other than that, I can't hear anything other than what's on the microphones.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: So…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, so we have a land acknowledgement that we do, at every meeting. The City of Sebastopol acknowledges that we live and work within the unceded ancestral homelands of the southern Pomo and the Coast Miwok people. We pay our respect to the past, present, and the future generations of these peoples, including the Federated Indians of Great and Rancheria.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: And this evening, just due to all of the, just due to the changes in me doing this remote, we won't be doing the, history piece tonight, but I will have that back at our next meeting. 31 00:03:21.890 --> 00:03:32.739
Mayor Jill McLewis: And we do not have any proclamations or presentations this… or proclamations this evening, so, the first thing I wanted to ask everyone is if there are any statements of conflict of interest. 32 00:03:34.920 --> 00:03:39.889
Mayor Jill McLewis: I see heads shaking. Councilmember Carter, I can't tell if you've…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We have no… we have no statements in… in the chambers.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, thank you, and I appreciate everyone shaking their heads so well. It's hard to see. Okay, so we're going to move on to public comment for items that are not on the agenda, so, if you want to go ahead and take that over, Mary.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Mayor. So, as stated, this is for items that are not on tonight's agenda. It is a 20-minute time limit. It is a 2-minute per speaker. We go to chambers first, and then go out to Zoom, come back in, go back out until there's 10 speakers.

So, I will look to Chambers if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment for an item not on the agenda. 36 00:04:29.970 --> 00:04:31.919
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is the microphone pushed on? 37 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:48.679
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hello, Mayor and Councilmembers. My name is Melissa Page. I'm a member of Woodmark Tenants United, and we are just here to ask you to put the permanent, the ordinance on the agenda to make it permanent. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I will go out to Zoom. Kyle, can you unmute yourself, please? 39 00:04:57.490 --> 00:04:58.260
Kyle Falbo: I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Can you see the timer? 41 00:05:00.060 --> 00:05:01.710
Kyle Falbo: I can't, but you can let me know.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right, go ahead, please. 43 00:05:04.380 --> 00:05:12.759
Kyle Falbo: Good evening. I want to begin tonight by correcting something I said during public comment at the August SCTCA meeting, and apologizing to Councilmember Hinton.
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Kyle Falbo: I said in that meeting that Councilmember Hinton had missed 4 out of the previous 5 SCTCA meetings without a Sebastopol alternate president.
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Kyle Falbo: While I was making that comment, Councilmember Hinton actually arrived late to the meeting. So, Neysa, I misspoke, and I apologize. You have only missed 3 of the previous 5 meetings without an alternate present, not 4.
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Kyle Falbo: But there's an important item later in that meeting that Neysa did miss after leaving somewhat early to attend a Sonoma County Fair meeting, and I want to make sure that Council hears about it. 47 00:05:44.980 --> 00:06:08.030
Kyle Falbo: SCTCA reported that Sebastopol was the only jurisdiction in Sonoma County initially found out of compliance with Go Sonoma's maintenance of effort requirement. The purpose of that requirement is simple. When voters propose new transportation funding, cities aren't supposed to respond by reducing their own baseline transportation spending. SCTCA calls this a key accountability promise made to voters. 48 00:06:08.050 --> 00:06:10.630
Kyle Falbo: Sebastopol was initially 8% deficit.
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Kyle Falbo: Staff recommended withholding and redistributing more than $11,000 of funding, and the Citizens Advisory Committee unanimously resupported that recommendation. Then, before the SCTCA Board could take that final act, Sebastopol revised its financial reporting following an audit and revised reporting to the State Controller. We were ultimately declared compliant.
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Kyle Falbo: Maybe these revisions were entirely appropriate, but that's exactly why I think that this deserves a public explanation here. 51 00:06:38.790 --> 00:06:40.270
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Bill, you have about 30 seconds. 52 00:06:40.270 --> 00:06:56.820
Kyle Falbo: How did Sebastopol's financial practices allow us to report ourselves out of compliance in the first place? What specifically changed after we were threatened with losing funding? And why did our representative to SCTCA not report the situation back to the Council and the public when it was unfolding?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Kyle, for your public comments. Neys Kyle will come into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I… I'll get the gentleman the next time.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hello, my name's Sandy Russell. Am I loud enough?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Can you hear it?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: We can hear you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Great, okay. I just came tonight because we've been… we've been working with you for the last year on the ordinance to help protect us from eviction from Woodmark. 59 00:07:30.170 --> 00:07:44.620
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Anyway, today's… tonight's, comments from me are basically to thank everybody for your time and your consideration in making this happen for us. We really, really appreciate it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I want to wish you all good luck on your re-election. I know it's all coming up, and I think… yes, you're the Vice Mayor now. Yeah. Well, thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And thank you to, Councilman Zolman. He helped us a lot with our plight in, living at Woodmark and fighting eviction.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, we're very sad to see you go. 63 00:08:09.910 --> 00:08:12.450
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for everything you did for us.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And Mary, too. And Alex Mogg. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I hope you all got a copy of our statement regarding the ordinance, and we're really anxious to bring it forward rather than leave it till later, because we know that there's going to be a changing of the guard, and we really, really want to try and make it a permanent part of
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Our existence to protect us from further eviction problems.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That you might be interested in.

There's been… there's three components as to why we're still here, and people are pretty amazed about that, that we're still here after fighting for a year. Then you have 20 seconds. Okay. The ordinance, which was… was a big deterrent in their final
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Legal Aid of Sonoma County was absolutely amazing. They produced some fantastic
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: discovery documents that was not only
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Astounding, but it was shocking to all of us, of what had happened in the background.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So I think that's true. We're, we're just…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: basically really appreciate everybody's help, and thank you. Thank you for your public comment. Next, I'll go out to Zoom. Mary, can you unmute yourself, please? 76 00:09:41.230 --> 00:09:42.320
Mary Meihaus: Oh, yes.
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Mary Meihaus: Oh, okay, thank you. Yes, my name is Mary Meihaus. I am a member of the EFOC's Finance Subcommittee, and I'm just here to talk about the EFOC and the
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Mary Meihaus: what our thoughts are, as the Finance Committee. I would just want to first stress the importance of the City repaying, the $5.5 million identified by the Grand Jury Report in May of this year, and also supported by the EFOC's work.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Just wanted to interrupt for a minute, if someone could… could the James Hintonley…
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Mary Meihaus: Oh my god.
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Mary Meihaus: Oh, no, thank you, I appreciate you. Yeah, definitely, definitely the time to speak up, I did not notice. yeah, so… I… just moving forward, I would like to see the city commit to, 90 00:10:52.440 --> 00:11:06.069
Mary Meihaus: making that repayment of importance of the misallocated funds, especially the $300,000, to be put back into the enterprise funds.

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Mary Meihaus: Mainly because of the crucial water system infrastructure repairs, items coming up, like the Pleasant Hill Loop and the Well No. 4.

Those are critical needs within the city.
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Mary Meihaus: running… essentially running a utility district, and the ratepayers are paying for the management of the utilities, and the city and the council need to devote the concentrated time to the enterprise funds and infrastructure.
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Mary Meihaus: And we're just looking for that focus. And we… 95 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:53.690
Mary Meihaus: we looked toward the… as the Finance Committee, we looked towards examples of…
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Mary Meihaus: this focus through, places like Sweetwater Springs, which is our neighborhood water district, or neighbor water district. And so for things like.
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Mary Meihaus: Their meetings involve laboratory testing, water production, leaks, all the information, like, including all this, leaks, Guerneville rainfall, all grants, all these things, and we believe that the public works director should function like a general manager of a utility district.
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Mary Meihaus: Oh, shoot, okay, thank you, I'm sorry.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I will come back into chambers. If there's anyone in chambers, please.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good evening, my name's Steve Einstein, and I'm here to talk about Chapter 8.25.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: of the Sebastopol Municipal Code, and in particular, the number 55.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The individuals who protest at the main intersection in town every Friday afternoon in support of the Palestinian cause have every right to lie and distort and spread false information about the tragedy that has befallen the Palestinian people, especially in Gaza.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Indeed, it's a tragedy for all the peoples of the Middle East.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That their signs grossly mistake and distort the truth, from the number of individuals killed, to the role of AIPAC, to the spreading of conspiracy theories, is their right. But never mind that. Free speech is protected even when it's hate speech. 108
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: What is not protected is exceeding the decibel limits as spelled out in the Municipal Code Chapter 8.25.

That's the noise control ordinance. These demonstrators have been blasting hateful lyrics full of distortions about Israel and the Jews who live there for many months through a sound system that well exceeds the legal limit
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Of 55 decibels.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That's the limit spelled out in the Municipal Code of the City of Sebastopol, Section 8.25.060. Never mind the hateful lyrics that portray Israel as a state of Nazi pedophiles.

Their speaker usually blasts the intersection and everyone near it at 90 to 100 decibels, well in excess of the law.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Steve, you have 15 seconds. Great.

To this point, the Sebastopol Police Department, in a mistaken effort to respect and protect free speech, has yet to enforce the code. I hope that this Friday, and every day going forward, our police department will respect and protect the rights of all of us by finally enforcing the ordinance. Thank you very much.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

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mary cone: I think it's time for us to go back to 3-minute comments. It was, what, maybe 3 years ago that I think Diana made it… took it down to

2. People simply don't have time
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mary cone: and are usually cut off. I think it's important for the Council to hear what people have to say.
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mary cone: I was hoping maybe that could be brought up in another council meeting. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I will come back into chambers, please.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good afternoon, Council, and to Mayor, Vice Mayor. My name is Lena Blanco, I'm a tenant organizer at the North Bay Organizing Project, and also live in Sebastopol. I've been working with Woodmark tenants for the last year as they're fighting to keep their homes, keep a roof over their heads, and I wanted to share some of the triumphs that have been happening over the last year. The tenant leaders of Woodmark have been engaging in supporting other residents across Sonoma County in the mobile home
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: home park, communities against harmony communities, as well as building connections with their neighbors, their new neighbors, their new farmworking neighbors who live in those units. I wanted to share that there is a trend that we're seeing as this kind of new standard in affordable housing of going beyond what's good cause, and really stepping up to just cause. And so I feel like Sebastopol really set a model for having just cause for affordable housing complexes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 45 units and more, which is a beautiful new standard that I think, really sets the tone of what we mean when we say housing is a human right here. So thank you for your continued support. We hope that you could agendize Just Cause sooner than November. We know that time is ticking for folks, and this company will do what they can to get folks out of their homes, and we just want to make sure that folks feel protected and ready to keep fighting and building community. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment for an item not on the agenda, to please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment for an item not on tonight's agenda.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, Mayor Public Comment is closed.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: All right, thank you all very much. Before we, get into our consent calendar, I just wanted to mention, just as a point of order, that item number 11 that was on
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Mayor Jill McLewis: the agenda, which is the water infrastructure financing options, has been removed from the agenda, so I just wanted to make certain people knew that in the audience, just in case if you're there for that item.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: So moving on to the consent calendar, I'm gonna go ahead and read the items, and then we will have our…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Find out if anyone wants to pull anything. Number one is approval of City Council meeting minutes for regular meeting of August 4th, 2026. Number two is approval of adoption of city policy requiring annual requests for the Barlow Hotel Transient Occupancy Tax, TOT. 131
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Rebate mark… rebate marketing expenditures. Approval requires city staff, planning department by March 1 of each year during the rebate period to formally request the annual marketing expenditure report from the hotel owner.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Number 3, approval of notice of intent to amend the City of Sebastopol conflict of Interest Code. Amendments are routine amendments, such as current job classifications. Number four, approval of second reading and the adoption of ordinance to add Chapter 5.66, NewsRAC regulations to the Sebastopol Municipal Code. Number 5, approval of notice of completion for Bodega
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Phase 2, Bike Lane Project. Number 6, approval of notice of completion for digouts and repair paving.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Number 7, award contract for pedestrian crossing enhancements on State Route 116. So I just wanted to ask, does anyone want… any… do any Councilmembers want to pull an item?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, I will need to pull number 2 just simply to vote separately, because I am precluded from voting on that one item, so when we, make a motion, it would, it would need to disclude number 2, and do that separately, with everybody else, so…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Anyway, so go ahead, Mary, if you want to do public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Hinton has her hand raised.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. So, now is the opportunity for public comment for items on the consent calendar only. If you'd like to make a public comment, again, it is a two-minute public comment period. I go to Chambers first, and then go out to Zoom, if there's anyone in Chambers that would like to make a public comment on the consent calendar item. Seeing none, I will go out to Zoom. Kyle, can you mute yourself, please?
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Kyle Falbo: I can, and I apologize for taking this opportunity to do a point of order, because based on our Zoom settings, there isn't really a practice by which a member of the public can call for a point of order.

Specifically, I want to address the mayor's action of
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Kyle Falbo: announcing the removal of an agenda item following public comment for items not on the agenda. What that has done is reduce the opportunity for the public to comment on that item. Not only does the public no longer have the ability to comment on that item. 145
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Kyle Falbo: as an agendized item tonight, by waiting until after public comment for items that are not on the agenda, you have actively restricted the ability for folks to publicly comment on that item during that period of time.
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Kyle Falbo: So, in the future.
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Kyle Falbo: It would seem appropriate that we pull items at the start of the meeting and not wait until the public has provided its public comment.
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Kyle Falbo: And I would be interested in hearing from the… either the attorney or the council as a whole as to this practice, and the… 149
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Kyle Falbo: the legality of that practice. Thanks.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Kyle, for your public comment. Next, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. Lee, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Lee: Yes, can you hear me?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Can… yes, can you see the timer?
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Lee: Yeah, I don't know if anyone else has noticed. I… I've… I was back and forth to Bodega Bay this past week, and I drove by this new… new Bodega Bay, project.
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Lee: completed project that's on the consent calendar a number of times.

It looks like, it was a 2.25 million project. It appears that there's about maybe, generously, 100 yards of pavement that's been restored. 158
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Lee: any bike lane. I don't know if anybody else thinks that $2.25 million is a lot for what was done there, and at the time, I was driving a motorhome, which, if you've ever ridden in a motorhome, if it's a bad road, it's really bad. You hear every little
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Lee: pothole, and Bodega is right up there with the worst roads I've traveled on in the United States in the last year. So there's a lot more work to be done. At $2.2 million for every 100 yards, it's gonna be really, really expensive.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom, if there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on the consent calendar items only.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, the consent calendar is closed for public comment.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Thank you, and Alex, can you address the question there? I know it was… it was explained to me that I wasn't even necessary to announce it, but then I realized that I probably should. So, can you, as far as the item being pulled, so, can you address that? 167
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, the posted… the agenda has been revised, and it is noted on the agenda that the item, 168
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm sorry, Alex, can you speak to the microphone? Sorry, I said it is on… the agenda was revised and reposted with…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: When the item comes back to the Council, yes, absolutely. I'm talking about the one pulled off the consent. Will that have the opportunity for public to comment on that? 173
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Nothing has been pulled off of consent.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oh, for… yes, for the Barlow, yes.

Yeah, thank you. Yes, that one, Mel, yes.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: All right, so we are gonna… can we go with the, with the items?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: We're addressing items 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7. 177
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Correct. We need a motion and a second.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: For those items.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Hinton has her… I don't know if she has a question or a motion.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seconded.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Mayor. So we have a motion and a second, so moved by Councilmember Hinton and seconded by Councilmember Zolman to approve of Consent Calendar Items 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7. Number 2 has been removed. Councilmember Carter? 188
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? Yes. Vice Mayor Maurer? Yes. Mayor McLewis?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: So just to be clear, Alex, you stated that we need to have a second public comment for item number two. I'm trying to follow here.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No, since it was pulled, people can now… members of the council, if they want to make.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Oh, I thought you meant… because she asked… I thought the question was about public comment, not about council comment. Am I misunderstanding?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No, my question was, based on what Kyle had said, he called for a point of order here, because if it was pulled… so, could people have made comments on that item? 198
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: During the comments on consent calendar?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I… people can make comments about item 2 on the consent calendar. I believe Kyle was speaking about item 11, which is not part of the consent calendar. No, I'm sure he was speaking about item 2.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Let me clarify.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I… I spoke before consent calendar. I said item number 11, which was… let me, just so that I speak clearly, was postponed. Number 11, which was the water infrastructure financing options. Before I started the consent calendar, I mentioned that that one had been postponed. It was explained to me that because the agenda was revised previously, it wasn't necessarily
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Mayor Jill McLewis: necessary to make a big announcement, but it just occurred to me that I wanted to make that announcement when we were, before we got, you know, into the meeting too far, and people were sitting there. So I was just trying to be courteous and mention it, even though it wasn't necessary.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: But… but the commenter was asking whether or not that impacted public comment, so that's what I was asking.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: With pulling that with, you know, me not announcing it at the very beginning of the meeting versus now.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: That's what I was talking about, Vice Mayor, if that helps.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Alright, so are we clear here? Is it okay if we go on to item number 2, Mary?
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I'm happy to, move on Consent Agenda item number 2 for approval of adoption of city policy requiring annual requests for the Barlow Hotel transient occupancy, TOT tax rebate for marketing expenses.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: a second.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. So moved by Councilmember Hinton and seconded by Councilmember Zolman to approve Consent Calendar Item 2, which is the City Policy to direct, the return to the City Council requiring the annual March review of the marketing plan from the hotel owner. Councilmember Carter?
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Aye.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? Yes. Vice Mayor Maurer? Yes. Mayor McLewis?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I'm abstaining from that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Motion passes 4 to 1, with Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zolman, and Vice Mayor Maurer in support, and Mayor McLewis abstaining.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, thank you.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: So we're going to go on to our informational items.

Number 8, which is presentation from St. Vincent's de Paul on status of Gravenstein Commons, status of community engagement Meeting, an update on good neighbor policy, or affirmations. I believe this is being handled by our city manager, is that correct?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That's correct. Thank you, Mayor.

So, this is an informational item. As the Council and the community is aware, this is a 22-unit permanent supportive housing project that is located at 845 Gravinstein Highway North.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The St. Vincent's de Paul Society is the owner and the developer, and the city remains the Homekey coapplicant with St. Vincent's de Paul. 230
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: As reported in the August report, their construction is about 80% complete.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Their targeted completion date is around November of 2026, with the move-in to follow after the certificate of occupancy. They anticipate a 90% occupancy by January of 28. The city does have a consultant that has been monitoring the compliance, and they have provided… St. Francis de Paul has met their home key performance milestones accordingly.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We do have Lauren Taylor here. We have, who is from St. Vincent's de Paul. We also have Raman Stefani from 8th Wave, who is the city's consultant that is overseeing the compliance, and I'm…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: trying to see if Jack Tibbetts is on the call. I'm assuming… Let me just get there.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I do not see him yet, but this item is to discuss the construction progress, the remaining schedule, the funding, any awards that have been, you know, allocated but not yet received, the COTS staffing model, Lauren will go into that. 235
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the coordinated entry, and the referrals in the West County or Sebastopol eligibility, and then the community outreach and the planned community meetings, as well as any type of good neighbor protocols. So having said that, Lauren and Robin, and I will see if I can get Jack on board.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So if you guys want to go up to the podium and do your presentation,
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Yeah, and we try to keep our total presentations, you know, 10 minutes or under, so…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I wanna make sure.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: You're aware of that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good evening, Councilmembers. Nice to meet, all of you. I think I know a couple of you more personally. Can you hear me okay?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: My name is Lauren Taylor, and yes, I took on the position as Executive Director at St. Vincent de Paul about 10 weeks ago. So been drinking from the proverbial fire hose, as you can imagine. But here tonight to just provide
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: or answer any questions you might have. I know there's been a lot about the project and your previous experience with another PSH community, down the street, of which I'm deeply familiar with. So, I think the most
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Robin Stefani can speak to the, kind of, construction financials, but the biggest concerns that I've heard is just around,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the financial gap that we had to complete the project. We are closer to about 90% completion now. 245
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And we did,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We did receive a million dollar Measure O funding from the Department of Health Services, so we're very excited and grateful for that. We have another $200,000 coming in from the Sonoma County Community Development Commission, and the remaining funds to complete the project will be,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We will be using our line of credit to complete that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: More notably, and most I'm excited to share, is our operation plan. So we have…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: as you had in the report, taken on a partnership with COTS, Committee on the Shelterless.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: They have, deep experience and knowledge about… in the homelessness and housing space. I personally have worked with the organization… not worked with them, but worked alongside them, in partnership for the last several years, and so I can… I really have a lot of trust in… in this path forward with them. 251
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Chris Cabral is the CEO of COTS, and she is also here tonight, and happy to answer any questions you might have, so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There is also others in the room, yes, Caitlin Carney, who's the Director of Coordinated Entry, and Hunter Scott back there, who I think is also giving another presentation. Mark Krug has been a consultant, I think some of you might know from, previous work with him.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So we have a lot of knowledgeable people in the room to answer any questions you might have. 254
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thanks so much!
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Jill, I have a question. 257
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I just thought someone else was coming up, but go ahead.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Yeah, usually I run the meeting and let… when people have questions, but do you want to… do you need it… ask it now, or do you want to ask it later, Sam?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I would like to ask it now, and if you can't answer it, maybe one of the other speakers could answer it. Have you reviewed, or has St. Vincent de Paul Board reviewed the Good Neighbor Policy? And if yes, what are your thoughts on it? 261
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't know that the board did, I did, and there are some parts that stand out, just around particularly… and now that we won't fully be operating the site, it will really be cots. I feel like there…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Honestly, it's… I would leave it up to them to answer the questions, but,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sorry, I'm scrolling to it here. I think the main thing is… was… that stood out was just…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Kind of around the neighborhood patrols and the onus being on the property manager to
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: patrol the surrounding area. That just seems like…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: a bit much of an expectation, frankly.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: around the resident portion, I think…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: there is an intake and assessment process for eligibility. All residents come, and through coordinated entry, so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then the other language just sounds…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Like, loose terminology for folks that need to follow a lease.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Of which…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, it's fine to ask them. 274
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I just want to make sure. I want to make sure we're in compliance.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, I have one other question.

Sure. And that is regarding the county offered $3 million to your organization, and how will you follow up to try to obtain that? 276
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, there has been a lot of follow-up on that, since I joined the organization. I have met with… I think others are on the call still, but… or on the meeting, but I've met with
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Linda Hopkins and Tracy Lyons, about that. I've also met with Michelle Whitman of the Sonoma County Community Development Commission. I've met with Nolan Sullivan and Hunter Scott at DHS, so we…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Have been exploring possibilities around what… what…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We can retrieve or capture from that $3 million that was committed, knowing that it was committed by a previous director, and not through a legitimate
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, yeah, it's been a bit of a struggle, but we're committed to finishing the project regardless. Thank you.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: So, I guess, are we questions, or were you finished with the presentation, or… I'm sorry, I can't see.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would like to give Robin an opportunity to go over the construction.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Great, hi. So, Robin Stefani, I'm from 8th Wave, and I'm, been participating in the construction portion of the project, and also the compliance with the HCD standard agreement. 287
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, as Lauren said, and is indicated in the report, the construction is, is at about 90%. 288
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And going very well, and is expected to reach a temporary occupancy in the middle to end of October. 289
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: per schedule, so, that's been going really well. There have been a couple of, of large, substantial change orders that relate to the site, but in terms of the… anything out of the ground, that's been very straightforward.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so, I don't want to take up too much of your time, but if you have specific questions about the construction, or the budget, or the timeline, or the HCD standard agreement, I'm happy to answer any of your questions.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Thank you very much, appreciate it. I know our Councilmember Coleman has a question.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, that concludes the presentation. I really want to focus in on resident selection. I also want to be able to get an answer about the good neighbor provision from whoever wants to directly answer that. The first question is about the resident selection.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: evolved, from my perspective, about the resident selection. And staff point out the specific questions to ask, and you can refer to page
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: page 4 of the staff report, if you want to know where I'm going with all these questions.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: essentially.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It says that the city will have some way to participate in resident selection, but it seems very clear… it seems very unclear to me about exactly what that roadmap will look like.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: about how and when we could actually start participating in resident selection. So, whoever wants to address that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't know if you want… Hi, my name's Chris, I'm the CEO for COTS. Nice to see everybody. I will do my best to answer that question. I may ask you to also jump in on some of the coordinated entry questions. From my understanding, so all of the residents coming through will come through coordinated entry. There will be an opportunity when the project is set up for coordinated entry referrals for the provider, St. Vincent de Paul, coordinated 302
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Entry, City of Sebastopol, all the partners to come together to discuss eligibility factors and criteria. 303
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The coordinated entry system is not responsible for setting the criteria, right? That's up to the provider and the owner, and it's really tied to the funding mechanism for the property, so whatever we tell coordinated entry is what coordinated entry will do. I'm sorry if I misspoke, please correct me if I'm wrong. 304
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But it would be at that point, when setting up resident criteria for selection through coordinated entry, that the city would have input.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, because I just really want to be clear. As was announced before, I am rolling off council, and I have a feeling of responsibility to my colleagues, especially being the liaison in many ways to our unsheltered. I really need this broken down, because the timeline seems to now have been extended.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: About when people are really gonna get keys.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to the door. So I really need this to be slowed down.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: and talk about timelines, so that staff is very clear, too, and whoever takes over my position is very clear. So…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: November, January, I don't know, somebody can help me. Basically, where I'm going is, I want this linearly backed up from the date somebody thinks that somebody's gonna get keys. 311
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To when we're going to have city participation, who's invited into these meetings, what information will be able to be shared about the potential residents, and then also, all these people from the community, when do they get
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to hear about who their neighbors are going to be. That is how nitty-gritty and granular I really need to be here tonight.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Totally fair. I will do my best and also rely on the two of you, probably, for construction. So we have to wait for Certificate of Occupancy as the provider to start moving people in.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I will try to be as clear without muddying the waters as I can be. So, our plan, because St.

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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: COTS does have money to operate the project. However, the way that that's gonna be done is by us eliminating some of our existing master leases.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right? And then, so folks that have been living in PSH already for some time, who are already stable, they already have access to clinical services, they already have a relationship with a case manager, they already know what it's like 317
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to live in PSH, and live in their own home, and they're already adjusted to that, those are the folks that are going to be moving in first. So it really depends, like, once construction's done, and we can get people moved.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: for some of those folks, it's gonna be within the first 2 weeks of construction finishing. For some of them, it's gonna take them longer, because we've got people that have disabling conditions. It's gonna take somebody who's in a wheelchair, who's lived in a unit for 15 years, more than 2 weeks to pack their stuff and move. 319
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right, so it might take that person 45 days. We're going to help them with that, but we're not gonna pressure them. And I also want to help all of you understand, and the community know, that it's a lot better for the surrounding community to take your time with Lease Up.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right? When you put somebody in a situation that's brand new to them, all of their neighbors are new, the community is new, they don't know where anything is, they might have to change their healthcare provider, right? They might…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: just be in a community that they're not familiar with. And they have to kind of learn where they are and learn their neighbors.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: giving them time to do that without overwhelming them with 21 people moving in all at the same time is a whole lot better for the community, even if it means that lease up at 90% isn't done until March.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There's a whole lot less disruption to the surrounding community if we move in 2 people, and then 2 people, and then two people. So you're getting a lot of folks in this project who are funded with DHS funding, and HUD Continuum of Care funding. 324
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: supplemented through CalAI Medi-Cal funding that are already established PSH tenants.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right? And then once those units open, right, once we have unit turnover, then we will go through coordinated entry to fill those units, right? So you're getting established tenants that want to live in Sebastopol, they know how PSH operates, they have existing staff relationships, they're very stable. 326
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Those are the first units that are going to be filled, those are the first tenants that you're getting. As we have unit turnover, people will come through coordinated entry. The people who are moving in did go through coordinated entry, but they went through coordinated entry
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 2 years ago, right? As our units became open. So those are the folks moving in first. I want to stop there and take questions, because I don't want to overcomplicate it. No, I appreciate that. So, who's going to be the point of contact? It sounds like because you're in charge of operating funds, because St. Vincent's Paul has no money for operating, then is Mary reaching out to you?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: when people hear things in the community, and they're like, it seems like someone's moving in, but yet we haven't had a community meeting yet. No one knows what's happening, because…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: where I'm coming from is, I do not want to repeat for this community of elderberry.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I want people to be fully knowledgeable. So, is Mary reaching out to you? Are you the new contact for whatever questions we have moving forward? Yeah, good question. I think it would be totally appropriate to engage both Lauren and I right now with any questions about move-ins, supportive services, who's gonna be there when they're moving in.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We're still negotiating a master lease, so we're not, like, signed on the dotted line, but we know each other well, we're working with Mark Krug, he's super helpful, that's where we're gonna end up, so I think it's totally appropriate to do that, and I mean.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: COTS isn't familiar with all of you, we do have operations in Sebastopol already. We've got a PSH property here, and we also do prevention work here. So, happy to engage with you in any way that makes sense for you and for the community. You can reach out anytime. I email really fast.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: We have another Councilmember as a question, so I didn't know if it's okay if we kind of bounce the questions around, balance it out.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Yeah, I… I mean, I'm just taking the information in, but my recollection is we were never promised, because it's confidential information about people who are selected, that we could, like, pick who's going to move into this community. So, I just want to be clear,
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: from my perspective, I didn't feel like that was… like, we're not holding a town hall to decide, like, get feedback on who's accepted into this new community.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I feel like we are trusting our operators, so I just wanted to put that out there again, because I never had that expectation.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I think we all have a different, perspective with that, because I recall the same thing that… hija.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: So, I don't know, maybe we had so many meetings on this, but I, too, heard the same thing that was, that was stated earlier, so… Is there anyone else? It's hard to see. Phil, are you? 341
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Lauren from St. Vincent's Nepal would like to make a real comment before we take the next question. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think, and I hear your… I hear your concern, and as I said, I was, involved with a lot of the concerns happening at Elderberry, of which were valid, and…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think our goal is to help assuage any fears you have or apprehensions. I think there's a lot of excitement about this path forward and the community itself.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I mean, just being… not to be adversarial, but no one… the landlord next door
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to where I live, doesn't ask me my opinion on who moves in.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I guess I'm just curious what a community meeting might entail.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Of… of what you'd want to weigh in on.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Councilmember Carter, or… I can't tell. Do you have your hand up?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I just kind of want to know how the new residents… A, how this is gonna be different, how you're gonna do this differently, but B, like, how the new people that are moving in, which is a hard adjustment, feel like they're a part of this community, you know, so that they, own it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I love that question. We are likewise concerned with that, right? Because our ultimate goal is people need to be in PSH as long as they need to be in PSH. But also, we like for people to stabilize and move into market-rate housing, right? In wherever it is that they want to live, with whoever they want to live with.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: On-site, we'll have a property manager, we'll have a case manager, 7 days a week.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: COTS also employs both associate social workers and licensed clinical social workers that are available for anybody in any of our housing programs. We also have a really experienced behavioral health person that runs our residence… he's our resident services manager, so he oversees any projects that have 354
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Generally speaking, 10 units or more, so we'll have a lot of really experienced on-site people, and like I said, especially with the first tenants who are moving in, they already have really strong, established relationships with their case managers, right? So we're not gonna be… one of the things that's really hard when somebody moves into PSH is not just that they're moving from homelessness into housing, it's also that you have to establish trust. 355
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: with them, right? It's really hard when somebody moves from street homelessness into housing just to get them to open the door and engage with you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Your first tenants aren't going to have that problem.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: They already know us, they already trust us. They are selecting to come here, right? We sent out an interest letter to all of our tenants and said, hey, if this comes to fruition, who is interested in living in Sebastopol? This is all about the project, right? Here's what it is, who wants to go there?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And we had a lot of people say, hey, I would love that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right? I would love to live in Sebastopol, I would love to have my own unit, I want to meet new people, I want to live around people who are like me, who want to engage with me, somewhere that I can have access to a case manager 7 days a week. 360
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So we have on-site programming, we offer AA and NA classes, they have case management as frequently or as infrequently as they want or need it, and they also have access to behavioral health services without having to go to
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: like a local community health provider, or through a county provider. Hopefully that answers your question. I'm happy to provide more information.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, so, thank you, Chris, for breaking it down. So, we're gonna get more stabilized folks. 364
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: than what the county placed at Elderberry, correct? Is that a fair assessment? And when I mean stabilized, I mean people who are already engaged with Case Manager, who have wraparound services. So they're going to be a little bit more, 365
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Used to, like, the coordinated entry system, the selection, compliance with
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: tenant regulations. Is that what I'm getting from you? The first… the first group that are going to be moved in are going to be stabilized, coming from other locations within the county. Is that a fair suggestion? Yes, they are already established tenants with us, so they… they already know us, they know our staff, they know what's expected in housing, and they're already also used to us. We do super frequent inspections in PSH.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We've found that it's really helpful in making sure that people maintain the health and safety of their unit, so they're used to that, too.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So yeah, I think the first tenants moving in, and this will be a first for us, right? We've never done a big transfer of this many people all at once. The first folks moving in will certainly be… I mean, I don't want to say anything bad about somebody moving from street homelessness into housing, but they will be more used to living in housing than somebody coming from chronic street homelessness into permanent housing for the first time. Okay, and then getting to where I think the mayor was
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: referencing. There have been various promises along this trajectory, these many, many years, of having some of our own folk who have fallen on hard times.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: from the river.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: My understanding from Hunter and from Nolan is that they're going to be screened through, like, the by names committee.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that he's setting up in September. 374
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And that's gonna help populate the folks coming through coordinated entry. Is that a fair assessment? Yeah, definitely. First of all, I just wanted to touch base the comment you made just previously. While COTS has not had a big transfer of folks from one property to the other, coordinated entry has facilitated those types of transfers. One just 6 months ago, so we are
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: very well, equipped to assist with that type of transfer. In terms of the West County by Names List, it is fully up to COTS or St. Vincent de Paul to make the eligibility criteria that is allowed
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: for their funding, and part of that can definitely be that folks need to be on the West County By Names list in order to qualify for a referral in the first place. So we wouldn't even reach out to folks who are not on that by names list to ask them if they're interested, if we know that they're not on that list, because we wouldn't ask folks that don't qualify if they want to go to a project. 377
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And is that where us electeds and city staff
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: would be able to sit in on meetings, because I've attended many meetings at the Department of Public Health for us electeds that are trying to sort through these issues. Is that when my replacement would be invited?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to one of the by names lists, at least at the very beginning, to hear about the general overview of who's 380
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: who's being contemplated to go through the screening process, by names list, yada yada. And then at some point, we would be excused, as would law enforcement. They would be excused.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to get into the real confidential information that nobody should have access to, except for the clinicians.

Is that a fair assessment? The names itself are also personally identifiable information, so… so unless you're on the release of information, you would not be able to know who we're talking about. 382
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I guess then, where would we, as elected, where would my next liaison, the next person who takes my position, what expectations would they have?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To be part of this process, or should we just assume no one will have?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the ability to participate in the process. In terms of selecting individual households to move in, that would be incredibly unusual. We don't have any other projects that the jurisdictions they're located within do that, so that would be very unusual. That's fair enough. So I'm just, again, like, trying to get an answer to
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to be able to come back to council meetings and do a report out of, hi, I attended a by names list, and this is what I think would be helpful for the community to know. When… when and how would that happen? Yeah, those by names list meetings, you'd have to talk with Nolan and Hunter about the details of, who gets to go to those, but like you had just envisioned, where police and the city could be there at the beginning of the meeting.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: before they dig into names, that's typically how the other by names list meetings are run across the county.

Okay, so we'll wait for Hunter to come and do his presentation and ask him about by names. Back to the good neighbor policy, because I've heard some trepidation.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: We have, we have another Councilmember. Do you want to give us one more question, and then I just wanted to give another… 390
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So sorry, thank you for doing that.

Councilmember Hinton, go ahead.

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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Yeah, I just… I feel like we're kind of going down the rabbit hole here. I know that… let's just be blunt, this was a 3-2 vote, and, I never and never felt like there was a promise to this council that people applying for
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Housing would ever be vetted by us, elected officials, that are not
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: and should not, in my opinion, be in the room. I do understand, and I felt like there might be, we might have, they knew we wanted a local preference, if that was possible, when they looked at the list of everyone that qualified, but,
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I just… again, we've… we've had a presentation.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: And I just want to call it out a bit that I feel like I don't want to be grilling our partners tonight on some of these issues, and we need to hear from the public as well, I believe. So, anyway, I just… I just need to say that, because…
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: It's, I'm just sitting here listening to this, and I want to definitely have my voice heard as well as an elected official, on our council, not just solely from
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: From a single Councilmember tonight. I really haven't heard from two other people on the dais.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Does anyone else have anything to say? I mean, we're in questions right now, I definitely have some comments, but does anyone have any other questions?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Go ahead, Councilmember Solomon.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, so back to the good neighbor, that is agendized. I understood Agenda Review made that decision to have that come on tonight when all the partners would be in the room. So I would really like to hear
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: what reservations you have about adopting the good neighbor policy, because for the public, I want to make it clear that if we do pass that tonight, it would not bind these folks. 402
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It would not. Ship has already sailed for them, but I would like to understand what they have challenges with, and I'd like to hear that tonight.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Do you want me to do that now, or when it comes up later? I'd like to hear it now, from your perspective.

Could we ask if you will be here for that item?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Are you staying for that item? Because we do really want 7. We can stay, yeah. We'd really like to hear from you. Is that okay with you? Sure. Okay. Yeah, great. That's fine, yeah.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay. Other questions? Anyone?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, because if not, then we're going to go to public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Mayor. So this is public comment. You guys can go ahead and have a seat.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Oh, no.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Lauren, do you have a quick comment before we got to pump on? Yeah, just one more, I think, benefit of COTS operating that will be a difference than what you saw potentially at Elderberry is…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: COTS being the operator of both property management and service provision, so I think
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: while there was a great relationship between West County Community Services and Burbank at Elderberry, that's nothing against either of those entities, sometimes that can cause more tension, and so I think a strength of this 412
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: what will be different, going back to your question, is… is that COTS will be operating both of those components, so I just wanted to point that out as a potential difference as well.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. So this is public comment on the informational presentation on St. Vincent's DePaul and Gravanstein Commons. If you would like to make a public comment, it is a 2-minute time limit. We do chambers first, and then go out to Zoom.

Oliver?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Did I hear correctly that there's a financial shortfall, and therefore St Vincent de Paul is liquidating some of their existing buildings, and then they're moving tenants from those buildings into this new development when it's ready? I wasn't very clear on that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then secondly, is Jack Tibbetts on the call? Did he show up, or…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The Republican cowboy? No. 419
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, yeah, and I greatly appreciate, Councilmember Zolman's questioning, because 420
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the devil's in the details with this. I personally, just as a citizen, would really like to see a very detailed project plan. All this kind of loosey-goosey, you don't really need to know who your neighbors are stuff doesn't fly very well after what happened with Elderbury Commons, and all the police work that had to happen, and so on.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, respect to Councilmember Zolman for asking very pertinent questions. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Oliver. Next, I'll go out to Zoom. Lee, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Nope.
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Lee: Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Can you still see the timer?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Alright, go ahead, please. 428
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Lee: Councilwoman Hinton, or Councilmember Hinton, said we should just trust the operators.
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Lee: going back in the history of this, and I can't even… 430
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Lee: get all this straight in my head, as some of the other people have commented in their questions. I'm pretty sure Paul Tibbis told us there is plenty of money for construction, and not to worry.
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Lee: We heard tonight that there's not quite enough money for construction, they're going with the backup plan, which was to borrow money. That was a backup plan behind
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Lee: grants from the county, money from the actual Homekey grant, donations that they were going to receive. The city's at financial risk here, and if there's not enough money, and they're now into a loan. 433
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Lee: That sort of sounds like the risk meter should be ticking up quite a bit on the part of the city as we look at this.
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Lee: Paul Tibbetts also promised us that we were going to get homeless off the streets of Sebastopol with this project. We were going to be able to designate some people from Sebastopol that are homeless, and get them off the streets. We were going to have a say in the criteria of who was going to go into this, the city could participate in this, and now we're hearing that's really highly unusual, it doesn't really happen. 435
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Lee: I think, I have a question in my mind. We are the sponsor of this. 436
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Lee: together with St. Vincent's de Paul, we have exactly the same standing, so to speak, in this as they do. If they're in meetings, shouldn't we be in the meetings?
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Lee: Lastly, staff at the time recommended against this in large part because we don't have people on staff that know anything about this, and we don't have the capacity to do this with the staff that we have. But the council, three members of the council pushed it forward, and now the city staff is stuck with it.
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Lee: I guess my question would be, now that this is an ongoing thing, that CAS is already offering to work very closely with the city staff, who on city staff are they going to work with? Who has the capacity? Who has the… who has the knowledge to be able to work on this project on behalf of the city, and make sure that this works well? Lastly. 439
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Lee: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I will come back into chambers. If there's anyone on chambers that would like to make a public comment, please come up to the podium. 442
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sorry, I'll come back. 443
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No, that's okay, go ahead. Hi, I'm Kathleen Robiano, I live here in Sebastopol. I've been involved with St.

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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But, I would like to say I am really excited that COTS is willing to be a partner with St. Vincent de Paul because of the experience that they have, and that's what we didn't have when we started the Commons in Santa Rosa.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so, I think, I think the idea of trusting the partners, I… I put a lot of trust in COTS. I've seen their projects down in Petaluma, and I think it's a really good step. I know that…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: As far as Sebastopol homeless folks, there's a man I have gotten to develop a relationship with who is unhoused, and he is here in Sebastopol. He said he has a social worker, he's interested in getting into the new housing.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I am hoping, like some of you, that there are opportunities for the folks in Sebastopol who are expressing an interest to get into the housing.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: My last thing is I'm really pushing for good security and a house manager that really steps up for the needs of the community, even in the middle of the night. So, yeah, thanks you guys for being here.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

I will go out to Zoom. Kyle, can you unmute yourself, please? 450
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Kyle Falbo: I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Can you see the timer? 452
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Kyle Falbo: No, but you can let me know.
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Kyle Falbo: I don't mind doing the research for you, but I would hope that council members would actually come prepared, but maybe people are trying to misrepresent the past.
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Kyle Falbo: So let's return to what the public and council were told when Gravenstine Commons was first approved in May 2023. On May 16th, staff report stated, and I quote.
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Kyle Falbo: The homes will be dedicated to housing the houseless of Sebastopol. This wasn't a vague statement that the project would merely be located in Sebastopol. It describes who the project was intended to serve.
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Kyle Falbo: The report connected Gravenstein Commons directly to the people displaced from Morris Street, and to the city's response to local homelessness. The project has changed substantially. St. Vincent de Paul is no longer expected to operate it. COTS is now involved. There's uncertainty about how residents will be selected. The state agreement requires referrals through coordinated entry, but that does not answer whether the original commitment to Sebastopol's unhoused population 458
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Kyle Falbo: remains in effect, including the later reported commitment of 8 units for former Horizon Shine residents. The publicly available approval documents do not clearly give the city authority to approve individual applicants. They provide oversight of finances, project management, reporting, and regulatory compliance. This is not the same as oversight of the tenant selection policy, so I'm asking the Council to answer these three questions.
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Kyle Falbo: First, does the original promise that these homes would be dedicated to Sebastopol's unhoused population remain operative? 460
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Kyle Falbo: Second, what written agreement binds COTS to that promise, and to the 8-unit commitment?
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Kyle Falbo: Third, will the city require the tenant selection plan, eligibility criteria, and referral process to present… to be presented publicly before lease-up begins? This isn't about choosing individual attendants, it's about ensuring that a project approved on one public understanding is not quietly operated under a materially different one. 462
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Tell you about tension. 463
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Kyle Falbo: Oh, familiar.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I will come back into chambers. If there's anyone in chambers, please.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, COTS. Thank you, Council.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: When we come to the Good Neighbor Policy, I'd really like to know what the opportunities are for tenant involvement.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Because when we talk about the good neighbor policy, I want to know what input the tenants can have. 468
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I appreciate the lessons learned and the mistakes made from the past, but I want to know, going forward, what models can be successful in terms of tenant participation. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I will go back out to Zoom, if there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on this informational presentation from Gravestine Commons.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, public comment is closed on this item.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, thank you. We're back at the dais for, council comments, if anyone wants to go first. Vice Mayor?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, I'd just like to thank St.

