Sebastopol City Council
February 6, 2024

This is crazy. But you know, all right. Well, maybe
we're a small town, we can get things done.

Okay, great. So we have we have a motion on the table to allocate the 10,000 to appoint the ad hoc to get the poll done. And to, you know, coordinate dates for us to for next steps. See if we can make it happen.

I don't see anybody seconded yet. I councilmembers Ohlman moved. I will second.

Okay, so, the motion. The motion is moved by council members omit and seconded by Vice Mayor rich to appoint the ad hoc committee of Manhattan and councilmembers Allman into higher Denny Rosati with a funding up to $10,000 to implement a poll to be returned to a city council meeting to be determined. Councilmember Mauer No.

Councilmember Zalman Yes. Vice Mayor rich? Yes. Mayor Hinton Yes. In councilmember Mick Lewis is absent so the motion passes 311 With councilmember Zalman Vice Mayor raging American voting in favor, Councilmember Mauer voting in an opposition in councilmember MC Louis absent.

Okay, thank you.

Does anybody need a quick break? Or can we continue to grow? Okay, so with that, we are moving to additional public comment for items not on the agenda.

Sorry, can you? Thank you, Mayor. So this is for items that are not public comment for the second period for items that are not on the agenda. And this is if you did not speak the during the first public comment period, you would have the opportunity to speak during this comment period. If you would like to make a public comment and did not speak earlier. Please unmute your telephone please raise your hand to get my attention or please
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raise your virtual hand. There is no one in the chamber. Oliver, would you like to make a public comment? I would Yeah. Yeah. Can you hear me? I can. Can you see the timer? I can. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, please. I'm just really confused about this extraordinary reinvention of what the public library is.

The same spin in this sort of bizarre thing with Linda Hopkins and people reinventing a library as a crisis center and so on. I use the Public Library's run by the county. I often check out books from there.

This discussion which has gone on for hours, has gone from a public safety discussion to raise money for the for the budget, which is deep in the in the read to this bizarre kind of idea that the library is more important than the police. Did I get that right, sir? councilors Allman. I mean, this is just insane. It makes no sense at all. This is political
posturing and maneuvering, but it's not grounded in any sort of reality at all. So I can't see any way that unless you really package the poll very carefully that this is going to go anywhere at all. It's absolutely bizarre. That's my point. That's my comment.

Thank you, Oliver for your public comment. So again, this is for public comments. For items not on the agenda. If you did not speak during the first original public comment, you can public make a public comment now if you'd like to raise your hand virtually please unmute your telephone or please wait to get my intention the gallery
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or is waiting to get my attention so public comment is closed.

Okay, thank you for that.

So we are now down to city council and city staff reports and communications. Is there any reports from city manager city clerk? Not for me, Mary. Okay, thank you. I see the city clerk shaking her head. How about city council reports.

Councilmember Mauer.

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So I just wanted to report out on the Climate Action Committee and what they're doing right now they completed an electrification survey. And they also are working on a Vision Zero resolution and the county adopted a Vision Zero resolution, this will be coming to Council. This is about safety in our streets. On the zero waste, Sonoma County Zero Waste board. At our last meeting, we discussed adopting a model ordinance for Sonoma County City's for building projects, materials, and the board decided not to adopt it. Instead, we asked them to take it back and make sure they ran it by the contractors, the people who are doing the work within a reasonable amount of time and bring it back to the board. And then
I went I attended the Sebastopol chamber and this basketball Downtown Association, they had a meeting a genomic Lewis was there as well. They are working on a potential merger of those two groups. And that was so good to attend that and see all businesses there. So that's all I have to report.

Thank you.

Okay, Steven? Yes, just very briefly, July 3, attended a one on one call with the executive director Sonoma Clean Power to kind of talk about some ongoing issues and what would end up on the agenda for later in the week. On July 5, they met with our new executive director of the Sebastopol Art Center, lovely discussion about how they could tie in with the ongoing library efforts. On July 6, attended the Sonoma Clean Power, not only regular board meeting, but closed session afterwards to do an evaluation of executive director
on July 7, had a great conversation and coffee with our interim fire chief. And on July 10, we had the Special Council the council meeting to do an evaluation. And then later that day, on July 10, we had our first library kickoff, which was really great. And thank you to my fellow council members, for prioritizing that and allowing us to gather a whole bunch of stakeholders to talk about what we can do by way of reinvent reimagining what our library could be, especially given the fact that the COVID variations may go on and on and on. So it's like, what can we do to not just expand a Squarespace, but thank you to Merrick early to keep us on task, which is the fact that not only do we want to do this, because it's important members of the community, but we should also figure out a way to make money off the deal.

So there are libraries out there international libraries that have it be part of a complex, where people go and actually spend money, and that generates tax dollars. So thank you.

Vice Mayor, thank you.

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potential well really developments related to emergency preparedness. And then finally, there's a report that is part of the of the packet, tonight's meeting packet. That is a quarterly report on the unhoused.

And that's a staff report that was drafted primarily buried by Carrie Swanstrom as the staff liaison for issues related to the unhoused with my input and support. That's about and then I would mention also that the quarterly sales report on the horizon shine RV village is going to be submitted in I think I may add a meeting in August. So that would have been included in this packet tonight. But there were COVID illness issues that delayed its production. So it'll be presented next August. That's all I have.

Okay, thank you. I attended the SCTA RCPA meeting on the 10th. That is when the ballot polling was presented to the directors.

And that will come in handy because I can share that with council members only now, as we're going to move forward
With a subcommittee, I also was hosting the host of the senior center luncheon with the mayor on Wednesday, the 12th. And I had a number of people show up and we've been all rotating and doing lunch lunches with the council members. And it seems like that I had some people that had shown up for other people's luncheons, and then some new people. So that was a fun time and I get quiz for an hour on what the city was doing.

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that is about it. But I will say that we are going to as a council be extended tickets to the Sonoma County Fair. I am on appointed for a board director by our supervisor, Linda Hopkins. And so I do invite anybody to coordinate with me if they're coming to the fair and let me know and happy to sit with them.

I did hear that are Sebastopol race day is Is it true, it's a fourth Mary. And I will say that the directors are going to be running a foot race on that day in dinosaur outfits that blow up. Because the theme is Jurassic Park. And we have spent a lot of money for a very special Flower Show, where we have lifesize dinosaurs at the fair in the flower exhibit. And I saw them today and they are quite impressive, I must say. So if you have kids or just love dinosaurs yourself, but anyway, so let me know if you're coming to the fair. And I'd love to help host you there. And if you want to come to our day and watch me make a ridiculous fool out of myself in a blow up dinosaur thing. It should be fun. So anyway, that's my report for the evening. And if there's no other reports, then we will call an end to this meeting at 941.

Thank you everybody.

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Sebastopol Community Center: We are time and simple parliamentary destiny whatever. That's when you're not. But that's all Internet. 14 00:02:13.780 --> 00:02:26.279
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Sebastopol Community Center: Okay? And I'm going to turn to our new city manager.
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Kyle Falbo: So what I'm noticing is that the
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Kyle Falbo: the Sebastopol City. The Sebastopol Community Center zoom account needs to change their microphone.
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Kyle Falbo: I wanna give it another shot
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Kyle Falbo: I just need to hear somebody speak
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Kyle Falbo: Account has their.
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Kyle Falbo: One thing that might help
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Kyle Falbo: Yes, I can hear you. But I don't know if that's going to solve the long-term problem of the sebastical Community Center account. 35 00:10:04.330 --> 00:10:05.829
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Mayor Diana Rich: Okay.

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Mayor Diana Rich: we pay like, yes, I need this.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Okay, so
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Mayor Diana Rich: what we are, what we are gonna do is go ahead and take a break for 5Â min, and and we're hopeful of these issues will be resolved. So we're coming back at 6 20. Thank you. Everyone for their patience.
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Mayor Diana Rich: I'm so not a zoom pan.
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Mayor Diana Rich: So what we're gonna do guys is
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Mayor Diana Rich: what are you
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Mayor Diana Rich: What do you need?
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Mayor Diana Rich: okay, we're gonna move forward.
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Mayor Diana Rich: thank you very much. Everyone for your patience. These Texas can be absolutely annoying. But we're going to move forward as quickly as we can. I appreciate those who have stayed on Zoom and those who have stayed in the room.
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Mayor Diana Rich: When we were interrupted we were confirming that there were no statements of conflicts of interest.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Do I see any statements of conflicts of interest here? Statements?
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Mayor Diana Rich: Thank you. And we do need to know for purposes. Real calls at Lisa Hinton Council member hadn't arrived while we were in the midst of all this craziness. So next item on the agenda is the public comments for items. Not on the agenda.
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Mayor Diana Rich: perhaps for items not on the agenda. But we need to get the core work of this meeting done. So we're gonna do the public comments for items, not on the agenda after we do the consent calendar. So I'm reordering. We're gonna do a quick consent calendar. Then we're going to Eif. Then we're going to public comments for items, not on the agenda, and then we'll return to our regular calendar.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Is everyone understanding where we are here? Any concerns? No, okay.
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Mayor Diana Rich: so consent, Calendar. I'm going to read the consent calendar items here. And there are 8 of them.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Approval. City Council meeting. Minutes for meeting of December fifth, 2 2,023. Approval of City Council Meeting minutes for meeting of December 1920 23. Receive a minute reference orders for calendar, year 2023.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Approval of designating voting delegate, and alternates to vote in the Mayor's absence for the 2024 Sonoma County mayors and Agenda Item Number: 4
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Council members, city Selection committee meetings and Sonoma, county mayors and council members, board and general Membership Association meetings.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Approval of 2024 program for city sponsorship, approval of sculptures for community sculpture, Garden approval of reappointment of current planning Commission members.
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Mayor Diana Rich: receipt of interview date time for the following applications, openings, climate Action Committee and cinema, county transportation, authority, county bicycle and pedestrian citizens, advisory Committee.
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Mayor Diana Rich: and I'm going to ask of my fellow City Council members whether there's a request for any items to be removed from the consent.

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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): okay, thank you, Madam Mayor. Yes, I'd like to pull agenda. Item number 6. I got an answer to one of my questions from Carrie, but I didn't in reference to the others, so I'd like to pull that.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Okay, thank you. So that adding will be pulled and placed at the end of the calendar for this evening.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): So let's see, on the calendar year minute order. There's a correction on pages 104 to 105, and I've spoken to our assistant city manager about that
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Mary Gourley: Yes, it will. You would just admit you would correction on page 105.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): So moved.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Okay, any other questions or comments regarding consent. Calendar? No, Mary, do you need to go out to public comment on the consent, calendar. Yes, we do. Thank you.
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Mary Gourley: So this is for public comment, for items on the consent calendar. Only if you would like to make a public comment on the consent.

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Mary Gourley: please raise your hand. I will go to in chambers first. If there's anyone that would like to make all a comment. The name I will go out to Zoom. Linda. Can you unmute yourself, please?
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17078248417: comment and the the input from the public is to our current mayor
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17078248417: by removing it and then placing it somewhere else later, where a lot of people may not be there.
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17078248417: So anyway, it's just all all part of the transparency that that this current
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17078248417: Item Number 5, I would just like to say, for many, many, many years I have thought that that we needed to have another walk, and you know, Mary,
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17078248417: Eric Gurney is responsible for for these wonderful walks I used to participate in, you know, before everything got so toxic downtown, with all the radiation. So anyway, on that same subject, I think that we need to have a walk that is, is led by somebody with meters that can show the public how how toxic, and increasingly. 98 00:28:34.600 --> 00:28:36.679
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Kari Svanstrom: Good evening, Arthur. George Cherup, West county homeless advocates, a sebastical centric organization that has also advocated before the county the 2,023 civil grand jury noted favorably that Sebastopol had provided emergency warning, warming facilities for the unhoused on its own. While the county generally failed. 121
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Kari Svanstrom: Supervisors in June promised funding and training that didn't happen, although Supervisor Hopkins has stepped up for $10,000 of assistance to the city. Arthur, I'm sorry, but is we're on public comment on items on the consent calendar.
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Mayor Diana Rich: and I'm feeling messed up. Okay. So let's get on to the first item. Well, actually, we're on consent calendar. Do we have any further discussion on consent, calendar? So we had a motion earlier. But it wasn't a full motion, so I'm looking for a motion to approve 133
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Mayor Diana Rich: item number 9, Eif ad hoc committee discussion and direction regarding Eif boundaries. Acceptance of 50,000 county dollars in county funding for eifd consultant and next steps for the Eif formation process.
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Mayor Diana Rich: The action items for tonight are receipt of the report out decision whether to move forward or not, move forward with forming an Eif decision regarding the boundaries of the Eif
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Mayor Diana Rich: So looking at this document. And the eif the first thing that I'm gonna say to put out there in order to clarify what continues to be some confusion
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Mayor Diana Rich: in a process that would allow the evaluation of the potential benefits to the city of Sebastol on our side, and the county of Sonoma on the other side from an Eif. It's an evaluation process that we would be agreeing to.
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Mayor Diana Rich: The other piece is that in order to facilitate this Supervisor Hopkins has been very helpful, and I she'll share her comments with you. But the the the purpose is to benefit all of West Sonoma County, and clearly that's within her vision.
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Mayor Diana Rich: that we are willing to step in and take the brunt of that work cause it's gonna be work to the extent that city staff needs to be supplemented. So we wanted to make that offer upfront and and and make sure that that's clear, because we see that as the potential burden obligation
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Mayor Diana Rich: that could be a stressor in terms of the city's commitment to participate here. So those are the key points that I'd like to make and then I guess finally, I would say that there are a lot of questions that aren't answered.
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Mayor Diana Rich: we don't have to. In this process. We have to remember that the decision about the city of Sebastopol, taking any portion of its future property tax increases and sequestering into into the ie. Ifd. In other words, taking it out of our general fund.
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Mayor Diana Rich: that decision is down the line when we are much better informed through a consultant's efforts, through partnership with the county, and through the many hard efforts, difficult tasks, that our Budget Committee is engaged in in order to try to develop some other options for us.
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Mayor Diana Rich: addressing the question, Well, why, in our fiscal crisis, are we even considering this?
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Mayor Diana Rich: Because it's an opportunity to do something that infuses hope and future, and addresses infrastructure problems that we all have in a way that doesn't take more money out of the pockets of our residents, and doesn't require that we make that decision now in the moment.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Yes, thank you, Madam Mayor, I think that was a great synopsis. The thing that got me interested. It was initially proposed to me by our supervisor for the lab for the library, and I know people are sick of hearing me talk about the library. But it was a concept in the fact that I think I realized that our capital improvement programs that we already have listed for us to do, and that is, on page 23 of 23, total, $27,000,580.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): And the library isn't listed, even though, is there a city complex for our hardworking staff. So it occurred to me in the fact that that doesn't seem likely that we're ever gonna be able to
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): remote, be able to pay for any of these capital improvement plans in it from my recollection and reading it. Now, it doesn't even touch on the basic things that our citizens are looking for, which are to make sure that our pipes are still working sewer water, all of that which is coming down the pipe.

