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MINUTES.

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YEAH, I KNOW.

THANK
YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENTS.

NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS.

HI.

MY NAME IS PAUL FRITZ.

FIRST, I LIKE TO SAY I
DO
APPRECIATE THE LOOK INTO THIS.

I THINK THE COMMONS IS A
GREAT
IDEA.

HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK
THE

O'REILLY BUILDING IS
THE
SOLUTION.

THE CIVIC FUNCTIONS
BELONG
DOWNTOWN.

THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE

VITALITY
OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY ARE THE HEART OF OUR

COMMUNITY BOTH FIGURATIVELY
OF

THE HEART BUT ALSO THEY SHOULD
BE THE HEART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

DOWNTOWN WILL MISS
THESE
ORGANIZATIONS IF THEY LEAVE.

WE'RE A COMMUNITY
THAT

UNDERSTANDS THE

CLIMATE CRISIS
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WE ARE FACING.

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WE NEED TO GET REAL ABOUT IT.

THIS LOCATION IS A

DRIVE-THRU

LOCATION, AS EVIDENCE BY
THE
ENORMOUS PARKING LOT.

IT'S

PROBABLY THE BIGGEST
PARKING LOT IN THE CITY.

I KNOW PEOPLE ARE EXCITED
ABOUT

THAT BUT THIS IS A DRIVE-TO
LOCATION.

THE LOCATIONS WHERE
THESE

COMMUNITY FACILITIES ARE NOW ARE
WALK-TO LOCATIONS.

I GET SOME PEOPLE DRIVE, A
LOT

OF PEOPLE DRIVE, BUT YOU'RE
NOW

SAYING ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CAN

WALK TO THOSE PLACES ARE
NOW
GOING TO BE DRIVING.

WE'RE ADDING TO THE DRIVING
AND

THE CONGESTION AND THE

POLLUTION
IN TOWN.

WE NEED TO GET OUT OF OUR
CARS,

AND THIS LOCATION IN NO WAY
SUPPORTS THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THE SPACE NEEDS
OF

THESE COMMUNITY

ORGANIZATIONS,

BUT THIS IS SIMPLY NOT THE
RIGHT

SOLUTION THE LONG-TERM HEALTH
OF
OUR COMMUNITY.

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THERE'S A CONCEPT CALLED
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THE
15-
MINUTE CITY.

WE HAVE A 15-MINUTE CITY

BECAUSE

THE THINGS ARE LOCATED
AT THE
CENTER OF OUR CITY.

MOST PEOPLE CAN WALK AND BIKE
TO
THE COMMUNITY CITIES IN 15
MINUTES.

THIS NEW LOCATION THAT'S NOT
GOING TO BE THE CASE.

THE MORE PEOPLE THAT LIVE
BEHIND

THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF LUCKY, AND
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO LEAVE NOW.

BUT A GREAT PORTION OF
PEOPLE

WALKING ARE NOT GOING TO BE
ABLE
TO.

AND THAT'S JUST GOING
TO ADD

MORE CARS TO OUR CITY

STREETS,

WHICH I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT
OF

COMPLAINTS ABOUT CONGESTION

ALREADY, AND THIS IS

NOT GOING
TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

THANK
YOU.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

NEXT I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM.

MICHAEL, CAN YOU UNMUTE

YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
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I CAN.

I'M TRYING TO FIND THE TIMER.

HANG ON ONE SECOND.

WHERE IS THE TIMER?
THERE IT IS.

OKAY, I GOT THE TIMER.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL, AND I'M
A
SOLE PROPRIETOR.

I'VE OWNED A BUSINESS ON MAIN
STREET FOR ABOUT 33 YEARS NOW.

IF THE CURRENT CITY HALL

LIBRARY

AND CITY PROPERTY IS BOUGHT BY A

HOUSING DEVELOPER, THAT'S
GOING

TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL LOSS OF

PARKING FOR RETAIL

BUSINESSES,

WHICH MEANS A LOSS OF SALES
TAX
REVENUE.

AND THERE IS NO
JOB

INFRASTRUCTURE TO EMPLOY THOSE
NEW RESIDENTS.

SO THAT WILL BE MORE

COMMUTE

TRAFFIC AND ADDITIONAL CLIMATE
CHANGE IMPACT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE -- I HEARD

ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS
SAY

THAT THERE WAS BUSINESS

OUTREACH

OR THAT THEY WERE REPRESENTING
THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

AND I JUST DON'T SEE THAT.

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IT KIND OF -- THIS REMINDS ME

EERILY OF THE NEXT TO

NONEXISTENT BUSINESS

OUTREACH

FOR THE MIXED USE

HOUSING

PROJECT ON THE BURNETT
STREET

MUNICIPAL PARKING LOT THAT
CAME

TO COUNCIL WHEN I WAS
ON THE
COUNCIL.

SO I THINK, HONESTLY, YOU
SHOULD

NOT WASTE ANYMORE TIME OF
STAFF

AND/OR THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY
AND
DENY THIS REQUEST.

THANK YOU.YOU, MICHAEL, FOR YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT.

NEXT I'LL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS.

HI, MY NAME IS JEN, AND
I'M

ONE OF THE OWNERSOWNERS A

BUSINESS
IN DOWNTOWN.

AND WHAT MAKES A DOWNTOWN FEEL

ALIVE IS
FOOT TRAFFIC.

THE STEADY FLOW OF PEOPLE
WITH A
REASON TO BE THERE.

THE SAME RESIDENTS WHO COME TO

RENEW A LIBRARY BOOK, VISIT
THE

SENIOR CENTER OR TAKE CARE
OF

SOMETHING AT CITY HALL ARE
THE

ONES THAT FILL
OUR SIDEWALKS.

THEY WALK INTO OUR SHOPS
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AND
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GIVE THE CITY A SENSE
OF
VIBRANCY.

TAKE THOSE EVERYDAY REASONS TO

BE HERE AWAY, AND YOU PULL
THE

ENERGY AND THE PEOPLE OUT OF
THE
HEART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

YOU ALSO MAKE THESE

SERVICES
HARDER
TO REACH.

THE O'REILLY SITE IS A PLACE
FOR

MOST OF US TO GET TO ONLY
BY
CAR.

FOR SENIORS -- FOR STUDENTS, FOR

ANYONE WITHOUT

DEPENDABLE

TRANSPORTATION, MOVING

ESSENTIAL

SERVICES TO THE EDGE OF
TOWN

MEANS LONGER TRIPS AND
REAL
BARRIERS.

THAT CUTS AGAINST THE

WALKABLE
DOWNTOWN WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT.

IT ALSO CUTS AGAINST OUR
OWN
GENERAL PLAN.

GENERAL PLAN POLICY LU72
CALLS

FOR MAINTAINING DOWNTOWN AS
THE

FOCAL POINT FOR WEST COUNTY

COMMERCIAL, CIVIC, AND CULTURAL
USES.

AND ALSO COMMITS US TO A NETWORK

TO KEY DESTINATIONS WITHOUT
A
CAR.

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MOVING OUR CIVIC SERVICES TO A

CAR-DEPENDENT SITE DOES
THE

OPPOSITE OF WHAT OUR PLAN
ASKS
US TO DO.

CREATING

THE COMMONS IS A GREAT

IDEA, BUT I'M OPPOSED TO
MOVING

CITY HALL, THE LIBRARY,
AND
OTHER

CORE SERVICES OUT OF

DOWNTOWN TO THE

O'REILLY

BUILDING AND

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO

TRY TO FIND
LTERNATIVES.

THANK YOU, JEN, FOR
YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT.

NEXT I'LL GO OUT TO
ZOOM.

DIANE, CAN YOU UNMUTE

YOURSELF,
PLEASE?

DIANE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF,
PLEASE?

I WILL COME BACK INTO

CHAMBERS
AND GO BACK OUT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN

CHAMBERS

THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
PUBLIC

COMMENT ON THIS
ITEM?

HI, MY NAME IS LINDA

WILLIAMS, AND I'M A MEMBER
OF

THE SEBASTOPOL SENIOR

CENTER,

WHICH HAS A THRIVING
SENIOR
PROGRAM.

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FOR THE PAST YEAR I'VE BEEN

PARTICIPATING IN TICHI AT
THE

SENIOR CENTER, A VERY

POPULAR
PROGRAM.

THEY DO NOT HAVE
ENOUGH

CLASSROOMS FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE
TOGETHER.

THERE ARE SO MANY STUDENTS
WE

HAVE TO MEET IN THIS VERY ROOM

FOR EVERYONE TO FIT,

AND THIS
ROOM IS CROWDED.

BUT THE YOUTH ANNEX IS NOT
THE
SENIOR CENTER.

THERE'S NO STAFF HERE TO

MONITOR
OR ASSIST IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.

THERE'S NO
SECURITY HERE.

THE SENIOR CENTER'S SUCCESS
HAS

CAUSED IT TO OUTGROW ITS

FACILITIES, AND I WOULD

ENCOURAGE THE TOWN COUNCIL
TO

FORMALLY EXPLORE THE

COMMONS

PROJECT TO ADDRESS THE GROWTH
OF

THE SENIOR CENTER AS WELL AS
A

LIBRARY SOLUTION, PARKING,
AND
THE CITY HALL.

ALL OF THESE COMMUNITY

PROGRAMS

DESERVE ADDITIONAL SPACE
AND
BETTER FACILITIES.

AND ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT
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THE
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COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE

TONIGHT

WOULD BE ANSWERED DURING THE

PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD
IN

YOUR EXPLORATION OF
THE
POTENTIAL SOLUTION.

THIS COMMUNITY DESERVES THIS
EXPLORATION.

THANK
YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

NEXT I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM.

DIANE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
YES.

I FIGURED IT OUT HOW TO DO
IT,
THANK
YOU.

CAN YOU SEE THE
TIMER?

