MINUTES.
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YEAH, I KNOW.
THANK
YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENTS.
NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS.
HI.
MY NAME IS PAUL FRITZ.
FIRST, I LIKE TO SAY I
DO
APPRECIATE THE LOOK INTO THIS.
I THINK THE COMMONS IS A
GREAT
IDEA.
HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK
THE
O'REILLY BUILDING IS
THE
SOLUTION.
THE CIVIC FUNCTIONS
BELONG
DOWNTOWN.
THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE
VITALITY
OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE THE HEART OF OUR
COMMUNITY BOTH FIGURATIVELY
OF
THE HEART BUT ALSO THEY SHOULD
BE THE HEART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
DOWNTOWN WILL MISS
THESE
ORGANIZATIONS IF THEY LEAVE.
WE'RE A COMMUNITY
THAT
UNDERSTANDS THE
CLIMATE CRISIS
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WE ARE FACING.
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WE NEED TO GET REAL ABOUT IT.
THIS LOCATION IS A
DRIVE-THRU
LOCATION, AS EVIDENCE BY
THE
ENORMOUS PARKING LOT.
IT'S
PROBABLY THE BIGGEST
PARKING LOT IN THE CITY.
I KNOW PEOPLE ARE EXCITED
ABOUT
THAT BUT THIS IS A DRIVE-TO
LOCATION.
THE LOCATIONS WHERE
THESE
COMMUNITY FACILITIES ARE NOW ARE
WALK-TO LOCATIONS.
I GET SOME PEOPLE DRIVE, A
LOT
OF PEOPLE DRIVE, BUT YOU'RE
NOW
SAYING ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CAN
WALK TO THOSE PLACES ARE
NOW
GOING TO BE DRIVING.
WE'RE ADDING TO THE DRIVING
AND
THE CONGESTION AND THE
POLLUTION
IN TOWN.
WE NEED TO GET OUT OF OUR
CARS,
AND THIS LOCATION IN NO WAY
SUPPORTS THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THE SPACE NEEDS
OF
THESE COMMUNITY
ORGANIZATIONS,
BUT THIS IS SIMPLY NOT THE
RIGHT
SOLUTION THE LONG-TERM HEALTH
OF
OUR COMMUNITY.
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THERE'S A CONCEPT CALLED
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THE
15-
MINUTE CITY.
WE HAVE A 15-MINUTE CITY
BECAUSE
THE THINGS ARE LOCATED
AT THE
CENTER OF OUR CITY.
MOST PEOPLE CAN WALK AND BIKE
TO
THE COMMUNITY CITIES IN 15
MINUTES.
THIS NEW LOCATION THAT'S NOT
GOING TO BE THE CASE.
THE MORE PEOPLE THAT LIVE
BEHIND
THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF LUCKY, AND
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO LEAVE NOW.
BUT A GREAT PORTION OF
PEOPLE
WALKING ARE NOT GOING TO BE
ABLE
TO.
AND THAT'S JUST GOING
TO ADD
MORE CARS TO OUR CITY
STREETS,
WHICH I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT
OF
COMPLAINTS ABOUT CONGESTION
ALREADY, AND THIS IS
NOT GOING
TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
THANK
YOU.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.
NEXT I WILL GO OUT TO ZOOM.
MICHAEL, CAN YOU UNMUTE
YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
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I CAN.
I'M TRYING TO FIND THE TIMER.
HANG ON ONE SECOND.
WHERE IS THE TIMER?
THERE IT IS.
OKAY, I GOT THE TIMER.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL, AND I'M
A
SOLE PROPRIETOR.
I'VE OWNED A BUSINESS ON MAIN
STREET FOR ABOUT 33 YEARS NOW.
IF THE CURRENT CITY HALL
LIBRARY
AND CITY PROPERTY IS BOUGHT BY A
HOUSING DEVELOPER, THAT'S
GOING
TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL LOSS OF
PARKING FOR RETAIL
BUSINESSES,
WHICH MEANS A LOSS OF SALES
TAX
REVENUE.
AND THERE IS NO
JOB
INFRASTRUCTURE TO EMPLOY THOSE
NEW RESIDENTS.
SO THAT WILL BE MORE
COMMUTE
TRAFFIC AND ADDITIONAL CLIMATE
CHANGE IMPACT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE -- I HEARD
ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS
SAY
THAT THERE WAS BUSINESS
OUTREACH
OR THAT THEY WERE REPRESENTING
THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
AND I JUST DON'T SEE THAT.
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IT KIND OF -- THIS REMINDS ME
EERILY OF THE NEXT TO
NONEXISTENT BUSINESS
OUTREACH
FOR THE MIXED USE
HOUSING
PROJECT ON THE BURNETT
STREET
MUNICIPAL PARKING LOT THAT
CAME
TO COUNCIL WHEN I WAS
ON THE
COUNCIL.
SO I THINK, HONESTLY, YOU
SHOULD
NOT WASTE ANYMORE TIME OF
STAFF
AND/OR THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY
AND
DENY THIS REQUEST.
THANK YOU.YOU, MICHAEL, FOR YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT.
NEXT I'LL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS.
HI, MY NAME IS JEN, AND
I'M
ONE OF THE OWNERSOWNERS A
BUSINESS
IN DOWNTOWN.
AND WHAT MAKES A DOWNTOWN FEEL
ALIVE IS
FOOT TRAFFIC.
THE STEADY FLOW OF PEOPLE
WITH A
REASON TO BE THERE.
THE SAME RESIDENTS WHO COME TO
RENEW A LIBRARY BOOK, VISIT
THE
SENIOR CENTER OR TAKE CARE
OF
SOMETHING AT CITY HALL ARE
THE
ONES THAT FILL
OUR SIDEWALKS.
THEY WALK INTO OUR SHOPS
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GIVE THE CITY A SENSE
OF
VIBRANCY.
TAKE THOSE EVERYDAY REASONS TO
BE HERE AWAY, AND YOU PULL
THE
ENERGY AND THE PEOPLE OUT OF
THE
HEART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU ALSO MAKE THESE
SERVICES
HARDER
TO REACH.
THE O'REILLY SITE IS A PLACE
FOR
MOST OF US TO GET TO ONLY
BY
CAR.
FOR SENIORS -- FOR STUDENTS, FOR
ANYONE WITHOUT
DEPENDABLE
TRANSPORTATION, MOVING
ESSENTIAL
SERVICES TO THE EDGE OF
TOWN
MEANS LONGER TRIPS AND
REAL
BARRIERS.
THAT CUTS AGAINST THE
WALKABLE
DOWNTOWN WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT.
IT ALSO CUTS AGAINST OUR
OWN
GENERAL PLAN.
GENERAL PLAN POLICY LU72
CALLS
FOR MAINTAINING DOWNTOWN AS
THE
FOCAL POINT FOR WEST COUNTY
COMMERCIAL, CIVIC, AND CULTURAL
USES.
AND ALSO COMMITS US TO A NETWORK
TO KEY DESTINATIONS WITHOUT
A
CAR.
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MOVING OUR CIVIC SERVICES TO A
CAR-DEPENDENT SITE DOES
THE
OPPOSITE OF WHAT OUR PLAN
ASKS
US TO DO.
CREATING
THE COMMONS IS A GREAT
IDEA, BUT I'M OPPOSED TO
MOVING
CITY HALL, THE LIBRARY,
AND
OTHER
CORE SERVICES OUT OF
DOWNTOWN TO THE
O'REILLY
BUILDING AND
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO
TRY TO FIND
LTERNATIVES.
THANK YOU, JEN, FOR
YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT.
NEXT I'LL GO OUT TO
ZOOM.
DIANE, CAN YOU UNMUTE
YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
DIANE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
I WILL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS
AND GO BACK OUT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN
CHAMBERS
THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
PUBLIC
COMMENT ON THIS
ITEM?
HI, MY NAME IS LINDA
WILLIAMS, AND I'M A MEMBER
OF
THE SEBASTOPOL SENIOR
CENTER,
WHICH HAS A THRIVING
SENIOR
PROGRAM.
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FOR THE PAST YEAR I'VE BEEN
PARTICIPATING IN TICHI AT
THE
SENIOR CENTER, A VERY
POPULAR
PROGRAM.
THEY DO NOT HAVE
ENOUGH
CLASSROOMS FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE
TOGETHER.
THERE ARE SO MANY STUDENTS
WE
HAVE TO MEET IN THIS VERY ROOM
FOR EVERYONE TO FIT,
AND THIS
ROOM IS CROWDED.
BUT THE YOUTH ANNEX IS NOT
THE
SENIOR CENTER.
THERE'S NO STAFF HERE TO
MONITOR
OR ASSIST IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.
THERE'S NO
SECURITY HERE.
THE SENIOR CENTER'S SUCCESS
HAS
CAUSED IT TO OUTGROW ITS
FACILITIES, AND I WOULD
ENCOURAGE THE TOWN COUNCIL
TO
FORMALLY EXPLORE THE
COMMONS
PROJECT TO ADDRESS THE GROWTH
OF
THE SENIOR CENTER AS WELL AS
A
LIBRARY SOLUTION, PARKING,
AND
THE CITY HALL.
ALL OF THESE COMMUNITY
PROGRAMS
DESERVE ADDITIONAL SPACE
AND
BETTER FACILITIES.
AND ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT
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COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE
TONIGHT
WOULD BE ANSWERED DURING THE
PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD
IN
YOUR EXPLORATION OF
THE
POTENTIAL SOLUTION.
THIS COMMUNITY DESERVES THIS
EXPLORATION.
THANK
YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.
NEXT I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM.
DIANE, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
YES.
I FIGURED IT OUT HOW TO DO
IT,
THANK
YOU.
CAN YOU SEE THE
TIMER?
