Sebastopol City Council
April 21, 2026

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City Council Interim City Manager
Mayor Jill McLewis Mary Gourley
Vice Mayor Sandra Maurer [email protected]
Councilmember Phill Carter
Councilmember Neysa Hinton
Councilmember Stephen Zollman

CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
MINUTES FOR MEETING OF April 7, 2026
As Approved by the City Council at their regular meeting of April 21, 2026.

CALL TO ORDER: Mayor McLewis called the meeting to order 6:00 p.m.

ROLL CALL:

Present: Mayor Jill McLewis Attended Remotely Per Brown Act Requirements Vice Mayor Sandra Maurer
Councilmember Phill Carter
Councilmember Neysa Hinton
Councilmember Stephen Zollman

Absent: None
Staff: Interim City Manager Mary Gourley
City Attorney Alex Mog
Administrative Services Director Kwong
Interim Planning Director Jane Riley, 4Leaf
Police Chief McDonagh
Public Works Director Hart
SALUTE TO THE FLAG: Mayor McLewis led the salute to the flag.

REMOTE PARTICIPATION UNDER AB 2449 (IF NEEDED): To consider and take action on any request from a Council Member to participate in a meeting remotely due to Just Cause or Emergency Circumstances pursuant to AB 2449 (Government Code Section 549539(f)). Assembly Bill 2302 (2024) (“AB 2302”) revises rules for when members of local legislative bodies may participate in meetings remotely. Specifically, it amends the number of meetings that may be attended remotely for just cause and under emergency circumstances and clarifies the definition of the term “meeting,” for purposes of remote attendance. AB 2302 caps the number of remote meetings a member can attend each year based on the frequency of a legislative body’s meetings: Five meetings per year for those meetings twice a month.

None.

LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: The City of Sebastopol acknowledges that we live and work within the unceded ancestral homelands of the Southern Pomo and the Coast Miwok people. We pay our respect to the past, present, and future generations of these peoples, including the Federated Indians of Graton Rancheria.

City of Sebastopol History Acknowledgement presented by Mayor McLewis.

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PROCLAMATIONS/PRESENTATIONS/INTRODUCTIONS:

The following were presented:
• Sexual Assault Awareness Month
• WOTYC Proclamation - (Week of the Young Child)
• NPST Week - (National Public Safety Telecommunicators Week) • MOVES Proclamation - (Children's Memorial Day) 4th Friday • National Library Week Proclamation
Reference Order Number: 2026-086
STATEMENTS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST: Conflicts of interest may arise in situations where a public official deliberating towards a decision, has an actual or potential financial interest in the matter before the Council. In accordance with state law, an actual conflict of interest is one that would be to the private financial benefit of a public official, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A potential conflict of interest is one that could be to the private financial benefit of a Councilmember, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A Councilmember must publicly announce potential and actual conflicts of interest, and, in the case of actual conflict of interest, must refrain from participating in debate on the issue or from voting on the issue and must remove themselves from the decision.

Councilmember Carter stated he is on the WESCO Board and not of paid service.

City Attorney Mog explained the rules related to conflict and stated Councilmember Carter disclosed his position.

There were no stated conflicts of interest.

PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA (FIRST COMMENT PERIOD):
• Up to Twenty (20) Minute Time Limit (Two Minutes for up to ten speakers). • Additional public comment will be held at the end of the discussion and action items for up to an additional twenty (20) minutes. • Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers.
• Process for calling on Speakers: Mayor or designee shall ask for public comment as follows: Speakers to be called on in an alternate manner (One speaker in person to be called on first; then one speaker remote to be called on second with additional speakers to be called on in the same manner) based upon the time limit.

The following member(s) of the public spoke during public comment:

Kate
Laura
CONSENT CALENDAR:
• The consent agenda consists of items that are routine in nature and do not require additional discussion by the City Council or have been reviewed by the City Council previously. These items may be approved by one motion without discussion unless a member of the City Council requests that the item be taken off the consent calendar. • The Mayor will read aloud the title of each consent item (either full agenda title or a simplified version of the agenda title), and ask if a Councilmember wishes to remove one or more items from the consent calendar; and then open public comment to the members of the public in attendance. At this time, a member of the public may speak for up to two (2) minutes on the entire consent calendar and request at that time that an item or items removed for discussion. • If an item or items are removed from the consent calendar, the item shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor. Council Members may comment on Consent Calendar items or ask for minor Agenda Item Number 3
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clarifications without the need for pulling the item for separate consideration. Items requiring deliberation should be pulled for separate consideration and shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor.

Mayor McLewis read the consent calendar.

Mayor McLewis asked if any Councilmember wanted to remove a consent calendar item. There were no requests.

Mayor McLewis opened for public comment. The following member(s) of the public spoke during public comment:

Kyle
Kate
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.

MOTION:

Councilmember Zollman moved and Vice Mayor Maurer seconded the motion to approve consent calendar item number(s) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.

Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: None

1. Approval of City Council Regular Meeting Minutes for Meeting of February 17, 2026 Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries. No additional financial impact is anticipated with approval of this item.

City Council Action: Approved City Council Regular Meeting Minutes for Meeting of February 17, 2026 Minute Order Number: 2026-087

2. Approval of City Council Regular Meeting Minutes for Meeting of March 17, 2026 Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries. No additional financial impact is anticipated with approval of this item.

City Council Action: Approved City Council Regular Meeting Minutes for Meeting of March 17, 2026 Minute Order Number: 2026-088

3. Adopt a Resolution authorizing John Moe, P.E., to sign certain documents as City Engineer. Mario Landeros, Interim City Engineer with GHD Inc., will be retiring from his role and John Moe, has been selected to perform this role.

Responsible Department: Public Works
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Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

No additional financial impact is anticipated with approval of this item as budget contains approved allocation of $9,000 for Engineering Contract
City Council Action: Approved Resolution authorizing John Moe, P.E., to sign certain documents as City Engineer. Mario Landeros, Interim City Engineer with GHD Inc., will be retiring from his role and John Moe, has been selected to perform this role.

Minute Order Number: 2026-089
Resolution Number: 6745-2026

4. Approval of Catastrophic Policy -City Wide. This policy establishes a voluntary Catastrophic Leave Bank consistent with IRS guidance for medical emergency leave-sharing plans. The bank allows employees to donate accrued vacation, compensatory time off (CTO), or administrative leave for use by eligible employees who experience a medical emergency resulting in prolonged absence and substantial income loss after exhausting paid leave. A medical emergency may involve the employee or an eligible family member.

Responsible Department: Human Resources/Administrative Services Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the staff report is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

No additional financial impact.

City Council Action: Approved Catastrophic Policy -City Wide. This policy establishes a voluntary Catastrophic Leave Bank consistent with IRS guidance for medical emergency leave-sharing plans. The bank allows employees to donate accrued vacation, compensatory time off (CTO), or administrative leave for use by eligible employees who experience a medical emergency resulting in prolonged absence and substantial income loss after exhausting paid leave. A medical emergency may involve the employee or an eligible family member.

Minute Order Number: 2026-090
Resolution Number: 6746-2026

5. Authorize the opening of a recruitment process to fill the upcoming term for the City of Sebastopol’s representative on the Sonoma County Library Commission and approve the Requirements for City Appointed Position to the Sonoma County Library Commission.