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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): The interesting thing, too, is the fact that there's not gonna be any hard feelings. If the county does give us the 50,000. And after this joint body is formed is suggested projects even with our input, which would be 50%. Input as to the projects, if we don't like the projects that are on the table, we can just back out no one's gonna cry, no one's gonna hold any hard feelings. It's just the reality.
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Mayor Diana Rich: great. Thank you very much, and I think I'll ask our city manager if he has any comments initially, and then I'd like to turn it over to Supervisor Hopkins.
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Don Schwartz: the staff person and learn today did unforeseen circumstances that we had anticipated to work on. This may be available, but the offer of the mayor and vice mayor to essentially fill the void gives me confidence even more confidence that we're gonna find a way to work through this
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Mayor Diana Rich: Thank you very much. And wonderful to have you making recommendations and giving us some direction. Appreciate that. I'd like to call Supervisor Hopkins up to the podium. And do we have a mic? Okay, well, she's
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Mayor Diana Rich: Yeah, I think that pretty much. Everyone that you know works. Many of our buildings were built
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Mayor Diana Rich: And so what I liked about this model is, it actually allows people like to actually contribute to community infrastructure improvements, because, you know, I swim often at high school, and I need people there from accidental from, you know the lower folks from all over. Use that community amenity. And yet it's just on the city of 225
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Mayor Diana Rich: So, looking at potential revenue opportunities in excess of 200 million dollars, I feel like really go a long way into improving amenities in our watershed. Or, you know, farmers shed or service areas.
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Mayor Diana Rich: And to me, it's really important to approach this area of collaboration and partnership, and I really think to meeting every other week. You know, with the ad hoc on this, if that's what it takes cause. I also want to make sure that we're not kind of burning and already pull the Overburden City staff with, you know one morning project that
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Mayor Diana Rich: and then hopefully, the only kind of legal burden on you would be just basically sort of reviewing their work to make sure that you know it's it's acceptable to the city. So we try to minimize the people burden
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Mayor Diana Rich: and if there is some point, yeah, there's needed more work from the consult, maybe lots of different Ifd boundaries that we would also be open to expanding.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Great. Thank you for all of that, and we'll keep you up there, if you don't mind, for a few minutes. I'm concerned about the whether zoom, those on Zoom are actually able to hear Linda Hopkins, because I do still see that she shows us muted.
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Kari Svanstrom: and really focused on our commitment to Western Sonoma County and support for the larger infrastructure projects. And Linda, we hear you now.

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Kari Svanstrom: And so unincorporated communities receive just sort of general county services. And we actually launched a governance study that went in and analyzed how much money the county is spending in our and specifically in the lower Russian River, and I'd be happy to send you a link to that study. It kind of explains, you know where the money flows from, and to like how much revenue is generated in those areas, and kind of what services are received.
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Kari Svanstrom: But broadly, there's no precise return source mechanism outside of you know, some small amount of to the tune of a couple of $100,000 a year. That is divided up by district to the districts that generate it that's designed to sort of focus on tourism impact. But in general, it's sort of a a general fund and a general support. 274
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Mayor Diana Rich: So, Linda, I heard you say. possibly 50,000 additional.

If if putting this together runs over.
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Kari Svanstrom: I don't think I set in number, but I'm open to what it takes, so 50,000 is the current proposal, and then we can see how it goes and potentially augment if needed.
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Mayor Diana Rich: You mentioned all the communities, but you didn't mentioned the Giga Bay, which to me is a much bigger community, the great. And I just want to make sure that that's one of the communities in the district. Right?
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Kari Svanstrom: It is construction. Projects are considerably more complicated in the coast.
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Kari Svanstrom: And so there's a lot less development potential in the coastal zone. The main needs that I hear about in Vega Bay actually pertains to kind of the harbor, and we've been seeking State and Federal funding for climate resilience investments for the dock out there. And I think that's another thing that's worth mentioning is that you know, periodically right, there are suddenly huge grant opportunities at the State and Federal level right now. It's not so much of the State. But there.
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Kari Svanstrom: there are a lot of opportunities for the Feds. And so, having this kind of a you know, sort of pot of money could also allow us to potentially draw down State or Federal dollars as part of a match for some of the projects, if they're eligible.
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Kari Svanstrom: That's a good question. I think you can answer part of it. But and I don't know if sort of anyone like City Manager Schwartz, or anyone knows a little bit more about this process than I do. Also I also got a tech improvement, which is that I figured out how to get the video on. There was apparently a little sort of slidey thing over the camera.

That was what was preventing it. Anyways, we're we're learning so once you're in like the county couldn't pull out certain communities right, the county is either in or they're not
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Kari Svanstrom: in and once they make that commitment, we would likely then be bonding against future revenue, which we would then be spending.

So then you're in it until sort of you know the entire term. So that's kind of my understanding. And I don't know if that matches sort of your understanding. City manager, Schwartz.
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Don Schwartz: But one of the differences is there's no additional tax burden. So there's not like, if you're if you pull out, that you don't get any tax benefit from doing that your tax rate stays the same. So the incentive
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Councilmember McLewis: you know our infrastructure. And when we were looking, when the whole idea of putting a sales tax in the city. We received emails from people in the West County saying, I don't want the sales tax because I'm in West County, and I don't want to be paying for your infrastructure. So having read those emails
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Councilmember McLewis: just months ago, weeks ago, it's really hard for me to understand why. Now we think that they would actually want to help because we receive messaging that they didn't. So I'm just wondering, you know what your thoughts are on that. And if how do you? I mean, how do you? We wrap our head around that
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Kari Svanstrom: the person? I think it's a really good question, and I think that there are 2 parts that answer number one. This is not new taxes for anybody, right? So they're not facing kind of an increase in their cost of living, which I think is really an important message to share. And then I would also say that I have certainly found it to be true in my role that you often hear from people who are upset or opposed about something, and
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Kari Svanstrom: often that is actually not indicative of a majority of people's viewpoint. And so you know, for instance, like my kids play soccer. You know, through Westco, which uses a bunch of you know, Sebastopol area schools. And you know, Regal Park fields, and I met folks from Bodega Bay, from actually some people, even from Northern Marin, like people from all over West County and Western Santa Rosa. 322
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Kari Svanstrom: All converge on those fields, and all you know. Kind of have a stake in asking me why the fields are so full of Co. You know, go for holes. And what are we gonna do about this? And you know. So I actually think that the majority of folks want to see improvements in their town. You know, and would be happy if, for instance, you know, flooding doesn't shut down the ability to have concerts that they attend right in the city of Sebastopol things like that. So I actually 323
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Councilmember McLewis: So I had another question. So based on your, you've obviously spent a lot more time working on this. I'm just curious because II don't know this. Do you know of any eifs that are that? You know we're out there where people, cities, actually people backed out of it. And why? And II just don't have any of that history. So I'm just curious if you
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Kari Svanstrom: I do not know about that. And but it's definitely something that we could have the consultants research. I. So I also wanted to share a little bit about timing. So this the sort of $50,000 allocation is potentially on the agenda for next Tuesday. At the Board of Supervisors the following Tuesday the Board will have the first discussion around eif policy. Which is sort of how much money are we willing to put in, you know? Is there sort of like a required.

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Kari Svanstrom: say, match from the city jurisdiction, or can they do less? And the county does more. How does it work right? And I know that the county staff has been looking at La County because they're apparently a number of different eifts that are city county partnerships in the county of Los Angeles. They've got a lot of cities down there so that we could definitely sort of look through those examples and and find out, you know, if any of them went south, or you know how they're doing. 327
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Councilmember McLewis: any other cities here, you know. I know Santa Rosa has done that, and I know you comment, and you were trying to get in first or whatever. But at the same time I'm just curious. Why aren't other cities trying to do this with the county right now as well, or are they? And is there a competition? Or how does that impact? 329
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Kari Svanstrom: That's a great question. And I don't have all the answers about how it would impact you. But I can say that. So Susan Goran and I serve on the Unincorporated Governance ad hoc committee for the County and Eif came up in conversation, and I believe that she is also looking at a potential eif d with the city of Sonoma out in Eastern Sonoma County for very similar reasons. They're also having preliminary conversations around a large annexe
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Kari Svanstrom: there. Everything recently seen, some chatter on social media about it. So it's out in the public sphere as well. So II think that probably honestly, a lot of it comes down to capacity. You know. And and just, you know, have you sat down and have that conversation with your mayor, and has, you know, city manager, talk to the CEO and I think everyone in in local government is probably somewhat exhausted who works in city, you know, and city government just cause there's been so much going on
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Mayor Diana Rich: Okay, thank you. And then, Councilmember Mario, did you have anything to add questions
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Mayor Diana Rich: and thank you. Supervisor Hopkins?
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Thank you. So I believe it was council Members Allman, who mentioned that Sebastian's facing right now of roughly 30 million dollars in infrastructure needs.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): And so what I'd like to know is what are the current infrastructure needs for the West County and an associated cost.
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Kari Svanstrom: So we have not done any kind of analysis about that and I actually think that's why it's really important to sit down and find out, you know, sort of what are your needs here also from you know your constituents about what they're, you know, wish lists. You've got your kind of we have to do. And then there's the maybe nice to have right, like, how many of those will fit in? We haven't even started that conversation? So it's yeah. It's totally up in the air. 338
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Second question, how likely is it that Sebastian will get substantially more revenue?
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Kari Svanstrom: again, I feel like that ultimately, is sort of part of the process. But I mean, if I were you I would be advocating obviously, for you know the city of Sebastopol, recognizing again that you have facilities here that are not found in any of the neighboring communities that are a common good that are utilized by, you know, unincorporated residents, and use that to justify increased you know, investments. And I think that
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Kari Svanstrom: you know again, having so few urban service areas, they're only so many places where we can kind of put physical infrastructure projects and and those kinds of improvements like, we don't have very many sewer systems out in West County. It's mostly septic, right? For instance.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Alright, I'd like to go out for public comment. But do we have any more questions?
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Nobody go ahead. Okay. What? What would inspire the county, the Board of Supervisors to approve something like this. Why would they agree to it?
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Kari Svanstrom: That's a great question. And what I have found is the way to get to 3 on the Board of Supervisors is to ensure there's something in it for everyone. So I want this for West County, because I believe in it, and I believe in making infrastructure investments. That are quite frankly decades overdue in many cases. But I know that Chris Corsi is very supportive because he's currently working with the city of Santa Rosa already serves on the public financing authority for downtown Santa Rosa
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Kari Svanstrom: and I know also that Susan Warren is interested in this in in East County. So that's 3 votes. And that's also why. I think another answer to this sort of question about. You know. Why has anyone else done that is, no one's really realize that it was an option that the county was interested in playing ball. And so now that the county is actually going through a process to create a formal policy that will open it up to you. Know any of the cities to to partner with us. 346
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Kari Svanstrom: That's I think. You know, once the Board has that policy, they can't say yes to Santa Rosa. Notice a basketball. You know what I mean like at the end of the day, right? What comes around goes around, and and you can't just pick one project over another equally worthy project in a different portion of the county.
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Kari Svanstrom: supervisors be concerned about this and not approve it? I'm just curious, I mean, because we all have our concerns. I have my own. So I'm just curious, just from your perspective. What would be the concerns? That's a really good question. I would say that the concerns are that we sort of lose revenue decrease our general fund capacity, and that there isn't sufficient property tax growth to offset that loss. 350
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Kari Svanstrom: So I think that that's a really important portion of this analysis, and whether the consultant that we hire is capable of performing that, or whether we also need to, you know, get an economist and get additional funding. I think that's gonna be an important component is, how can we ensure that these investments ultimately results in increased property tax growth over time? And that was really the whole sort of vision behind. You know, this is like redevelopment 2.0, basically.
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Kari Svanstrom: So yeah, and I think I can. I can hear my colleague, who is always our fiscal hawk on board Supervisor Rabbit, saying, Well, what does this mean for the general fund? Well, we have, you know, less money for health and human services and core functions, and the sheriff's office and etc., and I. So I think that's the main hurdle that the Board is going to
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Kari Svanstrom: have to overcome. And our CEO is wonderful. And she as our budget, she was a budget person for many years, so she's going to be really looking at this, you know, with a finder. Are you willing to continue? Whether or not you are on council?
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Mayor Diana Rich: You can continue on the ad hoc on the yeah, to the extent that that fell within the rules of the city council. I would be willing, but I think so. I certainly would be willing, but that would be subject to the limits. It may be to the extent that the ad hoc E. Ifd would require
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Mayor Diana Rich: 2 council members who are currently on the city council. I might be disqualified to the extent that I was qualified within those rules. Of course I would.
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Councilmember McLewis: Go ahead. So just echoing the concerns from, you know that supervisors would have other supervisors would have regarding general fund. I'm just curious from your perspective. I mean, if we're taking any kind of you know growth that we might have in our taxes, which would then, taking from our general fund, we're in a financial crisis.