Vincent de Paul Director and the Kotz Group.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For your engagement with each other. I'm really excited. I think that the experience is just oozing out of COT, so I'm really, really grateful for that partnership. 475
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for being here to present to us tonight, and bearing with the questions and the concerns of the residents as well. Thank you.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, anyone else?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Am I missing anyone? Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I've not seen anyone in chambers.

Oh, I'm sorry, Councilmember Zolman has his hands up. No, it sounded like I was talking too much, so I was expecting someone else to chime in, so I guess no one else is chiming in.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Oh, I will after you're finished, so go ahead. 480
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, but no, I mean, I was very pleasantly surprised.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: shocked, but pleasantly surprised, that Kotz was selected as the operator. I do have a lot of confidence in Chris, in particular, and Kotz, because Chris is born with me after the whole fallout of Elderberry. Many, many coffees.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: many, many discussions about the fact that these people are vulnerable. I wish that they were all off of our street, or Morse, or one of our own that's fallen on our time, but that was not the representation early on by St. Vincent' de Paul. I'll be very clear about that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: They did make promises, and it's not in accordance with state law, and Hunter's back there, and he's going to talk about the fact that that… none of that made any sense. The fact that you can't promise anything that violates state law. State law requires them to go through coordinated entry, buy names list, all of that. So, I'm really sorry.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Because one operator couldn't get it together, that this community went through the stress that it did. 485
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But now, we do have people that are clear on the state requirements. We have Hunter, now we have Chris, and Chris, I think, will be very accessible. When she says she is, she will be. So Mary, I think, will be able to have confidence that when she gets multiple complaints, or not even complaints, but concerns from residents about what is going on. I saw a moving truck.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I know. Nobody really wants to 487
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: feel, I think, in this community that we want to select people. I think we want to be involved, and 488
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: care for them the best way that we can, respecting their confidentiality rights, right? We want them to be successful, just like the people from Habitat. We want them to feel part of this community, right? But there is that residual concern that we've been
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: placed in situations that have not been great, not been great for the community, and certainly not great for any of us sitting up here, right? So I am thrilled that Chris is taking over, Kotz is taking over, and I do really feel hopeful overall with this project. I think the rest of it, as far as the timeline, I really am hoping that when Hunter comes up, he'll be able to talk about 490
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: When the community meetings will take place, when the by names
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: list will actually start happening, those meetings. So whether it's me or whoever takes my position will know, as an elected official, where are we invited to, what meetings are we invited to, what meetings are we not invited to, so we can explain to the public, we can actually listen and try to implement your concerns.

So, those are my comments, and I am… I'm thrilled.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm actually very relieved. I mean, when I read this, this was the first time I heard they were taking over.

So, which is…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: weird in and of itself, but nonetheless, I am delighted, so I'll leave it at that.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Anyone else? Before I… okay, I have some comments to make, just regarding some other comments that were made earlier. So, you know, this has been a long process. It was a divided council on this, and we did have
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Mayor Jill McLewis: We have had a bad experience with what happened at Elderberry Commons, and when you speak about, well, you know, neighbors, Elderberry Commons is my neighbor, right in the same parking lot. So I have had
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Mayor Jill McLewis: front row seat to what has gone on there, and when you ask about, like, what… talking about, like, well, why are we worried about people lying around? That's because a woman has laid in the parking lot and in the sidewalk.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: on fentanyl for days on end, and the people who manage that property said it's not their problem. We should not treat humans like that. Everyone else was calling and trying to take care of it, but the people who were running that site were not taking care of those people, and that is not how we should treat people. So all of these questions that are coming are not unfounded. It's because of concern, because of the experience that we've had. It's not because we're trying to be adversarial or anything
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Mayor Jill McLewis: It's just based on the experience that we had. And not everyone in this room has been
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Mayor Jill McLewis: you know, part of all of this, and we receive a lot of communication. I personally have spent a great deal of time 500
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Mayor Jill McLewis: dealing with the elderberry Common issues, so I think all of these are founded, and I know that we're divided, and we have some of us who have great questions, a great amount of questions, and I think we all just deserve to have that voice, because we don't all agree on this, and while, you know, while the decision was made, we all still live in this community.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: And we're elected to ask these questions, and… and… 502
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Mayor Jill McLewis: to try to protect the people in this community and make certain that, you know, the people that you're bringing there are going to be taken care of, because that's not what's been happening at Elderberry Commons all the time, and so I just wanted to say that that's where this is coming from, is people do need to be treated appropriately, and I don't know, I'm just going to say I don't have any experience with COTS, so for me, it's trust but verify, so for, you know, for the future. 503
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I look forward to hearing the reports about how this is going. I do not live in that parking lot there like I do with the other piece, and I also just wanted to mention that a few meetings ago, we had a report from the police chief that, again, Outerberry Commons, 1% of our population is utilizing 25% of our police force time. So, it's a very real concern for our community, and we have a very small budget. 504
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Mayor Jill McLewis: And we're very, you know, we're constantly tight with that. We've had a…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: you know, a fiscal emergency, so I just wanted to say that all of this is coming from a place of, we were… we are all elected to ask these questions, so, thank you all for doing the presentation. 506
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Is there anyone else?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I don't see anyone else from my screen, so Mary have… 508
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No, there is no one else on Council, so this would conclude the presentation from St. Vincent's DePaul and Cotts, and Robin.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And we can go on to our next item. 510
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Perfect, sorry, it's just a little… I can't see everything, it's a little blurry on the screen, so…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: All right, so we will move on to item number 9, which is our public hearings. We're going to go consideration of approval of the Good Neighbor Policy, guidelines designed to balance development, business operations, and social services with the quality of life in surrounding residential areas. They address, nuisances like noise, trash, and traffic, often requiring businesses or service providers to implement 512
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Mayor Jill McLewis: security con- contact lines and community engagement to foster accountability and reduce conflict. The proposed county standards are due to be approved after one more review. 513
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Mayor Jill McLewis: And I think, who is doing this? It's our city attorney, and are you…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, Mayor, it's… 515
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, I'm sorry, I can't see you, so… 516
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No problem. Good evening, Council.

So, as the Mayor mentioned before you, tonight is an ordinance to 517
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: establish a good neighbor policy for… for new and future city-sponsored housing facilities. 518
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: and we'll talk about what that means in a little bit, but essentially, the Good Neighbor Policy establishes rules
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: for projects and interactions with the surrounding community. This was a request initially from Councilmember Zolman. He was aware of similar policies that other entities, specifically Catholic charities, had used in Santa Rosa. 520
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And when this first came up, the initial idea was that we would just copy what they
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: had in Santa Rosa, but then we became aware that
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the County Homeless Coalition was working on broader.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: standards for permanent supportive housing facilities, and so we paused that to see what they would, be coming up with. They, they have draft
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: policies that are… have been prepared, I will say those are much broader, and cover much more issues than just
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: sort of good neighbors that are also dealing with, sort of, the whole operation of a permanent supportive housing facility. This is really just focused on
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the interaction with the outside community. You've… you've heard, tonight in other items about, you know, how do we deal with internally with residents and hearing their complaints, you know, residents or tenants at the facility. This policy doesn't deal with that. This is just about
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: expectations for internal… excuse me, external, sort of, operations and communications, so… 528
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It applies to new city-sponsored housing projects. So a project is city-sponsored if
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we are a co-applicant for something like we are at, like we were, rather, with Gravenstine Commons, you know, we would require that they agree to this as a condition of us being a coapplicant. 530
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Similarly, if ever in the future we decide to provide financial assistance to a project.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, we would require them as a condition of
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Except that, you know, taking our funding, agreeing to these, policies. And there may be some other, situations where we can impose it, like if there's, an… 533
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, a request for a zoning change or something to allow that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But otherwise, we don't have 535
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The ability to impose these requirements on projects, or at least the full range of projects. 536
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That's outside the scope of our land use authority, which, among other things, requires us to treat these projects the same as permanent supportive housing projects, the same as any multifamily residential project.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So we can't impose… Additional standards on that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And we… we can't require much of what we're requiring here for just a run-of-the-mill multifamily housing project. There are some things in here that we could probably require any project to do, you know.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: post a point of contact, you know, on-site. We could probably require multifamily housing to do that as well, but this has other requirements in it as well, so… 540
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It requires some community meetings during the development stage and during lease-up activities. It requires… 541
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Res… excuse me, the housing providers to,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, have a, you know, rules that they require tenants to sign that, you know, that's very common regardless of whether it's in their ordinance or not, and to do an orientation about those rules with tenants. But the more detailed requirements, come later and about the operation.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Neighborhood patrols, so, you know, having them patrol the neighbor.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: HUD to…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, find residents that may be, you know, obstructing sidewalks or, you know, engaging in behavior that's problematic, and encouraging them to stop or to come back to the facility.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, you know, making sure the patrols also a responsibility for making sure the project 547
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Site in its immediate vicinity are kept clean.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then there's also some requirements about community engagement, maintaining a contact phone number and email that's available to the public.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Acknowledging when complaints are received, providing a, you know, sort of documentation. 550
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And record keeping about how complaints are handled, if they were able to be addressed or not, and making that available to the public.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then make it, you know, excuse me, not available to the public, available to the city upon, request.

These standards are a mix of what
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Catholic Charities, it's a little bit of what Catholic Charities has for their rules in Santa Rosa. Those were pretty general, and so in looking for, you know, more specific standards, San Francisco has recently
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: put forward similar good neighbor policies for some of its projects that will receive funding from the city, and in that case, it's mostly shelters, not permanent supportive housing facilities, but we use that as a basis. But this is really up to the Council of what they want to
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: include things, of course, I know I've heard from at least one Councilmember about, you know, some changes they'd like to make, and that's entirely
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Up to the Council. 556
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So with that, I'll pause for any questions, the Council may have.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Go ahead, Councilmember Zolman.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, but first, Alex, thanks for doing this, thanks for putting the staff report, thanks for referencing, where this idea came from, from Catholic Charities, because when everything happened with Elderberg Commons, it was the Executive Director of Elder, of,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Catholic Charities through one of the elected's meetings to just say, you know, sorry that that all happened, but moving forward, you could do X. So I just want to give a shout out to her for at least
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: having something that we could model after. I think incorporating things from other municipalities, San Francisco was a good thing. You referenced the county's effort as a result of our challenges with elderberry.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: coordinated entry requested that there be a provider meeting to develop permanent supportive housing standards, and I've been attending them every month, as has Robin, who is our consultant, and
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Today was the final meeting, and Robin attended, and she can correct me if I'm wrong, but there were no further additional comments.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: like, it's done, and now it's gonna go through coordinated entry, and then it'll go to the coalition, the Housing Coalition Board, and…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that's where things are, so I just wanted to inform the public that moving forward, there are now going to be county guidelines about how things are
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To move forward for anybody thinking about doing permanent supportive housing,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: in the city, in the county. But if we're going to get into questions now, I want to get back to the good neighbor, because Robin Did… was part of that meeting today, and she took a lot of time and effort to review all of the 25 pages. 567
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And now I have concerns that it appeared that the representative from St. Vincent's de Paul, when she spoke earlier, has concerns about the good neighbor. So I want to hear directly from
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: both of them, about where we are with St. Vincent Paul's feeling about this, because even though we can't bind you to it, I would like to know what your concerns are, because the public, I think, has a right to rely on, you passed a good neighbor policy tonight, if we do.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Why is that operation not moving in accordance with
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: what you passed. So I'm going to leave it over to whoever wants to answer that.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Well, Alex, how do we do this with proper… 572
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, so you can have them come up to answer that question, if you like, Mayor, outside of public comment. 573
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, that's what I was wondering. And I know, Vice Mayor has a question, too, so I don't know if that's related. 574
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, go ahead.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So which community stakeholders have weighed in on this good neighbor policy in terms of the preparation of it? Have any stakeholders weighed in on it? None. Seeing none, okay.

The second question is, if there are county guidelines that are being developed, why do we need this?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: so the… that is why we waited to see the counting guidelines. The counting guidelines are not… 577
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: this detailed. They are much broader,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: and are, I don't want to say vague, but… so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: if you look in our Good Neighbor policy, the…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: language about development stage and, you know, community engagement prior to lease-up activities, those first two sections. That's very similar to what
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: is in the… the county guidelines, where you'll notice it's a little vaguer talking… I don't want to say in platitudes, there's real things in there, but sort of the expectation of you will patrol 3 times a day, like, very specific
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Things are not in those guidelines. 583
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so that's why we put 584
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: this together, based on the prior direction from Council. I have one more question.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And this was sent to me by a resident that,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that the details in the Good Neighbor Policy, are…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: kind of looks like heightened surveillance of a particular class of residents, and I'm wondering what your… what do you say to that?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I wouldn't say it's a surveillance of the residents at all. I think it's expectations for the 589
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Housing providers about… about how they will operate with regards to the…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: community. There's nothing in here that… about them having to track where, you know, What? 591
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: residents are doing 24-7. It's about, sort of, expectations
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: If the city decides to move forward, expectations about how
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, operators will, you know, engage with the broader community, especially in the immediate vicinity. 594
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Are there anyone else's questions? I… Steve… Councilmember Zolman, you had questions from St. Vincent de Paul, is that who you said?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, whoever wants to respond, because again, my feeling was, maybe I misinterpreted. When I brought up the good neighbor policy from, I think, the new executive, St. Vincent de Paul, my sense was there were objections, and if there are objections to what it is that we may or may not pass, I'd like to hear them. I think the public would also like to hear them, so please.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I mean, I didn't comb through this with a fine-tooth comb, but I understand the intent of it, and I just don't feel like it's my place since we're not going to be operating the site to respond to it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I… I mean, I think most of what is outlined is reasonable. I think what stood out to me is if we were property managing the site, it might be… there's a couple points that stand out to me as…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, asking a bit much of the provider, but I'll let Kotz and Chris respond. Before you move on, can you…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Specify what those things are. 601
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think just around, you know, monitoring the multiple prem…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: walking the… walking the property and the rounds that were outlined in there, I think the specification of, like, daytime and night feet, yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I think there were… it called out specific quantities twice a day.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Daytime and nighttime. 605
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I mean, the property itself, but not, like, the surrounding neighborhood just seems a bit excessive. 606
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hello!
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Me again.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: attorney by training, so everything seems vague to me. So I'll give you a couple of points that I'm like, I'm not sure… either I'm not sure what that means, or no, that's too much.

And I, like Lauren, I totally understand the intent of this policy. I share some of the same concerns,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: with Councilmember Morr, that this does seem relatively targeted, right, to PSH developments. I understand that
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that's… maybe it's not spelled out as the intent, but that's the intent, and it's… it's different from what you might see in San Francisco as applied to a shelter, right? Because it's… it's really easy, frankly, to exit somebody from a shelter for bad behavior. They don't have tenant rights. It's much more difficult to evict somebody from permanent housing, so I do want to make that distinction.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's also a lot more damaging to someone.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Like, their livelihood and their ability to remain safely housed long-term, to actually evict them. And a lot of this would be resolved. You wouldn't need something like this if… 613
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: there were stronger partnerships between providers and cities and counties, and the providers were better funded to do this work, right? The work itself is very, very challenging.

A lot of the language in here, like, under residence and rules and expectations, that's just standard stuff that's in a lease. 614
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right? I mean, so it's… I don't have any issue with that being in here. I do think patrolling a surrounding neighborhood, while I understand the intent, there's not enough funding in projects to do that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 24-7 security.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: is, you know, security's $45, $55 an hour. There's no funding in projects for security to run 24-7. It just doesn't exist.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Super easy to have security fill in, super easy to have a property manager do perimeter checks, no problem at all. But surrounding community and what does that mean? I don't know.

I don't know if that means a block, 6 blocks, a mile? That makes a big difference.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I would say 300 feet of the site frontage, removing litter and debris.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Maybe? You know, with this project specifically, I mean, it's right next door to a liquor store. Not every piece of debris that comes from an area like that is going to be from residents that live at this site, so I wouldn't necessarily want to be responsible for cleaning up trash that belongs to another business that was generated by another business.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think it's… it's a little odd to have something in here that the city would direct a provider to enhance perimeter staffing. This… this project itself is pretty small, so if the city just called me and said, hey, can you up perimeter 621
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: visibility for a couple days, that would be really easy. If you get into super big projects, which Sebastopol probably won't, you're a small city, but that could be challenging down the road.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I would request that anytime you say 24 hours, 72 hours, 48 hours, that you say business hours, because sometimes we have 3-day holiday weekends.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Those were kind of my notes on that, but again, like, a lot of this would be…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Resolved with a strong provider that actually Does good property management.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Evicts people when they need to be evicted, keeps the property clean, stays in good contact with the city.

You know, I don't want homelessness to become an adversarial political issue. We're just talking about vulnerable people, and making sure that they have somewhere to live.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, that's safe, so… 627
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Go ahead, Councilmember Carter, and then I have a question for you, Alex.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, that… I mean, you're getting to something that I was thinking about, like, if… if…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: If this policy is unnecessary and superfluous to what you're already doing.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We just need the guarantees that some of these things are happening, that somebody's gonna keep the watch out, somebody's gonna walk around, make sure the place is clean, this and that. You're a good neighbor.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And you seem like a very good operator, and what kind of, like.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Things does the city have to know that you're going to be doing these
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, that's a great question. We… we want to be a good neighbor, right? It doesn't… it's not beneficial to anybody for us to be a bad neighbor, especially the tenants who are living there, right? We want to be a good neighbor to the city, to our actual neighbors, to the businesses. We just want it to be… we want it to be hunky-dory for everybody, right? So, we do have on-site staff all the time. We are accessible and available.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, pretty much any provider that's used to working with me, there's several in this room, they know that if they call me at 2 o'clock in the morning, I might not answer the first time you call, but if you call right back, I'm gonna answer, right? I am…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: somebody who has dedicated my career and my life to helping people that are in this situation, and I also understand and acknowledge that
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: providers like COTS are not just here to serve people that come to us for help.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We are also here to serve the community more broadly, right? Communities are better when fewer people are experiencing homelessness. They are better when people have places to live, and we want to make that a good experience. So, what I can promise to the city is that COTS is super responsive, and there's gonna be issues that come up.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right? There always… there's gonna be things that come up, and my promise to you is that we will work alongside you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: in a…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: really quickly to resolve and address those issues in the best way that we can, right? We want to be… we want to have a good, friendly partnership with you, and I want it to be something where you're like, ugh!
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: this was terrible. We don't like cots, right? We don't want that for anybody. So, that I can promise to you. I certainly can't promise you that, like, you're never gonna see a piece of trash on the sidewalk.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Or that we're never gonna have a tenant that causes problems. I think that's true for any multifamily, multi-unit property. You're gonna have tenants sometimes that… 643
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Are difficult, but we will do our absolute best to make it a good experience for everybody. 644
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, thank you.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Go ahead, Councilmember Zolman.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, so a question to Alex. So, could we just postpone this? What would we need to do to postpone this? Because, I would like to give cuts with what I understand, and their track record, and my developed relationship with Chris. 647
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: a go at this without feeling like they're being unnecessarily restrained. But also, I hear the mayor, the fact that it's just like, some don't know you, and it's trust but verify.

So could we just not continue this until… when is the open date again? January? Now what are we talking about?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: What? November. November. So could we not just calendar this until, I don't know, whenever my colleagues would like to re-calendar it? Absolutely, it's up to the discretion of the Council, and if you wanna, you know, you could table item, or you could just continue it to a specific date in the future. 649
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay. Alright, thank you. 650
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Mayor Jill McLewis: All right, thank you very much. Thank you all for answering those questions. Any other questions here?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I have one. I mean, as we're talking about this good neighbor policy, and as one of the council members who sat in the room with the folks who were running Elderberry Commons.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: and listening to them tell us that, you know, we don't need security, we don't need this, we don't need that, but at the same time, hearing that 25% of our police time has been spent at Elderberry Commons, and it was much higher than that when it first opened, they told us that every permanent supportive housing 653
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Mayor Jill McLewis: project has a real increase in police needed activity. In the first 6 months. They told us that. All the folks who run that and all the people that were involved with that, I sat there and listened to them.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: And so, I just want to know, you know, if we're not doing… whatever we're doing, I just want to make sure that we're not back at City Hall listening to the same story again, and then we're having to answer to our constituents about why, you know, the police are so busy they can't respond to other places because so much time is being spent at another
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Mayor Jill McLewis: facility that said they didn't need any security or anything like that. And I understand everyone has good intentions, but at the end of the day, the facts are the facts, and we've gone through this over the last few years, so again.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I would like to trust, but I also need to verify, because I've spent a great deal of time dealing with this over the last few years, and…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: you know, there we are. So, that's… that's what I'm… I don't know, Councilmember Zolman, you're the one that brought this forth. Everybody else, I think we're due to go to public comment, is that right?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, I was just gonna jump in and let you know we needed to go to public comment.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, this…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. You guys can go ahead and sit down. Thank you. So this is for public comment on the Good Neighbor Policy proposed. If you would like to make a public comment, again, it is a two-minute public comment. We go to chambers first, and then go out to Zoom if there's anyone. Oliver?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I just want to say that we've had, you know, pretty slick presentations like that before from the now Oregon Republican, Jack Tibbetts, who's stood here very confidently. 663
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: telling everybody how great it was all going to be, smooths, you know, all the rest of it. But the cast of characters change all the time, so I have a lot of confidence in what's been discussed today with these people, but who knows if they'll be here tomorrow.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'll all still be here. They may not be, so that's my first point.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I guess, you know, my other more general point is.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: this has worked pretty well in San Francisco. They've had to really tighten up the good neighbor policy with all the different departments. Obviously, San Francisco's a big, complicated city.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But, Sebastopol's tiny, and we should be able to execute this really well. This is very consistent with the way, given, you know, the opioid epidemic and so on, very consistent with the way cities have been handling these kind of civic problems, I guess you could call it. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I'll go out to Zoom. Lee, can you unmute yourself, please? 669
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Lee: Yep.
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Lee: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Can you still see the timer? 672
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Lee: I can't.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Greg, go ahead, please. 674
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Lee: Yeah, I was struck by a comment made by one of the speakers about, 675
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Lee: That there's no money for security patrols, and security, and 24-7 security.
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Lee: And I hope that these folks will understand this. I think a lot of people think that a city like Sebastopol is just loaded with bucks. We've got policemen crawling out of the woodwork, and if we need a few more police calls at
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Lee: St. Vincent, or at Sebastopol, or whatever this Commons is, if I haven't seen Commons. It's not a problem. It is a problem, though. 25% of our police calls are now going to one place. If it doubles, and we have 50% of our police calls going here, we either have to hire a couple more policemen, which is very expensive.
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Lee: Or, we have to stop patrolling, we have to stop dealing with problems with the high school students. I mean.
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Lee: resources have to be shifted away from things that are important now to dealing with this, and that's one of the reasons that some of us are really upset about this. And I just hope that the speakers can understand this. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I'll come into chambers. If there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment on this item, please.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Me again, I'll make one more comment. I know I was here before, and tenants at one other, 682
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Housing Unit had said it was really important to them to have some kind of security.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I understand the funding issues with security. I think also, with Kot's experience, I'm hoping that a really good property manager will be hired. Someone who's traumainformed. 684
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Someone who's willing to go out at 2 in the morning and deal with issues that come up, and somebody that's willing to get the fentanyl off the property if it shows up, because one of our sites, that's not happening right now.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And a lot of the tenants are really concerned about that. So I… I, again, want to support you, and encourage you, and thank you for taking this on. Yeah, thanks.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I'll go out to Zoom. Rob, can you unmute yourself, please? 687
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Rob: Hi, yeah. I just had kind of two questions about this. 688
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Rob: One is, how are we… how is this program being a good neighbor to the liquor store that's next door? I think it's kind of funny that there's a liquor store nearby.
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Rob: all of these places, and I'm sure they get increased foot traffic, and it's a problem that they have to… maybe they have to deal with, so I'm wondering, how do we
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Rob: you know, they're the ones who are going to have to say no if they don't think someone should have it. How do we support them in doing that? And then the other one is just about the foot… no, sorry, not the foot traffic, but the,
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Rob: the increased patrols. I keep hearing about a, like, a citizen's… 692
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Rob: police something or another. Not officers, but some kind of citizens training. And, you know, it keeps getting shelved for a lot of reasons, but would that be applicable for something like this?
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Rob: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on this item, to please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, there is no further public comment, Mayor.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Thank you. Pardon me, thank you very much. We're back at the dais.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: If anyone wants to… oh, Vice Mayor Maurer? 699
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, I want to thank Councilmember Zolman for suggesting that we postpone this issue. I agree with that. I'm good with tabling it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I think that if we want St.

Vincent de Paul to actually sign on and not have it just be a policy that nobody's signed on to, we should ask them to make edits and work with them.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And they could work with COTS to make edits that make sense, because it… we want their… we want their buyin to it if we're going to pass it. So I'm… my hope is in the meantime, between now and whenever we bring it back, that we could have that collaboration.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Well, thank you, Vice Mayor, and yeah, if that's a motion, I'll second it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Can I just clarify? I heard two different things. Do you… would you like it to come back at a future date? I think that Councilmember Zolman had mentioned November or January, or do you want to table it?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: no, bring it back, but meanwhile, collaborate with St. Vincent de Paul and Kotz on the language, and make sure that if, you know, that they're willing to… whatever it is, they're willing to sign on to it.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Is that directing city staff to do that, or our liaison, who is Councilmember Zolman, and staff, or… I just wanted to clarify so we all are on the same page.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we could just pick a date, and then that way we all know what we're striving towards, and hopefully, yes, our two partners, St. Francis Paul and Kotz, can start looking at the language and suggesting language to our city attorney for when we bring it back. So, I…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Turned over to Mary, it's just like you…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: do a gender review with the agenda Review people. What date do you think would be good, or do you just want to just…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, I actually would like a rough date, December, January, something, I'll defer to you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: so I'm… now I'm hearing two days.

We heard November, and then I'm now hearing January, February timeframe.

So…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: January? January, yeah. That'll give everybody a couple months to see what the looks like. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Okay, I'm seeing thumbs up in the audience, so January then. 712
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, thank you. So, so moved by Vice Mayor Maurer.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: By the way, Councilmember Hinton has a hand up. 714
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm sorry.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I was just gonna make comment. I mean, I, 716
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I'm probably not going to be supporting this tonight to come back. I'm just not sure at this point.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: it's necessary, and so, I just wanted to make that comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Carter has his hand up as well.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I'm leaning that way a little bit, too. I kind of feel like it's better just to table it, and then when the problem re-emerges, if…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: We have a motion on the table, so can we… I mean, because I'm in support, so… of bringing it back, so if we're going to all weigh in here before we actually take a vote.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So because there's two… two, council members who are not in support of moving this forward and are willing to table it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would be… I'm gonna withdraw my motion.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, then I'll go ahead and make the motion, and we'll see where it goes. To bring it back in January, and for our two providers, partner providers, to review it, suggest comments, and bring it back in a date in January, either the first or second meeting in January. So that's the motion.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I'll suck him.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. So moved by Councilmember Zolman and seconded by Mayor McLewis to continue this item to either the first or third meeting in January 2027, allowing our partner providers to review and provide edits to the City. 727
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Carter? No. 728
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Hinton? 729
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: No.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? Yes. 731
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Vice Mayor Maurer? No. Mayor McLewis?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Mayor… I'm sorry, the motion fails, with Councilmember Zolman and Mayor McLewis in support, and Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, and Vice Mayor Maurer in opposition. 734
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: We'll go on, pardon me, to item number 10. 736
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Actually, Carter has his hand up.

Yeah, I'm just curious, does that automatically table the item, or what happens? Unless there's a further motion tonight, the item is… It's dead.

Oh, okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, someone could make a motion to table it and bring it back at a later date if necessary. 738
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Mayor Jill McLewis: No, no, I mean, that was what just… go ahead, Alex, if you want to…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, so that was the motion to bring it back in the future. You can always, in the future, have a future agenda item to bring this back if circumstances change. 740
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I just want to clarify why I withdrew my motion, and that is because there were two members that were not in support, and because I know that it would take staff time, and the cott's time, and St. Vincent de Paul's time to do all that work. 741
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And that's why I withdrew my motion.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Alright.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: So, item number 10, presentation from heart and soul. 744
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Solving Obstacles for Unsheltered Lives and West County Community Services on services provided for homeless services and consideration of contracts for homeless outreach services. The memorandum MOU of Understanding with Heart…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: With heart expires September 16th, 2026, and the contract with WCCS expired June 30th, 2026. The item tonight is to consider agreement with the following.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: A, draft a contract with Soul.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: This item…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: This item will be returned to a future City Council meeting for approval. Draft MOU will be attached… is attached to the agenda. HART will continue to perform services until such time that the contract is returned for formal approval and or adoption, tentatively September 15th.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: B, approval of resolution, contract with WCCS, or C, other direction to staff? And I'm going to turn this over to our police chief. Is he in the room?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: He is.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Perfect.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I am.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I think you pretty much summed it up, Mayor McLewis, that we've got a presentation tonight from both Sonoma County Department of Health Services and West County Community Services regarding the Homeless Outreach services, so I'll turn it over to Hunter to kick it off.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No? I'm telling you Abby Christie from West County Community Services.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Do we have the PowerPoint slides? 756
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is that something we're gonna share?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: May I ask a question? Do we have multiple presentations here, Chief?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: How are we?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: one from West County Community Services, and then one from…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sonoma County Department of Health Services.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, I just want to make sure, since you switched around.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Did you submit the slides? I know we have the presentation in the report.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the… the presentation is in the report itself. Think of the combined… Presentation, is that right? Yeah. 764
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's fine if we don't. Okay. 765
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we were just… we were going to share just the history of the services in Sebastopol over the past 5 years, and how the services with West County Community Services to provide outreach in Sebastopol really arose from a need that the community had.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: On the Joe Road at the trail, and then also the
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the parking on Morris Street and in the neighborhoods of Sebastopol, and the city was looking for a response, and contracted for a full-time outreach person in the first year with us.

And then in the four years following,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We continued to provide services, although the shift of focus changed as the community needs changed. And 769
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Funding was reduced to part-time, and we applied for additional funding to continue full-time support here. 770
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Our contract did end at the end of June. The second slide was looking at… oh, there we are! 771
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Looking at the data points over the 5 years,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And the first highlight of the data, because the services, the focus shifted based on the needs, you know, we really were capturing unique individuals that we were 773
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: connecting with, but the data changed. What we were reporting changed as our services changed. 774
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so that was something I just wanted to call attention to in that slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the bigger point that I need to address and, take, you know, acknowledge is the… the 2526 reporting, and… 776
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Really just acknowledge, what happened in our reporting last year.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In spring, I was looking at the report, and the… we were reporting on how many individuals were active in coordinated entry each month.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And the year-to-date total really caught my attention, because it was pretty big. And, and so I started 779
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: looking into it, and it was really a result of two things. A formula error in my spreadsheet, that we weren't going to report on the year-to-date totals, because people are enrolled in coordinated entry, they maintain status, and some people are exited, and so really the monthly count is
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the number we're reporting, there isn't a year to date of active people.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And the second factor was that our staff had been over-reporting. And so I was having reports pulled. 782
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I was really looking deeply into that to correct that error. I contacted the city, I resubmitted reports,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And… And then, you know, there's a… there was one other data point that… that had some question. 784
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I was asking questions myself to get down to the bottom of things, and it was for the people that moved into permanent supportive housing. Unfortunately, the staff that 785
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we had, unfortunately, because I can't get answers from them anymore. What I did discover is that our outreach was using the county tracking system, the HMIS, but also 786
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Keeping their own… 787
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: informal log of contacts they were making, services they were providing that weren't being recognized in HMIS. And…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I heard Jill say earlier, Trust, but verify.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: and the verification wasn't happening with the direct supervision. And so,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: really, at this point, I provided the numbers for 25-26, because those were the numbers that were reported, and I wanted to address it tonight. And some of the numbers, I… I don't have the answer to.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And to be equally fair, unfortunately… I mean, that's really disappointing for me. 792
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we know the services were being provided, and they weren't reported correctly. I don't think that it was intentional misrepresentation. I think that there was…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: a lack of oversight, and, a lack of understanding of what the numbers meant, like, what we were trying to capture in this report. And I only take responsibility that, 794
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It is our responsibility to tighten up the compliance of reporting, to have the oversight, and to have clear definitions of what they're counting and why they're counting it. 795
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So I, I just… I have to take responsibility and ownership of this, and unfortunately, I… I just… 796
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: don't have the… The accurate number for how many people did move into permanent supportive housing. 797
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The last slide… such a… 798
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: jarring transition. That is an actual success story, of… of a couple that… that we did provide service, and I think the success story really just…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: highlights the long game of outreach, that it really takes time to build relationships, to help them start getting engaged with receiving services, to get the documents ready, to help them be prepared to move into housing. And for this, couple, it took a couple years, and they are… now have
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Moved into George's place that is opened in Guernville, just… last month.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I'm not sure how the structure is. If you want me to stay here for questions for this part, move to Hunter, and then come back to questions? I think we want to go to Hunter, so, to do his presentation, and then we can come back to questions from the Council.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, Al. Hunter Scott, you recently knew me from…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: When I worked for Home First, coordinate entry, have our partners here. I now work for Department of Health Services. I'm the Deputy Director for Homelessness Services. So, good to be here in this new capacity. Recognizing that these presentations are intended to be 10 minutes, I'm gonna speed through this,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But there'll be time for questions, obviously, so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So about, in December of, last year, we started a really wonderful new, outreach pilot with the City of Sebastopol and the Police Department, with the goal of meeting people where they are, pairing outreach with law enforcement response, and more accurately, to really replace outreach with law enforcement response, where that's appropriate.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And create pathways to services with a goal of increasing coordination around homelessness and helping people move from contact to meaningful service. Next slide. 807
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So some of the data that we've achieved to date, and we have a really wonderful staff named Julian, who has taken this role on in the city. He's engaged 67 people, 30 of those are active and coordinated entry, he's made 12 shelter placements, and moved 3 folks into housing. It does take time to build a relationship with folks, and so we expect those numbers to increase, 808
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: per time period, if that makes sense, as this project goes on. Next slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Can I ask you a quick question? Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 67 people engaged. Is that within the Sebastopol city limits, or is that outside of Sebastopol? Sebastopol.

Well, he's probably going a little bit outside of, you know, he's not doing the entire Joe Rhonda Trail, but he's probably going a little bit down the trail, just to… because people do move in and out, but his focus has been Sebastopol.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Those are 67 different people.

Correct.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, one of the, I think, big learnings after…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 6, 8, whatever we are at, eight months of doing this, is, is that we have a partner organization that you all are funding, and we really need to engage closer together, to make sure that we are not duplicating services, but also enhancing each other's services. And so, we are engaging in our own MOU to guide cooperation across, West County. We also fund WCCS to do outreach 814
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: services in Guerneville and River area. And so this is an MOU beyond just Sebastopol. It'll really guide all of our interactions. And that's going to do things like having our staff check in every morning to coordinate the day, and then doing cooutreach together in instances of safety risk. 815
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The next two pieces, I'm going to skip ahead, because I'm going to get into that for the rest of the presentation, so next slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We were referencing earlier that the Homeless Coalition has permit supportive housing operational standards that have recently been completed. This is a different version of that for street outreach. So, a couple years ago, the same group came together and put together some policies and procedures for how street outreach for homelessness should look across the county. And that really built the foundation of where we're trying to go now for our next step. 817
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: into… in… in Sebastopol. Next slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, what is the sub-regional structure? And that's really where we're going with this, is the whole county, as part of those standards, was split into six sub-regions, and I'll show you in a map in a second. Each subregion has a manager that's managing the day-to-day activities of homeless services in that subregion. 02:00:54.320 --> 02:01:03.100
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We have a shared coordination tool that's used across the county called a by names list, and then this is coordinated, again, on a countywide level. Next slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This is a map of the sub-regions.

There's a very long history for why we came up with these exact lines, and I'm not going to get into that now, but Sebastopol, as you can see, sits in the west county, kind of the edge of that green, or on the screen, yellow area. Next slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This is kind of an org chart describing how this countywide structure looks. You've got, in each subregion, a manager who's managing, again, the day-to-day activities. Their role is to work with the street outreach, shelters, and then other partners. So, for example, law enforcement, or environmental groups, or churches that are working with homelessness in their region. And then all of this, again, is organized on a county-wide level by my team. 822
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Next slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So I've used the name-by-names list quite a bit, so just to describe what it is, it's a list of everyone experiencing homelessness in a given region. It's updated as close to live as possible. Data comes from every source possible, and includes people who… and it does include people who are not engaging in services.

So it's not just those that are…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: formally enrolled, if that were.

And then it's used to coordinate services between multiple partners. Next slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So this is what it looks like. I mean, it's just a… it's a… it's an Excel sheet, you know, so something fancy on its own, but you can see that in this example, every single person has a housing plan. That's the goal, is to get to a place where every single person experiencing homelessness in a region, we know what the plan is for them, and then we're tracking action steps to move them along that plan. Next slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This is an example of, you were talking about the beginning of the meeting, so this is what we would probably do in the beginnings of the meetings.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Which is to go over hotspots or encampments or areas of concern, and we can do that without going through specific names. We'd have law enforcement there, we'd often have electeds there, it's really up to the community and what makes sense. And we would track, again, actions for those specific hotspots and areas, to make sure that we're deploying outreach appropriately. Next slide. 828
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This is an example of what data can come from this process, and I want to give kudos to Home First, who I used to work for, but,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: they do this in Sonoma Valley and South County, and so, so some of this data comes from them. But, you can see that what it really allows us to do is get to the point where we can say, in this moment, this is exactly the type of housing we would need to invest in in this area if we wanted to end homelessness today. 830
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So that's an incredibly powerful tool when it comes to directing and future investments. Next slide. 831
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And you can see in South County, what we saw over a long period of time of doing this kind of collaboration is a massive increase in housing exits, as we were just getting better at working together. This also came with investments in housing, but a lot of it was really just truly the coordination. Next slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So I wanted to end with some really clear direction for you all. I think there's been some confusion on who do you call when, you know, for what issue when it comes to homeless services, so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In Sebastopol, and this is true today, if you are seeing somebody that seems like they're experiencing an urgent mental health crisis, homeless outreach is not the right resource.

What the right resource is, is the countywide behavioral health 834
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Team, our mobile support team, and that is the number to call, and they will, they will respond and come out if it's appropriate.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For non-urgent homeless services, so what do you do if you're really concerned about somebody on the street corner, and you just want to make sure that they are getting services to get out of that situation in a long-term situation? You would call the number that's on the screen.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For that, and so that is a number that goes to my office. We are now taking this on, and we will then direct West County Community Services or our own staff. 837
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To go out and respond and make sure that that person is receiving services.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Next slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So what are next steps? So, there's kind of… there's three MOUs that we're… we're talking about today that will… will help guide us going forward. So there's one between the city and WCCS, and I think that's on the agenda to be approved. We're going to bring one back for the City of Sebastopol and then… and then with DHS. 840
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In two weeks is the goal. I think we're still on track to do that. And then, as I mentioned, WCCS and then Department of Health Services has their own MOU that we're working on behind the scenes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We're going to continue to align on data reporting. We want to make sure that we are doing… tracking our outcomes the same across both of our teams, and so there's work to do there.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We want to train both of our staff in these new processes we're talking about, and then, to your question earlier, when is this going to start, the by names list meetings? So we'll send out an introductory email to council members, several folks around the West County region, in this month.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then we'll have a kickoff meeting either this month or next month, and start for real in October.

We'll build the list and start working through what are the action plans for each of the people on that list.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And that's it for me. Thank you. 845
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Mayor Jill McLewis: All right, we're back at the dais, so we have a question, Vice Mayor?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I have a question about your slide, page 80 of 98. It says, outcomes… it's talking about housing exits over time. Can you explain that slide?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, I can. So in South County, and I'm… I'm… I used to work from home first, so I know a lot about this slide, but
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I want to differentiate my roles, but, so thank you to them for providing this.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So that is showing, exits over time, so, so, people that are moving from this process that we are tracking, which is tracking people who are homeless, into permanent housing.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, as you can see, it's really small, but I think the first quarter that we were tracking it at that point, it was 11 people, and then that got all the way up to 40 people several quarters later, so it really just shows how increased collaboration
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And holding accountability, I would say, to moving actions forward can help move people into housing. So, housing… housing exits means moving people from homelessness into housing? Correct. Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, exit is a confusing word in that… in that scenario, so thank you for that clarifying question. I didn't know if that meant that people were losing housing, or… Yeah, good question, yeah. Exit from the thing that we're doing into the… yeah, right.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Councilmember Solman.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, first, thanks for the presentation to both of you, very clear. And thanks for including the data from Sonoma Valley and from Petaluma, because, you know, we are a little competitive in the West, and we want to make sure we're keeping up with everybody going… all the happenings in the county. Can you just explain, just.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: big picture, why the data is important, because I attended one of the elected meetings, what I heard the mayor of the city of Sonoma met with the chair of the board of supervisors, reviewed all that data, maybe some of the data that was in the slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And somebody was able to say, if you produce this amount of housing, by this date, We will effectively… 857
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: be without any unhoused. Yeah, so, and I showed that slide, where if you… I mean, it would take a while to describe the different types of housing, but you have rapid rehousing, and then you have permanent supportive housing, which is a lot of what tonight's been about, and so that slide is showing if you… if you build X number of permanent supportive housing units and X number of rapid rehousing units, we can end homelessness.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The minute that happens, right? And so that directs investments.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Great, and that would tie in, be helpful for staff, especially planning, who have to keep track of our housing element numbers, right? That data would really be helpful to city staff, who are frantically trying to keep up with our housing elements and keep those updated. Is that a good… I think so, yeah, that's a great point. Okay, good. And you've also had similar successes in Petaluma. I haven't heard that there was a similar meeting with the mayor of Petaluma.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To talk about the same sort of… 861
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: outcome from… They, I mean, they present it at their city council meetings, and… and so it's just a little bit of a different dynamic there, but he's…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, they are aware of it.

They have the same data. I know Reach for Home does similar work up in North County, and City of Santa Rosa and City of Fernando Park both do the same.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: theirs is in-house, so their city staff are running their… this process, but it's happening everywhere. So realistically, given the by names and when it's being started, when could we invite you back?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to give a similar question. Oh, that's a good question. I would say 6 months at the earliest. It'll take time to really develop the full picture. Okay, alright, thank you. 865
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Mayor Jill McLewis: We had vice… our Vice Mayor had a question. 866
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I wanted to follow up on a question that Councilmember Zolman asked. So, how many housing units are actually needed? I'm not seeing that in the report.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't know yet, because we haven't started the process. Oh. In West County, we'll get there. Okay, thank you. And by the way, we will have, our intention is to track specifically who is spending most of their time in Sebastopol, so it's not… we'll be able to differentiate to a large extent.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, any other questions?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Oh, I'm sorry, you have your hand up? Yeah, there you go, I can see it. Councilmember Carter?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I have a question about flow.