Requestor: Councilmember Zollman
Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

There is no additional fiscal impact with approval of this item.

City Council Action: Approved authorization to open recruitment process to fill the upcoming term for the City of Sebastopol’s representative on the Sonoma County Library Commission and approve the Requirements for City Appointed Position to the Sonoma County Library Commission.

Minute Order Number: 2026-091

6. Approval of Notice of Completion for Emergency Sewer Repair South High Street Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare this agenda report is covered within existing budgeted salaries. The emergency sewer main line repair, with a final cost of $81,725, will be funded through a budget adjustment from the wastewater reserve fund.

City Council Action: Approved Notice of Completion for Emergency Sewer Repair South High Street Minute Order Number: 2026-092
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INFORMATIONAL ITEMS/PRESENTATIONS: Informational Items or Presentations are items that are informational only and do not require action by the City Council. Presentations shall be scheduled as necessary for the promotion of an event or service or general information items to the Council and should be limited to ten (10) minutes total in length of item (total length includes questions of Council to presenter and public comment).

7. Informational Item: 2nd Quarterly update from Building the Commons Committee Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Public Works Director Oriana Hart presented the agenda item.

Mayor McLewis opened for questions of staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff and committee.

Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:

Kyle
Mary
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:

Council continued discussion of the item.

Council received the item. No motion required.

City Council Action: None; Informational Only.

Minute Order Number: 2026-093

8. Informational Item: Development Agreement Annual Report – Piazza Hotel. Annual Report for the Development Agreement is required by State law and the DA itself. City staff will provide information on timeline of Development Agreement and What would happen upon expiration of development agreement.

Responsible Department: Planning
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Interim Planning Director Jane Riley, 4Leaf Consultant, presented the agenda item and introduced Daniele Petrone.

Daniele Petrone provided an update.

Mayor McLewis opened for questions from staff. The Council asked various questions of staff and Mr. Petrone.

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Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:

Member of the public
Oliver
Member of the public
Kate
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:

Council continued discussion of the item.

Council received the item. No motion required.

City Council Action: None; Informational Only.

Minute Order Number: 2026-094
PUBLIC HEARING(s): NONE
REGULAR CALENDAR AGENDA ITEMS (DISCUSSION AND/OR ACTION):

9. Special Event Fee Waivers - Kiwanis Club April 4th Easter Egg Hunt. Fee Waiver has been requested in the amount of $400.00
Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

The fee that would be waived for this event amounts to $400.00.

Public Works Director Oriana Hart presented the agenda item.

Mayor McLewis opened for questions from staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff.

Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:

Bruce
Philena
Member of the Public
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:

Council continued discussion of the item.

Mayor McLewis called for a motion.

MOTION:

Vice Mayor Maurer moved and Councilmember Carter seconded the motion to approve Special Event Fee Waiver - Kiwanis Club April 4th Easter Egg Hunt. Fee Waiver has been requested in the amount of $400.00.

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Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved Special Event Fee Waiver - Kiwanis Club April 4th Easter Egg Hunt. Fee Waiver has been requested in the amount of $400.00.

Minute Order Number: 2026-095

10. Approval of Memorandum of Understanding with Service Employees’ International Union Local (SEIU) 1021
Responsible Department: Administrative Services
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional fiscal impact: The total estimated financial impact of the successor Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) over the full contract term is approximately $374,200, including workers’ compensation and general liability costs. Of this amount, $50,500 is attributable to FY 2025–26. The estimated cost for FY 2026–27 is $113,640 and will be incorporated into the proposed budget. The remaining $210,060, covering FY 2027–28 through June 30, 2029, will be incorporated into future budgets.

All costs are contingent upon City Council approval of the successor MOU. At this time, staff is not recommending any budget adjustments. The January through June 2026 costs can be absorbed within existing departmental budgets due to savings associated with vacant positions.

Deborah Muchmore, Human Resources Consultant, presented the agenda item.

Mayor McLewis opened for questions from staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff or consultant.

Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:

Kyle
Lee
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:

Council continued discussion of the item.

Mayor McLewis called for a motion.

MOTION:

Councilmember Zollman moved and Vice Mayor Maurer seconded the motion to approve Approval of Memorandum of Understanding with Service Employees’ International Union Local (SEIU) 1021.

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Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved Memorandum of Understanding with Service Employees’ International Union Local (SEIU) 1021.

Minute Order Number: 2026-096
Resolution Number: 6747-2026

11. Consideration of Good Cause Determination for Automatic Removal of Planning Commissioner Due to Absences Pursuant to Sebastopol Municipal Code Section 2.24.030 Responsible Department: Planning/City Attorney
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

There are no further budgetary impacts.

Interim Contract Planning Director Jane Riley, 4Leaf Consultant, presented the agenda item and introduced former Planning Commissioner Alex Kanzler.

Mr. Kanzler made a presentation.

Mayor McLewis opened for questions from staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff, Mr. Kanzler and City Attorney.

Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:

Kyle
Evert
Daniele
Oliver
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:

Council continued discussion of the item.

Mayor McLewis called for a motion.

MOTION:

Vice Mayor Maurer moved and Councilmember Zollman seconded the motion to Re-appoint Alex Kanzler to the Planning Commission for term to expire Dec 2027.

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Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved to Re-appoint Alex Kanzler to the Planning Commission for term to expire Dec 2027.

Minute Order Number: 2026-097

12. Consideration/Discussion of Request for Direction to Staff for Researching City locations for Soccer Fields.

Requestor: Councilmember Carter/Wesco Soccer
Responsible Department: Public Works/Planning
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

However, estimated processing costs for each location are listed as follows.

Youth Annex Site: $18,250 minimum deposit
Downtown Site: Planning/Zoning/CEQA: $14,000 minimum deposit + archeological monitoring costs Public Works Director Oriana Hart presented the agenda item and introduced WESCO Board member.

Mayor McLewis opened for questions from staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff, applicant, Councilmember Carter and City Attorney.

Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:

Kenyon
Oliver
Winton
Rob
Daniele
Kyle
Tim
Sue
Member of public
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:

Council continued discussion of the item.

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City Council Action: Directed staff to for WESCO to submit an application (deposit) to pay for staff time to review potential options for the downtown site such as a deed restriction; and no consideration of the youth annex location.

Minute Order Number: 2026-098

13. Consideration of Approval of City Council Protocols:
a. Addition of Mandatory Training Added to Policy Number 6:
i. Fiscal and Financial Training (SB 827) – Effective January 1, 2026, all local agency officials must complete at least two hours of fiscal and financial training every two years. Newly appointed or elected officials must complete the training within six months of assuming office. Officials serving prior to January 1, 2026, must complete it by January 1, 2028 (unless their term ends earlier).
b. Policies:
a) Policy Number 11: Use of Travel Funds for City Council – City Council Conferences/Training (This incorporates approved City Council Resolution) b) Policy Number 12: Ethics and Professional/Personal Conduct (Incorporates approved City Council Resolution)
c) Policy Number 13: Process of City Council Meetings
d) Policy Number 14: Conflicts of Interest and Ex Parte Communications e) Policy Number 15: Best Practices for Councilmembers
Requestor: Ad Hoc Committee
Responsible Department: Interim City Manager/City Attorney Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.