I CAN'T, BUT I'M GOING TO
BE
VERY
BRIEF.

GO
AHEAD, PLEASE.

I'VE LIVED IN SEBASTOPOL,
HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 26 YEARS

NOW, AND I VOLUNTEER
AT THE

SENIOR CENTER, AND I WAS
ALSO

USING THE LIBRARY BEFORE
THEY
CLOSED DOWN.

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I CAN WALK DOWNTOWN.

I CAN ALSO WALK TO THE O'REILLY

BUILDING, AND I THINK RIGHT
NOW

THERE IS NO PLACE DOWNTOWN --
NO

POTENTIAL FOR THE SENIOR
CENTER

OR THE LIBRARY TO EXPAND IN
THE

REASONABLE FUTURE, FORESEEABLE

FUTURE, AND SO WE HAVE TO LOOK

AT ALL DIFFERENT

POSSIBILITIES,

AND I REALLY THINK THE

COMMITTEE

HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF
TRYING

TO FIND A SPACE FOR ALL THESE

ENTITIES
TO GROW.

AND I THINK GROWING TOGETHER AT

O'REILLY WOULD BE A GOOD

OPTION,

AND WE SHOULD, OF COURSE, PURSUE
THAT OPTION.

THANK
YOU.

THANK YOU, DIANE, FOR
YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT.

NEXT I WILL COME BACK
INTO
CHAMBERS.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN CHAMBERS

THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC
COMMENT.

I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK.

MY NAME IS CAROLINE.

MY HUSBAND KENT WORKED ON
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THE
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COMMITTEE FOR THE COMMONS,
AND I

HAD A CHANCE TO OBSERVE SOME
OF

THE METHODS AND HOW MUCH
TIME

AND EFFORT THEY -- THE
ENTIRE

COMMITTEE PUT IN TO PUT THIS
TOGETHER.

SO I DO WISH PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO

BE -- WHAT DO YOU CALL --

ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACKS WOULD ASK

QUESTIONS WITH AN
OPEN MIND.

IT'S REALLY FRUSTRATING TO
SEE

THAT PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE
A

DECISION IN THEIR HEAD, AND
THEY
JUST WANT TO SAY NO TO IT.

AND THAT IS VERY FRUSTRATING
TO
WATCH.

SO JUST TO ANSWER A COUPLE
OF

THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME
UP,
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT 1% OF THE

PEOPLE WHO GO TO THETHE
LIBRARY WALK.
1%.

SO THERE ARE NUMBERS IN

CASE YOU

WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT CAME
FROM.

I THINK SOMEBODY CAN GIVE
YOU
THE SOURCE FOR THAT.

AND ALSO THE NUMBER 24 SHUTTLE

BUS, IT ALREADY STOPS AT
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THE
Agenda Item Number 2
O'REILLY MEDIAN.

SO JUST GET ON THE BUS AND
GO

ANOTHER MILE OR
TWO.

THE TOWN IS CHANGING.

THE AREA IS CHANGING.

LAWRENCE TALKED ABOUT
PEOPLE
WANTING A FASTER HORSE.

THE BEST TIME -- YOU KNOW THAT

SAYING, THE BEST TIME TO PLAN A
TREE IS 20 YEARS AGO, AND
THE
NEXT BEST TIME IS NOW.

SO IT'S TIME TO GROW.

IT'S TIME TO TAKE A
LITTLE RISK.

I KNOW IT MEANS MONEY,
AND I

KNOW PEOPLE ARE AFRAID
OF

SPENDING MORE MONEY BECAUSE
OF

HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN,

BUT ARE

YOU GOING TO LET THE WHOLE
CITY

BE HELD DOWN FOR THAT,
OR ARE

YOU GOING TO KEEP
GROWING?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

NEXT I WILL GO OUT TO CHAMBERS.

CRAIG, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF,
PLEASE?

CAN YOU HEAR
ME?
I CAN HEAR YOU.

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CAN YOU SEE THE
Agenda Item Number 2
TIMER?

I CANNOT, BUT I SHOULD BE
LESS THAN THE TIME.

THANK YOU.

SO FIRST OFF THANK YOU,

EVERYBODY, FOR THE
DUE
DILIGENCE.

WE'RE SPENDING MONEY NOW.

WE'RE SPENDING CITY MONEY.

WE HAD THE COMMITTEE.

WE SPENT MONEY AND INVESTED
OUR
TIME AND EFFORT IN THAT.

I THINK IT'S WORTH

CONTINUING
THE
DUE DILIGENCE.

I REALLY
DO.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE LAND USE

ISSUES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LAND
USE CONSIDERATIONS.

THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, KIND
OF

THE USE OF WHAT'S GOING
TO

HAPPEN LIKE WHO'S GOING TO
BE
THERE.

AND THEN THERE'S THE

ACTUAL DUE
DILIGENCE.

SO WE'RE ALREADY HAVING
THIS
MEETING ON THE EDGE OF TOWN.

CITY HALL EFFECTIVELY IS ON
THE

EDGE OF TOWN, SO IT WOULD
BE

NICE TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS
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WORKS
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OUT.

AND I THINK IT'S WORTH A
LITTLE

BIT MORE INVESTMENT AFTER ALL
OF
THE EFFORT WE PUT IN IT TO SEE.

BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T PENCIL

OUT, IF WE DO THAT WORK AND
IT

DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, WELL,
THEN
THAT'S IT.

IT'S DONE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY
ABOUT
THIS AND WE CAN MOVE ON.

BUT IF IT DOES LOOK LIKE
IT

PENCILS OUT, AND I SUSPECT IF WE

DO DUE THE DILIGENCE WE CAN
FIND

OUT WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY RENT
IT

OUT FOR, WHAT TYPE
OF

IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE MADE,
WE

PROBABLY COULD NEGOTIATE
BETTER

TACTICS, WHAT THE ACTUAL
BOTTOM
LINE VALUE OF THE FACILITY IT.

IT SHOULD PUT US IN A
MUCH

BETTER POSITION TO GO TO
THE

SELLER IF WE SEE WE WANT TO
GO
FORWARD.

IF THAT PENCILS OUT,

PERHAPS

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LAND
USE

CONSIDERATIONS A LITTLE
BIT
MORE.

WE KNOW THAT THE
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COMMUNITY
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CENTER IS GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE.

IT JUST WILL.

IT WILL FLOOD AGAIN.

WE ALSO KNOW THERE'S A LOT
OF

TRAFFIC IN TOWN, AND WE KNOW

THAT THE LIBRARY AND
SENIOR

CENTER ARE
REGIONAL USES.

AND ON THE EDGE OF

TOWN THERE

ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE
OF

TOWN THAT COME RIGHT THERE,
SO

IT'S AN INTERESTING

CONSIDERATION, BUT I
THINK

BEFORE WE WORRY TOO MUCH
ABOUT

ALL OF THE LAND USES AND

CONSIDERATIONS AND WHO'S
GOING

TO BE WHERE, WE REALLY JUST
LOOK
AT WHAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE,
FIGURE

THAT OUT, GET OURSELVES IN
A
BETTER NEGOTIATING POSITION.

AND I DO AGREE THIS A

PIVOTAL

MOMENT AND AN OPPORTUNITY,
AND

I'D HATE TO SEE US THROW IT OUT

AT THE VERY END AFTER SUCH
HARD
WORK.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CRAIG, FOR
YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT.

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NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO
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CHAMBERS, IF THERE'S ANYONE
IN

CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE
A PUBLIC COMMENT.

SEEING NONE, I WILL GO BACK
OUT
TO ZOOM.

DENA, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
I
CAN.

CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?

I CAN'T, BUT I WON'T BE
LONG.

GO AHEAD,
PLEASE.

I WANT TO EXPRESS
MY
APPRECIATION FOR THE COMMITTEE.

SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN DOING
THIS

FOR OVER
FIVE YEARS.

I KNOW STEVEN HAS REALLY
BEEN

WORKING LIKE A SLAFBL ON
THIS
ONE.

AND WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS
AT

THIS POINT ALL THIS

WORK HAS

GONE FORWARD, AND THEY'VE
LOOKED

AT ALL KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES

DOWNTOWN, FOUND THERE
REALLY

WEREN'T GREAT OPPORTUNITIES

DOWNTOWN, HAVE FOUND

SOMETHING

THAT MIGHT BE WORKABLE, AND
I
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AGREE WITH THE SPEAKERS
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THAT

HAVE SAID LET'S MOVE FORWARD
AND

CHECK OUT THE LAST PIECES
OF
THIS

TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THIS
WORK IN OUR OWN LIFETIME.

SO I REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT THE

COMMITTEE, AND I HOPE IT WILL
GO
FORWARD.

THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.

THANK YOU HAVE YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO

CHAMBERS, IF THERE'S ANYONE
IN

CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE

TO MAKE
A PUBLIC COMMENT.

SEEING NONE, I WILL GO BACK
OUT
TO ZOOM.

IF THERE'S ANYONE ON ZOOM
THAT

WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
PUBLIC

COMMENT TO PLEASE

RAISE YOUR
HAND VIRTUALLY.

SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT
IS

CLOSED ON THIS
ITEM.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

WE'RE BACK HERE.

COUNCIL
MEMBER ZOLLMAN FIRST.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

AND WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE
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PRESENTATION, WE

DEFINITELY

WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ALL OF
THE

PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPENT SO MUCH

TIME, BLOOD, SWEAT, AND
ENERGY

WHICH WERE YOUR PRESENTERS
HERE
TONIGHT.

BUT I JUST DEFINITELY WANTED
TO
THANK THOSE MEMBERS.

THEY ARE
YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT.

IT WAS A LOT OF WORK.

SO I WANT TO THANK THEM, ALL
THE

MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, AND

ALSO STAFF FOR THEIR PATIENCE
AS

WE WORK THROUGH
ALL THIS.

SO JUST WANT TO SAY THAT.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
DISCUSSIONS.