I CAN'T, BUT I'M GOING TO
BE
VERY
BRIEF.
GO
AHEAD, PLEASE.
I'VE LIVED IN SEBASTOPOL,
HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 26 YEARS
NOW, AND I VOLUNTEER
AT THE
SENIOR CENTER, AND I WAS
ALSO
USING THE LIBRARY BEFORE
THEY
CLOSED DOWN.
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I CAN WALK DOWNTOWN.
I CAN ALSO WALK TO THE O'REILLY
BUILDING, AND I THINK RIGHT
NOW
THERE IS NO PLACE DOWNTOWN --
NO
POTENTIAL FOR THE SENIOR
CENTER
OR THE LIBRARY TO EXPAND IN
THE
REASONABLE FUTURE, FORESEEABLE
FUTURE, AND SO WE HAVE TO LOOK
AT ALL DIFFERENT
POSSIBILITIES,
AND I REALLY THINK THE
COMMITTEE
HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF
TRYING
TO FIND A SPACE FOR ALL THESE
ENTITIES
TO GROW.
AND I THINK GROWING TOGETHER AT
O'REILLY WOULD BE A GOOD
OPTION,
AND WE SHOULD, OF COURSE, PURSUE
THAT OPTION.
THANK
YOU.
THANK YOU, DIANE, FOR
YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT.
NEXT I WILL COME BACK
INTO
CHAMBERS.
IF THERE'S ANYONE IN CHAMBERS
THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC
COMMENT.
I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK.
MY NAME IS CAROLINE.
MY HUSBAND KENT WORKED ON
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COMMITTEE FOR THE COMMONS,
AND I
HAD A CHANCE TO OBSERVE SOME
OF
THE METHODS AND HOW MUCH
TIME
AND EFFORT THEY -- THE
ENTIRE
COMMITTEE PUT IN TO PUT THIS
TOGETHER.
SO I DO WISH PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO
BE -- WHAT DO YOU CALL --
ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACKS WOULD ASK
QUESTIONS WITH AN
OPEN MIND.
IT'S REALLY FRUSTRATING TO
SEE
THAT PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE
A
DECISION IN THEIR HEAD, AND
THEY
JUST WANT TO SAY NO TO IT.
AND THAT IS VERY FRUSTRATING
TO
WATCH.
SO JUST TO ANSWER A COUPLE
OF
THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME
UP,
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT 1% OF THE
PEOPLE WHO GO TO THETHE
LIBRARY WALK.
1%.
SO THERE ARE NUMBERS IN
CASE YOU
WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT CAME
FROM.
I THINK SOMEBODY CAN GIVE
YOU
THE SOURCE FOR THAT.
AND ALSO THE NUMBER 24 SHUTTLE
BUS, IT ALREADY STOPS AT
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O'REILLY MEDIAN.
SO JUST GET ON THE BUS AND
GO
ANOTHER MILE OR
TWO.
THE TOWN IS CHANGING.
THE AREA IS CHANGING.
LAWRENCE TALKED ABOUT
PEOPLE
WANTING A FASTER HORSE.
THE BEST TIME -- YOU KNOW THAT
SAYING, THE BEST TIME TO PLAN A
TREE IS 20 YEARS AGO, AND
THE
NEXT BEST TIME IS NOW.
SO IT'S TIME TO GROW.
IT'S TIME TO TAKE A
LITTLE RISK.
I KNOW IT MEANS MONEY,
AND I
KNOW PEOPLE ARE AFRAID
OF
SPENDING MORE MONEY BECAUSE
OF
HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN,
BUT ARE
YOU GOING TO LET THE WHOLE
CITY
BE HELD DOWN FOR THAT,
OR ARE
YOU GOING TO KEEP
GROWING?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.
NEXT I WILL GO OUT TO CHAMBERS.
CRAIG, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
CAN YOU HEAR
ME?
I CAN HEAR YOU.
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TIMER?
I CANNOT, BUT I SHOULD BE
LESS THAN THE TIME.
THANK YOU.
SO FIRST OFF THANK YOU,
EVERYBODY, FOR THE
DUE
DILIGENCE.
WE'RE SPENDING MONEY NOW.
WE'RE SPENDING CITY MONEY.
WE HAD THE COMMITTEE.
WE SPENT MONEY AND INVESTED
OUR
TIME AND EFFORT IN THAT.
I THINK IT'S WORTH
CONTINUING
THE
DUE DILIGENCE.
I REALLY
DO.
WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE LAND USE
ISSUES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LAND
USE CONSIDERATIONS.
THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, KIND
OF
THE USE OF WHAT'S GOING
TO
HAPPEN LIKE WHO'S GOING TO
BE
THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S THE
ACTUAL DUE
DILIGENCE.
SO WE'RE ALREADY HAVING
THIS
MEETING ON THE EDGE OF TOWN.
CITY HALL EFFECTIVELY IS ON
THE
EDGE OF TOWN, SO IT WOULD
BE
NICE TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS
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OUT.
AND I THINK IT'S WORTH A
LITTLE
BIT MORE INVESTMENT AFTER ALL
OF
THE EFFORT WE PUT IN IT TO SEE.
BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T PENCIL
OUT, IF WE DO THAT WORK AND
IT
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, WELL,
THEN
THAT'S IT.
IT'S DONE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY
ABOUT
THIS AND WE CAN MOVE ON.
BUT IF IT DOES LOOK LIKE
IT
PENCILS OUT, AND I SUSPECT IF WE
DO DUE THE DILIGENCE WE CAN
FIND
OUT WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY RENT
IT
OUT FOR, WHAT TYPE
OF
IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE MADE,
WE
PROBABLY COULD NEGOTIATE
BETTER
TACTICS, WHAT THE ACTUAL
BOTTOM
LINE VALUE OF THE FACILITY IT.
IT SHOULD PUT US IN A
MUCH
BETTER POSITION TO GO TO
THE
SELLER IF WE SEE WE WANT TO
GO
FORWARD.
IF THAT PENCILS OUT,
PERHAPS
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LAND
USE
CONSIDERATIONS A LITTLE
BIT
MORE.
WE KNOW THAT THE
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CENTER IS GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE.
IT JUST WILL.
IT WILL FLOOD AGAIN.
WE ALSO KNOW THERE'S A LOT
OF
TRAFFIC IN TOWN, AND WE KNOW
THAT THE LIBRARY AND
SENIOR
CENTER ARE
REGIONAL USES.
AND ON THE EDGE OF
TOWN THERE
ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE
OF
TOWN THAT COME RIGHT THERE,
SO
IT'S AN INTERESTING
CONSIDERATION, BUT I
THINK
BEFORE WE WORRY TOO MUCH
ABOUT
ALL OF THE LAND USES AND
CONSIDERATIONS AND WHO'S
GOING
TO BE WHERE, WE REALLY JUST
LOOK
AT WHAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE,
FIGURE
THAT OUT, GET OURSELVES IN
A
BETTER NEGOTIATING POSITION.
AND I DO AGREE THIS A
PIVOTAL
MOMENT AND AN OPPORTUNITY,
AND
I'D HATE TO SEE US THROW IT OUT
AT THE VERY END AFTER SUCH
HARD
WORK.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, CRAIG, FOR
YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT.
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CHAMBERS, IF THERE'S ANYONE
IN
CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE
A PUBLIC COMMENT.
SEEING NONE, I WILL GO BACK
OUT
TO ZOOM.
DENA, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF,
PLEASE?
I
CAN.
CAN YOU SEE THE TIMER?
I CAN'T, BUT I WON'T BE
LONG.
GO AHEAD,
PLEASE.
I WANT TO EXPRESS
MY
APPRECIATION FOR THE COMMITTEE.
SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN DOING
THIS
FOR OVER
FIVE YEARS.
I KNOW STEVEN HAS REALLY
BEEN
WORKING LIKE A SLAFBL ON
THIS
ONE.
AND WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS
AT
THIS POINT ALL THIS
WORK HAS
GONE FORWARD, AND THEY'VE
LOOKED
AT ALL KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES
DOWNTOWN, FOUND THERE
REALLY
WEREN'T GREAT OPPORTUNITIES
DOWNTOWN, HAVE FOUND
SOMETHING
THAT MIGHT BE WORKABLE, AND
I
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THAT
HAVE SAID LET'S MOVE FORWARD
AND
CHECK OUT THE LAST PIECES
OF
THIS
TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THIS
WORK IN OUR OWN LIFETIME.
SO I REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT THE
COMMITTEE, AND I HOPE IT WILL
GO
FORWARD.
THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
THANK YOU HAVE YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.
NEXT I WILL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS, IF THERE'S ANYONE
IN
CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE
TO MAKE
A PUBLIC COMMENT.
SEEING NONE, I WILL GO BACK
OUT
TO ZOOM.
IF THERE'S ANYONE ON ZOOM
THAT
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
PUBLIC
COMMENT TO PLEASE
RAISE YOUR
HAND VIRTUALLY.
SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT
IS
CLOSED ON THIS
ITEM.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
WE'RE BACK HERE.
COUNCIL
MEMBER ZOLLMAN FIRST.
THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.
AND WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE
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PRESENTATION, WE
DEFINITELY
WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ALL OF
THE
PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPENT SO MUCH
TIME, BLOOD, SWEAT, AND
ENERGY
WHICH WERE YOUR PRESENTERS
HERE
TONIGHT.
BUT I JUST DEFINITELY WANTED
TO
THANK THOSE MEMBERS.
THEY ARE
YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT.
IT WAS A LOT OF WORK.
SO I WANT TO THANK THEM, ALL
THE
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, AND
ALSO STAFF FOR THEIR PATIENCE
AS
WE WORK THROUGH
ALL THIS.