Additional fiscal impact: There is no additional budgeted impacts as review of the policies by the City Attorney are contained within the approved budget.

Interim City Manager Gourley presented the agenda item.

Mayor McLewis opened for questions from staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff, Ad Hoc Committee and City Attorney.

Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:

Kyle
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:

Council continued discussion of the item.

Mayor McLewis called for a motion.

MOTION:

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Vice Mayor Maurer moved and Councilmember Zollman seconded the motion to approve the policies for incorporation into the handbook and as amended:

Remove history language and add that the Mayor may provide comments on topics relative to the Sebastopol community.

Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.

VOTE:

Ayes: Councilmembers Carter, Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None

Absent: None
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved the policies for incorporation into the handbook and as amended:

Remove history language and add that the Mayor may provide comments on topics related to the Sebastopol community.

Minute Order Number: 2026-099
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA: Two minutes per speaker for up to twenty (20) minutes total for public comments but can be reduced at Mayor’s discretion depending upon the number of speakers or Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers.

Kyle

COUNCILMEMBER(S) REQUESTS FOR FUTURE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS Councilmember Zollman reiterate importance of filling out agenda item request form and staff time usage. Mayor McLewis supported the item.

Councilmember Hinton agenda item that would take minor items under certain cost and not bring everything to budget committee. Mayor McLewis supported the item.

CITY COUNCIL/CITY STAFF REPORTS/COMMUNICATIONS/ANNOUNCEMENTS/FUTURE MEETINGS:

14. City Manager and/or City Clerk Reports: (This will be either verbal reports at the meeting, or written reports provided at or prior to the meeting)
a. Interim City Manager updated the Council on items related to the City.

15. City Council Reports/Committee/Sub-Committee Meeting Reports: (Reports by Mayor/City Councilmembers Regarding Various Agency Meetings/Committee Meetings/Sub-Committee Meeting /Conferences Attended and Possible Direction to its Representatives (If Needed) on Pending issues before such Boards. ((This will be either verbal reports at the meeting, or written reports provided at or prior to the meeting)
a. Councilmembers provided updates.

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16. Council Communications Received (Information/Meetings/Correspondence Received from the General Public to Councilmembers)
CLOSED SESSION: NONE

ADJOURNMENT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Mayor McLewis adjourned the April 7, 2026 City Council Regular Meeting at 10:25 pm to the Special City Council Goals and Priorities Setting Workshop of Tuesday, April 14, 2026 at 6:00 PM.

April 14th 2026 Special City Council Workshop will be adjourned to the next Regular City Council Meeting of Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 6:00 pm, Sebastopol Youth Annex, 425 Morris Street, Sebastopol, CA.

Respectfully submitted:

Mary C. Gourley
Interim City Manager
Attachment(s):