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Don Schwartz: I wouldn't, because we're I just don't know enough about our situation, and it is pretty dire. But I would like to have the opportunity in the future to give you that option to leverage what we might be able to put in to get more in the long. I hope that makes sense. 370
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Is there a mechanism whereby the county can simply donate to Sebastopol for shared services with the West County, for example, for, like the pool, the senior center, the community center, you know the services that we share.
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Kari Svanstrom: So the mechanism for that would be sort of going to the county for a general fund one time. Allocation during budget hearings. 375
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Kari Svanstrom: And I can tell you that I do not see just sort of being honest, like a successful political path for that? Because then it becomes sort of a well, what about you know, Sonoma? Well, what about right? So it. It kind of creates a a one time. Ask Rush, I guess. Where my colleagues might not see what's in it for them to say contribute, and ties well, however separately.
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Kari Svanstrom: I was able to secure some community infrastructure funds.

We already dedicated funds last from the sort of first round to the city of Sebastian for an improvement over by the high School and we look forward to also because we receive another allocation working with you on. You know what you want, but that's again. That's like. 377
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Kari Svanstrom: it's small potatoes compared to right like, you're talking $200,000 versus 200 million dollars. So it's a it's a sort of scale difference. But I'll just say like, it's always like arm wrestling, and it gets ugly during budget hearings when it kind of gets into that like, well, what do you want? What do I want? And I feel like setting something up? That's a process is more likely to be successful if there's an equitable policy that any city can access.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Thank you. Thank you very much. And now I think we'll go out for public comment, could you please manage that.
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Kari Svanstrom: Hi! So one of the things that was kind of alarming in tonight's agenda. Item, as opposed to what we saw at the last meeting was that the it seems like the there's some strings attached to the $50,000 that in order for us to receive that $50,000, we need to only be exploring a district 5 map.

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Kari Svanstrom: and then we hear tonight from Supervisor Hopkins that she's open to exploring other maps. And so I just wanna make sure that we're
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Kari Svanstrom: keeping very much open the possibility of different maps as we go forward. We already heard tonight that Occidental is trucking out their their sewage. We've got Grenville that's living in a flood plain that's regularly flooding. And so I recognize that there are many infrastructure needs in District 5 that are not necessarily, as we also heard tonight, not quantifiable at this time
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Kari Svanstrom: number of households is about one tenth of District 5, so it's not clear to me that if we were to form an eifid with entire District 5, that Sebastian's gonna have any sort of majority control for that eif id
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Kari Svanstrom: I think it's really important that we recognize that the purpose of going into this is about the needs, the fiscal needs of the city of Sebastol that the there we're really looking at the surrounding area that utilizes our services and providing infrastructure projects that are
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Kari Svanstrom: dedicated to sebast pulled that serve that outer area. I think districts are district maps to be looking at our our elementary school districts, which serve our
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Kari Svanstrom: Western high school district specifically, annually high school historically, and that might be a good place to start it maybe expand from there. But, including the entire district 5 does not necessarily say to me that we are going to be capturing Lion's share of that revenue for infrastructure projects for Sebastian. Thank you. 389
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Mary Gourley: Thank you, Kyle, for your public comment. Next I will go out to Zoom. Lena. Can you unmute yourself, please?
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Lena Rothman: Yes, Hi.
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Mary Gourley: thank you. Can you hear us? Okay, Lena?
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Lena Rothman: What?
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Lena Rothman: Yes, I can hear you. Can you hear me.
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Lena Rothman: Yes, yes.
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Lena Rothman: I came to the meeting tonight? Can you hear me now? I can hear you, Lena. I came to the meetings
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Lena Rothman: tonight to ask the city of Sebastopol. I'm here with a few of my neighbors.
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Lena Rothman: and we would like the city of Sebastopol to sign on to and support the ceasefire in Gaza.
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Kari Svanstrom: this I think is on top of the market. I guess 404
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Mayor Diana Rich: So Lena. This is Mayor Rich. I just like to make sure that you know that we are discussing a specific item right at the moment.

But we would like you to stay in the meeting
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Mayor Diana Rich: so that you can share your public comment on items, not on the agenda, so that you can share your comments a little later. Can you confirm that you heard me, and that you will stay in the meeting.

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Lena Rothman: Can you hear me? Yes.
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Mayor Diana Rich: II know this has been difficult, but thank you for your patience, and we do want to make sure that we hear what you have to say, and we'll make a point, Lina, of letting you know by name when that opportunity for Po public comment arises, okay, thank you. Okay, thank you very much.
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17078248417: We can hear you, Linda.
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17078248417: Alright great! You know this is a you know. I have a amount of this meeting has I have been unable to hear Linda, the city manager. 415
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17078248417: There's about 45Â min at the first part of it, and you know there's just a lot of it that I have not heard due to your technical problems. So if now you could start my
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17078248417: you know, on this project, you know I have got my hands on it. I've gone over it and and read it, and it's only 23 pages. But anyway, I'm looking at it. And I I'm suggesting to the
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17078248417: Council that they need to run. Don't walk run away from this. This our current mayor has demonstrated time and time again that she does not know what she's done doing, and she and
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17078248417: Lisa, the former mayor have gotten us into a 5 million debt, that they obligation, which will, we will continue to pay on for the next 13 years. We still owe over 4 million on it, which was supposed to be partly for infrastructure, but they went ahead and signed on to that, not knowing what they were signing. So this is a very similar kind of a thing. The the acronym, if it
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17078248417: the FEIF. D. Has been mentioned by Mayor Rich 9 times, you know, was ever without anybody on this call, ever saying what it it stands for, and even once you find out what it stands for, which is apparently enhanced infrastructure financing district. It tells you nothing.
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Mary Gourley: Linda. You have about 20Â s.
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17078248417: anyway. you know she is everything that that they've done, you know, including getting our
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17078248417: our fine former police chief into quitting because she didn't know the difference between the behavior of Minneapolis cops and And also the Rv. Village was a complete Linda. That's 2Â min 424
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Mary Gourley: Thank you, Linda, for your public comment. Next I will come back into chambers.
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Kari Svanstrom: Hi, I don't think you can vote on this tonight, because, you've moved the agenda item that was at the end of the evening to the beginning, and nobody can hear you mine. So
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Kari Svanstrom: I think you're gonna have to like, put this off to another day before we have a vote
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Kari Svanstrom: but separates that I think this is from the Ef. Id, I think, should be for district 5, and not for the city of Sebastol. 429
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Kari Svanstrom: Mostly fidds are for pretty large
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Kari Svanstrom: business entities. I'm sorry civic entities. So it seems a really good idea to have a district 5, Efid, Eif D,
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Kari Svanstrom: and actually the 10% which Carl was talking about earlier accrues to the city rather than the other way around.
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Kari Svanstrom: organizes this thing independently of the city and the citizens
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Kari Svanstrom: so overall is a very broad and shallow and very confusing document. So I think back to the drawing board, and then a vote another day. Thank you.
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Mary Gourley: Next I will go back out to Zoom. Robert, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Robert: Can you hear me? I can hear you. Can you see the timer? Yeah, just. It's really a question. I'm not sure that we're answering questions from the public. But
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Robert: supervisors Hopkins is last meeting in this meeting. Both has comment on the fact that the county is going to be discussing a policy. 440
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Robert: and that policy conceivably could require a city match in order to participate.
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Robert: The documents that we've looked at so far in the story that we've been given is that this is coming from the 2 increase in our property taxes. That we're gonna contribute 25% of that. It's gonna have a very minimal effect on the city's budget, because it's only $7,000 a year initially.
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Robert: If if we were, can some can can somebody explain the county policy and the match, and how that would work and what might make that make it different from
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Robert: 2% increase in 25%. Thank you.

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Mary Gourley: Thank you, Robert, for your public comment. Next I will come back to in chambers. If there's anyone that would like to make a public comment in Chambers.
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Mary Gourley: seeing none. I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on the enhanced infrastructure financing district.
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Mary Gourley: Please raise your hand, please, and meet your telephone, or please wait to get my attention. The gallery. as you know, hands raised virtually.
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Mary Gourley: I see no one the gallery trying to get my attention. So public comments. Thank you very much, Mary Girley, for coordinating that I see Council Member Hinton has a question.
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Mayor Diana Rich: I'm ready to go. Oh, you're ready to go. Okay, any additional discussion up here at the date. Okay? So comments go ahead.

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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: First of all, I appreciate the ad hoc committee who put together this agenda item. I sat and read it. On Saturday.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I was getting a pedicure, and it was a lot of reading. So I really appreciate that. And I appreciate their offer frankly to help work with Staff. If we decide to move forward on this tonight, since we are short on staff, it does take a lot of work to put these things together to get us to this point. So I wanna say, I appreciate that.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Deva Prado that when I was mayor I got a copy of, and it said that the increase of our property taxes in Sebastopol for the value of taxable property, 2,023 to 24 was 5.6 8%.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: So we're talking about 2%. But the reality is we're pacing at a little over 5%. And they're asking for 25% of that. If I'm doing the math in my head, I think right.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: when I look at those projects we already, as a city manager pointed out, are funding some of those from our general fund now.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: so to be able to fund those from this district would help ease a little bit that we're pulling directly from our general fund right now.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I'm in favor of a fifth district map. I think it will save money in the long haul versus look at all the different mapping options, and I'm a collaborative person, so I can remember when I joined Rotary many years ago, they said, when you work as a group, you get more done. I mean, it's just the way it works. So if we're gonna have 3 seats from Sebastol, 3 seats from the county, and another mutually agreed upon. Seventh seat
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: to make decisions. And
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: So I don't see where we're in a in a losing situation. I just see it as a winning situation. I appreciate 463
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: our supervisor coming up with this extra money, and it's because she's excited about the project, and she doesn't want the West County to lose out, and neither do I. So I'm gonna be voting in favor of this tonight. We know we have a pullout opportunity, but I just think that it's
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I only see upside for us. At this stage in the game, and we'll learn more with the consultants and advising us along the way, but I really think it's an exciting project and an exciting way to look at things. I've lived in this county and this district for a very long time.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I love our neighbors. I love to go to Forrest, Phil and Great, and then have breakfast and all that, and I'm sure that by having 16 million dollars to work with we can all help each other. So I look forward to working as a team on the project. So thanks. 466
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Mayor Diana Rich: Thank you very much. Council Member Hinton.

Councilmember, Mara.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): For me an Efid. It must be mutual, mutually beneficial. And
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): the the road project listed in the report, the roads, which is not a very compelling vision to me in terms of why would West count residents want to support that
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): considering Sebastopol's financial situation. It seems a terrible time to considering enhance enhancements when we have a huge fundamental in infrastructure needs road, su sewer, water, etc. However, what inspires me the most is the supervisor, the mayor, the vice mayor, and sit the new city managers. Positive view of this opportunity.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): So I would support at this time inching this forward.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Thank you. Councilmember. Mara.
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Councilmember McLewis: Just a couple of comments. I can hear that echo. I guess my biggest concern with this is just
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Councilmember McLewis: that is super concerning to me. But what's even more concerning to me personally is just that I would want to make sure.

II appreciate the offers from our council members to participate in that process, but I also think that it still should be staff handling that because it just doesn't seem appropriate and out of the scope of a city council member to be managing that. So I'm not sure how that would work and where that oversight is that because there are always biases 479
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Councilmember McLewis: that objectivity to it. So I just wanna express that concern. The other thing is just because we are in a fiscal emergency.
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Councilmember McLewis: it just seems like I mean having Staff spend time on this right now, when we should be spending it on. You know I understand that it could down the road. It could bring you know, money to us and help fix things, but at the same time, in the short term, it's very concerning to me that we have so many things going on. And we really could use our staff time in a different way. You know our economic development that actually could happen faster for us. So there's just some of those things. II agree with the comments that
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Councilmember McLewis: and I just have to say this, and please take it in the spirit is II haven't had great experiences when you've brought things here. I have a business here that was deeply impacted by all the very Commons, and we sat on many calls, and I was told it wouldn't impact, and it has impacted us tremendously. So I have to. I approach these things 484
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Councilmember McLewis: with trepidation. Because I'm the lack of concern that was shown to any of the businesses that were impacted by that. By you, I by Supervisor Hopkins. I, just II just I can't. I can't sit here and not express that, because that's been my own experience. So I just haven't seen a lot of good things happen with Sebastopol as far as when you've brought projects here. So I do approach this with deep concern. 485
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Councilmember McLewis: and that's just my own personal experience over the last few years. So that's another concern for me.
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Councilmember McLewis: On the other hand, because we have our city manager supporting it, I respect his opinion. So that is basically what I'm you know, if I vote for this, it's just gonna be simply, I'm gonna trust that he's gonna help manage this and keep it on track. Because I just I have a lot of concerns and trepidation with this and partnering with the county and our in our current supervisor. So those are my thoughts, and I just have to speak the honest truth and experience.

