DIFFERENT
WAY.
OTHERWISE, IF WE KICK THE
BALL
TOO HARD WE'RE NEVER GOING
TO
BUILD
ANOTHER LIBRARY.
LIKE THIS IS
THE MOMENT.
WHEN O'REILLY CHANGES, LIKE
IF
WE KICK THIS DOWN AND
O'REILLY
MOVES ON, THEN WE'RE FORCED INTO
A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE TO
BUILD
ON THAT ONE PARTICULAR PLACE
OF
LAND, AND THEN WE'RE
DEFINITELY
INTO A 30 TO $40
MILLION
PROJECT.
EVEN IF WE WON OUT, IT'S
GOING
TO BE $10 MILLION THEN IT WON'T.
MAYBE SEVEN.
BUT WITH A FEW MORE YEARS WITH
INFLATION AS IT IS, IT'S
DEFINITELY GOING TO BE
$10
MILLION JUST TO ADD ON A SMALL
LITTLE PORTION.
AND YOU'RE NOT STILL NOT
BEAUTIFYING THAT PLACE AND
STILL
NOT MAKING SEBASTOPOL A WANT TO
BE DESTINATION.
WHEREAS IF YOU DID COME TO
THE
O'REILLY BUILDING, AND
I, YOU
KNOW, RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE THAT
IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A
TRANSPORTATION CRISIS
BECAUSE I
THINK A LOT OF THE PEOPLE
THAT
ACTUALLY DO LIVE UP THERE,
AND
IT'S VERY BIKABLE ON THE WEST
COUNTY LINE, BUT IT DOES
TAKE
AWAY THE HEART, AND THAT'S NOT
WANTED.
YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS TO
TAKE
AWAY THE HEART OF THE CITY
AND
MOVE IT UP THERE.
SO I JUST -- I JUST WANT
TO, YOU
KNOW, PROPOSE THAT WE KNOCK
THIS
BACK TO, YOU KNOW, AN AD HOC
FOR
THE
MOMENT.
COUNCIL MEMBER
HINTON.
I'D BE WILLING TO GIVE
STAFF
DIRECTION TO CONSIDER AN AD HOC
IN DECEMBER, AND THEN THEY
WOULD
WORK TOWARDS INSTEAD OF
THIS
PLAN OF $18 MILLION, WHICH IS ON
SLIDE -- IT LOOKS LIKE PAGE 16.
THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE
ONE-BUILDING OPTION
WE HEARD
ABOUT TONIGHT OF $8 MILLION.
AND THEN THEY WOULD BRING IT
TO
THE BUDGET MIDYEAR SUBCOMMITTEE
FOR CONSIDERATION
AND
RECOMMENDATION.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M
WILLING TO
PROPOSE TONIGHT, AND I
DON'T
KNOW IF I CAN DO THAT IN FORM
OF
A
MOTION.
I HAVEN'T MADE ANY COMMENTS
YET SO --
NO,
I WANT YOU TO, AND THEN I
HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO, SO
GO
AHEAD.
WE
HAVE TIME.
I THINK
THIS IS REALLY
CHALLENGING BECAUSE
WE HAVE, YOU
KNOW, A BLUE RIBBON
COMMITTEE
HERE THAT HAS BEEN WANTING
TO
PUT TOGETHER THIS COMMONS FOR --
FOR OUR SENIOR CENTER AND
THE
LIBRARY AND THE
COMMUNITY
CENTER.
AND YOU'VE WORKED ON THIS
FOR A
FULL YEAR.
AND YOU'VE
LANDED ON -- THE LAST
TIME YOU WERE HERE WAS JULY
7th.
AND AT THAT MEETING YOU
HAD TWO
POSSIBLE LOCATIONS.
ONE WAS DOWNTOWN, AND THE
OTHER
WAS THE O'REILLY BUILDING.
AND THERE WASN'T A FINANCIAL
PROPOSAL.
SO WHAT WE WERE TOLD AT
THAT
TIME IS YOU WOULD COME BACK
IN
SEPTEMBER -- SO THE
ATTORNEY
SAID THE COMMITTEE WILL
COME
BACK IN SEPTEMBER TO MAKE
A
FORMAL RECOMMENDATION.