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MayorMcLewis:Okay,soland acknowledgement.TheCityofSebastopoacknowledges that we live and work within the unceded ancestral homelands of the Southern Pomo and the Coast Miwok people. We pay our respect to the past, present, and future generations of thesepeoples,includingtheFederated Indiansof Brayton Rancheria. 18 00:02:15.030 --> 00:02:17.069
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Mayor McLewis: This year, I do rememberingthe History of Sebasopol,and I just have two quick little blurbs.
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Mayor McLewis: Just toshare with everyone, I think they're interesting.They have a bit of enforcement, theme this time. In 1966, anew radar… new radar equipment was, installed to help slow down city speeders. A little box, was actually installed, a6x9x4 box, and it was basically… it was to, increase the role in apolice effort to drastically reduce speeding. 21 00:02:48.180 --> 00:03:10.879
Mayor McLewis: within the city limits when theradar was in use, the police car with police markings marked so that it was clearly visible, even at the same distance approaching motorists. And I found this humorous simply because, Chief Pilgrim and PatrolmanRussell, when they actually installed that, and theywere demonstrating it for folks in thecity, a young gentleman wentspeeding by with his pickup truckat 60 miles an hour on Agenda Item Number 3
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Mayor McLewis: Petaluma Avenue, in a 25 mile an hourzone, and so Iwas just reading through theold papers,and it was, it was kind of humorous. And then,actually, in 1966,the city instituted a flat $5 fee for anyone who was jaywalking. They said that even though they had painted signson…nojaywalkingsignsonthecurbsand in variousplaces,peoplewere just walking over
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Mayor McLewis: to that… to the laws, soanyway, so they instituted this flat $5 fee in hopes to curb people. I… when I read these newspaper clips, it's… it's quite interesting. I hope some of you will spend some time at themuseum and get to know more about the history of Sebastopol.
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Mayor McLewis: So wehave… I'm going to move on to proclamations,presentations, and introductions. We actually have5, proclamations tonight, so I just wanted to see… I guess I'll just go down the list as they're on the agenda, and the first one we have is the Sexual AssaultAwarenessMonth.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oh,there you go. Thank you for turningme up. Yeah, sorry to, so I'm starting out with the toughest one, first off, so here we go. Proclaiming April2026asSexualAssaultAwarenessMonth,whereasSexualAssaultAwareness Month 28 00:04:54.420 --> 00:05:01.139
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Which is the theme, 25 YearsStronger, Looking Back and Moving Forward, celebrates the resilience of survivors andthe communitiesthat have worked forchange. And whereas most women and men across all sexual identities whoexperiencecon…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Contact sexual violencereported that the person whoharmed themwassomeonetheyknew,and whereasover53%of women and over 29%of men reported experiencingcon…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Tax sexual violence, and whereas 32.9% of adults with
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Intellectual disabilities have experienced sexual violence,and whereas
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SebastopolCommunityCulturalCenter:47%of alltransgenderpeoplehavebeen sexually assaulted at some point in their lives. And whereas we celebrate 25 years of sexual assault Awareness Month, we recognize the work still ahead, and together wecan continue to shift culture, strengthen prevention, and create a world free of sexual violence. 35 00:06:14.620 --> 00:06:22.530
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And whereas, by standing in solidarity, we can build a future free from sexual violence and create a world where everyone is safe, valued. 36 00:06:22.740 --> 00:06:24.100
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And respected.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Now, therefore, be it resolved that our Mayor, Jill McLewis, on behalf of the entire City Council,proclaim the month ofApril 2026 Sexual AssaultAwarenessMonth,and
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Such,we must strive tocreate strong,connected communitiesthat takecare of one anotherand make decisions to ensure the safety and well-being of others toend sexual violence.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Our mayor has set her hand in the great seal of CitySebaspoon theseventh dayof April2026.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is there anybody? 41 00:06:57.930 --> 00:06:58.790
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Here?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For this proclamation? 43 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:02.910
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,thanks.
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Mayor McLewis: All right, thank you somuch. The next one we have is,Week of the Young Child, WOTYC Proclamation, and I believe Councilmember Zollman isreading that. 45 00:07:15.180 --> 00:07:27.520
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes,thank you, Madam Mayor, and as the incoming chair of our Child Care Planning Council, I'm honored to beable to read this proclamation proclaiming April11th through the 17th as the week ofthe young child. 46 00:07:27.520 --> 00:07:38.020
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Whereas the Week of the Young Child is an annual celebration sponsoredby the National Association for the Education of Young Children, the world'slargestearlychildhoodeducationassociation. 47 00:07:38.200 --> 00:07:47.270
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And whereas the Week of the Young Child reinforces our commitment to ensuring everychild has access to high-quality early learningexperiences.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Whereas children's cognitive, physical, social, emotional, andlanguage and literacy development are built on the foundation of thechild's positive interactions with adults, peers, and their environment. 49 00:07:59.330 --> 00:08:07.300
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Whereas high-qualityearlychildhoodprograms provide important benefits to children, families, and our state andnational economies. 50 00:08:07.980 --> 00:08:18.989
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Whereas high-quality early care and education help build strong developmental foundations for young children during the years ofthe greatest brain development, leading to positive outcomes for individual children. 51 00:08:18.990 --> 00:08:29.820
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And whereas increasing access to high-quality early childhood education saves taxpayers' dollars, making working families more economicallysecure,and provideschildren tosucceed
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SebastopolCommunityCulturalCenter:in school,earninghigherwages,and livehealthier lives. Now, therefore, be it resolved that our Mayor, Joma McLewis, has placed her, on behalf of theentireCityCouncil,proclaimsApril11th through the17th asWeek of the YoungChild.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: A witness thereof, she has placed her hand on the great seal of thecityofSebastopol, the seventh day of April 2026. 54 00:08:51.970 --> 00:08:59.149
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I'll make sure that our child care coordinator receives this, because she's collecting them on behalf of allcities within the county. Thank you.
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Mayor McLewis: Thank you very much. And Iwill be readingthe National Public Safety Telecommunicators Week Proclamation, and Ihave it right here. So, let me just hear… 56 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:36.960
Mayor McLewis: Whereas this week is a time to show our appreciationand to recognize that our health, safety, and well-being are often dependent onthe commitment and steadfast devotion of public safety telecommunicators, because emergencies can occur at any time that require police, fire, emergency, medical service, or othercritical services. And whereaswhen an emergencyoccurs,thepromptresponseoflaw enforcement,firefighters. Agenda Item Number 3
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Mayor McLewis: Medical personnel is critical to the protection of life and preservation of property, and whereas the safety of our police officers and firefighters is dependent upon the quality and accuracy of information obtained from citizens who telephoneSebastopol Police Department, and whereas public safety telecommunicators arethe first andmost criticalcontact ourcitizens have with emergency services. 58 00:10:00.260 --> 00:10:11.780
Mayor McLewis: And whereas public safety telecommunicators are the single vital link for our police officers andfirefighters by monitoring their activities byradio, providingthem information, and securing their safety.
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Mayor McLewis: And whereas public safety telecommunicators haveassisted with the apprehension of criminals, suppression of fires, and treatment of patients, the workof theseunseen firstrespondersisinvaluablein emergencysituations,and each of these dedicated men and women deserve our heartfelt appreciation. Now, therefore, be it resolved that I, Jill McLewis, mayor, on the behalf of the entire CityCouncil, proclaim April 12th to the8th.
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Mayor McLewis: 18th,2026, as National PublicSafety Telecommunicators Week. 61 00:10:41.370 --> 00:10:54.439
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Mayor McLewis: A witness whereof I, has set my hand inthe great seal of the city of Sebasibelthisseventh dayof April2026.And Idon'tknow if anyoneis,presenttoactually accept that today.
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MayorMcLewis:I'mnotaware.
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MayorMcLewis:Oh,ishe? Okay.Thankyou.Thankyou,Chief,forcomingandaccepting that. I'm sorry I'm not there in person.
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Mayor McLewis: Wonderful. Thank you so much. We have another proclamation, the Children's Memorial Day, let's see, is the fourth Friday. It's move… it's actually calledthe Moves Proclamation, and I believe that will beVice Mayor Maurer? 66 00:11:35.070 --> 00:11:46.379
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And whereas everyone has a role to play in making sure that ourcommunity is agreat place for children and families to thrive, and whereasallchildren deservegreatchildhoodsand should beraised in healthy,nurturing homes, free from abuse and neglect.
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SebastopolCommunityCulturalCenter:Children whoareraised in supportive,stable,and nurturing environments are more likely to leadhealthy and successful lives. 69 00:12:09.800 --> 00:12:17.950
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And whereas prioritizing the well-beingof California'schildren byimplementing policies that strengthen families 70 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:34.329
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We…when we ensure the healthy development of the next generation,they are more likely tocontribute positively to our communities and be productive, responsible members of society. And whereas we can't put a dollar valueon the life of achild.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But we can play a part in ending thetragedy of child abusebysupportingchildren and families