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Councilmember McLewis: And that's why I got elected.
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Mayor Diana Rich: the 1 point I would make in regards to all the questions that have been raised is that none of these have been determined yet, and so the the boundaries of the Eif, the contribution the the projects. Those are all big questions. But those questions really need to remain for the consultants, active participation and the discussion within the
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Mayor Diana Rich: But I wanna make sure that none of that. Everyone out there there has been no decision that there will or not be a 25% contribution. That there will or not will not be a district 5 boundary, we know from Supervisor Hopkins, and from the discussion here that multiple boundaries will be considered, we do not yet know so many pieces about all of this. And that would be the consultants participation. 492
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): unless we actually do to try to do something that's different and out of the box, and especially I'm more comfortable in the fact that I have had different experiences with our supervisor, and I do take it on. That's value that we will work hand in hand for this to truly be a win win because I do care. But I'm also concerned about what our citizens are. Ultimately gonna get. If we're continuing to focus on infrastructure
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): alone, they're gonna get hit with a huge garbage thing. They're gonna get hit with a whole lot of other things that they weren't anticipating. So I'm really hoping that this sends a message to all of our citizens that we're thinking out of the box and really trying to like, make theirselves their lives happier and easier by trying new things that we haven't done in the past. So thank you.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Thank you. And I will also add that my experience with Supervisor Hopkins has been an experience that has developed trust that has conveyed to me her commitment
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Mayor Diana Rich: to being reliable committed to our greater West County interests and making good on her promises and her commitments, including collaboration. And we all have our experiences, and I respect each of our experiences. But I absolutely have to share that, and I'm confident that Supervisor Hopkins will take seriously the challenge of 498
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Mayor Diana Rich: ensuring that trust is built with this entire city council. No matter how challenging that might be. So I appreciate Council member sharing her thoughts and giving the opportunity for the the healing of that experience that is in the past that obviously has has really affected her perspective, and she speaks for others in the community, too. I think that's important to recognize.
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Don Schwartz: to particularly council Member, who is this, points and concerns.
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Don Schwartz: staff time was a question I've been trying to help out have not been able to get as much information in the 7 days as I would ideally like, for something like this comes before you. But we're on an accelerated schedule. And so we have to make decisions with the best information that we have.
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Don Schwartz: One of the thought is, is, I realize we are in a crisis at the moment.
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Don Schwartz: And I've will say this many times, I'm sure, while I'm in Sebastopol that's really the only lens that I would be looking at for recommendations to you is what is in the best long term interest to the residents of Sebastopol. And this case it's definitely a long game with a short
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Don Schwartz: start up. It doesn't really cost us very much. We will do the best we can to support a successful effort. But we're trying to keep our eye on the long haul at this point. Thank you.
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Councilmember McLewis: Okay.
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Mayor Diana Rich: thank you very much. City manager Schwartz. Supervisor Hopkins. Anything you'd like to contribute. We see Kerry response from setting up the
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Kari Svanstrom: But we knew that looks like we're live and unmuted. Okay, I just want to say, thank you for your incredibly insightful questions, and also comments. And then I take this responsibility very seriously, and not only to uphold trust that I have already earned, but also to earn trust that I don't yet have
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to happen. And then, I think, in order for this to really be visible to the community, have to take care of those and also bring some exciting things in. And I think that's a really excellent way of looking at it.

What are the things that
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Kari Svanstrom: you would quite frankly have already needed to pay for, anyway? And so you're essentially sort of spending the general fund that you already would have been spending right by diverting it into this, but then, hopefully, by aggregating and increasing the revenue you know, from contributions from the county, also have an opportunity to leapfrog and do some more exciting things, whether that's a library or you know additional amenities for the community at large. And so I look forward to embarking on this process with you and I also.
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Kari Svanstrom: I just wanted to briefly answer. There was one question, remember the public about the policy. I just wanna reaffirm that there is yet no policy from the Board of Supervisors. That conversation is gonna start at the county on the thirtieth, and then continue about a month after that, to set whatever the number is that we don't know. And I also there was another question about clarity around the map. I wanna make sure that a West County wide Eif is one of the options. 523
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Kari Svanstrom: but it doesn't need to be the only option. And so we can look at a variety of options. To just be really candid, the West is, gonna give us the most revenue and break to them. Look at investing. So I kind of felt like, well, if we grow the pot, and that's more for everybody, including the city of basketball. But that again is part of the process and and thank you very much for your consideration. And again, for really really good questions. So
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Mayor Diana Rich: thank you, Supervisor Hopkins. So I have a no additional comment. Oh, Councilmember Hinton, I was just ready to make a motion all right, and we do have the action items. If you want to follow. 525
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Councilmember McLewis: I guess, is it? It's discussion and move forward regarding EI sd, with acceptance of the 50,000. I think that's basically it. The one right? Have I missed something, Mary?
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Mayor Diana Rich: The one piece that we want to add is a decision regarding the boundaries of the Fd. To accept consideration of all possible Eif boundaries within District 5, including, but not limited to a possible full West County district.

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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Gary, do you want to go through and just give us what the motion? Your most efficient?
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Councilmember McLewis: Okay, thank you. Mary, if you could do the roll call for Us
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Mayor Diana Rich: thank you very much to everyone who participated. Thank you, Supervisor Hopkins. I know Supervisor Hopkins was on some force, retur all day, so appreciate or taking the time and appreciate everyone on Zoom and in the room here, and also staff for contributions on this item. I think we should take a quick break about
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Mary Gourley: almost 10.
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Mary Gourley: And I've got my.
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Mary Gourley: yeah, Kelly. And look at it. It's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's
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Councilmember McLewis: okay, so okay, there we go.
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Councilmember McLewis: Is there hungry?
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Councilmember McLewis: Alright. So we're gonna try to get this show on the road.
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Oh, oh, that's okay.
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Councilmember McLewis: Wow! Why don't they do that
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Mayor Diana Rich: alright? Everyone. Thank you for hanging in there during our break
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Mayor Diana Rich: we are now back in session after a brief break, and we are going to go to public comment on items not on the agenda. I do note for Mary Gurley's
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Mayor Diana Rich: information that when we get to zoom we need to make sure that Lena Rothman is the first option. But, please, if you could do, if you could handle public comment, I'd appreciate it.
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Mary Gourley: So this is for public comment, for items, not on the agenda. If you'd like to make a public comment.
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Councilmember McLewis: Good evening, George.
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Kari Svanstrom: Okay. My apologies for jumping the gun on the technology tonight. what I was beginning to talk about was warming centers, and the Agenda Item Number: 4
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Kari Svanstrom: We do appreciate the fact that Supervisor Hopkins did step up with $10,000 of assistance to the city 2 weekends ago, as you know. Once again, Sebastian was the only city in the county that's on its own had set up a warming centers when temperatures approach, freezing.

The number of those guests were elders and elder women, not the expected profile of unhoused persons. So Sebastian is proactive to the extent it can be.
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Kari Svanstrom: With Santa Rosa Warming Center plan as a model of what can be done in the county's annex document, detailing the health risk of exposure to cold
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Kari Svanstrom: debate about whether the discomfort of 45 degrees should be the trigger for a warming center respectfully with Sebastopol's limited resources, a 32 degree benchmark implements that which is necessary against truly extreme cold.
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Kari Svanstrom: preventing death of the unhoused from exposure. 570
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Kari Svanstrom: I understand the plan is in development as we move more deeply into winter.
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Kari Svanstrom: The question whether that plan will utilize first responders
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Kari Svanstrom: already within the city budget, or require outside private providers at higher expense. Volunteers remain available, ready to assist with the outreach coordinator, Maria Rico, of West County Community services.
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Kari Svanstrom: But those cold nights are coming
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Kari Svanstrom: separately. The clearance of horizon shine must occur in 6 short weeks, notwithstanding optimistic news articles on site. In fact, there is little readiness, despite the best efforts of case workers 575
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Kari Svanstrom: without being alarmist, but to raise an alert. 576
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Kari Svanstrom: The concern is for the welfare of those villagers, the welfare of the city, and concern for public safety. If there are forced evictions and displacements. Thank you.
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Mary Gourley: Thank you, Arthur, for your public comment. Next I will go out to Zoom. Lena. Can you unmute yourself, please?
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Lena Rothman: Okay, can you hear me?
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Lena Rothman: Yes, I can hear you, Lena. Can you hear us? Yes, okay, good. We're
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Lena Rothman: so. I'm here tonight with some neighbors. My name is I live at in Burbank Heights and orchards in Sebastopol. I'm here with 3 other neighbors tonight.
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Lena Rothman: and we wanted to ask the City Council
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Lena Rothman: to consider signing on to the ceasefire resolutions that in Gaza
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Lena Rothman: that different towns and cities have been signing onto all around the country and around the world. So I would like you to read a letter that this woman a Jewish woman.
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Lena Rothman: and Qatari, wrote to the Qatari City Hall, the City Council, which passed the resolution also, by the way, so I'll take a minute to do.
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Lena Rothman: She gives her name. I'll skip that, and she's on the board of the Congregation, Nur Shalom in Qatari.
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Lena Rothman: although she was only speaking for herself that night, she says, I love the Jewish people, and deeply committed to Jewish spiritual practice
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Lena Rothman: for myself and my family. In fact, my twins are having there when I mix at the end of the month. I say this because I wanted to be clear that my love and connection to the Jewish people my people, is life long and deep.
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Lena Rothman: I have Israeli friends and family, and have visited Israel a number of times. I believe in Israel's right to exist, and even to defend itself.
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Mayor Diana Rich: I think I can get extra time. Don't you think this is a very important issue? 24,000 people have been murdered in Gaza. Ready? Yeah, more than half of them are children, and the other, Alina. Lina.

Give her another
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Mayor Diana Rich: 30Â s, please. So, Lina, if you could please read as quickly as possible through through your letter, but then we'll need to move on. Thank you.
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Lena Rothman: she says. I believe the only way forward for the safety and security and futures of everyone in the region is an immediate bilateral ceasefire and a resolute into the conflict based on diplomacy. 594
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Lena Rothman: We urge you to pass the ceasefire.
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Lena Rothman: There are 7 million Jews in Israel, and close to 7 million Palestinians in Israel, Gaza in the west bank
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Lena Rothman: none of those people are going anywhere. They have nowhere else to go. Ultimately the only way forward is together. In some fashion or another this war continues, and more people are killed, the harder and harder their future becomes sharing that letter. We need to move on. But, please, I invite you to send
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Mayor Diana Rich: the letter to us so that it can be distributed to the full city council. Mary Girly, could you please remind us of the email that Lena could use? Lena? If you can send it to Info Sebastoc. 598
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Mary Gourley: I'll go ahead and get it, and forward that to the city council.
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Mary Gourley: Dot gov the info at city of sebastopol.gov. 601
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Lena Rothman: Oh, thank you.
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Mary Gourley: thank you, Lena. Next I will come back to in chambers. If there's anything I'd like to make a public comment on. Item not on the agenda
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Mary Gourley: imposed.
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Kari Svanstrom: Good evening. Esteemed members of the Sebastopol City Council. Distinguished guests and fellow citizens. I'm Colin Brown, a Government relations associate with Gov. Gpt.
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Kari Svanstrom: It's an honor to be here today to introduce you to Gov.

Gpt. An AI based startup in mountain view, California.
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Kari Svanstrom: Gov. Gpt. Is dedicated to revolutionizing city governance through the power of generative artificial intelligence. Our mission is centered around enhancing democratic processes, making them more efficient and attuned to the voices of the community.
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Kari Svanstrom: We offer a range of innovative solutions designed to optimize various aspects of city administration and city citizen engagement.
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Kari Svanstrom: Our products include advanced tools for analyzing public sentiment, facilitating more informed decision, making and enhancing communication between city officials and residents. These solutions are crafted to adapt to the unique needs of each city, ensuring that every citizen's voice is not just heard but also valued.
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Kari Svanstrom: Our technology is about bridging the gap between local government and the community, fostering a more connected and responsive governance model.
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Kari Svanstrom: I look forward to discussing how Gov. Gpt. Can specifically benefit Sebastopol in more detail. Following this meeting I will be reaching out to all of you to potentially schedule individual Demos. If you're interested and answer any questions that, you may have, thank you for this opportunity to present Gov. Gp. And together we can embark on a journey toward smarter, more inclusive governance. I'm excited about the potential collaboration and the positive changes we can bring to our community. Thank you for your time.
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Mary Gourley: Thank you, Colin. Zoom back out to zoom.
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17078248417: Sorry if you public comment, Linda.
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17078248417: Well, that's kind of scary, you know, as though our city government is unresponsive enough.
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17078248417: There's a couple of things I'd like to. But anyway, I just wanna you know, we're talking. Our our infrastructure has come up a couple of times, you know, on the roads and so forth, and they're not in the best condition, as you all know, but I think Sandy Valer said something about 30 million they require. But anyway, here's the thing, you know, right? Just a block from you or so
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17078248417: this project, called Canopy is is, it's in the pipe, it's in the pipeline, and it's coming close, and then they they think if things go well for them. They think they're going to start construction in June of this year. So anyway, the thing is, it is another disaster. I've got my hands on a 700 page impact report, and and our roads just cannot handle like a Heelsberg AV 116. Gravanstein
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17078248417: North cannot handle 6 to 600 to 700 more cars per day.

That's their estimate. 214 tons of dry waste meaning garbage per year 18,000
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17078248417: gallons of sewage per day on our water wells. Their consumption, their estimated consumption, is is 10.3 million gallons of of water per year. It is. It is a just a disaster if anybody reads it. 618
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17078248417: But nobody knows, generally because I think it's by design that that the public is not largely uninformed of these 10 619
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17078248417: pipeline, or are under construction, and you need to take a.

The city council needs to understand the consequences of all this building. So once again, I am asking for a moratorium on building need to slam the brakes on this and start looking at the consequences of the policies that you are passing. Thank you
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Mary Gourley: for your public comment, and next time I'll come back into counsel, Michael.
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Kari Svanstrom: And so, if you ask any fire agency in California, probably across the country, the biggest problem that they have is finding affordable housing for both their paid
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Kari Svanstrom: staff or volunteers, they can't find it. Ask great, and ask any of them right? So when I got off council in 2,021 I met with the owners of Woodmark apartment complexes on Bodega Avenue. 624
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Kari Svanstrom: and Jack Pigeonin and I sat down with the owners, and they agreed to reserve 6 of those apartments at low income, low cost departments
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Kari Svanstrom: for Sebastian firefighters.
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Kari Svanstrom: them to fill up the application to make sure they fit the Median range for the income. And the way I understand it, we have, like 20 new volunteers, or over 20,
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Kari Svanstrom: with Sebastopol fire department that are coming in 20 new guys, and some of them are living at home. So there's no question that they will
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Kari Svanstrom: fit that income bracket. But nobody's done anything. I've talked to the fire department. Jack Picchunini didn't move it, and nobody even knows that this is in in existence. And now I'm seeing it being built. And I'm thinking, man, we are going to miss out on a huge golden opportunity to house our fire department. 6 firefighters within running distance of the station.
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Kari Svanstrom: So if you want me to get involved with it, or you all know how to get a hold of me, and I can give you the contact details of Lauren. Alexander is her name, and you know I can do some follow up on it. But we should really not lose this opportunity, because that is a major major component to S helping our fire department. I mean, that's huge. So thank you.
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Mary Gourley: Mary, can you meet yourself, please?
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mary prisland: Okay, great. Can you hear me? I agree with the previous comment. I also would like the city of Sebastopol to join San Francisco and Qatari and South Africa in a resolution for a ceasefire in Gaza. 633
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mary prisland: Thank you for your time.
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Mary Gourley: Thank you, Mary, for your public comment. Next I will come back into chambers.
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Kari Svanstrom: So I'm gonna make this very brief
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Kari Svanstrom: But I just wanted to inform the Council as well as members of the public that the California Faculty Association, which is the Faculty Union that represents faculty at the Csu, the computer, the California State University system.
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Kari Svanstrom: We'll be going on strike January 20Â s to January 20 sixth.
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Kari Svanstrom: They're looking for fair wage. They're looking for bringing in the lowest paid to faculty members up in terms of their income. They're looking for.
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Kari Svanstrom: you know, safe lactation spaces. They're looking for. 640
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Kari Svanstrom: just having a safe working environment at a fair range. I encourage you to reach out to any anyone that you know in the Csu system.