BUT INSTEAD WHAT HAPPENED IS
THE
COMMITTEE DECIDED ON JULY 14
th
TO CHOOSE ONE LOCATION AND THEN
START HOLDING TOWN HALLS TO
SOLICIT SUPPORT FOR THAT
ONE
LOCATION.
AND FOR ME THAT WAS VERY
UPSETTING BECAUSE IT CREATED
A
LOT OF UNNECESSARY DIVISION, I
THINK, IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I'M GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SET
THAT ASIDE.
I ALSO THINK THAT YOU
DIDN'T
REALLY LOOK AT THE IDEA OF
AN
ADDITION NEXT TO THE
LIBRARY,
AND THAT COULD BE A COUPLE
STORY
ADDITION THERE THAT COULD
SERVE
THE SENIOR CENTER.
IT COULD SERVE CITY HALL IN SOME
WAY, AND THAT WAS
NEVER
INVESTIGATED.
AND ALL WE WERE TOLD WAS,
WELL,
THAT'S TOO EXPENSIVE SO WE
CAN'T
DO THAT.
SO I LIKE TO KEEP THE
TWO
OPTIONS STILL OPEN AND NOT LAND
ON ANYTHING.
I ALSO FEEL REALLY
STRONGLY
ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN CORE.
AND TO ME THESE -- THE
BUILDINGS
ARE BEAUTIFUL, BUT THEY DO
NEED
A LOT OF WORK, AND THEY'RE
WAY
BIGGER THAN I THINK WHAT
WE
NEED.
AND I THINK IT WOULD
PROBABLY
END UP BIFURCATING OUR
TOWN,
CREATING A NORTH PART
OF TOWN
AND THE CENTER OF TOWN, AND THE
EAST PART OF TOWN.
AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF
KEEPING
THE HEART OF TOWN, AND
THE
LIBRARY IS CENTRAL TO THE HEART
OF TOWN AND THE SENIOR CENTER.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE
BURSTING
AT THE SEAMS, AND IT'S
WONDERFUL
BECAUSE YOU'RE SO SUCCESSFUL.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE
WEST
COUNTY RESIDENTS.
I'M GRATEFUL.
SEBASTOPOL'S AMAZING
AND
WONDERFUL BECAUSE OF THE WEST
COUNTY.
WE COULD NEVER HAVE AS
MANY
RESTAURANTS AS WE DO OR
AS GREAT
OF SERVICES, AS GREAT OF AN
ARTS
CENTER, A SENIOR CENTER,
COMMUNITY CENTER.
ALL THESE SERVICES ARE
GREAT
BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE
SURROUNDING -- 50,000
PEOPLE
SURROUNDING US THAT ARE USING
IT, SO I HAVE A LOT
OF
APPRECIATION
FOR THE WEST COUNTY
RESIDENTS FOR THAT REASON
BECAUSE THEY MAKE OUR TOWN
REALLY GREAT.
SO WE HAVE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOK AT AN
$850,000 DEFICIT FOR THIS
YEAR.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, OKAY, WE'LL
GIVE YOU 50,000 AND A BUNCH
OF
MORE STAFF TIME.
I JUST CAN'T -- I CAN'T DO THAT.
NOT
NOW.
I WOULD CONSIDER
JOINING COUNCIL
MEMBER HINTON WITH THE IDEA OF
TAKING A MIDYEAR BUDGET
REVIEW,
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE
DOWNTOWN PROPERTY BE BACK IN THE
CONVERSATION TO SEE IF
ANYTHING
COULD BE FEASIBLE.
IF YOU COULD DO -- YOU COULD DO
PARKING UNDERNEATH AND MAYBE
TWO
OR THREE STORIES UP IT COULD
BE
A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AS AN ANNEX
TO -- YOU KNOW, AN ADDITION
TO
THE MAIN LIBRARY THERE
THAT
COULD INCLUDE THE NEEDS OF
SENIORS.
AND I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD
WORK
FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT
IT
COULD HELP WITH CITY HALL.