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And whereas the Children's Memorial Day was established by the California Assembly in April1997, which formally declared the fourth Friday in April as a statewide annual observance day, on the fourth Friday in April every year, the Children's Memorial flag is to be flown statewide 73 00:13:00.150 --> 00:13:05.530
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Inmemory of all young lives lost to violence in the previousyear.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that Jill McLewis, Mayor of theCity of Sebastopol, on behalfof the entire City Council, do hereby proclaims the fourth Friday in April as Children's Memorial Flag Daythroughout Sebastopol in memory of children who have died by violence.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And she encourages the city to raise thememorial flag on the fourth Friday in the monthof April tohonorthe young lives lost. 76 00:13:33.850 --> 00:13:36.500
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Mayor McLewis: Doesn't look like it.
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Mayor McLewis: Then we have one more proclamation to go to, andthat's, pardon me, the National Library Week Proclamation, by Councilmember, Carter. 80 00:13:53.460 --> 00:13:58.730
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,proclaiming April 19th through the 25th as NationalLibraryWeek.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Whereas libraries spark creativity, fuel imagination,and inspirelifelonglearning,offeringa spacewhereindividualsof allagescan find joythrough exploration and discovery.
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SebastopolCommunityCulturalCenter:Whereaslibrariesprovidefreeand equitable access to books, digital tools, and innovative programming, whereas libraries partner with schools,businesses,organizations,andmaximizeresources. 84 00:14:35.820 --> 00:14:37.800
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Whereas libraries… 85 00:14:38.130 --> 00:14:52.080
SebastopolCommunityCulturalCenter:Whereasdedicated librariansand libraryworkers provide welcoming spaces that inspire discovery, collaboration, andcreativity for all. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: thecity council, through Joe. 87 00:14:56.340 --> 00:15:06.449
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: April19ththrough the 25th isNational Library Week.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: During this week, I encourage all residents to visit their library, explore its resources, andcelebrate all ways that the library helps our community find joy.
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MayorMcLewis:Wonderful.If wedon'thaveanyonehereacceptingthat,then we'll… 92 00:15:26.930 --> 00:15:31.560
Mayor McLewis: Pass those over, all ofthem over to our interim city manager, and I can moveon.
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Mayor McLewis: While we're doing that, I just wondered, if anyone has, any statements of conflict of interest before we move forward with the rest ofthe agenda? 95 00:15:48.300 --> 00:15:49.330
Mayor McLewis: I don't see any…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I justwant to acknowledge that I am on the board of Wesco Soccer Club.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, per advisement by legalcounsel, you know, ifI could…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: just check in, because I am not paid, and it is a public service, I've been advised that it's just an optional thing to preclude myself from the vote. But, I'm gonna stay on.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Do you want to acknowledge the… No, yeah, you're exactlyright. Because it's an uncompensated position, and the organization's a 501c3,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You don't have a… there's no requirement to recuse yourself under any, rules.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Any applicable rules, except to disclose the position,which you'vedone.
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Mayor McLewis: All right, Mary, if you'd like to move on to our public comment for items that are not on the agenda…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Mayor. So, as you just stated, this is an opportunity for public comment for items thatare not on tonight's agenda. It is a20-minute time limit for this first public comment period.There is an additional20 minutes at the end. 108
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It is a2-minute public comment period. I go to chambers first, and then go out to Zoom. So if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment for an item not on tonight's agenda. 109
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kate: Yes. Hello?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou. Let me see if we have their timer. Can you see the timer?
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kate: I want to comment onthe recent survey on citypriorities. I just want to point out that it did not allowpeople to ranktheir priorities, which Ithink it is amistake not to allow people to rank, as it doesn't give thecitycouncil andcity staff aclearlist of priorities. I would be curious to know if public safety was
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kate: still the number one concern of residents. My hunch says it probably is, so I think that that would be good to know, that information in any future goal-settingsituations. And then I also wanted to note that there's a new surveyon thecity's sitesregarding trees. I hope people fill out this survey andgive support to Sepast 117
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kate: tree canopy, shrubs, and foliage. It is proven that cities with more trees and plants have less surface heat and staycooler in the summer, which is important with climate change.Theyalsoprovidehabitatforbees,birds,butterflies,and otherparts of our ecosystem. Sebastopol sits on a huge ocert fir,and despite popular belief, has never come 118
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kate: close, even in drought years, to any sort of water availability concerns. So I encourage people to support our trees and plants and let the city know how you feel. And I would also like to reiterate my previous request that contractors be identifiedas such and not as city employeesin discussions.Thankyou.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Kate, for your public comment. Next, I will come back intochambers. If there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment for an item 9, Laura?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I just had a quick question about proclamations. I thoughtthepolicyhad been changed thatyouonlyread thefirstparagraph if noonewas here to pick it up.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou for your publiccomment. Next, I would come out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to makea public comment, pleaseraiseyourhandvirtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone inchambers that would like tomake a publiccomment foran item not on theagenda.
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Mayor McLewis: Okay, thank you very much. We are moving on to theconsent calendar. I will read allof the items, after that.
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MayorMcLewis:If anyonewantstopullanything.Numberone,approvalof CityCouncil regular meeting minutes for meetingof February 17th, 2026. 126
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Mayor McLewis: Number 2, approval ofCity Council regularmeetingminutes for meetingof March17th,2026.
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Mayor McLewis: Number 3, adopt a resolutionauthorizing John Moe PE to sign certain documents as City Engineer. Mario Linderos, interim city engineer withGHD Incorporated, will be retiring from his role, and John Moehasbeen selected to perform this role. 128
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MayorMcLewis:Number4,approvalof catastrophicpolicycitywide.Thispolicy establishesa voluntarycatastrophicleavebankconsistentwith IRSguidanceformedical emergencyleavesharingplans.
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Mayor McLewis: The bank allows employees todonate accrued vacation, compensatory time off, CTO, or administrative leave for use byeligible employees who experience a medical emergency resulting in prolonged absence and substantial income loss after exhaustingpaid leave.
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Mayor McLewis: A medical emergency may involve the employee or an eligible family member.
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Mayor McLewis: Number 5. Authorize the opening ofa recruitment process to fillthe upcoming term for theCity of Sebastopol's representative onthe Sonoma County Library Commission, and approve the requirements for City-appointed position to the Sonoma County Library Commission. Number 6, approval of notice of completion for Emergency Sewer Repair South High Street.
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Mayor McLewis: Does anyone have… would anyone like to pull any of the items on this list that I just read?
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Mayor McLewis: No? Okay. I don't see anyone, so, if no one has any comments, then Mary, I think that takes us to public comment. Am Icorrect?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You are correct. So this is forpublic comment for the consent calendar items only. If you would like to make a publiccomment, I will go to Chambers first.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go out to Zoom. 138
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Kyle Falbo: Regarding the engineering contract, it's interesting to read in this agenda item thatwehad a,anRFPforanactualengineeringposition. 144
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Kyle Falbo: That tookplace in December, but failed.
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Kyle Falbo: So that's really unfortunate, to hearabout it now, 3 monthslater, that that RFP failed, and it's only because of a retirement that we're going with fillingan emergency position, with an emergency RFP forthat position there. 146
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Kyle Falbo: It is, we found out, at thelast meeting.
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Kyle Falbo: That wehad to extend, the interim contract, for Mary to be the city manager because of a failed, or Iwouldn't say a failed, but
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Kyle Falbo: And, and I think that it's really a disservice to our community, to our infrastructure, and it's not surprising that wehave some ofthe most, you know. 155
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Kyle, for your public comment. Next, I will come into chambers. If there's anyone in chambers, I'd like to make a public comment on theconsent calendar items only. Seeing none, I'll go back out to Zoom. Kate, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Kay, for your public comment. Again, I will come back intochambers if you'd like tomake a publiccomment. Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like tomake apubliccomment, pleaseraiseyourhandvirtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, public comment is closed on the consent calendar items.
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Mayor McLewis: All right, thank you verymuch,I appreciate that.Let's see, if there… does anyonehaveanycommentsora motion?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou. So moved by Councilmember Zolman and seconded byViceMayorMaurertoapproveand ConsentCalendarItems1through 6. Councilmember Carter?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Aye. Councilmember Zolman? Yes. Vice Mayor Maurer? Yes.MayorMcLewis?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, Lara. I'm gonna give it a brief presentation, then we'll pass it to theCouncil to discuss.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sothis is the second quarterly report out forthe Building theCommonssubcommittee. In this quarter, theycreated two ad hoc subcommittees oftheBuilding theCommonsCommittee. One was afinance committee that looked at six potential locations for the project, and kind of did a strategic analysis of those locations, prioritizing them for kind of short-term 179