Not just necessarily faculty, but administrators staff, and then show your support. Again, if you wanna show up and show your support publicly, that'll be great. They're gonna be striking from. So again, January 20, s to January 20 sixth
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Mary Gourley: Thank you, Kyle, for your public comment. 643
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Mary Gourley: Next, go back up to Agenda
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Mayor Diana Rich: to get my attention
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Mary Gourley: further hands raised. I see. Now I'm trying to get my attention.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Thank you very much.
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Mayor Diana Rich: We're actually pretty much on the schedule that I hoped we would be on. We're now going to item Number 10, which is discussion and consideration of 2024 city council, and city staff committee and liaison appointments
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Mayor Diana Rich: just as an overview on that item. I wanna make some general comments. This is a new process, as is described in the staff report that was implemented last year at the behest of our former Mayor, Lisa Hinton.
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Mayor Diana Rich: So this is our second year implementing this process my process as mayor was to accept all of the requests from other city council members, and then, submit my recommendations for the primary and alternate assignments for City Council members. I will note that I did not
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Mayor Diana Rich: So what you have in front of you is is the recommendations that I have made and the the object. The goal here tonight is to have a discussion with the full City Council, and I'll lay out how I'd like to progress with it. But ultimately whatever we end up doing is subject to our approval. So these are recommendations. But it's the same old process we're gonna vote and you know, majority will will carry the day.
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Mayor Diana Rich: My process was to look at all the applications, and when they identify, if there were any overlapping requests. 654
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Mayor Diana Rich: of which there were very few honestly where there were, and otherwise, I simply accepted the request. So you will note as an example we have vice Mayor Zelman, who stepped up to be alternate on a number of different committees. No one else had stepped up to be alternate on those 11
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Mayor Diana Rich: and someone here. If you could identify what page in the packet is that Vice mayor. So that'll be page 4 in the staff. Report.

And it's a one page summary.
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Mayor Diana Rich: I'll be referring that for purpose, referring to that for purposes of this discussion. But please understand that basically, I accepted all requests except in one instance, and in that one page summary you'll see where there were multiple requests. So, for instance, Calcity's Legislative Committee.
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Mayor Diana Rich: we had councilmember Mauer and Council Member Mc.

Lewis, requesting appointment and the appointment that I recommended was to Council Member Mc. Lewis, and that was because Council Member Mc.

Lewis had made very few requests for primary appointment. So that was my call on that, and I would. Rich
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Mayor Diana Rich: that was the Calcity's ledge board.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Okay, so there was that as an example, the other one that I believe.
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Mayor Diana Rich: No, I think. Is anyone aware here on the city council of any other appointments where I made where I chose between, I made a recommendation between 2,
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Mayor Diana Rich: I think that was the only one. So in the in the alternate category. What I did was, I accepted those requests that had been submitted, and then, where there were open
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Mayor Diana Rich: So, moving through this.
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Mayor Diana Rich: we have the open slots just to make sure that we're aware of it. Would be 0 way. Sonoma is the first way one identified as a 5 on this list. 0 way, Sonoma. The alternate is open.
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Mayor Diana Rich: the Ab. 939 local task force. The primary and alternate are open, the Russian river watershed, the primary is still open. There were no requests for that.
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Mayor Diana Rich: If we scoot way down to grabenstein health Action, Coalition, Laguna stakeholders, lantern and Library Advisory Board. There are no alternates appointed recommended, because no one made those requests.
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Mayor Diana Rich: If we scoot down to the senior center, we can see that both, that the primary is open as is the case with Sebastian world friends, and that we have 2 Council members who were interested in the alternate
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Mayor Diana Rich: all the way down E. 11 Climate Action Committee. We can see that there is an open spot for the alternate of one of those 2. So that's where we are with basically the the overall
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Mayor Diana Rich: big view. On this, I will also point out that in terms of primary appointments, what this has at the moment is 7 to myself as Mayor rich, 7 to Council, member to Vice Mayor Solman, 5 to Council member Hinton, 5 to Council member and 5 to councilmember Mcclus. 671
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Mayor Diana Rich: So I have a process that, like I'd like to go through with this, but my first question to everyone would be, when you look at all of this and the names that are here, I'd like to go down the board, and you can let us know, please, if there are any, that you would rather not
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Mayor Diana Rich: You might have changed your mind.
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Mayor Diana Rich: any other. Well, I would like an alternate. 680
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Mayor Diana Rich: And we can come back to you. But if those are your primary, okay,
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Mayor Diana Rich: anyone else next. Okay, Vice Mayor, is Oldman.

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Mayor Diana Rich: But I'm hoping we can do more to advertise that opening, because I think it's a wonderful opportunity for citizens if we have more attention to it, and I think it would be really great if we had 2 citizens doing that, I don't really think we need interrupted in it.

But I think at some point we should just stop it, because there is information on that. So that's my, that's my point
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Mayor Diana Rich: Okay? And I think that's basically it. Your comments at the moment. Okay? And then,
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Mayor Diana Rich: councilmember. Hinton.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: most of these committees at one time or another. So I would like to. II obviously work in the senior industry. So II thought, Okay, being an alternate to the senior center might make sense for me. I don't feel like I could take the commitment of the primary there and with world friends. I'm not sure what the primary full commitment is. I've been the alternate
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I'm happy to
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: They have nights.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Zoom Meetings. Yeah. So how do you know how often they are?
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I don't recall. So it's just yeah. So I'm I'm happy to take that. If no one else wants it. But II would also. I think I signed up for alternate, so I much prefer to stay the alternate on those 2 committees just because I don't wanna let anybody down. I have a pretty busy schedule right now, and I'm also on a very active Sonoma County Fair Board
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Committee that involves a lot of additional meetings in addition to council. So II don't want to spread myself too thin.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Okay,
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Mayor Diana Rich: see?
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): I expressed an interest in this art position, so if I relieved you of that position that might free you up in in for the senior center.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Sure, that'd be great. Great!
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Well, I still don't necessarily want to be primary on Senior Center.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Just because if it's during the day, I just I work out of town, and so even to do the lunch with a May or the lunch with the council members was a big commitment which I've just committed to 2 of those. But if if they need day meetings, it's it's an impossible commitment for me. Monday through Friday. I think it's 40'clock. Yeah, I can barely make it here, so I will not be able to take primary on Senior center.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Okay? So you're happy to take the arts. Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, there you go. So we have, Mary, could you do us a favor and just keep track of these expressions of interest.
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Mayor Diana Rich: so just to summarize where we are right now and then.

Council member, Mcclose. We need to hear from you. Council member, Vice Mayor, is all, and has expressed a willingness to do the 0 waste alternate position.
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Mayor Diana Rich: The Russian river watershed primary. We have council member. Our has expressed a willingness to take that on. Those are both really important the Laguna stakeholders. We're not gonna worry about getting an alternate. We're gonna put na on that one. And then when we get town to Senior Center World friends.
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Mayor Diana Rich: council Member Hinton is still willing to do both of the alternates. We're gonna go up to 7 Arts, where it looks like we're going to substitute Council member, Mount for Council Member Hinton as primary.
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Mayor Diana Rich: And you're comfortable with that councilmember. 721
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Mayor Diana Rich: Actually, could you repeat it?
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Mayor Diana Rich: Sure. So with sub art, my understanding is that we are going to substitute a Council Member Power for Council Member Hinton as primer. Okay.
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Mayor Diana Rich: then, if we could get some comments and input, from Council member, Mc. Lewis, we haven't heard from you.
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wanna commit to something I can't do as far as sub world friends. They know that I can attend all their meetings. So I just report out when it's something important. So that's how we communicate. II mean. So I'm I'm happy to take the primary on that as long as everyone's comfortable with me, continuing it that way, because I just I can't attend all these meetings with
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: with my work commitments as well. So, and if you just want to communicate with me like we did about the other thing, like, if you can't.
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Councilmember McLewis: Then maybe I can as the alternate. So yeah, I mean, basically, I've attended their events. And then their meetings.

They just keep me abreast, and they call me. Send us both emails, then really appropriate. And honestly, I down the road. I hope we can discuss report outs versus everybody going all these meetings. But that's just my thought. But anything else, though.
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Mayor Diana Rich: So thank you. So we have for some best world friends.

We can slide in council. Member Mcclus, Primary and Council Member Hinton. As the alternate
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Councilmember McLewis: so looks like. And obviously you 2 will be working together, and the understanding here is that Council member flows will not necessarily be attending all of those meetings, but I have to point out that these lease on roles are really very individual. I mean, there isn't a requirement. It's it's just what works for the lease on and the and the nonprofit.
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Councilmember McLewis: okay, so what does that leave us with Senior setup Senior Center Senior Center, which is d 9. council member. You're comfortable doing alternative, but not doing so. What I'm hearing. 731
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Mayor Diana Rich: Yes, I cannot attend on a regular basis at 4 pm. But if somebody else would like the position. But
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Mayor Diana Rich: so, as I look at, you're now at
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Councilmember McLewis: lead position.
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Mayor Diana Rich: We have Steven taking on 7. So it's really, I mean, in terms of workload. It's between, you know, I think you guys have to decide. Yeah, what do you feel?
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Mayor Diana Rich: I just agreed to the arts. Alright. And it sounds like I'm gonna be primary again. If you communicate with me. If you can't make it by email.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I'll try to make it work. Okay. So we've got for the senior center.
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Mayor Diana Rich: your zoom as primary and
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Councilmember McLewis: So help me out here. What are we missing? We're back up to the the Climate Action Committee.
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Councilmember McLewis: Yeah. Process.
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Mayor Diana Rich: No, we we can donate, and we don't have any disagreement on that one.
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Councilmember McLewis: Alright that's there. And council member vice Mayor Zelman, do you feel that there was a need for a primary and an alternate?
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Mayor Diana Rich: Okay? So if we can just focus on getting a primary, then we're probably going to be okay there.
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Mayor Diana Rich: If we get a lot of interest, we'll go ahead with it going down to gravity action coalition question for
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Councilmember McLewis: well, let's go to climate action. Maybe that's really the most important. So the Climate Action Committee currently has 2 city council appointees. One is the 0 waste is just by definition.

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Mayor Diana Rich: The second slot for a city Council member is an At large slot.
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Councilmember McLewis: My, I have currently I've been holding that out large slot.
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Mayor Diana Rich: My suggestion? Well, first, I would put it out there, is there anyone specifically interested in picking up that slot? 751
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Mayor Diana Rich: Does I have a proposal if there isn't no okay. So my proposal and we need direction from from Mary Germain on how to navigate this, and perhaps with Kerry swans from the staff on that climate Action Committee is that we eliminate that second at large position on the Climate Action Committee.
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Councilmember McLewis: Any input on that is that something we can do here today as a decision? Or is there a process that needs to be followed? 753
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): I am I just. I have concerns about eliminating a council number from that position.