GO
AHEAD.

SO WE HEARD FROM

A LOT OF
MEMBERS FROM THE SENIOR CENTER.

I DON'T THINK WE HEARD
FROM

ANYBODY AT THE LIBRARY,
FROM
CRAIG
LITMAN.

HE'S REPRESENTING SOME OF
THE

SOCIAL SERVICE GROUPS, AND WE

DIDN'T HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY
CENTER.

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AND I'M WONDERING IF THE

COMMUNITY CENTER SPOKESPERSON

WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
SOME
COMMENTS.

I KNOW YOU DID SEND A

LETTER,

BUT I'M JUST WONDERING
IF YOU

WANTED TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS,
IF

THAT WAS ALL RIGHT WITH
YOU.

SURE.

HELLO.

I AM FELINA CHONKA WITH
THE

SEBASTOPOL COMMUNITY CENTER,
AND

WE SUPPORT

FURTHER

INVESTIGATION, AS WE KNOW THAT

WE WILL NOT SURVIVE MUCH
LONGER
IN OUR CURRENT LOCATION.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO
SAY.

THANK
YOU.

ARE THERE
QUESTIONS?
DID ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION?
OKAY.

OTHER
THOUGHTS?

YEAH, IT WAS A QUESTION
THAT
SOMEBODY ASKED.

THEY SAID TO THE STAFF.

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SO IF WE COMMIT TO THE 40 OR
$50,000 IN STAFF

TIME, WHAT

AREN'T -- WHAT AREN'T THE
STAFF
GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO?

SO WHAT ARE WE TRADING FOR
THAT?
SO THE 40 TO $50,000 IS FOR
A

CONSULTANT TO COME IN AND
HELP
WITH THE DUE DILIGENCE.

SO WE WOULD BE DOING A SCOPE OF

WORK, AND WE WILL BE

SENDING

THAT OUT DEPENDING ON WHICH
WAY

GAEGS IF IT GETS APPROVED,
WE'LL

SEND A SCOPE OF WORK OUT TO
GET

PROPOSALS BACK TO SEE IF THAT

ESTIMATE IS A GOOD
ESTIMATE.

AND WON'T THAT HAVE

TO COME

BEFORE THE BUDGET

COMMITTEE
BEFORE IT'S APPROVED?

I MEAN, EVEN IF WE APPROVED
IT

TONIGHT WOULDN'T THAT HAVE
TO

COME BEFORE

THE BUDGET COMMITTEE

TO HAVE --

THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE
A

DECISION TONIGHT TO

BYPASS THAT

IF THEY WANTED TO, IF

THEY'RE

APPROVING AUTHORIZATION TO
GO

OUT FOR A SCOPE OF WORK FOR
THAT
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AMOUNT.

THAT WAS PART OF THE AGENDA
REPORT.

AND WHO WOULD THE CONSULTANT
BE?
WE DON'T KNOW.

WE WOULD HAVE TO SEND OUT --

SEND IT OUT LIKE WE DO WITH
ANY
OTHER CONSULTANTS.

WE DO AN INFORMAL SCOPE OF WORK.

WE SEND IT OUT TO CONSULTANTS

THAT WE THINK MAY BE WOULD
WANT

TO APPLY FOR THE WORK,
WOULD

WANT TO APPLY FOR
THE CONTRACT.

WE REVIEW THOSE

CONTRACTS AND

THEN WE BRING IT BACK TO
THE
CITY
COUNCIL.

WHAT KIND OF CONSULTANT WOULD
YOU BE SENDING OUT AN RFP FOR?

BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH

COMPLEXITY, YOU KNOW, THE

BUILDING, THE FINANCE,
ET
CETERA.

SO WHAT KIND OF

CONSULTANT WOULD

YOU BE LOOKING
FOR?

OUR UNDERSTANDING IS

THAT THE

SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE
DUE
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DILIGENCE IS A
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FINANCIAL
CONSULTANT.

THERE'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE
IN

THERE AS FAR AS THE PRELIMINARY
LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING.

CITY STAFF WOULD BE LOOKING AT

SOME OF THE EXTERIOR LIKE
THE

ROOFING AND THINGS LIKE
THAT

BASED ON CITY STAFF

EXPERTISE,

BUT THE FINANCIALS WAS WHAT --

AND IT'S
IN THE REPORT.

THE FINANCIAL CONSULTANT
WOULD

BE THE ONE THAT WOULD REVIEW THE
NUMBERS.

I HAVE A QUESTION

TO FOLLOW

UP WITH THAT HAVING BEEN ON
THE
FIRING COMMITTEE.

WHEN WE INITIALLY LOOKED AT
THE

BUILDING THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK

ABOUT, OH, IT'S ONLY

GOING TO
COST THIS.

AND WHEN WE ACTUALLY HIRED
THE

EXPERT TO COME IN, WE

LEARNED
THE COST WAS EXPONENTIAL.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO SETTLE

FOR SOMEONE -- A

FINANCIAL
PERSON LOOKING AT THE BUILDINGS?

IS THAT WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING?
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NO, I'M
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SAYING THE SCOPE --
THE

DUE DILIGENCE -- THERE'S

ULTIMATE ASPECTS BUT THE
SCOPE

OF WORK THAT IS KEY RIGHT NOW
IS
THE FINANCIAL PART OF IT.

SO THE SCOPE OF WORK WOULD
LOOK

AT THE NUMBERS, THE ESTIMATES
PROVIDED.

THEY WOULD DO THEIR DUE

DILIGENCE AND COME BACK IF
THE

FINANCIALS WORK OR DON'T
WORK.

ESTIMATES BUT

NOT APPRAISALS
OF THE BUILDING.

NO.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED
TO
DO
ANY APPRAISALS.

NO, NO, I'M JUST
SAYING

PUBLICLY THAT'S NOT --
THAT'S
NOT GOING TO BE IN THERE.

I JUST KNOW BASED ON
OUR

EXPERIENCE WITH THE
FIREHOUSE.

THE COMMITTEE CAN CORRECT
ME

IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT'S TO
REVIEW
THE

NUMBERS PRESENTED, IT'S TO
REVIEW THE OPTIONS.

IT'S TO HAVE INSTAFF TIME,
CITY

ATTORNEY TIME TO REVIEW
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LEGAL ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP.

Agenda Item Number 2

YOU KNOW, THE LEASE

STRUCTURES,

REVENUE STRUCTURES, WHAT THE
CITIES CAN AND CANNOT DO.

AND THEN THE FINANCIAL

CONSULTANT, AGAIN, WILL BE
REVIEWING IS IT A $1.75?

IS IT MORE OR LESS FOR A SQUARE
FOOT?

IT'S THE FINANCING OPTION,
SO IT

IS DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT
WAY.

GO
AHEAD.

WELL, I'M LOOKING AT
THE

STAFF REPORT AND IT SAYS THE
DUE

DILIGENCE IS TO AUTHORIZE
40 HOURS OF STAFF TIME,
TO
AUTHORIZE 10 HOURS OF
THE

ATTORNEY TIME, AND
THEN

AUTHORIZE STAFF TO SOLICIT
PROPOSALS.

SO MY QUESTION WAS WHAT
ARE
THOSE 40 -- WHAT ARE WE LOSING
HERE?
IF 40 HOURS OF STAFF TIME
IS

GOING TO THIS, WHAT IS IT
NOT
GOING
TO?

SO YOU COULD HAVE -- SO
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THE PUBLIC

WORKS DIRECTOR, SHE

WOULD BE WORKING WITH
HER

CONSTRUCTION EMPLOYEE WHO
COULD

GO UP AND

EVALUATE THE
BUILDINGS.

SO YOU COULD -- AND I
DON'T

HAVE -- I'M GOING TO

HAVE TO

DIRECT TO YOU I DON'T KNOW WHAT

HIS WORKLOAD IS RIGHT NOW, SO
IF
YOU

WANT TO DETERMINE WHAT -- I

THINK IT'S KEVIN AS TO WHAT HE

MAY NOT BE
DOING.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE

THOUGHT

THROUGH AN ESTIMATE OF

EXACTLY
HIS TIME IN THAT 40 HOURS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NUMBER
OF

CIP PROJECTS HE HELPS WITH
AND
ENCROACHMENT INSPECTIONS.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD
BE --
IT WOULD DELAY ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST BALANCING
WORK.

OKAY, THANK
YOU.

OTHER COMMENTS?

SORRY, GOT TO PUT MY GLASSES
BACK ON.

SORRY.

I DIDN'T
KNOW.

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WE'RE IN COMMENTS AT THIS
Agenda Item Number 2
POINT.

SO QUESTION.

WHAT WOULD BE A SMALLER

COMMITMENT RATHER THAN

GIVING,
YOU KNOW, 50 HOURS OF STAFF
TIME
AND 40 TO 50 HOURS FOR
A
CONSULTANT?

WHAT WOULD BE A SMALLER
STEP
THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN TAKE?

SO I DON'T KNOW THERE IS
A
SMALLER STEP.

I THINK THE STAFF TIMETIME
DO

NEED THAT AMOUNT OF STAFF
TIME
TO REALLY EVALUATE THIS.

WE DEFINITELY WOULD NEED
A
FINANCIAL CONSULTANT.

WE DO NOT HAVE THAT

EXPERTISE ON

STAFF TO REVIEW WHAT THOSE

FINANCES, WHAT THE LEASE

OPTIONS
WOULD BE.

WE HAVE THE LEGAL ON STAFF,
BUT

I THINK IT IS GOING TO TAKE

HOURS OF STAFF TIME TO REVIEW
THIS, SO I'M NOT SURE.

A SMALLER ASK.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING JUST AT THE

FINANCIALS AND NOTHING ELSE,

YEAH, I'M NOT -- BUT
THAT'S
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40 STILL
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-- I DO STILL THINK

THAT -- I'LL GO BACK TO
THE
PREVIOUS.

THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IT WAS A
$50,000 CONTRACT JUST TO
REVIEW
THE FINANCIALS.

SO, AGAIN, WITHOUT

KNOWING WHAT

THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO
BE, I

CAN'T SIT HERE AND TELL YOU
THAT
IT IS GOING TO BE $50,000.

I CAN TELL YOU WE WILL GO
OUT

AND DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE,
DO

THAT SCOPE OF WORK,

AND BRING
THAT BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

SO MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE

PROPOSAL THAT I SAW THE OTHER

NIGHT -- WE DIDN'T SEE
A

FINANCIAL PROPOSAL HERE, BUT
THE

ONE I SAW THE OTHER NIGHT AT
THE

O'REILLY BUILDING IT WAS
THAT

THE CITY BECOMES A LANDLORD
AND

IS RENTING OUT AT MARKET RATE TO
TENANTS.

AND BUT THAT -- IF I

UNDERSTAND

THE ATTORNEY CORRECTLY, WE'D

HAVE TO PAY OUTRIGHT FOR
THAT

BUILDING AND OWN IT

BEFORE WE

COULD DO THAT, SO TO ME
THE
FINANCIALS DON'T MAKE SENSE.

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SO IF WE JUST SAID,

OKAY, LET'S

LOOK JUST AT THE FINANCIAL
PIECE

TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY

FEASIBLE, THEN WHAT'S THAT --
IF
YOU JUST DID THAT SMALL STEP.

BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T DO
THE

FINANCES, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
BE

ABLE TO FIX ANY

BUILDING, ET
CETERA, ET CETERA.

SO IF YOU JUST DID THE

FINANCIAL

PIECE LOOKING AT HOW CAN THE

CITY ACTUALLY AFFORD
THIS,

CONSIDERING ALL THE COSTS, ET

CETERA, WE NEED, WHAT WOULD THAT

COST AT LOOKING AT GETTING
AN

ACCURATE EVALUATION OF
THE

FINANCIAL PROPOSAL THAT WAS

PRESENTED TO THE COMMONS AT

THE O'REILLY
BUILDING.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE
I

UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION

BECAUSE
WHAT I'M HEARING.

ARE YOU ASKING IS THIS 40 TO
$50,000 -- IS THAT TOO MUCH
FOR

A FINANCIAL, OR IS THAT
NOT
ENOUGH?

IF THE QUESTION WE WERE

FOCUSING
JUST DIRECTLY ON THE FINANCIALS?
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I'M GOING TO ASSUME IT'S 40 TO
50,000 BECAUSE I'M GOING BACK
ON

JUST RECENTLY AGAIN WHEN WE
DID

A FIRE ONE, JUST FOR

FINANCIAL
IT WAS $50,000.

MY UNDERSTANDING IF AN AD HOC APPROVED FOR THIS, THEY'D BE

DOING A LOT OF THE

OUTREACH,

WORKING ON THEIR DUE

DILIGENCE,

DOING MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH,

LOOKING TO SEE WHO WOULD
BE
TENANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS IS
40 TO $50,000 WAS TO DO
THE
FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.

AND THEN THERE WAS A LITTLE
BIT

IN THERE LIKE A FEW THOUSAND
FOR

A PRELIMINARY -- WHAT A

PRELIMINARY LAYOUT COULD
LOOK

LIKE ON THE INTERIOR OF THE
BUILDING.

COULD YOU REMIND

ME WHAT WE
PAID FOR THE APPRAISAL?

IT WAS ALSO --

I DO NOT HAVE
THAT.

IT WAS PRETTY HIGH, BUT --

WE DID HAVE THAT OFFERED FOR
ME.

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I'M SORRY?

WE HAVE CITIZENS
THAT

WOULD --
OH, WE DID THAT, TOO.

BUT ONCE WE ACTUALLY

HIRED AN

EXPERT AND DISCOVERED WHAT WE

DISCOVERED, WEERIZELOAD
THE

IMPORTANCE OF HAVING EXPERTS
DO
IT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF RET ROW

FITTING, AND YEAH, IT ENDED
UP

BEING A LOT MORE THAN ANY OF
US

THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BASED
ON
FRIENDS LOOK AT IT.

SO JUST SAYING.

COUNCIL
MEMBER HINTON.

YEAH.

I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS.

I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF ROLL
A
FEW OF THEM OUT HERE.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CLARIFY
THE EIFD.

I WORKED ON THAT FOR MANY
YEARS,
MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE.

THE EIFD IS A LONG-RANGE.

WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE
IT

IMPLEMENTED AT LEAST TEN
YEARS
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I

BEFORE WE COULD BORROW

AGAINST
IT.

SO THE EIFD IS NOT IN
OUR
IMMEDIATE FUTURE.

SO SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP,

WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT'S
A
REALITY OF THE EIFD, OKAY?

I ALSO -- ONE OF THE
FIRST

QUESTIONS I SAID WAS WHERE
IS
OUR SUPERVISOR?

A LOT OF TIMES SUPERVISORS CAN

GIVE THEIR DISTRICTS PROJECT

MONEY, I THINK THAT WE NEED
ALL
THE STAKEHOLDERS AT THE TABLE.

IT'S A LITTLE FRUSTRATING
TO
HAVE AN ASK FOR 40 TO
50K WHEN

WE'RE STILL IN A
FISCAL

EMERGENCY AND IT'S NOT

CURRENTLY
BUDGETED.

AND THE CITY'S EXPECTED

TO PONY
UP THE WHOLE AMOUNT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET FOR
IT
RIGHT NOW.

SO TO SKIP

THAT PROCESS DOESN'T

FEEL RESPONSIBLE RIGHT NOW
WHEN

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF
WE'RE

GOING TO GET OUR HOTEL
BUILT,

THE CITY'S GOING TO BE

BROKE IN
THREE

YEARS, IF THAT HOTEL
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DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY.

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I'M LIKE A MONEY PERSON.

I'M FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE,
AND
I'VE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME.

I PLAN MY KIDS TO LIVE HERE
A
LONG TIME.

I'M HOPING THAT
THEY STAY.

I'M LOOKING AT 50 YEARS DOWN
THE
ROAD, 30 YEARS DOWN
THE ROAD.

I'M NOT LOOKING TO TOMORROW OR
WRITING A CHECK.

IF I HAD AN OPEN

POCKETBOOK, IT
WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

IF THE CITY WAS IN A
GREAT

FINANCIAL POSITION, IT
ALL

SOUNDS GREAT AND SUPER

EXCITING,

AND AS POINTED OUT TONIGHT
LOTS
OF CITIES ARE IN THE SAME BOAT.

WE JUST SAW CITY OF SANTA
ROSA

MAKING A DEAL, RIGHT, TO TRY
AND

MOVE INTO A BUILDING AND BLAH,
BLAH, BLAH.

ALSO MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I'VE SAT

HERE ON THE DAIS, BUT I NEED
TO

POINT OUT WE MAY NEED TO HAVE A
CHANGING OF THE GUARD COMING UP.

WE ARE IN AN ELECTION CYCLE, AND
2016 COUNCIL PURCHASED A PARK

AND PURCHASED FOR INTEREST FOR
A
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19 MILLION SIX, WHICH WE OWN
IT
TODAY.

WE'VE OWNED IT FOR ABOUT
YEARS AND SPENT 80 TO 900,000 TO

MAINTAIN THAT PARK AND THAT
WAS
ANOTHER MILLION AND SIX.

THAT WAS A DECISION MADE BY
THE

COUNCIL AT THE TIME THAT PUT
US
IN THE LANDLORD BUSINESS.

WE ALSO INVESTED I

BELIEVE IT
WAS $100 MILLION AND IT
WAS

REFERRED TO BY A COUNCIL
MEMBER

TONIGHT AND THAT WAS MICHAEL CAR

NACI AND WE SPENT IN CONSULTANT
FEES $116,000.

AND WHEN THE WILL OF ON
THAT

PROJECT CHANGED,

AND THOSE

CONSULTANT FEES WERE OUT
THE

DOOR AND THE PROJECT WAS
NEVER
BUILT.

SO I FEEL REALLY LIKE I

WANT TO

PUMP THIS DECISION TO
THE

MIDYEAR REVIEW, WHICH IS OUR

POLICY AND HAVE THE
BUDGET

COMMITTEE REVIEW IT TO SEE IF

WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE ENOUGH
MONEY
TO FUND THIS ADDITIONAL ASK.

SO THAT'S NOT SAYING NO, BUT
IT'S ALSO NOT SAYING RIGHT NOW.

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THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING
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FROM,

AND IT'S JUST A COMBINATION
OF

THE PAST AND THE THINGS THAT
THE

CITY HAS PAID FOR THAT WE
PAID
ON CONSULTANT FEES.

AND I HATE PROJECTS THAT WE
PAY
FOR THAT JUST GO ON THE SHELF.

AND I'M REALLY NOT SURE WE
CAN

AFFORD IT, AND I DON'T KNOW --
I
MEAN, IT ALL SOUNDS GREAT, YEAH.

LET'S WRITE A CHECK AND VET IT

OUT AND I APPRECIATE ALL
THE
WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE.

BUT I THINK THAT WRITING THE

CHECK SHOULD BE PUSHED OUT
TO

THE MID-YEAR BUDGET

REVIEW,
WHICH IS OUR .

IT'S NOT LIKE THAT'S A

SURPRISE
DECISION.

WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT MID-YEAR
REVIEW.

AND AS PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS

KNOW SITTING ON THE DAIS AND
IN

THE ROOM, THAT THAT'S WHEN WE

DECIDE, OKAY, WE'VE

COLLECTED

MORE MONEY

THAN WE THOUGHT OR WE

SAVED SOME MONEY,

AND WE FEEL

LIKE WE CAN ADD EXTRA

PROJECTS

AT THAT TIME, EXTRA

POSITIONS,
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ET CETERA.