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, with that, I will turn it over to the Council if they would like to…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And,we have gone througha very lengthy process to identify all the city properties that could be available. We've lookedthrough a stack of differentkindsof financingforparticular,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: a purchase or build process, and we've analyzed these, in a number of ways that Ithink are listed in the documents. It'd be way toomuch for me to go through now, because I think that wasan hour-longpresentation in itself. 193
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The sum… summary is, you know, we've identified things, and more importantly, we've identifiedhow we could finance it if we did move forward, and what the process would look like.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, throughout the entire committee, they submitted 30 names, and myself and four… three others are charged with, doing at least a half-hour to40-minute interview with the four people to find out exactly what their needs are and their level of interest in trying to have this plaza, put into 200
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: place.I have to say, as thechair ofthe overall committee, I'm impressed each time with the level of timeand dedication that our fellow citizens
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: volunteers put into this project, and the public is definitely… we welcome you on Zoom publiccomment, andthe next meeting is coming up nextTuesday.Thanks.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And just to follow up, in our outreach, we've gotten pretty good feedback. There have been quite a few people that we are engaging with that are potential partners in this, andquite a few people are interested in it.It's great to get out into the communityand figure what everybody else's needs are. 203
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: thereare different versions in California also that share this model. They're expanded library concepts that do not go as far as we might go. Often, they might havea bookstore, coffee shop, restaurants, or someother, 211
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We are attempting to go a little further than some others, but there arecommunity resources in Boulder that also are activity centers. And I can chime in that our sister city in Japan, because our mayor actually,whenshe went for her visit, apparently that's what theirmayor took them to, which was asituation and acity that is the same size as ours, that had no money at all. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And it's not coincidentalthatour vice chair of the full committee is RM Harrell, who is theCEO of Copperfields. So, there are models out there, and I would encourage people to explore them and join inthe conversation. 215
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Mayor McLewis: And just to add to the information for the librarythere in Takeo, theyalso partner with, a commercialcoffee shop.
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Mayor McLewis: So, there's the coffee shop in there, there's the bookstore, there's the library. It's… anyone who has the opportunity to go there, you would be delighted to see it, and they also have a gift shop, so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I had a question. So it doesn't appear… it has strengths, weaknesses, and it appears they're all 2…or12 to 13 million to 20 million for most of them, all but one. Did you guys rank them? Like, is it… or is it…is that a future thing?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah,so initially, we're just gonna go through them agnostically,you know, to see, what theygenerally look like, andthen we will go through and figure out what…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: With our community's feedback feels the best beforeweassign weightsand rank.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Also, I'll chime in the fact that, you know, going through the list of 30 stakeholders that thecommittee put together, part of the questions, which ispartof thepacket,Iwould encouragepeople,there'sa wholesectiononour website that goes through and has our past minute.
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Mayor McLewis: I just… and I've read a lot of this, and maybe I missed it somewhere. I was just wondering howmuch haveyou discussed… A lot of theseorganizations are nonprofits, 501c3s, and maybe I missed it in here somewhere, but how much haveyou talked about how the logisticsof howthat would work, commingling of funds?Like, these are all separateorganizations,and Imean,sothere'salways… 227
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Extensively to the point whereit's useful. I mean, there's the point whereyou're actuallycontracting and entering in agreements or, like, figuring out what fits the best, but we have discussed, like, what doesthe model looklike for different types of situations? There's a build situation, there's, like, a refurbished situation.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And insome cases, there would be a, if there were a wholepropertypurchase.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: people that pay rent for theirportion ofthe part, and there is noco-minglingof funds.There'sonemasterpersonof theproperty,and each of these are individual sublets. Sort of like thecontract that a Starbucksin an airport might have.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'd just like to request that thiscommittee, the next time you report out, you bring examples ofmodels from othercities that actuallyare crea… that have already created
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: a building or shared buildings that include, like, such big,groups like the Senior Center, the Community Center, thelibrary. I'd just like to see a model for that, because it seems like you're trying to do a lot in onespace,especially if you're doing outreach.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to invite others, other groups, to join inthis effort, too. So, that would help me.
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Mayor McLewis: I would chime inthat I would second that. I think it would be very helpful to better understand, that aspect.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I firmly agree with case studies and learning from other places first,yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Mayor. So this is for public comment on the secondly quarterly report from Building the CommonsCommittee. If you would like to make a public comment, again, it is 2 minutes. I come to chambersfirst. Seeingnone,I will go out to Zoom.
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Kyle Falbo: convincethe public that this is something that they want to buy into, financially, or as acommunity. But I think part ofthat is being able toarticulate it in a waythat folks will understand,and understand exactlywhatIsaid before,whichis, what is the problem that the Commons are trying to solve?
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Kyle Falbo: So hopefully in a future presentation, those just kind of basics can be part of that presentation. Thanks.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Kyle, for your public comment. Next, I will come into chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. Mary, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou for your publiccomment, Mary. Next, I will come back intochambers, if there's anyone in chambers like tomake a public comment onthis informational item.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment, please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Just to address the why, we have several, buildings that need… we're outgrowing the Senior Center. It's a… it's a desperate need immediately. The library is at 100% capacity. It should… in 2016, it wassupposed to… 269
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, how do we expandcapacity for the things that we need, especially the seniorsthat are in the library, which are… which are bursting?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes,thank you, Councilmember Okar. I was going to say the same. We'veheard repeatedly that the Senior Center, andthe Senior Center is well represented, by amember onthe board.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: on the full standingcommittee, about their need and their quick need tohave something happen. And they have turned to thecity numbers of times to figure out what really is our plan. The community center, they were on the committee, and I understand that they'retrying to come back onto thecommittee, because as Councilmember Carter said, they have a lot of theirown needs. 276
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It is also needing, for a number of reasonsthat this Council has addressed in the past, the need for increased staffingin order tomeet the number of patrons that come in, not only fromSebastopol, but from the West County. 278
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Othernonprofits, Gravenstein Health Actionhas nophysicalspace,and they'reliterallypayinga contractorwhoworksoutof herhome.So, there are a lot of reasons why, I feel like, at least for our nonprofits. 279
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we can do better, and then also our for-profit businesses are stepping up. Again, not everycity has aCEO of a national chain, sitting as their vicechair, so I'llthrow that out there.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'd like to hear directlyfrom the Senior Center at your next report, because the last I heard, they'd open onSaturday, and maybe our liaison can help us understand this more, but
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I havegreat concerns about the community center. A couple years ago, we were told that if that building flooded again, it would not be insurable, and this is serious. This building floods. Every 10 years or so, it floods. It hasn't flooded fora few years.The last time it flooded.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: SoI'd like to, you know, flagthat for the committee, and ask you to, look into that, because to me, that seems the most serious. 288
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou. Thank you for yourwork. Absolutely, and I just kindof wanted to toss out that I forgot about the administrative efficiency of sharing one roof, thecost efficiencies that cancome withthat. You know, someof these 289
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And what was your finding orconclusion? The lab, the library advisory board put together a nonprofit that I sat on formany of years, Lantern, and they hiredan architect to try to figure out what actuallycould be done to increase, at least the library by building up on the second story, and it was… 296
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We can onlymeet so much, right? So, we're trying our best to do as muchwork as quickly as possible and think through these things, and anything that you haveas far as suggestions, we'll certainly note to help make our process better.
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Mayor McLewis: So, a couple comments that Ihave is that, one, I see all the financial figures. One thing I know is that many of the nonprofits who are utilizing these spacesthat wehavein thecityarenotcurrently,payinganythingsignificantthanmaybe a dollar to use these spaces. So, looking at allthese other spaces, there's quite acost related to them, so I havegreatconcern about
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Mayor McLewis: if there are any financial experts on this committee toactually help, as you're sussing out these different, models, you know, from the financeperspective, what does all of that look like? Because we can prioritize, in my opinion, many things 303