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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Then what I'm gonna do is I will step council number. I just have some feedback on it, because when the Climate Action Committee was created. 2 positions were
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: unusually slotted. It's not normal for us. To slot 2 counselors
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: positions because current council wanted to fill them. For example, Sarah, like Gurney. So so that is why we got 2 positions and not one which would be normal on a typical committee of this council. And that's why I would be
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: favor of dropping back to one. Because that's kind of our protocol. Okay? And what I'm hearing, though, is some general.
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Mayor Diana Rich: My proposal, then, is that given the comments from Council Member Mara, who is actively on the Climate Action Committee, that perhaps this is a topic that we need to bring back after discussion with the Climate Action Committee. For consideration by the full City Council. But Kerry Swanson, do you have some input on that. 759
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Kari Svanstrom: No, I think a couple of things I know that committee itself has John Jay, associate planner is the main staff to that liaison to that committee at this point, but he and I have conversations, so I know the intent of what's going on. I know they're having also some 760
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Kari Svanstrom: So the committee itself was created by a resolution. That did not talk about, who would all be on the committee that came back at a later time, and I believe was just approved by a minute order. But I do know that the intent of that and the composition was to be somewhat flexible in terms of number of memberships.
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Kari Svanstrom: And so I feel like if if Council II would say it would be nice to have an alternate, because there are items that come up that it's nice to have a council perspective on for things that come to council. 763
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Kari Svanstrom: But now that the climate action framework is completed and adopted, they do have a bit more direction on that. So I think you know, from my perspective, I think certainly a council member. 764
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Kari Svanstrom: possibly an alternate. But I don't think it needs to necessarily have 2 counts numbers at all the meetings. And I think what we've seen last year actually is, is Mayor rich and quite well, actually. 765
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Mayor Diana Rich: So I guess that would be so. I think deferring to Council member is has has proposed to be continuing on the Climate Action Committee. I think we have a couple of alternatives, and I think it'd be useful for all of us to hear what your recommendation would be. One alternative would be that I step up and feel that
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Mayor Diana Rich: open position which I'm willing to do. And then we can initiate a discussion about any change with the Climate Action Committee bring it back to the City Council basically table the discussion. The other alternative is that we go with a primary and an alternate, and that council member and I could be the alternate council member. And I. So I'm gonna ask you for your recommendation.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): So I signed up to continue with this with the belief that there would be 2 council members moving together. So that basically, we're Browning up on issues that the climate committee took to us.
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Mayor Diana Rich: And that's important to me. Okay, otherwise it's just more like a liaison position a little bit. So I'm going to go ahead and volunteer to be in that position, and then it sounds like there might be an opportunity. Bring it back to full city Council discussion. Can we close out. That. Does anyone on the City Council have any? Is everyone here comfortable with that outcome on the Climate Action Committee? For the moment thumbs up.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Thank you. Okay, fine. Alright. So that takes care of that. Going up to the top, I think what we filled in is on 0 waste Council member. Zulman has volunteered to be the alternate, and I want to confirm. No one else was interested in that alternate position. 770
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Mayor Diana Rich: I don't think so. Okay, so that'll be council member Vice Mayor Solomon. 89, 39. We're gonna look for a public map, a member of the public, and we're not gonna get a second slot Russian River waterway. We're looking at Council Member. Now and then we'll go down to gravity, health action under leis on rolls. We do have an open alternate 771
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Councilmember McLewis: for gravity, health, action, and open alternate for lantern and open alternate for Library Advisory Board. I'm respectful of what we're hearing from Council Member Hinton and Council Member Mcclus. Their time is pretty tight, and they're doing as much as they can. I'm looking at the at those positions that others have stepped up, for I'm happy to step in and be alternate on lantern and alternate on the low library Advisory board.
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Mayor Diana Rich: And Health Action coalition. Anyway, everyone. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, thank thank thank. Thank. Thank thank you. Madam Mayor, so unlocked. And again, this is kind of what I discussed with Mary at the beginning of last year. It is in the wind down process. So 773
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Councilmember McLewis: I I'm just kind of there, continued layers on. But if you want to step in case something happens to me. That's great, too, I think on my suggestion, my recommendation. We're going to go down and vote on this is lantern. Let's have counsel, Vice Mayor Zelman as the primary, because he'd like to continue in there as they. And let's do not replicable on the alternate good. Okay? So that puts me in the grab with team health action, alternate slot and library advisory board 774
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Mayor Diana Rich: slot as the alternate.
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Councilmember McLewis: And I think we've got it all worked out. Mary, girly. do you want to go through and summarize for us? Is what I'd like to do is just maybe go through, or shall I?
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Mayor Diana Rich: What would be your
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Mayor Diana Rich: on Sonoma County transportation authority, that is, by definition. Actually, that is, Council Member Hinton and Vice Mayor Solomon. Same with regional Climate Protection Agency. Those are 2 linked, the next one clean power. We have Vice Mayor, Solman, Council member, and I'm doing primary and ultimate
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Mayor Diana Rich: 0 way, Sonoma. We have council member, Mayor, and then Vice Mayor Solomon.
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Councilmember McLewis: Russian River watershed. We have Council member as Primary and council member as alternate.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Next section is the other government agencies. We have a bank which by definition is the mayor as primary, and we have vice Mayor, so many as secondary as alternate of California cities. We have the mayor by definition as primary, and the vice mayor as alternate cal cities legislative account. We have
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Mayor Diana Rich: primary and Vice Mayor Zelman as alternate mayors, council members, association by definition. The mayor, and then the order on alternate is Vice Mayor, then Hinton Denmar, and then, Lewis. It's just alphabetical
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Mayor Diana Rich: stakeholders. We're only filling the primary, and that is council Member lantern, only filling the primary, and that is Vice Mayor Solomon Advisory Board. We have a Council member, Vice Primary and me Diana, rich as alternate
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Mayor Diana Rich: Chamber of Commerce, that is, Council member of Lewis, and then it's Vice Mayor Solman. As the alternate
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Mayor Diana Rich: Seb arts. We have Council Member Mauer as the primary and vice, Mary Solman as the alternate.
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Mayor Diana Rich: the Sebastical Community Cultural Center. We have Council member with Blues, Primary and Council Member Mauer, as the alternate Sebastian Downtown Association. I have recommended, as you see, on the sheet that we eliminate those positions I did confirm with Mariah hope that it has been folded into the Chamber of Commerce any objection to that
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Mayor Diana Rich: the senior center we have.
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Councilmember McLewis: I'm not even sure. Vice Mayor Solomon as primary and Council member in as the alternate Sebast world friends, we have council Member Lewis, Primary and Council member hidden as alternate Communications unit. That's me, Diana, rich as primary Council member Lewis, as alternate
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Mayor Diana Rich: homeless services organizations. That's me as the primary and counsel Vice Mayor Zoomman. As the alternate. 793
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Mayor Diana Rich: with I actually recommending by secure zone as the alternate there
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Mayor Diana Rich: zone. Actually, I'm sorry, recommending unit last with our Vice Mayor Zoom alternate. We continue with Council Member Hinton and Council Member Lewis.
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Mary Gourley: public comment.
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17078248417: because, because there's a lot of room for improvement in the sound for people on Zoom.
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17078248417: Anyway, what I wanna say is, I wanna preface my comment with, just a little bit of clarification that the canopy project that I was referring to. It's a 96 unit monstrosity. It's located. They're planning on clearing out that wonderful old apple orchard behind O'riley.

And so that's where that is located, and it needs to be stopped. 809
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17078248417: And I'm in communication with the project director. And she's a very reasonable, wonderful person. So that said what my comment is also. So I heard, here Diana Rich is once again you know the representative for the Sonoma, Marin
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17078248417: Cincinnati mosquito and vector control
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17078248417: district, which I spent an enormous amount of time dealing with, you know, and and grand jury complaint and and all that. But anyway, it sort of worked. And I got a front page article, you know, after after
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17078248417: over 4 years of a support group for lyme disease, which is an epidemic here, and it's only gotten worse. The point is that Diane Rich, I do not believe that you are doing your your job there. While we were vocal and I was active. We got the the Marin Sonoma vector control to put up billboards regarding lyme disease like 101.
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Mary Gourley: back in the chambers.
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Councilmember McLewis: Yes, I can.
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Kyle Falbo: So I just want to use this, the opportunity to remind this Council that
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Kyle Falbo: the reporting mechanism for these very, very important committee assignments.
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Kyle Falbo: good, regular written reports out to councils that way in the inevitability that we hit 1030, and we aren't able to to accurately schedule, or reporting out from subcommittees or from, you know, other liaison assignments, that there is a nice record of
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Kyle Falbo: your attendance, your participation and and I. And I really wanna look at the Eifa as kind of a an example of what good reporting out might look like.
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Kyle Falbo: I think that we've seen some other reporting out from other the committees that just doesn't provide the level of detail and like specificity about what is actually happening at these meetings. I'd really highly encourage that. We start to see good strong reporting out moving forward from all of these the assignments. Thanks so much. 825
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Mary Gourley: Hey? Thank you, Kyle, for your public comments.

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Councilmember McLewis: I see.
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Councilmember McLewis: Could you please unmute me?
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Mayor Diana Rich: Okay.
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Mayor Diana Rich: thank you very much.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Thank you. Eric, early for coordinating that. And then I want to take a minute to refer to turn to our city manager. He may be interested in contributing.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): not need to help. We don't need to vote.
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Don Schwartz: Yeah, thank you. So there's a couple of things, one that I thought about advanced one that struck me during.
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Councilmember McLewis: So let's meet. One
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Don Schwartz: recommendations minor, one zoom for flood control. We're suggesting we take that and move it from Ght or engineering and move that over to our public works team. That's Phd's suggestion. 835
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Don Schwartz: They also suggested that I'm not sure we have the table right for the Russian River Watershed Watershed Association Top advisory committee to reduce their role or limited their role shifted over to staff. And I call this out
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Don Schwartz: really for 2 reasons. One, I know there's a lot of questions, and to ask for about use of consultants.

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Don Schwartz: And this is a consultant suggested. We make these changes which is going to reduce their fees that they charge. This will save us a few bucks. It's, you know, a drop in the bucket, but we'll take every drop in every bucket we can get to move the cost over to staff time. So I just wanna
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Don Schwartz: call that out. And another
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Councilmember McLewis: thing I'd like to
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Don Schwartz: ask, and I'm sure we can do this. Mary could send me straight up. I'm incorrect here with some staffing changes that we know are coming like to have you allow me to designate or redesignate some of the staff positions here. For covering meetings.
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Don Schwartz: This, we're gonna need some flexibility, and I'd rather not have to come back to the Council each time if I need to substitute one person
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Don Schwartz: for another. So if that's allowable, I'd like the action to include sitting manager discretion on the staff
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Councilmember McLewis: whenever there's a staff name. If we need to make a change for us to do that.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: thank you. And we're referring now to the chart, the full table that's included in the staff report that begins really on page 5.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Correct. This must be staff assignments that are in that table. And I see that council Member Hinton has a question or comment. Yeah, I wanted to just point out, while I'm not the current 846
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: primary representative of Russia watershed. I was a member of that
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: for 5 to 6 years, and was the vice chair of that committee. There are 2 arms to rush over watershed. One is the elected arm, and that's the position that councilmember Nower and Mclas as the alternate fill. And then there's a technical working group that is a staff position that our consultant has filled since we don't have a permanent person. II don't think that.
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Councilmember McLewis: So I'm not sure if you're familiar with that organization. But there are 2.
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Don Schwartz: So in this case, I'm just referring this example to the technical advisory committee. So not not to the board position as we're seeing. Staffing changes
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): happen.
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Don Schwartz: That that's it. We'll just put the most appropriate person that's available in the seat at the time.
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Don Schwartz: I think we'll try and honor this. I think this largely reflects today what makes the most sense. But
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Don Schwartz: any day there's there will be changes in the coming weeks and months. I don't wanna have to go back to the Council for something for staff representation at these meetings. If you could just allow us to have the discretion
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Don Schwartz: to make those changes as we.
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Mayor Diana Rich: So I'm seeing generalize thumbs up on that request from our city manager. Is that correct? So what we'd be saying is that as to any staff assignments that are represented in this full table that begins Agenda Item Number: 4
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Mayor Diana Rich: checking in with the city Council initially is that? And everyone looks to be in support of that. Do you want a formal vote from us on that, or is that? How is that? Only if we need to formalize the action. So
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Mayor Diana Rich: well, I think we might as well marry. Okay. Any other comments from our city manager any other. Alright, and thank you. Council Member Hinton, for for sharing your expertise on the Russian river watershed. So my, yes.
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Mayor Diana Rich: yeah. So yeah. So I'm now looking. I'm no further discussion being asked, so I'm now looking for a motion to approve that lengthy list
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Councilmember McLewis: manager.
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Councilmember McLewis: So please handle
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Mayor Diana Rich: okay, item number 5 and 6
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Mayor Diana Rich: might as well go through them in order number 5 is approval of Sebastol walks 2,024 program for city sponsorship. 865
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Mayor Diana Rich: This was pulled by me. And
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Mayor Diana Rich: I have some comments and council member. Mara council member, Mara, would you like to make some comments? Okay, so. 867
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Mayor Diana Rich: And the reason for pulling this was 2 fold. One is 2 request that the 3 council members who are leading walks, and those would be me, and Councilmember Hinton and Vice Mayor Solomon. 868
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Mayor Diana Rich: consider inviting the remaining Council Members Council Member Mauer and Council Member Mcclus to co-lead to officially co-lead, not to join the walks, but to co-lead their walks.
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Mayor Diana Rich: The purpose there is to make sure that in terms of our participation from all council members we provide an equal opportunity for all council members to participate. So that's the first piece, and so I'd ask for consideration of that proposal, and I would lead on that in inviting
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Mayor Diana Rich: councilmember, mayor and council member to join me on the particular walk that I am scheduled to lead, and I think it would help everyone to know what the heck that walk was. So I am leading the businesses with the behind the businesses tool.
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Mayor Diana Rich: and I'll pull up the the agenda item. But if anyone else has. Oh, there it is. Okay. So I am leading the march. 872
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Mayor Diana Rich: 30 businesses behind the scenes
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Mayor Diana Rich: walk, and these all start at a meet at 9 Am. I think it is at the Plaza, and usually are done by noon. I would be happy to invite either of our council members to join me as poly in that walk. 874
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Mayor Diana Rich: I see. Council. Member. Okay. Sorry. Okay. The walk that is led by council, member by Vice Mayor. Zolman. Remind me what date that is? Vice versa. November. Okay, so that would be November 30. Again, a Saturday at 9, and that was nonprofit. Sebastopol
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Mayor Diana Rich: is that one that you would be willing, Vice Mayor, to have someone co-lead with you. Absolutely. Okay, either of 876
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Mayor Diana Rich: okay. So we've got we've got Council Member Mauer interested in co-leading, and then the final walk is Council Member Hinton's Walk, which I think is that great? I walk, ie. 877
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Do you wanna do it with me. Sure. So Jill and I'll lead it, and other council members are welcome. I've co-led this walk for the last 2 years, and I created it, I think, about 5 years ago.

And so it's a favorite, and I have my list of restaurants, old favorites, and new discovery. So
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Mayor Diana Rich: I'll co-lead with councilmember Mcluwas, and we'll probably add a chocolate shop and and then anybody can join, of course.

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Mayor Diana Rich: the request here would be to direct, as a condition of sponsorship, that the Sebastol Walks Flyer, be edited asap to reflect those Co lead roles, not just as someone who's joining, but it would be leaders. And then the names of the leaders.
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Mayor Diana Rich: everyone. Okay with that. And then I think there's a final piece council member.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Yeah. So to update supplier to include the co-leaders. And then in the future, just to be sure that all council members are invited to lead, so that it's equitable. 882
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): unless it was just the mayor being invited to leave. But
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): so that's our request for the future.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Yeah, I will say that I've made this request in the past. And
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: and how I got the situation solved was to offer co-leaders because they feel like
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: on their side that they are a nonprofit group, and that it's really hard to include their entire group and also have 5 of us with separate walks. So that that is how we did the coleader 3 years ago, I think. And that's when Diana and Euna joined to be on the food walk when
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: they weren't
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: part of the organization. I'll just say so. I just wanna
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: say that we have had this discussion with the walks group before, and that is the feedback we've gotten, and might just take some more advanced coordination with us to make sure that we do some Co leads because it comes around every year
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Mayor Diana Rich: and we could certainly send that feedback. But II wanna I wanna give the feedback from the group as well. Yeah, I think what we'd be doing as a city council. My proposal was would be that we are making this a condition of sponsorship.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: If they want the city to sponsor this walk, then, at the outset
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: they need to reach out to all the city council members, and that might mean that we're not saying that they have to give us 5 walks, but that there would be a Co lead offer. May I mean, I think that's what we're. It's a form. Is that acceptable to everyone? 893
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Okay, anything else? If you would like to come here, I will do your business as well. He didn't want to do it by yourself. I'll do with you, or you can do it on your own up to you.