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SO THAT'S A DIRECTION TO
STAFF

THAT I WOULD SUPPORT

TONIGHT,

AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE
MY
COLLEAGUES ON THIS.

BUT THAT'S MY
COMMENT.

OKAY.

WELL, I'LL WEIGH IN.

JUST A COUPLE POINTS.

DAVIS HAS A $95.1 MILLION
BUDGET.

AND MIDDLE TOWN'S

FACILITY IT

WAS PAID BY THE COUNTY AND
THE

INDIAN GAMING STATE AND

FEDERAL
GRANTS.

SO I WAS JUST CURE YG

BECAUSE

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT

HOW TO GET TO YES

ESPECIALLY

WHEN WE SIT HERE AND

TALK ABOUT
BEING IN A FISCAL EMERGENCY.

AND I JUST WALKED THIS WEEKEND,

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT ALL
THE

DOORS I KNOCKED ON NOT ONE
PERSON WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.

THEY ASKED ME WHAT THE HELL ARE
YOU DOING?

WE'RE IN A FISCAL
EMERGENCY.

WE PASSED THIS TAX MAJOR AND
NOW

YOU HAVE THIS PIE IN THE
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SKY
Agenda Item Number 2
IDEA.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS I
HEARD
FROM CITIZENS.

I DID NOT HAVE

ONE PERSON THAT
ACTUALLY SUPPORTED IT.

I'M JUST SAYING THOSE ARE
THE
FACTS.

AS I TALK TO PEOPLE, MORE
PEOPLE

ARE WORRYING ABOUT
WHAT'S

HAPPENING WITH OUR WATER AND
THE

LACK OF FUNDING FOR

THAT AND
ALSO OUR BUMPY ROADS.

SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS JUST IN

MY, YOU KNOW, ANECDOTAL BUT
IN
MY DISCUSSIONS THIS WEEKEND.

AND I DID ATTEND THE TOWN
HALL,

THE MOST RECENT ONE, AND IT'S
A
LOVELY BUILDING.

I MEAN, IT'S A REALLY
GREAT
IDEA.

IT'S -- YOU KNOW, IT'S
BEAUTIFUL.

I MEAN, WHO WOULDN'T WANT THAT.

BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS, AND
I'VE

PUT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME IN ALL

OF THIS RESEARCHING IT
AND

ASKING LOTS
OF QUESTIONS.

AND I MEAN, I HAVE PUT A LOT
OF
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TIME IN THIS.

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IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, ON
A
LIMB HERE.

AND I ACTUALLY MADE A LONG
LIST

OF THOUGHTS BECAUSE I WANTED
TO

BE VERY CLEAR AND COMMUNICATE TO

PEOPLE THE CONCERNS

I HAVE SO

THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE
I'M
COMING FROM.

YOU KNOW, I JUST GRAPPLE
WITH

THE IDEA THAT IT'S
THE

RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY
AND
OUR TAXPAYERS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 2,500
PEOPLE

HERE TO PROVIDE THESE FACILITIES

FOR THE NONPROFITS AND THE
LIBRARY.

WHERE'S THE FUNDING FOR
THE
COUNTY?

I SAW THE HEAT MAP AND
I

SUSPECTED MANY OF THE PEOPLE
WHO

GO TO THE SENIOR CENTER ARE
FROM

THE COUNTY, AND THAT'S
A

QUESTION THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE
ASK ME.

IT'S NOT AN US AND THEM,
BUT

IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT

THERE'S
ONLY 7,500 PEOPLE HERE IN TOTAL.
3,300 HOMES PAYING TAXES
HERE,

AND SHOULD THE CITIZENS
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LIVING
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HERE IN THIS CITY BE

RESPONSIBLE

FOR PAYING FOR ALL THE

SERVICES

FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT

ACTUALLY
PAYING INTO THAT?
I MEAN, IT'S JUST A FACT.

IT'S JUST THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH
TO GO AROUND.

AND PEOPLE ARE

FEELING, YOU

KNOW, THEY PASS THE TAX

MEASURE

FOR US AND EVERYONE IS
PAYING

THAT BECAUSE IF YOU SHOP
HERE
YOU'RE PAYING IT.

BUT IT'S STILL -- YOU KNOW,
I

LISTEN PEOPLE TALK TO ME
ABOUT
THE FIRE.

SOME PEOPLE ARE VERY HAPPY,
MOST
PEOPLE.

I HAD SOMEONE WHO WASN'T HAPPY

ABOUT PAYING
$265 A YEAR.

THAT'S ANOTHER COST PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN PAYING.

I PERSONALLY AM

VERY CONCERNED

ABOUT THE RISK OF

DESTABILIZING
OUR CITY FINANCES.

EVEN SPENDING THIS MONEY, I
MEAN

WE'RE GETTING GRIEF
FOR

APPROVING CREDIT FOR
NOT
CHARGING $5,000.

WE'VE BEEN UP HERE AT THE
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DAIS
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FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS

ARGUING OVER WHETHER WE
SHOULD
SPEND -- ALLOW $500 OR
A

THOUSAND DOLLARS HERE AND
THERE
FOR NONPROFITS.

WE ACTUALLY WANT TO CUT BACK
FOR

SUPPORTING NONPROFITS IN EVERY

WAY, AND JUST TO GET US WHERE
WE

ARE, I MEAN WE FINALLY
HAVE

GOTTEN OURSELVES TO A PLACE
BUT

WE HAVE A ANOTHER RISKY PROJECT
WHICH IS ST. VINCENT DE
PAUL,

WHICH WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR A
FISCAL EMERGENCY.

I'M CONCERNED WITH MOVING
IT
FROM DOWNTOWN.

THAT IS A CONCERN I

HAD SOME

PEOPLE COMMUNICATING TO
ME,
AGAIN.

ISN'T ONE OF THE PRIORITIES
OF

THE CITY THAT WE ALL -- WE
ALL

AGREE TO OUR

GOALS, AND THE

FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT IN
OUR

SURVEYS WAS THE VITALITY
OF
DOWNTOWN AS A PRIORITY.

AND SO NOW WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT

MOVING IT FROM DOWNTOWN, SO
SOME

PEOPLE THAT I HEARD

FROM SAID
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I
IT'S VERY HYPOCRITICAL.

LIKE HOW CAN WE

SAY WE'RE

CONCERNED ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN BUT

WE WANT TO MOVE IT OUT
TO
O'REILLY.

WHEN I WAS AT THE PRESENTATION

HEARD PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN
WEST
COUNTY THEY'RE ALL DRIVING HERE.

AND I JUST THOUGHT A LITTLE
BIT,

LIKE, WE'RE ALL ELECTED
TO
REPRESENT 7,500 PEOPLE HERE,
AND
ALL I

HEARD WAS SOMEBODY WHO WAS

COMING OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY
HERE

AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD
BE
CONCERNED WITH THAT.

I JUST DIDN'T HEAR A LOT
OF

CONCERN WITH OUR CITY

FOLKS IN

THAT PRESENTATION, AND I GOT
A

LITTLE DISAPPOINTED WITH
THAT.

LET'S SEE, I'M SORRY.

I LOST MY PLACE HERE.

I PERSONALLY AM CONCERNED
ABOUT

THE CITY BEING IN THE

MIDDLE OF

A MONEY COLLECTING LANDLORD AND
RENTALS.

I HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
THAT
IN THE

LAST COUPLE OF DAYS AND
HOW DO WE DO THIS.

IF THERE'S LIMITATIONS
WHAT
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HAPPENS
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WITH THAT?
I'M REALLY IMPRESSED.

YOUR 990 SHOWS YOUR REVENUE IN
2025 WAS 1.
2 MILLION.

THAT'S AMAZING.

IT REALLY IS.

SO I HAVE TO SAY I HAVE
FAITH

THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT
WE
DECIDE HERE.

YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN

FUND-RAISING, AND I
TRULY

BELIEVE YOU WILL FIND ANOTHER

SPACE, AND I

JUST WANT TO GIVE
YOU KUDOS FOR THAT.

BECAUSE AS A NON-PROFIT
LEADER

MYSELF I KNOW HOW HARD THAT
IS,

SO I WAS REALLY -- I MEAN I WAS
LIKE WOW.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T

FIGURE OUT AGAIN WHY SOME
7,500
RESIDENTS HERE, 3,300
HOUSES

REALLY NEED TO SHOULDER ALL
OF
THIS.

AND I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT

MOVING,

YOU KNOW, OUT
OF DOWNTOWN.

AND I KNOW THAT

A COLLEAGUE
WANTS TO PUSH IT.

I PERSONALLY AM NOT

SUPPORTIVE
OF THIS IN GENERAL.

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IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND
I

UNDERSTAND GETTING
BETTER

FACILITIES, AND WE ALL
WANT
THAT.

BUT I CAN'T SEE HOW WE CAN
DO

THAT WHEN WE HAVE
BEEN

STRUGGLING WITH GETTING

OURSELVES FINANCIALLY STABLE
AGAIN.

I THINK RIGHT NOW LOOKING
AT

THIS POINT AND EVERYTHING WE

ASKED ALREADY OUR RESIDENTS
TO

FUND SO WE CAN ACTUALLY

BALANCE
THE BUDGET.

AND, LOOK, EVEN A YEAR AND
WE

COULDN'T GET APPROVED FOR OUR

FINANCIAL
SITUATION.

WE COULDN'T EVEN GET A WELL TO
-- GET A LOAN TO REPLACE
A
WELL.

SO THAT ALONE IS CONCERNING
TO
ME.

I PERSONALLY RIGHT NOW -- I
KNOW

YOU ALL DID A TON OF WORK, AND
I
RESPECT IT.

I WOULD LOVE A NEW

BUILDING,
TOO.

I WOULD LOVE THE COMMUNITY
CENTER TO BE IN A BETTER PLACE.