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Mayor McLewis: But ifwe can't affordthem, then we're just spinning our wheels. So I… I think that that's important, and then also,
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Mayor McLewis: you know, I hate to evenmention this, because they're always a long shot, but, you know, who's exploring grants? And secondly, if you're exploring grants, it becomes… as a nonprofit leader myself, I know it becomes very complicated, you know, when you have multiple nonprofits trying tocome together and apply for grants, so there's a logistics challenge withthat there, and I don't know if we're expecting the city toapply for that type of stuff on theside.
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Mayor McLewis: But those are just some initial concerns that Ihave thinking about all of this. So as you move forward, I would just encourage to have, 306
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Mayor McLewis: Perhaps, you know, I don't know. I don't knowwhat you would bring forward, but just…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's fine. I'm on the Finance Committee and the funding committee. I apologize. I just wanted to address that we are looking into exactly that, and trying to eliminate the city's liability for acost, or putting it intoa bad position. 308
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: beingon the Budget Committee, I know very well that wehave limited tono money. So, in anything that we're looking forward to, we're going to find, you know, I don't want to say creative, but we're going to look deeply into finding ways to finance a new facility that is
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: really low impact to thecity, ifat all, and will have a high payoff,and iftherearenon-profits, that's part ofthe reasonof looking for a business or a public-private relationship, because the private partycouldactuallyend up help subsidizingsomeof thepublicparts.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then we were also looking at some ofthe available land to see ifwe could swap some unused land for that, and then make it all work out. But these concerns I share with you deeply, and I want you to know that we're all trying to figure out how to use
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Our land in agreat way, but also our minds as far as,like,financingand fundingthesethings.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: With… with minimal impact to staff and city budget.
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Mayor McLewis: Well, and just so I can finish my thought, what I wanted to say was that 314
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Mayor McLewis: I hopethat maybe you're looking tothe county for funding as well, and I know wehavea varietyof thingsthatarehappening,buttrulyfundingthat'snot,youknow, that's not tied to anything else other than thecounty also trying… recognizing that many of these nonprofits are utilized.
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Mayor McLewis: Sometimes predominantly by folks who live in the… inWest County and not necessarily inthe city. So that's my final comment on that. I don't know. 316
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I can say that SupervisorHopkins was on the list of the 30, and I wascharged with sending out the invitations to have the 30 to 40 minute interview,and herChiefof staffdid respondback,acknowledgingit,and… Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'll bring it up again about who's to approach her with that at our next meeting next Tuesday.
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Mayor McLewis: Thank you. And Mary, please forgive me, I usually write down… we're in the comments section, right?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Soyou're on theCouncil discussion, but there is no action, so it's an informational item only, soyou can go ahead and close it out if there's no more questions from the City Council?
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Mayor McLewis: Yeah, thank you. Sorry, I was just talking, you know, listening so much intently. So if there's noothercomments.
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Mayor McLewis: Is it okay to move on now, Mary?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, we can go ahead and move on tothe second informational item.
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Mayor McLewis: Okay, number 8, development agreement annual report, Piazza Hotel Annual Report for the development agreement is required by state lawand the DA itself. 325
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Mayor McLewis: City staff will provide information on timeline of development agreement and whatwould happen upon expiration ofdevelop…of thedevelopmentagreement,and that is also presented by planning, I believe.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes,thank you, Mayor. Jane Riley, I'm the Interim Planning Director. That is a contract position.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: AstheMayor indicated, this isan informational item. There's an annualupdate that's required both by the development agreement for the Agenda Item Number 3
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Hotel Sebastopool, as well as state law, for aninformational item to be brought to you at least once a year.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: HotelSebastopol is a 66-room approved boutique hotel with many amenities to be located at 6828 Depot Street, with parking across Brown Street at 6826 Depot Street.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Approvals were granted in2017. The owners have proceeded with some entitlement since that time. And in July of2024,your City Council adopted a development agreement that will expire in the end of June 2027. 331
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Ifno action is taken bythe applicant. 332
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This annual review is to ensure that the applicant is acting in good faithcompliance withthe terms of the agreement. To the staff report, I attached a letter from Piazza Development, who are here and will giveyou abrief update. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: IftheCity Council does find that theapplicant's not acting in goodfaithcompliance under the terms of the development agreement, then we would need to schedule a public hearing to hear thematter. This isinformationalonly. And with that, I'll turn it over toPiazza.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Goodevening, everyone. My name is Daniele Petroni. We've all… most of us havemet inperson, and I appreciatethe time. 335
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: tocome out tonight and giveyou guys an update on what we've done over thelast 9 months, since we were last in front of you last August. 336
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: From a site perspective, as an update, I just wanted to share, as you guys are aware, we've been very happy with some of the temporary activationsthat we've been able to complete.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm getting feedback on my end, are you guys getting that as well?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, we had the art installation with the Sebastopol Center forthe Arts, which had just started last August when we were in front of you. We had Sebastopol Bloomfest,the three-day music and art festival. 342
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'vealso been able to… 343
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: improve the pedestrian realm along our McKinley Street frontage to serveas a sort of better pedestrian connection between the Barlow and Agenda Item Number 3
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the downtowndistrict.We pushed back our fence, we compacted some gravel, and we put up some string lights tohelp make that pedestrian experiencea little bit more attractive and safe and comfortable in the interim as wemove towards groundbreaking. We also 344
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, it's springtime, weeds are a thing, we have a weed abatement scheduled in two weeks' time. I know the lot itself is sort of in that springtime explosion, and so we're going to get that under control as well. 345
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: As it relates to the development itself, I think, you know, you guys have allread our letter, I don't want to sort of draw this out, I want to mostly leave, space for your guys' questions, but as you know, rates and construction costshave not demonstrably come down in the last 8months. You know, development… 346
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: thrives on stability, andthere's nothing about the last 8 months that have been stable. That said, as I mentioned last time, we still retain, loan approvalunderwhat'sreferred toastheCPACEprogram. 347
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: whichis a federal program that givesmoney to projects that advance sustainability measures. That is still in our pocket, that would cover half of our development costs. And so what we're focusing on is finding a lendinginstitution to cover that second half.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'vehad some really great discussions with, sort of, traditional lenders, sort of smaller regional banks. 349
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Whowe've worked with in the past, who could, 350
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Conceivably offer something that would allow the project topencil as things sort of come down,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'vealso sort of… we've been lookingat, some additional, less traditional sources of funding, like, for example, therewas a project in Sonomathat successfully secured EB-5funds,which,if you'renotaware,isanother federalprogramthatencouragesinternationalinvestment. 352
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In, sort of, rural communitiesas a way to, sort of. 353
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: for the folks who invest, it leads towards immigration status forthem, but it's a way to sort of cobble together funding sources to hopefullygettogroundbreaking.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Allthat is to say is that, you know. 355
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we don't have funding in place, we can't move forward tomorrow, obviously. What we've beendoing since the last meeting, and since we sort of communicated that toyou guys last time, is to continue to refine potentialvalue engineering that we can sort oftreat as a
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: menuof options to choose from as we sort of move towards a finalized funding package to sort of allow the project to pencil, depending on what therate andconstruction costs wouldbe, right, as that groundbreaking would actuallyapproach.Wethink…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That strategy willgive us the flexibility 358
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To sort of pickandchoose what we canchange in the project to allow it to pencil. And, you know, the more time that we have on that runway, theoretically, if things are improving in terms ofrates andconstructioncosts, the less dramatic some ofthese things we'rethinking about.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: wouldbe, with the understanding that the more dramaticmeasures, you know, you have to take those with a grainof salt, because some of them would require action by PlanningCommission, by Council, and so those are not somethingthat we
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: wouldlike to include in our value engineering efforts, but there… just to give you aflavor ofthe things that we'rethinking of, we're doing all that we can to figure out a way to makethis pencil withinthe timeframe that wehave in front of us.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I know it's frustrating,you know, we're not alone in sort of confrontingthese