Okay.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: all accept that offer? Why not? 895
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Mayor Diana Rich: There you go. Awesome. Okay? Okay? So so then, we've had some discussion public. We need to go out to the public on this item, and then we'll come back.
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Kyle Falbo: Yes, I do.
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Kyle Falbo: Okay. So the one thing I just wanna mention regarding this particular event being city sponsored is that I really hope that the city can keep
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Kyle Falbo: along the lines of the food, wear ordinance 900
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Kyle Falbo: that the city passed
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Kyle Falbo: in 2022, that ordinance requires very specific regarding usable utensils for food non, basically 0 ways. As our as policy is stated. So it would be my hope, especially with Council Member land walks.
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Kyle Falbo: that we're actually upholding the ordinance that we, as a body, have enacted for those walks. Thanks so much.
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Mary Gourley: Wendy, please
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Mary Gourley: can you hear us?
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17078248417: Can you hear me. Yes, we can hear you, Linda. 909
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17078248417: You know you're kind of garbled as the you know, I'm not getting good audio from you. But anyway, so here's what I have to say. So again, I'd like to mention that.
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17078248417: event. I used to love those walks. I went on them all the time and and I met some really wonderful people there. I and I did it until I could no longer do it because of the
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17078248417: levels of radiation and my sensitivity to it. You know where I was developing nosebleeds from people's cell phones, and the other wireless radiation, and also a massive migraines from from being around the same thing. So I'm once again suggesting that it would be really interesting to have somebody lead a wok to point out, you know, like the the Omega, the
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17078248417: Major Macro cell towers. We've got 4 of them throughout the city. And and it'll raise the consciousness about the harm and danger from man-made pulse, electromagnetic fields.

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17078248417: frequencies, the energy, radiation and and signals, which is only getting worse, and our cancer rates are just going sky high. And of course.
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17078248417: big calls for the most calls for our fire department are medical calls, you know, 60% of our medical calls. So anyway, 917
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Mary Gourley: Another interesting walk that I would recommend is that some of the people come over here and meet the residents of the Rv.

Village. You know, my neighbors for the last 2 years I can guarantee they're very interesting group, and it was 2Â min
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17078248417: about your fellow residents.
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Mary Gourley: Thank you. Thank you for another comment. 922
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Mayor Diana Rich: and motion any further discussion.
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Mayor Diana Rich: No, okay. So I'm gonna take a shot at the motion, because I think, and council member, Mayor, do you wanna take? Do you wanna pull together the motion you've been tracking, so I will move that we rebot we
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): approved the walk schedule for 2024, with all revisions.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Council, Member Mc. Lewis will be walking on the day Council Member Hinton and Council Member Maur will be walking with
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): there, which.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): and Vice Mayor Zulan. 929
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): and that ask for an updated flyer to be circulated with those names inserted. and that we request with a feature that all council members be invited to do the walk. 930
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): That's my question. 931
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Mayor Diana Rich: Okay, any comments from Staff before we vote? 932
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Okay, my comments?
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Mary Gourley: Oh, sorry.
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Don Schwartz: Okay, and that is, do you want on the last part of the motion? Do you want to make that condition about all council members invited to participate that can future condition of city sponsorship. So it's not an ask. It's a requirement for city sponsorship. Thank you that clarification.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Thank you very much. So we have a motion looking for a second. Okay, great. Very good
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: council member.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): I'm sorry.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Excellent, thank you very much. The next item is Number 6, which, pulled by Vice Mayor Zulan. That is, approval of new sculptures 941
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): for community sculpture garden. So we'll turn it over to you vice Mayor? Vice Mayor. So yes, thank you, Madam Aaron. So in an effort to kind of keep things moving along, I sent 2 questions to Kerry, and, as indicated before, she answered one of them, I think it's just an oversight on that, not answering the other way, as we all know things that are free are always, I think, voting council member. I'll make Louis on that.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Things that are free usually are always free, and in particular, for this. I think I got that right, anyway.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): I I'm very appreciative of those people volunteering their sculptures think it's great, but as we learn it as a member of the public pointed out, earlier things break, and then when they break, and whose responsibility is it
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): to fix it so that it doesn't create a public nuisance, which I did agree with her, because once she submitted photographs really bad. So I want to know
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): from Harry what the public works.

Time is involved, entire process like, if something breaks because they have to monitor installation, it's like, now they want to physical Agenda Item Number: 4
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prices. I really wanna be mindful of what hours we're invoking for various staff.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): and she answered that back that she thinks that the pack members do most of the logistics public works usually has a day to assist with installations likely an hour or 2, a planning staff time.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): But that doesn't really cover the first question, which is as indicated who's responsible for the cost of 948
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): grounding sculptures, and if Heaven forbid! They break, as has happened in the past, who's responsible for fixing it so it doesn't become a hazard. So those are my 2 questions. 949
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Kari Svanstrom: Sure. Thank you. Vice Mayor Zelman. So the we do have in our call that any damage to the sculptures is
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Kari Svanstrom: the responsibility of the sculptor to fix. 951
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Kari Svanstrom: Obviously, most people are just wouldn't want someone else fixing their piece any, anyway? And that, you know, there's no liability to the city if if it does break and yes, we did have that happen with a couple of sculptures last year. Happy to say, after that the rest of them have been in place without any issues. 952
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Kari Svanstrom: Since then. That would continue to be the play the case here. When those damages did happen?
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Kari Svanstrom: I actually an email from one of the pack members, one of our committee members and asked them to contact the artist. They actually, you know, we met today to finalize at our public art meeting. 954
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Kari Svanstrom: they we finalize the 4 sculptures locations where they would be on the pads. The pack chair is actually working with contacting all of the sculptors in terms of the time they need, and so figuring out Agenda Item Number: 4
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so that it's condensed so that public works only needs to be out there for the
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Kari Svanstrom: 2 or 3Â h minimal time.
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Kari Svanstrom: Understanding that. Obviously, this is a concern. And I also want to respect our public works staff. They do a lot of hard work.

So if something yeah, when it was when something was damaged last time it was the pack committee member staff was alerted. But it was really the committee member contacting the artists and the artists dealing with it. 957
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Kari Svanstrom: So it is fairly minimal. We do have they actually paid for this for new sculpture paths that are out there that are installed, that they're proposing these sculptures for out of the park the Public Art Fund, which, just to remind you all is a development impact fee to certain commercial development into a restricted fund that 958
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Kari Svanstrom: can only be used for public art. And so this is not, does not affect the general fund at all in that way.
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Mayor Diana Rich: the public.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): for like it seemed like weeks. So it's in their contract that if the sculptures have to do it, then they have like, how much time? 24Â h, whatever to remedy the nuisance. 961
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Kari Svanstrom: Yeah, I think there is. There isn't a specified time. Our pack actually talked about having a more specifics this time. I go around, since it is a learning process. And so we could certainly specify a set amount of time.
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Councilmember McLewis: The sculpture. I'm thinking of the the Rebar one was fixed, and then it was red damage, and so there was a little. And that's that's something. I that Rebar was like that for a couple of weeks, which I saw. It's concerning to me to have rebar in a park I mean any one following on that could be in Pam.
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Councilmember McLewis: I mean, it's just so. That was a concern of mine.

And then can you clarify for me? Isn't it? It's public works 964
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Councilmember McLewis: that installs all of the the the so they assist the artists. But the artists. So I know, actually. And how much time does that take because of my recollection when I talk to someone that they had to put staff in there to not doing any more maintenance on that at all, or like they're not. There's no time from them whatsoever. 965
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Kari Svanstrom: as noted. They will be there probably about half a day, as usually 2 people half a day worthy on the day of the installation. 3 of the sculptures will require assistance because of the weight and size of them the 2 10 foot ones, and the marble one, which is, you know, couple of 100 pounds.
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Councilmember McLewis: the other one will not require assistance, it'll be installed by the artists entirely concern. Where's the liability? Why. 967
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Councilmember McLewis: it's our part. But do we have some sort of contract with them or like, how does that work? Because I'm seriously I mean, you know, I was worried about someone following on that because I have a friend permanently disfigured from that. So in in a continuous problem. So, as
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Kari Svanstrom: you know, responsible for the city here, I like better understand that right, and I'm happy to say we do not have any rebar sculptures. I do. I do understand that. There was a lag because the artists was traveling at the time, but I totally understand the concern.

We do have them sign the volunteer waiver release of liability kind of stuff for this.
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Kari Svanstrom: But yeah.
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Kari Svanstrom: very strong waiver.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: So this sounds like an issue that needs to be inquired into further in terms of liability and the cost involved. I'm Agenda Item Number: 4
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not sure how to handle that. This may be a future question in terms of the sculptures they've already been approved.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: They're scheduled to be installed. I'm wondering if there's a resolution here that would work for everyone that would allow the installation of these sculptures, and maybe bump it back to our city manager and staff
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): to come back to the City Council with recommendations and advice regarding this, the future treatment, I thought, I'm not alright because I share council members. Louis is concerned, and the fact that, allowing these things on our own property.

So, being a personal entry attorney that brings up a lot of issues for me as far as liability, I want to do a nice thing. At the same token we are working.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: We are financially, and I'm not ready to set us up for liability manager. Perhaps with the city attorney 975
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: weighing in because we need some idea of what we should do in this particular situation.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I think the question is, is there a path forward that would allow approval of these sculptures. With some future assessment of a policy moving forward, or we're hearing some serious concern from at least 2 City Council members that they aren't even interested in approving this sculpture project. Now, I think that's what I hear. Correct. So where do we go?
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Councilmember McLewis: So
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Don Schwartz: I guess it's a matter of how conservative do you want to be, and the most conservative
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Don Schwartz: and work on? And that probably would be my recommendation. 980
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Don Schwartz: On, on. How we ought to handle this is is, take it back.

Let's do some homework. Come back to you. If we need to consult with Public Arts Commission on that. Then
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Don Schwartz: then we'll leave. I think we at least need to inform them.

But.
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Don Schwartz: we'll take a look at that
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Don Schwartz: coverage also mentioned that we are fully covered by our insurance
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right?
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Kari Svanstrom: I can respond to that because these are all being through loan to the city at no cost. There is no insurance required by the artists for the sculptures in this case. And so this that would be a obviously financial
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Kari Svanstrom: component for them if that were to happen. 987
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Don Schwartz: What kind of hours that all of that case? Because it's 988
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: yeah. I feel like I got a way in. I mean. 989
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I understand liability. And there was a problem.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: But I also think the arts really important, like, I walked down there a lot. We're always like, Oh, we wanna walk by.