BUT IT ALSO COULD OFFER
A
BEAUTIFUL OBSERVATION DECK FOR
THE LAGUNA BECAUSE IT WOULD BE
UP
PRETTY HIGH.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST IS
TO INCLUDE BOTH PROPERTIES IN A
MIDYEAR REVIEW.
AND I DON'T WANT TO
CONTINUE
WITH AN AD HOC AT THIS TIME AND
WOULD LIKE TO JUST HAVE
THAT
MIDYEAR REVIEW TO SEE IF IT'S
EVEN FINANCIALLY
POSSIBLE.
AND I JUST -- A COUPLE
OF
THINGS POINT OF ORDER AND
SIMPLY
BECAUSE OF WHAT I JUST HEARD,
I
WANT TO EXPRESS THE
FRUSTRATION
THAT I FELT WHEN I LISTENED TO
THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE
I'M
JUST GOING TO SAY IT.
IT FELT LIKE A SALES JOB, NOT
AN
INFORMAL TYPE OF THING.
I MEAN, I HAD SO MANY
PEOPLE
COMING OUT OF
THERE AND CHEWING
MY EAR OFF
SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU
GUYS MADE A DECISION WITHOUT
ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT IT
AT
COUNCIL BECAUSE THE
IMPRESSION
WAS A DECISION WAS MADE.
AND AS A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT
SITS HERE AND HAS TO GO
THROUGH
ALL OF THAT AND WAS NOT PART
OF
ALL THAT, IT'S DISAPPOINTING
TO
HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT A
DECISION
WASN'T MADE.
BUT THE IMPRESSION FOR MANY
PEOPLE IS THAT A DECISION WAS
MADE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD SEVERAL
PEOPLE TELLING ME IT WAS A SALES
JOB.
THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE AT
A --
WHAT'S IT CALLED -- A TIME
SHARE
THING.
THAT WAS THE ANALOGY THEY USED.
SO AS A POINT OF ORDER, FOR
ME
PERSONALLY I WAS LIKE,
OKAY,
TAKE NOTE.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
COMMITTEES AND COMMUNITY
OUTREACH, NOW
WE NEED TO DEFINE
SOME OF THAT BECAUSE IT
JUST
FELT LIKE IT KIND OF
WENT BEYOND
WHAT IN MY MIND I WOULD
ENVISION
FOR THAT.
SO I JUST HAVE TO SAY
I'M
SHARING WITH
YOU ALL.
I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE A
CRITICISM, BUT I'M JUST
SHARING
THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE
TO
HAVE.
AND IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE WHEN
YOU'RE HAVING TO
HAVE
CONVERSATIONS AND
TELLING
PEOPLE, NO, A DECISION
WASN'T
MADE.
AND THEY'RE LIKE IT
CERTAINLY
SOUNDS LIKE
IT AND WASN'T
ACTUALLY DISCUSSED AT
THE
COUNCIL MEETING.
SO PEOPLE ARE DISAPPOINTED IN
THAT, AND I'M JUST SHARING
THAT
WITH YOU ALL.
I PERSONALLY AM NOT
SUPPORTIVE
OF HAVING AN AD HOC RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT'S THE CART BEFORE
THE
HORSE.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WE CAN AFFORD
IT.
AND AGAIN WE'VE GOT THE DEFICIT.
I WANT TO SHARE ALL THE THINGS
THAT WERE
SHARED TO ME.
IT DIDN'T GOOD SITTING IN
THERE
AND AFTERWARD KIND OF
BEING
ATTACKED BIA FEW
PEOPLE LIKE WHY
WAS THIS DECISION MADE.
ANYWAY, THAT'S MY --
GO
AHEAD.
I'M GOING TO COME BACK
AND
TRY TO LOBBY BECAUSE I
HEAR
COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER
SAYING,
YES, BUDGET CAN REVIEW IT
AT
MIDYEAR.
BUT WITHOUT HAVING SOME OF THAT
INFORMATION TO BE ABLE
TO
PRESENT TO BUDGET COMMITTEE,
I
DO THINK WE WOULD NEED TO
PULL
TOGETHER THIS COMMONS GROUP
THAT
HAS WORKED REALLY HARD AND
AN
AD HOC AT LEAST IN DECEMBER, AND
THAT WOULD GIVE THE STAKEHOLDERS
TIME TO REACH OUT TO
OUR
SUPERVISOR, LINDA HAWKINS, TO
SEE IF WE HAVE ANY COUNTY
SUPPORT OR WE CAN DRUM THAT.