So, like, some are leaving, and some new are coming in. On average, on any given day in Sebastopol, about how many people are experiencing homelessness
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And is there ever going to be a rapid housing number that works because, you know, new people are entering as… It's a really insightful question, something that we talk a lot about in homeless services is.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The analogy that I like best is, like, a bathtub, right? So you've got your faucet coming in, and that's the people that are becoming homeless, and then you've got your drain going out, and that's your housing outflow, right? And so. 873
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You want to close your faucet and open your drain as much as possible, and then help the people that are, you know, currently experiencing homelessness in a dignified way as best as you can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so, I can't answer your question now, because we haven't started collecting the data yet in a really meaningful way, but we will get there. To your point, I mean. 875
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We will be able to say… 876
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: definitively, here's how many you would need to end homelessness for the group today. We'll be able to do a lot of predictive analysis to say, over time, and here's how much more you would need.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Does that answer the question? 878
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Alright, and I just have a quick question, because I'm just listening to this here,
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I mean, we can say how much we need, but it all depends on whether or not they accept, right? I mean, services and housing, because I keep hearing from people, you know, that say, yeah, I heard about it, but I don't want any housing. I'm happy with what I'm doing. Isn't that part of the challenge that we have?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think that's why you invest in street outreach, which is why we're here today, right? So, I've been working and managing street outreach teams for a long time, for about 16 years now, and in all the years that I've been
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: either myself doing street outreach or working with staff, I've only ever encountered one person who, after two years of continuous engagement, didn't say yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right? So it sometimes takes that, and it sometimes takes saying hello every single day for 2 years. But it… 883
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think it's possible. Yes, there are people who immediately say no, because they've been traumatized by the system, because
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: they are experiencing a different reality than the rest of us, you know, what have you. But, that's… that is the magic of street outreach, is understanding what makes this person tick, and how can I get them to yes.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: All right, if there are no other questions, then we'll go to public comment, and thank you so much.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Mayor. Hutter and Christy, you guys can go ahead and sit down. I'm going to open it up for public comment.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Comment?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So this is public comment on the, contracts for the Heart and Soul, as well as WCCS. If you'd like to make a public comment on this item, again, it is a 2-minute public time limit, and I do chambers first, and then go out to Zoom, if there's anyone in chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I'll go out to Zoom.

Rob, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Rob, can you unmute yourself? There… whoops. Can you unmute yourself, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There you go. Can you see the… can you see the timer?
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Rob: I can't, but it's okay. It's not really a… I guess it's for comment, but I've heard a lot of, of people talking today about how 893
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Rob: There's promises that are made that, you know, aren't achievable, or maybe never could be achieved, and…
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Rob: when I hear about, if you build this many units, that you can end homelessness.
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Rob: that's really hard for me to accept. I know there's a lot that I don't know about homelessness, but it's hard for me to accept that you can do that, because it's all dependent on the money continuing to come in to support people if they don't go back and get jobs, or it takes a long time, so you may be able to house them, but
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Rob: that's only, like, that's a small part of it, as far as I can tell. 897
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Rob: And I think that saying that this magic number can end homelessness, you know, for this group of people makes people think that it's going to end homelessness, and that they're going to be all done, and the expectation is not near the reality.
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Rob: That's all. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers. 900
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing that, I'll go back out. Lee, can you mute yourself, please?
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Lee: Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There you go, can you see the timer still?
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Lee: I can, thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Alright, go ahead, please. 905
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Lee: Yeah, congratulations to the Hart Organization. That was the first presentation that I've seen that gives me some confidence, a bit of confidence, that the county might actually have a workable plan. 906
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Lee: To improve the problem of homelessness.
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Lee: Hopefully, we'll see the number of unhoused living on our streets go down next year.
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Lee: The data was really interesting. I think Sandra pointed out that… or asked, you know, about the 67 homeless, is that our number? And it kind of sounds like that is. Two years ago, it was 100. Last year, it was, like, zero, and the point of… point-in-time count.
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Lee: No one really thought it was 100, no one really thought it was zero, and you know, the idea that they're moving in and out of the city limits 910
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Lee: probably makes the point-in-time count useless, but if you're in contact with 67, that's probably a decent estimate of what the ongoing number is, and something that we could work with in the future in terms of getting it down. That would also continue to keep us in the highest per capita number of homeless of any city in the county. 911
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Lee: I'm not sure why Councilmember Zolan was concerned about the housing element. We have more PSH units right now, per capita, than any other city. I kind of wonder if the entire county built as much permanent supportive housing per capita as Sebastopol, if that would be enough… enough…
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Lee: Homes to End Homelessness, or unhoused. Just a thought. Thanks, bye. 913
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment on this item.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment item on this item, to please raise your hand virtually. 915
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, public comment is closed for this item.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Alright, thank you. So we're back at the dais for any comments.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Go ahead, Councilmember Zolman.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No, I just want to thank the presenters. The data was great, presenting the end goal of what, if we really focus on the data, we really can strive to get a number to move towards everyone having a house. So, I will end up moving, staff recommendations.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'll second.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Was that a motion?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I thought we were doing… do we have other comments? Councilmember Hinton does, so…
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Yeah, I mean, I have supported, 923
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: these services and West County Community Services to provide them, I think, as long as I've been on Council. I did, I will support this again tonight, but I want to send a really clear message that I heard apologies about lack of oversight. 924
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: And, that's hard to hear, actually, when we're paying for services. And I think I would be remiss if I didn't say it out loud, because, we're going into another contract tonight, and, 925
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Well, I supervise staff, and so, as a supervisor of staff.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: You know, it, it, like, you can make a mistake, but you can't make it…
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Over and over again. So, I just… I am a bit disappointed tonight. I need to say that out loud, to the public. We're spending their money.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I do want… I know people are in need, and I'm always been for these services, but I want to assure that if we're signing a contract, that we have some accountability and oversight by the vendor that we're selecting.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: So… Wanted to make that comment. 930
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Great. And any other comments before I make mine? 931
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I… and I wanted to be clear here before I say that.

Did we actually have a motion? Because I thought we were just doing comments, and then I heard Stephen's… Councilmember Zolman do a motion, so I want to understand…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We do have a motion and a second. 933
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Mayor Jill McLewis: the motion, exactly.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, the motion is what is in the staff report. It is to authorize a continued partnership with the Sonoma County Heart and Soul for dedicated homeless outreach services, and authorizing the return to a future City Councilmember the successor MOU. 935
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And they, HART has also agreed, the county has agreed to be able to continue the services until such time that we can bring that contract back, as well as approving the professional services contract for the West County Community Services for the FY2626 Homeless Outreach Services.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Got it. Okay, I understand before I made my comments.

So, I… I am in agreement with bringing back, you know, the A, the heart and soul, and… and that.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: But I personally cannot support bringing back $40,000 for West County Community Services, given
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Mayor Jill McLewis: what we've heard tonight. It's been something that we've all wondered over the years. I've not been supportive in the past, and I just… I'm not able to overlook that. We're a city that's strapped for money. We've had… we've seen, you know, a great fluctuation in the unhoused that we have in our community, and it's… it is quite high, and I'm just disappointed to hear that we're… we've been receiving all these reports all this time.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: And they're not accurate. So, yes, for part of it, but I will not be able to vote for this if it includes everything, because personally, I think if anything else, I'd like to see that $40,000 going towards something else that might be more effective for us, whether it's a part-time police officer, or part-time someone else that can do something, but I'm just not willing to overlook the fact that 940
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Mayor Jill McLewis: that this, lack of management has happened. I just don't think that that's… that's, in my opinion as a council member, I just don't think that we should be overlooking that and saying. 941
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Mayor Jill McLewis: okay, do better next time. I can't do that, so I'm just… that's where I'm at with this. I expect more for our taxpayers' dollars.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: So that's where I'm at. So, I don't know if anyone else has a comment, if you'd like to…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Do a…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: personal comments, or would you like me to call for the motion? Call for the motion. I mean, call for the vote.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Go ahead and call for the.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zollman moved, and Vice Mayor Maurer seconded the motion to authorize the continued partnership with the Sonoma County Heart for dedicated homeless outreach services, and return the successor MOU to a Fertier City Council meeting, understanding that the county will continue services until such time that that MOU returns to the Council, and authorizing professional services agreement with West County Community Services for the FY26-26 947
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 2627 Homeless Outreach services, an amount not to exceed $40,000, and authorizing the execution of the agreement. Councilmember Carter? Yes. Councilmember Hinton? 948
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I guess I'm gonna say yes tonight. 949
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? Yes. Vice Mayor Maurer? Yes. Mayor McLewis?
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Mayor Jill McLewis: No.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Motion passes 4 to 1, with Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zolman, and Vice Mayor Maurer in support, and Mayor McLewis in opposition.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: So, before we move on to another item, I wanted to ask… I have two things.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: I wanted to do a check on a bio break, and I also just…
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Mayor Jill McLewis: So, yes on that, and then the second thing I just wanted to make you aware of is that after this break, I'm going to be exiting the meeting. I actually have to have a surgery at 6 AM tomorrow morning, I'm sorry. I learned that this afternoon, so, I… Vice Mayor, I'm just going to ask you to take over for this last, item. 955
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: So I apologize, but I just… I couldn't… didn't have time to… to let you know that before this. So, do you want to just… do you want to do 5 minutes, or do you want to take… Vice Mayor, do you have any… you said you wanted the break, so is 5 minutes enough? 957
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes.
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Mayor Jill McLewis: Okay, all right. So we're gonna go ahead and do that, and thank you for taking over. Sorry about that, but I have to take care of my health, so thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We ready?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, welcome back to the City Council meeting. We are going to next take, item… agenda item number 12. 961
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Which is potential options to address community concerns regarding graffiti and racial mockery associated with the Safeway area. And who will be presenting? I will, Vice Mayor. Good evening again. Excuse me. As the Council knows, the 962
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Over a period of weeks, the Council received a number of complaints from members of the community regarding, 963
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: graffiti and other types of racial harassment that have been occurring at or near the Safeway store. 964
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Involving youth, in the community.

And on August 4th, the Council, discussed this and discussed some options and possibilities for dealing with this and provided direction. 965
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to me to prepare a report on some of the legal tools that may or may not be available for dealing with this. And in particular, there was a…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Emphasis on restorative justice. 967
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so I'll go through those now, and then take any questions you may have. So the… the first one I… I wanna…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: touch on it is something that is not an option, which is mandating improvements at the site. 969
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, sorry, mandating… is that better? Mandating physical improvements at the site, whether that be a fence or cameras. The city generally does not have the ability to require 970
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Private property owners to make 971
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Physical improvements on the site. 972
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: outside of an entitlement process.

So, you know, it is common when a project comes to the city for a use permit or a design review for the city to require things at that point. 973
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But the city has no ability in general, to do that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: ad hoc basis outside of that permitting process. So if…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This property owner came to the city in the future for…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: If they needed a conditional use permit for anything, or if they, you know, were doing a remodel and need a design review, the city might have the ability to do that. 977
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Requirelows at that time. 978
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But we… it's not something we can require, sort of, on an ad hoc basis outside of Lowe's
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The exercise of our land use authority.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, so going into just a couple of our options that we do have is the city, has been meeting, you know, the mayor initially convened.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: meetings with the, 982
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: in his continuing attempt to convene meetings with, sort of, all the interested parties. Neighborhood, residents, the,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: school, Safeway, as well as the police department. So those, of course, can continue, and I do want to acknowledge that we had initially misstated in the staff report that those… that that meeting, was previously approved by the Council formally. It has not been. It was something that was done 984
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, administratively, and the city manager authorized, you know, staff to participate in those discussions. So that can continue, and we can certainly work on trying to get voluntary agreement with…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Safe way about installing some of these physical improvements, or taking other steps.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Some of the other voluntary steps, That are possible are…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: enforcement of trespassing laws, right? They… as property owners, they can sign…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: documents allowing the police department to enforce trespassing laws, even if they are not on site. So that would allow this… the police department to enforce trespassing laws, you know, overnight when the site is not otherwise, you know, open for the public to use.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The city could also do a graffiti abatement ordinance that requires a property owner to clear the graffiti within specified
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: period of time. If not, you know, the city would pursue code enforcement, either, you know, fines, or potentially the city doing the…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: removal itself, and seeking cost recovery from the property owner, that is something that is possible. And there are… many cities have those types of ordinances, and there's processes for recovering those costs by putting it on the… either recording it as a lien on the property, or…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Recording it as a special assessment collected on the property tax roll, so… so those ordinances generally require
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, establish a period of time for which the… in which graffiti must be removed. So that could be as little as 24 hours, 72 hours is very common, some cities allow 994
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Even more than that. 995
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then, based on Council direction, there was questions about restorative justice. And, you know, to very oversimplify this, you know, restorative justice is intended as a process where
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, outside the traditional sort of criminal justice system, where you know.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Through dialogue and, you know, communication, parties…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, meet to discuss the insulin, you know, the harm, why it was caused, the reasons it occurred, trying to reach resolution and sort of permanent.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: maybe not permanent, but a path forward, where everyone feels heard and there are solutions. And again, that's an oversimplification of the process.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, restorative justice is one type of diversion program. There are other types of diversion programs trying to steer, rather than
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: send people to jail or through the normal criminal justice process where they, are diverted to another program. So there are a couple ways this happens. The Sonoma County 1002
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Juvenile justice system has diversion.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Programs, it has restorative justice programs, like many.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Systems in the state. 1005
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, that requires someone to be referred to, you know, those processes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the probation department juvenile justice is operated through the probation department. They might make, you know, for any particular case, they might decide whether or not a referral to a diversion is appropriate. If that's successful, the process may end, the case may be dismissed.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: If not, it might be referred back to the normal juvenile criminal justice system.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Probation may also decide that 1009
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, a particular case isn't suitable for diversion and send it
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: initially to the traditional process. But that, of course, does require, a criminal referral to the probation department that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, after a criminal citation or arrest is made. And then as part of intake at the probation department, you know, they would go through a full process, generally, which would involve fingerprinting and things like that. 1012
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The city does not fingerprint.

That's not something that the city does. That is something that happens at the county level when an individual is booked, for lack of a better word.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So there are a number of cities who,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Throughout the state who might sponsor restorative justice programs.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And usually, those are. 1016
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: are separate from the, you know, police department and the criminal justice system. It might be, you know, grant funding that's, you know, sponsored with school district or other providers, so that's a resource for the community. And the police department might make referrals to those programs.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For cases where they think, hey, this isn't something that we want to… maybe it's not illegal conduct, necessarily, but the police department thinks it would benefit from going through some of this process, and they may suggest or refer people to it.

Or there… it may be a type of low-level crime where the police department determines it's not
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Appropriate to do a criminal process where a citation is issued, or an arrest is made. 1019
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But in the most common way this works is, like, those referrals are made, might come from the police department, might come from
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Someone else…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the restorative justice program goes on, and the police department is not involved anymore. It happens there. If it's not successful.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Police Department doesn't know about it. It's not something they… they felt warranted, 1023
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, a criminal citation and all to begin with. So those are the most common types of programs run by cities. There are…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Programs run by cities where 1025
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: A police… not run by cities, but sort of partnered with cities, where police department might issue a criminal citation to someone.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Rather than it be sent to the juvenile justice system, that person is referred to the 1027
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: A restorative justice program, With reports back to the police department, and if,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the process is successful, you know, that's sort of the end of the line. If the process is unsuccessful for whatever reason, the police department may then decide to move forward with
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: preferring the…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: citation to the probation department and the juvenile justice system. So at times in the past, you know, Sebastopol at one point had grant funding and participated in a program like this. That funding has expired, it hasn't been used in a couple years.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I do want to note, though, that this process involves a citation being issued by the police department, and so while they aren't fingerprinted and part of the county system. 1032
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: there is a case report on them in the juveniles in the city's record keeping, in the city's police records.

And so, you know, juvenile records are confidential, but… 1033
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In response to a lawful subpoena, or court order, or lawful judicial warrant, like, those… 1034
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: those records would be released.

They exist and would be released.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so, I'll pause there. I think that sort of summarizes most of the pro… the… the…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sort of broad options. 1037
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I think a distinction with having heard some questions from
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman, you know, there was a concern specifically about fingerprinting, and that would not happen
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Through a citation, unless the citation was referred to the county.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: However, just to reiterate again, if a citation is issued
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Which is really necessary if 1042
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: If the police department is going to monitor
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Compliance with restorative justice process, and potentially
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Refer it to probation at a later point.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: A citation really does need to be issued up front, and while no fingerprinting occurs, that does create a local, you know.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Citation record in the police. 1047
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: record-keeping system. So, with that, I'll… I'll pause, to see if there are any questions from the… Thank you. So, Councilmember Zoolman.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Alex, for the report.

Yes, the fingerprinting is of high concern, and I'd like you to be able to explain to the public, along with the Chief, the consequences of fingerprinting, because what I heard the chief say before, he seemed excited and proud of his arrest record. I'd like to know the consequences to our youth.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: If we do go with a process that involves fingerprinting, what are the consequences for juveniles? 1050
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: once fingerprints are taken by a police authority. How long are they kept on file? Who has access to that? Meaning higher governmental agencies, like the FBI, etc. And in particular, for a brown community, what are the consequences? 1051
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Immigration-wise. 1052
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There are a lot of questions in that question.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Can we break that down a little so that I can attempt to answer it for you? I would just want to hear from you to educate the public of the consequences of fingerprinting for our youth in particular. How long do they stay in the system? What other agencies higher up, to include the FBI, have access to the fact that there are fingerprints available? And in particular, for the Brown community.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: What is your understanding of the consequences of having fingerprints left in the system? 1055
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For those who are un… are undocumented.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, for a start, we don't manage any fingerprint systems, so I…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I really couldn't comment on how they handled that information.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That'd be like me commenting on another city's handling of
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Records, or flock camera records, or…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So I really can't provide you with a definitive answer on that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But I would be assuming that those records are maintained indefinitely. Who they share them with, I have absolutely no idea.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Are you saying that this Sebastopol Police doesn't take fingerprints? Correct.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: They, they're obtained. 1065
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: When someone is perhaps a custodial arrest, and they're transferred to… if they're an adult and they're transferred to the sheriff's office jail, they'd be fingerprinted at the sheriff's office.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In the case of juvenile probation. 1067
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Possibly through that process, and I don't know at what point through their process, because we don't have any involvement in that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Hinton? 1069
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I'm surprised to be hearing about fingerprints for youth, because I understood that you couldn't routinely take fingerprints for youth.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Am I not understanding that correct? I'm glad we don't do it in Spassible, but I thought that that wasn't allowed. 1071
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But we have no involvement in the process, so I… I wouldn't like to comment on it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Carter? 1074
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, just shifting back to Safeway, just… is that… unnecessarily targeted. Anyway, 1075
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You were mentioning that we might be able to have
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: an ordinance that kind of affects the way Safeway monitors what happens around its property. 1077
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Mentioned.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we could adopt a graffiti abatement ordinance that requires property owners, not just Safeway, but, you know, other commercial property owners, to remove graffiti within specified periods of time.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right. Or face fines, or the risk of the city removing it and charging them for that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right. Do we have anything anywhere near close to that already, where they must maintain, you know, the property nicely?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No, not something that is clear and explicit.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And have we, discussed with them about the shape of the back of the building? Like, you know, maintaining, like, a less habitable space, because it seems to be, you know. 1084
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Nice, or is it my… is this too directed towards one specific place? Is that not appropriate? No, that's… that's a fine question. I don't mary if you know if that's come up in the conversation.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, for the couple times that we did meet with Safeway, we did discuss areas back there, and they had stated they cannot fence off certain areas in that back area, so we have had this conversation with Safeway.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, would this be recalling the blight
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We had a blight policy that we thought about really hard. Is this something that kind of brings it back? 1088
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, the blight, ordinance the Council considered was…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: broad. It dealt with all types of 1090
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: light. It was also drafted broadly to apply to residential property.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: in commercial property, whether or not it was visible from the front or back of the street. The council at the time decided
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Rather than narrow it by, you know, making it only apply to commercial property, only apply to 1093
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: things visible from the street, just to not move forward with it at all.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This would… if you did a graffiti ordinance, it would contain
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: elements of the blight ordinance, but it would only be about graffiti. It would not be about other types of blight, like, you know, discarded furniture, or, you know… 1096
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, that's cool. I'm just leaning towards holding the property owners a little bit more for the responsibility of
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: what happens to their property, just a little bit more, so I would lean in that direction. 1098
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Two questions. How does the graffiti glit… how does graffiti get cleaned up now?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: How does that happen? 1100
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the property owners now are cleaning up, my understanding from Mary, that Safeway has in the past cleaned up this graffiti. I don't know the exact
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, it used to be that there were two people who were getting reimbursed for the cost of paint, or being given paint, and they would go around… I don't know how often they did it, but they would be covering up… they were volunteers, and they were covering up graffiti. Does that still happen? Yes, we have… 1102
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Ted and Steve, and Steve was one of our public commenters tonight, earlier.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And that's a volunteer basis, so they do what they can, when they can. Yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: as far as Safeway and their… odd. 1105
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Response to graffiti on the building.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We met with them multiple times about a variety of issues, that being one of them.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And they were very receptive to 1108
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: having an extended patrol of their own facility, which I don't think they were doing before that. 1109
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Where they'd walk around the entire premises, in the morning, and just sort of see where… what the status of things were, and…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And they committed to attempting to remove the graffiti within 24 hours on their own,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Provisor, which I thought was commendable, and…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To my knowledge, they've been doing that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Alex, earlier in your presentation, you said that the city has been meeting with a council member, with Safeway, with neighbors, school, and the police department, and some staff.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I just want to double check, were the neighbors included in any of those meetings?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, the first three meetings was with the city's… the chief, myself, the mayor, and Safeway, and Annalie.

Those were back in, I believe, February, March.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: February, March, and May, or… it was 3 months during the spring. We have not met with them since May. We did meet, once with the neighbors and received their concerns. And was Safeway there as well at that time? So, no, we wanted to have an individual meeting with the neighbors to talk to them to get what their concerns were. I will say, after that meeting, we did reach out to Safeway and Annalie, and we have… I've done
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We have not heard back from them. 1118
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Unless the Chief has. I have not heard back from them when I reached out to have an invitation to have the meeting with them.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I could speak for… 1120
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: At the conclusion of that actual meeting that we had with some of the residents that are here tonight. 1121
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: on my way back to the police department, I actually
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: drove across the superintendent for… for the school district, that looks after Annalie, and I had a conversation with him based on that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, they were very receptive to it. We discussed some of the residents' concerns about wanting to have 1124
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Some sort of, you know, anti-bias, anti-racial,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: anti-race… racist-type training in the school, and they said they actually have that program, and it's quite robust.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And ironically, the teacher who teaches it walked upon us while we were chatting, so I got to have a chat with him as well. I did…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: ask and invite that if they would like some involvement from the police department in that, we'll do whatever we can to… to assist with that, and they were receptive to that idea as well.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, that's… Also, that's in progress,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Obviously, they've just started their new school year, and that's already underway, so… 1130
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: inserting ourselves in our current curriculum is not as straightforward as it may seem.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But they were receptive to… to those ideas that you came up with.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, we're happy to be involved. 1133
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Councilmember Zolman.

Yeah, so just to be clear, all these meetings, that an elected appeared, 1134
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: not on behalf of the city. That was not a council vote to have that elected attend these meetings, correct? 1135
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That is correct, she did that as an individual. So, as of right now, we do not have a voted-upon Council liaison to any of these issues, correct? That is correct. Okay, and just to be super clear, somebody from the city did reach out to Chalk Wade, the principal of Annily, for his response, and as of today, again, zero response from the school. That is correct. I sent them an email after, I can go back and
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: find the date. I sent them to, Annalie and Safeway, and asked them
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: They had reached out and wanted to know if it was separate from the meeting that we had taken place back in the spring, and I said yes, and that was the…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Last I've heard from them. Okay.

Looping back to the, past, experiences of this city with restorative justice to try to do homework in preparation for this meeting, I did reach out to the Executive Director of Restorative Resources. That… Alex, that was the entity that the city worked with in the past, right? 1139
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: she ended up providing successful statistics, and Alex, can you comment, or can the Chief comment to the public about the success rate for those students whose parents agreed to voluntarily go through the program? Yeah, the statistics they provided were that between 2023
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And when the program ended. 1141
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There were 16 referrals, 1 parent declined to participate, and 15 youth entered and successfully completed the program.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And it was about, you know, 50… they say it's an average of 15 hours per… per case.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, and in the staff report, it says that that is one of the options, that if we do want to have our youth not go through the criminal justice system to be fingerprinted, etc, etc.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we would need to raise the funding, and I did reach out to the same executive director. Mary, I think you were on the email. She is available to provide,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: a proposal for how much that would cost, is that correct, Mary?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That is my understanding. I just got the email right before, so, I need to go and review it, but that was my understanding on the quick glance of it. Okay, thanks. 1147
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Carter? 1148
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I know that we keep bringing up Annalie, but there are younger schools that are also in the area. Do we know how, they are…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Educating about racism and stuff like that, so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we know it's not middle schoolers, or, you know, I did hear that Brookhaven may have had an issue with racism as well, and, you know, are we addressing it at earlier ages and trying to help that along?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is that directed at me, sir? 1152
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm happy to… happy to put a lot of… Do everything.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I… I haven't had any conversations with Brookhaven on this topic, and I'm not aware of any Actual incidents. 1154
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, racism or so forth at the school, or related to the school.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: or any relationship to Safeway, either, with that particular school. There's always the inference that they're Annalise students, that's just the standard inference, because of the proximity to Safeway.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, so, so the, the people that have recently,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The graffiti, we know who did it, like, the most recent cases.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I don't recall the dates, but it was, I think, back in April or so forth,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, they were apprehended within 24 hours, all four of them, and cited, technically, an arrest. 1160
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Because we took the matter seriously and investigated it thoroughly, and…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, referred them to juvenile probation, and…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To my knowledge, we haven't had any instances of that
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Really, since it's… that sort of took care of that issue, so perhaps those particular four… 1164
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Where the repeat offenders If we look at it in that light. Seems right.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? To respond to Councilmember Carter's question to our police chief, I will refer back to an agenda item that I brought back in March of 2025. There, in fact, was a response from the
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: chair of their board, along with the principal, Sarah Graham, because I had reached out about the bullying that was going on at Brookhaven and the suicide of a 10-year-old. That letter is part of the public comment associated with that agenda item. 1167
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: she states the fact that they are agreeable to having a city council slash school district meeting. I brought it up. I think some of my colleagues were like, we should just stay in our own lane, and we should just let the schools do what the schools are gonna do. So I just wanted to let you know that that has been approached. Why I think it's relevant to this conversation is that eventually when we get to public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think the principle of Annally should and
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hopefully, would be interested in doing some joint funding for a program, because all these schools are feeder schools.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: If the racism starts in the elementary schools, it's gonna feed into the high schools, so that is just what I wanted to bring to your attention, but thanks. 1171
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, we can go out to public comment, please.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Mayor. So this is for public comment for the item regarding the Safeway and the graffiti. 1173
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In the Restorative justice model, if you'd like to make a public comment. Again, it is 2 minutes. I go to chambers first, and then go out to Zoom, if there's anyone in chambers. 1174
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmembers and members of the public, my name is Cynthia Bradley.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I live on Johnson Street, right across from the police station.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm going to read you a letter that I'm going to submit to you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Dear Councilmembers, During the past year, members of our community have been hurt by racist actions in their neighborhood.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This racism is not unique to one neighborhood or one event.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: According to some parents I have spoken with, there have been ongoing racist and other bullying in our schools for a number of years.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: As a community, we are all responsible for creating a welcoming environment for everyone in our town.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Some community members have stepped up to create a safe presence behind Safeway to protect our neighbors. 1183
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Some community members have approached the West County High School Board and Annalee High School. 1184
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We are coming together to create a number of ways to prevent harmful behavior, and to make it clear that our town does not tolerate racism or any other form of bullying. 1185
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: What will the Council step up to do?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Clearly, Safeway must be held accountable for protecting neighborhoods and customers from harassment on Safeway grounds.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Businesses in our town must be responsible for maintaining the kind of town we expect. 1188
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Annalee High School. 1189
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Parkside School, Brookhaven Middle School, Sebastopol Charter School, and Sunridge Charter School are within Sebastopol City limits. Cynthia, you have 20 seconds.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The Council should require that these schools meet regularly with the City Council to discuss the school environment, and what the schools are doing to create a safe place for all students, and how the schools promote responsible interactions with the wider community.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The Council's resolution 6403-2022, passed in February 2022, is a powerful statement addressing the kind of town we all hope for. Can you create policy which supports this resolution?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Thank you for your public comment. I will go out to Zoom. Mary, can you unmute yourself, please?
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marywyman: Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Can you see the timer? 1195
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marywyman: Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Great, go ahead, please. 1197
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marywyman: My name is Mary Wyman. I'm a nurse practitioner, and I've lived in Sebastopol for 42 years, currently right near Annalee High School.
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marywyman: On May 28th of this year, at 3.30, I was waiting for an appointment at Pitt and Healy, right near Safeway, when I could hear these noises that were clearly
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marywyman: harassment, menacing. They got louder. I started to walk towards them. It was 3 or 4 teenage boys, right in the area, we all know, jumping up and down, making ape noises, and they were directing them at the apartment across the street.
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marywyman: There was also graffiti behind them, it was a penis and testicles. And when I said, what are you guys doing? They said nothing.

When I pulled out my phone and said, I can film you since you're doing nothing, then they started to run. One of them said, you can't film us because we're minors. When I returned to the apartment and found out who actually lives there.
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marywyman: I was so saddened. I called because it's a lovely family, and they've been targeted repeatedly. I called the police and reported. I was told a car would come by, and that surveillance would increase. 1202
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marywyman: But apparently the response was so minimal, and in fact, I think so disappointing to the family that it wasn't until the Sebastopol Times did the article, thank you, Laura Hager-Rush, for doing that. 1203
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marywyman: that they really felt some support from the community. So my statement is, we need to do something really concerted and serious to address this, so that our families of color feel supported and safe in their home. It was happening right in their front yard. 1204
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marywyman: Also, I think you all need to be informed, the Press Democrat did a whole article about racism at Brookhaven School, a Press Democrat story 8-14-2025, quote, nothing is being done. Thank you. 1205
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I'll come back into chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, my name's Todd Swindell. I'm a 23-year resident of, Spasspool. And just for the sake of everyone listening.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: on Zoom and stuff, to put this in context, what happened on April 27th was,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Boys that live here in Spouse Poll, growing up here with families, felt emboldened during the day to go behind Safeway.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: and spray paint swastikas, and write, Hitler was right, and advocate for the killing of Black people.

Teenage boys doing that here in Peacown. So this is kind of… and this… 1210
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: just to put it in context here, you know, and then Mary's talking about, you know, how they're mocking these young black girls that live across the street. So I think it's really important to put this in context, in the sense of the outrage. 1211
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: and have a sense of urgency around this. The first incident happening back in April 27th. It's, you know, complex here, because we're talking about the schools.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And that, again, this is the West County School District, so we're getting into different bureaucratic areas.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But this isn't… this is not… we're doing a disservice. We're doing a disservice to these boys who feel that they can go out in public and act this way.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Safeway, this is a real problem in this area. I don't know how many years ago, a woman was sexually assaulted in this same area, you know? A camera. A camera needs to be replaced. I mean, Safeway, how many people go in there? How much money are they making off of us, right? They can't put a camera? 1216
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We talked to the then, manager at the time, and he said, oh, it won't make a difference, we have a camera in front, it's not gonna make a difference. You know, they put up some signs lately, behind the back, saying no loitering, and the kids are loitering behind the signs. So, I think what we need is a camera from Safeway, and…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: What's going on with the school here? I mean, this has been an ongoing problem with racism at the school.

I mean, we've heard from a lot of students there about what's been going on. So again, just, I think with the outrage, we need to have a sense of urgency. Thank you. Thank you for your public comment. Next, I'll go out to Zoom. Woody, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: Yes, I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, can you see the timer? 1220
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: Yes, I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Great, go ahead, please. 1222
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: Good evening, everybody. Woody Hastings here. First, I need to say that I am not speaking as a representative of the Climate Center. I know that the feature to rename yourself in Zoom here has been disabled, so I'm unable to take that off there. So just speaking for myself tonight.
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: And of course, this is all super disturbing, and I, you know, I read in the Seb Times about how 1224
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: the family felt that the community hadn't really stepped up, but, you know, I'm just… so I'm really just chiming in to add my voice to those standing in solidarity, that this is just…
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: unacceptable in our community, and I, you know, I think the city should approach this with, you know, with a restorative justice approach.
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: You know, these are… these are misguided youth, and I think they need some help.
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: they need some education. And, you know, in my work, I work with organizations all around the state that are 1228
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: That are struggling with, environmental racism and other forms of racism, and, you know, this… what's happened here is… in a way, it's not…
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: It's a manifestation of something that's very prevalent and re-emerging
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: in our society because of the dynamics at the federal, at the national level. And so, you know, it's something that
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: it's not a kind of a flash-in-the-pan unique thing. This is something that needs to be sort of dealt with. 1232
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: Collectively, as a community. 1233
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: And in a thoughtful and careful way, and we don't want to criminalize people, we don't want to… 1234
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Woody Hastings, The Climate Center: lay a heavy hand, so anyway, just wanted to chime in with support for that family. Thank you. 1235
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Woody, for your public comment. I will come back into chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good evening.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'd like to start by clearly stating that I stand in complete solidarity and sympathy with the people who were insulted, hurt, victimized, even by the hateful and ignorant 1238
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: racist graffiti and taunts from a while back. That is completely unacceptable, and it is not in the character of our city. We strive to be a city that cares about people, all people, and it is good that we come together to restate this principle whenever incidents occur that undermine it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The youth who are responsible for causing this serious hurt should most definitely be held accountable for their actions, but I do not believe that juvenile detention is the answer. Our prison system has long ago abandoned the idea of being a place where people are reformed. It is instead a place of punitive control.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We should look instead to restorative justice, as the City Council has suggested. This is a problem of society and culture. There is not a great legislative answer to a problem of racist indoctrination.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would not support a problematic city graffiti abatement ordinance. I do, however, wonder if we can ask Enley High School if they would be willing to teach classes on social media literacy and critical thinking.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Our entire country is in the throes of a fascist revival, and the influencers and provocateurs are pushing this content into the algorithms that are a modern young person's constant companion.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For instance, just this last Saturday, the Kia Center in Orlando, Florida, which used around 20,000 people, had a mixed martial arts.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: fight, including a known neo-Nazi who called himself the Gypsy Crusader.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: After winning the fight, he was seen giving the Nazi salute. Some of his fans in the stadium unfurled a Nazi flag, and many in the audience also gave the Nazi salute. 1246
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This has not been in the mainstream news. Facebook, Instagram, and X all have links to it, though. And I am just using this as an example for why social media literacy should be taught young in today's world.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Our little bubble of peace here in Sebastopol is not impervious to algorithmic societal rot, and the antidote to this poison is community, not the police, and Sebastopol has community in abundance.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I'll go out to Zoom. Kyle, can you unmute yourself, please? 1249
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Kyle Falbo: I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Can you see the timer? 1251
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Kyle Falbo: No, you can let me know.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, go ahead, please. 1253
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Kyle Falbo: I support a restorative approach to the reported racial harassment and graffiti near Safeway, but only if restorative truly means a community process outside the criminal legal system. The staff report describes that possibility, but it does not yet establish the necessary protections. The local organizations mentioned in the report have experience working with probation, courts, police, and schools. That experience may be valuable, but merely hiring a nonprofit 1254
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Kyle Falbo: does not create an independent process. Before authorizing a program, counsel should require a written firewall.
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Kyle Falbo: Who would refer participants? Would police reports or names be given to the facilitator? Could anything said during a restorative meeting be disclosed to police, probation, prosecutors, or school disciplinary officials? Could withholding or failing to complete the process result in prosecution or discipline? Who would keep the records, and for how long?
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Kyle Falbo: More importantly, participation by the harmed child and family must be genuinely voluntary. They should never have to meet directly with the people responsible, recount their experience for someone else's benefit, or accept an apology as the price of receiving community support. City attorney has already warned that having police decide who enters the program, whether participation was successful, and whether a case should then be transferred to prosecution would create legal and procedural concerns.
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Kyle Falbo: That would also mean the process was not truly independent of law enforcement. So my central question is this. If Council intends to be a community process outside of the criminal legal system. 1258
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Kyle Falbo: Will the city put that independence in writing by prohibiting information sharing with police, probation, prosecutors, and school discipline, except for narrowly defined legal or immediate safety obligations?
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Kyle Falbo: Please establish these protections before selecting a provider or asking affected families to participate.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Kyle, for your public comment. I will come back into chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good morning, Roth, and 1262
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I live in… on Stitch Lane in Sebastopol. I've lived in Sonoma County for over 40 years, and I left for a while, and I'm back, and I've been here for the last year. So, 1263
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Anyway, my comment is, 10 years ago, a family came to the Human Rights Commission and spoke about their experience for their son at Annalee.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The young… the young boy spoke, the parents spoke, and it was an understatement of how heartbreaking it was to hear this family
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I fast forward to 2026, and here we are dealing with the racism in Annalee.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Now, it has been some time since, my six kids went to school, right? They're all grown up now. 1267
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, but this problem continues, and it's been going on And rears its ugly head.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: for 40 years, because somebody I know who's 40,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: knew about this at Annalee 40 years ago, so it's not new to you or me, okay? The problem with Annelie existed, okay, long ago. I have no doubt that NLA officials have probably tried
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To stem the tide, but the current political climate, we have leaders who want to represent our communities in an inclusive way.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I mean, where do our kids… 1272
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Often get their moral compass from. 1273
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But from their elders. 1274
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, okay, my question today now is what, if anything, is being done? You spoke about it briefly tonight. You have about 15 seconds. I know it's a rumor, but I want to know if it's true that Emily and Safeway and the police are really taking this seriously. They're not taking this seriously, it seems like. 1275
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I want to know how long the culprit is expected to, to be expelled from school. Have they been expelled from school? Ma'am, that's 2 minutes. What? I'm done? Yeah, that's 2 minutes for public comment. Okay, I just want to say that I thought there was zero tolerance at Annalee, and I don't think there is.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Thank you for your public comment. Next, I'll go out to Zoom. Rob, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Rob: Yeah, thank you.
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Rob: I can't see your timer, but that's okay, it should be quick. I guess I… what I wanted to say is that
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Rob: what we're talking about now is really round two of this. Someone brought it up earlier that we did have some issues at Brookhaven with racism, and it was actually quite a big issue.
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Rob: it hit the newspaper two times in the PD, and two times in the, in the, the Sebastopol Times. And…
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Rob: it kind of died down. It came to the city council, and it also kind of died down. Now it's back up again, and I think some of the same people are speaking about how it's
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Rob: back again. They never really left.
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Rob: One thing that we advocated before, and maybe now is necessary too, is for,
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Rob: more complete communication. We wanted the school administration to engage with us as parents and citizens to be able to be involved in… in building a different way of thinking for the… for the
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Rob: students, that they were reluctant that didn't happen. It sounds like city council or city, representatives are meeting with school board officials or, or principals, and
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Rob: you know, like, I had no idea that those meetings were going on, so, that kind of…
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Rob: like, communication with the citizenship of, sort of, the citizens of Sebastopol in a broad way that says, these are the things that are happening, these are the talks that have been happening, this is what's going on, instead of it coming up and then disappearing, you know, when it's not the emergency again.
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Rob: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Rob, for your public comment. Next, I'll come back in the chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, my name is Christy Boblett, and I am a parent of two Black children who have been raised in Sebastopol, ages 16 and 19.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I will start by saying that I did not send either of my children to Annalee because of the long history of issues with racism at Annalee, including lost, civil, you know, rights cases
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that were brought, the people who won against Anna Leave are not handling racist issues well. And the fact that my daughter was sitting in a basketball game watching and heard people making monkey noises at the players a couple of years ago, which solidified our decision.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Just being in this community with my two children, there's been wonderful things, but there's also an underlying system, an issue of racism in this community. 1294
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And building on what the last person just said, we just saw in this room that there's not a very coherent plan or communication between all the different agencies and leaders who are helping to protect the safety of our community. We need to have the police chief aware of what happened at Brookhaven. We need to have other community council members aware of what's happening in all these different areas, and what's happening to the families who live here, and centering those voices.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This community needs to become more comfortable with having uncomfortable conversations about race on a regular basis, and having people who are trained to have those conversations, talking to our schools, talking to our community leaders and our businesses, so that we can actually continue an active conversation about how we can actively work against racism. 1296
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And not just sit in our privilege here in this community.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your time, and I hope that we can actually continue this conversation moving forward, and have better transparency and coherence in our community to actually do something about this. Thank you so much.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I'll go out to Zoom. Margaret, can you unmute yourself, please? 1299
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Margaret/Gary: Yes. Hi, my name. Can you hear me?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sorry, can you see the timer? 1301
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Margaret/Gary: Yes, I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, go ahead, please. 1303
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Margaret/Gary: Hello, good to be at this meeting. My name is Margaret Howe. I've been a, lived in downtown Sebastopol for 20 years. 1304
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Margaret/Gary: I know that we call ourselves Peacetown, and I'm aware that this name alone cannot ensure a peaceful life for all. It's aspirational.
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Margaret/Gary: I'm not surprised, Larry, that there have been racist actions against community members, but I'm deeply saddened. 1306
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Margaret/Gary: As we've said tonight, so many people have said, we can't turn away from these facts. The latest action of some Annalise students behind the Safeway, these horrific acts, reminds us that addressing racist, discriminatory, and hateful action, it's an ongoing process. It's never a one and done.
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Margaret/Gary: So as a community, we're being called to address the actions of some of the students at our local schools.
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Margaret/Gary: what's the answer? I'm not sure. There's great ideas passed around here tonight, but I think if we get together, we can figure it out.
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Margaret/Gary: And I'm asking this… the city to take leadership and convene regular meetings with Safeway, Annalee, Parkside, Brookhaven, the charter school, the,
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Margaret/Gary: The other, the other Waldorf School Park, what's it called?
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Margaret/Gary: To discuss what steps the school and businesses are taking and can take to create a safe place for all students.
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Margaret/Gary: Our kids need our leadership to help them navigate this world where racism and discrimination continue to be baked into our country's policies. And even the president says horrific, insulting comments, hateful comments regularly. How are our kids supposed to act differently? We have to teach them.
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Margaret/Gary: So let's put… I really appreciate that y'all passed that resolution that was named earlier, but let's put some teeth in it and come up with a plan to make Sebastopol more like a town of peace and equality. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Margaret, for your public comment. I will come back into chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, I'm Susan Lamont. I do not live in Sebastopol, but my name is on the peace wall, so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I know lots of people in Sebastopol, and they've been talking about this to me. And I was, driving this morning and listening to KPFA, and there was an attorney on there who was talking about ending family court.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And talking about the harms that are done to young people and children through,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: extreme legal proceedings that have real serious consequences for children. And,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: she has written a book, and, you know, I can give you the… her name and her organization, but, 1320
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: other ways to handle this, then probably most of them are restorative justice. There's also a book that I read a number of years ago by a woman who runs an organization on the East Coast.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And it explains restorative justice, so… and how successful their studies say it is, and all the things, the ways in which it has helped people, because 1322
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, expelling a child, or suspending a child.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Or getting them involved in the legal system.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Probably sends them on the wrong path, not on the right path.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But restorative justice programs vary a great deal.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I know someone who worked with the restorative justice system in Santa Rosa who quit because he said it was so weak. And then a teacher in Petaluma invited me to sit in on a 1327
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: student restorative justice meeting, where they couldn't see me and I couldn't see them, and… Susan, you have about 15 seconds. Okay, I was… I was appalled it was so feeble.

So…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: it… I believe in restorative justice, but you really need to study the programs to look for one that's gonna be good, because some of them are not.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

I will go out to Zoom. Sarah, can you unmute yourself, please? 1330
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Sarah O'Brien: Hi, my name's Sarah, and I'm one of the residents, on Pitt Avenue, who reported the racist graffiti, to the police, and I wanted to start by saying thank you to everyone in the community that's reached out and
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Sarah O'Brien: shown a lot of support for us. We've had a group of moms that hang out, a lot of chalk and artwork that have been there to help make these kids uncomfortable. But that being said, I mean, just today, 15 of them were here, and 2 of them being those boys that were involved in that incident.
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Sarah O'Brien: I feel like Safeway should have some kind of restriction from allowing them on the property a restraining order, from the back of the property. I… I don't know, and we've requested the fence. That obviously got shut down.
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Sarah O'Brien: But aside from the graffiti abatement, maybe a special clause in there that when it is hate graffiti, that it gets taken down, like, within 24 hours. That was up there for… I mean, we ended up having… our neighbors had to take care of it, because it was just… 1334
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Sarah O'Brien: Painful to look at.
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Sarah O'Brien: But yeah, I mean, I just hope that everybody can kind of come together with a plan, and I do think Safeway should be held more accountable for this, and I do think, you know, this does need to be addressed in the schools. It's, you know, obviously a problem. 1336
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Sarah O'Brien: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Sarah, for your public comment. Next, I will come back into chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good evening. My name is Dena Bliss, and I live in Sebastopol and have lived here for 46 years. And I come here as a voter, and as a constituent for city council people. 1339
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And to let you know that there are many, many people that aren't in the room tonight that care about this issue, and that care about seeing something being done. If Safeway won't put up a camera, why doesn't the city put up a camera? It seems to me that you probably have some kind of…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: city property somewhere along Pitt Avenue with a street light or some kind of sign or something. If you can put, surveillance cameras up at the library, which you have done, surely you can do it at Safeway.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I want you to know that the citizens here
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: all of the people here represent hundreds of other people who would have also wanted to be here tonight to support the families in Sebastopol who do not feel welcomed by racist attacks in Sebastopol, and I also want to underscore
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: how essential it is for all of you to understand and become knowledgeable about how systemic this is. I went to a meeting at Brookhaven
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: months ago, and I know nothing has been done. So, this is an ongoing issue, and as Stephen has said, it starts in the elementary school and goes all the way up to the high school.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And it isn't simply the kids.