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I AM TIRED OF PICKING UP
THAT

FLOOR AND MOVING IT OUT OF
THE
WAY OF THE WATER.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN
THERE
AND DONE ALL OF THAT.

I WAS JUST THERE THIS

WEEKEND

WITH THE EMERGENCY

PREPAREDNESS

GROUP WORKING WITH THE

SENIORS
ON THAT, SO I'M REALLY SORRY.

I KNOW YOU'VE PUT A TON OF TIME
IN.

I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE

I'M COMING FROM WITH

THIS, BUT

AT THIS TIME I FEEL IT'S
MY

RESPONSIBILITY TO BE

RESPONSIBLE

RIGHT NOW AND TO ME
THAT'S

LIVING WITHIN OUR MEANS
AND

DEALING WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT
NOW

UNTIL WE CAN GET TO A
BETTER
PLACE.

MIND YOU, I EVEN

WENT SO FAR TO

MEET WITH AN

AIDE FROM SENATOR

SCHIFF RECOMMENDING THAT WE BE
QUALIFIED FOR A FEDERAL LOAN.

I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO DO

THAT, BUT THERE'S JUST
NO

GUARANTEES WITH ALL OF
THESE
THINGS.

I MEAN, SERIOUSLY A
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YEAR AND A
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HALF AGO WE COULDN'T EVEN
GET
ONE.

ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

I APPRECIATE EVERYONE

LISTENING,

BUT I WANTED

TO EXPLAIN TO

EVERYBODY IN A CLEAR
MATTER

WHERE I'M AT AND SO YOU COULD

UNDERSTAND
WHY.

OKAY.

FIRSTLY, I AM SUPER

IMPRESSED

WITH THE WORK THAT

EVERYONE'S

BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST
YEAR,

AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE GRACE

THAT EVERYBODY'S HAD AS
WE'VE

COME OUT WATCHING -- YOU KNOW,
WE WERE MAKING THE SAUSAGE.

IT'S NOT PRETTY WHEN
IT'S
GETTING MADE.

IT'S NOW OUT OF THE BAG,

AND NOW

IT'S TIME FOR THE WHOLE
ENTIRE

CITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS,
AND

SO I'M SUPER GRATEFUL FOR ALL

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW TAKING
A
LOOK AT IT.

HAVING AN OPEN MIND AND
SEEING

WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES OF
A
LIBRARY SPACE COULD BE.

I'VE GROWN UP LIKE IN
OTHER
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TOWNS WITH BEAUTIFUL LIBRARIES,
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EVEN SMALLER PLACES.

THIS ONE'S SUPER WELL-LOVED.

AND WHAT I MENTIONED AT THE
LAST

PRESENTATION WAS, LIKE,
THE
LIBRARY WAS MAXED OUT LIKE 98%.

IT'S LIKE A FISH IN
A FISHBOWL.

IF YOU GET A BIGGER BOWL,
THE

FISH IS GOING TO FILL IT
OUT,

AND IT WILL
BE WELL-LOVED.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS
THAT

I FEEL LIKE I'M HEARING YOU
NOW

IS PHYSICAL
RESPONSIBILITY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO HONOR THAT.

AND WHAT I THINK

THAT I THINK

MAYBE RIGHT NEXT STEPS ARE
TO

FORM AN AD HOC SO THAT WE
CAN
ADDRESS THE COUNTY MONEY ISSUE.

WHAT THEIR CONTRIBUTION CAN
BE,

WE CAN ADDRESS WHO THE TENANTS

MIGHT BE, AND JUST HAVE
THIS

ABILITY TO RESEARCH FURTHER
TO

MAKE SURE EVEN MORE OF THE
DUCKS

ARE IN A ROW SO THAT
THESE

QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED, SO
THAT

WE'RE GOING TO -- LIKE I HELD
A

WORKSHOP AT SAINT STEVENS
AND

WAS ABLE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT
THE

RESIDENCES IN THE -- YOU
KNOW,
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WITH KIDS LIKE MINE WHO
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LIVE

NEAR THE LIBRARY AND

WHAT THEY

WOULD ACTUALLY MISS, AND
WHAT

KIND OF THIRD PLACES ARE REALLY

IMPORTANT
TO THEM.

ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS
I'M

CONCERNED ABOUT IS ARE
THE
BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN?

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT

ABOUT WHEN WE WERE OVERTURNING A
BUNCH OF ROCKS.

AND PLEASE NOTE WE TRIED TO
TURN

OVER EVERY SINGLE ROCK
THERE
WAS.

LIKE EVERY SINGLE BUILDING IN

THIS ENTIRE TOWN WE LOOKED AT

BEFORE WE GOT TO THE

O'REILLY
BUILDING REALLY.

AND I CAME TO THE

CONCLUSION
NOTHING WAS AVAILABLE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER

LIBRARY, IF WE'RE GOING

TO, YOU

KNOW, IMPROVE IT, IF WE'RE
GOING

TO DO ANYTHING,

WE'RE PRETTY

MUCH GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE TO
A

DIFFERENT BUILDING, AND

THE ONLY

ONE AVAILABLE IS THE

O'REILLY
BUILDINGS.

IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD ONTO
THIS
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PARTICULAR LIBRARY WE HAVE
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AND

KEEP IT ON THE CITY CENTER, IT
MAY NOT EVEN HAPPY.

I'M ALMOST SURE THAT ADDING
IT

ON OR IMPROVING IT OR EVEN A
REMODEL WHICH WOULD COST $5

MILLION, BECAUSE IT

INSTANTLY

WOULD CAUSE LIKE SEISMIC
REVIEW
AND ENGINEERING REVIEWS.

WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO LOSE
PART

OF THE COMMONS IMMEDIATELY
WHEN

THE SENIOR CENTER FINDS

ANOTHER
PLACE.

YOU GUYS HAVE TO GROW, AND
WE'LL

FIGURE THAT OUT ONE WAY OR
THE
OTHER.

BUT IF WE DON'T MOVE

TOGETHER,

THEN IT'S JUST A LIBRARY ON
ITS
OWN.

AND PRETTY MUCH THE DOWNTOWN
HAS

LOST A BIG CHUNK OF ITS
CIVIC

CORE THAT WE'RE ALL

MISSING
ANYWAY.

SO IF WE CAN MOVE THEM ALL

TOGETHER,

THEN WE HAVE THE

OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE
A

DIFFERENT TYPE OF ECONOMY RIGHT

DOWNTOWN, AND ALL OF THIS
GOES

WITH OUR GREEN AND
OUR
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SUSTAINABILITY PROMISES AND
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OUR
VITALITY DOWNTOWN.

IT COULD ACTUALLY

BRING, YOU
KNOW, A HUNDRED OR 200 MORE

RESIDENTS STRAIGHT UP DOWNTOWN
WHO ARE THERE FOR 24 HOURS A
DAY

AND CAN GO GET COFFEE, CAN
GO

GET BOOKS, CAN GO GET
RESTAURANTS.

WHEREAS RIGHT NOW IF YOU GO
TO

MANY OTHER CITIES, THE

LIBRARY
IN

THE BUSINESS DISTRICT ARE THE
ONES THAT SHUTDOWN.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ONLY

AVAILABLE

A COUPLE, A
FEW HOURS.

AND REALLY THEY'RE
NOT

CONTRIBUTING TO THE DOWNTOWN
LIKE YOU -- LIKE THEY MIGHT BE.

FORTUNATELY, YOU

KNOW, I HAVE

DONE SOME BUSINESS OUTREACH
AND

SOME OF THE BUSINESSES HAVE
SAID

WHETHER OR NOT THEY FELT
THE

IMPACT OF THE LIBRARY BEING

CLOSE, AND THIS IS AN

AMAZING,

YOU KNOW, POINT FOR A CASE
STUDY

BECAUSE WE'RE ISOLATING WHAT
THE

LIBRARY'S IMPACT ACTUALLY IS
ON
BUSINESSES.

SUPER INTERESTING.

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SO, LIKE, TO WIND THIS ALL
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BACK

QUICKLY SO I DON'T JUST
REHASH

THE PAST, THREE MONTHS OF --

TRYING TO EXPLAIN HOW WE GOT
TO

THE O'REILLY BUILDING, I
JUST

WANT TO SAY HAVING
THE

OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE

AN AD HOC

WHICH COSTS THE CITY NOTHING --

YOU KNOW, NOT NOTHING, YOU
KNOW,

MAYBE LIKE TEN HOURS OF STAFF

TIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OVER

THE NEXT COUPLE OF

MONTHS, WE

COULD REALLY GET TO THE
PLACE

WHERE WE HAD A BETTER IDEA ABOUT
WHAT GRANTS LOOK LIKE.

WE COULD STILL

LOOK LIKE

DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES
IF

THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL'S WILL

IS, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY
TRY

TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND
HOW

THE EFID IMPACT WHICH I THOUGHT

WOULD BE IN YEAR TEN OR

YEARYEAR

EIGHT IN THE FINANCIAL MODEL

ANYWAY, WE CAN UNDERSTAND
ABOUT

COUNTRY CONTRIBUTIONS
IN A

DIFFERENT WAY OR THE GAPA'S

CONTRIBUTIONS IN A

DIFFERENT
WAY.

OTHERWISE, IF WE KICK THE
BALL
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TOO HARD WE'RE NEVER GOING
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TO
BUILD
ANOTHER LIBRARY.

LIKE THIS IS
THE MOMENT.

WHEN O'REILLY CHANGES, LIKE
IF

WE KICK THIS DOWN AND

O'REILLY

MOVES ON, THEN WE'RE FORCED INTO

A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE TO
BUILD

ON THAT ONE PARTICULAR PLACE
OF

LAND, AND THEN WE'RE

DEFINITELY
INTO A 30 TO $40

MILLION
PROJECT.

EVEN IF WE WON OUT, IT'S
GOING
TO BE $10 MILLION THEN IT WON'T.

MAYBE SEVEN.