OR MAYBE TO OUR
COUNTY
COMMISSIONER FIGURE OUT IF
WE
CAN GET THE LIBRARY TO KIND OF
STATE WHERE THEY COULD BE AT
SO
THAT WE CAN GO BACK INTO
THAT
BUDGET REQUEST MIDYEAR WITH
A
LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION
BEHIND
IT TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT JUST
THROWING $50,000 OUT.
SO MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE
TONIGHT, BUT I'M NOT FOR AN
AD HOC TONIGHT AND EXTENDING THE
AD HOC'S SCOPE OF WORK.
BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO TRY
TO
LOBBY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT
ALL
THIS WORK THROWN OUT THE WINDOW.
AND IT WOULD SEEM LIKE A NEW
AD HOC CREATED IN DECEMBER
TO
GET READY FOR THE
BUDGET
PRESENTATION MIGHT MAKE
SENSE,
SO THEY'RE NOT COMING IN
COLD
BECAUSE THIS INFORMATION WILL
BE
THREE MONTHS OLD OR FOUR
MONTHS
OLD BY THE TIME
WE GET THERE.
SO I AGREE THAT I DON'T
WANT
TO THROW OUT THEIR WORK, JUST TO
BE
CLEAR.
GOT TO FIGURE OUT -- I
WOULD
LIKE TO PUT THE DOWNTOWN
SPACE
BACK IN THERE FOR A
REAL
EVALUATION.
AND SO IF THAT'S PART OF THE
SCOPE OF THE AD HOC THAT MEET
IN
DECEMBER, I'M OKAY WITH
THAT.
BUT CAN WE REALLY DIRECT AN
AD HOC NOW THAT IS FOR DECEMBER?
YOU CAN CREATE ONE NOW IF
YOU
WANTED OR YOU CAN WAIT
UNTIL
DECEMBER.
I'D LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL
DECEMBER.
BUT CAN WE JUST SEND THAT TO
STAFF, STAFF DIRECTION THAT
WE
WANT THAT TO COME BACK AS
AN
AGENDA ITEM IN DECEMBER FOR
AN
AD HOC TO
BE CREATED?
YES, WE COULD COME BACK.
I
MEAN, ON THE FIRST OR
SECOND
MEETING IN DECEMBER
THERE'S
GOING TO BE A TURNOVER AND
THE
COUNCIL --
I THINK IT'S THE FIRST
MEETING, ISN'T
IT?
THE FIRST MEETING IS --
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON
HOW
QUICKLY THE
COUNTY.
UNDERSTOOD.
BUT I THINK WE'VE NEVER
MISSED
THE FIRST MEETING.
SO IS THAT JUST STAFF
DIRECTION,
OR DO WE HAVE
TO MOVE IT?
OKAY.
AND I DON'T WANT TO -- I DON'T
KNOW IF THERE'S SUPPORT FOR
THAT, BUT --
SO WHAT'S YOUR
MOTION?
I'D SUPPORT THAT.
IT'S NOT A MOTION.
THEY SAID IT'S JUST STAFF
DIRECTION.
AND WHAT'S THE
DIRECTION?
THE DIRECTION WOULD BE
TO
COME BACK THE SECOND WEEK,WEEK,
MEETING IN DECEMBER WITH
AN
AGENDA ITEM TO CREATE AN AD
HOC
WITH A SCOPE OF WORK TO
BE
DETERMINED BUT WOULD BRING
BOTH
PROPERTIES THAT WE
WERE
DISCUSSING DOWNTOWN AND
O'REILLY
BACK IN TO GET SOME
INFORMATION
ENOUGH TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL FOR
THIS SAME FINANCIAL SCOPE
OF
WORK TO THE MIDYEAR BUDGET
REVIEW.
I SECOND
THAT.
OKAY, SO WE'LL DO IT AS
A
MOTION.