Obviously, it's the parents also that are indoctrinating kids in this kind of belief system. So I hope we will all take it seriously and do something as a community about it. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Dina, for your public comment. Next, I will go out to Zoom.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: M. Kelly, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Jim Kelly, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I will come back to her. June, can you unmute yourself, please?
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June Brashares (she/her): Yes, hello.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi there, can you see the timer? 1352
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June Brashares (she/her): Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Great, go ahead, please. 1354
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June Brashares (she/her): Yeah, this is June Brashares, and I just wanted to also offer my concern and support for the family and the residents that are living near Safeway that have been the target of these attacks, and that have
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June Brashares (she/her): Had to deal with these hateful and totally unacceptable acts, and, you know, as we've heard tonight, this is not isolated.
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June Brashares (she/her): So I think I really appreciate that the community is
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June Brashares (she/her): stepping up. We do need to treat this as something very serious and very important, and I regret that, you know, it's been slow to get to this point. I appreciate it's on the agenda tonight, and this is a chance for the community to
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June Brashares (she/her): in at least this forum come together and talk about this. I'm encouraged about the people that are showing up. I do see there is a role for the city to play as a convener with the schools, with the businesses, and so that we can look at what programs can we invest in.
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June Brashares (she/her): That will start with youth at a young age and going all the way up.
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June Brashares (she/her): How do we deal with this? How do we make clear what kind of culture we want in our community? And, you know, one that isn't just, you know, short-term fixes of punitive measures or, you know, putting up barriers. If this is deeply happening in our society. 1361
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June Brashares (she/her): We do need to be doing this hard work of actually having the dialogue, the meetings, the conversation, the connections with the school, and I think the City Council needs to be a part of that as one partner in the community, along with the rest of us. 1362
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June Brashares (she/her): It isn't often, like, ordinances or laws, it's more of programs and, bringing people together and that kind of attention that I think we need to put on this, and to be there in support of all our community members, especially those that are filling these attacks.

We need to be with them and supporting them.
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June Brashares (she/her): So, thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Jean, for your public comment. Next, I will come back into chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, my name is Linda Block, and I'm a parent and a family therapist who sees the incredible pain that this kind of intimidation and harassment from the hate and bigotry that's happening, affects families. It's…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the trauma is ongoing, and the… and just unacceptable in our town. I think I heard someone say that there's not a councilperson
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Assigned to this? 1368
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is that accurate? 1369
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would like to ask if there could be a councilperson assigned to this, so that the community knows who to communicate with and contact, and at least that could be one point of contact, even though… and then hopefully we could have one person 1370
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: from the police department, one person from Safeway, so that we have a team that is actually working on this.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Thank you for your public comment. I will go back out to Zoom.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And Kelly, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Can you say her name? I think it's Michelle. Michelle, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I will come back into Chambers, and then go back out to see if she's…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oliver? Thank you. Well, the Council just voted down a good neighbor policy earlier this evening, which probably would have fit very well for this kind of general 1376
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: it's a very vague agenda item, is what I was going to say, fundamentally. So that didn't work. So on the one… the city of Sebastopol, the citizens don't want cameras. That's also been discussed in this room a lot. So, cameras are the bottom here. 1377
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Except for this situation here. So I would say the solution with the cameras is for the residents on that road, on that wall, to buy Ring cameras or similar, and to record stuff themselves, because that way.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you can actually capture the people tormenting it. And then separately, I would say, earlier this evening, we were entertained by a guy with a balloon, naked, masturbating, twice. 1379
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: These people are trolling, and they want attention, so the more attention you give them, the more you have committees and people running around giving them the attention they crave, the worse it's gonna get.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, you know, I've dealt with bullies in the past myself. You ignore them, and you quietly clean up, and you quietly entrap them.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And you move on.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the more you make a huge, you know, very expensive hullabaloo about this, I would argue more and more kids will join in. Now, this is great fun. We control the city, they take us really, really seriously.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So I think this is, you know, a dangerous bit of ground that we're getting onto at this point. So commiserations to the people who are getting bullied. I mean, I get it.

It's very miserable, but this is a very clumsy way of dealing with it.

And as I previously said.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: generally speaking, the citizens here don't want any cameras, and they don't want a good neighbor policy, so where do we go from here?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Thank you for your public comment. Next, I'll go back out to Zoom. Michelle, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Michelle, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I will come back into chambers. 1388
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, I'm Gwen Fairweather. 1389
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I don't have anything prepared or anything, but what I can say from my heart and from witnessing everybody in this room.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: it is… it is something that has to be talked about within the schools and the police departments and everything like that, but we're forgetting that we're talking about actual people, real people experiencing these things. That is extremely disheartening. It's not just bullying, it is racism, and I do understand what your point is about, like.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: it is giving it more attention, and they do kind of, like, feed off of that, so I understand what you're saying with that, but it's a complete…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Disrespect to the actual community that it's happening to, to just…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Say that as, like, a general statement and not actually care about it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For you, as a police chief, you should be the one that's advocating to help with things like this, because these are your people.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The people that are doing these things are people that…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: are interested in your position, and are interested in your community specifically. And I'm not saying that with any type of energy, but I am saying it just to call attention to it, so it's like, it is important for people like you to be the people talking about it, because they're the people that will listen to you. 1397
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And to have people like us talking about it, it's important, and I support it, but the actual core of the issue, we're not going to be taken seriously in that space. 1398
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Not me meaning, like, Anyways, you get what I'm saying. The point is… sorry.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This is real people, and that these are real conversations, and it is just about having real conversations about it, and I think that, like.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Gonna give you about 15 seconds.

Thank you. I do think it is important for you specifically to talk about it. I do think it is specifically important for the principal to talk about it, and for these people that we have put into authority positions to talk about it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, obviously, there's things have to be done, people need to talk for all of the things, and it's just ridiculous, because this is real conversations, and I think that we all need to be doing better.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I would go back out to Zoom. Michelle, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Can you see the timer? 1404
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M Kelly: Can… No? Can you hear me?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I can hear you.
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M Kelly: Okay, right on.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: jump in when you. 1408
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M Kelly: Give me…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 30 seconds left.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thanks.
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M Kelly: So, this is just a question, is I'm getting the sense that 1412
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M Kelly: I, you know, I appreciate everything everybody said, but I'm getting the sense that there isn't a lot of expertise on talking to people about
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M Kelly: racial bias, and I just wonder how prepared
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M Kelly: City personnel, and possibly council feel in dealing with 1415
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M Kelly: Racially charged issues, and having, as someone said. 1416
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M Kelly: feeling comfortable with those uncomfortable conversations. And before leading meetings with these difficult conversations, is there an opportunity to train up yourselves in these discussions? And it's not something you have to respond to publicly.
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M Kelly: But I think these are difficult conversations to have, and could there be an opportunity for more training
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M Kelly: amongst yourselves.
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M Kelly: to have the conversations with community members, because these are big conversations to have. So, respectfully, I hope you consider that. Thank you, and sorry for my tech problems.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That's okay. Thank you, Michelle.

We will come back into chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Liz Finn, a resident of Sebastopol in West County for 50 years. What amazed me
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: What caught my attention in the newspaper?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Was the residents who were looking at the graffiti every day.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: They express the feeling that the community doesn't care.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And that really, you know, struck at the heart.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then, lo and behold, in my inbox was this rallying of the community to patrol the area during the lunch hours and after school. And I went out one day, and there were community members there, there was a family, the children were doing chalk.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There was signs up on the wall welcoming,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The community, what, you know, embracing,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the neighbors and telling them that they were welcome. And I think there's a very definite role for the Council. Some of you know I, you know, we… we have spoken to the fact that you've passed a resolution in 2017, Resolution 6127, 1430
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think some of the languages, 1431
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The City of Sebastopol, as stated in Resolution 6127, is committed to safeguarding the civil rights, safety, and dignity of all residents, including immigrants from all countries, people of color, people of all religions, gender identity, sexual orientation.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: People with disabilities in all vulnerable communities.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I think…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: this is the moment for the… for the Council to step into those words and see how they can be a force, 1435
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to have… To, to, whether it's, to initiate conversation.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Not through esta… yes, programs and all the things that have been suggested, and…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And it seems like the meeting has been oriented to the punitive area. Is that 2 minutes? That is 2 minutes. 1438
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Too bad. I… because I want… what I didn't hear is the involvement of the students, and talking them to directly. And I think the council could have a town hall, a meeting right here, where the students come, and you can have a dialogue. 1439
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Liz.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Next, I would go out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on this item, to please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, my name is Bronwyn Shears. I've been a resident in Sebastopol since 1970. I am biracial. 1443
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Growing up in Sebastopol, my sisters and I, as well as our mother, did experience racism. We were called many names. People didn't quite know what to think of us, because I don't necessarily look like a Black woman.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But I definitely identify as one.

One of the things that, with, all of this coming up, I read article in the, in the Sebastopol Times, thank you, Laura, and,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I read, our police chief mentioning, freedom of speech.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And associating that term with what was happening, with these young kids saying, these. To have a position of power, like, a police chief does, and to use the term free speech, and I'm taking it out of context, what you said was very thorough in what you said, but however.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To use that term and say that these kids are exercising their free speech, and you elaborated on other points, but that is what is going to be picked up, and that is something that can fuel
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: young people's thoughts that this is somewhat accepted. I know that was not your intention. 1449
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But the way that it was phrased, and that the term free speech was used with this hate speech, and that this was not a hate crime.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think is absolutely incorrect. 1451
03:31:27.680 --> 03:31:29.820
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think this is hate speech. 1452
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I do not think this is bullying. 1453
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think that, I am a trained restorative practices practitioner as well. Oh, and you have about a second. So I know that kids, doing, this kind of restorative justice and restorative practice.
1454
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I feel that this is, I'm sorry, I'm blanking.
1455
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I expect more from our leaders of this town.
1456
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: About many issues in this town, and it is not bullying. Rowan, that's 2 minutes. Thank you, okay, thank you.

Thank you for your public comment.
1457
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Next, I will go back out to Zoom.

If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment, to please raise your hand virtually.
1458
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers.
1459
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is there a way to see the timer from here? Because…
1460
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oh, I'll just put it on my phone. 1461
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thanks.
1462
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, my name's Megan Coffey, and 1463
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I really appreciate a lot of what was said today. I don't want to repeat what was already said, 1464
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I,
1465
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I really appreciate that people do seem to be at least starting to care. Maybe they weren't caring when they 1466
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: when they might… could have, but they're caring now, and I'm glad that's happening, and I hope that continues, and I hope that care turns into action. I do want to say that I, I do really appreciate the,
1467
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the resolution that came out, I believe,
1468
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Solman, sent it out to a group that I'm on.
1469
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I appreciate it, and however, I do want to say that I'm not in favor of having police involvement for four reasons, and I sent two of them to you guys, but I thought of two others after I wrote the letter.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: First and foremost, 1471
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: at least for me, and I know for many other people, no offense to you, sir, but…
1472
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I feel less safe when there's police around, not more safe.
1473
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think it would be really important to check with the community members
1474
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And ask, do you want more police hanging around your neighborhood?
1475
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: maybe they do, I don't want to speak for them. I wouldn't. That wouldn't make me feel safer. Second… 1476
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm running out of time already.

Second,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I believe that police being involved is kind of the antithesis of restorative justice. The whole point of restorative justice is that it's not punitive, whereas 1478
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Police, again, no offense, sir, you have a very important role to play, but that punishment… that's the punitive system is not restorative.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Third, I believe that, 1480
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: having police come in, kind of perpetuates this false narrative that society is too woke and is, like, forcing people to think a certain way, instead of that this is how we should all care about our neighbors and be compassionate and caring, and it's the only way democracy is going to survive. And, I'm out of time.

But fourth, really quick,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sorry.
1482
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: kids who do this kind of thing think it's cool to break the law and cool to defy authority and get in trouble, so more police means the cooler it is to act like they're acting. Thank you. Thank you, Megan, for your public comment. Next, I'll go back out to Zoom, and if there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment, to please raise your hand virtually. 1483
03:34:56.860 --> 03:34:59.199
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers.
1484
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, my name's Wendy Martin. I live on Willow Street in Sebastopol. I wrote a big speech, but I grabbed my grocery list instead.
1485
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I'm just here to show my support for my neighbors. I do care deeply about what happens over there.

I've been by there a few times. I want it to stop.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't know what you guys can do to facilitate that, but I encourage the Commission, the council, excuse me, to work with Safeway, work with the schools, everything you can do to stop this
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: horrible behavior in our town.

Thank you.
1488
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

Next, I will go back out to Zoom, if there's anyone on Zoom, to please raise your hand virtually.
1489
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment on this item.
1490
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, my name is Stella Scythe. I've been a resident of Sebastopol off and on for 40 years… more than 40 years.
1491
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I feel like a lot of people said what I was gonna say, so I'm kind of… I just want to make sure that 1492
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that it… things aren't worded like graffiti, like, I don't want the complaints from the… the complaints from the community was not against graffiti, the complaints were against graffiti that was saying Hitler was right, and…
1493
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: all the other stuff it said. So… and I don't think it was racial mockery, it was…
1494
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The community was outraged against the targeted harassment intimidation directed at children of color. 1495
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: On a regular basis, so I just want to make sure we call it what it is. We don't start passing ordinances against graffiti, because this is two very different things. 1496
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And,
1497
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I did… I was kind of confused about the… I don't know if I can ask questions, but… so from what I understood from… from Alex.
1498
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There would be a criminal… a police officer would have to give a criminal citation to somebody, maybe who was making monkey calls, or who was… who was caught in… doing graffiti, or, you know, stalking someone, or things like that.
1499
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So that citation would be… then that child or that person would be referred to restorative justice that Alex said, that had a pretty good reputation of over 16 kids going through it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It sounds like we're not doing fingerprints.
1501
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm just curious, they're gonna have a criminal citation in Sonoma… in Sebastopol.
1502
03:37:35.700 --> 03:37:39.939
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is that all the tracking? That's all that's going to be left there? Because for me.
1503
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't think that that's… I think we need to think about the kids that it's affecting more than the kids that might have a citation in Sonoma County on their record. I think that it would be more important to get them into restorative justice. I think it's been so hard just to get… so I don't know how us creating our own restorative justice system would really work.
1504
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment.

I will go back out to Zoom if there's anyone on Zoom to please raise your hand virtually.
1505
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment.
1506
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: CNN, public comment is closed on this item.
1507
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? Yeah, a question to staff. To Mary in particular, how much time was authorized already to get us to this point? Because, as was clear through my question earlier, we did not, as a body, bless the mayor to engage with these meetings.
1508
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But I want to hear from you, how much staff time of the police chief did you already
1509
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: spend getting us to this point. So, the meetings that I have attended personally with the mayor and the chief and Safeway and Annalee was less than 3 hours.
1510
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then my other question… I'm sorry, and I just wanted to add really quick, I'm sorry to that, we also met with the neighbors, so that was an additional meeting, so that was about an hour or so, so it was about 4 hours in total. Okay, and to get a formally blessed
1511
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Council liaison, we probably… this question to you, Alex, we can't probably do that today, because it wasn't agendized for this purpose. No, but you can direct us to bring it back at the next meeting. Okay. On the agenda.
1512
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I would actually like to do that. I would like to create an ad hoc for this situation, seize the moment, because it's complicated, there are many different tools that we have, and we need to think about it in a way that is very community involving, and I feel like an ad hoc is the right way to do it with a council member that is…
1513
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, officially involved, and we can address this
1514
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Systematically. Yeah, because it does need to go through some of the schools as well.
1515
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I think trying to, you know, accomplish a solution right now is not the right thing. 1516

03:40:01.500 --> 03:40:05.090
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? To follow up on Councilmember Carter's question.
1517
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Could you explain, Alex, how… well, could we create what was suggested in ad hoc? Could we do that tonight, or would it require an agenda item? And if it requires an agenda item, Mary, how quickly could we bring this back with staff's input about… 1518
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: how an ad hoc would be created.

Also, I'd want to know, because this is a constant refrain here, about the burden on staff, because if we're going to have an ad hoc, and if it's going to be one council member, I mean, if it were me, I wouldn't have it without a staff.
1519
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And if it were staff, would it just be you, or would it be the police chief? Because I've heard from the community, and I would not want to participate with the police present.

So, that's my question to you now.
1520
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So you can direct the… the agenda item to come back. The earliest I could probably, without having an agenda review meeting, we have that to do scheduling. I could probably say we could probably do it the earliest, would be the October 6th meeting, to bring this back.
1521
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It would be the Council direction at that time as to who would be on that ad hoc. We will bring back recommendations, and then it'll be up to the Council to determine who wants… who would be on that ad hoc. Okay, thank you.
1522
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So as an alternative to an ad hoc, it also could be a liaison that would work with staff, similar to what the mayor is doing right now, or was doing.
1523
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah.
1524
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I want to thank the public for being here. It's really heartwarming to see the community's support. 1525
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I've written down all of your solutions, because I think the community has the solution. So I've got, like, four… I mean, it's a small note here, but there's, like, four… let's see, one…
1526
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to… 4… 5…
1527
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: five and a bit pages of your ideas and solutions on how we're going to solve this. And I'm… I'm noting, 1528
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The restorative justice as something that you regard as a possible solution, as long as it's through a good program.
1529
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There were two ordinances that were adopted by Council that I'm not familiar with. One was 6403, I think was reported, and then the other was…
1530
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 6127?
1531
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I would like to ask that those ordinances, if those are the right numbers, be emailed to the full council.
1532
03:42:37.520 --> 03:42:39.829
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So that we can be aware of what they are.
1533
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I heard you say that… Councilmember, can you say… so 6403 is attached to the staff report today, Resolution 6403? 643 is… and then 6127 can…
1534
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, I have it. If you can email… I have that available and send it right now. You can email that to the full council.
1535
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then I heard… You say that… 1536
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To not involve the police, that the antidote is community, and not the police.
1537
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then another speaker thought that it would be good to involve the police, so the police was getting an educated.
1538
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And that this is an ongoing process.
1539
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: one of the ideas that I really like is the idea of training.
1540
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Training the community leaders for racial bias.
1541
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Because I believe that that can also be unconscious.
1542
03:43:40.160 --> 03:43:48.750
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You can have conscious bias, and you can have unconscious bias, and if you're in… in a leadership position, it's really good to…
1543
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: understand that, and I would think that I would volunteer my educational… I have an educational fund, I think… I can't remember how much it is, but all of us have, I think, maybe $2,500 in travel and education fund.
1544
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But I would volunteer mine for some education, but I would like to see that all of us, all the council, the staff, and including the police chief.
1545
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Maybe the fire chief all have this training.
1546
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, because I think that's a really good idea.
1547
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So thank you for whoever brought that up.
1548
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I just love the fact that the community has a patrol at lunch hour.
1549
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And that's so beautiful. 1550
03:44:37.700 --> 03:44:40.709
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think, you know, the idea of… 1551
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: having the schools address it, I'm… Sure, they've tried.
1552
03:44:45.680 --> 03:44:50.310
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I think they just… they need to do more. The schools need to do more.
1553
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I personally like the idea of 1554
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: asking Safeway to volunteer to make some of these changes.
1555
03:45:00.250 --> 03:45:05.670
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Because you're saying we can't force them to do it, but we could certainly write them a letter and ask them to do it.
1556
03:45:06.160 --> 03:45:08.669
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I think that that's one step. 1557
03:45:09.250 --> 03:45:16.250
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I would be interested in maybe contacting the people who do the graffiti cleanup.
1558
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And making sure that they're aware of this location.
1559
03:45:20.420 --> 03:45:31.040
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, seeing if they could be mindful of covering that up. I'm not in support of another ordinance, or a blight ordinance, or a graffiti ordinance, or anything like that. 1560
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, those are some of my thoughts.

Councilmember Hinton, do you have any thoughts?
1561
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I mean, it's a lot to take in tonight, and I would be… I would, I'm fine with staff direction, I just wonder what our availability is as a council to serve on another…
1562
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Subcommittee, and without the mayor. 1563
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Here for this item. Maybe she wants to continue, don't know.
1564
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: So I'm fine, you know, pivoting to staff and having them Come back,
1565
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: With information, I guess, on that. 1566
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: So, yeah, I don't… I don't have a lot to say tonight. I do… I do know it was noted earlier, and I've noted before, that the… the schools do have their own elected,
1567
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: officials, and, while we can certainly work with them, I do think that,
1568
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: you know, they need to take the direction in the schools, and we could take the direction, maybe, civically. So, that's my only feedback.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you.
1570
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Where do we want to go? 1571
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? Yeah, I'll go ahead and just make a motion that this item be returned back on the October 6th calendar, for staff's,
1572
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thoughts and analysis on the creation of an ad hoc, whether it be
1573
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I guess it would only be… if it were an ad hoc, it would just be one.
1574
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thinking through this, it's just like, whether staff would recommend it be an ad hoc, which would mean one council member, or a standing, which would require two. 1575
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No, go ahead. So, a liaison could just be one. If it's an ad hoc, it would be two. Otherwise, we would just have it be a liaison. That's fine. So, I would want staff's thoughts, especially around staff time, to be…
1576

03:47:38.540 --> 03:47:47.430
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Part of an ad hoc, and also staff's thoughts on including police or not including police.
1577
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And also, based upon the discussion here from the members of the public, like, what items you think are reasonable. Like, every time we create an ad hoc, we always have a scope, so I'd like to see staff's idea of a scope for that ad hoc, and then return it back on October 6th, so that's my motion.
1578
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'll second that one. 1579
03:48:10.940 --> 03:48:24.210
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Can we hear that again, please? Sure, basically the essence, that was a lot of words, but just to bring it back for October 6th, to have staff's thoughts about an ad hoc, and then also,
1580
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The participants, like, who of staff they think, based upon the community's input, should be staffed to it, and then
1581
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hours associated, like, how much the city manager thinks
1582
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hours should be expended, and then also their draft of a scope.
1583
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: for that ad hoc. Would you consider adding to that training for racial bias as part of that meeting discussion? Sure, to examine, training, restorative justice, those type of things. Yeah, I don't think we should limit it.
1584
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And could you add to that also, a request for Safeway to volunteer?
1585
03:49:05.250 --> 03:49:08.480
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, to ask them to step up with some…
1586
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: solutions. Yeah, I would actually hope all of that gets into the ad hocs actions later.
1587
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: scope. I was just actually gonna say that that could become a part of the scope of work. 1588
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
1589
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I just want to say, we have had those conversations. So, we have, when we met with them, have asked them about certain things, what they can… But we could put it in writing from the city.
1590
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Make it a little stronger. 1591
03:49:37.330 --> 03:49:41.120
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so we can make that scope of work for the ad hoc. Okay.
1592
03:49:45.820 --> 03:49:48.070
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I think we have a motion and a second.
1593
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oops, Councilmember Hinton, did you have your hand up?
1594
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I did, but Councilmember Maurer went ahead and added it, and that was the,
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: the bias anti… or, you know, the bias training that I do believe should be added to our training schedule for both full council and all management leadership within the city. 1596
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, are we ready to call the vote?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, so moved by Councilmember Zolman, and seconded by Councilmember Carter to direct staff to return with an agenda item to the October 6th
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: City Council meeting for creation, of an ad hoc committee, in response to recommendations for tonight. The ad hoc committee will have staff time, recommendation for staffing, scope of duties and hours, as well as a recommendation for training for racial bias for City Council Management.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I will also check with, just on a side note, checking with our ZRA to see if they have this program already.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Carter? Yes.

Councilmember Hinton?
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Aye.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? Yes. Vice Mayor Maurer? Yes. Mayor McLewis is absent. Motion passes 4-1, with Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zolman, and Vice Mayor Maurer in support, and Mayor McLewis absent.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Thank you, everyone, for coming tonight.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, so we will, we have additional public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Vice Mayor. So this is the opportunity for, public comment for items not on the agenda, if you did not speak earlier this evening.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: If there's anyone in the chambers that wants to make a public comment for an item not on the agenda, that was not addressed on the, and was not spoken at the earlier public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go out to Zoom.

If there's anyone that would like to make a public comment for items not on the agenda and you did not speak in the first public comment period, please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, there's no public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, do we have any staff reports? 1611
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No, we have no reports tonight.

Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Do we have any Councilmember reports? Councilmember Zolman? Just briefly, I would… I know you all got a lot of emails from me, related to the reshaping and the direction of the Department of Public Health through Nolan. I would really encourage you to at least read the last one about
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: there's, like, at the beginning of the paragraph, it's like, there will be a straw poll vote at the next time us electates me. Please read that, and then send it to Mary. Don't send it to me, because that'll create a problem. Send it to Mary, and I'll talk with Mary be…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: for that meeting, so that I convey the right stuff from all you into that process. So, that's all. Can you repeat what
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That was, again, a straw poll vote at the end of what email? It was an email. I think Nolan, the Department of Public Health, sent out today that had the documents from yesterday's meeting. If you just sort of scan your emails, it'll be from today, and then he'll say something about straw vote.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: at the next meeting, if you could kind of review that. Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to protect Brown Act, send it to Mary, Mary will figure out a way to let me know so I can show up at the next meeting, and not just speak on behalf of myself. It's not in the attachment, it's in the body of the email. Okay, thank you. 1618
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Anyone else?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Going once… Going twice, okay. 1620
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Meeting's adjourned. Good job. 1621
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, along with myself.

City Council Meeting - September 1, 2026
STEVEN, ARE WE READY TO START THE MEETING? WE ARE. CODY? I'M READY.

OKAY, THANK YOU. MAYOR, ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME?
I AM ABLE TO HEAR YOU.

OKAY.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, CAN YOU HEAR US?
I CAN HEAR YOU.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

LET ME JUST ARE GET MY AGENDA HERE, AND I'LL BE READY IN JUST ONE MOMENT.

THANKS EVERYONE FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

MAYOR, WE'RE READY TO START THE MEETING WHENEVER YOU ARE.

OKAY. I'M JUST MAKING SURE FOR CONFIRMATION. WELCOME EVERYONE TONIGHT TO CITY COUNCIL. OBVIOUSLY I'M ON ZOOM. FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO DO IS ACTUALLY

JUST CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING, AND THEN HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER, MARY, IF YOU COULD DO THE ROLL CALL?
THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?
HERE.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
WITH HERE.

COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN?
PRESENT.

VICE MAYOR MAURER?
HERE.

MAYOR MCLEWIS?
HERE.

ALL COUNCILMEMBERS ARE IN ATTENDANCE.

PERFECT. THANK YOU. SO TONIGHT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME REMOTE PARTICIPATION.

I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW I AM PARTICIPATING REMOTE UNDER MY ACCOMMODATION FOR MY MEDICAL TREATMENT THAT I'M RECEIVING TONIGHT. IT'S A NECESSARY THING TONIGHT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, I DON'T KNOW?

I'M PARTICIPATING TONIGHT AS POSTED ON THE AGENDA FROM A LOCATION IN BEND, OREGON. I HAVE TO PARTICIPATE BECAUSE I'M UP HERE TRAVELING FOR MY WORK BUSINESS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THE NEXT THING WE'RE GOING TO DO IS ABSOLUTE TO THE FLAG, IF WE COULD ALL STAND AND DO THAT. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

I JUST WANTED TO STATE. ONE THING I DISCOVERED LEADING THE MEETING THROUGH ZOOM. UNLESS SOMEONE IS ON THE MICROPHONE, YOU ABSOLUTELY CANNOT HEAR ANYTHING ON THE ROOM. SO IF ANYTHING IS HAPPENING IN THE ROOM, I JUST HOPE

THAT SOMEONE WILL COMMUNICATE THAT WITH ME BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LEARNING PROCESS OVER THIS YEAR. I CAN SEE SOME CHAIRS, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON THE MICROPHONES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT WE DO AT EVERY MEETING. THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL

ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE LIVE AND WORK WITHIN THE UNCEDED ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THE SOUTHERN POMO AND THE COAST MIWOK PEOPLE. WE PAY OUR

RESPECT TO THE PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE GENERATIONS OF THESE PEOPLES, INCLUDING THE FED RATED INDIANS OF GRATON RANCHERIA. AND THIS EVENING, JUST

DUE TO ALL OF THE -- JUST DUE TO THE CHANGES MADE IT IN DOING THIS REMOTE, WE

WON'T BE DOING THE HISTORY PIECE TONIGHT, BUT I'LL HAVE THAT BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PROCLAMATIONS OR PRESENTATIONS THIS EVENING. SO

THE FIRST THING I WANT TO ASK EVERYONE IS IF THERE ARE ANY STATEMENTS OF

CONFLICT OF INTEREST? I SEE HEADS SHAKING. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER, I CAN'T TELL

IF YOU --
WE HAVE NO STATEMENTS IN THE CHAMBERS.

OKAY, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE SHAKING THEIR HEADS, WHILE IT'S HARD TO SEE. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT OVER, MARY? THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO AS STATED, THIS IS FOR ITEMS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT IS A 20-MINUTE TIME LIMIT. IT IS A TWO-MINUTE PER SPEAKER. WE GO TO CHAMBERS FIRST,

AND THEN GO OUT TO ZOOM, COME BACK IN, GO BACK OUT UNTIL THERE'S TEN SPEAKERS. I'LL ELECT THE CHAMBERS IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? IS THE MICROPHONE PUSHED ON?
HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS, MY NAME IS MELISSA PAIGE. I'M A MEMBER OF

TENANTS UNITED, AND WE ARE JUST HERE TO ASK YOU TO PUT THE PERMANENT, THE ORDINANCE ON THE AGENDA TO MAKE IT PERMANENT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL GO OUT TO ZOOM. KYLE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
I CAN.

THANK YOU. CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
I CAN'T, BUT YOU CAN LET ME KNOW.

GREAT. GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING. I WANT TO BEGIN TONIGHT BY CORRECTING SOMETHING I SAID DURING

PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE AUGUST MEETING, AND APOLOGIZE TO COUNCILMEMBER HINTON. I SAID IN THAT MEETING THAT COUNCILMEMBER HINTON HAD MISSED FOUR OUT OF THE PREVIOUS FIVE SCTCA MEETING. WHILE I WAS MAKING THAT COMMENT, COUNCILMEMBER HINTON ACTUALLY ARRIVED LATE TO THE MEETING. SO I MISSPOKE AND I APOLOGIZE. YOU HAVE ONLY MISSED THREE OF THE PREVIOUS FIVE MEETINGS WITHOUT AN ALTERNATE PRESENT, NOT FOUR. BUT THERE'S AN IMPORTANT ITEM LATER

IN THAT MEETING THAT NEYSA DID MISS AFTER LEAVING SOMEWHAT EARLY TO ATTEND A SONOMA COUNTY FAIR MEETING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL HEARS ABOUT IT.

SCTCA REPORTED SEBASTOPOL WAS THE ONLY JURISDICTION IN SONOMA COUNTY INITIALLY FOUND OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH MAINTENANCE EFFORT REQUIREMENT. THE PURPOSE OF THAT REQUIREMENT IS SIMPLE. WHEN VOTERS PROPOSE NEW

TRANSPORTATION FUNDING, CITIES AREN'T SUPPOSE TO RESPOND BY REDUCING THEIR OWN BASELINE TRANSPORTATION SPENDING. SCTCA CALLS THIS A KEY ACCOUNTABILITY PROMISE MADE TO VOTERS. SEBASTOPOL IS INITIALLY 8% DEFICIT.

STAFF RECOMMENDED WITHHOLDING AND REDISTRIBUTING MORE THAN $11,000 OF

FUNDING, AND THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE SUPPORTED THAT RECOMMENDATION. BEFORE THE SCTCA BOARD COULD TAKE THAT FINAL ACT,

SEBASTOPOL REVISED ITS FINANCIAL REPORTING FOLLOWING AN AUDIT, AND REVISED REPORTING TO THE STATE CONTROLLER. WE WERE ULTIMATELY DECLARED COMPLIANT.

MAYBE THESE REVISIONS WERE ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE. BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I THINK THIS DESERVES A PUBLIC EXPLANATION HERE.

KYLE, YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS.

HOW DOES SEBASTOPOL'S FINANCIAL PRACTICES ALLOW US TO REPORT OURSELVES OUT OF COMPLIANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE? WHAT SPECIFICALLY CHANGED AFTER WE WERE THREATENED WITH LOSING FUNDING? AND WHY DID OUR REPRESENTATIVE TO SCTCA

NOT REPORT THE SITUATION BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC WHEN IT WAS UNFOLDING?
THANK YOU, KYLE FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL COME INTO CHAMBERS F THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS? I'LL GET THE GENTLEMAN THE NEXT TIME.

HELLO, MY NAME IS SANDY RUSSELL. AM I LOUD ENOUGH? CAN YOU HEAR? WE CAN HEAR.

GREAT. OKAY. I JUST CAME TONIGHT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU FOR

THE LAST YEAR ON THE ORDINANCE TO HELP PROTECT US FROM EVICTION FROM WOODMARK. ANY WAY TONIGHT'S COMMENTS FROM ME ARE BASICALLY TO THANK

EVERYBODY FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION IN MAKING THIS HAPPEN FOR US. WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I WANT TO WISH YOU ALL GOOD LUCK ON YOUR

RE-ELECTION. I KNOW IT'S ALL COMING UP, AND I THINK, YES, YOU'RE THE VICE MAYOR NOW. YEAH. WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN. HE HELPED

US A LOT WITH OUR PLIGHT IN LIVING AT WOODMARK AND FIGHTING EVICTIONS, AND WE'RE VERY SAD TO SEE YOU GO. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DID FOR US AND MARY TOO, AND ALEX. THANK YOU. OKAY. I HOPE OWE ALL GOT A COPY OF OUR

STATEMENT REGARDING THE ORDINANCE, AND WE ARE REALLY ANXIOUS TO BRING IT

FORWARD RATHER THAN LEAVE IT TILL LATER BECAUSE WE KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE

A CHANGING OF THE GUARD, AND WE REALLY WANT TO TRY TO MAKE IT A PERMANENT PART OF OUR EXISTENCE TO PROTECT US FROM FURTHER EVICTION PROBLEMS. THE THREE FACTS THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. THREE COMPONENTS AS TO WHY

WE'RE STILL HERE, AND PEOPLE ARE PRETTY AMAZED ABOUT THAT, THAT WE ARE STILL HERE AFTER FIGHTING FOR A YEAR.

YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS.

OKAY. THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS A BIG DETERRENT IN THEIR FINAL FLIGHT TO EVICT US. SONOMA COUNTY WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING THAT PRODUCED SOME FANTASTIC

DISCOVERY DOCUMENTS THAT WAS NOT ONLY ASTOUNDING, BUT SHOCKING TO ALL OF US AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE BACKGROUND.

SANDY, THAT'S TWO MINUTES.

WE JUST BASICALLY REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S HELP. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I'LL OUT TO ZOOM. MARY, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
OH, YES.

THANK YOU, CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
I CAN.

OKAY, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, MY NAME IS MARY MEIHAUS. I'M A MEMBER OF THE EFOC FINANCE COMMITTEE. I'M JUST HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE EFOC AND WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE AS THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. I WOULD WANT TO FIRST STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE CITY REPAYING THE $5.5 MILLION, IDENTIFIED BY THE GRAND JURY REPORT IN MAY OF THIS YEAR. AND ALSO SUPPORTED BY THE EFOC'S WORK.

I JUST WANTED TO INTERRUPT FOR A MINUTE, IF SOMEONE COULD -- COULD YOU PLEASE PULL THAT DOWN? SORRY.

OH. OKAY. SORRY, MARY.

NO.

I THOUGHT IT WAS TAKEN CARE OF, BUT IT WASN'T. I HAD TO SPEAK UP.

OH, NO. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU. DEFINITELY THE TIME TO SPEAK UP. I DID NOT NOTICE. JUST MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY COMMIT TO MAKING

THAT REPAYMENT OF IMPORTANCE OF THE MISALLOCATED FUNDS, ESPECIALLY THE $300,000 TO BE PUT BACK INTO THE ENTERPRISE FUND. MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE CRUCIAL

WATER INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIRS, ITEMS COMING UP LIKE THE PLEASANT LOOP AND NUMBER FOUR. THOSE ARE CRITICAL NEEDS WITHIN THE CITY. AND I JUST WANTED TO

SAY THE CITY AND COUNCIL ARE RUNNING, ESSENTIALLY RUNNING THE UTILITY DISTRICT. AND THE RATE PAYERS ARE PAYING FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE UTILITIES.

AND THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL NEED TO DEVOTE THE CONCENTRATED TIME TO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THAT FOCUS.

AND WE LOOKED TOWARDS THAT AS THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, WE LOOK TOWARDS THE

EXAMPLES OF THIS FOCUS THROUGH PLACES LIKE SWEETWATER SPRINGS, WHICH IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WATER DISTRICT OR NEIGHBOR WATER DISTRICT. AND SO FOR THINGS

LIKE THEIR MEETINGS INVOLVE LABORATORY TESTING, WATER PRODUCTION, LEAKS,

ALL THE INFORMATION INCLUDING ALL THE LEAKS TO THE RAINFALL, GRANTS, ALL THESE THINGS. WE BELIEVE THE PUBLIC SHOULD FUNCTION LIKE A GENERAL MANAGER OF THE UTILITY DISTRICT.

MARY, THAT'S TWO MINUTES.

OH, SHOOT. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS, IF THERE IS ANYONE IN C CHAMBERS? PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING, MY NAME'S STEVE EINSTEIN, AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT CHAPTER

8.25 OF THE SEBASTOPOL MUNICIPAL CODE, AND IN PARTICULAR, THE NUMBER 55.

INDIVIDUALS WHO PROTEST AT THE MAIN INTERSECTION IN TOWN EVERY FRIDAY

AFTERNOON IN SUPPORT OF THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO LIE AND

DISTORT AND SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT THE TRAGEDY THAT HAS BEFALLEN THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN GAZA. INDEED, IT'S A TRAGEDY FOR ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE MIDDLE EAST. THEIR SIGNS GROSSLY MISTAKEN DISTORT THE TRUTH

FROM THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS KILLED TO THE ROLE OF THE SPREADING OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES IS THEIR RIGHT. BUT NEVERMIND THAT. FREE SPEECH IS PROTECTED, EVEN WHEN IT'S HATE SPEECH. WHAT IS NOT PROTECTED IS EXCEEDING THE DECIBEL LIMITS AS SPELLED OUT IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 8.25. THAT'S THE NOISE CONTROL ORDINANCE. THESE DEMONSTRATORS HAVE BEEN BLASTING HATEFUL

LYRICS FULL OF DISTORTIONS ABOUT ISRAEL AND THE JEWS WHO LIVE THERE FOR MANY

MONTHS THROUGH A SOUND SYSTEM THAT WELL EXCEEDS THE LEGAL LIMIT OF FIVE DECIBELS. THAT'S THE LIMIT SPELLED OUT IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE IN THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL, SECTION 8.25.060. NEVERMIND THE HATEFUL LYRICS THAT PORTRAY ISRAEL AS A STATE OF NAZI PEDOPHILES. THEIR SPEAKER USUALLY BLASTS THE INTERSECTION AND EVERYONE NEAR IT AT 90 TO 100 DECIBELS WELL IN EXCESS OF THE LAW.

STEVE, YOU HAVE 15 SECONDS.

GREAT. TO THIS POINT, THE SEBASTOPOL POLICE DEPARTMENT IN A MISTAKEN EFFORT TO RESPECT AND PROTECT FREE SPEECH HAS YET TO ENFORCE THE CODE. I HOPE THIS

FRIDAY AND EVERY DAY GOING FORWARD OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL RESPECT AND PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF ALL OF US BY FINALLY ENFORCING THE ORDINANCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. IF THERE IS ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT. MARY, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
YES.

THANK YOU, CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
YES. I'LL BE QUICK.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO GO BACK TO THREE MINUTE COMMENTS. IT WAS WHAT, MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO THAT I THINK DIANA MADE IT -- TOOK IT DOWN TO TWO.

PEOPLE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE TIME AND ARE USUALLY CUT OFF. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNCIL TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY. I WAS HOPING MAYBE THAT COULD BE BROUGHT UP IN ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS.

PLEASE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL AND TO MAYOR, VICE MAYOR. AND I ALSO LIVE IN SEBASTOPOL. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH WOODMARK TENANTS FOR THE LAST YEAR AS THEY'RE FIGHTING TO KEEP THEIR HOMES, KEEP A ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS. I WANTED TO SHARE SOME SOFT TRIUMPHS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING OH THE LAST YEARS. THE

LEADERS HAVE BEEN ENGAGING IN SUPPORTING OTHER RESIDENTS ACROSS SONOMA

COUNTY IN THE MOBILE HOME PARK, AS WELL AS BUILDING CONNECTIONS WITH THEIR

NEIGHBORS, THEIR NEW NEIGHBORS, FARM WORKING NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE IN THOSE UNITS. I WANTED TO SHARE THERE IS A TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING AS THIS KIND OF NEW

STANDARD OF GOING BEYOND WHAT'S GOOD CAUSE AND REALLY STEPPING UP TO JUST CAUSE. SO I FEEL LIKE SEBASTOPOL REALLY SET A MODEL FOR HAVING JUST CAUSE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPLEXES OF 45 UNITS AND MORE, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL NEW

STANDARD THAT I THINK REALLY SETS THE TONE OF WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY HOUSING IS A HUMAN RIGHT HERE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUE TO SUPPORT. WE HOPE YOU CAN AGENDAIZE JUST CAUSE SOONER THAN NOVEMBER. WE KNOW THAT TIME IS TICKING FOR FOLKS. THIS COMPANY WILL DO WHAT THEY CAN TO GET FOLKS OUT OF THEIR HOMES. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE FOLKS FEEL PROTECTED AND KEEP FIGHTING IN BUILDING A COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, IF THERE IS ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT

WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY? SEEING NONE, I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. IF

ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE, MAYOR, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR CONSENT CALENDAR, I. I . I WANTED TO MENTION ITEM NUMBER 11 THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA,

WHICH IS THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING OPTIONS HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CERTAIN PEOPLE KNEW THAT IN THE AUDIENCE, JUST IN CASE YOU'RE THERE FOR THAT ITEM. SO MOVING ONTO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ THE ITEMS, AND THEN WE'LL FIND OUT IF ANYONE WANTS TO PULL ANYTHING. NUMBER ONE IS APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FOR REGULAR MEETING OF AUGUST 4, 2026. NUMBER TWO, IS

APPROVAL OF ADOPTION OF CITY POLICY REQUIRING ANNUAL REQUEST FOR THE BARLOW HOTEL TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX TOT REBATE MARKETING EXPENDITURES.

APPROVAL REQUIRES CITY STAFF PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BY MARCH 1 OF EACH YEAR

DURING THE REBATE PERIOD, TO FORMALLY REQUEST THE ANNUAL MARKETING EXPENDITURE REPORT FROM THE HOTEL OWNER. NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF NOTICE OF INTENT TO AMEND THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL CONFLICT OF INTEREST CODE.

AMENDMENTS ARE ROUTINE AMENDMENTS SUCH AS CURRENT JOB CLASSIFICATIONS.