BUT WITH A FEW MORE YEARS WITH

INFLATION AS IT IS, IT'S

DEFINITELY GOING TO BE
$10

MILLION JUST TO ADD ON A SMALL
LITTLE PORTION.

AND YOU'RE NOT STILL NOT

BEAUTIFYING THAT PLACE AND
STILL

NOT MAKING SEBASTOPOL A WANT TO
BE DESTINATION.

WHEREAS IF YOU DID COME TO
THE

O'REILLY BUILDING, AND
I, YOU

KNOW, RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE THAT

IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A

TRANSPORTATION CRISIS

BECAUSE I

THINK A LOT OF THE PEOPLE
THAT
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ACTUALLY DO LIVE UP THERE,
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AND

IT'S VERY BIKABLE ON THE WEST

COUNTY LINE, BUT IT DOES
TAKE

AWAY THE HEART, AND THAT'S NOT
WANTED.

YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS TO
TAKE

AWAY THE HEART OF THE CITY
AND
MOVE IT UP THERE.

SO I JUST -- I JUST WANT

TO, YOU

KNOW, PROPOSE THAT WE KNOCK
THIS

BACK TO, YOU KNOW, AN AD HOC
FOR
THE
MOMENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER
HINTON.

I'D BE WILLING TO GIVE
STAFF

DIRECTION TO CONSIDER AN AD HOC

IN DECEMBER, AND THEN THEY
WOULD

WORK TOWARDS INSTEAD OF
THIS
PLAN OF $18 MILLION, WHICH IS ON
SLIDE -- IT LOOKS LIKE PAGE 16.

THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE

ONE-BUILDING OPTION

WE HEARD
ABOUT TONIGHT OF $8 MILLION.

AND THEN THEY WOULD BRING IT
TO

THE BUDGET MIDYEAR SUBCOMMITTEE

FOR CONSIDERATION
AND
RECOMMENDATION.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M

WILLING TO

PROPOSE TONIGHT, AND I
DON'T
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KNOW IF I CAN DO THAT IN FORM
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OF
A
MOTION.

I HAVEN'T MADE ANY COMMENTS

YET SO --
NO,

I WANT YOU TO, AND THEN I

HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO, SO
GO
AHEAD.

WE
HAVE TIME.

I THINK

THIS IS REALLY

CHALLENGING BECAUSE

WE HAVE, YOU

KNOW, A BLUE RIBBON

COMMITTEE

HERE THAT HAS BEEN WANTING
TO

PUT TOGETHER THIS COMMONS FOR --

FOR OUR SENIOR CENTER AND
THE

LIBRARY AND THE

COMMUNITY
CENTER.

AND YOU'VE WORKED ON THIS
FOR A
FULL YEAR.

AND YOU'VE

LANDED ON -- THE LAST

TIME YOU WERE HERE WAS JULY
7th.

AND AT THAT MEETING YOU

HAD TWO
POSSIBLE LOCATIONS.

ONE WAS DOWNTOWN, AND THE
OTHER
WAS THE O'REILLY BUILDING.

AND THERE WASN'T A FINANCIAL
PROPOSAL.

SO WHAT WE WERE TOLD AT
THAT

TIME IS YOU WOULD COME BACK
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Agenda Item Number 2
IN

SEPTEMBER -- SO THE

ATTORNEY

SAID THE COMMITTEE WILL
COME

BACK IN SEPTEMBER TO MAKE
A
FORMAL RECOMMENDATION.

BUT INSTEAD WHAT HAPPENED IS
THE
COMMITTEE DECIDED ON JULY 14
th

TO CHOOSE ONE LOCATION AND THEN

START HOLDING TOWN HALLS TO

SOLICIT SUPPORT FOR THAT
ONE
LOCATION.

AND FOR ME THAT WAS VERY

UPSETTING BECAUSE IT CREATED
A

LOT OF UNNECESSARY DIVISION, I
THINK, IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND I'M GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SET
THAT ASIDE.

I ALSO THINK THAT YOU
DIDN'T

REALLY LOOK AT THE IDEA OF
AN

ADDITION NEXT TO THE

LIBRARY,

AND THAT COULD BE A COUPLE
STORY

ADDITION THERE THAT COULD
SERVE
THE SENIOR CENTER.

IT COULD SERVE CITY HALL IN SOME

WAY, AND THAT WAS
NEVER
INVESTIGATED.

AND ALL WE WERE TOLD WAS,
WELL,

THAT'S TOO EXPENSIVE SO WE
CAN'T
DO THAT.

SO I LIKE TO KEEP THE
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TWO
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OPTIONS STILL OPEN AND NOT LAND
ON ANYTHING.

I ALSO FEEL REALLY

STRONGLY
ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN CORE.

AND TO ME THESE -- THE

BUILDINGS

ARE BEAUTIFUL, BUT THEY DO
NEED

A LOT OF WORK, AND THEY'RE
WAY

BIGGER THAN I THINK WHAT
WE
NEED.

AND I THINK IT WOULD

PROBABLY

END UP BIFURCATING OUR
TOWN,

CREATING A NORTH PART

OF TOWN

AND THE CENTER OF TOWN, AND THE
EAST PART OF TOWN.

AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF

KEEPING

THE HEART OF TOWN, AND
THE

LIBRARY IS CENTRAL TO THE HEART
OF TOWN AND THE SENIOR CENTER.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE

BURSTING

AT THE SEAMS, AND IT'S

WONDERFUL
BECAUSE YOU'RE SO SUCCESSFUL.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE
WEST
COUNTY RESIDENTS.

I'M GRATEFUL.

SEBASTOPOL'S AMAZING
AND

WONDERFUL BECAUSE OF THE WEST
COUNTY.

WE COULD NEVER HAVE AS
MANY

RESTAURANTS AS WE DO OR
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AS GREAT
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OF SERVICES, AS GREAT OF AN
ARTS

CENTER, A SENIOR CENTER,
COMMUNITY CENTER.

ALL THESE SERVICES ARE
GREAT

BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE
SURROUNDING -- 50,000
PEOPLE

SURROUNDING US THAT ARE USING

IT, SO I HAVE A LOT
OF

APPRECIATION

FOR THE WEST COUNTY

RESIDENTS FOR THAT REASON

BECAUSE THEY MAKE OUR TOWN
REALLY GREAT.

SO WE HAVE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOK AT AN
$850,000 DEFICIT FOR THIS
YEAR.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, OKAY, WE'LL
GIVE YOU 50,000 AND A BUNCH
OF
MORE STAFF TIME.

I JUST CAN'T -- I CAN'T DO THAT.

NOT
NOW.

I WOULD CONSIDER

JOINING COUNCIL

MEMBER HINTON WITH THE IDEA OF

TAKING A MIDYEAR BUDGET

REVIEW,

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE

DOWNTOWN PROPERTY BE BACK IN THE

CONVERSATION TO SEE IF

ANYTHING
COULD BE FEASIBLE.

IF YOU COULD DO -- YOU COULD DO

PARKING UNDERNEATH AND MAYBE
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TWO
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OR THREE STORIES UP IT COULD
BE

A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AS AN ANNEX

TO -- YOU KNOW, AN ADDITION
TO

THE MAIN LIBRARY THERE
THAT

COULD INCLUDE THE NEEDS OF
SENIORS.

AND I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD
WORK

FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT
IT
COULD HELP WITH CITY HALL.

BUT IT ALSO COULD OFFER
A

BEAUTIFUL OBSERVATION DECK FOR

THE LAGUNA BECAUSE IT WOULD BE
UP
PRETTY HIGH.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST IS

TO INCLUDE BOTH PROPERTIES IN A
MIDYEAR REVIEW.

AND I DON'T WANT TO

CONTINUE

WITH AN AD HOC AT THIS TIME AND

WOULD LIKE TO JUST HAVE
THAT

MIDYEAR REVIEW TO SEE IF IT'S

EVEN FINANCIALLY
POSSIBLE.

AND I JUST -- A COUPLE
OF

THINGS POINT OF ORDER AND
SIMPLY

BECAUSE OF WHAT I JUST HEARD,

WANT TO EXPRESS THE

FRUSTRATION

THAT I FELT WHEN I LISTENED TO

THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE
I'M
JUST GOING TO SAY IT.

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I

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IT FELT LIKE A SALES JOB, NOT
AN
INFORMAL TYPE OF THING.

I MEAN, I HAD SO MANY
PEOPLE

COMING OUT OF

THERE AND CHEWING

MY EAR OFF

SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU

GUYS MADE A DECISION WITHOUT

ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT IT
AT

COUNCIL BECAUSE THE

IMPRESSION
WAS A DECISION WAS MADE.

AND AS A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT

SITS HERE AND HAS TO GO

THROUGH

ALL OF THAT AND WAS NOT PART
OF

ALL THAT, IT'S DISAPPOINTING
TO

HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT A

DECISION
WASN'T MADE.

BUT THE IMPRESSION FOR MANY

PEOPLE IS THAT A DECISION WAS
MADE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD SEVERAL

PEOPLE TELLING ME IT WAS A SALES
JOB.

THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE AT
A --

WHAT'S IT CALLED -- A TIME
SHARE
THING.

THAT WAS THE ANALOGY THEY USED.

SO AS A POINT OF ORDER, FOR
ME

PERSONALLY I WAS LIKE,
OKAY,
TAKE NOTE.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
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COMMITTEES AND COMMUNITY
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OUTREACH, NOW

WE NEED TO DEFINE

SOME OF THAT BECAUSE IT
JUST

FELT LIKE IT KIND OF

WENT BEYOND

WHAT IN MY MIND I WOULD

ENVISION
FOR THAT.

SO I JUST HAVE TO SAY
I'M

SHARING WITH
YOU ALL.

I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE A

CRITICISM, BUT I'M JUST

SHARING

THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE
TO
HAVE.