SO JUST WANT TO SAY THAT.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
DISCUSSIONS.
GO
AHEAD.
SO WE HEARD FROM
A LOT OF
MEMBERS FROM THE SENIOR CENTER.
I DON'T THINK WE HEARD
FROM
ANYBODY AT THE LIBRARY,
FROM
CRAIG
LITMAN.
HE'S REPRESENTING SOME OF
THE
SOCIAL SERVICE GROUPS, AND WE
DIDN'T HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY
CENTER.
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AND I'M WONDERING IF THE
COMMUNITY CENTER SPOKESPERSON
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
SOME
COMMENTS.
I KNOW YOU DID SEND A
LETTER,
BUT I'M JUST WONDERING
IF YOU
WANTED TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS,
IF
THAT WAS ALL RIGHT WITH
YOU.
SURE.
HELLO.
I AM FELINA CHONKA WITH
THE
SEBASTOPOL COMMUNITY CENTER,
AND
WE SUPPORT
FURTHER
INVESTIGATION, AS WE KNOW THAT
WE WILL NOT SURVIVE MUCH
LONGER
IN OUR CURRENT LOCATION.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO
SAY.
THANK
YOU.
ARE THERE
QUESTIONS?
DID ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION?
OKAY.
OTHER
THOUGHTS?
YEAH, IT WAS A QUESTION
THAT
SOMEBODY ASKED.
THEY SAID TO THE STAFF.
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SO IF WE COMMIT TO THE 40 OR
$50,000 IN STAFF
TIME, WHAT
AREN'T -- WHAT AREN'T THE
STAFF
GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO?
SO WHAT ARE WE TRADING FOR
THAT?
SO THE 40 TO $50,000 IS FOR
A
CONSULTANT TO COME IN AND
HELP
WITH THE DUE DILIGENCE.
SO WE WOULD BE DOING A SCOPE OF
WORK, AND WE WILL BE
SENDING
THAT OUT DEPENDING ON WHICH
WAY
GAEGS IF IT GETS APPROVED,
WE'LL
SEND A SCOPE OF WORK OUT TO
GET
PROPOSALS BACK TO SEE IF THAT
ESTIMATE IS A GOOD
ESTIMATE.
AND WON'T THAT HAVE
TO COME
BEFORE THE BUDGET
COMMITTEE
BEFORE IT'S APPROVED?
I MEAN, EVEN IF WE APPROVED
IT
TONIGHT WOULDN'T THAT HAVE
TO
COME BEFORE
THE BUDGET COMMITTEE
TO HAVE --
THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE
A
DECISION TONIGHT TO
BYPASS THAT
IF THEY WANTED TO, IF
THEY'RE
APPROVING AUTHORIZATION TO
GO
OUT FOR A SCOPE OF WORK FOR
THAT
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AMOUNT.
THAT WAS PART OF THE AGENDA
REPORT.
AND WHO WOULD THE CONSULTANT
BE?
WE DON'T KNOW.
WE WOULD HAVE TO SEND OUT --
SEND IT OUT LIKE WE DO WITH
ANY
OTHER CONSULTANTS.
WE DO AN INFORMAL SCOPE OF WORK.
WE SEND IT OUT TO CONSULTANTS
THAT WE THINK MAY BE WOULD
WANT
TO APPLY FOR THE WORK,
WOULD
WANT TO APPLY FOR
THE CONTRACT.
WE REVIEW THOSE
CONTRACTS AND
THEN WE BRING IT BACK TO
THE
CITY
COUNCIL.
WHAT KIND OF CONSULTANT WOULD
YOU BE SENDING OUT AN RFP FOR?
BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH
COMPLEXITY, YOU KNOW, THE
BUILDING, THE FINANCE,
ET
CETERA.
SO WHAT KIND OF
CONSULTANT WOULD
YOU BE LOOKING
FOR?
OUR UNDERSTANDING IS
THAT THE
SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE
DUE
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FINANCIAL
CONSULTANT.
THERE'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE
IN
THERE AS FAR AS THE PRELIMINARY
LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING.
CITY STAFF WOULD BE LOOKING AT
SOME OF THE EXTERIOR LIKE
THE
ROOFING AND THINGS LIKE
THAT
BASED ON CITY STAFF
EXPERTISE,
BUT THE FINANCIALS WAS WHAT --
AND IT'S
IN THE REPORT.
THE FINANCIAL CONSULTANT
WOULD
BE THE ONE THAT WOULD REVIEW THE
NUMBERS.
I HAVE A QUESTION
TO FOLLOW
UP WITH THAT HAVING BEEN ON
THE
FIRING COMMITTEE.
WHEN WE INITIALLY LOOKED AT
THE
BUILDING THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK
ABOUT, OH, IT'S ONLY
GOING TO
COST THIS.
AND WHEN WE ACTUALLY HIRED
THE
EXPERT TO COME IN, WE
LEARNED
THE COST WAS EXPONENTIAL.
SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO SETTLE
FOR SOMEONE -- A
FINANCIAL
PERSON LOOKING AT THE BUILDINGS?
IS THAT WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING?
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NO, I'M
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SAYING THE SCOPE --
THE
DUE DILIGENCE -- THERE'S
ULTIMATE ASPECTS BUT THE
SCOPE
OF WORK THAT IS KEY RIGHT NOW
IS
THE FINANCIAL PART OF IT.
SO THE SCOPE OF WORK WOULD
LOOK
AT THE NUMBERS, THE ESTIMATES
PROVIDED.
THEY WOULD DO THEIR DUE
DILIGENCE AND COME BACK IF
THE
FINANCIALS WORK OR DON'T
WORK.
ESTIMATES BUT
NOT APPRAISALS
OF THE BUILDING.
NO.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED
TO
DO
ANY APPRAISALS.
NO, NO, I'M JUST
SAYING
PUBLICLY THAT'S NOT --
THAT'S
NOT GOING TO BE IN THERE.
I JUST KNOW BASED ON
OUR
EXPERIENCE WITH THE
FIREHOUSE.
THE COMMITTEE CAN CORRECT
ME
IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT'S TO
REVIEW
THE
NUMBERS PRESENTED, IT'S TO
REVIEW THE OPTIONS.
IT'S TO HAVE INSTAFF TIME,
CITY
ATTORNEY TIME TO REVIEW
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LEGAL ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP.
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YOU KNOW, THE LEASE
STRUCTURES,
REVENUE STRUCTURES, WHAT THE
CITIES CAN AND CANNOT DO.
AND THEN THE FINANCIAL
CONSULTANT, AGAIN, WILL BE
REVIEWING IS IT A $1.75?
IS IT MORE OR LESS FOR A SQUARE
FOOT?
IT'S THE FINANCING OPTION,
SO IT
IS DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT
WAY.
GO
AHEAD.
WELL, I'M LOOKING AT
THE
STAFF REPORT AND IT SAYS THE
DUE
DILIGENCE IS TO AUTHORIZE
40 HOURS OF STAFF TIME,
TO
AUTHORIZE 10 HOURS OF
THE
ATTORNEY TIME, AND
THEN
AUTHORIZE STAFF TO SOLICIT
PROPOSALS.
SO MY QUESTION WAS WHAT
ARE
THOSE 40 -- WHAT ARE WE LOSING
HERE?
IF 40 HOURS OF STAFF TIME
IS
GOING TO THIS, WHAT IS IT
NOT
GOING
TO?
SO YOU COULD HAVE -- SO
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THE PUBLIC
WORKS DIRECTOR, SHE
WOULD BE WORKING WITH
HER
CONSTRUCTION EMPLOYEE WHO
COULD
GO UP AND
EVALUATE THE
BUILDINGS.
SO YOU COULD -- AND I
DON'T
HAVE -- I'M GOING TO
HAVE TO
DIRECT TO YOU I DON'T KNOW WHAT
HIS WORKLOAD IS RIGHT NOW, SO
IF
YOU
WANT TO DETERMINE WHAT -- I
THINK IT'S KEVIN AS TO WHAT HE
MAY NOT BE
DOING.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE
THOUGHT
THROUGH AN ESTIMATE OF
EXACTLY
HIS TIME IN THAT 40 HOURS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NUMBER
OF
CIP PROJECTS HE HELPS WITH
AND
ENCROACHMENT INSPECTIONS.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD
BE --
IT WOULD DELAY ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST BALANCING
WORK.
OKAY, THANK
YOU.
OTHER COMMENTS?
SORRY, GOT TO PUT MY GLASSES
BACK ON.
SORRY.
I DIDN'T
KNOW.
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POINT.
SO QUESTION.
WHAT WOULD BE A SMALLER
COMMITMENT RATHER THAN
GIVING,
YOU KNOW, 50 HOURS OF STAFF
TIME
AND 40 TO 50 HOURS FOR
A
CONSULTANT?
WHAT WOULD BE A SMALLER
STEP
THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN TAKE?
SO I DON'T KNOW THERE IS
A
SMALLER STEP.
I THINK THE STAFF TIMETIME
DO
NEED THAT AMOUNT OF STAFF
TIME
TO REALLY EVALUATE THIS.
WE DEFINITELY WOULD NEED
A
FINANCIAL CONSULTANT.
WE DO NOT HAVE THAT
EXPERTISE ON
STAFF TO REVIEW WHAT THOSE
FINANCES, WHAT THE LEASE
OPTIONS
WOULD BE.
WE HAVE THE LEGAL ON STAFF,
BUT
I THINK IT IS GOING TO TAKE
HOURS OF STAFF TIME TO REVIEW
THIS, SO I'M NOT SURE.
A SMALLER ASK.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING JUST AT THE
FINANCIALS AND NOTHING ELSE,
YEAH, I'M NOT -- BUT
THAT'S
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40 STILL
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-- I DO STILL THINK
THAT -- I'LL GO BACK TO
THE
PREVIOUS.
THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IT WAS A
$50,000 CONTRACT JUST TO
REVIEW
THE FINANCIALS.
SO, AGAIN, WITHOUT
KNOWING WHAT
THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO
BE, I
CAN'T SIT HERE AND TELL YOU
THAT
IT IS GOING TO BE $50,000.
I CAN TELL YOU WE WILL GO
OUT
AND DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE,
DO
THAT SCOPE OF WORK,
AND BRING
THAT BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
SO MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE
PROPOSAL THAT I SAW THE OTHER
NIGHT -- WE DIDN'T SEE
A
FINANCIAL PROPOSAL HERE, BUT
THE
ONE I SAW THE OTHER NIGHT AT
THE
O'REILLY BUILDING IT WAS
THAT
THE CITY BECOMES A LANDLORD
AND
IS RENTING OUT AT MARKET RATE TO
TENANTS.
AND BUT THAT -- IF I
UNDERSTAND
THE ATTORNEY CORRECTLY, WE'D
HAVE TO PAY OUTRIGHT FOR
THAT
BUILDING AND OWN IT
BEFORE WE
COULD DO THAT, SO TO ME
THE
FINANCIALS DON'T MAKE SENSE.
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SO IF WE JUST SAID,
OKAY, LET'S
LOOK JUST AT THE FINANCIAL
PIECE
TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY
FEASIBLE, THEN WHAT'S THAT --
IF
YOU JUST DID THAT SMALL STEP.
BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T DO
THE
FINANCES, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
BE
ABLE TO FIX ANY
BUILDING, ET
CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO IF YOU JUST DID THE
FINANCIAL
PIECE LOOKING AT HOW CAN THE
CITY ACTUALLY AFFORD
THIS,
CONSIDERING ALL THE COSTS, ET
CETERA, WE NEED, WHAT WOULD THAT
COST AT LOOKING AT GETTING
AN
ACCURATE EVALUATION OF
THE
FINANCIAL PROPOSAL THAT WAS
PRESENTED TO THE COMMONS AT
THE O'REILLY
BUILDING.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE
I
UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION
BECAUSE
WHAT I'M HEARING.
ARE YOU ASKING IS THIS 40 TO
$50,000 -- IS THAT TOO MUCH
FOR
A FINANCIAL, OR IS THAT
NOT
ENOUGH?
IF THE QUESTION WE WERE
FOCUSING
JUST DIRECTLY ON THE FINANCIALS?
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I'M GOING TO ASSUME IT'S 40 TO
50,000 BECAUSE I'M GOING BACK
ON
JUST RECENTLY AGAIN WHEN WE
DID
A FIRE ONE, JUST FOR
FINANCIAL
IT WAS $50,000.
MY UNDERSTANDING IF AN AD HOC APPROVED FOR THIS, THEY'D BE
DOING A LOT OF THE
OUTREACH,
WORKING ON THEIR DUE
DILIGENCE,
DOING MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH,
LOOKING TO SEE WHO WOULD
BE
TENANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS IS
40 TO $50,000 WAS TO DO
THE
FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.
AND THEN THERE WAS A LITTLE
BIT
IN THERE LIKE A FEW THOUSAND
FOR
A PRELIMINARY -- WHAT A
PRELIMINARY LAYOUT COULD
LOOK
LIKE ON THE INTERIOR OF THE
BUILDING.
COULD YOU REMIND
ME WHAT WE
PAID FOR THE APPRAISAL?
IT WAS ALSO --
I DO NOT HAVE
THAT.
IT WAS PRETTY HIGH, BUT --
WE DID HAVE THAT OFFERED FOR
ME.
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I'M SORRY?
WE HAVE CITIZENS
THAT
WOULD --
OH, WE DID THAT, TOO.
BUT ONCE WE ACTUALLY
HIRED AN
EXPERT AND DISCOVERED WHAT WE
DISCOVERED, WEERIZELOAD
THE
IMPORTANCE OF HAVING EXPERTS
DO
IT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF RET ROW
FITTING, AND YEAH, IT ENDED
UP
BEING A LOT MORE THAN ANY OF
US
THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BASED
ON
FRIENDS LOOK AT IT.
SO JUST SAYING.
COUNCIL
MEMBER HINTON.
YEAH.
I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS.
I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF ROLL
A
FEW OF THEM OUT HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CLARIFY
THE EIFD.
I WORKED ON THAT FOR MANY
YEARS,
MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE.
THE EIFD IS A LONG-RANGE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE
IT
IMPLEMENTED AT LEAST TEN
YEARS
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BEFORE WE COULD BORROW
AGAINST
IT.
SO THE EIFD IS NOT IN
OUR
IMMEDIATE FUTURE.
SO SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP,
WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT'S
A
REALITY OF THE EIFD, OKAY?
I ALSO -- ONE OF THE
FIRST
QUESTIONS I SAID WAS WHERE
IS
OUR SUPERVISOR?
A LOT OF TIMES SUPERVISORS CAN
GIVE THEIR DISTRICTS PROJECT
MONEY, I THINK THAT WE NEED
ALL
THE STAKEHOLDERS AT THE TABLE.
IT'S A LITTLE FRUSTRATING
TO
HAVE AN ASK FOR 40 TO
50K WHEN
WE'RE STILL IN A
FISCAL
EMERGENCY AND IT'S NOT
CURRENTLY
BUDGETED.
AND THE CITY'S EXPECTED
TO PONY
UP THE WHOLE AMOUNT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET FOR
IT
RIGHT NOW.
SO TO SKIP
THAT PROCESS DOESN'T
FEEL RESPONSIBLE RIGHT NOW
WHEN
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF
WE'RE
GOING TO GET OUR HOTEL
BUILT,
THE CITY'S GOING TO BE
BROKE IN
THREE
YEARS, IF THAT HOTEL
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I'M LIKE A MONEY PERSON.
I'M FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE,
AND
I'VE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME.
I PLAN MY KIDS TO LIVE HERE
A
LONG TIME.
I'M HOPING THAT
THEY STAY.
I'M LOOKING AT 50 YEARS DOWN
THE
ROAD, 30 YEARS DOWN
THE ROAD.
I'M NOT LOOKING TO TOMORROW OR
WRITING A CHECK.
IF I HAD AN OPEN
POCKETBOOK, IT
WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
IF THE CITY WAS IN A
GREAT
FINANCIAL POSITION, IT
ALL
SOUNDS GREAT AND SUPER
EXCITING,
AND AS POINTED OUT TONIGHT
LOTS
OF CITIES ARE IN THE SAME BOAT.
WE JUST SAW CITY OF SANTA
ROSA
MAKING A DEAL, RIGHT, TO TRY
AND
MOVE INTO A BUILDING AND BLAH,
BLAH, BLAH.
ALSO MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I'VE SAT
HERE ON THE DAIS, BUT I NEED
TO
POINT OUT WE MAY NEED TO HAVE A
CHANGING OF THE GUARD COMING UP.
WE ARE IN AN ELECTION CYCLE, AND
2016 COUNCIL PURCHASED A PARK
AND PURCHASED FOR INTEREST FOR
A
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19 MILLION SIX, WHICH WE OWN
IT
TODAY.
WE'VE OWNED IT FOR ABOUT
YEARS AND SPENT 80 TO 900,000 TO
MAINTAIN THAT PARK AND THAT
WAS
ANOTHER MILLION AND SIX.
THAT WAS A DECISION MADE BY
THE
COUNCIL AT THE TIME THAT PUT
US
IN THE LANDLORD BUSINESS.
WE ALSO INVESTED I
BELIEVE IT
WAS $100 MILLION AND IT
WAS
REFERRED TO BY A COUNCIL
MEMBER
TONIGHT AND THAT WAS MICHAEL CAR
NACI AND WE SPENT IN CONSULTANT
FEES $116,000.
AND WHEN THE WILL OF ON
THAT
PROJECT CHANGED,
AND THOSE
CONSULTANT FEES WERE OUT
THE
DOOR AND THE PROJECT WAS
NEVER
BUILT.
SO I FEEL REALLY LIKE I
WANT TO
PUMP THIS DECISION TO
THE
MIDYEAR REVIEW, WHICH IS OUR
POLICY AND HAVE THE
BUDGET
COMMITTEE REVIEW IT TO SEE IF
WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE ENOUGH
MONEY
TO FUND THIS ADDITIONAL ASK.
SO THAT'S NOT SAYING NO, BUT
IT'S ALSO NOT SAYING RIGHT NOW.
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THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING
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FROM,
AND IT'S JUST A COMBINATION
OF
THE PAST AND THE THINGS THAT
THE
CITY HAS PAID FOR THAT WE
PAID
ON CONSULTANT FEES.
AND I HATE PROJECTS THAT WE
PAY
FOR THAT JUST GO ON THE SHELF.
AND I'M REALLY NOT SURE WE
CAN
AFFORD IT, AND I DON'T KNOW --
I
MEAN, IT ALL SOUNDS GREAT, YEAH.
LET'S WRITE A CHECK AND VET IT
OUT AND I APPRECIATE ALL
THE
WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE.
BUT I THINK THAT WRITING THE
CHECK SHOULD BE PUSHED OUT
TO
THE MID-YEAR BUDGET
REVIEW,
WHICH IS OUR .
IT'S NOT LIKE THAT'S A
SURPRISE
DECISION.
WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT MID-YEAR
REVIEW.
AND AS PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS
KNOW SITTING ON THE DAIS AND
IN
THE ROOM, THAT THAT'S WHEN WE
DECIDE, OKAY, WE'VE
COLLECTED
MORE MONEY
THAN WE THOUGHT OR WE
SAVED SOME MONEY,
AND WE FEEL
LIKE WE CAN ADD EXTRA
PROJECTS
AT THAT TIME, EXTRA
POSITIONS,
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SO THAT'S A DIRECTION TO
STAFF
THAT I WOULD SUPPORT
TONIGHT,
AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE
MY
COLLEAGUES ON THIS.