NUMBER FOUR, APPROVAL OF SECOND READING IN THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE HAD TO ADD CHAPTER 5.66, NEWSRACK REGULATIONS TO THE SEBASTOPOL MUNICIPAL CODE.

NUMBER FIVE, APPROVAL OF NOTICE OF COMPLETION FOR BODEGA PHASE TWO BIKE LANE PROJECT. NUMBER SIX, APPROVAL OF NOTICE OF COMPLETION FOR DIGOUTS AND REPAIR PAVING PROJECT. NUMBER SEVEN, AWARD CONTRACT FOR PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ENHANCEMENTS ON STATE ROUTE 116. SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK, DOES ANYONE WANT -- DO ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO PULL AN ITEM? THERE'S NONE IN CHAMBERS.

OKAY. I WILL NEED TO PULL NUMBER TWO JUST SIMPLY TO VOTE SEPARATELY BECAUSE I PRECLUDED FROM VOTING ON THAT ONE ITEM. SO WHEN WE MAKE A MOTION, IT

WOULD NEED TO EXCLUDE NUMBER TWO, AND DO THAT SEPARATELY WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. SO ANY WAY, GO AHEAD, MARY F YOU WANT TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON HAS HER HAND RAISED.

OH, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T SEE IT THERE.

IT'S OKAY. I WAS JUST GETTING READY FOR A MOTION, AND THEN YOU REMINDED ME OF THAT PUBLIC COMMENT. SO I'LL HOLD THAT.

THANK YOU. SO NOW IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ONLY. IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, AGAIN, IT'S A TWO-MINUTE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I'LL GO TO CHAMBERS FIRST, THEN GO OUT TO ZOOM. IF ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL GO OUT TO ZOOM. KYLE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
I CAN. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR TAKING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO DO A POINT OF ORDER

BECAUSE BASED ON OUR ZOOM SETTINGS, THERE REALLY ISN'T A PRACTICE BY WHICH A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN CALL FOR A POINT OF ORDER. SPECIFICALLY I WANT TO

ADDRESS THE MAYOR'S ACTION OF ANNOUNCING THE REMOVAL OF AN AGENDA ITEM FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. WHAT THAT HAS DONE HAS REDUCED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON THAT ITEM. NOT

ONLY DOES THE PUBLIC NO LONGER HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMMENT ON THAT ITEM AS AN AGENDIZED ITEM TONIGHT. BY WAITING UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS

THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, YOU HAVE ACTIVELY RESTRICTED THE ABILITY FOR FOLKS TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON THAT ITEM DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO IN THE

FUTURE, IT WOULD SEEM APPROPRIATE THAT WE PULL ITEMS AT THE START OF THE

MEETING AND NOT WAIT UNTIL THE PUBLIC HAS PROVIDED US PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I

WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM EITHER THE ATTORNEY OR THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AS TO THIS PRACTICE AND THE LEGALITY OF THAT PRACTICE. THANKS.

THANK YOU, KYLE FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. IF ANYONE IN CHAMBERS? SEEING NONE, I'LL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. LEE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME?
YES, THANK YOU. CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?

I CAN.

GREAT, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS NOTICED, BACK AND FORTH AT THE BODEGA

BAY THIS PAST WEEK, AND I DROVE BY THIS NEW BODEGA BAY PROJECT, COMPLETED PROJECT THAT'S ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, A NUMBER OF TIMES. IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A $2.25 MILLION PROJECT. IT APPEARS THERE'S ABOUT MAYBE GENEROUSLY 100 YARDS OF PAVEMENT THAT'S BEEN RESTORED? THERE IS ABOUT 20 YARDS, MAYBE 10 OF

PROTECTED BIKE LANE AND THE PROTECTED BIKE LANE REALLY DOESN'T ATTACH TO A BIKE LANE. IT ATTACHES TO A PATH ACROSS THE BRIDGE ON ONE END. ON THE OTHER END, IT GOES DOWN THE BODEGA AVENUE WHERE THERE ISN'T ANY BIKE LANE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE THINKS $2.25 MILLION IS A LOT FOR WHAT WAS DONE THERE?

AND AT THE TIME I WAS DRIVING A MOTOR HOME, WHICH IF YOU HAVE EVER WRITTEN THE MOTOR HOME OR A BAD ROAD, IT IS REALLY BAD. YOU HEAR EVERY LITTLE

POTHOLE, AND BODEGA IS RIGHT UP THERE WITH THE ROADS I'VE TRAVELEDDED ON IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE LAST YEAR. SO THERE IS A LOT MORE WORK TO BE DONE. IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY, REALLY EXPENSIVE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. IF ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS? SEEING NONE, I'LL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. IF ANYONE ON ZOOM WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONLY? SEEING NONE. THE CONSENT CALENDAR IS CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU. AND ALEX, CAN YOU ADDRESS THE QUESTION THERE? I KNOW IT WAS

EXPLAINED TO ME THAT I WASN'T EVEN NECESSARY TO ANNOUNCE IT, BUT I REALIZED I PROBABLY SHOULD. SO CAN YOU, AS FAR AS THE ITEM BEING PULLED? CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT?

YEAH, THE POSTED AGENDA HAS BEEN REVISED, AND IT IS NOTED ON THE AGENDA THAT THE ITEM WAS PULLED.

I'M SORRY, ALEX. CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE?

I SAID THE AGENDA WAS REVISED AND REPOSTED WITH STATING THE ITEM HAS BEEN REMOVED.

AND WILL THERE BE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ITEM WHEN IT'S PULLED AND REVOTED FOR?
WHEN THE ITEM COMES BACK TO THE COUNCIL, YES.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE PULLED OFF THE CONSENT. WILL THAT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON THAT?
NOTHING HAS BEEN PULLED OFF OF CONSENT. YES, FOR THE BARLOW? YES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE GOING TO -- CAN WE GO WITH THE ITEMS? WE'RE ADDRESSING ONE, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, CORRECT? FIRST?
CORRECT. WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND.

OKAY.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION. FOR THOSE ITEMS.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON HAS HER HAND UP. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE HAS A QUESTION OR MOTION? GO AHEAD.

AS I WAS A LITTLE EARLY ON THE DRAW, I'M HAPPY TO MOVE THE ITEMS ON CONSENT AGENDA OF ONE, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN.

SECONDED.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, SO MOVED BY

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN TO APPROVE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN. NUMBER TWO HAS BEEN REMOVED. COUNTERCARTER?
YES.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
AYE.

COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN?
YES.

VICE MAYOR?
YES.

MAYOR MCLEWIS?
YES.

MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, ALEX, YOU SAID WE NEED TO HAVE A SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO? I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW HERE.

NO. SINCE IT WAS PULLED, PEOPLE CAN NOW, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

I THOUGHT THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT, NOT ABOUT COUNCIL COMMENT. AM I UNDERSTANDING?
I THOUGHT IT WAS ABOUT COUNCIL.

NO, MY QUESTION WAS BASED ON WHAT KYLE HAD SAID, HE CALLED FOR A POINT OF ORDER HERE BECAUSE IF IT WAS PULLED. COULD PEOPLE HAVE MADE COMMENTS ON THE ITEM DURING THE COMMENTS ON CONSENT CALENDAR?
SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT ITEM TWO ON THE CONSENT.

THEY COULD HAVE.

I BELIEVE KYLE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT ITEM 11, WHICH IS NOT A PART OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

NO, I'M SURE HE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT ITEM TWO, WASN'T HE? NO. LET ME CLARIFY. I SPOKE BEFORE CONSENT CALENDAR. I SAID ITEM NUMBER 11, WHICH WAS, JUST SO I SPEAK CLEARLY, WAS POSTPONED, NUMBER 11, WHICH WAS THE

WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING OPTIONS BEFORE I STARTED THE CONSENT CALENDAR. I MENTIONED THAT ONE HAD BEEN POSTPONED. IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME

BECAUSE THE AGENDA WAS REVISED PREVIOUSLY, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY TO MAKE A

BIG ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT JUST OCCURRED TO ME THAT I WANTED TO MAKE THAT

ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE WE GOT, YOU KNOW, INTO THE MEETING TOO FAR AND PEOPLE WERE SITTING THERE. I WAS TRYING TO BE COURTEOUS AND MENTION IT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NOT NECESSARY. BUT THE COMMENTER WAS ASKING WHETHER OR NOT THAT IMPACTED PUBLIC COMMENT. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING, YOU KNOW, ALEX TO

ADDRESS THAT STATEMENT ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT, AND, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE

ANY ISSUE WITH WHAT WE DID WITH PULLING THAT, YOU KNOW, ME NOT ANNOUNCING IT AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE MEETING VERSES NOW. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, VICE MAYOR, IF THAT HELPS.

YEAH. IT'S FINE. MAYBE I JUST MISUNDERSTOOD, KYLE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO ARE WE CLEAR? IS IT OKAY IF WE GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, MARY?
YES.

OKAY. SO I NEED TO REMAIN OUT OF THIS VOTE, SO SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON HAS HER HAND UP.

YEP.

I'M HAPPY TO MOVE ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO FOR APPROVAL OF

ADOPTION OF CITY POLICY REQUIRING ANNUAL REQUEST FOR THE BARLOW HOTEL TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TOT TAX REBATE, FOR MARKETING EXPENSES.

I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU. SO MOVED BY COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER

ZOLLMAN TO APPROVE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM TWO, WHICH IS THE CITY POLICY TO

DIRECT THE RETURN TO THE CITY COUNCIL REQUIRING THE ANNUAL MARCH REVIEW OF THE MARKETING PLAN FROM THE HOTEL OWNER. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER? YES.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
AYE.

COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN?
YES.

VICE MAYOR MAURER?
YES.

MAYOR MCLEWIS?
I'M ABSTAINING FROM THAT.

MOTION PASSES 4-1 WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS CARTER, ZOLLMAN, HINTON, AND MAURER APPROVING, AND MAYOR MCLEWIS ABSTAINING.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO OUR INFORMATIONAL ITEMS. NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS PRESENTATION FROM ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL ON STATUS OF

GRAVENSTEIN COMMONS, STATUS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING, AND UPDATE ON GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY OR AFFIRMATIONS. I BELIEVE THIS IS BEING HANDLED BY OUR CITY MANAGER. IS THAT CORRECT?
THAT IS CORRECT, THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO THIS IS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM AS THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY IS AWARE. THIS IS A 22-UNIT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING UNIT LOCATED AT GRAVENSTEIN HIGHWAY NORTH. THE ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL

SOCIETY IS THE OWNER AND THE DEVELOPER, AND THE CITY REMAINS THE HOME KEY APPLICANT WITH ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL. AS REPORTED IN THE AUGUST REPORT, THEIR CONSTRUCTION IS ABOUT 80% COMPLETE. THEIR TARGETED COMPLETION DATE IS AROUND NOVEMBER OF 2026 WITH THE MOVEMENT TO FOLLOW AFTER THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. THEY ANTICIPATE A 90% OCCUPANCY BY JANUARY OF 28. THE CITY

DOES HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT HAS BEEN MONITORING THE COMPLIANCE, AND THEY HAVE MET THEIR HOME KEY PERFORMANCE MILE ACCORDINGLY. WE DO HAVE LAUREN TAYLOR HERE. WE HAVE, WHO IS FROM ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL. WE ALSO HAVE STEFANI WHO IS THE CITY'S CONSULTANT, THAT'S OVERSEEING THE COMPLIANCE. AND I'M TRYING TO SEE IF JACK TIBBETS IS ON THE CALL. LET ME JUST GET THERE. I DO NOT SEE HIM YET.

BUT THIS ITEM IS TO DISCUSS THE CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS THROUGH THE REMAINING SCHEDULE. DEFENDING ANY AWARDS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATED, BUT NOT YET RECEIVED. THE CUTS, STAFFING MODEL. LAUREN WILL GO INTO THAT. THE

COORDINATED ENTRY, AND THE REFERRALS OF ANY WEST COUNTY OR SEBASTOPOL ELIGIBILITY. THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND THE PLANNED COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AS WELL AS ANY TYPE OF GOOD NEIGHBOR PROTOCOLS. SO HAVING SAID THAT, LAUREN AND ROBIN AND I'LL SEE IF I COULD GET JACK ON BOARD. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO UP TO THE PODIUM AND DO YOUR PRESENTATION.

YEAH, AND TRY TO KEEP OUR TOTAL PRESENTATIONS, YOU KNOW, TEN MINUTES OR UNDER. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEMBERS. NICE TO MEET ALL OF YOU. I THINK I KNOW A COUPLE OF YOU MORE PERSONALLY. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
YES.

MY NAME IS LAUREN TAYLOR, AND YES, I TOOK ON THE POSITION AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL ABOUT TEN WEEKS AGO. SO I'VE BEEN DRINKING FROM THE PROVERBIAL FIRE HOSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. BUT HERE TONIGHT TO JUST PROVIDE OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT

ABOUT THE PROJECT AND YOUR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WITH ANOTHER PSH COMMUNITY DOWN THE STREET, WHICH I'M DEEPLY FAMILIAR WITH. I THINK THE MOST

CONSTRUCTION FINANCIALS, BUT THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD IS JUST AROUND THE FINANCIAL GAP THAT WE HAD TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. WE ARE CLOSER TO ABOUT 90% COMPLETION NOW, AND WE DID, WE DID RECEIVE A $1 MILLION MEASURE

O FUNDING FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES, SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED AND GRATEFUL FOR THAT. WE HAVE ANOTHER $200,000 COMING IN FROM THE SONOMA COUNTY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. AND THE REMAINING FUNDS TO

COMPLETE THE PROJECT WILL BE -- WE WILL BE USING OUR LINE OF CREDIT TO COMPLETE THAT. MORE NOTABLY AND MOST, I'M EXCITED TO SHARE IS OUR OPERATION PLAN. SO WE HAVE, AS YOU HAD IN THE REPORT, TAKEN ON A PARTNERSHIP WITH COTS, COMMITTEE ON THE SHELTER LIST. THEY HAVE DEEP EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IN THE HOMELESSNESS AND HOUSING SPACE. I PERSONALLY HAVE WORKED WITH

THE ORGANIZATION, NOT WORKED WITH THEM, BUT ALONGSIDE THEM IN PARTNERSHIP FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. SO I REALLY HAVE A LOT OF TRUST IN THIS PATH FORWARD WITH THEM. CHRIS CABRILL IS THE CEO OF COTS, ALSO HERE TONIGHT, AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THERE ARE ALSO OTHERS IN THE

ROOM, THE DIRECTOR OF COORDINATED ENTRY, AND HUNTER SCOTT WHO IS ALSO GIVING ANOTHER PRESENTATION. MARK KRUG HAS BEEN THE CONSULTANT THAT SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW FROM PREVIOUS WORK WITH HIM. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANKS SO MUCH. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? GO FOR IT.

JILL, I HAVE A QUESTION.

YEAH, I DIDN'T.

YEAH, USUALLY I RUN THE MEETING, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS. BUT DO YOU NEED TO ASK IT NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO ASK IT LATER?
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IT NOW. IF YOU CAN ANSWER IT, MAYBE ONE OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS COULD ANSWER IT. HAVE YOU REVIEWED OR HAS ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL BOARD REVIEWED THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY? AND IF YES, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT?
I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD DID. I DID. AND THERE ARE SOME PARTS THAT STAND OUT, JUST AROUND PARTICULARLY AND NOW THAT WE WON'T FULLY BE OPERATING THE SITE.

IT WILL REALLY BE COTS. I FEEL THEY'RE HONESTLY -- I WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THEM TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. SORRY, I'M SCROLLING TO IT HERE. I THINK THE MAIN THING

THAT STOOD OUT WAS KIND OF AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD PATROLS AND BEING ON THE PROPERTY MANAGER TO PATROL THE SURROUNDING AREA. THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A BIT MUCH OF AN EXPECTATION FRANKLY. AROUND THE RESIDENT PORTION, I THINK THERE IS AN INTAKE AND AN ASSESSMENT PROCESS FOR ELIGIBILITY. ALL RESIDENTS WILL COME THROUGH COORDINATED ENTRY. SO THE OTHER LANGUAGE JUST SOUNDS LIKE LOOSE TERMINOLOGY FOR FOLKS THAT NEED TO FOLLOW A LEASE OF WHICH.

ALEX, SHOULD WE BE DISCUSSING THAT TOPIC WHEN IT IS ANOTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA?
YEAH, IT'S FINE TO ASK THEM.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE.

OKAY, I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.

SURE.

AND THAT IS REGARDING THE COUNTY OFFERED $3 MILLION TO YOUR ORGANIZATION.

AND HOW WILL YOU FOLLOW UP TO TRY TO OBTAIN THAT?
YES. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF FOLLOW UP ON THAT SINCE I JOINED THE ORGANIZATION. I HAVE MET WITH OTHERS STILL ON THE CALL OR THE MEETING, BUT I HAVE MET WITH LINDA HOPKINS AND TRACY ABOUT THAT. AND OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. I MET WITH HUNTER SCOTT, DHS, SO WE HAVE BEEN EXPLORING POSSIBILITIES AROUND WHAT WE CAN RETRIEVE OR CAPTURE FROM THAT $3 MILLION

THAT WAS COMMITTED, KNOWING THAT IT WAS COMMITTED BY A PREVIOUS DIRECTOR AND NOT THROUGH A LEGITIMATE NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY. SO YEAH. IT'S

BEEN A BIT OF A STRUGGLE, BUT WE'RE COMMITTED TO FINISHING THE PROJECT REGARDLESS.

THANK YOU.

SURE.

ALL RIGHT. ARE WE FINISHED WITH THE PRESENTATION? I'M SORRY. I CAN'T SEE.

I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ROBIN AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OVER THE CONSTRUCTION.

I'M SORRY. ALL I COULD SEE WAS THE SPEAKER. I COULDN'T SEE ANYONE ELSE THERE.

OKAY.

HI, ROBIN STEFANI FROM EIGHTH WAVE. I'VE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THE

CONSTRUCTION PORTION OF THE PROJECT AND ALSO THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE STANDARD AGREEMENT. AND AS LAUREN SAID AND INDICATED IN THE REPORT, THE CONSTRUCTION IS AT ABOUT 90%. AND GOING VERY WELL. IT IS EXPECTED TO REACH A TEMPORARY OCCUPANCY IN MIDDLE TO END OCTOBER PER SCHEDULE. SO THAT'S BEEN GOING REALLY WELL. THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF LARGE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE ORDERS THAT RELATE TO THE SITE. BUT IN TERMS OF ANYTHING OUT OF THE GROUND, THAT'S BEEN VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. AND SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH

OF YOUR TIME, BUT IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OR

THE BUDGET OR THE TIMELINE OR THE HCD STANDARD AGREEMENT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH I. APPRECIATE IT. I KNOW OUR COUNCIL MEMBER, ZOLLMAN HAS A QUESTION?
YEAH. THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. I REALLY WANT TO FOCUS IN ON RESIDENT SELECTION. I ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET AN ANSWER ABOUT THE GOOD NEIGHBOR PROVISION FROM WHOEVER WANTS TO DIRECTLY ANSWER THAT. FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT THE RESIDENT SELECTION. WHAT I REMEMBER HEARING FROM THE DEPARTMENT

OF PUBLIC HEALTH REPRESENTATIVES BEFORE, THINGS SEEM TO HAVE EVOLVED FROM

MY PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE RESIDENT SELECTION. STAFF POINTED OUT THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO ASK, AND YOU CAN REFER TO PAGE -- PAGE FOUR OF THE STAFF REPORT.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH ALL THESE QUESTIONS. SENSUALLY IT

SAYS THE CITY WILL HAVE SOME WAY TO PARTICIPATE IN RESIDENT SELECTION, BUT IT SEEMS VERY UNCLEAR TO ME ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT ROAD MAP WILL LOOK LIKE.

ABOUT HOW AND WHEN WE COULD ACTUALLY START PARTICIPATING IN RESIDENT SELECTION. SO WHOEVER WANTS TO ADDRESS THAT?
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT?
HI, I'M KRIS. NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY. I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I MAY ASK YOU TO JUMP IN ON THE COORDINATED ENTRY. SO MY UNDERSTANDING, ALL THE RESIDENTS COMING THROUGH WILL COME THROUGH COORDINATED ENTRY. THERE

WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR WHEN THE PROJECT IS SET UP FOR COORDINATED

REFERRALS FOR THE PROVIDER, CITY OF RECEIVE S ALL THE PARTNERS TO COME TOGETHER TO DISCUSS FACTORS AND CRITERIA. THE COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR SETTING THE CRITERIA, RIGHT? THAT IS UP TO THE PROVIDER AND THE OWNER, AND IT IS REALLY TIED TO THE FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THE PROPERTY.

SO WHATEVER WE TELL COORDINATED ENTRY IS WHAT COORDINATED ENTRY WILL DO.

I'M SORRY IF I MISSPOKE. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. BUT IT WOULD BE AT THAT

POINT WHEN SETTING UP RESIDENT CRITERIA FOR SELECTION THROUGH COORDINATED ENTRY THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE INPUT.

OKAY BECAUSE I JUST REALLY WANT TO BE CLEAR AS ANNOUNCED BEFORE. AISLE ROLLING OFF COUNCIL. I HAVE A FEELING OF RESPONSIBILITY TO MY COLLEAGUES, ESPECIALLY BEING THE LIAISON IN MANY WAYS TO OUR SHELTERS. I REALLY NEED THIS BROKEN DOWN. BECAUSE THE TIMELINE SEEMS TO NOW HAVE BEEN EXTENDED ABOUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE REALLY GOING TO GET KEYS TO THE DOOR. SO I REALLY NEED THIS

TO BE SLOWED DOWN AND TALK ABOUT TIMELINES, SO THAT STAFF IS VERY CLEAR TOO, AND WHOEVER TAKES OVER MY POSITION IS VERY CLEAR. SO THE ANTICIPATED MOVE-IN DATE SEEMS TO NOW BE NOVEMBER OR JANUARY? I DON'T KNOW. IF SOMEBODY COULD HELP ME. WHERE I'M GOING IS I WANT IT LITERALLY BACKED UP FROM THE DATE

SOMEBODY THINKS THEY ARE GOING TO GET KEYS TO WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CITY PARTICIPATION? WHO IS INVITED INTO THESE MEETINGS? WHAT INFORMATION WILL BE ABLE TO BE SHARED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL RESIDENTS? AND THEN ALSO ALL THESE

PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHEN DID THEY GET TO HEAR ABOUT WHO THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO BE? THAT IS HOW NITTY-GRITTY AND GRANULAR I NEED TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

TOTALLY FAIR. I'LL DO MY BEST AND ALSO RELY ON THE TWO OF YOU PROBABLY FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AS THE PROVIDER TO START MOVING PEOPLE IN. AND I'LL TRY TO BE AS CLEAR WITHOUT MUDDYING THE WATERS AS I CAN BE. SO OUR PLAN BECAUSE ST. THE ST. DOESN'T HAVE OPERATING MONEY TO OPERATE THE PROJECT. COTS DOES HAVE MONEY TO OPERATE THE PROJECT. HOWEVER, THE WAY THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE IS BY US ELIMINATING SOME OF OUR EXISTING MASTER LEASES, RIGHT? AND SO FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING ALREADY FOR SOME TIME, WHO ARE ALREADY STABLE. THEY ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO CLINICAL SERVICES, THEY ALREADY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH A CASE MANAGER.

THEY ALREADY KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO LIVE IN PSH AND LIVE IN THEIR OWN HOME, THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT WILL BE MOVING IN FIRST. SO IT DEPENDS ON ONCE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE AND WE CAN GET PEOPLE MOVED. FOR SOME OF THOSE FOLKS, IT WILL BE WITHIN THE FIRST TWO WEEK OF CONSTRUCTION FINISHING. FOR SOME OF THEM, IT WILL TAKE THEM LONGER. WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT HAVE DISABLING CONDITIONS. IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOMEBODY WHOSE IN A WHEELCHAIR WHO HAS LIVED IN A UNIT FOR 15 YEARS MORE THAN TWO WEEKS TO PACK THEIR STUFF AND MOVE.

RIGHT? SO IT MIGHT TAKE THAT PERSON 45 DAYS. WE'RE GOING TO HELP THEM WITH THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PRESSURE THEM. AND I ALSO WANT TO HELP ALL OF

YOU UNDERSTAND AND THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT IT IS A LOT BETTER FOR THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY TO TAKE YOUR TIME WITH LEASE UP. WHEN YOU PUT SOMEBODY IN A SITUATION THAT'S BRAND NEW TO THEM. ALL THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE NEW. COMMUNITY IS NEW. THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE ANYTHING IS. THEY MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR HEALTHCARE PROVIDER, RIGHT? THEY MIGHT JUST BE IN A

COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH. THEY HAVE TO KIND OF LEARN WHERE THEY ARE AND LEARN THEIR NEIGHBORS. GIVING THEM TIME TO DO THAT WITHOUT OVERWHELMING THEM WITH 21 PEOPLE MOVING IN ALL AT THE SAME TIME, IT MIGHT BE BETTER. EVEN WHEN LEASE ISN'T DONE UNTIL MARCH, THERE IS A WHOLE LOT

LESS DISRUPTIONS TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY IF WE MOVE IN TWO PEOPLE AND THEN TWO PEOPLE, AND THEN TWO PEOPLE. SO YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF FOLKS IN THIS

PROJECT WHO ARE FUNDED WITH DHS FUNDING AND HUD CONTINUUM OF CARE FUNDING, SUPPLEMENTED THROUGH MEDI-CAL FUNDING. AND THEN ONCE THOSE UNITS OPEN, RIGHT? ONCE WE HAVE UNIT TURNOVER, THEN WE WILL GO THROUGH COORDINATED ENTRY TO FILL THOSE UNITS, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GETTING ESTABLISHED TENANTS THAT WANT TO LIVE IN SEBASTOPOL. THEY KNOW HOW PSH OPERATION. THEY ARE VERY STABLE. THOSE ARE THE FIRST UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FILLED. THOSE ARE THE FIRST TENANTS THAT YOU'RE GETTING. AS WE HAVE UNIT TURNOVER, PEOPLE WILL COME THROUGH COORDINATED ENTRY. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING IN DID GO

THROUGH COORDINATED ENTRY, BUT THEY WENT THROUGH COORDINATED ENTRY FIVE YEARS AGO, TEN YEARS AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, RIGHT? AS OUR UNITS BECAME OPEN.

THOSE ARE THE FOLKS MOVING IN FIRST. I WANT TO STOP THERE AND TAKE QUESTIONS.

NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. WHO WILL BE THE POINT OF CONTACT? IT SOUNDS LIKE BECAUSE YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF THE OPERATING FUNDS. IS MARY REACHING OUT TO YOU

WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY'RE LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE IS MOVING IN, BUT YET WE HAVEN'T HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING YET? NO

ONE KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE WHERE I'M COMING FROM, I DO NOT WANT A REPEAT OF ELDERBERRY. I WANT PEOPLE TO BE FULLY KNOWLEDGEABLE. SO IS MARY REACHING OUT TO YOU? ARE YOU THE NEW CONTACT FOR WHATEVER QUESTIONS WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD?
YEAH, GOOD QUESTION. I THINK IT WOULD BE TOTALLY APPROPRIATE TO ENGAGE BOTH

LAUREN AND I RIGHT NOW WITH ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MOVE IN, SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, WHO WILL BE THERE AND WHEN THEY'RE MOVING IN.SO WE'RE NOT LIKE SIGNED ON THE DOTTED LINE, BUT WE KNOW EACH OTHER WELL. WE'RE WORKING WITH MARK KRUG, HE'S SUPER HELPFUL. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO END UP. I THINK IT'S TOTALLY APPROPRIATE TO DO THAT. I MEAN, COTS ISN'T FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF YOU. WE DO HAVE OPERATIONS IN SEBASTOPOL ALREADY. WE'VE GOT A PSH PROPERTY HERE. WE ALSO DO PREVENTION WORK HERE. SO HAPPY TO ENGAGE WITH YOU IN ANY WAY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR YOU AND FOR THE COMMUNITY. YOU CAN REACH OUT ANY TIME. I EMAIL REALLY FAST.

WE HAVE ANOTHER COUNCILMEMBER WHO HAS A QUESTION. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT IS OKAY IF WE KIND OF BOUNCE THE QUESTIONS AROUND AND BALANCE IT OUT? SURE.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
YEAH. I MEAN, I'M JUST TAKING THE INFORMATION IN. BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS WE

WERE NEVER PROMISED BECAUSE IT'S CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE WHO

WERE SELECTED THAT WE COULD LIKE PICK WHO IS GOING TO MOVE INTO THIS COMMUNITY. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE

THAT WAS -- WE'RE NOT HOLDING A TOWN HALL TO DECIDE LIKE GET FEEDBACK ON WHO IS ACCEPTED INTO THIS NEW COMMUNITY. I FEEL LIKE WE ARE TRUSTING OUR OPERATORS. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AGAIN BECAUSE I NEVER HAD THAT EXPECTATION.

I THINK WE ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE WITH THAT. [ INAUDIBLE ] I TOO HEARD THE SAME THING THAT WAS STATED EARLIER. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? IT'S HARD TO SEE.

LAUREN FROM ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A REAL COMMENT BEFORE WE TAKE THE NEXT QUESTION.

YEAH. I MEAN, HONESTLY I HEAR YOUR CONCERN. AS I SAID, I WAS INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF THE CONCERNS HAPPENING AT ELDERBERRY, WHICH WERE VALID. I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO HELP PERSUADE ANY FEARS YOU HAVE OR APPREHENSIONS. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF EXCITEMENT ABOUT THIS PATH FORWARD AND THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. AND

I MEAN JUST BEING, NOT TO BE ADVERSARY, BUT THE LANDLORD NEXT DOOR DOESN'T

ASK ME MY OPINION ON WHO MOVES IN. SO I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT A COMMUNITY MEETING MIGHT ENTAIL OF WHAT YOU'D WANT TO WEIGH IN ON.

OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER? I CAN'T TELL. DO YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP?

YEAH, I WANT TO KNOW HOW THE NEW EASES RESIDENTS, A, HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT? BUT B, HOW THE NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING IN, WHICH IS A HARD ADJUSTMENT FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ALL A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW? SO THAT THEY OWN IT WHEN THEY GET HERE.

I LOVE THAT QUESTION. WE ARE LIKEWISE CONCERNED WITH THAT, RIGHT? OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS PEOPLE NEED TO BE THERE AS LONG AS THEY NEED TO BE. BUT WE ALSO LIKE PEOPLE TO STABILIZE AND MOVE INTO MARKET RATE HOUSING, RIGHT? AND WHEREVER IT IS THEY WANT TO LIVE WITH WHOEVER THEY WANT TO LIVE WITH. ON SITE WILL HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGER AND A CASE MANAGER, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. COTS

ALSO EMPLOYEES BOTH THE ASSOCIATE SOCIAL WORKERS AND LICENSE CLINICAL

SOCIAL WORKER WHO IS ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY IN ANY OF OUR HOUSING PROGRAMS. WE ALSO HAVE A REALLY EXPERIENCED BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PERSON THAT RUNS OUR RESIDENTS. HE'S OUR RESIDENCE SERVICE MANAGER, SO HE OVERSEES ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE GENERALLY SPEAKING TEN UNITS OR MORE. SO WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF REALLY EXPERIENCED ON-SITE PEOPLE. LIKE I SAID, ESPECIALLY WITH THE FIRST

TENANTS WHO ARE MOVING IN, THEY ALREADY HAVE REALLY STRONG ESTABLISHED RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR CASE MANAGERS, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE -- ONE

OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY HARD WHEN SOMEBODY MOVES INTO PSH IS NOT THAT THEY ARE JUST MOVING FROM HOMELESSNESS INTO HOUSING. IT IS ALSO THAT YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH TRUST WITH THEM, RIGHT? IT IS REALLY HARD WHEN THEY MOVE

FROM STREET HOMELESSNESS INTO HOUSING TO GET THEM TO OPEN THE DOOR AND ENGAGE WITH YOU. YOUR FIRST TENANTS AREN'T GOING TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM. THEY ALREADY KNOW US. THEY ALREADY TRUST US. THEY ARE SELECTING TO COME HERE, RIGHT? WE SENT OUT AN INTEREST LETTER TO ALL OF OUR TENANTS AND SAID, HEY, IF THIS COMES TO FRUITION, WHO IS INTERESTED IN LIVING IN SEBASTOPOL? THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE PROJECT, RIGHT? HERE IS WHAT IT IS. WHO WANTS TO GO THERE? WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, HEY, I WOULD LOVE THAT, RIGHT? I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN SEBASTOPOL. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MY OWN UNIT. I WANT TO MEET NEW PEOPLE AND

LIVE AROUND PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE ME, WHO WANT TO ENGAGE WITH ME, SOMEWHERE I COULD HAVE ACCESS TO A CASE MANAGER SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SO WE HAVE ON-SITE PROGRAMMING. WE OFFER A, AA AND NA CLASSES AS PREDICTLY AS CLASSES THAT THEY NEED. WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE COUNTY PROVIDER. HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION.

COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN?
YEAH. SO THANK YOU, KRIS FOR BREAKING IT DOWN. SO WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE STABILIZED FOLKS THAN WHAT THE COUNTY PLACED AT ELDERBERRY, CORRECT? IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? WHEN I MEAN STABILIZE, I MEAN PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY ENGAGED WITH CASE MANAGER WHO HAVE WRAP-AROUND SERVICES? SO THEY'RE

GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE -- THE SELECTION COMPLIANCE WITH TENANT REGULATION. IS THAT WHAT I'M GETTING FROM YOU? THE FIRST GROUP THAT ARE GOING

TO BE MOVED IN ARE GOING TO BE STABILIZED COMING FROM OTHER LOCATIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY. IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT?
YES, THEY ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED TENANTS WITH US. THEY ALREADY KNOW US.

THEY KNOW OUR STAFF AND WHAT IS EXPECTED IN HOUSING. THEY'RE ALREADY USED TO US. WE DO SUPER FREQUENT INSPECTIONS IN PSH. WE FOUND IT'S REALLY HELPFUL IN

MAKING SURE PEOPLE MAINTAIN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THEIR UNIT, SO THEY'RE USED TO THAT TOO. SO YEAH, I THINK THE FIRST TENANTS MOVING IN. THIS WOULD BE A FIRST FOR US, RIGHT? WE'VE NEVER DONE A BIG TRANSFER OF THIS MANY PEOPLE ALL AT ONCE. THE FIRST FOLKS MOVING IN WILL CERTAINLY BE -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY

ANYTHING BAD ABOUT SOMEBODY MOVING FROM STREET HOMELESSNESS INTO

HOUSING, BUT THEY WILL BE MORE USED TO LIVING IN HOUSING THAN SOMEBODY

COMING FROM CHRONIC STREET HOMELESSNESS INTO PERMANENT HOUSING FOR THE FIRST TIME.

GETTING TO WHAT THE MAYOR WAS REFERENCING. THERE HAVE BEEN VARIOUS

PROMISES ALONG THIS TRAJECTORY, MANY, MANY YEARS OF HAVING SOME OF OUR OWN

FOLKS WHO HAVE FALLEN ON HARD TIMES FROM THE RIVER, FROM SEBASTOPOL. MY

UNDERSTANDING FROM HUNTER AND FROM NOLAN IS THEY'RE GOING TO BE SCREENED THROUGH LIKE THE BY NAMES COMMITTEE THAT HE'S SETTING UP IN SEPTEMBER. THAT'S GOING TO HELP POPULATE THE FOLKS COMING THROUGH COORDINATED ENTRY. IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT?
YEAH, DEFINITELY. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON THE COMMENT YOU MADE JUST PREVIOUSLY. WHILE COTS HAS NOT HAD A BIG TRANSFER OF FOLKS

FROM ONE PROPERTY TO THE OTHER COORDINATED ENTRY HAS FACILITATED THOSE TYPES OF TRANSFERS. ONE JUST SIX MONTHS AGO. SO WE ARE VERY WELL EQUIPPED TO ASSIST WITH THAT TYPE OF TRANSFER. IN TERMS OF THE WEST COUNTY BY NAMES LIST.

IT IS FULLY UP TO COTS OF ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL TO MAKE THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA THAT'S ALLOWED PER FUNDING. A PART OF THAT CAN DEFINITELY BE THAT FOLKS NEED

TO BE ON THE WEST COUNTY BY NAMES LIST IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR A REFERRAL IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO WE WOULDN'T EVEN REACH OUT TO FOLKS WHO ARE NOT ON THAT

BY NAMES LIST TO ASK THEM IF THEY'RE INTERESTED, IF WE KNOW THEY'RE NOT ON

THAT LIST BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T ASK FOLKS THAT DON'T QUALIFY IF THEY WANT TO GO TO A PROJECT.

AND IS THAT WHERE THE CITY STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO SIT IN ON MEETINGS? I'VE

ATTENDED MANY MEETINGS AT THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH FOR US ELECTED, WHO ARE TRYING TO SORT THROUGH THE ISSUES. IS THAT WHEN MY REPLACEMENT WOULD BE INVITED TO ONE OF THE BY NAMES LIST? AT LEAST AT THE VERY BEGINNING

TO HEAR ABOUT THE GENERAL OVERVIEW OF WHO'S BEING CONTEMPLATED TO GO THROUGH THE SCREENING PROCESS, THE BY NAMES LIST. AND AT SOME POINT, WE WOULD BE EXCUSED AS WOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT.THEY WOULD BE EXCUSED, TO GET

INTO THE REAL CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT NOBODY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO EXCEPT FOR THE CLINICIAN. IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT?
THE NAMES ITSELF IS PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION. UNLESS YOU'RE ON THE

RELEASE OF INFORMATION, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO KNOW WHO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO I GUESS THEN WHERE WOULD WE, AS ELECTED, WHERE WOULD MY NEXT LIAISON, THE NEXT PERSON WHO TAKES MY POSITION. WHAT EXPECTATIONS WOULD THEY HAVE TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS? SHOULD WE JUST ASSUME NO ONE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS?

IN TERMS OF SELECTING INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLDS TO MOVE IN, THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY UNUSUAL.

OKAY.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT THE JURISDICTIONS THAT WOULD DO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE VERY UNUSUAL.

THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH. SO AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER TO WHERE WOULD WE

HAVE WAY TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL MEETINGS AND DO A REPORT OUT OF

ATTENDING A BY NAMES LIST, AND THIS IS WHAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW WHEN AND HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN?
YEAH. THOSE BY NAMES LIST MEETINGS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO NOLAN AND HUNTER ABOUT THE DETAILS OF WHO GETS TO GO TO THOSE. BUT LIKE YOU HAD JUST

ENVISIONED WHERE POLICE AND THE CITY COULD BE THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING BEFORE THEY GET INTO NAMES. THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW THE OTHER MEETINGS ARE RUN ACROSS THE COUNTY.

OKAY, WE'LL WAIT FOR HUNTER TO COME AND DO HIS PRESENTATION AND ASK ABOUT THE BY NAMES. BACK TO THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. I'VE HEARD SOME INTREPIDATION.

WE HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER.

I'M SORRY.

WHO HAS MORE QUESTIONS. THEN I WANT TO GIVE ANOTHER --
SO SORRY. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. COUNCILMEMBER HINTON, GO AHEAD.

YEAH. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF GOING DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE HERE. I KNOW THAT -- LET'S BE BLUNT. THIS IS A 3-2 VOTE. AND I NEVER FELT THERE WAS A PROMISE TO THIS

COUNCIL THAT PEOPLE APPLYING FOR HOUSING WOULD EVER BE VETTED BY US, ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ARE NOT AND SHOULD NOT, IN MY OPINION, BE IN THE ROOM. I

DO UNDERSTAND, AND I FELT LIKE THERE MIGHT BE -- WE MIGHT HAVE -- THEY KNEW WE

WANTED A LOCAL PREFERENCE, IF THAT WAS POSSIBLE WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE LIST OF EVERYONE THAT QUALIFIED. BUT I JUST, AGAIN, WE'VE HAD A PRESENTATION, AND I

JUST WANT TO CALL IT OUT A BIT THAT I FEEL LIKE I DON'T WANT TO BE GRILLING OUR PARTNERS TONIGHT ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES. WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL, I BELIEVE. SO ANY WAY, I JUST -- I JUST NEED TO SAY THAT BECAUSE IT'S -- I'M JUST

SITTING HERE LISTENING TO THIS, AND I WANT TO DEFINITELY HAVE MY VOICE HEARD

AS WELL AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL ON OUR COUNCIL, NOT JUST SOLELY FROM A SINGLE COUNCILMEMBER TONIGHT. I REALLY HAVEN'T HEARD FROM TWO OTHER PEOPLE ON THE DAIS.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? I MEAN, WE'RE IN QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. I DEFINITELY HAVE SOME COMMENTS. BUT DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN.

YES. SO BACK TO THE GOOD NEIGHBOR. THAT IS AGENDIZED. I UNDERSTOOD THE

AGENDA REVIEW MADE THAT DECISION TO HAVE THAT COME OUT TONIGHT WHEN ALL THE PARTNERS WOULD BE IN THE ROOM. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR WHAT RESERVATIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT ADOPTING THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. FOR THE

PUBLIC, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IF WE DO PASS THAT TONIGHT, IT WOULD NOT BIND THESE FOLKS. IT WOULD NOT. THE SHIP HAS ALREADY SAILED FOR THEM. BUT I

WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY HAVE CHALLENGES WITH, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT TONIGHT.

DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT NOW OR WHEN IT COMES UP LATER? I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT NOW FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

COULD WE ASK IF YOU WILL BE HERE FOR THAT ITEM? ARE YOU STAYING FOR THAT ITEM? BECAUSE WE DO REALLY WANT THAT.

I COULD STAY. YEAH. WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU?
SURE.

YEAH, GREAT. THAT'S FINE.

OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE? OKAY. BECAUSE IF NOT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU GUYS CAN GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT.

I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD, LAUREN. DO YOU A QUICK COMMENT TO ADD?

YEAH, JUST ONE MORE BENEFIT OF COTS OPERATING THAT WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SAW POTENTIALLY AT ELDERBERRY. COTS BEING OPERATOR OF BOTH PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND SERVICE PROVISIONS. SO I THINK WHILE THERE WAS A

GREAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WEST COUNTY COMMUNITY SERVICES AND BURBANK ELDERBERRY, THAT IS NOTHING AGAINST EITHER OF THOSE ENTITIES. SOMETIMES THAT CAN CAUSE MORE TENSION. SO I THINK A STRENGTH OF THIS, WHAT WILL BE DIFFERENT

GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT COTS WILL BE OPERATING BOTH OF THOSE COMPONENTS. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS A POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT. ARE WE GOOD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
THANK YOU. THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION ON ST.

VINCENTS DE PAUL AND GRAVENSTEIN COMMONS. IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, IT'S A TWO-MINUTE TIME LIMIT. WE DO CHAMBERS FIRST, THEN GO OUT TO ZOOM. OLIVER?
THANK YOU. DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THERE'S A FINANCIAL SHORT AND THEREFORE ST.

VINCENTS DE PAUL IS LIQUIDATING SOME OF THEIR EXISTING BUILDINGS? AND THEN

THEY'RE MOVING TENANTS FROM THOSE BUILDINGS INTO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT IS READY? IT WASN'T VERY CLEAR ON THAT. AND THEN SECONDLY, DID HE SHOW UP? NO? OKAY. YEAH. AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN'S QUESTIONING BECAUSE THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAIL WITH THIS. PERSONALLY AS A CITIZEN WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE A VERY DETAILED PROJECT PLAN. ALL THIS LOOSEY

GOOSEY, STUFF DOESN'T FLY VERY WELL WITH ELDERBERRY COMMONS AND ALL THE

POLICE THAT TO HAPPEN AND SO ON. SO RESPECT TO COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN FOR ASKING PERTINENT QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, OLIVER. NEXT, I'LL GO OUT TO ZOOM. LEE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
YES.