AND IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE WHEN

YOU'RE HAVING TO
HAVE

CONVERSATIONS AND

TELLING

PEOPLE, NO, A DECISION
WASN'T
MADE.

AND THEY'RE LIKE IT

CERTAINLY

SOUNDS LIKE

IT AND WASN'T

ACTUALLY DISCUSSED AT
THE
COUNCIL MEETING.

SO PEOPLE ARE DISAPPOINTED IN

THAT, AND I'M JUST SHARING
THAT
WITH YOU ALL.

I PERSONALLY AM NOT

SUPPORTIVE
OF HAVING AN AD HOC RIGHT NOW.

I THINK IT'S THE CART BEFORE
THE
HORSE.

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WE CAN AFFORD
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Agenda Item Number 2
IT.

AND AGAIN WE'VE GOT THE DEFICIT.

I WANT TO SHARE ALL THE THINGS

THAT WERE
SHARED TO ME.

IT DIDN'T GOOD SITTING IN
THERE

AND AFTERWARD KIND OF
BEING

ATTACKED BIA FEW

PEOPLE LIKE WHY
WAS THIS DECISION MADE.

ANYWAY, THAT'S MY --
GO
AHEAD.

I'M GOING TO COME BACK
AND

TRY TO LOBBY BECAUSE I
HEAR

COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER

SAYING,

YES, BUDGET CAN REVIEW IT
AT
MIDYEAR.

BUT WITHOUT HAVING SOME OF THAT

INFORMATION TO BE ABLE
TO

PRESENT TO BUDGET COMMITTEE,
I

DO THINK WE WOULD NEED TO
PULL

TOGETHER THIS COMMONS GROUP
THAT

HAS WORKED REALLY HARD AND
AN

AD HOC AT LEAST IN DECEMBER, AND

THAT WOULD GIVE THE STAKEHOLDERS

TIME TO REACH OUT TO
OUR

SUPERVISOR, LINDA HAWKINS, TO

SEE IF WE HAVE ANY COUNTY
SUPPORT OR WE CAN DRUM THAT.

OR MAYBE TO OUR
COUNTY
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COMMISSIONER FIGURE OUT IF
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WE

CAN GET THE LIBRARY TO KIND OF

STATE WHERE THEY COULD BE AT
SO

THAT WE CAN GO BACK INTO
THAT

BUDGET REQUEST MIDYEAR WITH
A

LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION
BEHIND

IT TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT JUST
THROWING $50,000 OUT.

SO MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE

TONIGHT, BUT I'M NOT FOR AN

AD HOC TONIGHT AND EXTENDING THE
AD HOC'S SCOPE OF WORK.

BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO TRY
TO

LOBBY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT
ALL
THIS WORK THROWN OUT THE WINDOW.

AND IT WOULD SEEM LIKE A NEW

AD HOC CREATED IN DECEMBER
TO

GET READY FOR THE
BUDGET

PRESENTATION MIGHT MAKE
SENSE,

SO THEY'RE NOT COMING IN
COLD

BECAUSE THIS INFORMATION WILL
BE

THREE MONTHS OLD OR FOUR
MONTHS

OLD BY THE TIME
WE GET THERE.

SO I AGREE THAT I DON'T
WANT

TO THROW OUT THEIR WORK, JUST TO
BE
CLEAR.

GOT TO FIGURE OUT -- I
WOULD

LIKE TO PUT THE DOWNTOWN
SPACE

BACK IN THERE FOR A
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REAL
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EVALUATION.

AND SO IF THAT'S PART OF THE

SCOPE OF THE AD HOC THAT MEET
IN

DECEMBER, I'M OKAY WITH
THAT.

BUT CAN WE REALLY DIRECT AN
AD HOC NOW THAT IS FOR DECEMBER?

YOU CAN CREATE ONE NOW IF
YOU

WANTED OR YOU CAN WAIT
UNTIL
DECEMBER.

I'D LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL
DECEMBER.

BUT CAN WE JUST SEND THAT TO

STAFF, STAFF DIRECTION THAT
WE

WANT THAT TO COME BACK AS
AN

AGENDA ITEM IN DECEMBER FOR
AN

AD HOC TO
BE CREATED?
YES, WE COULD COME BACK.

I

MEAN, ON THE FIRST OR
SECOND

MEETING IN DECEMBER

THERE'S

GOING TO BE A TURNOVER AND
THE

COUNCIL --

I THINK IT'S THE FIRST

MEETING, ISN'T
IT?

THE FIRST MEETING IS --

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON
HOW
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QUICKLY THE
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COUNTY.

UNDERSTOOD.

BUT I THINK WE'VE NEVER
MISSED
THE FIRST MEETING.

SO IS THAT JUST STAFF

DIRECTION,

OR DO WE HAVE
TO MOVE IT?
OKAY.

AND I DON'T WANT TO -- I DON'T

KNOW IF THERE'S SUPPORT FOR

THAT, BUT --

SO WHAT'S YOUR
MOTION?
I'D SUPPORT THAT.

IT'S NOT A MOTION.

THEY SAID IT'S JUST STAFF
DIRECTION.

AND WHAT'S THE
DIRECTION?

THE DIRECTION WOULD BE
TO

COME BACK THE SECOND WEEK,WEEK,

MEETING IN DECEMBER WITH
AN

AGENDA ITEM TO CREATE AN AD
HOC

WITH A SCOPE OF WORK TO
BE

DETERMINED BUT WOULD BRING
BOTH

PROPERTIES THAT WE
WERE

DISCUSSING DOWNTOWN AND

O'REILLY

BACK IN TO GET SOME

INFORMATION

ENOUGH TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL FOR
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THIS SAME FINANCIAL SCOPE
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OF

WORK TO THE MIDYEAR BUDGET
REVIEW.

I SECOND
THAT.

OKAY, SO WE'LL DO IT AS
A
MOTION.

THANKS.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY

SOMETHING

TO MAKE SURE THAT

EVERYONE'S

TALKING ABOUT THE
SAME THING.

AN AD HOC IS COMPRISED SOLELY
OF

TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO NO --

NOT THE FULL --

NOT THE COMMITTEE AND
EVERYTHING, RIGHT.

IT'S STAFF AND

TWO COUNCIL
MEMBERS, CORRECT?
YEAH.

AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT
THE

SCOPE OF WORK -- BECAUSE I
AGREE

THE TOWN HALLS WERE NOT

TYPICAL

IN AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, SO
IT

MIGHT -- WE'LL DETERMINE
THE

SCOPE OF WORK AT THAT
TIME.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I
STILL

JUST STRUGGUAL LE WITH THE WHOLE
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MONEY THING, SO I DON'T
WANT
WORK THROWN AT IT EITHER.

IT'S MUCH MORE FINANCIALLY IS
AN
ISSUE FOR ME RIGHT NOW.

SO ANYWAY.

SO YOU JUST NEED
DIRECTION?

WE HAVE A
MOTION.

CAN YOU READ THE MOTION BACK?

SO THE MOTION I HEARD
WAS

MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER
HINTON

AND SECONDED BY VICE
MAYOR

MAURER TO DIRECT STAFF FOR
THE

SECOND MEETING BACK IN

DECEMBER

AND AD HOC COMMITTEE
WITH

PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK
TO

INCLUDE BOTH LOCATIONS, AND
TO

BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR

CONSIDERATION AT THAT SAID
MEETING.

AND THEN DIDN'T YOU

HAVE IT

WOULD ALSO GO TO BUDGET

REVIEW -- IN PREPARATION TO
GO

TO BUDGET
REVIEW, RIGHT?

PART OF THE SCOPE OF
WORK

WOULD BE IN PREPARATION FOR
THE

MIDYEAR
BUDGET.

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Agenda Item Number 2

MIDYEAR BUDGET
REVIEW.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A

STATEMENT BEFORE WE VOTE, IT'S
JUST

I CAN'T SUPPORT HAVING

SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF OUR
DOWNTOWN.

SO I WILL BE VOTING NO, BUT
I

WANT PEOPLE TO
UNDERSTAND WHY.

I'M JUST NOT SUPPORTIVE
OF

MOVING IT OUT OF DOWNTOWN
AND

HAVING THAT
AS PART OF IT.

AND WE HAVE TO DO THIS
PAST

BECAUSE AS A POINT OF ORDER AT
10:30 WE ALL HAVE TO
AGREE,

OTHERWISE THE
MEETING ENDS.

MAYOR.

YOU'RE GOING TO READ IT
AGAIN.

INCLUDE
THE DOWNTOWN.

I'M SORRY?

WE INCLUDED
THE DOWNTOWN.

RIGHT.

SO SO MOVED BY COUNCIL
MEMBER

HINTON AND SECONDED BY
VICE

MAYOR MAURER TO DIRECT

STAFF TO

BRING IT BACK AT THE SECOND
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Agenda Item Number 2
IN

DECEMBER CREATION OF

AN AD HOC

COMMITTEE WITH THE

PROPOSED

SCOPE OF WORK TO INCLUDE
STAFF

TIME IN DEFINITIONS AND THEN
FOR

CONSIDERATION OF BOTH

LOCATIONS

IN PREPARATION FOR THE

MIDYEAR
BUDGET REVIEW.

IF IT

WASN'T SECONDED --
IT WAS, YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER
CARTER?
YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER HINTON.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER
ZOLLMAN.

YES.

VICE
MAYOR MAURER.

YES.

MAYOR
McLEWIS.

AT THIS TIME,
NO.

MOTION PASSES 4-1
WITH

COUNCIL MEMBERS CARTER, HINTON,

ZOLLMAN, AND VICE --

I CAN SEE BY

BODY LANGUAGE WE'RE NOT
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STAYING
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PAST 10:30.

WE HAVE TO HAVE

UNANIMOUS
AGREEMENT TO STAY PAST 10:30,
SO

THE MEETING WILL
BE ADJOURNING.

THANK YOU. [Event Concluded]
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