They are sculptures.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: So
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Councilmember McLewis: I mean, it's partly
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: enjoyment of our community, too. And this is a big project. We launch it. We have not our other big project. Even the net comp. Thing. I don't even know where that these days. So 994
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: I don't want to be sued. But, on the other hand, it would seem like we have the city attorney right on payroll here that could write a little contract that says.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Hey, to cover us and call our insurance company make sure we're covered from a liability standpoint. 996
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: II just don't wanna say no, I guess. I understand. Maybe we've kinda let it get loosey goosey. But can we just type in that up and approve it?
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Don Schwartz: We could write a contract that would require the liability be assumed by the artists that contract in real life would only be as good as the financial ability of that particular artist. 998
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: So I just I just feel really passionate about it. I don't want to go down this
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Councilmember McLewis: road all the way. Can't we just tighten things up right? I mean, I don't know. I hear you, but I don't wanna take the art of it.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Councilmember.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): I agree with the Council member hitting the and just wanted to thank the Public Arts Committee. They put Agenda Item Number: 4
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in a lot of time and effort into this, and probably some money has been invested in it, and understanding the city's insured.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): I think the arts are an enhancement to our city, and I would like to see them move forward. 1003
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Mayor Diana Rich: So my question, I'm sorry. Did you finish so my question. One is liability and potential financial implications for the city. But the other concern that I'm hearing is a concern about 1004
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: and wasn't dealt with as quickly as it should have been commitment to the community from my perspective. Is there a way on
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Don Schwartz: liability? 2 questions?
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: How could we deal with?
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: languishing and unrepaired? 1009
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Sure, like. I said, it was repaired once the second time the artist was out of town. We did have another our piece of damage. She came the very next day. And I think just
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Kari Svanstrom: our public, our community today talked about a of a loan agreement which would be the the agreement loan are to the city, and what that all means, you know to your timeframe.
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Kari Svanstrom: The responsibility of
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Kari Svanstrom: promptly addressing any damage to sculpture, I think, could very easily, you know, with the set.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: 2448Â h could certainly be added to that phone agreement. Well, and I think my question would be, is there a backup option? Because what are the consequences? Is there option we have? We have a item that's creating potential danger on our city property. Honestly, ours is out of town, and there's been no arrangement, and it's sitting there for 48Â h.
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Kari Svanstrom: Right? We did so we did discuss a very similar which was, you know, at the end of the loan. When we're out they're asked to remove it. In this case, it's removal in a very time structured way that needs to be reviewed within 60 days.
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Kari Svanstrom: that could obviously for a broke damage. 48Â h and if they don't remove it, you know, basically abandon it, then it becomes the property, the city and the city can do. What's that? Whatever wants? And so we certainly just
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: put that in for so that would be my proposal in terms of moving forward with this, can we? Add that in as a specific condition, even if we tonight and in terms of liability. 1017
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Don Schwartz: I don't.
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Don Schwartz: That's why for these similar
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Don Schwartz: insurance.
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Kari Svanstrom: So
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Councilmember McLewis: okay, got it. Council member.
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Mayor Diana Rich: you know, I think the answer may have been that we didn't really have the authority to remove the sculpture. One, I think the art, the artist in that case is said. I'm going to be back in town next week. I can deal with. I can deal with that
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Mayor Diana Rich: very much in favor. I am very much supportive. The art the the the artwork, I think with procurement personally is the artists make their sculptures available for free to the city and install them, and with that effort in, and the citizens group approves it and goes through the process. And what the city does on its part is access liability which is inherited art.
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Mayor Diana Rich: okay. So I don't think we're going to get out of that liability to decide to have any artists taking on a liability because anyone centered is gonna turn to the city regardless from the practical perspective.
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Councilmember McLewis: I do think that. And I don't require that the removed
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Councilmember McLewis: within a very limited amount of time. 48Â h. if and then, if it is not that a public works is free to remove it 1027
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Mayor Diana Rich: and take possession of it.
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Councilmember McLewis: And would that be removed or repaired to a safe state? Because I think it would be removed or repaired depending on the staff if it's gonna cost a lot of money, maybe not.
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Mayor Diana Rich: I mean, it's a artist's obligation, right? 1030
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Councilmember McLewis: and then the other condition would be that that liability. So then we can determine whether going forward this public city council wants to take on.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): So that's my thoughts, anyone. And we still, I just like to add that that Public Arts Committee would ensure that these
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): our piece are secure. 1033
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): I mean, who's who's any user that they're secure? I mean, I would hope that
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): that is actually part of the installation day. We have both. What we have. Public are people who have done this curators before. Who are making the arrangements and making sure the artists knows the logistics of how to secure it to the pad. How to make sure it doesn't, you know, like that.
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Kari Svanstrom: And we talked about it today that 2 of these are triangle pieces right? And the other is they're doing a site built complete block 1036
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Kari Svanstrom: with.
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Mayor Diana Rich: you know, adhesive. And then the the other piece is anchored to that, and so it can't be over kind of top with very much 600 pounds, and we have had our building official review in the past as well where appropriate.
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Don Schwartz: Okay, so go ahead, Vice Mayor.
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Don Schwartz: So in the past, the public works has provided their time for free. But I think that is something that we, you know we do have budget for in the public art fund where we could cover that staff time 1040
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Don Schwartz: in the past. It's been provided for free. And is that how it is right now? So? And is there something we need to do to ensure it's coming out of that phone. The staff time for installation of these sculptures come out of the Public art committee phone
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Don Schwartz: and someone seconded it. I think
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Kari Svanstrom: artists to address any concerns
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Kari Svanstrom: or
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Don Schwartz: city can intervene up to and including removal to ensure public safety, are full discretion.
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Don Schwartz: regardless related to this, is to be charged the public art fund.
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Kari Svanstrom: II think that's that's what I'm hearing. I think it's the action
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Councilmember McLewis: that's fine.
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Councilmember McLewis: Given our Si financial situation, I mean, I love her. I go to museums all over the world. But at the same time 1049
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Councilmember McLewis: we have a finance problem. So we need people to finance their homes.
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Mayor Diana Rich: you know. Okay, so I think I'm not sure where we are in terms of promotion. We don't know we have to go.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Mary. If you could handle that, that would be great. 1052
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Kari Svanstrom: please.

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Don Schwartz: yeah. So this is for public comment, Kyle, can you unmute yourself?
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Kyle Falbo: Yes, I can.
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Don Schwartz: Yes, I can. Sure. I really appreciate the conversation tonight about cities the Council is concerned about liability. 1056
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Kyle Falbo: I think. As we move in with city management. That further discussion about city liability, I hope, comes to the forefront. Be my hope that city could be more forthcoming
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Kyle Falbo: with any sort of civil litigation that the city might face. 1058
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Kyle Falbo: Make those things. I know. I understand that there's kind of a quiet period during civil litigation, but historically, we have not been very forthcoming with litigation that we've experienced in the city. 1059
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Kyle Falbo: And I'd like to see that change
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Kyle Falbo: like to make sure that our city re re looks at who the city's representative is on that body. We've had some change and staffing in the last few months, and it'd be might be a good time to see who it is that would be best served on that body representing our city. 1062
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Kyle Falbo: to perform that day. So it's hopefully not be paying outside city bands to perform for any sort of ceremony celebrating these statues.

But it was very clear on that date that those rebar statues we're we're not gonna survive and be my hope that there'll be some greater oversight as to the structural integrity of any sort of sculpture that we have in our city. Thanks.
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Don Schwartz: thank you.
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Don Schwartz: Sculpture.
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Don Schwartz: Linda. Can you unmute yourself? Please
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Don Schwartz: go ahead.
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17078248417: echo chamber. It's not not clear at all. But in any event I am. I wanna make a comment, and I'm I'm planning on tying it into liability and art.
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17078248417: This is how I'm gonna do it. you know the
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17078248417: recipe project that I mentioned behind
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17078248417: their estimates that put 6 700
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17078248417: fires on Heelsburg Avenue where we've already. And speaking of liability we've already had an accident which a 15 year old girl was barely killed because the sun is in the eyes
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17078248417: project needs to be stopped because of the liability that that the city would have in the ongoing lawsuits. But anyway, the art part is an alternative use of that wonderful space behind O'reilly building the orchard there I see it as a possible. We need open space, and I'm thinking it could be a wonderful
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17078248417: art art garden, a huge, wonderful art garden for lots and lots of sculptors.
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17078248417: that's what might be like Paradise Ridge.
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Councilmember McLewis: thank you, Linda, for your public comment. And again, this is our public comment. This sculpture.
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Don Schwartz: Oliver. Can you unmute yourself, please?
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Oliver: Yeah, you just allow me to unmute. Hi, yes, very quickly. I said this on a previous discussion of this I think we should be renting out those things to artists.
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Oliver: it's the art center. It should be a destination. It's questionable to me that we have a closed committee deciding what art should be on display there, I mean, I'll be candid. I don't think much of that is any good. So I don't think it's particularly great advert for our city.
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Oliver: with that quality of art. So I don't. I mean, you could literally have an international competition and have rented spaces for sculptors to show the work for 3 months of the time, and actually make this a serious endeavor. But right now, this just seems like something very difficult in our part, because there's so many things in there right now that we have all the 8
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Oliver: I'm not seeing. I'm seeing. My impression of this is that we're ignoring some of the bigger issues going on in the city and focusing on kind of windows racing. So I think that's my core concern. Then, just before I go, it's very, very hard on Zoom today what's going on? I'm afraid it's terrible like going. And some people you just can't hear at all. So it's been a real struggle. Thank you. That's my comment. 1094
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Mary Gourley: Thank you.
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Don Schwartz: Approval.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: That would be
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Don Schwartz: Hmm
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Don Schwartz: so conditions.
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Councilmember McLewis: motion passes. You. Then.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): thank you very much. And I think we're actually gonna get.
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Councilmember McLewis: I think we're actually gonna get to our final 2 items. That would be the city manager and our city clerk reports. Thank you for that.
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Don Schwartz: So I'll just briefly add to some of the comments I made at the beginning. First.
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Don Schwartz: what I've identified is this initial set of priorities which does tend to change day to day since I haven't been that many days yet, but I sort of have one for each day so far. Finances trying to get a better handle on that I mentioned earlier the Enterprise fun, finances we're working on that we're talking to Raftel's tomorrow. 1109
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Don Schwartz: Fire consolidation or not. Trying to deep dive deeply into that
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Don Schwartz: favorite negotiations will be coming up soon. And that's also time to see finances
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Don Schwartz: 6 weeks we heard earlier tonight, ensuring are doing all we can to support the proper closure of the horizon shine
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Don Schwartz: project. So those are. The
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Don Schwartz: I think about those is tier one activities. I hope they line what you have in mind. That's what I'm trying to spend, spend the time with focus and always trying to bring the values of integrity, fiscal responsibility, and collaboration to everything
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Don Schwartz: that we do, and trying to make that present visible in front of the staff.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Great. Thank you very much for that. Any comments, questions, and Nope sounds fabulous to me. Yeah. So that's a really easy short list.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): okay, thank you very much. And now we are at Council member reports. Yes, thank you, Madam Mayor. So on December 20, first, the Ifd meeting December 28, another Eif meeting, January Threerd January review then budget, hearing, then another meeting, and on
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): in the day is that my very first public policy orientation, which was fact. So basically, I'm sitting around with other people throughout the State talking about ways to in dire times. Still have, you know.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): links out there that are good and appealing to the citizens. And another with Donna our mayor. Then on January eighth was the library Anna meeting and I chair. And we continue to talk about what the Administration had provided for us the month before, which is basically fundraising.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): Okay?
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Mayor Diana Rich: Sure go for it.
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Councilmember McLewis: Well, so Member and I have been doing fire ad committee meetings, lots of them.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: firefighters. That's Fast Fire Department, for with the introduced that the city manager and
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: and took questions and heard Feedback from him for about 3Â h.
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: Yeah, and so we have,
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: and and I will be leaving on vacation. But they have another upcoming ad hoc committee meeting. So we are moving towards our agenda date of February twentieth for a report out and trying to get all the eyes dotted and the t's crossed
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Councilmember Neysa Hinton: this month there was no Sta. Rcpa meeting.

The next meeting is scheduled for February.
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Councilmember McLewis: and that's about it.
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Councilmember McLewis: Yeah. So december eighteenth, we had recology meeting the nineteenth. We had fire ad hoc. December 20. First, another ad hoc meeting. I as Council Member Hinton said. We've met with both Wool Ridge, Grayton, and our fire department for many hours at a time. 1136
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Councilmember McLewis: On the eighth I spent 9Â h in meetings here for the city with recology, and then meeting regarding the ad hoc, and then also another fire ad hoc meeting and then attending the great and fire department board meetings, and then also the Gold Bridge Board meetings to just better just to collect as much information as possible. So we have
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Councilmember McLewis: we city manager and I are going to be meeting with a few firefighters volunteer firefighters here in Sebastopol who asked to meet with us. So we're gonna meet with them this week. And then we do another fire ad hoc committee on Thursday. So we are.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): It's a lot of time. But it's great.

Okay, thank you very much, and not very much interesting. Thanks. Report.

Budget, committee, recology and did meet with the senior center director.

The new director there, Katie Davis.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): And then today I attended a round table. I don't know if it was a round table.
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): It was through the Cal cities, and they had Daniel Paras. He's the mayor Fowler, and he's also the city manager of Orange Co. Dual role. It was a really interesting talk with him. Very inspiring. And so
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): II think, will be coming out with some reports
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Vice Mayor Stephen Zollman (he/him): hopefully next time, as well as the Budget meeting for next next meeting.
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Mayor Diana Rich: 4 or 5 committees, anyway. I met on December twentieth with as neighborhood and Sebastian communications unit with Victor L.

Stand green and are then internal. Chief Bruce Martin talked about outcomes, work
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Mayor Diana Rich: pulling together a specific plan for completing the needed steps to make all of our neighborhood communications units their hubs throughout the community operational including equipment for a possible mobile unit that could go anywhere in town. To communicate through gmrs, which is the backup plan to ham radio
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Mayor Diana Rich: West County Community services. Our police officers, the city manager, an organization called solutions that actually operated them as a courtesy to us on those 2 nights. And then also with local advocates that discussion about what formal policy would look like is moving forward? What the ultimate end resulting that'd be brought before the city council.
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Mayor Diana Rich: So at the moment our approach to these warming center needs until those pieces are resolved is to rely on our police department to transfer to open shelters. If there's a need, any input on that to the manager. Did I capture that correctly?
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Mayor Diana Rich: uniglasses activities and all the other West County community services, homeless service provider issues in general. Marin, Sonoma, mosquito vector and control district had a regular meeting on January tenth, and there have been where they talked about budget issues and facility expansion. And I have 2 words for you.
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Mayor Diana Rich: One work is protected wetland wetlands. I know that's

2. The other one is tiger salamander. So they're having some challenges in terms of their facility expansion.
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Mayor Diana Rich: Then, multiple meetings as that organization is recording for a new director.
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Mayor Diana Rich: And finally, just in my mayor duties, I was thrilled to attend the cinema district ribbon cutting for admin services. What a great event. And also to work on these committee recommendations. That was a major effort, and that's all. Is there anything else? 1159
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Mayor Diana Rich: Mary? Well, communications received.
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Don Schwartz: And then in future city meeting dates.
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Mayor Diana Rich: So next items are communications which communications and then the anything we need to do with future city meeting dates. Mary, girl.
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RESOLUTION NO. XXXX-2024

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL CALIFORNIA, ADOPTING ACTION

MINUTES AS THE OFFICIAL FORMAT OF THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL WHEREAS, the City Clerks Association of California recommends that local agencies transition to action minutes, noting that they are time-efficient, succinct, cost-effective, and more appropriately aligned with the intent of applicable government codes for meeting minutes; and WHEREAS, on February 6, 2024, the City Council discussed and authorized staff to transition from verbatim/almost verbatim meeting minutes to action minutes for City Council meetings; and WHEREAS, on February 6, 2024, the City Council approved use of action minutes for Commission, Board and Committee meetings; and
WHEREAS, on February 6, 204, the City Council authorized amendment of the City’s records retention program to retain City meeting videos on the Cit website for three years (versus the current one year) as well as maintain DVD Media for three years, or until such time media type is no longer available or supported, whichever is first.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the City Council of the City of Sebastopol, Adopts the use of action minutes as the official format of the City of Sebastopol and amendment to the City Records Retention Policy.

This Resolution shall become effective immediately.

PASSED AND ADOPTED, by the CITY COUNCIL of THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL, COUNTY OF SONOMA, of STATE OF CALIFORNIA on this 6th day of February, 2024.

I, the undersigned, hereby certify that the foregoing Resolution was duly adopted by the City of Sebastopol City Council by the following vote:

VOTE:

Ayes:

Noes:

Absent:

Abstain:

APPROVED: Mayor Diana Rich
ATTEST: Mary Gourley, Assistant City Manager/City Clerk, MMC APPROVED AS TO CONTENT AND FORM: Larry McLaughlin, City Attorney Agenda Item Number: 4
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