BUT THAT'S MY
COMMENT.
OKAY.
WELL, I'LL WEIGH IN.
JUST A COUPLE POINTS.
DAVIS HAS A $95.1 MILLION
BUDGET.
AND MIDDLE TOWN'S
FACILITY IT
WAS PAID BY THE COUNTY AND
THE
INDIAN GAMING STATE AND
FEDERAL
GRANTS.
SO I WAS JUST CURE YG
BECAUSE
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT
HOW TO GET TO YES
ESPECIALLY
WHEN WE SIT HERE AND
TALK ABOUT
BEING IN A FISCAL EMERGENCY.
AND I JUST WALKED THIS WEEKEND,
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT ALL
THE
DOORS I KNOCKED ON NOT ONE
PERSON WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
THEY ASKED ME WHAT THE HELL ARE
YOU DOING?
WE'RE IN A FISCAL
EMERGENCY.
WE PASSED THIS TAX MAJOR AND
NOW
YOU HAVE THIS PIE IN THE
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IDEA.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS I
HEARD
FROM CITIZENS.
I DID NOT HAVE
ONE PERSON THAT
ACTUALLY SUPPORTED IT.
I'M JUST SAYING THOSE ARE
THE
FACTS.
AS I TALK TO PEOPLE, MORE
PEOPLE
ARE WORRYING ABOUT
WHAT'S
HAPPENING WITH OUR WATER AND
THE
LACK OF FUNDING FOR
THAT AND
ALSO OUR BUMPY ROADS.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS JUST IN
MY, YOU KNOW, ANECDOTAL BUT
IN
MY DISCUSSIONS THIS WEEKEND.
AND I DID ATTEND THE TOWN
HALL,
THE MOST RECENT ONE, AND IT'S
A
LOVELY BUILDING.
I MEAN, IT'S A REALLY
GREAT
IDEA.
IT'S -- YOU KNOW, IT'S
BEAUTIFUL.
I MEAN, WHO WOULDN'T WANT THAT.
BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS, AND
I'VE
PUT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME IN ALL
OF THIS RESEARCHING IT
AND
ASKING LOTS
OF QUESTIONS.
AND I MEAN, I HAVE PUT A LOT
OF
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IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, ON
A
LIMB HERE.
AND I ACTUALLY MADE A LONG
LIST
OF THOUGHTS BECAUSE I WANTED
TO
BE VERY CLEAR AND COMMUNICATE TO
PEOPLE THE CONCERNS
I HAVE SO
THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE
I'M
COMING FROM.
YOU KNOW, I JUST GRAPPLE
WITH
THE IDEA THAT IT'S
THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY
AND
OUR TAXPAYERS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 2,500
PEOPLE
HERE TO PROVIDE THESE FACILITIES
FOR THE NONPROFITS AND THE
LIBRARY.
WHERE'S THE FUNDING FOR
THE
COUNTY?
I SAW THE HEAT MAP AND
I
SUSPECTED MANY OF THE PEOPLE
WHO
GO TO THE SENIOR CENTER ARE
FROM
THE COUNTY, AND THAT'S
A
QUESTION THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE
ASK ME.
IT'S NOT AN US AND THEM,
BUT
IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT
THERE'S
ONLY 7,500 PEOPLE HERE IN TOTAL.
3,300 HOMES PAYING TAXES
HERE,
AND SHOULD THE CITIZENS
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HERE IN THIS CITY BE
RESPONSIBLE
FOR PAYING FOR ALL THE
SERVICES
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT
ACTUALLY
PAYING INTO THAT?
I MEAN, IT'S JUST A FACT.
IT'S JUST THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH
TO GO AROUND.
AND PEOPLE ARE
FEELING, YOU
KNOW, THEY PASS THE TAX
MEASURE
FOR US AND EVERYONE IS
PAYING
THAT BECAUSE IF YOU SHOP
HERE
YOU'RE PAYING IT.
BUT IT'S STILL -- YOU KNOW,
I
LISTEN PEOPLE TALK TO ME
ABOUT
THE FIRE.
SOME PEOPLE ARE VERY HAPPY,
MOST
PEOPLE.
I HAD SOMEONE WHO WASN'T HAPPY
ABOUT PAYING
$265 A YEAR.
THAT'S ANOTHER COST PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN PAYING.
I PERSONALLY AM
VERY CONCERNED
ABOUT THE RISK OF
DESTABILIZING
OUR CITY FINANCES.
EVEN SPENDING THIS MONEY, I
MEAN
WE'RE GETTING GRIEF
FOR
APPROVING CREDIT FOR
NOT
CHARGING $5,000.
WE'VE BEEN UP HERE AT THE
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FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS
ARGUING OVER WHETHER WE
SHOULD
SPEND -- ALLOW $500 OR
A
THOUSAND DOLLARS HERE AND
THERE
FOR NONPROFITS.
WE ACTUALLY WANT TO CUT BACK
FOR
SUPPORTING NONPROFITS IN EVERY
WAY, AND JUST TO GET US WHERE
WE
ARE, I MEAN WE FINALLY
HAVE
GOTTEN OURSELVES TO A PLACE
BUT
WE HAVE A ANOTHER RISKY PROJECT
WHICH IS ST. VINCENT DE
PAUL,
WHICH WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR A
FISCAL EMERGENCY.
I'M CONCERNED WITH MOVING
IT
FROM DOWNTOWN.
THAT IS A CONCERN I
HAD SOME
PEOPLE COMMUNICATING TO
ME,
AGAIN.
ISN'T ONE OF THE PRIORITIES
OF
THE CITY THAT WE ALL -- WE
ALL
AGREE TO OUR
GOALS, AND THE
FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT IN
OUR
SURVEYS WAS THE VITALITY
OF
DOWNTOWN AS A PRIORITY.
AND SO NOW WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT
MOVING IT FROM DOWNTOWN, SO
SOME
PEOPLE THAT I HEARD
FROM SAID
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IT'S VERY HYPOCRITICAL.
LIKE HOW CAN WE
SAY WE'RE
CONCERNED ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN BUT
WE WANT TO MOVE IT OUT
TO
O'REILLY.
WHEN I WAS AT THE PRESENTATION
HEARD PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN
WEST
COUNTY THEY'RE ALL DRIVING HERE.
AND I JUST THOUGHT A LITTLE
BIT,
LIKE, WE'RE ALL ELECTED
TO
REPRESENT 7,500 PEOPLE HERE,
AND
ALL I
HEARD WAS SOMEBODY WHO WAS
COMING OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY
HERE
AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD
BE
CONCERNED WITH THAT.
I JUST DIDN'T HEAR A LOT
OF
CONCERN WITH OUR CITY
FOLKS IN
THAT PRESENTATION, AND I GOT
A
LITTLE DISAPPOINTED WITH
THAT.
LET'S SEE, I'M SORRY.
I LOST MY PLACE HERE.
I PERSONALLY AM CONCERNED
ABOUT
THE CITY BEING IN THE
MIDDLE OF
A MONEY COLLECTING LANDLORD AND
RENTALS.
I HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
THAT
IN THE
LAST COUPLE OF DAYS AND
HOW DO WE DO THIS.
IF THERE'S LIMITATIONS
WHAT
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WITH THAT?
I'M REALLY IMPRESSED.
YOUR 990 SHOWS YOUR REVENUE IN
2025 WAS 1.
2 MILLION.
THAT'S AMAZING.
IT REALLY IS.
SO I HAVE TO SAY I HAVE
FAITH
THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT
WE
DECIDE HERE.
YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN
FUND-RAISING, AND I
TRULY
BELIEVE YOU WILL FIND ANOTHER
SPACE, AND I
JUST WANT TO GIVE
YOU KUDOS FOR THAT.
BECAUSE AS A NON-PROFIT
LEADER
MYSELF I KNOW HOW HARD THAT
IS,
SO I WAS REALLY -- I MEAN I WAS
LIKE WOW.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T
FIGURE OUT AGAIN WHY SOME
7,500
RESIDENTS HERE, 3,300
HOUSES
REALLY NEED TO SHOULDER ALL
OF
THIS.
AND I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT
MOVING,
YOU KNOW, OUT
OF DOWNTOWN.
AND I KNOW THAT
A COLLEAGUE
WANTS TO PUSH IT.
I PERSONALLY AM NOT
SUPPORTIVE
OF THIS IN GENERAL.
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IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND
I
UNDERSTAND GETTING
BETTER
FACILITIES, AND WE ALL
WANT
THAT.
BUT I CAN'T SEE HOW WE CAN
DO
THAT WHEN WE HAVE
BEEN
STRUGGLING WITH GETTING
OURSELVES FINANCIALLY STABLE
AGAIN.
I THINK RIGHT NOW LOOKING
AT
THIS POINT AND EVERYTHING WE
ASKED ALREADY OUR RESIDENTS
TO
FUND SO WE CAN ACTUALLY
BALANCE
THE BUDGET.
AND, LOOK, EVEN A YEAR AND
WE
COULDN'T GET APPROVED FOR OUR
FINANCIAL
SITUATION.
WE COULDN'T EVEN GET A WELL TO
-- GET A LOAN TO REPLACE
A
WELL.
SO THAT ALONE IS CONCERNING
TO
ME.
I PERSONALLY RIGHT NOW -- I
KNOW
YOU ALL DID A TON OF WORK, AND
I
RESPECT IT.
I WOULD LOVE A NEW
BUILDING,
TOO.
I WOULD LOVE THE COMMUNITY
CENTER TO BE IN A BETTER PLACE.