THANK YOU. CAN YOU STILL SEE THE TIMER?
I CAN.

GREAT. GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

UM -- COUNCILMEMBER HINTON SAID WE SHOULD JUST TRUST THE OPERATORS. GOING

BACK IN THE HISTORY OF THIS, AND I CAN'T EVEN GET ALL IT THIS STRAIGHT IN MY HEAD AS SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTED IN THEIR QUESTION. I'M VERY SURE THEY TOLD THUS WAS PLENTY OF MONEY FOR CONSTRUCTION, AND NOT TO WORRY. WE HEARD TONIGHT THERE IS NOT QUITE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. THEY ARE GOING WITH THE BACKUP PLAN, WHICH IS TO BORROW MONEY. THAT WAS THE

BACKUP PLAN BEHIND GRANTS FROM THE COUNTY, MONEY FROM THE ACTUAL GRANT, DONATIONS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO RECEIVE. THE CITY IS AT FINANCIAL RISK HERE.

IF THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY, AND THEY'RE NOW INTO A LOAN, THAT SORT OF

SOUNDS LIKE THE RISK METER SHOULD BE TICKING UP QUITE A BIT ON THE PART OF THE CITY AS WE LOOK AT THIS. IT WAS ALSO PROMISED WE'RE GOING TO GET HOMELESS OFF THE STREETS OF SEBASTOPOL WITH THIS PROJECT. WE'D BE ABLE TO DESIGNATE SOME PEOPLE FROM SEBASTOPOL WHO ARE HOMELESS AND GET THEM OFF THE STREETS. WE

WERE GOING TO HAVE A SAY OF WHO WOULD GO INTO THIS, THE CITY COULD PARTICIPATE IN THIS. NOW WE'RE HEARING THAT IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL. IT DOESN'T REALLY HAPPEN. I THINK I HAD A QUESTION IN MY MIND. WE ARE THE SPONSOR OF THIS, TOGETHER WITH ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL. WE HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME STANDING, SORT TO SPEAK IN THIS, AS THEY DO. IF THEY'RE IN MEETINGS, SHOULDN'T WE BE IN THE MEETINGS? LASTLY, STAFF AT THE TIME RECOMMENDED AGAINST THIS IN LARGE PART

BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE ON STAFF THAT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THIS WITH THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE. BUT THE

COUNCIL, THREE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL PUSHED IT FORWARD, AND NOW THE CITY STAFF IS STUCK WITH IT. I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE NOW THAT THIS IS AN

ONGOING THING THAT THEY ARE OFFERING TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY STAFF. WHO ON THE CITY STAFF WILL THEY WORK WITH? WHO HAS THE CAPACITY? WHO HAS THE KNOWLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT? ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND MAKE SURE THIS WORKS WELL? LASTLY --
LEE, THAT'S TWO MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE, COME UP TO THE PODIUM. SORRY, I'LL COME BACK. THAT'S OKAY. GO AHEAD.

HI, I'M KATHLEEN RUE. BUT I LIVE HERE IN SEBASTOPOL. I'M NOT SPEAKING AS AN OFFICIAL OF OF ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL. I'D EXCITED THAT COTS IS WILLING TO BE A PARTNER WITH ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE THAT THEY HAVE AND THAT IS WHAT WE DIDN'T HAVE WHEN WE STARTED THE COMMONS IN SANTA ROSA.

I THINK IT IS A REALLY GOOD STEP. THERE'S A MAN I'VE GOTTEN TO DEVELOP A RELATIONSHIP WITH WHO IS UNHOUSED, AND HE IS HERE IN SEBASTOPOL. HE SAID HE HAS A SOCIAL WORKER. HE'S INTERESTED IN GETTING INTO THE NEW HOUSING. SO I AM

HOPING LIKE SOME OF YOU THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE FOLKS IN SEBASTOPOL WHO ARE EXPRESSING AN INTEREST TO GET INTO THE HOUSING. MY LAST

THING IS I'M REALLY PUSHING FOR GOOD SECURITY AND A HOUSE MANAGER THAT

REALLY STEPS UP FOR THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. SO YEAH. THANKS, YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I'LL GO OUT TO ZOOM. KYLE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
I CAN.

THANK YOU. CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
NO, BUT YOU CAN LET ME KNOW.

OKAY, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

I DON'T MIND DOING THE RESEARCH FOR YOU, BUT I WOULD HOPE COUNCILMEMBERS ACTUALLY COME PREPARED. BUT MAYBE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MISREPRESENT THE PAST. SO LET'S RETURN WITH WHAT THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL WERE TOLD WHEN GRAVENSTEIN COMMONS WAS FIRST APPROVED IN MAY 2023. ON MAY 16, STAFF REPORT

STATED, AND I QUOTE, THE HOMES WILL BE DEDICATED TO HOUSING THE HOUSELESS OF SEBASTOPOL. THIS WASN'T A VAGUE STATEMENT THAT THE PROJECT WOULD MERELY BE LOCATED IN SEBASTOPOL. IT DESCRIBES WHO THE PROJECT WAS INTENDED TO SERVE.

THE REPORT CONNECTED GRAVENSTEIN COMMONS DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE DISPLACED FROM MORRIS STREET. THE CITY'S RESPONSE TO LOCAL HOMELESSNESS. THE PROJECT HAS CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY. ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL, NO LONGER EXPECTED TO OPERATE IT. COTS IS INVOLVED. THERE'S UNCERTAINTY HOW RESIDENTS WILL BE SELECTED. THE STATE AGREEMENT REQUIRES REFERRALS THROUGH COORDINATED

ENTRY, BUT IT DOES NOT ANSWER WHETHER THE ORIGINAL COMMITMENT TO

SEBASTOPOL'S UNHOUSED POPULATION REMAINS IN EFFECT, INCLUDING THE LATER REPORTED COMMITMENT OF EIGHT UNITS FOR FORMER HORIZON SHINE RESIDENTS. THE

PUBLICLY APPROVAL DOCUMENTS DOES NOT GIVE THE CITY THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE. PROVIDING OVERSIGHT, FINANCES, PROJECT MANAGEMENT, REPORTING, AND REGULATORY COMPLIANCE. THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS OVERSIGHT OF THE TENANT SELECTION POLICY. SO I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL TO ANSWER THESE THREE QUESTIONS.

FIRST, DOES THE ORIGINAL PROMISE THAT THESE HOMES WOULD BE DEDICATED TO SEBASTOPOL'S UNHOUSED POPULATION REMAIN OPERATIVE? SECOND, WHAT WRITTEN AGREEMENT BINDS COTS TO THAT PROMISE AND TO THE EIGHT-UNIT COMMITMENT?

THIRD, WILL THE CITY REQUIRE THE TENANT SELECTION PLAN ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA

AND REFERRAL PROCESS TO PRESENT, TO BE PRESENTED PUBLICLY BEFORE LEASE UP BEGINS? THIS ISN'T ABOUT CHOOSING INDIVIDUAL TENANTS. IT'S ABOUT ENSURING A

PROJECT APPROVED ON ONE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING IS NOT QUIETLY OPERATED UNDER A MATERIALLY DIFFERENT ONE.

KYLE, YOU'VE GOT TEN SECONDS.

THAT IS SO FAMILIAR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. IF THERE IS ANYONE IN CHAMBERS. PLEASE?
THANK YOU, COTS, THANK YOU, COUNCIL. WHEN WE COME TO THE GOOD NEIGHBOR

POLICY, I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TENANT INVOLVEMENT. BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT INPUT THE TENANTS CAN HAVE. I APPRECIATE THE LESSONS LEARNED AND THE MISTAKES MADE FROM THE PAST. BUT I WANT TO KNOW GOING FORWARD, WHAT MODELS CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IT IN TERMS OF TENANT PARTICIPATION? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. IF THERE

IS ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION FROM GRAVENSTEIN COMMONS? SEEING NONE. I'LL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS. IF ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED ON THIS ITEM.

OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE BACK AT THE DAIS FOR COUNCIL COMMENTS. IF ANYONE WANTS TO GO FIRST? VICE MAYOR?
YES. I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL DIRECTOR AND THE COTS GROUP FOR YOUR ENGAGEMENT WITH EACH OTHER. I'M REALLY EXCITED. I THINK THE

EXPERIENCE IS JUST OOZING OUT OF COTS, SO I'M REALLY, REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THAT PARTNERSHIP. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TO PRESENT TO US TONIGHT, AND BEARING WITH THE QUESTIONS AND THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS AS WELL. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? AM I MISSING ANYONE? OKAY.

I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE IN CHAMBERS.

I'M SORRY, COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN HAS HIS HAND UP.

NO, IT SOUNDS LIKE I WAS TALKING TOO MUCH. I WAS EXPECTING SOMEONE ELSE TO CHIME IN. NO ONE ELSE IS CHIMING IN.

I WILL AFTER YOU'RE FINISHED, SO GO AHEAD.

YEAH, BUT NO. I MEAN, I WAS VERY PLEASANTLY SURPRISED, SHOCKED, BUT PLEASANTLY SURPRISED THAT COTS WAS SELECTED AS THE OPERATOR. I DO HAVE A LOT

OF CONFIDENCE IN KRIS, IN PARTICULAR, AND COTS BECAUSE KRIS IS BORN WITH ME

AFTER THE WHOLE FALLOUT AT ELDERBERRY, MANY, MANY COFFEES, MANY, MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE FACT THESE PEOPLE ARE VULNERABLE. I WISH THEY WERE ALL OFF ON OUR STREET OR ONE OF OUR OWN THAT HAS FALLEN ON HARD TIME. BUT THAT WAS NOT THE REPRESENTATION EARLY ON BY ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL. I'LL BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. THEY DID MAKE PROMISES, AND IT'S NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH

STATE LAW, AND HUNTER'S BACK THERE, AND HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT NONE OF THAT MADE ANY SENSE. THE FACT YOU CAN'T PROMISE ANYTHING THAT VIOLATES STATE LAW. STATE LAW REQUIRES THEM TO GO THROUGH COORDINATED ENTRY. BY NAMES LIST, ALL OF THAT. SO I'M REALLY SORRY BECAUSE ONE OPERATOR

COULDN'T GET IT TOGETHER THAT THIS COMMUNITY WENT THROUGH THE STRESS THAT IT DID. BUT NOW WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE CLEAR ON THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.

WE HAVE HUNTER. NOW WE HAVE KRIS, AND KRIS, I THINK WILL BE VERY ACCESSIBLE WHEN SHE SAYS SHE IS, SHE WILL BE. SO MARY, I THINK WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE

CONFIDENCE THAT WHEN SHE GETS MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS, NOT EVEN COMPLAINTS, BUT CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON. I SAW A MOVING TRUCK. I

KNOW, NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO FEEL, I THINK IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE WANT TO SELECT PEOPLE. I THINK WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED AND CARE FOR THEM THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN, RESPECTING THEIR CONFIDENTIALITY RIGHTS, RIGHT? WE WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL. JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE FROM HABITAT. WE WANT THEM TO FEEL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, RIGHT? BUT THERE IS THAT RESIDUAL CONCERN THAT

WE'VE BEEN PLACED IN SITUATIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN GREAT, NOT BEEN GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND CERTAINLY NOT GREAT FOR ANY OF US SITTING UP HERE, RIGHT?

SO I AM THRILLED THAT KRIS IS TAKING OVER, COTS IS TAKING OVER, AND I DO REALLY FEEL HOPEFUL OVERALL WITH THIS PROJECT. I THINK THE REST OF IT, AS FAR AS THE

TIMELINE, I REALLY AM HOPING THAT WHEN HUNTER COMES UP, HE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT WHEN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WILL TAKE PLACE. WHEN THE BY NAMES LIST WILL ACTUALLY START HAPPENING IN THOSE MEETINGS. SO WHETHER IT IS ME OR

WHOEVER TAKES MY POSITION WILL KNOW AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, WHERE ARE WE INVITED TO? WHAT MEETINGS ARE WE INVITED TO? WHAT MEETINGS ARE WE NOT INVITED TO, SO WE CAN EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC. WE CAN ACTUALLY LISTEN AND TRY TO IMPLEMENT YOUR CONCERNS. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, AND I AM THRILLED. I'M REALLY VERY RELIEVED. WHEN I READ THIS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THEY WERE TAKING OVER. SO IT IS WEIRD IN AND OF ITSELF. BUT NONETHELESS, I AM DELIGHTED, SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO MAKE JUST REGARDING SOME OTHER COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS. IT WAS A DIVIDED COUNCIL ON THIS.WE DID HAVE -- WE HAVE HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN ELDERBERRY COMMONS. WHEN YOU SPEAK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS. ELDERBERRY COMMONS IS MY NEIGHBOR. IT'S RIGHT IN THE SAME PARKING LOT. SO I HAVE HAD FRONT ROW SEAT TO WHAT HAS GONE ON THERE. WHEN YOU ASK ABOUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE LYING AROUND. THAT'S BECAUSE A WOMAN HAS LAID IN THE PARKING LOT AND

IN THE SIDEWALK FOR DAYS ON END, AND THE PEOPLE WHO MANAGE THAT PROPERTY SAYS IT IS NOT THEIR PROBLEM. WE SHOULD NOT TREAT HUMANS LIKE THAT. EVERYONE ELSE IS CALLING, TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF IT. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE RUNNING

THAT SITE WERE NOT TAKING CARE OF THOSE PEOPLE, AND THAT IS NOT HOW WE SHOULD TREAT PEOPLE. ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING ARE NOT UNFOUNDED.

IT'S BECAUSE OF CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE'VE HAD. IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BE ANYTHING, IT'S JUST BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE WE HAD.

AND NOT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, PART OF ALL OF THIS. AND WE RECEIVE A LOT OF COMMUNICATION. I PERSONALLY HAVE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME DEALING WITH THE ELDERBERRY COMMON ISSUES. SO I THINK ALL OF THESE ARE

FOUNDED, AND I KNOW WE'RE DIVIDED, AND WE HAVE SOME OF US WHO HAVE GREAT

QUESTIONS, A GREAT AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS, AND I THINK WE ALL JUST DESERVE TO HAVE THAT VOICE. BECAUSE WE DON'T ALL AGREE ON THIS. WHILE, YOU KNOW, THE

DECISION WAS MADE, WE ALSO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE ELECTED TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS. AND TO TRY TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND MAKE

CERTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE BRINGING THERE ARE GOING TO

BE TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING AT ELDERBERRY COMMONS ALL THE TIME. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IS WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. PEOPLE DO NEED TO BE TREATED APPROPRIATELY. AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH COTS. FOR ME, IT IS TRUST, BUT VERIFY. AND FOR THE FUTURE, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE REPORTS ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING. I DO NOT LIVE IN THAT PARKING LOT LIKE I DO WITH THE OTHER PIECE.

AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT A FEW MEETINGS AGO, WE HAD A REPORT FROM THE POLICE CHIEF THAT AGAIN, ELDERBERRY COMMONS. 1% OF OUR POPULATION IS UTILIZING 25% OF OUR POLICE FORCE TIME. SO IT IS A VERY REAL CONCERN FOR OUR

COMMUNITY, AND WE HAVE A VERY SMALL BUDGET, AND WE'RE VERY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSTANTLY TIGHT WITH THAT. WE'VE HAD A FISCAL EMERGENCY. SO I JUST

WANTED TO SAY ALL OF THIS IS COMING FROM A PLACE OF WE ARE ALL ELECTED TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THE PRESENTATION. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE FROM MY SCREEN. MARY? NO. THERE'S NO WIN ELSE ON COUNCIL. SO THIS WILL CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION FROM ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL AND COTS, AND ROBIN. WE CAN GO ONTO OUR NEXT ITEM.

PERFECT. SORRY. I CAN'T SEE EVERYTHING. IT'S A LITTLE BLURRY ON THE SCREEN. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ONTO ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE'RE GOING TO GO CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY.

GUIDELINES DESIGNED TO BALANCE DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS OPERATIONS, AND SOCIAL SERVICES WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THEY

ADDRESS NUANCES LIKE NOISE, TRASH, AND TRAFFIC, OFTEN REQUIRING BUSINESSES OR

SERVICE PROVIDERS TO IMPLEMENT SECURITY, CONTACT LINES, AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO FOSTER ACCOUNTABILITY AND REDUCE CONFLICT. THE PROPOSED COUNTY STANDARDS ARE DUE TO BE APPROVED AFTER ONE MORE REVIEW. AND I THINK WHO IS DOING THIS? IT IS OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

YES, MAYOR. I CAN.

I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SEE YOU.

NO PROBLEM. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. SO AS MAYOR MENTIONED TO YOU TONIGHT,

IT'S AN ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH A GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY FOR OUR NEW AND FUTURE

CITY SPONSORED HOUSING THE COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION WAS WORKING ON BROADER STANDARDS FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FACILITIES. SO WE PAUSE THAT TO SEE WHAT THEY WOULD BE COMING UP WITH. THEY HAVE DRAFT POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN PREPARED. I WOULD SAY THOSE ARE MUCH BROADER AND COVER MUCH MORE ISSUES

THAN JUST SORT OF GOOD NEIGHBORS THAT ALSO DEAL WITH SORT OF THE WHOLE OPERATION OF PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FACILITY. THIS IS REALLY JUST FOCUSED ON THE INTERACTION WITH THE OUTSIDE COMMUNITY. YOU'VE HEARD

TONIGHT AND OTHER ITEMS ABOUT HOW DO WE DEAL WITH INTERNALLY WITH RESIDENTS AND HEARING THEIR COMPLAINTS. YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS ARE TENANTS AT THE FACILITY. THIS POLICY DOESN'T DEAL WITH THAT. THIS IS JUST ABOUT

EXPECTATIONS FOR INTERNAL, EXCUSE ME, EXTERNAL SORT OF OPERATIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS. IT APPLIES TO NEW CITY SPONSORED HOUSING PROJECTS. SO A

PROJECT IS CITY SPONSORED AND IF WE ARE CO-APPLICANT FOR SOMETHING LIKE WE ARE, LIKE WE WERE WITH GRAVENSTEIN COMMONS. WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT THEY AGREE TO THIS AS A CONDITION OF US BEING A COAPPLICANT. SIMILARLY IF EVER IN THE

FUTURE WE DECIDE TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO A PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WE

WILL BE REQUIRING THEM AS A CONDITION OF TAKING OUR FUNDING, AGREEING TO THESE POLICIES. AND THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE WE CAN IMPOSE IT. LIKE IF THERE IS A REQUEST FOR ZONING CHANGE OR SOMETHING TO ALLOW THAT.

BUT OTHERWISE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO IMPOSE THESE REQUIREMENTS OR PROJECTS, OR AT LEAST THE FULL RANGE OF PROJECTS. THAT'S OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF

OUR LAND USE AUTHORITY, WHICH AMONG OTHER THINGS REQUIRES US TO TREAT

THESE PROJECTS THE SAME AS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROJECT, THE SAME AS ANY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT. SO WE CAN IMPOSE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS ON THAT. AND WE CAN'T REQUIRE MUCH OF WHAT WE WERE REQUIRING HERE FOR JUST A RUN OF THE MILL MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING PROJECT. THERE ARE SOME

HERE THAT WE COULD PROBABLY REQUIRE ANY PROJECT TO DO, YOU KNOW, POST A

POINT OF CONTACT, YOU KNOW, ON SITE. WE COULD PROBABLY REQUIRE THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING TO DO THAT AS WELL. BUT THIS HAS OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN IT AS WELL. SO IT REQUIRES SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS DURING THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE AND DURING ACTIVITIES. IT REQUIRES -- EXCUSE ME, THE HOUSING PROVIDERS TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE RULES THEY REQUIRE THE TENANTS TO SIGN THAT. THAT IS VERY COMMON

REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS IN AN ORDINANCE OR NOT, AND TO DO AN ORIENTATION ABOUT THOSE RULES WITH TENANTS. BUT THE MORE DETAILED REQUIREMENTS WILL COME LATER ABOUT THE OPERATION. THE NEIGHBORHOOD PATROLS, HAVING THEM

PATROL THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, YOU KNOW, FIND RESIDENTS THAT MAY BE

OBSTRUCTING SIDEWALKS OR, YOU KNOW, ENGAGING IN BEHAVIORS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC OR ENCOURAGING THEM TO STOP OR COME BACK TO THE FACILITY. AND,

YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THEY ARE ALSO MAKING SURE THE PROJECT WILL BE KEPT CLEAN. AND THEN THERE IS ALSO SOME REQUIREMENTS ABOUT COMMUNITY

ENGAGEMENT, MAINTAINING CONTACT, PHONE NUMBER, E-MAIL, THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. ACKNOWLEDGING WHEN COMPLAINTS ARE RECEIVED. PROVIDING, YOU

KNOW, SORT OF DOCUMENTATION AND RECORDKEEPING ABOUT HOW COMPLAINTS ARE HANDLED IF THEY WERE ABLE TO BE ADDRESSED OR NOT. MAKING IT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. AND THEN MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, EXCUSE ME, NOT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, BUT WITH AVAILABLE TO THE CITY UPON REQUEST. THESE STANDARDS ARE A MIX OF WHAT CATHOLIC CHARITIES. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT CATHOLIC CHARITIES HAS FOR THEIR RULES IN SANTA ROSA. THOSE WERE PRETTY GENERAL. SO IN LOOKING

FOR MORE SPECIFIC STANDARDS, SAN FRANCISCO HAS RECENTLY PUT FORWARD SIMILAR GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICIES FOR SOME OF ITS PROJECTS. SOME WILL RECEIVE FUNDING

FROM THE CITY, AND IN THAT CASE, IT IS MOSTLY SHELTERS, NOT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. WE USE THAT FOR A BASIS. BUT IT IS REALLY UP TO THE COUNCIL AND WHAT THEY WANT TO INCLUDE. THINGS, OF COURSE, I KNOW I HEARD FROM ONE

COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT CHANGES THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE, AND THAT IS ENTIRELY UP TO THE COUNCIL. SO WITH THAT, I'LL PAUSE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

GO AHEAD COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN?
YEAH. FIRST, THANKS FOR PUTTING THE STAFF REPORT. THANKS FOR REFERENCING WHERE THIS IDEA CAME FROM FROM CATHOLIC CHARITIES. WHEN EVERYTHING

HAPPENED WITH ELDERBERRY COMMONS, IT WAS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF

CATHOLIC CHARITIES THROUGH ONE OF THE ELECTIVE MEETINGS TO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, SORRY THAT ALL HAPPENED. BUT MOVING FORWARD, YOU COULD DO X. SO I JUST

WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO HER AND TO AT LEAST HAVING SOMETHING WE COULD MODEL AFTER. I THINK INCORPORATING THINGS FROM OTHER THAN MUNICIPALITIES.

SAN FRANCISCO WAS A GOOD THING. YOU REFERENCE THE COUNTY'S EFFORT AS A RESULT OF OUR CHALLENGES WITH ELDERBERRY. COORDINATED ENTRY REQUESTED THERE BE A PROVIDER MEETING TO DEVELOP PERMANENT SUPPORTING HOUSING. I'VE BEEN ATTENDING THEM EVERY MONTH, AS IS ROBIN, WHO IS OUR CONSULTANT. AND TODAY WAS THE FINAL MEETING. ROBIN ATTENDED, AND SHE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. BUT THERE WERE NO FURTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. LIKE IT'S DOING AND NOW IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE HOUSING COALITION BOARD. THAT'S WHERE THINGS ARE.

SO I WANTED TO INFORM THE PUCK LICK THERE WILL NOW BE COUNTY GUIDELINES ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE TO FORWARD FOR. IN THE CITY, IN THE COUNTY. BUT IF WE'RE

GOING TO GET INTO QUESTIONS NOW, I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE GOOD NEIGHBOR

BECAUSE WHAT ROBIN DID, SHE TOOK A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO REVIEW ALL OF THE 25 PAGES. AND NOW I HAVE CONCERNS THAT IT APPEARS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL, WHEN SHE SPOKE EARLIER, HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE GOOD NEIGHBOR. SO I WANT TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM BOTH OF THEM ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL'S MEALING ABOUT THIS. EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T BIND YOU TO IT, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE. THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO RELY ON YOU HAVE A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD. WHY IS THAT OPERATIONS NOT MOVING IN COORDINATION WITH WHAT YOU MISSED? I WILL LEAVE IT OVER TO WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER THAT.

WELL, ALEX. HOW DO WE DO THIS WITH PROPER --

SO YOU CAN HAVE THEM UP AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION OUTSIDE OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. I KNOW VICE MAYOR HAS A QUESTION TOO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RELATED?
GO AHEAD. SO WHICH COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS HAVE WEIGHED IN ON THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY? HAVE ANY TAKE HOLDERS TALK ABOUT IT?
NONE.

THE NEXT QUESTION, IF THERE ARE COUNTY GUIDELINES BEING DEVELOPED. WHY DO WE NEED THIS?
SO THAT IS WHY WE WAITED TO SEE THE COUNTY GUIDELINES ARE NOT THIS DETAILED.

THEY ARE MUCH BROADER, AND ARE -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY VAGUE. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. THE LANGUAGE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT STAGE AND

COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IS IN THE COUNTY GUIDELINE. SO YOU KNOW IT'S A LITTLE VAGUE IN TALKING. THERE ARE REAL THINGS IN

THERE, BUT SORT OF THE EXPECTATION THAT YOU WILL PATROL THREE TIMES A DAY LIKE VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN THOSE GUIDELINES. SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE LIST TOGETHER, BASED ON THE PRIOR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. AND THIS IS SENT TO ME BY A RESIDENT THAT THE

DETAILS IN THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY ARE KIND OF LOOKS LIKE HEIGHTENED SURVEILLANCE OF A PARTICULAR CLASS OF RESIDENTS. I'M WONDERING WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?
I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A SURVEILLANCE OF THE RESIDENTS AT ALL. I THINK IT'S

EXPECTATIONS FOR THE HOUSING PROVIDERS ABOUT HOW THEY WILL OPERATE WITH REGARDS TO THE COMMUNITY. THERE IS NOTHING IN HERE ABOUT THEM HAVING TO TRACK WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT RESIDENTS ARE DOING 24/7. IT'S ABOUT SORT OF EXPECTATIONS, IF THE CITY DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD. EXPECTATIONS ABOUT HOW,

YOU KNOW, OPERATORS WILL ENGAGE WITH THEM, THE BROADER COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN, YOU HAD QUESTIONS FROM ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL, IS THAT WHO YOU SAID? YEAH. WHOEVER WANTS TO RESPOND. BECAUSE AGAIN, MY FEELING WAS MAYBE I

MISINTERPRETED WHEN I BROUGHT UP THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY FROM I THINK THE NEW EXECUTIVE ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL. MY SENSE WAS THERE WERE OBJECTIONS. AND

IF THERE ARE OBJECTIONS TO WHAT IT IS THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT PASS, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM. I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR THEM. SO PLEASE? YEAH. I MEAN, I DIDN'T COME THROUGH THIS WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF IT. AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT IS IN MY PLACE, SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE OPERATING TO THE SITE TO RESPOND TO IT. I MEAN, I THINK MOST OF WHAT IS OUTLINED IS REASONABLE. I THINK WHAT STOOD OUT TO ME IS IF WE

WERE PROPERTY MANAGING THE SITE, IT MIGHT BE THERE'S A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT WILL STAND OUT TO ME AS, YOU KNOW, ASKING A BIT MUCH OF THE PROVIDER. BUT I'LL LET CHRIS RESPOND.

BEFORE YOU MOVE ON. CAN YOU SPECIFY WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE?

I THINK JUST AROUND, YOU KNOW, MONITORING THE MULTIPLE -- WALKING THE PROPERTY AND THE ROUNDS THAT WERE OUTLINED IN THERE. I THINK THE SPECIFICATION OF NIGHTTIME?
YEAH.

AND I THINK IT CALLED OUT SPECIFIC QUANTITIES TWICE A DAY, DAYTIME AND NIGHTTIME. I MEAN THE PROPERTY ITSELF, BUT NOT LIKE THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD JUST SEEMS A BIT EXCESSIVE.

HELLO. ME AGAIN. ATTORNEY BY TRAINING. SO EVERYTHING SEEMS VAGUE TO ME. SO

I'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I'M LIKE EITHER I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS OR NO, THAT'S TOO MUCH. AND I, LIKE LAUREN, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THIS POLICY. I SHARE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS WITH COUNCILMEMBER MAURER THAT THIS DOES SEEM RELATIVELY TARGETED, RIGHT, TO PSH DEVELOPMENTS.

I UNDERSTAND MAYBE IT'S NOT SPELLED OUT AS THE INTENT, BUT THAT'S THE INTENT.

IT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN SAN FRANCISCO AS APPLIED TO A SHELTER, RIGHT? IT IS REALLY EASY FRANKLY TO EXIT SOMEBODY FROM A SHELTER FOR

BAD BEHAVIOR. THEY DON'T HAVE TENANT RIGHTS. IT IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO EVICT SOMEBODY FROM PERM TENT MANY HOUSING. SO I DO WANT TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION. IT IS ALSO MUCH MORE DAMMING TO SOMEONE, LIKE THEIR LIVELIHOOD AND THEIR ABILITY TO REMAIN SAFETY TO ACTUALLY EVICT THEM. YOU WOULDN'T

NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS IF THERE WERE STRONGER PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN PROVIDERS, CITIES, AND COUNTIES. THEY WERE BETTER FUNDED TO DO THIS WORK, RIGHT? THE WORK ITSELF IS VERY CHALLENGING. A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE IN HERE, LIKE UNDER RESIDENTS, RULES, EXPECTATIONS. THAT'S JUST STANDARD STUFF THAT'S IN A LEASE, RIGHT? SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT BEING IN HERE. I DO

THINK PATROLLING A SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH FUNDING IN PROJECTS TO DO THAT. 24/7 SECURITY. YOU KNOW, SECURITY'S $45, $55 AN HOUR.

THERE'S NO FUNDING IN PROJECTS FOR SECURITY TO RUN 24/7. IT JUST DOESN'T EXIST.

SUPER EASY TO HAVE SECURITY FILL IN. SUPER EASY TO HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGER DO PERIMETER CHECKS. NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I DON'T KNOW IF IT MEANS A BLOCK, THAT WILL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. I WOULD SAY MOVING

LITTER AND DEBRIS, MAYBE WITH THIS PROJECT SPECIFICALLY, IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE LIQUOR STORE. NOT EVERY PIECE OF DEBRIS THAT COMES FROM THE AERIAL LIKE THAT WILL LIVE ON THIS SITE. I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEANING UP TRASH THAT BELONGS TO ANOTHER BUSINESS. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE ODD TO HAVE SOMETHING THEY WOULD CAUSE IT. THIS PROJECT IS PRETTY SMALL. IF THE

CITY JUST CALLS ME AND SAID, HEY, IF YOU GET INTO SUPER BIG PROJECTS, WHICH SEBASTOPOL WON'T. YOU'RE A SMALL CITY. BUT THAT COULD BE CHALLENGING DOWN THE ROAD. AND I WOULD REQUEST ANY TIME YOU SAY 24 HOURS, 72 HOURS, 48 HOURS

THAT YOU SAY BUSINESS HOURS BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE HAVE A THREE-DAY HOLIDAY WEEKENDS. THOSE ARE KIND OF MY NOTES ON THIS. BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS WOULD

BE RESOLVED WITH A STRONG PROVIDER THAT ACTUALLY DOES GOOD PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. EVICT PEOPLE WHEN THEY NEED TO BE EVICTED, KEEPS THE PROPERTY CLEAN, STAYS IN GOOD CONTACT WITH THE CITY. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT HOMELESSNESS TO BECOME A POLITICAL ISSUE. WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT

VULNERABLE PEOPLE, AND MAKING SURE THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE TO LIVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SAFE.

GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, ALEX.

YEAH. YOU'RE GETTING TO SOMETHING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT. IF THIS POLICY IS

UNNECESSARY TO WHAT YOU ARE ALREADY DOING, WE JUST NEED THE GUARANTEES

THAT SOME OF THE THINGS ARE HAPPENING THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO KEEP THE WATCH OUT, WALK AROUND, MAKE SURE THE PLACE IS CLEAN. YOU'RE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND YOU SEEM LIKE A VERY GOOD OPERATOR. WHAT KIND OF THINGS DOES THE CITY HAVE TO KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING THESE?
YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, RIGHT? IT'S NOT BENEFICIAL FOR ANYBODY TO BE A BAD NEIGHBOR. WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE CITY, TO OUR ACTUAL NEIGHBORS, TO THE BUSINESSES. WE JUST WANT IT TO BE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY, RIGHT? SO WE DO HAVE ON-SITE STAFF ALL THE TIME. WE ARE ACCESSIBLE AND AVAILABLE. PRETTY MUCH ANY PROVIDER THAT'S USED TO WORKING WITH ME. THERE'S SEVERAL IN THIS ROOM. THEY KNOW IF THEY CALL ME AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING, I MIGHT NOT ANSWER THE FIRST TIME YOU CALL. BUT IF YOU CALL RIGHT BACK, I'M GOING TO ANSWER, RIGHT? I AM SOMEBODY WHO IS DEDICATED MY CAREER AND MY LIFE TO HELPING PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THIS SITUATION. AND I ALSO

UNDERSTAND AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT PROVIDERS LIKE COTS ARE NOT JUST HERE TO SERVE PEOPLE THAT COME TO US FOR HELP. WE ARE ALSO HERE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY MORE BROADLY, RIGHT? COMMUNITIES ARE BETTER WHEN FEWER PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. THEY ARE BETTER WHEN PEOPLE HAVE PLACES TO LIVE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT A GOOD EXPERIENCE. WHAT I CAN PROMISE THE CITY IS THAT COTS IS SUPER RESPONSIVE. THERE'S GOING TO BE ISSUES THAT COME UP. THERE ARE GOING TO BE THINGS THAT WILL COME UP. MY PROMISE TO YOU IS WE WILL WORK

ALONGSIDE YOU AND REALLY QUICKLY TO RESOLVE AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES IN THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN. WE WANT TO HAVE A GOOD FRIENDLY PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE LIKE THIS WAS TERRIBLE. WE DON'T LIKE COTS, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT THAT FOR ANYBODY. THAT I CAN PROMISE

YOU. I CERTAINLY CAN'T PROMISE YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO SEE A PIECE OF TRASH ON THE SIDEWALK OR WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A TENANT THAT CAUSES PROBLEMS. I THINK THAT'S TRUE FOR ANY MULTI-PROPERTY UNITS. YOU'LL HAVE TENANTS THAT ARE

DIFFICULT, BUT WE'RE DO OUR ABSOLUTE BEST TO MAKE IT A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYBODY.

OKAY, THANK YOU. GOOD COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN.

YES, A QUESTION TO ALEX. SO COULD WE JUST POSTPONE THIS? WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO TO POSTPONE THIS? BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE COTS WITH WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND THEIR TRACK RECORD, AND MY RELATIONSHIP WITH KRIS. A GO WITH THIS WITHOUT FEELING THERE'S UNNECESSARILY RESTRAINED. BUT ALSO I HEAR THE MAYOR, THE FACT SOME DON'T KNOW YOU AND IT IS TRUST, BUT VERIFIED. SO COULD WE JUST NOT CONTINUE THIS UNTIL WHEN IS THE OPEN DATE AGAIN, JANUARY? NOW WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? NOVEMBER. SO COULD WE NOT JUST CALENDAR THIS N I DON'T KNOW, WHENEVER MY COLLEAGUES WOULD LIKE TO RECALENDAR IT? ABSOLUTELY. IT'S UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE COUNCIL, AND IF YOU COULD TABLE THE ITEM OR JUST CONTINUE IT TO A SPECIFIC DATE IN THE FUTURE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE? I HAVE ONE. I MEAN AS WE WERE TALKING

ABOUT THE GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD POLICIES AND WHO SAT IN THE ROOM WITH FOLKS WHO WERE RUNNING ELDERBERRY COMMENT, AND LISTENING TO THEM. TELLING THEM WE DON'T NEED SECURITY, WE DON'T NEED THIS, WE DON'T NEED THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME HEARING 25% OF OUR POLICE TIME HAS BEEN SPENT AT ELDERBERRY COMMONS, AND IT WAS MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT WHEN IT FIRST OPENED. THEY TOLD

US EVERY SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROJECT HAS A REAL INCREASE IN POLICE ACTIVITY IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS. THEY TOLD US THAT. THE FOLKS WHO RUN THAT AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THAT. I SAT THERE AND LISTENED TO THEM. I WANT TO

KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BACK AT CITY HALL, LISTENING TO THE SAME STORY AGAIN. AND THEN WE'RE HAVING TO ANSWER TO OUR CONSTITUENTS ABOUT WHY, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE ARE SO BUSY.

THEY CANNOT RESPOND TO OTHER PLACES BECAUSE SO MUCH TIME IS BEING SPENT IN

OTHER FACILITIES THAT SAID THEY DIDN'T NEED ANY SECURITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE HAS GOOD INTENTIONS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY.

THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS, AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. SO AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO TRUST, BUT I NEED TO VERIFY BECAUSE I SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME DEALING WITH THIS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. SO THERE WE ARE. SO THAT'S WHAT -- I DON'T KNOW, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THIS FORWARD? WE'RE DUE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THAT RIGHT?
YES. I WAS JUST GOING TO JUMP IN TO LET YOU KNOW WE NEED TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU, YOU GUYS CAN GO AHEAD AND SIT DOWN. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD POLICY PROPOSED. IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, AGAIN, IT'S TWO MEMBERS. WE GO TO CHAMBERS FIRST.

YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD PRETTY SLICK PRESENTATIONS LIKE THAT BEFORE. WHO STOOD HERE VERY CONFIDENTLY TELLING EVERYBODY HOW GREAT IT WAS ALL GOING TO BE. SMOOTH. BUT IT HAS CHANGED ALL THE TIME. SO I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN WHAT IS BEING DISCUSS TODAY WITH THESE PEOPLE. BUT WHO KNOWS. THEY MIGHT NOT BE, SO THAT IS MY FIRST POINT. I GUESS MY OTHER BOY, THIS HAS WORKED PRETTY WELL IN SAN FRANCISCO. THEY HAD TO TIGHTEN UP THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. OBVIOUSLY SAN FRANCISCO IS A BIG COMPLICATED CITY. BUT SEBASTOPOL IS TINY. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXECUTE THIS REALLY WELL. THIS IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY GIVEN THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC AND SO ON. VERY CONSISTENT, BY THE WAY, CITIES HAVE BEEN HANDLING THESE KINDS OF CIVIC PROBLEMS, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, I'LL GO OUT TO ZOOM.

THANK YOU.

GREAT, I WAS STRUCK BY A COMMENT OR ONE OF THE SPEAKERS THAT THERE IS NO REAL MONEY IN 24 SECURITY. AND I HOPE THESE FOLKS WILL UNDERSTAND IT. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK A CITY LIKE SEBASTOPOL, JUST LOADED WITH BUCKS. WE'VE GOT POLICEMEN CRAWLING OUT OF THE WOODWORK. IF BE WE NEED A FEW MORE POLICE CALLS AT ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL OR AT SEBASTOPOL OR WHATEVER THOSE COMMONS IS, GRAVENSTEIN COMMONS. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. IT IS A PROBLEM THOUGH. 25% OF OUR POLICE CALLS ARE NOW GOING TO ONE PLACE IF IT DOUBLES, AND WE HAVE 50% OF OUR POLICE CALLS GOING HERE. WE EITHER HAVE TO HIRE A COUPLE MORE POLICEMEN, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE OR WE HAVE TO STOP PATROLLING. WE HAVE TO STOP DEALING, YOU KNOW, WITH PROBLEMS WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. I MEAN, RESOURCES HAVE TO BE SHIFTED AWAY FROM THINGS. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS SOME OF US ARE REALLY UPSET ABOUT THAT. I HOPE THE SPEAKERS CAN UNDERSTAND THIS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I'LL COME INTO CHAMBERS. IF ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?
ME AGAIN. I'LL MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. I KNOW I WAS HERE BEFORE, AND TENANTS

AT ONE OTHER HOUSING UNIT HAD SAID IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SECURITY. AND I UNDERSTAND THE FUNDING ISSUE WITH SECURITY. I AM HOPING A REALLY GOOD PROPERTY MANAGER WILL BE HIRED. SOMEONE WHO IS TRAUMA INFORMED. SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO GO OUT AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING AND

DEAL WITH ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP OR GETTING FENTANYL OFF THE PROPERTIES WHEN THEY SHOW UP. BECAUSE AT ONE OF OUR SITES, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. A LOT OF THE TENANTS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. SO I, AGAIN, WANT TO SUPPORT YOU AND ENCOURAGE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS ON. YEAH.

THANKS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT I'LL GO OUT TO ZOOM. ROB, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
HI, YEAH. I JUST HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. ONE IS HOW IS THIS PROGRAM BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE LIQUOR STORE THAT'S NEXT DOOR? I THINK IT'S FUNNY THERE'S A LIQUOR STORE NEARBY ALL THESE PLACES. I'M SURE THEY GET INCREASED FOOT TRAFFIC, AND IT'S A PROBLEM THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH. SO I'M WONDERING HOW

DO WE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SAY NO IF THEY THINK SOMEONE SHOULDN'T HAVE IT. HOW DO WE SUPPORT THEM IN DOING THAT? AND

THEN THE OTHER ONE IS JUST ABOUT THE -- I'M SORRY, NOT ABOUT THE FOOT TRAFFIC, BUT THE INCREASED PATROLS. I KEEP HEARING ABOUT A CITIZENS POLICE SOMETHING OR ANOTHER. NOT OFFICERS, BUT SOME KIND OF CITIZENS TRAINING. AND YOU KNOW, THEY KEEP GETTING SHELLED FOR A LOT OF REASONS. BUT WOULD THAT BE APPLICABLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. IF ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. I'LL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM. IF ANYONE ON

ZOOM WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY. SEEING NONE, THERE IS NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, MAYOR.

THANK YOU. PARDON PAR VERYVERY MUCH. OH, VICE MAYOR MAURER?

I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN FOR SUGGESTING WE POSTPONE THIS ISSUE. I AGREE WITH THAT. I'M GOOD WITH TABLING IT. AND I THINK THAT IF WE WANT ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL TO ACTUALLY SIGN ON AND NOT HAVE IT JUST BE A POLICY THAT NOBODY SIGNS ON TO. WE SHOULDN'T MAKE EDITS AND WORK WITH THEM, AND THEY COULD WORK WITH COTS TO MAKE EDITS THAT MAKES SENSE. BECAUSE WE WANT THEIR BUY IN TO IT IF WE'RE GOING TO PASS IT. SO MY HOPE IS IN THE MEANTIME BETWEEN NOW AND WHENEVER WE BRING IT BACK THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT COLLABORATION.

THANK YOU.

WELL, THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. YEAH, IF THAT'S THE MOTION. I'LL SECOND IT.

THANK YOU.

CAN I JUST CLARIFY? I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. WOULD YOU LIKE IT TO COME BACK AT A FUTURE DATE? I THINK COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN HAD MENTIONED NOVEMBER OR JANUARY? OR DO YOU WANT TO TABLE IT?

NO. BRING IT BACK. BUT MEANWHILE COLLABORATE WITH ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL AND COTS ON THE LANGUAGE. AND MAKE SURE WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE WILLING TO SIGN ONTO IT.

IS THAT DIRECTING CITY STAFF TO DO THAT OR OUR LIAISON WHO IS COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN AND STAFF? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, SO WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

WE COULD JUST PICK A DATE, AND THEN THAT WAY WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE STRIVING TOWARDS. HOPEFULLY, YES, OUR TWO PARTNERS, ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL AND

COTS CAN START LOOKING AT THE LANGUAGE AND SUGGESTING THE LANGUAGE TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY FOR WHEN WE BRING IT BACK. SO IT'S A SITE YOU DO A GENDER REVIEW WITH THE GENDER REVIEW PEOPLE. WHAT DATE DO YOU THINK WOULD BE GOOD? I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE A ROUGH DATE ON DECEMBER OR JANUARY OR SOMETHING. I'LL DEFER TO YOU.