THANKS.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY
SOMETHING
TO MAKE SURE THAT
EVERYONE'S
TALKING ABOUT THE
SAME THING.
AN AD HOC IS COMPRISED SOLELY
OF
TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO NO --
NOT THE FULL --
NOT THE COMMITTEE AND
EVERYTHING, RIGHT.
IT'S STAFF AND
TWO COUNCIL
MEMBERS, CORRECT?
YEAH.
AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT
THE
SCOPE OF WORK -- BECAUSE I
AGREE
THE TOWN HALLS WERE NOT
TYPICAL
IN AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, SO
IT
MIGHT -- WE'LL DETERMINE
THE
SCOPE OF WORK AT THAT
TIME.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I
STILL
JUST STRUGGUAL LE WITH THE WHOLE
MONEY THING, SO I DON'T
WANT
WORK THROWN AT IT EITHER.
IT'S MUCH MORE FINANCIALLY IS
AN
ISSUE FOR ME RIGHT NOW.
SO ANYWAY.
SO YOU JUST NEED
DIRECTION?
WE HAVE A
MOTION.
CAN YOU READ THE MOTION BACK?
SO THE MOTION I HEARD
WAS
MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER
HINTON
AND SECONDED BY VICE
MAYOR
MAURER TO DIRECT STAFF FOR
THE
SECOND MEETING BACK IN
DECEMBER
AND AD HOC COMMITTEE
WITH
PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK
TO
INCLUDE BOTH LOCATIONS, AND
TO
BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR
CONSIDERATION AT THAT SAID
MEETING.
AND THEN DIDN'T YOU
HAVE IT
WOULD ALSO GO TO BUDGET
REVIEW -- IN PREPARATION TO
GO
TO BUDGET
REVIEW, RIGHT?
PART OF THE SCOPE OF
WORK
WOULD BE IN PREPARATION FOR
THE
MIDYEAR
BUDGET.
MIDYEAR BUDGET
REVIEW.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A
STATEMENT BEFORE WE VOTE, IT'S
JUST
I CAN'T SUPPORT HAVING
SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF OUR
DOWNTOWN.
SO I WILL BE VOTING NO, BUT
I
WANT PEOPLE TO
UNDERSTAND WHY.
I'M JUST NOT SUPPORTIVE
OF
MOVING IT OUT OF DOWNTOWN
AND
HAVING THAT
AS PART OF IT.
AND WE HAVE TO DO THIS
PAST
BECAUSE AS A POINT OF ORDER AT
10:30 WE ALL HAVE TO
AGREE,
OTHERWISE THE
MEETING ENDS.
MAYOR.
YOU'RE GOING TO READ IT
AGAIN.
INCLUDE
THE DOWNTOWN.
I'M SORRY?
WE INCLUDED
THE DOWNTOWN.
RIGHT.
SO SO MOVED BY COUNCIL
MEMBER
HINTON AND SECONDED BY
VICE
MAYOR MAURER TO DIRECT
STAFF TO
BRING IT BACK AT THE SECOND
IN
DECEMBER CREATION OF
AN AD HOC
COMMITTEE WITH THE
PROPOSED
SCOPE OF WORK TO INCLUDE
STAFF
TIME IN DEFINITIONS AND THEN
FOR
CONSIDERATION OF BOTH
LOCATIONS
IN PREPARATION FOR THE
MIDYEAR
BUDGET REVIEW.
IF IT
WASN'T SECONDED --
IT WAS, YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER
CARTER?
YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER HINTON.
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER
ZOLLMAN.
YES.
VICE
MAYOR MAURER.
YES.
MAYOR
McLEWIS.
AT THIS TIME,
NO.
MOTION PASSES 4-1
WITH
COUNCIL MEMBERS CARTER, HINTON,
ZOLLMAN, AND VICE --
I CAN SEE BY
BODY LANGUAGE WE'RE NOT
STAYING
PAST 10:30.
WE HAVE TO HAVE
UNANIMOUS
AGREEMENT TO STAY PAST 10:30,
SO
THE MEETING WILL
BE ADJOURNING.
THANK YOU. [Event Concluded]