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I AM TIRED OF PICKING UP
THAT
FLOOR AND MOVING IT OUT OF
THE
WAY OF THE WATER.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN
THERE
AND DONE ALL OF THAT.
I WAS JUST THERE THIS
WEEKEND
WITH THE EMERGENCY
PREPAREDNESS
GROUP WORKING WITH THE
SENIORS
ON THAT, SO I'M REALLY SORRY.
I KNOW YOU'VE PUT A TON OF TIME
IN.
I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE
I'M COMING FROM WITH
THIS, BUT
AT THIS TIME I FEEL IT'S
MY
RESPONSIBILITY TO BE
RESPONSIBLE
RIGHT NOW AND TO ME
THAT'S
LIVING WITHIN OUR MEANS
AND
DEALING WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT
NOW
UNTIL WE CAN GET TO A
BETTER
PLACE.
MIND YOU, I EVEN
WENT SO FAR TO
MEET WITH AN
AIDE FROM SENATOR
SCHIFF RECOMMENDING THAT WE BE
QUALIFIED FOR A FEDERAL LOAN.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO DO
THAT, BUT THERE'S JUST
NO
GUARANTEES WITH ALL OF
THESE
THINGS.
I MEAN, SERIOUSLY A
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HALF AGO WE COULDN'T EVEN
GET
ONE.
ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE
LISTENING,
BUT I WANTED
TO EXPLAIN TO
EVERYBODY IN A CLEAR
MATTER
WHERE I'M AT AND SO YOU COULD
UNDERSTAND
WHY.
OKAY.
FIRSTLY, I AM SUPER
IMPRESSED
WITH THE WORK THAT
EVERYONE'S
BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST
YEAR,
AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE GRACE
THAT EVERYBODY'S HAD AS
WE'VE
COME OUT WATCHING -- YOU KNOW,
WE WERE MAKING THE SAUSAGE.
IT'S NOT PRETTY WHEN
IT'S
GETTING MADE.
IT'S NOW OUT OF THE BAG,
AND NOW
IT'S TIME FOR THE WHOLE
ENTIRE
CITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS,
AND
SO I'M SUPER GRATEFUL FOR ALL
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW TAKING
A
LOOK AT IT.
HAVING AN OPEN MIND AND
SEEING
WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES OF
A
LIBRARY SPACE COULD BE.
I'VE GROWN UP LIKE IN
OTHER
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EVEN SMALLER PLACES.
THIS ONE'S SUPER WELL-LOVED.
AND WHAT I MENTIONED AT THE
LAST
PRESENTATION WAS, LIKE,
THE
LIBRARY WAS MAXED OUT LIKE 98%.
IT'S LIKE A FISH IN
A FISHBOWL.
IF YOU GET A BIGGER BOWL,
THE
FISH IS GOING TO FILL IT
OUT,
AND IT WILL
BE WELL-LOVED.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS
THAT
I FEEL LIKE I'M HEARING YOU
NOW
IS PHYSICAL
RESPONSIBILITY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HONOR THAT.
AND WHAT I THINK
THAT I THINK
MAYBE RIGHT NEXT STEPS ARE
TO
FORM AN AD HOC SO THAT WE
CAN
ADDRESS THE COUNTY MONEY ISSUE.
WHAT THEIR CONTRIBUTION CAN
BE,
WE CAN ADDRESS WHO THE TENANTS
MIGHT BE, AND JUST HAVE
THIS
ABILITY TO RESEARCH FURTHER
TO
MAKE SURE EVEN MORE OF THE
DUCKS
ARE IN A ROW SO THAT
THESE
QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED, SO
THAT
WE'RE GOING TO -- LIKE I HELD
A
WORKSHOP AT SAINT STEVENS
AND
WAS ABLE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT
THE
RESIDENCES IN THE -- YOU
KNOW,
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WITH KIDS LIKE MINE WHO
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LIVE
NEAR THE LIBRARY AND
WHAT THEY
WOULD ACTUALLY MISS, AND
WHAT
KIND OF THIRD PLACES ARE REALLY
IMPORTANT
TO THEM.
ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS
I'M
CONCERNED ABOUT IS ARE
THE
BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN?
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT
ABOUT WHEN WE WERE OVERTURNING A
BUNCH OF ROCKS.
AND PLEASE NOTE WE TRIED TO
TURN
OVER EVERY SINGLE ROCK
THERE
WAS.
LIKE EVERY SINGLE BUILDING IN
THIS ENTIRE TOWN WE LOOKED AT
BEFORE WE GOT TO THE
O'REILLY
BUILDING REALLY.
AND I CAME TO THE
CONCLUSION
NOTHING WAS AVAILABLE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER
LIBRARY, IF WE'RE GOING
TO, YOU
KNOW, IMPROVE IT, IF WE'RE
GOING
TO DO ANYTHING,
WE'RE PRETTY
MUCH GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE TO
A
DIFFERENT BUILDING, AND
THE ONLY
ONE AVAILABLE IS THE
O'REILLY
BUILDINGS.
IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD ONTO
THIS
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PARTICULAR LIBRARY WE HAVE
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AND
KEEP IT ON THE CITY CENTER, IT
MAY NOT EVEN HAPPY.
I'M ALMOST SURE THAT ADDING
IT
ON OR IMPROVING IT OR EVEN A
REMODEL WHICH WOULD COST $5
MILLION, BECAUSE IT
INSTANTLY
WOULD CAUSE LIKE SEISMIC
REVIEW
AND ENGINEERING REVIEWS.
WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO LOSE
PART
OF THE COMMONS IMMEDIATELY
WHEN
THE SENIOR CENTER FINDS
ANOTHER
PLACE.
YOU GUYS HAVE TO GROW, AND
WE'LL
FIGURE THAT OUT ONE WAY OR
THE
OTHER.
BUT IF WE DON'T MOVE
TOGETHER,
THEN IT'S JUST A LIBRARY ON
ITS
OWN.
AND PRETTY MUCH THE DOWNTOWN
HAS
LOST A BIG CHUNK OF ITS
CIVIC
CORE THAT WE'RE ALL
MISSING
ANYWAY.
SO IF WE CAN MOVE THEM ALL
TOGETHER,
THEN WE HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE
A
DIFFERENT TYPE OF ECONOMY RIGHT
DOWNTOWN, AND ALL OF THIS
GOES
WITH OUR GREEN AND
OUR
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SUSTAINABILITY PROMISES AND
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OUR
VITALITY DOWNTOWN.
IT COULD ACTUALLY
BRING, YOU
KNOW, A HUNDRED OR 200 MORE
RESIDENTS STRAIGHT UP DOWNTOWN
WHO ARE THERE FOR 24 HOURS A
DAY
AND CAN GO GET COFFEE, CAN
GO
GET BOOKS, CAN GO GET
RESTAURANTS.
WHEREAS RIGHT NOW IF YOU GO
TO
MANY OTHER CITIES, THE
LIBRARY
IN
THE BUSINESS DISTRICT ARE THE
ONES THAT SHUTDOWN.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ONLY
AVAILABLE
A COUPLE, A
FEW HOURS.
AND REALLY THEY'RE
NOT
CONTRIBUTING TO THE DOWNTOWN
LIKE YOU -- LIKE THEY MIGHT BE.
FORTUNATELY, YOU
KNOW, I HAVE
DONE SOME BUSINESS OUTREACH
AND
SOME OF THE BUSINESSES HAVE
SAID
WHETHER OR NOT THEY FELT
THE
IMPACT OF THE LIBRARY BEING
CLOSE, AND THIS IS AN
AMAZING,
YOU KNOW, POINT FOR A CASE
STUDY
BECAUSE WE'RE ISOLATING WHAT
THE
LIBRARY'S IMPACT ACTUALLY IS
ON
BUSINESSES.
SUPER INTERESTING.
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SO, LIKE, TO WIND THIS ALL
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BACK
QUICKLY SO I DON'T JUST
REHASH
THE PAST, THREE MONTHS OF --
TRYING TO EXPLAIN HOW WE GOT
TO
THE O'REILLY BUILDING, I
JUST
WANT TO SAY HAVING
THE
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE
AN AD HOC
WHICH COSTS THE CITY NOTHING --
YOU KNOW, NOT NOTHING, YOU
KNOW,
MAYBE LIKE TEN HOURS OF STAFF
TIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OVER
THE NEXT COUPLE OF
MONTHS, WE
COULD REALLY GET TO THE
PLACE
WHERE WE HAD A BETTER IDEA ABOUT
WHAT GRANTS LOOK LIKE.
WE COULD STILL
LOOK LIKE
DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES
IF
THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL'S WILL
IS, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY
TRY
TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND
HOW
THE EFID IMPACT WHICH I THOUGHT
WOULD BE IN YEAR TEN OR
YEARYEAR
EIGHT IN THE FINANCIAL MODEL
ANYWAY, WE CAN UNDERSTAND
ABOUT
COUNTRY CONTRIBUTIONS
IN A
DIFFERENT WAY OR THE GAPA'S
CONTRIBUTIONS IN A
DIFFERENT
WAY.
OTHERWISE, IF WE KICK THE
BALL
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TOO HARD WE'RE NEVER GOING
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TO
BUILD
ANOTHER LIBRARY.
LIKE THIS IS
THE MOMENT.
WHEN O'REILLY CHANGES, LIKE
IF
WE KICK THIS DOWN AND
O'REILLY
MOVES ON, THEN WE'RE FORCED INTO
A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE TO
BUILD
ON THAT ONE PARTICULAR PLACE
OF
LAND, AND THEN WE'RE
DEFINITELY
INTO A 30 TO $40
MILLION
PROJECT.
EVEN IF WE WON OUT, IT'S
GOING
TO BE $10 MILLION THEN IT WON'T.