SO NOW I'M HEARING TWO DAYS. I'M NOW HEARING JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIME FRAME.

JANUARY.

JANUARY?
THAT WOULD GIVE EVERYBODY A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

OKAY. I'M SEEING THUMBS UP IN THE AUDIENCE, SO JANUARY THEN.

OKAY, THANK YOU. SO MOVED BY VICE MAYOR MAURER.

OH WAIT. UNDERSTAND COHINTON HAS HER HAND UP.

I'M SORRY.

I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE COMMENT. I MEAN, I -- I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THIS TONIGHT TO COME BACK. I'M JUST NOT SURE AT THIS POINT IT'S NECESSARY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.

COUNCILMEMBER CARTER HAS HIS HAND UP AS WELL?
YEAH, I'M LEANING THAT WAY A LITTLE BIT TOO. WHEN THE PROBLEM REEMERGES.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE STABLE. I'M IN SUPPORT OF BRINGING IT BACK. IF WE'RE ALL GOING TO WEIGH IN HERE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY TAKE A VOTE.

SO BECAUSE THERE'S TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT IN SUPPORT OF MOVING THIS FORWARD AND ARE WILLING TO TABLE IT. I AM GOING TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION.

OKAY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION, AND WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES TO BRING

IT BACK IN JANUARY, AND FOR OUR TWO PROVIDERS, PARTNER PROVIDERS TO REVIEW

IT, SUGGEST COMMENTS, AND BRING IT BACK AT A DATE IN JANUARY EITHER THE FIRST OR SECOND MEETING OF JANUARY. SO THAT'S THE MOTION.

THANK YOU. SO MOVED BY COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN AND SECONDED BY MAYOR

MCLEWIS TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO EITHER THE FIRST OR THIRD MEETING IT IN JANUARY 2027, AND ALLOWING OUR PARTNER PROVIDERS TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE EDITS TO THE CITY. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER?
NO.

COUNCILMEMBER HINTON?
NO.

COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN?
YES.

VICE MAYOR MAURER?
NO.

MAYOR MCLEWIS?
YES.

THE MOTION FAILS WITH COUNCILMEMBER ZOLLMAN AND MAYOR MCLEWIS IN

SUPPORT, AND COUNCILMEMBERS CARTER, HINTON, AND VICE MAYOR MAURER IN OPPOSITION.

OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TEN --
ACTUALLY, CARTER HAS HIS HAND UP.

YEAH, I'M JUST CURIOUS. DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY TABLE THE ITEM OR WHAT HAPPENS?
UNLESS THERE'S A FURTHER MOTION TONIGHT, THE ITEM IS DEAD.

OH, OKAY.

SO SOMEONE COULD MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT AND BRING IT BACK AT A LATER DATE, IF NECESSARY.

NO?

NO. THAT WAS WHAT WAS JUST -- GO AHEAD, ALEX.

SO THAT WAS THE MOTION TO BRING IT BACK IN THE FUTURE. YOU COULD ALWAYS IN

THE FUTURE HAVE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO BRING THIS BACK IF CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHY I WITHDREW MY MOTION. THAT'S BECAUSE THERE

WERE TWO MEMBERS THAT WERE NOT IN SUPPORT, AND BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WOULD TAKE STAFF TIME AND COTS TIME AND ST. VINCENTS DE PAUL TIMES TO DO ALL THAT WORK. THAT'S WHY I WITHDREW MY MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. SO ITEM NUMBER 10, PRESENTATION FROM HEART/SOUL, SOLVING

OBSTACLES FOR UNSHELTERED LIVES AND WEST COUNTY COMMUNITY SERVICES ON

SERVICES PROVIDED FOR HOMELESS SERVICES AND CONSIDERATION OF CONTRACTS FOR HOMELESS OUTREACH SERVICES. THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, MOU OF UNDERSTANDING WITH HEART EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 16, 2026, AND THE CONTRACT WITH WCCS EXPIRED JUNE 30, 2026. THE ITEM TONIGHT IS TO CONSIDER AGREEMENTS WITH THE FOLLOWING. A, DRAFT A CONTRACT WITH SOUL. THIS ITEM WILL BE RETURNED TO A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR APPROVAL. DRAFT MOU IS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. HEART WILL CONTINUE TO PERFORM SERVICES UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE CONTRACT IS RETURNED FOR FORMAL APPROVAL AND/OR ADOPTION. TENTATIVELY SEPTEMBER 15. B, APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION/CONTRACT WITH WCCS, OR C, OTHER DIRECTION TO STAFF. I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO OUR POLICE CHIEF. IS HE IN THE ROOM?
HE IS.

PERFECT. HI.

HELLO. SO I THINK YOU PRETTY MUCH SUMMED IT UP, MAYOR MCLEWIS, THAT WE'VE

GOT A PRESENTATION TONIGHT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES AND WEST COUNTY COMMUNITY SERVICES, REGARDING THE HOMELESS OUTREACH SERVICES.

SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HUNTER TO KICK IT OFF. NO? CHRISTY? OKAY. DO WE HAVE THE POWERPOINT SLIDES? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO SHARE?
MAY I ASK A QUESTION. DO WE HAVE MULTIPLE PRESENTATIONS HERE, CHIEF? HOW ARE WE?

ONE FROM WEST COUNTY COMMUNITY SERVICES AND ONE FROM SONOMA COUNTY, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES.

OKAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SINCE YOU SWITCHED AROUND.

DID YOU SUBMIT THE SLIDES? I KNOW WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION IN THE REPORT, THE PRESENTATION IS IN THE REPORT ITSELF.

IT COULD BE A COMBINED PRESENTATION. IS THAT RIGHT?
YEAH. IT'S FINE IF WE DON'T. OKAY. WE WERE GOING TO SHARE JUST THE HISTORY OF

THE SERVICES IN SEBASTOPOL OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, AND HOW THE SERVICES

WITH WEST COUNTY COMMUNITY SERVICES TO PROVIDE OUTREACH IN SEBASTOPOL REALLY A ROSE FROM THE NEED THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD ON THE TRAIL. AND THEN ALSO THE PARKING ON MORRIS STREET AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF SEBASTOPOL. THE

CITY WAS LOOKING FOR A RESPONSE, AND CONTRACTED FOR A FULL-TIME OUTREACH PERSON IN THE FIRST YEAR WITH US. THEN IN THE FOUR YEARS FOLLOWING, WE

CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICES, ALTHOUGH THE SHIFT OF FOCUS CHANGED AS THE COMMUNITY NEEDS CHANGED. AND FUNDING WAS REDUCED TO PART TIME, AND WE APPLIED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO CONTINUE FULL-TIME SUPPORT HERE. OUR CONTRACT DID END AT THE END OF JUNE. THE SECOND SLIDE WAS LOOKING AT, OH, THERE WE ARE. LOOKING AT THE DATA POINTS OVER THE FIVE YEARS. AND THE FIRST

HIGHLIGHT OF THE DATA BECAUSE THE SERVICES, THE FOCUS SHIFTED BASED ON THE NEEDS.YOU KNOW, WE WERE REALLY CAPTURING UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE WERE CONNECTING WITH. BUT THE DATA CHANGED. WHAT WE WERE REPORTING CHANGED AS OUR SERVICES CHANGED. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING I JUST WANTED TO CALL ATTENTION TO IN THAT SLIDE. THE BIGGER POINT THAT I NEED TO ADDRESS. THE 25/26 REPORTING.

AND REALLY JUST ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT HAPPENED IN OUR REPORTING LAST YEAR. IN

SPRING, I WAS LOOKING AT THE REPORT, AND WE WERE REPORTING ON HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS WERE ACTIVE IN COORDINATED ENTRY EACH MONTH. AND THE YEAR-TODATE TOTAL REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY BIG. SO I

STARTED LOOKING INTO IT, AND IT WAS REALLY A RESULT OF TWO THINGS OF ERROR

AND MY SPREAD SHEET THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO REPORT ON THE YEAR-TO-DATE TOTALS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ENROLLED IN COORDINATED ENTRY. THEY MAINTAINED STATUS, AND SOME PEOPLE WERE EXITED. SO REALLY THE MONTHLY COUNT IS THE NUMBER WE'RE REPORTING. THERE ISN'T A YEAR TO DATE OF ACTIVE PEOPLE. THE SECOND FACTOR WAS OUR STAFF HAS BEEN OVERREPORTING. I WAS HAVING REPORTS PULLED, AND I WAS LOOKING DEEPLY INTO THAT TO CORRECT THAT ERROR. I CONTACTED THE CITY. I RESUBMITTED REPORTS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ONE OTHER DATA POINT THAT SOME QUESTION. I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS MYSELF TO GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THINGS. AND IT WAS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT MOVED INTO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. UNFORTUNATELY THE STAFF THAT WE HAD UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE I CAN'T GET ANSWERS FROM THEM ANYMORE. WHAT I DID

DISCOVER IS OUR OUTREACH WAS USING THE COUNTY TRACKING SYSTEM, THE HMIS,

BUT ALSO KEEPING THEIR OWN INFORMAL LOG OF CONTACTS THEY WERE MAKING, SERVICES THEY WERE PROVIDING THAT WEREN'T BEING RECOGNIZED IN EACH HMIS. AND I HEARD JILL SAY EARLIER, TRUST, BUT VERIFY. THE VERIFICATION WASN'T HAPPENING WITH THE DIRECT SUPERVISION. AND SO REALLY, AT THIS POINT, I PROVIDED THE NUMBERS FOR 25/26 BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE NUMBERS THAT WERE REPORTED. I WANTED TO ADDRESS IT TONIGHT. AND SOME OF THE NUMBERS, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO. TO BE EQUALLY FAIR UNFORTUNATELY. I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY DISAPPOINTING FOR ME. WE KNOW THE SERVICES WERE BEING PROVIDED, AND THEY WEREN'T REPORTED CORRECTLY. I DON'T THINK IT WAS INTENTIONAL, MISREPRESENTATION. I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF OVERSIGHT, AND A LACK OF

UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE NUMBERS MEANT, LIKE WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE IN THIS REPORT. AND I WILL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY THAT IT IS OUR

RESPONSIBILITY TO TIGHTEN UP THE COMPLIANCE OF REPORTING TO HAVE THE

OVERSIGHT, AND TO HAVE CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT THEY'RE COUNTING AND WHY THEY'RE COUNTING IT. SO I JUST -- I HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND OWNERSHIP OF

THIS, AND UNFORTUNATELY I JUST DON'T HAVE THE ACCURATE NUMBER FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE DID MOVE INTO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. THE LAST SLIDE, SUCH A JARRING TRANSITION. IT'S AN ACTUAL SUCCESS STORY OF A COUPLE THAT WE DID PROVIDE SERVICE. AND I THINK THE SUCCESS STORY REALLY JUST HIGHLIGHTS THE

LONG GAME OF OUTREACH THAT IT REALLY TAKES TIME TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS, TO HELP THEM START GETTING ENGAGED WITH RECEIVING SERVICES. TO GET THE DOCUMENTS READY. TO HELP THEM BE PREPARED TO MOVE INTO HOUSING. AND FOR

THIS COUPLE, IT TOOK A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THEY ARE NOW MOVING INTO GEORGE'S PLACE THAT HAS OPENED IN GUERNEVILLE JUST LAST MONTH. YEAH. SO I AM NOT SURE

HOW THIS STRUCTURE IS, IF YOU WANT ME TO STAY HERE FOR QUESTIONS FOR THIS PART? MOVE TO HUNTER, THEN COME BACK TO QUESTIONS?

I THINK WE WANT TO GO TO HUNTER TO DO HIS PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.

HI, Y'ALL. HUNTER SCOTT. YOU RECENTLY KNEW ME FROM WHEN I WORKED FOR HOME FIRST, HAVE MY PARTNERS HERE. I NOW WORK FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES. I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR HOMELESSNESS SERVICES. SO IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE IN THIS NEW CAPACITY. RECOGNIZING THESE PRESENTATIONS ARE TO BE TEN MINUTES. I'M GOING TO SPEED THROUGH THIS. BUT THERE WILL BE TIME FOR QUESTIONS OBVIOUSLY. SO ABOUT IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, WE STARTED A REALLY

WONDERFUL NEW OUTREACH PILOT WITH THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL AND THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT WITH A GOAL OF MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE, PAIRING OUTREACH

WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE, AND MORE ACCURATELY TO REALLY REPLACE OUTREACH WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE, WHERE THAT IS APPROPRIATE. AND

CREATE PATHWAYS TO SERVICES WAS THE GOAL OF INCREASING COORDINATION

AROUND HOMELESSNESS, AND HELPING PEOPLE MOVE FROM CONTACTS TO MEANINGFUL SERVICE. NEXT SLIDE. SO SOME OF THE DATA WE ACHIEVED TO DATE, AND WE HAVE WONDERFUL STAFF NAMED JULIAN WHO HAS TAKEN THIS ROLE ON IN THE CITY. HE'S ENGAGED 67 PEOPLE, 30 OF THOSE ARE ACTIVE COORDINATED ENTRIES, MADE 12 SHELTER PLACEMENTS, AND MOVED THREE FOLKS INTO HOUSING. IT DOES TAKE TIME

TO BUILD RELATIONSHIP WITH FOLKS. SO WE EXPECT THOSE NUMBERS TO INCREASE PER TIME PERIOD IF THAT MAKES SENSE AS THIS PROJECT DEPOSE ON. NEXT SLIDE? CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION?
YES.
67 PEOPLE ENGAGED. IS THAT WITHIN THE SEBASTOPOL CITY LIMITS OR IS THAT OUTSIDE OF SEBASTOPOL?
SEBASTOPOL. WELL, HE'S PROBABLY GOING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE. YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT

DOING THE ENTIRE TRAIL, BUT PROBABLY GOING A LITTLE BIT DOWN THE TRAIL BECAUSE PEOPLE DO MOVE IN AND OUT. BUT HIS FOCUS HAS BEEN SEBASTOPOL.

THOSE ARE 67 DIFFERENT PEOPLE?
CORRECT.

SO I THINK ONE OF THE BIG LEARNINGS AFTER WHEREVER WE ARE. EIGHT MONTHS OF

DOING THIS IS WE HAVE A PARTNER ORGANIZATION THAT YOU ARE ALL FUNDING, AND

WE REALLY NEED TO ENGAGE CLOSER TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT DUPLICATING SERVICES, BUT ALSO ENHANCING EACH OTHERS SERVICES. [ CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING ]

WE ALSO FUND WCCS TO DO OUTREACH
IN GUERNEVILLE.

AND IT WILL REALLY GUIDE ALL OF
OUR INTERACTIONS.

AND THAT'S GOING TO DO THINGS
LIKE

HAVING OUR STAFF CHECK IN
EVERY

EVERY TO COORDINATE THE

DAY AND DOING COOUTREACH
TOGETHER.

THE NEXT PIECE I'M GOING TO SKIP

AHEAD BECAUSE I'MI'M TO GET

INTO THAT FOR THE REST OF THE

PRESENTATION, SO
NEXT SLIDE.

WE WERE REFERENCING EARLIER THAT

THE HOMELESS COALITION HAS

PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING

OPERATIONAL STANDARDS THAT
HAVE
RECENTLY BEEN COMPLETED.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT VERSION
OF
THAT FOR STREET OUTREACH.

SO A COUPLE

YEARS AGO THE SAME

GROUP CAME TOGETHER AND
PUT

TOGETHER SOME POLICIES
AND

PROCEDURES HOW STREET

OUTREACH

FOR HOMELESSNESS SHOULD LOOK

ACROSS THE COUNTY,

AND THAT

REALLY BUILT A FOUNDATION
OF

WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO NOW FOR
OUR NEXT STEP IN SEBASTOPOL.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHAT IS THE

SUBREGIONAL
STRUCTURE?

AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE
WE'RE

GOING WITH THIS IS THE
WHOLE

COUNTY AS PART OF
THOSE

STANDARDS WAS SPLIT INTO SIX

SUBREGIONS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU
A
MAP IN A SECOND.

EACH SECTION HAS A MANAGER

MANAGING THE DAY TO
DAY
ACTIVITIES IN THAT SUBREGION.

WE HAVE A SHARED

COORDINATION

TOOL USED ACROSS THE
COUNTY

CALLED A BI-NAMES LIST, AND
THIS

IS COORDINATED, AGAIN, ON
A
COUNTY WIDE LEVEL.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS A MAP OF SUBREGIONS.

THERE'S A VERY LONG HISTORY
FOR

WHY WE CAME UP WITH THESE EXACT

LINES, AND I'M NOT

GOING TO GET
INTO THAT NOW.

BUT SEBASTOPOL, AS YOU CAN SEE,

SITS IN THE WEST COUNTY, KIND OF

THE EDGE OF THAT GREEN OR ON
THE
SCREEN YELLOW AREA.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS KIND OF A ORG
CHART

DESCRIBING HOW THIS COUNTY
WIDE
STRUCTURE LOOKS.

SO YOU'VE GOT IN EACH

SUBREGION

A MANAGER WHO'S MANAGING, AGAIN,
THE DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES.

THEIR ROLE IS TO WORK WITH THE

STREET OUTREACH SHELTERS
AND

THEN OTHER PARTNERS, SO FOR

EXAMPLE LAW ENFORCEMENT
OR

ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS OR

CHURCHES

THAT ARE WORKING WITH
HOMELESSNESS IN THEIR REGION.

AND THEN ALL OF THIS, AGAIN,
IS

ORGANIZED ON A COUNTY WIDE LEVEL
BY MY TEAM.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO YOU'VE USED THE NAME

BINAMES
QUITE A BIT.

JUST TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS
IT'S

A LIST OF HOMELESS IN
THE

REGION.

IT'S UPDATED AS CLOSE TO LIVE
AS
POSSIBLE.

DATA COMES AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE

AND DOES INCLUDE PEOPLE NOT

ENGAGING IN SERVICES,

SO IT'S

NOT JUST THOSE THAT ARE

FORMERLY
ENROLLED.

AND THEN IT'S USED TO COORDINATE

SERVICES BETWEEN MULTIPLE
DIFFERENT PARTNERS.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

IT'S JUST A -- IT'S AN EXCEL

SHEET, SO SOMETHING FANCY ON
ITS
OWN.

BUT YOU CAN SEE IN THIS EXAMPLE

EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAS
A
HOUSING PLAN.

THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO GET TO
A

PLACE WHERE EVERY

SINGLE PERSON

EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN A

REGION WE KNOW WHAT'S NEXT FOR

THEM AND TRACKING STEPS

TO MOVE

THEM ALONG IN
THAT PLAN.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF YOU WERE

TALKING ABOUT AT IT BEGINNING
OF
THE MEETING.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE

WOULD

PROBABLY DO IN THE

BEGINNINGS OFOF

THE MEETINGS, WHICH IS TO GO

OVER HOT SPOTS OR ENCAMPMENTS
OR
AREAS
OF CONCERN.

AND WE CAN DO THAT

WITHOUT GOING
THROUGH SPECIFIC NAMES.

WE DON'T HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT

THERE, WE'D REALLY HAVE ELECTEDS
THERE.

ELECTEDS

REALLY UP TO THE COMMUNITY
AND WHAT MAKES SENSE.

WE WOULD TRACK AGAIN SPECIFIC

ACTIONS FOR THOSE HOT SPOTS
AND

AREAS TO MAKE SURE
WE'RE

DEPLOYING OUTREACH
APPROPRIATELY.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT
DATA
CAN COME FROM THIS PROCESS.

I WANT TO GIVE KUDOS

TO HOME

FIRST, WHO HOME

USED TO WORK FOR,

BUT THEY DO THIS IN SONOMA
VALLEY

AND SOUTH

COUNTY, SO SOME
OF THIS DATA COMES FROM THEM.

BUT YOU CAN SEE WHAT

IT REALLY

ALLOWS US TO DO IS GET TO THE

POINT WHERE WE CAN SAY IN
THIS

MOMENT THIS IS EXACTLY THE TYPE

OF HOUSING WE WOULD NEED TO

INVEST IN IN THIS AREA
IF WE

WANTED TO END

HOMELESSNESS
TODAY.

THAT'S A REALLY

POWERFUL TOOL

WHEN IT COMES TO DIRECTING
AND
FUTURE INVESTMENTS.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND YOU CAN SEE IN SOUTH COUNTY

WHAT WE SAW

OVER A LONG PERIOD

OF TIME OF DOING THIS KIND OF

COLLABORATION IS A MASSIVE
INCREASE.

THIS ALSO CAME WITH

INVESTMENTS

IN-HOUSING BUT A LOT OF IT
TRULY
WAS COORDINATION.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO I WANTED TO END WITH
SOME

REALLY CLEAR DIRECTION FOR YOU
ALL.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME

CONFUSION ON WHO DO

YOU CALL FOR

WHAT ISSUE WHEN IT COMES IT
HOMELESS SERVICES.

AND SO IN SEBASTOPOL, AND THIS
IS TRUE TODAY.

IF YOU ARE SEEING SOMEBODY
THAT

SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE

EXPERIENCING

AN URGENT MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS,

HOMELESS OUTREACH IS NOT THE

RIGHT RESOURCE.

WHAT THE RIGHT RESOURCE
IS THE

COUNTY WIDE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH

TEAM, OUR MOBILE

SUPPORT TEAM,

AND THAT IS THE NUMBER TO CALL,

THEY WILL -- THEY WILL

RESPOND

AND COME OUT, IF
IT'S
APPROPRIATE.

FOR NONF URGENT

HOMELESS

SERVICES, SO WHAT DO YOU DO IF

YOU'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT

SOMEBODY ON THE STREET CORNER

AND YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE

THAT THEY'RE GETTING SERVICES
TO

GET OUT OF THAT SITUATION
IN

INTO A LONG-TERM SITUATION, YOU

WOULD CALL THE NUMBER THAT'S ON
THE SCREEN FOR THAT.

AND SO THAT IS A NUMBER
THAT
GOES TO MY OFFICE.

WE ARE NOW TAKING THIS ON,
AND

WE WILL THEN DIRECT

WEST COUNTY

COMMUNITY SERVICES OR OUR OWN
OWN

TO GO OUT AND RESPOND AND

MAKE SURE THAT PERSON
IS
RECEIVING SERVICES.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHAT ARE NEXT STEPS?

SO THERE'S KIND OF --

THERE'S
THREE MOUs THAT WE'RE

TALKING
ABOUT

TODAY THAT WILL HELP GUIDE
US GOING FORWARD.

SO THERE'S ONE BETWEEN

THE CITY

AND WCCS, AND I THINK

THAT'S ON
THE AGENDA TO BE APPROVED.

WE'RE GOING TO BRING ONE
BACK

FOR CITY OF SEBASTOPOL AND
THEN

WITH DHS IN TWO

WEEKS IS THE
GOAL.

I THINK WE'RE STILL ON TRACK TO
DO THAT.

AND THEN AS I MENTIONED, WCCS,

AND THEN DEPARTMENT OF
HEALTH

SERVICES HAS OUR OWN

MOU THAT

WE'RE WORKING ON BEHIND
THE
SCENES.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ALIGN
ON
DATA RECORDING.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE
ARE

DOING -- TRACKING OUR

OUTCOMES

THE SAME ACROSS BOTH OF OUR

TEAMS, AND SO

THERE'S WORK TO DO
THERE.

WE WANT TO TRAIN BOTH OF THESE

OUR STAFF IN

THESE NEW PROCESSES
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THEN TO YOUR

QUESTION

EARLIER WHEN IS THIS GOING TO

START THE BILIST MEETINGS,
WE'LL

SEND OUT AN

INTRODUCTORY E-MAIL

TO COUNCIL MEMBERS,

SEVERAL

FOLKS AROUND THE WEST
COUNTY

REGION IN THIS MONTH, AND
THEN

WE'LL HAVE A

KICKOFF MEETING

EITHER THIS MONTH OR NEXT MONTH
AND START FOR REAL IN OCTOBER.

WE'LL BUILD THE LIST AND
START

WORKING THROUGH WHAT

ARE THE

ACTION PLANS FOR EACH OF
THE
PEOPLE ON THAT LIST.

AND THAT'S IT FOR ME.

THANK
YOU.

ALL RIGHT, WE'RE BACK AT THE
DAIS.

YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MAYOR?

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR

SLIDE, PAGE

98. IT SAYS OUTCOMES -- IT'S TALKING
ABOUT HOUSING EXITS OVER TIME.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT SLIDE?
YES, I CAN.

SO IN SOUTH -- AND I USED
TO

WORK FOR HOME FIRST, SO I KNOW
A

LOT ABOUT THIS SLIDE, BUT I WANT
TO DIFFERENTIATE MY ROLES.

SO THANK YOU TO THEM FOR
PROVIDING THIS.

SO THAT IS SHOWING EXITS

OVEROVER
TIME.

SO PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING FROM

THIS PROCESS THAT WE ARE

TRACKING, WHICH

IS TRACKING

PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS INTO
PERMANENT HOUSING.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S REALLY

SMALL, BUT I REALLY THE FIRST

QUARTER THAT WE WERE

TRACKING IT
AT THAT POINT IT WAS 11

PEOPLE,

AND THEN THAT GOT ALL THE WAY
UP
TO 40 PEOPLE SEVERAL QUARTERS

LATER, SO IT REALLY JUST
SHOWS

HOW INCREASED COLLABORATION
AND

HOLDING ACCOUNTABILITY I
WOULD

SAY TO MOVING ACTIONS FORWARD

CAN HELP MOVE PEOPLE INTO
HOUSING.

SO HOUSING EXITS

MEANSMEANS

PEOPLE FROM HOMELESSNESS INTO
HOUSING?
CORRECT.

OKAY.

YEAH, EXIT IS

A CONFUSING

WORD IN THAT SCENARIO, SO THANK

YOU FOR THAT CLARIFYING
QUESTION.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT
MEANT

PEOPLE WERE LOSING HOUSING
OR --
GOOD QUESTION, YEAH.

EXIT FROM THE THING THAT WE'RE

DOING INTO THE -- YEAH,
RIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER
ZOLLMAN.

YEAH, FIRST

THANKS FOR THE
PRESENTATION TO BOTH OF YOU.

VERY CLEAR.

AND THANKS FOR INCLUDING THE

DATA FROM SONOMA VALLEY AND FROM

PETALUMA BECAUSE, YOU

KNOW, WE
ARE

A LITTLE COMPETITIVE IN THE

WEST, AND WE

WANT TO MAKE SURE

THAT WE'RE KEEPING UP KEEPING

EVERYBODY GOING -- ALL
THE
HAPPENINGS IN THE COUNTY.

CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN JUST BIG

PICTURE WHY THE DATA
IS
IMPORTANT?

BECAUSE I ATTENDED ONE OF THE
ELECTED MEETINGS.

WHAT I HEARD THE MAYOR OF
THE

CITY OF SONOMA MET WITH THE

CHAIR OF THE BOARD
OF

SUPERVISORS, REVIEWED ALL THAT

DATA, MAYBE SOME OF THE
DATA

THAT WAS IN THE SLIDE, AND

SOMEBODY WAS ABLE TO SAY IF
YOU

PRODUCE THIS AMOUNT OF HOUSING

BY THIS DATE, YOU WILL

EFFECTIVELY BE WITHOUT ANY
UNHOUSED.

YEAH.

AND I SHOWED

THAT SLIDE, WHERE

IF YOU -- I MEAN, IT WOULD TAKE

A WHILE TO DESCRIBE THE

DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING BUT

YOU HAVE RAPID REHOUSING AND

PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE

HOUSING,

WHICH TONIGHT IS A LOT OF
WHAT

THE SLIDES ARE
ABOUT.

IF YOU BUILD "X" AMOUNT WE CAN

END HOMELESSNESS THE MOMENT
THAT
HAPPENS.

AND
THAT REDIRECTS INVESTMENTS.

RIGHT.

AND THAT WOULD TIE IN AND
HELP

STAFF ESPECIALLY PLANNING
WHO

HAVE TO KEEP TRACK
OF OUR

HOUSING
NUMBERS, RIGHT?

THAT DATA WOULD REALLY
BE

HELPFUL TO CITY STAFF WHO ARE

FRANTICALLY TRYING TO

KEEP UP

WITH OUR HOUSING ELEMENTS
AND
KEEP
THOSE UPDATED.

I THINK SO.

YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

OKAY, GOOD.

AND YOU'VE ALSO HAD

SIMILAR
SUCCESS IN PETALUMA.

I'VE HEARD THERE WAS A SIMILAR

MEETING WITH MAYOR OF

PETALUMA

TO TALK ABOUT SOME SAME SORT OF
OUTCOME.

I MEAN, THEY PRESENTED
AT

THEIR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS,
SO

IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF

DIFFERENT

DYNAMIC THERE, BUT HE'S -- YOU

KNOW, THEY'RE AWARE OF THE SAME
DATA.

I KNOW REACH FOR HOME
DOES

SIMILAR WORK UP IN NORTH
COUNTY

AND CITY OF SANTA ROSA -- BOTH
DO THE SAME.

THEY'RE IN-HOUSE SO

THEIR CITY

STAFF ARE RUNNING THIS

PROCESS,

BUT IT'S
HAPPENING EVERYWHERE.

SO REALISTICALLY GIVEN THE

BINAMES AND WHEN IT'S

STARTED,

WHEN COULD WE INVITE YOU
BACK?
OH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I WOULD SAY SIX MONTHS AT THE
EARLIEST.

IT WILL TAKE TIME TO
REALLY
DEVELOP THE FULL PICTURE.

OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

WE HAD -- OUR VICE MAYOR
HAD
A QUESTION.

I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON
A

QUESTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER
ZOLLMAN ASKED.

SO HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS ARE
ACTUALLY NEEDED?

I'M NOT SEEING THAT IN THE
REPORT.

I DON'T KNOW YET BECAUSE
WE
HAVEN'T STARTED THE PROCESS.

IN WEST COUNTY, WE'LL GET THERE.

BY THE WAY, WE WILL HAVE --
OUR

INTENTION IS TO
TRACK

SPECIFICALLY WHO IS

SPENDING

MOST OF THEIR TIME
IN

SEBASTOPOL, SO IT'S NOT -- WE'LL

BE ABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE TO
A
LARGE EXTENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

OH, I'M SORRY, YOU HAVE
YOUR
HAND UP.

THERE WE GO.

I CAN SEE IT, COUNCIL MEMBER
CARTER.

YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT

SO SOME ARE LEAVING AND SOME
NEW
ARE
COMING IN.

ON AVERAGE ON ANY GIVEN DAY IN

SEBASTOPOL, ABOUT HOW MANY

PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS?

AND IS THERE EVER GOING TO BE
A

RAPID HOUSING NUMBER THAT WORKS

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NEW PEOPLE

ARE ENTERING --

THAT'S A REALLY INSIGHTFUL

QUESTION, SOMETHING WE TALK A

LOT ABOUT IN HOMELESS

SERVICES
IS THE

ANALOGY THAT I LIKE BEST
IS LIKE A BATHTUB, RIGHT.

SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR FAUCET
COMING

IN, AND THAT'S THE PEOPLE THAT
ARE BECOMING HOMELESS.

AND THEN YOU'VE KNOT YOUR
DRAIN

GOING OUT, AND THAT'S YOUR
HOUSING OUTFLOW.

SO YOU WANT TO CLOSE YOUR
FAUCET

AND OPEN YOUR

DRAIN AS MUCH AND

PEOPLE, AND THEN HELP THE PEOPLE

THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING

HOMELESSNESS IN A DIGNIFIED
WAY
AS BEST AS YOU CAN.

AND SO I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR

QUESTION NOW BECAUSE WE

HAVEN'T

STARTED COLLECTING THE DATA
YET

IN A REALLY MEANINGFUL WAY,
BUT
WE WILL GET THERE.

TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN, WE

WILL BE

ABLE TO SAY DEFINITIVELY

HERE'S HOW MANY YOU WOULD
NEED

TO END HOMELESSNESS FOR
THE
GROUP TODAY.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO A LOT
OF

PREDICTIVE ANALYSIS TO SAY
OVER

TIME AND HERE'S HOW MUCH
MORE
YOU WOULD NEED.

DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION?
ALL RIGHT.

AND I JUST HAVE A

QUICK QUESTION

JUST LISTENING
TO THIS HERE.

I MEAN, WE CAN SAY HOW MUCH WE

NEED, BUT IT ALL DEPENDS
ON

WHETHER OR NOT THEY

ACCEPT,

RIGHT, I MEAN SERVICES AND
HOUSING.

BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING FROM

PEOPLE THAT SAY, YEAH, I
HEARD

ABOUT IT BUT I DON'T WANT
ANY

HOUSING, I'M HAPPY WITH WHAT
I'M
DOING.

ISN'T THAT PART OF THE

CHALLENGE
THAT WE HAVE?

I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU INVEST

IN OUTREACH WHICH IS WHY
WE'RE
HERE TODAY.

I'VE BEEN WORKING AND

MANAGING

STREET OUTREACH TEAMS FOR A LONG
TIME, ABOUT 16 YEARS NOW.

IN ALL THE YEARS I'VE
BEEN

EITHER MYSELF

DOING STREET

OUTREACH OR WORKING WITH
STAFF

I'VE ONLY EVER ENCOUNTERED ONE

PERSON WHO AFTER TWO YEARS
OF

CONTINUOUS ENGAGEMENT DIDN'T
SAY
YES, RIGHT.

SO IT SOMETIMES TAKES THAT,
AND

IT SOMETIMES TAKES SAYING
HELLO
EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR TWO YEARS.

BUT IT -- I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE.

YES, THERE ARE PEOPLE
WHO

IMMEDIATELY SAY NO

BECAUSE

THEY'VE BEEN TRAUMATIZED BY
THE

SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY ARE

EXPERIENCING A DIFFERENT REALITY

THAN THE REST OF US, YOU
KNOW,

WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT THAT IS
THE

MAGIC OF STREET OUTREACH IS

UNDERSTANDING WHAT MAKES THIS

PERSON TICK AND HOW CAN I
GET

THEM TO
YES.

ALL RIGHT.

IF THERE ARE NO OTHER

QUESTIONS,
THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND THANK YOU
SO MUCH.

THANK YOU,
MAYOR.

YOU GUYS CAN GO AHEAD AND SIT
DOWN.

I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP
FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT ON
THE

CONTRACTS FOR THE

HEART/SOUL AS
WELL AS WCCS.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT ON THIS ITEM,

GEB IT IS

A TWO-MINUTE TIME LIMIT AND I
GO

TO CHAMBERS FIRST AND GO OUT
TO
ZOOM.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN CHAMBERS.

SEEING NONE, I'LL GO OUT
TO
ZOOM.

ROB, CAN YOU UNMUTE

YOURSELF,

PLEASE?

ROB, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF --
WHOOPS.

CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE?
THERE YOU GO.

CAN YOU SEE THE
TIMER?

I CAN'T, BUT IT'S
OKAY.

GO
AHEAD.

IT'S NOT REALLY -- I
GUESS

IT'S A COMMENT, BUT I'VE HEARD
A

LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING
TODAY

ABOUT HOW THERE'S PROMISES THAT

ARE MADE THAT, YOU KNOW,
AREN'T

ACHIEVABLE OR MAYBE NEVER
COULD
BE ACHIEVED.

AND WHEN I HEAR ABOUT IF YOU

BUILD THIS MANY UNITS,

THAT YOU

CAN END

HOMELESSNESS, THAT'S
REALLY HARD FOR ME TO ACCEPT.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT I DON'T

KNOW ABOUT HOMELESSNESS,
BUT

THAT'S HARD FOR ME TO

ACCEPT YOU

CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALL

DEPENDENT ON THE MONEY THAT
CAN

CONTINUE TO COME IN TO

SUPPORT
PEOPLE.

IF THEY DON'T GET JOBS FOR
A

LONG TIME, YOU MAY BE ABLE
TO

HOUSE THEM, BUT THAT'S ONLY
A

SMALL PART OF IT AS FAR AS I
CAN
TELL.

AND I THINK THAT SAYING THIS

MAGIC NUMBER CAN END

HOMELESSNESS, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS

GROUP OF PEOPLE MAKES
PEOPLE

THINK IT'S GOING TO END

HOMELESSNESS AND THEY'RE
GOING
TO BE ALL DONE.

AND THE EXPECTATION IS NOT
NEAR
THE REALITY.

THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

NEXT I WILL COME BACK
INTO
CHAMBERS.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN CHAMBERS.

SEEING NONE, I'LL GO BACK OUT.

LEE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
YES.

THERE
YOU GO.

CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER
STILL?
CAN.

GO AHEAD,
I

PLEASE.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE HEART
ORGANIZATION.

THAT WAS THE FIRST PRESENTATION

THAT I'VE SEEN THAT GIVES
ME

SOME CONFIDENCE, A BIT OF

CONFIDENCE THAT THE COUNTY
MIGHT

ACTUALLY HAVE A WORKABLE PLAN TO

IMPROVE THE PROBLEM OF
HOMELESSNESS.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE THE
NUMBER

OF UNHOUSED LIVING ON
OUR

STREETS GO DOWN
NEXT YEAR.

THE DATA WAS REALLY INTERESTING.

I THINK SANDRA POINTED OUT OR
ASKED ABOUT THE 67

HOMELESSNESS

AND OUR NUMBER KIND OF
SOUNDS
LIKE THAT IT IS.

TWO YEARS AGO IT WAS A HUNDRED.

AND LAST YEAR IT WAS ZERO,
AND
AT THE POINT IN TIME COUNT.

NO ONE REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS
A

HUNDRED AND NO ONE REALLY
THOUGHT IT WAS ZERO.

THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE MOVING IN

AND OUT OF THE CITY LIMITS

PROBABLY MAKES THE POINT IN
TIME
COUNT USELESS.

BUT IF YOU'RE

IN CONTACT WITH

67, THAT'S PROBABLY A
DECENT

ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE

ONGOING

NUMBER IS AND SOMETHING

THAT WE

COULD WORK WITH IN THE FUTURE
IN
TERMS OF GETTING IT DOWN.

THAT WOULD ALSO CONTINUE TO KEEP

US IN THE HIGHEST PER
CAPITA

NUMBER OF HOMELESS OF ANY
CITY
IN THE COUNTY.

I'M NOT SURE WHY COUNCIL MEMBER

ZOLLMAN WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE
HOUSING ELEMENT.

WE HAVE MORE PSH UNITS RIGHT
NOW

PER CAPITA THAN ANY
OTHER CITY.

I KIND OF WONDER IF THE ENTIRE

COUNTY BILL AS

MUCH SUPPORTIVE

PERMANENT HOUSING PER CAPITA AS

SEBASTOPOL, IF THAT WOULD
BE

ENOUGH HOMES TO END

HOMELESSNESS
OR UNHOUSED.

JUST
A THOUGHT.

THANKS.

BYE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

NEXT I WILL COME BACK
INTO
CHAMBERS.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN

CHAMBERS

THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A

PUBLIC

COMMENT
ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NONE, I WILL GO BACK OUT
TO ZOOM.

IF THERE'S ANYONE ON ZOOM
THAT

WOULD LIKE TO

PUBLIC COMMENT ON

THIS ITEM TO PLEASE

RAISE YOUR
HAND VIRTUALLY.

SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS
CLOSED FOR THIS ITEM.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

SO WE'RE BACK AT THE DAIS
FOR
ANY COMMENTS.

GO AHEAD, COUNCIL
MEMBER
ZOLLMAN.

NO, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE
PRESENTERS.

THE DATA WAS GREAT PRESENTING
AN

END GOAL OF WHAT IF WE REALLY

FOCUS ON THE DATA WE REALLY CAN

STRIKE TO GET A NUMBER TO
MOVE
TOWARDS EVERYONE HAVING HOUSED.

SO I WILL END UP MOVING STAFF
RECOMMENDATIONS.

I'LL SECOND.

IS THAT A -- DO WE HAVE OTHER
COMMENTS?

COUNCIL MEMBER

HINTON DOES.

YEAH, I MEAN, I HAVE

SUPPORTED THESE SERVICES AND

WEST COUNTY COMMUNITY

SERVICES

TO PROVIDE THEM I THINK AS
LONG
AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.

I DID -- I WILL SUPPORT
THIS

AGAIN TONIGHT, BUT I WANT TO

SEND A REALLY CLEAR MESSAGE THAT

I HEARD APOLOGIES ABOUT LACK OF

OVERSIGHT, AND THAT'S HARD TO

HEAR REALLY WHEN WE'RE PAYING
FOR SERVICES.

I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T
SAY IT

OUT LOUD BECAUSE WE'RE

GOING INTO

ANOTHER CONTRACTCONTRACT

TONIGHT AND -- WELL, I SUPERVISE

STAFF, AND AS A SUPERVISOR OF

STAFF YOU CAN MAKE A MISTAKE BUT

YOU CAN'T MAKE IT OVER AND OVER
AGAIN.

I AM A BIT DISAPPOINTED TONIGHT.

I NEED TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD TO
THE
PUBLIC.

WE'RE SPENDING THEIR MONEYCH .

I DO WANT -- I KNOW PEOPLE
ARE

IN NEED AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN FOR
THESE SERVICES.

BUT I WANT TO ENSURE IF
WE'RE

SIGNING A CONTRACT THAT WE
HAVE

SOME ACCOUNTABILITY
AND

OVERSIGHT BY THE VENDOR
THAT
WE'RE SELECTING.

SO WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.

AND ANY

OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE
I MAKE MINE?

AND I WANTED TO BE CLEAR HERE

BEFORE I SAY THAT, DO
WE

ACTUALLY HAVE A MOTION BECAUSE
I

THOUGHT WE WERE JUST DOING

COMMENTS, AND THEN I
HEARD

COUNCIL MEMBER ZOLLMAN DO
A
MOTION.

WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND.

WHAT WAS THE MOTION
EXACTLY?

SO THE MOTION IS WHAT IS
IN
THE STAFF REPORT.

IT IS TO AUTHORIZE A

CONTINUED

PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SONOMA

COUNTY HEART AND SOUL
FOR

DEDICATED OUTREACH SERVICES AND

SUCCESS OR MOU, AND HEART HAS

ALSO AGREED OR THE COUNTY
HAS

AGREED TO CONTINUE THE SERVICES

UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT WE CAN

BRING THAT CONTRACT BACK AS WELL

AS APPROVING THE

PROFESSIONAL

SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE WEST

COUNTY COMMUNITY SERVICES FOR THE
FY26, 26 HOMELESS

OUTREACH
SERVICES.

GOT IT.

I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND

BEFORE I
MAKE MY COMMENT.

I AM IN AGREEMENT

WITH BRINGINGBRINGING
BACK, YOU "A," THE HEART

AND SOUL IN THAT, BUT I

CERTAINLY

CANNOT SUPPORT
GIVEN

WHAT WE'VE
HEARD TONIGHT.

IT'S SOMETHING OVER THE YEARS

I'VE NOT

BEEN SUPPORTIVE IN THE

PAST AND I'M NOT ABLE TO
OVERLOOK THAT.

WE'RE A CITY STRAPPED FOR
MONEY.

WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, A
GREAT

FLUCTUATION IN THE UNHOUSED
WE

HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND IT IS
QUITE HIGH.

AND I'M

JUST DISAPPOINTED TO

HEAR THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING

ALL THESE REPORTS ALL THIS TIME,
AND THEY'RE NOT ACCURATE.

SO YES FOR PART OF IT,
BUT I

WILL NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE

FOR

THIS IF IT INCLUDES

EVERYTHING

BECAUSE PERSONALLY I THINK IF

ANYTHING ELSE I'D LIKE TO SEE
THAT $40,000 THERE IS
GOING

TOWARD SOMETHING ELSE THAT
MIGHT

BE MORE EFFECTIVE FOR US

WHETHER

IT'S A PART-TIME POLICE

OFFICER

OR PART-TIME SOMETHING ELSE
THAT

CAN DO SOMETHING, BUT I'M NOT

ABLE TO OVERLOOK THE FACT
THIS
LACK OF MANAGEMENT HAS HAPPENED.