MAYBE SEVEN.
BUT WITH A FEW MORE YEARS WITH
INFLATION AS IT IS, IT'S
DEFINITELY GOING TO BE
$10
MILLION JUST TO ADD ON A SMALL
LITTLE PORTION.
AND YOU'RE NOT STILL NOT
BEAUTIFYING THAT PLACE AND
STILL
NOT MAKING SEBASTOPOL A WANT TO
BE DESTINATION.
WHEREAS IF YOU DID COME TO
THE
O'REILLY BUILDING, AND
I, YOU
KNOW, RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE THAT
IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A
TRANSPORTATION CRISIS
BECAUSE I
THINK A LOT OF THE PEOPLE
THAT
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ACTUALLY DO LIVE UP THERE,
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AND
IT'S VERY BIKABLE ON THE WEST
COUNTY LINE, BUT IT DOES
TAKE
AWAY THE HEART, AND THAT'S NOT
WANTED.
YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS TO
TAKE
AWAY THE HEART OF THE CITY
AND
MOVE IT UP THERE.
SO I JUST -- I JUST WANT
TO, YOU
KNOW, PROPOSE THAT WE KNOCK
THIS
BACK TO, YOU KNOW, AN AD HOC
FOR
THE
MOMENT.
COUNCIL MEMBER
HINTON.
I'D BE WILLING TO GIVE
STAFF
DIRECTION TO CONSIDER AN AD HOC
IN DECEMBER, AND THEN THEY
WOULD
WORK TOWARDS INSTEAD OF
THIS
PLAN OF $18 MILLION, WHICH IS ON
SLIDE -- IT LOOKS LIKE PAGE 16.
THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE
ONE-BUILDING OPTION
WE HEARD
ABOUT TONIGHT OF $8 MILLION.
AND THEN THEY WOULD BRING IT
TO
THE BUDGET MIDYEAR SUBCOMMITTEE
FOR CONSIDERATION
AND
RECOMMENDATION.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M
WILLING TO
PROPOSE TONIGHT, AND I
DON'T
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KNOW IF I CAN DO THAT IN FORM
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OF
A
MOTION.
I HAVEN'T MADE ANY COMMENTS
YET SO --
NO,
I WANT YOU TO, AND THEN I
HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO, SO
GO
AHEAD.
WE
HAVE TIME.
I THINK
THIS IS REALLY
CHALLENGING BECAUSE
WE HAVE, YOU
KNOW, A BLUE RIBBON
COMMITTEE
HERE THAT HAS BEEN WANTING
TO
PUT TOGETHER THIS COMMONS FOR --
FOR OUR SENIOR CENTER AND
THE
LIBRARY AND THE
COMMUNITY
CENTER.
AND YOU'VE WORKED ON THIS
FOR A
FULL YEAR.
AND YOU'VE
LANDED ON -- THE LAST
TIME YOU WERE HERE WAS JULY
7th.
AND AT THAT MEETING YOU
HAD TWO
POSSIBLE LOCATIONS.
ONE WAS DOWNTOWN, AND THE
OTHER
WAS THE O'REILLY BUILDING.
AND THERE WASN'T A FINANCIAL
PROPOSAL.
SO WHAT WE WERE TOLD AT
THAT
TIME IS YOU WOULD COME BACK
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IN
SEPTEMBER -- SO THE
ATTORNEY
SAID THE COMMITTEE WILL
COME
BACK IN SEPTEMBER TO MAKE
A
FORMAL RECOMMENDATION.
BUT INSTEAD WHAT HAPPENED IS
THE
COMMITTEE DECIDED ON JULY 14
th
TO CHOOSE ONE LOCATION AND THEN
START HOLDING TOWN HALLS TO
SOLICIT SUPPORT FOR THAT
ONE
LOCATION.
AND FOR ME THAT WAS VERY
UPSETTING BECAUSE IT CREATED
A
LOT OF UNNECESSARY DIVISION, I
THINK, IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I'M GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SET
THAT ASIDE.
I ALSO THINK THAT YOU
DIDN'T
REALLY LOOK AT THE IDEA OF
AN
ADDITION NEXT TO THE
LIBRARY,
AND THAT COULD BE A COUPLE
STORY
ADDITION THERE THAT COULD
SERVE
THE SENIOR CENTER.
IT COULD SERVE CITY HALL IN SOME
WAY, AND THAT WAS
NEVER
INVESTIGATED.
AND ALL WE WERE TOLD WAS,
WELL,
THAT'S TOO EXPENSIVE SO WE
CAN'T
DO THAT.
SO I LIKE TO KEEP THE
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OPTIONS STILL OPEN AND NOT LAND
ON ANYTHING.
I ALSO FEEL REALLY
STRONGLY
ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN CORE.
AND TO ME THESE -- THE
BUILDINGS
ARE BEAUTIFUL, BUT THEY DO
NEED
A LOT OF WORK, AND THEY'RE
WAY
BIGGER THAN I THINK WHAT
WE
NEED.
AND I THINK IT WOULD
PROBABLY
END UP BIFURCATING OUR
TOWN,
CREATING A NORTH PART
OF TOWN
AND THE CENTER OF TOWN, AND THE
EAST PART OF TOWN.
AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF
KEEPING
THE HEART OF TOWN, AND
THE
LIBRARY IS CENTRAL TO THE HEART
OF TOWN AND THE SENIOR CENTER.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE
BURSTING
AT THE SEAMS, AND IT'S
WONDERFUL
BECAUSE YOU'RE SO SUCCESSFUL.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE
WEST
COUNTY RESIDENTS.
I'M GRATEFUL.
SEBASTOPOL'S AMAZING
AND
WONDERFUL BECAUSE OF THE WEST
COUNTY.
WE COULD NEVER HAVE AS
MANY
RESTAURANTS AS WE DO OR
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OF SERVICES, AS GREAT OF AN
ARTS
CENTER, A SENIOR CENTER,
COMMUNITY CENTER.
ALL THESE SERVICES ARE
GREAT
BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE
SURROUNDING -- 50,000
PEOPLE
SURROUNDING US THAT ARE USING
IT, SO I HAVE A LOT
OF
APPRECIATION
FOR THE WEST COUNTY
RESIDENTS FOR THAT REASON
BECAUSE THEY MAKE OUR TOWN
REALLY GREAT.
SO WE HAVE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOK AT AN
$850,000 DEFICIT FOR THIS
YEAR.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, OKAY, WE'LL
GIVE YOU 50,000 AND A BUNCH
OF
MORE STAFF TIME.
I JUST CAN'T -- I CAN'T DO THAT.
NOT
NOW.
I WOULD CONSIDER
JOINING COUNCIL
MEMBER HINTON WITH THE IDEA OF
TAKING A MIDYEAR BUDGET
REVIEW,
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE
DOWNTOWN PROPERTY BE BACK IN THE
CONVERSATION TO SEE IF
ANYTHING
COULD BE FEASIBLE.
IF YOU COULD DO -- YOU COULD DO
PARKING UNDERNEATH AND MAYBE
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OR THREE STORIES UP IT COULD
BE
A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AS AN ANNEX
TO -- YOU KNOW, AN ADDITION
TO
THE MAIN LIBRARY THERE
THAT
COULD INCLUDE THE NEEDS OF
SENIORS.
AND I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD
WORK
FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT
IT
COULD HELP WITH CITY HALL.
BUT IT ALSO COULD OFFER
A
BEAUTIFUL OBSERVATION DECK FOR
THE LAGUNA BECAUSE IT WOULD BE
UP
PRETTY HIGH.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST IS
TO INCLUDE BOTH PROPERTIES IN A
MIDYEAR REVIEW.
AND I DON'T WANT TO
CONTINUE
WITH AN AD HOC AT THIS TIME AND
WOULD LIKE TO JUST HAVE
THAT
MIDYEAR REVIEW TO SEE IF IT'S
EVEN FINANCIALLY
POSSIBLE.
AND I JUST -- A COUPLE
OF
THINGS POINT OF ORDER AND
SIMPLY
BECAUSE OF WHAT I JUST HEARD,
WANT TO EXPRESS THE
FRUSTRATION
THAT I FELT WHEN I LISTENED TO
THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE
I'M
JUST GOING TO SAY IT.
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I
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IT FELT LIKE A SALES JOB, NOT
AN
INFORMAL TYPE OF THING.
I MEAN, I HAD SO MANY
PEOPLE
COMING OUT OF
THERE AND CHEWING
MY EAR OFF
SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU
GUYS MADE A DECISION WITHOUT
ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT IT
AT
COUNCIL BECAUSE THE
IMPRESSION
WAS A DECISION WAS MADE.
AND AS A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT
SITS HERE AND HAS TO GO
THROUGH
ALL OF THAT AND WAS NOT PART
OF
ALL THAT, IT'S DISAPPOINTING
TO
HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT A
DECISION
WASN'T MADE.
BUT THE IMPRESSION FOR MANY
PEOPLE IS THAT A DECISION WAS
MADE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD SEVERAL
PEOPLE TELLING ME IT WAS A SALES
JOB.
THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE AT
A --
WHAT'S IT CALLED -- A TIME
SHARE
THING.
THAT WAS THE ANALOGY THEY USED.
SO AS A POINT OF ORDER, FOR
ME
PERSONALLY I WAS LIKE,
OKAY,
TAKE NOTE.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
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OUTREACH, NOW
WE NEED TO DEFINE
SOME OF THAT BECAUSE IT
JUST
FELT LIKE IT KIND OF
WENT BEYOND
WHAT IN MY MIND I WOULD
ENVISION
FOR THAT.
SO I JUST HAVE TO SAY
I'M
SHARING WITH
YOU ALL.
I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE A
CRITICISM, BUT I'M JUST
SHARING
THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE
TO
HAVE.
AND IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE WHEN
YOU'RE HAVING TO
HAVE
CONVERSATIONS AND
TELLING
PEOPLE, NO, A DECISION
WASN'T
MADE.
AND THEY'RE LIKE IT
CERTAINLY
SOUNDS LIKE
IT AND WASN'T
ACTUALLY DISCUSSED AT
THE
COUNCIL MEETING.
SO PEOPLE ARE DISAPPOINTED IN
THAT, AND I'M JUST SHARING
THAT
WITH YOU ALL.
I PERSONALLY AM NOT
SUPPORTIVE
OF HAVING AN AD HOC RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT'S THE CART BEFORE
THE
HORSE.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WE CAN AFFORD
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IT.
AND AGAIN WE'VE GOT THE DEFICIT.
I WANT TO SHARE ALL THE THINGS
THAT WERE
SHARED TO ME.
IT DIDN'T GOOD SITTING IN
THERE
AND AFTERWARD KIND OF
BEING
ATTACKED BIA FEW
PEOPLE LIKE WHY
WAS THIS DECISION MADE.
ANYWAY, THAT'S MY --
GO
AHEAD.
I'M GOING TO COME BACK
AND
TRY TO LOBBY BECAUSE I
HEAR
COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER
SAYING,
YES, BUDGET CAN REVIEW IT
AT
MIDYEAR.
BUT WITHOUT HAVING SOME OF THAT
INFORMATION TO BE ABLE
TO
PRESENT TO BUDGET COMMITTEE,
I
DO THINK WE WOULD NEED TO
PULL
TOGETHER THIS COMMONS GROUP
THAT
HAS WORKED REALLY HARD AND
AN
AD HOC AT LEAST IN DECEMBER, AND
THAT WOULD GIVE THE STAKEHOLDERS
TIME TO REACH OUT TO
OUR
SUPERVISOR, LINDA HAWKINS, TO
SEE IF WE HAVE ANY COUNTY
SUPPORT OR WE CAN DRUM THAT.
OR MAYBE TO OUR
COUNTY
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COMMISSIONER FIGURE OUT IF
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WE
CAN GET THE LIBRARY TO KIND OF
STATE WHERE THEY COULD BE AT
SO
THAT WE CAN GO BACK INTO
THAT
BUDGET REQUEST MIDYEAR WITH
A
LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION
BEHIND
IT TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT JUST
THROWING $50,000 OUT.
SO MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE
TONIGHT, BUT I'M NOT FOR AN
AD HOC TONIGHT AND EXTENDING THE
AD HOC'S SCOPE OF WORK.
BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO TRY
TO
LOBBY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT
ALL
THIS WORK THROWN OUT THE WINDOW.
AND IT WOULD SEEM LIKE A NEW
AD HOC CREATED IN DECEMBER
TO
GET READY FOR THE
BUDGET
PRESENTATION MIGHT MAKE
SENSE,
SO THEY'RE NOT COMING IN
COLD
BECAUSE THIS INFORMATION WILL
BE
THREE MONTHS OLD OR FOUR
MONTHS
OLD BY THE TIME
WE GET THERE.
SO I AGREE THAT I DON'T
WANT
TO THROW OUT THEIR WORK, JUST TO
BE
CLEAR.
GOT TO FIGURE OUT -- I
WOULD
LIKE TO PUT THE DOWNTOWN
SPACE
BACK IN THERE FOR A
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EVALUATION.
AND SO IF THAT'S PART OF THE
SCOPE OF THE AD HOC THAT MEET
IN
DECEMBER, I'M OKAY WITH
THAT.
BUT CAN WE REALLY DIRECT AN
AD HOC NOW THAT IS FOR DECEMBER?
YOU CAN CREATE ONE NOW IF
YOU
WANTED OR YOU CAN WAIT
UNTIL
DECEMBER.
I'D LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL
DECEMBER.
BUT CAN WE JUST SEND THAT TO
STAFF, STAFF DIRECTION THAT
WE
WANT THAT TO COME BACK AS
AN
AGENDA ITEM IN DECEMBER FOR
AN
AD HOC TO
BE CREATED?
YES, WE COULD COME BACK.
I
MEAN, ON THE FIRST OR
SECOND
MEETING IN DECEMBER
THERE'S
GOING TO BE A TURNOVER AND
THE
COUNCIL --
I THINK IT'S THE FIRST
MEETING, ISN'T
IT?
THE FIRST MEETING IS --
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON
HOW
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COUNTY.
UNDERSTOOD.
BUT I THINK WE'VE NEVER
MISSED
THE FIRST MEETING.
SO IS THAT JUST STAFF
DIRECTION,
OR DO WE HAVE
TO MOVE IT?
OKAY.
AND I DON'T WANT TO -- I DON'T
KNOW IF THERE'S SUPPORT FOR
THAT, BUT --
SO WHAT'S YOUR
MOTION?
I'D SUPPORT THAT.
IT'S NOT A MOTION.
THEY SAID IT'S JUST STAFF
DIRECTION.
AND WHAT'S THE
DIRECTION?
THE DIRECTION WOULD BE
TO
COME BACK THE SECOND WEEK,WEEK,
MEETING IN DECEMBER WITH
AN
AGENDA ITEM TO CREATE AN AD
HOC
WITH A SCOPE OF WORK TO
BE
DETERMINED BUT WOULD BRING
BOTH
PROPERTIES THAT WE
WERE
DISCUSSING DOWNTOWN AND
O'REILLY
BACK IN TO GET SOME
INFORMATION
ENOUGH TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL FOR
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OF
WORK TO THE MIDYEAR BUDGET
REVIEW.
I SECOND
THAT.
OKAY, SO WE'LL DO IT AS
A
MOTION.
THANKS.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY
SOMETHING
TO MAKE SURE THAT
EVERYONE'S
TALKING ABOUT THE
SAME THING.
AN AD HOC IS COMPRISED SOLELY
OF
TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO NO --
NOT THE FULL --
NOT THE COMMITTEE AND
EVERYTHING, RIGHT.
IT'S STAFF AND
TWO COUNCIL
MEMBERS, CORRECT?
YEAH.
AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT
THE
SCOPE OF WORK -- BECAUSE I
AGREE
THE TOWN HALLS WERE NOT
TYPICAL
IN AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, SO
IT
MIGHT -- WE'LL DETERMINE
THE
SCOPE OF WORK AT THAT
TIME.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I
STILL
JUST STRUGGUAL LE WITH THE WHOLE
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MONEY THING, SO I DON'T
WANT
WORK THROWN AT IT EITHER.
IT'S MUCH MORE FINANCIALLY IS
AN
ISSUE FOR ME RIGHT NOW.
SO ANYWAY.
SO YOU JUST NEED
DIRECTION?
WE HAVE A
MOTION.
CAN YOU READ THE MOTION BACK?
SO THE MOTION I HEARD
WAS
MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER
HINTON
AND SECONDED BY VICE
MAYOR
MAURER TO DIRECT STAFF FOR
THE
SECOND MEETING BACK IN
DECEMBER
AND AD HOC COMMITTEE
WITH
PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK
TO
INCLUDE BOTH LOCATIONS, AND
TO
BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR
CONSIDERATION AT THAT SAID
MEETING.
AND THEN DIDN'T YOU
HAVE IT
WOULD ALSO GO TO BUDGET
REVIEW -- IN PREPARATION TO
GO
TO BUDGET
REVIEW, RIGHT?
PART OF THE SCOPE OF
WORK
WOULD BE IN PREPARATION FOR
THE
MIDYEAR
BUDGET.
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MIDYEAR BUDGET
REVIEW.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A
STATEMENT BEFORE WE VOTE, IT'S
JUST
I CAN'T SUPPORT HAVING
SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF OUR
DOWNTOWN.
SO I WILL BE VOTING NO, BUT
I
WANT PEOPLE TO
UNDERSTAND WHY.
I'M JUST NOT SUPPORTIVE
OF
MOVING IT OUT OF DOWNTOWN
AND
HAVING THAT
AS PART OF IT.
AND WE HAVE TO DO THIS
PAST
BECAUSE AS A POINT OF ORDER AT
10:30 WE ALL HAVE TO
AGREE,
OTHERWISE THE
MEETING ENDS.
MAYOR.
YOU'RE GOING TO READ IT
AGAIN.
INCLUDE
THE DOWNTOWN.
I'M SORRY?
WE INCLUDED
THE DOWNTOWN.
RIGHT.
SO SO MOVED BY COUNCIL
MEMBER
HINTON AND SECONDED BY
VICE
MAYOR MAURER TO DIRECT
STAFF TO
BRING IT BACK AT THE SECOND
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IN
DECEMBER CREATION OF
AN AD HOC
COMMITTEE WITH THE
PROPOSED
SCOPE OF WORK TO INCLUDE
STAFF
TIME IN DEFINITIONS AND THEN
FOR
CONSIDERATION OF BOTH
LOCATIONS
IN PREPARATION FOR THE
MIDYEAR
BUDGET REVIEW.
IF IT
WASN'T SECONDED --
IT WAS, YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER
CARTER?
YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER HINTON.
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER
ZOLLMAN.
YES.
VICE
MAYOR MAURER.
YES.
MAYOR
McLEWIS.
AT THIS TIME,
NO.
MOTION PASSES 4-1
WITH
COUNCIL MEMBERS CARTER, HINTON,
ZOLLMAN, AND VICE --
I CAN SEE BY
BODY LANGUAGE WE'RE NOT
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STAYING
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PAST 10:30.
WE HAVE TO HAVE
UNANIMOUS
AGREEMENT TO STAY PAST 10:30,
SO
THE MEETING WILL
BE ADJOURNING.
THANK YOU. [Event Concluded]
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