I JUST DON'T THINKTHINK
-- IN

MY OPINION AS A COUNCIL

MEMBER I

DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE

OVERLOOKING THAT AND SAY, OKAY,

DO BETTER NEXT
TIME.

I CAN'T DO THAT, SO

THAT'S WHERE
I'M AT
WITH THIS.

I EXPECT MORE FOR OUR TAXPAYER
DOLLARS.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE
ELSE

HAS A COMMENT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO
DO --

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR WOULD

YOU LIKE ME TO CALL FOR THE
MOTION?

GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR

VOTE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ZOLLMAN MOVED

AND VICE MAYOR MAURER

AUTHORIZED

THE MOTION TO CONTINUE
THE

PARTNERSHIP WITH SONOMA
COUNTY

HEART TO RETURN TO FULL CITY

COUNCIL MEETING

UNDERSTANDING

THE COUNTY WILL CONTINUE

SERVICES UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT

MOU RETURNS TO THE COUNCIL
AND

AUTHORIZING PROFESSIONAL

SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH
WEST
COUNTY SERVICES FOR THE FY26, 27

OUTREACH HOMELESS SERVICES IN
AN
AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $40,000
AND

AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF THE
AGREEMENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER
CARTER?
YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER HINTON?

I GUESS I'M GOING TO SAY YES
TONIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER
ZOLLMAN?
YELL.

VICE
MAYOR MAURER.

YES.

MAYOR McLEWIS?
NO.

MOTION PASSES 4-1 WITH

COUNCIL MEMBERS -- IN SUPPORT
AND VICE MAYOR IN OPPOSITION.

BEFORE WE MOVE ON I WANTED
TOTO
TWO THINGS.

AFTER THIS BREAK I'M GOING TO
BE
EXITING THE MEETING.

I ACTUALLY HAVE A SURGERY AT
6:00 A.M.

TOMORROW MORNING.

I'M SORRY.

I LEARNED THAT THIS AFTERNOON,

SO VICE MAYOR I'M JUST GOING
TO

ASK YOU TO TAKE OVER FOR THIS
LAST
ITEM.

OKAY.

SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT I
DIDN'T

HAVE TIME TO LET YOU KNOW THAT
BEFORE THIS.

DO YOU WANT TO DO FIVE

MINUTES

OR DO YOU WANT TO TAKE -- VICE

MAYOR, YOU SAID YOU WANTED A

BREAK, SO IS FIVE MINUTES
ENOUGH?

YES.

OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD
ANDAND

THAT AND THANK YOU FOR
TAKING
OVER.

SORRY ABOUT THAT BUT I HAVE
TO

TAKE CARE OF

MY HEALTH, SO THANK
YOU.

SO ARE WE READY TOTO
GOING?TECH,
MARY?

OKAY, WELCOME BACK TO THE
CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

WE ARE GOING TO NEXT
TAKE
ITEM -- AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12,

WHICH IS POTENTIAL OPTIONS TO

ADDRESS

COMMUNITY CONCERNS

REGARDING GRAFFITI AND
RACIAL

MOCKERY ASSOCIATED WITH THE
SAFEWAY AREA.

AND WHO WILL BE PRESENTING
THIS?
I WILL, VICE MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING, AGAIN, EXCUSE ME.

AS THE COUNCIL KNOWS, OVER
A

PERIOD OF WEEKS THE COUNCIL

RECEIVED A NUMBER

OF COMPLAINTS

FROM MEMBERS OF THE

COMMUNITY

REGARDING GRAFFITI AND

OTHER

TYPES OF RACIAL HARASSMENT
THAT

HAVE BEEN OCCURRING AT OR NEAR

THE SAFEWAY STORE

INVOLVING
YOUTH IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND ON AUGUST 4th THE COUNCIL

DISCUSSED THIS AND

DISCUSSED

SOME OPTIONS

AND POSSIBILITIES

FOR DEALING WITH THIS AND

PROVIDED A DIRECTION TO ME
TO

PREPARE A REPORT ON SOME OF THE

LEGAL TOOLS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT

BE AVAILABLE

FOR DEALING WITH
THIS.DEALING

IN PARTICULAR THERE WAS A
EMPHASIS ON RESTORATIVE JUSTICE.

AND SO I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE NOW

AND THEN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU
MAY
HAVE.

SO THE FIRST ONE I WANT TO
TOUCH

ON IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT AN

OPTION, WHICH MANDATING

IMPROVEMENTS AT THE
SITE.

YEAH, SORRY.

MANDATING -- IS THAT BETTER?

MANDATING PHYSICAL

IMPROVEMENTS

AT THE SITE WHETHER THAT BE A
FENCE OR CAMERAS.

THE CITY GENERALLY

DOES NOT HAVETHE

ABILITY TO REQUIRE

PRIVATE

PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE PHYSICAL
IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE OUTSIDEAN ENTITLEMENT PROCESS.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS COMMON
WHEN

A PROJECT COMES TO THE CITY
FOR

A USE PERMIT OR DESIGN REVIEW

FOR THE CITY TO REQUIRE THINGS

AT THAT POINT, BUT THE CITY
HAS

NO ABILITY IN GENERAL TO DO
THAT

ON AN AD HOC BASIS OUTSIDE OF
THAT PERMANENT PROCESS.

SO IF THIS PROPERTY

OWNER CAME

TO THE CITY IN THE FUTURE FOR --

IF THEY NEEDED A CONDITIONAL USE

PERMIT FOR ANYTHING OR IF THEY,

YOU KNOW, WERE DOING A

REMODEL

AND NEEDED DESIGN REVIEW,
THE

CITY MIGHT HAVE ABILITY TO
DO

THAT -- REQUIRE THOSE AT THAT

TIME, BUT WE -- IT'S NOT

SOMETHING WE CAN REQUIRE SORT
OF

ON AN AD HOC BASIS OUTSIDE OF

THOSE -- THE EXERCISE OF
OUR
LAND USE AUTHORITY.

SO GOING INTO JUST A

COUPLE OF

OUR OPTIONS THAT WE DO HAVE IS
THE CITY HAS BEEN MEETING.

YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR INITIALLY

CONVENED MEETINGS WITH -- AND IS

CONTINUING AN ATTEMPT TO

CONVENE

MEETINGS WITH SORT OF ALL THE

INTERESTED PARTIES --

NEIGHBORHOOD, RESIDENTS,
THE

SCHOOL, SAFEWAY, AS WELL AS
THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO THOSE, OF COURSE, CAN
CONTINUE.

AND I DO WANT TO

ACKNOWLEDGE

THAT WE HAD IT ORIGINALLY

MISSTATED IN THE STAFF
REPORT

THAT THOSE -- THAT THAT

MEETING

WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE
COUNCIL FORMALLY.

IT HAS NOT BEEN.

IT WAS SOMETHING
DONE

SEPARATIVELY AND THE
CITY

MANAGER AUTHORIZED STAFF
TO

PARTICIPATE IN
THOSE
DISCUSSIONS.

SO THAT CAN CONTINUE.

AND WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK
ON

TRYING TO GET

VOLUNTARY

AGREEMENT WITH SAFEWAY
ABOUT

INSTALLING SOME OF
THESE

PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS OR TAKING
OTHER STEPS.

SOME OF THE OTHER VOLUNTARY

STEPS THAT ARE POSSIBLE
ARE

ENFORCEMENT OF TRESPASSING

LAWS,
RIGHT?

AS PROPERTY OWNER THEY CAN SIGN

DOCUMENTS ALLOWING POLICE

DEPARTMENT TO

ENFORCE

TRESPASSING LAWS EVEN

IF THEY
ARE NOT ON SITE.

SO THAT WOULD ALLOW THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT TO

ENFORCE

TRESPASSING LAWS, YOU
KNOW,

OVERNIGHT WHEN THE SITE IS NOT

OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, OPEN
FOR
THE PUBLIC TO USE.

THE CITY COULD ALSO DO
A

GRAFFITI ABATEMENT

ORDINANCE

THAT ALLOWS THE PROPERTY
OWNER

TO CLEAR THE GRAFFITI WITHIN A
SPECIFIED AMOUNT OF TIME.

IF NOT THE CITY WOULD
PURSUE

CODE ENFORCEMENT EITHER FINES
OR

POTENTIALLY THE CITY DOING

REMOVAL ITSELF AND SEEKING COST

RECOVERY FROM THE

PROPERTY
OWNER.

THAT IS

SOMETHING THAT IS

POSSIBLE, AND MANY CITIES HAVE

THOSE TYPES OF ORDINANCES, AND

THERE ARE PROCESSES
FOR

RECOVERING THOSE COSTS
BY

PUTTING IT ON --

EITHER

RECORDING IT AS A LIEN ON THE

PROPERTY OR RECORDING IT AS
A

SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AND

COLLECT
ON A PROPERTY TAX ROLL.

SO THOSE ORDINANCES GENERALLY

REQUIRE -- ESTABLISHES

A PERIOD

OF TIME IN WHICH GRAFFITI
MUST

BE REMOVED, SO THAT COULD BE
AS

LITTLE AS
24 HOURS.
72 HOURS IS VERY COMMON.

SOME CITIES ALLOW EVEN MORE
THAN
THAT.

AND THEN BASED ON

COUNCIL

DIRECTION, THERE WERE

QUESTIONS
ABOUT RESTORATIVE JUSTICE.

AND, YOU KNOW, TO VERY

OVERSIMPLIFY THIS

STORATIVE

JUSTICE IS INTENDED AS A PROCESS

WHERE OUTSIDE THE TRADITIONAL

SORT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM,

WHERE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH

DIALOGUE
AND

COMMUNICATION,

PARTIES MEET

TO DISCUSS THE

INCIDENT, THE HARM, WHY IT WAS

CAUSED, THE REASONS THAT
IT

OCCURRED TRYING TO REACH
A

RESOLUTION AND SORT
OF

PERMANENT -- MAYBE

NOT PERMANENT

BUT A PERMANENT

FORWARD WHERE

EVERYONE FEELS HEARD AND THERE
ARE SOLUTIONS.

AGAIN, THAT'S AN

OVERSIMPLIFICATION OF THE
PROCESS.

AND RESTORATIVE JUSTICE IS
ONE
TYPE
OF DIVERSION PROGRAM.

THERE ARE OTHER TYPES
OF

DIVERSION PROGRAMS TRYING TO

STEER RATHER THAN SEND PEOPLE
TO

JAIL OR THROUGH THE
NORMAL

CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROCESS WHERE

THEY ARE DIVERTED TO

ANOTHER
PROGRAM.

SO THERE ARE A COUPLE WAYS
THIS
HAPPENS.

THE SONOMA COUNTY JUVENILE

JUSTICE SYSTEM HAS DIVERSION
PROGRAMS.

IT HAS RESTORATIVE

JUSTICE

PROGRAMS LIKE MANY SYSTEMS
IN
THE STATE.

SO THAT REQUIRES SOMEONE TO BE

REFERRED TO, YOU KNOW,
THOSE
PROCESSES.

THE PROBATION

DEPARTMENT,

JUVENILE JUSTICE IS

OPERATED

THROUGH THE

PROBATION
DEPARTMENT.

THEY MIGHT MAKE -- YOU KNOW,
FOR

ANY PARTICULAR CASE THEY
MIGHT

DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT A

REFERRAL
TO DIVERSION IS APPROPRIATE.

IF THAT'S SUCCESSFUL, THE

PROCESS AGAIN THAT CASE MAY
BE
DISMISSED.

IF NOT, IT MIGHT BE

REFERRED

BACK TO THE NORMAL

JUVENILE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

PROBATION MAY ALSO DECIDE
THAT,

YOU KNOW, A PARTICULAR CASE

ISN'T SUITABLE FOR DIVERSION AND

SEND IT INITIALLY TO THE
TRADITIONAL PROCESS.

THAT, OF COURSE, DOES REQUIRE A

CRIMINAL REFERRAL TO THE

PROBATION DEPARTMENT THAT, YOU

KNOW, AFTER A

CRIMINAL CITATION

OR ARREST
IS MADE.

AND THEN AS PART OF INTAKE AT

THE PROBATION

DEPARTMENT THEY

WOULD GO THROUGH A FULL PROCESS

GENERALLY, WHICH WOULD INVOLVE

FINGERPRINTING AND THINGS
LIKE
THAT.

THE CITY DOES NOT FINGERPRINT.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT
THE
CITY DOES.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT

HAPPENS

AT THE COUNTY LEVEL WHEN
AN

INDIVIDUAL IS

BOOKED FOR LACK OFFOR
BETTER WORD.

SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
CITIES

WHO -- THROUGHOUT THE STATE WHO

MIGHT SPONSOR

RESTORATIVE
JUSTICE PROGRAMS.

AND USUALLY THOSE ARE SEPARATE

FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
AND
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW,
GRANT

FUNDING THAT'S SPONSORED WITH
A

SCHOOL DISTRICT OR OTHER

PROVIDERS, SO THAT'S A RESOURCE
FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MIGHT

MAKE REFERRALS TO THOSE

PROGRAMS

FOR OUR CASES WHERE THEY THINK,
HEY,

THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WHERE

WE WANT TO -- MAYBE IT'S NOT

ILLEGAL CONDUCT, NECESSARILY,

BUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THINKS

IT WOULD BENEFIT FROM
GOING

THROUGH SOME OF THIS PROCESS AND

THEY MAY SUGGEST OR REFER
PEOPLE

TO IT, OR IT MAY BE A TYPE OF

LOW LEVEL CRIME WHERE THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT DETERMINES IT'S

NOT

APPROPRIATE TO DO A

CRIMINAL

PROCESS WHERE A CITATION
IS
ISSUED OR AN ARREST IS MADE.

BUT THE MOST COMMON WAY
THIS

WORKS IS THOSE REFERRALS ARE

MADE, MIGHT COME FROM THE
POLICE

DEPARTMENT, MIGHT COME
FROM
SOMEONE ELSE.

THE RESTORATIVE

JUSTICE PROGRAM

GOES ON, AND THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT IS NOT

INVOLVED
ANYMORE.

IT HAPPENS THERE.

IF IT'S NOT

SUCCESSFUL, POLICE

DEPARTMENT DOESN'T KNOW
ABOUT
IT.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY FELT

WARRANTED, YOU KNOW,

CRIMINAL
CITATION TO BEGIN WITH.

IT'S ONE OF THE MOST COMMON

TYPES OF
PROGRAMS RUN BY CITIES.

THERE ARE PROGRAMS RUN BY
CITIES

WHERE A POLICE -- NOT RUN BY

CITIES BUT PARTNERED WITH

CITIES, WHERE POLICE DEPARTMENT

MIGHT ISSUE A CRIMINAL CITATION
TO SOMEONE.

RATHER THAN IT BE SENT TO
THE

JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM, THAT

PERSON IS REFERRED TO
A

RESTORATIVE JUSTICE

PROGRAM

WHICH REPORTS BACK TO THE
POLICE
DEPARTMENT.

AND IF THE PROCESS IS

SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW,
THAT'S
SORT OF END OF THE LINE.

IF A PROCESS IS UNSUCCESSFUL FOR

WHATEVER REASON, THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT MAY THEN DECIDE TO
MOVE

FORWARD WITH

REFERRING THE

CITATION TO THE

PROBATION

DEPARTMENT AND JUVENILE
JUST
SYSTEM.

SO AT TIMES IN THE

PAST, YOU

KNOW, SEBASTOPOL AT ONE POINT

HAD GRANT FUNDING
AND

PARTICIPATED IN A PROGRAM
LIKE
THIS.

THAT FUNDING HAS EXPIRED.

IT HASN'T BEEN USED IN A COUPLE
YEARS.

I DO WANT TO NOTE, THOUGH, THIS

PROCESS INVOLVES A

CITATION

BEING ISSUED BY THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.

AND SO WHILE THEY

AREN'TAREN'T

AND PART OF
THE

COUNTY SYSTEM, THERE IS A

CASE

REPORT ON THEM IN THE JUVENILES

IN THE CITY'S RECORDKEEPING AND
CITY'S POLICE RECORDS.

AND SO JUVENILE RECORDS ARE

CONFIDENTIAL, BUT IN RESPONSE TO

A LAWFUL SUBPOENA OR COURT ORDER

OR LAWFUL JUDICIAL WARRANT LIKE

THOSE -- THOSE RECORDS WOULD
BE
RELEASED.

THEY EXIST AND WOULD BE
RELEASED.

AND SO I'LL PAUSE THERE.

I THINK THAT SORT OF

SUMMARIZES MOST

OF THE -- THE SORT OF BROAD
OPTIONS.

AND I THINK THE

DISTINCTION

HAVING HEARD SOME QUESTIONS FROM

COUNCIL MEMBER ZOLLMAN, YOU

KNOW, THERE WAS A CONCERN

SPECIFICALLY
ABOUT
FINGERPRINTING.

AND THAT WOULD NOT
HAPPEN

THROUGH A CITATION UNLESS
A

CITATION WAS REFERRED TO THE
COUNTY.

HOWEVER, JUST TO REITERATE

AGAIN, IF A CITATION IS

ISSUED,

WHICH IS REALLY

NECESSARY IF THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO

MONITOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE

RESTORATIVE JUSTICE PROCESS AND

POTENTIALLY REFER IT
TO

PROBATION AT
A LATER POINT.

A CITATION REALLY DOES NEED
TO
BE ISSUED UP FRONT.

AND WHILE NO

FINGERPRINTING

OCCURS, THAT DOES CREATE A LOCAL

CITATION RECORD IN THE
POLICE
RECORDKEEPING SYSTEM.

WITH THAT I'LL PAUSE AND SEE
IF

THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM
COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER
ZOLLMAN.

THANK YOU, ALEX, FOR
THE
REPORT.

YES, THE FINGERPRINTING
IS OF

HIGH CONCERN, AND I'D LIKE
YOU

TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO
THE

PUBLIC ALONG WITH THE CHIEF
THE
CONSEQUENCES OF FINGERPRINTING.

BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD THE CHIEF

SAY BEFORE HE SEEMED EXCITED
AND
PROUD OF HIS ARREST RECORD.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW
THE

CONSEQUENCES TO OUR YOUTH IF
WE

DO GO WITH A PROCESS THAT

INVOLVES FINGERPRINTING.

WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR

JUVENILES ONCE FINGERPRINTS
ARE
TAKEN BY A POLICE AUTHORITY?
HOW LONG ARE THEY KEPT ON FILE?

WHO HAS ACCESS TO THAT,

MEANING

HIGHER GOVERNMENTAL

AGENCIES,
THE FBI, ET CETERA?

AND PARTICULARLY FOR A BROWN

COMMUNITY WHAT ARE
THE

CONSEQUENCES IMMIGRATION
WISE?

THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS
IN THAT QUESTION.

CAN WE

BREAK THAT DOWN A LITTLE

SO THAT I CAN ATTEMPT TO
ANSWER
IT FOR
YOU?

I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM
YOU

TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC OF THE

CONSEQUENCES OF

FINGERPRINTING
FOR OUR YOUTH IN PARTICULAR.

HOW LONG DO THEY STAY IN THE

SYSTEM, WHAT OTHER

AGENCIES

HIGHER UP TO INCLUDE THE
FBI

HAVE ACCESS TO THE FACT
THAT

THERE ARE FINGERPRINTS

AVAILABLE, AND IN PARTICULAR
FOR

THE BROWN COMMUNITY, WHAT
ARE

YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF

THE

CONSEQUENCES

OF HAVING
FINGERPRINTS LEFT IN THE SYSTEM?
FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNDOCUMENTED.

WELL, FIRST UP WE
DON'T

MANAGE ANY FINGERPRINT

SYSTEMS,

SO I -- I REALLY

COULDN'T

COMMENT ON HOW THEY HANDLE
THAT
INFORMATION.

THAT WOULD BE LIKE ME

COMMENTING

ON ANOTHER CITY'S HANDLING
OF

RECORDS

OR FLOCK CAMERA RECORDS,

SO I COULDN'T REALLY PROVIDE
YOU

A DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON
THAT.

BUT I WOULD BE ASSUMING
THOSE

RECORDS ARE MAINTAINED
INDEFINITELY.

WHO THEY SHARE THEM WITH I HAVE
NO IDEA.

ARE YOU SAYING THE CITY
OF

SEBASTOPOL DOESN'T TAKE
FINGERPRINTS?
CORRECT.

OKAY.

THEY'RE OBTAINED WHEN PERHAPS

SOMEONE IS ON CUSTODIAL ARREST

AND TRANSFERRED -- IF THEY'RE
AN

ADULT AND TRANSFERRED TO
THE

SHERIFF'S OFFICE JAIL, THEY'D
BE

FINGERPRINTED AT THE

SHERIFF'S
OFFICE.

IN THE CASE OF JUVENILE

PROBATION, POSSIBLY THROUGH
THAT
PROCESS.

I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT
POINT

THROUGH THAT PROCESS BECAUSE
WE

DON'T HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT IN
THAT.

COUNCIL MEMBER HINTON.

I'M SURPRISED TO BE HEARING

ABOUT FINGERPRINTS FOR
YOUTH

BECAUSE I UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU

COULDN'T ROUTINELY
TAKE
FINGERPRINTS FOR YOUTH.

AM I

NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT
CORRECT?

I'M GLAD WE DON'T DO IT IN

SEBASTOPOL, BUT I

THOUGHT THAT

THAT WASN'T
ALLOWED.

WE HAVE NO INVOLVEMENT IN
THE

PROCESS, SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO
COMMENT ON IT.

OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER
CARTER.

YEAH, JUST SHIFTING BACK TO

SAFEWAY IS THAT

NECESSARILY
TARGETED?

ANYWAY, YOU'RE MENTIONING
WE

MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE
AN

ORDINANCE THAT KIND

OF AFFECTS

THE WAY SAFEWAY MONITORS
WHAT

HAPPENS AROUND
ITS PROPERTY.

WE COULD ADOPT A

GRAFFITI

ABATEMENT ORDINANCE
THAT

REQUIRES PROPERTY OWNERS,
NOT
JUST
SAFEWAY.

CORRECT.

BUT OTHER COMMERCIAL

PROPERTY

OWNERS TO REMOVE GRAFFITI WITHIN

SPECIFIED PERIODS OF TIME
OR

FACE FINES OR THE RISK OF THE

CITY REMOVING IT AND

CHARGING
THEM FOR THAT.

RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE

ANYTHING ANYWHERE
NEAR

CLOSE TO THAT ALREADY,

WHERE THEY MUST

MAINTAIN, YOU

KNOW, THE PROPERTY
NICELY?
NO.

NOT SOMETHING THAT IS CLEAR AND

EXPLICIT.

OKAY.

AND HAVE WE DISCUSSED WITH
THEM

ABOUT THE SHAPE OF THE BACK
OF
THE BUILDING?

LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING
A
LESS HABITABLE SPACE?

BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO

BE, YOU
KNOW, NICE.

OR IS THIS TOO DIRECTED MORE A
SPECIFIC PLACE?

IS THAT NOT
APPROPRIATE?
THAT'S A FINE QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYOR, IF YOU
KNOW

THAT'S COME UP IN
THE
CONVERSATION.

SO FOR THE COUPLE TIMES THAT

WE DID MEET WITH SAFEWAY WE
DID

DISCUSS AREAS BACK THERE,
AND

THEY HAVE STATED THEY COULD NOT

FENCE OFF CERTAIN AREAS IN THAT
BACK AREA.

SO WE HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION
WITH
SAFEWAY.

AND WOULD THIS

BE RECALLING

THE BLIGHT -- WE HAD A BLIGHT

POLICY THAT WE THOUGHT
ABOUT

REALLY HARD.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT KIND
OF

BRINGS IT
BACK?

WELL, THE BLIGHT ORDINANCE

THE COUNCIL CONSIDERED
WAS
BROUGHT.

IT DEALT

WITH ALL TYPES OF
BLIGHT.

IT WAS ALSO DRAFTED TO APPLY
TO

RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY
AND

COMMERCIAL

PROPERTY WHETHER OR

NOT IT WAS VISIBLE FROM
THE

FRONT OR BACK OF
THE STREET.

THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME

DECIDED

RATHER THAT NARROW IT

BY, YOU

KNOW, MAKING IT ONLY APPLY TO

COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, ONLY
APPLY

TO THINGS VISIBLE FROM THE

STREET, JUST TO NOT

MOVE FORWARD
WITH AT IT ALL.

THIS WOULD -- IF YOU DID A

GRAFFITI ORDINANCE, IT WOULD

CONTAIN ELEMENTS, BUT IT WOULD
OMBE ABOUT GRAFFITI.

IT WOULDN'T BE ABOUT OTHER
TYPES

OF BLIGHT LIKE

DISCARDED

FURNITURE OR, YOU KNOW --
YEAH, THAT'S COOL.

I'M JUST LEANING TOWARDS

HOLDING

THE PROPERTY OWNERS A LITTLE BIT

MORE FOR THE RESPONSIBILITY OF

WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR PROPERTY
JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO I WOULD LEAN IN THAT
DIRECTION.

TWO QUESTIONS.

HOW DOES GRAFFITI GET CLEANED
UP
NOW?
HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?

THE PROPERTY OWNERS NOW ARE

CLEANING IT UP IS
MY

UNDERSTANDING FROM MARY, THAT

SAFEWAY HAS IN THE PAST

CLEANED
UP THIS GRAFFITI.

I DON'T KNOW THAT EXACT.

WELL, IT USED TO BE
THAT

THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE WHO WERE

GETTING REIMBURSED FOR THE
COST

OF PAINT -- OR BEING
GIVEN

PAINT, AND THEY WOULD
GO

AROUND -- I DON'T KNOW HOW
OFTEN

THEY DID IT, BUT THEY WOULD
BE

COVERING UP -- THEY WERE

VOLUNTEERS, AND THEY
WERE
COVERING UP GRAFFITI.

DOES THAT

STILL HAPPEN?

YES, WE HAD -- AND STEVE,
AND

TV WAS ONE OF OUR
PUBLIC
COMMENTATORS EARLIER.

AND THAT'S A VOLUNTEER BASIS.

THEY DO WHAT THEY CAN.

AS FAR AS SAFEWAY AND
THEIR

RESPONSE TO GRAFFITI ON THE

BUILDING, WE MET WITH
THEM

MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT A

VARIETY

OF ISSUES, THAT BEING ONE OF
THEM.

AND THEY WERE VERY RECEPTIVE TO

HAVING AN EXTENDED PATROL
OF

THEIR OWN FACILITY,

WHICH I

DON'T THINK THEY WERE DOING

BEFORE THAT, WHERE THEY'D
WALK

AROUND THE ENTIRE PREMISES
IN
THE MORN [JUST SORT OF SEE WHAT
THE STATUS OF THINGS WERE.

AND THEY COMMITTED TO ATTEMPTING

TO REMOVE THE GRAFFITI WITHIN
24HOURS

ON THEIR OWN, WHICH I
THOUGHT WAS COMMENDABLE.

AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE THEY'VE
BEEN
DOING THAT.

ALEX, EARLIER IN
YOUR

PRESENTATION YOU SAID THAT
THE

CITY HAS BEEN MEETING WITH

A

COUNCIL MEMBER, WITH

SAFEWAY,

WITH NEIGHBORS, SCHOOL, AND THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SOME
STAFF.

AND I JUST WANT TO

DOUBLE-CHECK

WERE THE NEIGHBORS INCLUDED IN

ANY OF THOSE
MEETINGS?

SO THE FIRST THREE

MEETINGS

WAS WITH THE CITY'S -- THE

CHIEF, MYSELF, THE MAYOR AND

SAFEWAY AND ANALEE, I BELIEVE

THOSE WERE BACK IN FEBRUARY
OR

MARCH -- IT WAS THREE

MONTHS IN
THE SPRING.

WE HAVE NOT MET WITH THEM
SINCE
MAY.

WE DID MEET ONCE WITH THE

NEIGHBORS AND RECEIVED THEIR
CONCERNS.

WAS SAFEWAY THERE AS
WELL
THAT TIME?

NO, WE WANTED

TO MEET WITH

INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORS TO
TALK

WITH THEM TO SEE WHAT
THEIR
CONCERNS WERE.

I DID SAY WE DID REACH OUT TO

SAFEWAY AND ANALEE AND WE'VE NOT

HEARD BACK FROM THEM.

AT LEAST I'VE NOT HEARD
BACK
FROM
THEM.

I CAN SPEAK FOR THE

CONCLUSION OF THE

MEETING WITH

SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WE
HAD

HERE TONIGHT -- ON MY WAY
BACK

TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
I

ACTUALLY DRIVE ACROSS
THE

SUPERINTENDENT FOR THE SCHOOL

DISTRICT AND I HAD A

CONVERSATION WITH HIM

BASEDBASED ON
THAT.

AND THEY WERE VERY RECEPTIVE TO
IT.

WE DISCUSSED SOME
OF THE

RESIDENTS' CONCERNS
ABOUT

WANTING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF

ANTI-BIAS, ANTI-RACIAL --

ANTI-RACIST TYPE TRAINING IN

THESCHOOL,

THEY SAID THEY ACTUALLY

HAD THAT PROGRAM AND IT'S QUITE
ROBUST.

IRONICALLY THE TEACHER
THAT

TEACHED IT WALKED UP

ON US WHILE

WE WERE CHATTING, SO I DID HAVE
A CHAT WITH HIM AS WELL.

AND I I DID ASK IF THEY'D
LIKE

INVOLVEMENT FROM THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT, THEY WERE

RECEPTIVE
TO THAT IDEA AS WELL.

THAT'S ALL IN
PROGRESS.

OBVIOUSLY THEY JUST STARTED
A

NEW SCHOOL YEAR, AND
THAT'S

ALREADY
UNDERWAY.

SO INSERTING OURSELVES IN
A

CURRENT CURRICULUM IS NOT
AS

STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT MAY
SEEM,

BUT THEY WERE RECEPTIVE TO
THOSE

IDEAS THAT YOU CAME UP WITH, AND

WERE HAPPY TO BE
INVOLVED.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER
ZOLLMAN.

YEAH, JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT

ALL THESE MEETINGS THAT AN

ELECTED APPEARED NOT ON BEHALF

OF THE CITY, THAT WAS NOT A

COUNCIL VOTE TO HAVE THAT

ELECTED ATTEND THESE MEETINGS,
CORRECT?
THAT IS CORRECT.

SHE DID THAT AS AN INDIVIDUAL.

SO AS OF RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT

HAVE A VOTED UPON COUNCIL

LIAISON TO ANY OF THESE ISSUES,

CORRECT?
THAT
IS CORRECT.

AND JUST TO BE SUPER
CLEAR,

SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY DID
REACH

OUT TO THE PRINCIPAL OF
ANYLEE
FOR

HIS RESPONSE AND AS OF

TODAY, AGAIN, ZERO RESPONSE FROM
THE SCHOOL?
THAT IS CORRECT.

I SENT THEM AN E-MAIL AFTER --
I

CAN GO BACK AND FIND THE
DATE.

I SENT THEM TO ANAPLEE AND
SAFEWAY AND ASKED THEM.

THEY HAD REACHED OUT AND
WANTED

TO KNOW IF IT WAS SEPARATE FROM

THE MEETING WE HAD TAKEN PLACE

BACK IN THE SPRING,

AND THEY

SAID YES, AND THAT WAS THE
LAST

I'D HEARD FROM
THEM.

OKAY.

LOOPING BACK TO THE PAST

EXPERIENCES OF THIS CITY WITH

RESTORATIVE JUSTICE TO TRY TO DO

HOMEWORK IN PREPARATION FOR THIS

MEETING, I DID REACH OUT TO
THE

EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
RESTORATIVE RESOURCES.

ALEX, THAT WAS THE ENTITY THAT

THE CITY WORKED WITH IN THE
PAST, RIGHT?
SHE

DID A PROVIDING SUCCESSFUL
STATISTICS.

AND, ALEX, CAN YOU COMMENT OR

CAN THE CHIEF COMMENT TO
THE

PUBLIC ABOUT THE SUCCESS
RATE

FOR THOSE STUDENTS WHOSE

PARENTS

AGREED TO VOLUNTARILY GO THROUGH
THE PROGRAM?

YEAH, THE STATISTICS

THEY PROVIDED

WERE THAT BETWEEN WHEN

THE PROGRAM ENDED THERE WERE
16 REFERRALS.

ONE PARENT DECLINED
TO

PARTICIPATE
AND 15 YOUTH ENTERED

AND SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THE
PROGRAM.

AND IT WAS ABOUT -- THEY
SAY
IT'S AN AVERAGE OF 15
HOURS

PER -- PER
CASE.

THANK YOU.

AND IN THE STAFF REPORT IT
SAYS

THAT IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS,
THAT

IF WE DO WANT TO HAVE OUR YOUTH

NOT GO THROUGH THE CRIMINAL

JUSTICE SYSTEM, TO
BE

FINGERPRINTED, ET CETERA, ET

CETERA, WE WOULD NEED TO
RAISE
THE FUNDING.

AND I DID REACH OUT TO THE SAME
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

MARY, I THINK YOU WERE ON THE
E-MAIL.

SHE IS AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE A

PROPOSAL FOR HOW MUCH THAT WOULD
COST.

IS THAT CORRECT,
MARY?
THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

I JUST GOT THE E-MAIL RIGHT

BEFORE, SO I NEED TO GO AND
REVIEW

IT, BUT THAT WAS MY

UNDERSTANDING ON A QUICK
GLANLS
OF
IT.

OKAY,
THANKS.

COUNCIL
MEMBER CARTER.

I KNOW WE KEEP BRINGING UP

ANALEE BUT THERE ARE YOUNGER
SCHOOLS ALSO IN THE AREA.

DO WE KNOW HOW THEY
ARE

EDUCATING ABOUT RACISM AND
STUFF
LIKE THAT?

SO WE KNOW IT'S NOT
MIDDLE

SCHOOLERS -- OR I DID HEAR THAT

BROOKHAVEN MAY HAVE HAD AN

ISSUE

WITH RACISM AS WELL,

AND, YOU

KNOW, ARE WE ADDRESSING IT AT

EARLIER AGES AND TRYING TO HELP
THAT
ALONG?
IS THAT DIRECTED AT ME, SIR?

HAPPY TO --
DO
EVERYTHING.

WELL, I HAVEN'T HAD
ANY

CONVERSATIONS WITH BROOKHAVEN ON

THIS TOPIC AND I'M NOT AWARE OF

ANY ACTUAL INCIDENTS

OF, YOU

KNOW, RACISM OR SO FORTH AT
THE

SCHOOL OR PROVIDED TO THE
SCHOOL

OR ANY RELATIONSHIP TO SAFEWAY

EITHER WITH THAT PARTICULAR
SCHOOL.

THERE'S ALWAYS THE INFERENCE
THAT THEY'RE ANA LEE STUDENTS.

THAT'S JUST THE STANDARD

INFERENCE BECAUSE OF THE
PROXIMITY TO SAFEWAY.

YEAH.

SO THE PEOPLE THAT
HAVE

RECENTLY -- THE GRAFFITIGRAFFITI
KNOW

WE DID IT, LIKE THE MOST
RECENT
CASES?

YEAH, I DON'T RECALL
THE

DATES BUT IT

WAS I THINK BACK IN
APRIL AND SO FORTH.

YEAH, THEY WERE APPREHENDED
WITHIN 24 HOURS ALL FOUR OF THEM

AND CITED, TECHNICALLY AN
ARREST.

BECAUSE WE TOOK THE
MATTER

SERIOUSLY AND INVESTIGATED
IT

THOROUGHLY AND REFERRED THEM
TO
JUVENILE PROBATION.

AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE

HAVEN'T

HAD ANY INSTANCES OF THAT
REALLY
SINCE.

THAT SORT OF TOOK CARE OF THAT

ISSUE, SO

PERHAPS THOSE

PARTICULAR FOUR WERE THE REPEAT

OFFENDERS, IF WE LOOK AT
IT IN
THAT LIGHT.

SEEMS
RIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER
ZOLLMAN.

TO RESPOND TO COUNCIL MEMBER

CARTER'S QUESTION TO OUR POLICE

CHIEF, I WILL REFER BACK TO
AN

AGENDA ITEM THAT I BROUGHT
BACK
IN MARCH OF 2025.

THERE, IN FACT, WAS A RESPONSE

FROM THE CHAIR OF THEIR

BOARD

ALONG WITH THE PRINCIPAL, SARAH

GRAHAM, BECAUSE I HAD REACHED

OUT ABOUT THE BULLYING THAT
WAS

GOING ON AT BROOKHAVEN AND
THE
SUICIDE OF A 10-YEAR-OLD.

THAT LETTER IS PART OF
THE

PUBLIC COMMENT ASSOCIATED
WITH
THAT AGENDA ITEM.

SHE STATES THE FACT THAT THEY

ARE AGREEABLE TO HAVING A CITY

COUNCIL SLASH SCHOOL

DISTRICT
MEETING.

I BROUGHT IT UP.

I THINK SOME OF MY

COLLEAGUES

WERE LIKE WE SHOULD JUST

STAY IN

OUR LANE AND WE SHOULD JUST
LET

THE SCHOOLS DO WHAT THE

SCHOOLS
ARE GOING TO DO.

SO I JUST WANTED TO LET

YOU KNOW
THAT HAS BEEN APPROACHED.

WHY I THINK IT'S RELEVANT TO

THIS CONVERSATION IS
THAT

EVENTUALLY WHEN WE GET TO
PUBLIC

COMMENT I THINK THE PRINCIPAL
OF

ANA LEE SHOULD AND

HOPEFULLY

WOULD BE INTERESTED IN
DOING

SOME JOINT FUNDING FOR A

PROGRAM

BECAUSE ALL THESE SCHOOLS ARE
FEEDER SCHOOLS.

IF THE RACISM STARTS
IN THE

ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, IT'S GOING
TO FEED INTO THE HIGH SCHOOLS.

SO THAT IS JUST WHAT I WANTED
TO

BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, BUT
THANKS.

OKAY, WE CAN GO OUT TO PUBLIC
COMMENT, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO THIS IS FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT

FOR THE ITEM REGARDING

SAFEWAY

AND THE GRAFFITI AND
THE
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE MODEL.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT, AGAIN, IT IS
TWO
MINUTES.

I GO TO CHAM FIRST AND THEN
GO
OUT TO ZOOM.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN
CHAMBERS.

PLEASE.

COUNCIL MEMBERS

AND MEMBERS

OF THE PUBLIC, MY NAME

IS CYNTHIA
BRADLEY.

I LIVE ON JOHNSON STREET RIGHT
ACROSS FROM THE POLICE STATION.

I'M GOING TO READ YOU

A LETTER
THAT I'M GOING TO SUBMIT TO YOU.

DEAR COUNCIL MEMBERS, DURING
THE

PAST YEAR MEMBERS OF OUR

COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN HURT
BY

RACIST ACTIONS IN
THEIR
NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS RACISM IS NOT UNIQUE TO ONE
NEIGHBORHOOD OR ONE EVENT.

ACCORDING TO SOME PARENTS I
HAVE

SPOKEN WITH, THERE HAVE
BEEN

ONGOING RACIST AND
OTHER

BULLYING IN OUR SCHOOLS FOR A
NUMBER OF YEARS.

AS A COMMUNITY WE ARE
ALL

RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING A

WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT FOR
EVERYONE IN OUR TOWN.

SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE

STEPPED UP TO CREATE A
SAFE

PRESENCE BEHIND SAFEWAY
TO
PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORS.

SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE

APPROACHED THE WEST COUNTY
HIGH

SCHOOL BOARD AND ANA LEE
HIGH
SCHOOL.

WE HAVE COMING TOGETHER
TO

CREATE A NUMBER OF WAYS
TO

PREVENT HARMFUL BEHAVIOR AND
TO

MAKE IT CLEAR THAT OUR TOWN DOES

NOT TOLERATE RACISM OR ANY OTHER

FORM OF BOULE YG.BOULE YG.BULLYING.

WHAT WILL THE COUNCIL STEP UP
TO
DO?

BUSINESSES IN OUR TOWN MUST BE

RESPONSIBLE MUST MAINTAINING
THE
KIND OF TOWN WE EXPECT.

ANA LEE HIGH SCHOOL,

PARKSIDE

SCHOOL, BROOKHAVEN MIDDLE

SCHOOL, SEBASTOPOL CHARTER

SCHOOL, AND SUNRIDGE

CHARTER

SCHOOL WITH WITHIN

SEBASTOPOL
CITY LIMITS.

CYNTHIA, YOU HAVE 20
SECONDS.

THE COUNCIL SHOULD

REQUIRE

THAT THESE SCHOOLS MEET

REGULARLY WITH THE CITY

COUNCIL

TO DISCUSS THE SKIEL ENVIRONMENT

AND HOW THE SCHOOLS

PROMOTE

RESPONSIBLE INTERACTIONS WITH
THE
WIDER COMMUNITY.

THE COUNCIL'S RESOLUTION
6403-2022 PASSED IN FEBRUARY
2022 IS A POWERFUL

STATEMENT

ADDRESSING THE KIND

OF TOWN --

CYNTHIA THAT'S YOUR TWO
MINUTES.

CAN YOU SUPPORT POLICY FOR

THIS
RESOLUTION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM.

MARY, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
YES.

THANK YOU.

CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
YES.

GREAT.

GO AHEAD,
PLEASE.

MY NAME IS MARY WYMAN.

I'M A NURSE-PRACTITIONER AND
I'VE LIVED IN SEBASTOPOL FOR 42

YEARS, CURRENTLY RIGHT NEAR
ANA
LEE HIGH SCHOOL.

ON MAY 28th OF THIS YEAR AT 3:30

I WAS WAITING FOR AN

APPOINTMENT

AT PIT AND HEALEY RIGHT NEAR

SAFEWAY WHEN I COULD HEAR
THESE

NOISES THAT WERE

CLEARLY
HARASSMENT, MENACING.

THEY
GOT LOUDER.

I STARTED TO WALK TOWARDS THEM.

IT WAS THREE OR FOUR

TEENAGE

BOYS RIGHT IN THE AREA WE
ALL

KNOW JUMPING UP AND DOWN
MAKING

APE NOISES, AND THEY
WERE

DIRECTING THEM AT THE APARTMENT
ACROSS THE STREET.

THERE WAS ALSO GRAFFITI BEHIND
THEM.

IT WAS A PENIS AND

TESTICLES,

AND WHEN I SAID WHAT ARE YOU
GUYS DOING, THEY SAID NOTHING.

WHEN I PULLED OUT MY PHONE AND

SAID I CAN FILM YOU SINCE
YOU'RE

DOING NOTHING, THEN THEY

STARTED
TO RUN.

ONE OF THEM SAID YOU CAN'T
FILM

US BECAUSE WE'RE
MINORS.

WHEN I RETURNED TO THE

APARTMENT

AND FOUND OUT WHO ACTUALLY LIVES
THERE, I WAS SO SADDENED.

I CALLED BECAUSE IT'S A
LOVELY

FAMILY AND THEY'VE
BEEN
TARGETING REPEATEDLY.

I CALLED THE POLICE TO REPORT
IT

AND WAS TOLD A CAR WOULD COME
BY

AND THAT SURVEILLANCE WOULD

INCREASE, BUT APPARENTLY
THE

RESPONSE WAS SO MINIMAL AND, IN

FACT, I THINK SO

DISAPPOINTING

TO THE FAMILY THAT IT WASN'T

UNTIL THE SEBASTOPOL TIMES DID
THE ARTICLE.

THANK YOU, LAURA, FOR DOING
THAT.

THAT THEY REALLY FELT
SOME
SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

SO MY STATEMENT IS WE
REALLY

NEED TO DO SOMETHING REALLY

CONCERTED AND SERIOUS TO

ADDRESS

THIS SO THAT OUR FAMILIES
OF

COLOR FEEL SUPPORTED AND SAFE
IN
THEIR HOME.

IT WAS HAPPENING RIGHT

IN THEIR
FRONT YARD.

ALSO I THINK YOU ALL NEED TO BE

INFORMED FOR PRESS DEMOCRAT DID