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: difficulties, you know, I'm sure you know that the Barlow Hotel is…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: is navigating the very same thing. They're a little bit in a different,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: phaseof development than us, but, you know, Barney and us, we talk frequently. We've talkedabout ways to help each other, ways to partner.Thosetalksareongoing.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, yeah, I think that's kind of the gist ofthe letter, of our update, and I mostly just want to be here for 366
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: questions, and, you know, I know there's also anotheragendaitem,which
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We continue to look for ways to temper… in the interim, improve the lot and activate it sothat it's not just the dead space in the middle of town, that it's actually contributing
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To… to the community. 370
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, with that, I'll, open it up toany questions. 371
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes,thank you for presenting. I was actually surprised you hadanother 2months, because the first time you were required to be here was in June, so you're early with basically the same news as you had for us. 373
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: thelast time you were here, which was about finance construction. The question I was just asked, directly today bya member of the public is explain to us where you are in relationto what you've done inHealdsburg. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Because the comment was they were able to get whatever they needed to get together to do what theypromised the citizens of Healdsburg. 375
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But they haven't been able todo the same here in Sebastopol, so please provide that, because I'm pretty sure that person is watching. Sure, yeah. Thank you for thequestion, both from you and from themember of the public. 376
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In terms of what we've beenable to do in Healdsburg, I will say that we do have a fourth project in Healdsburg that is in thevery same situation that weare in here today. The entitlements on that project expire November of this year.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so that…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, is another project that is caught inthis limbo of, you know,thecurrent economic climate.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That said, in Healdsburg, we started in Healdsburg in 2001, when Healdsburg was very muchnot the tourist destinationthat it is today.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, you know, I like to thinkthat there area lot of parallels with that project, our first hotel in Healdsburg, Hotel Healdsburg, and this project thatwe'veproposed and havebeen approved and havepulled a billypermit for here in Sebastopol, in that they are
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: expensive projects in theoretically unproven markets, verymuch so in Healdsburg in 2001, but theoretically here inSebastopol, while we're surrounded by a very thriving,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: both domestic and international tourism industry within the city limits. There's… there's noproven, project of this type yet, which I'm sure, as you know, makes lenders nervous. So, in Healdsburg.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: similarly was right downtown, right across the square, and involved a lot ofpersonalrisks forour company, but I think if you were to ask, you know, the founders of our company.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: ifthe risk was worth it, I mean, I think you could know their answer, absolutely, yes. Hotel Hillsburg has been a wild success. It's… 386
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Led toa lot of other development within Healdsburg, for better or for worse, dependingon your, your opinions. 387
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Ithinkthe onlyotherthing to note in this specific case, and, you know, I mentioned this last meeting, and I'm sorry to sound like a broken record, but, you know, there has been a sort of
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: extraordinary succession of external events that havehappened sincewewereapproved in 2017,fromthefirestothepandemictothe current sort of global crisis that we're in right now. I'm not usingthat as an excuse,because as you… as was mentioned, you know, the entitlements were in 2017, 390
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'rehere almost 10 years after that.But it's… it's…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: as I said, because of the amount ofrisk, we need to be smart about when we move forward, because
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: like Hotel Healdsburg, it's sort of an unproven project. And one follow-up. This is the first I'veheard about your fourth project. Soyour fourth project in Healdsburg, when did that come into your thoughts? 393
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That was approved, 394
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oh, jeez, my memory is gonna fail me here, but it's been within thelast…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Fouryears that it's been approved. 396
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we donot… we're in a different stage there where we don't have
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center:construction drawings. We'reat about 30% construction drawings,but the project is on pause for very many similar reasons. 398
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And like I mentioned, the entitlements there expire in November, and so… I don't want to share…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: project and issues, but, you know, if you were to ask me which project I'm more bullish on, it would be this project herein Sebastopol. 401
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: SoI have a couple questions.Have you done any CEQA work on the property already?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Through our entitlement project, or process, yes, allof theenvironmentalworkwasdone,up until2017,when approvalwasgranted. 404
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,have you considered scaling the project down?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: making something maybe smaller, more diverse, that reflectsmore ofthe personality of Sebastopol, instead of something reallyhigh-end? Agenda Item Number 3
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Yes, absolutely. The sort ofmenu of potentialchanges to the project that I was referencing to, some of them include quite drastic measures, like eliminating one of the buildings. 406
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Specifically along PetalumaAvenue, we have a two-story building withretail, spa and rooms on the second story. We're thinking about eliminatingthat, reducing the amount of rooms, and makinga sort of more, retail-oriented one-story structure that's much less expensiveto build. 407
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Again,though, that… The Barlow is going to be having a spa, or they have in their hotel, yeah. We also have the BlissDay Spa here in town already,so…Yeah.So,when doyoupredict
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You can break ground. 409
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And once you get started, how longwill it take until the hotel is operational?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'll answer your second question first, because that's an actual known.Our construction schedule assumes 18months, but nothing is certain, and so typically we like to assume24, so 2 years, just to account for weatherand other unforeseen delays. So onceyou break ground, you think it'll be 2 years before you're operational? Correct. Renting out the rooms and runningthe hotel?Correct, yes. 411
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.And then, in terms of us breaking ground, I think In our current…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, we're excited about the project, we wanted to move forward, but we're trying our best to straddle 414
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that excitement and sort of reality. And so, given that our development agreement allows us to go up untilthe end of June 2027, right, so that's 14 to 15 months,I think, ideally, we'd sort of move into that directionto allow markets 415
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, if anythingwere to change, if a temporary use were tocome alongthat Council approvesthat gives us a little bit more runway, that's all the better for us, because it helps reduce more of that risk. But ifIhad to answer your question directlyright here, right now, I would say summer ofnext year. 417
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm sorry, say that again? Summer ofnext year, because the DA expires the end of June. So, if…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Soyou're thinking youcould break down… you could break ground when When you need to.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But when the development agreement is due, you're thinking you're gonna… you're gonna get in there and do it. Well, no. But you would like not to, but you will if you have to. The choice in June, I think, for uswouldbe… 420
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is there a financing package out there that allows the project to pencil, and should we break ground? Or is the project dead, and do we figure out what our next steps are?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Ithinkthat would bethe choice in front of us next summer. Just to clarify, did you just say ifthe project is dead? 422
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Speaking in terms of reality, anything is possible, but everything that we have done to date inthe last 10 years, all of themoney that we have spenthasbeen in theeffortof not
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: of building the project, of allowing it tocome to fruition and to flourish. Okay, well, that's very different than what we heard two years ago, that there was just no way this project was going to fail. 425
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sure, yeah, I think… you know,I said this… 427
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 9 months ago, failure of this project would be fairly catastrophic for us as a mom-and-pop developmentcompany,given how much we've 428
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: how much we've, invested to date. But, you know, we're not naive. Development, you know, is such that
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SebastopolCommunityCulturalCenter:Failurehappens,and companiesSufferthe consequences.
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Mayor McLewis: I just don't want tomiss anyone. Okay. A couple questions I have for you. 433
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Mayor McLewis: is just based on some of thecomments you made. Is there anything that the citycould do to help in securing financing,and also 434
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Mayor McLewis: What could we do to make ourselves more attractive or proven? You used that word with Healdsburg. So just, my question is, is there anything that, you know, the city could help with as far as making,you know, it more attractive for… 435
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MayorMcLewis:lenders.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I appreciate the question. I think everything the cityhas done to date has been very helpful, because as I mentioned with lenders, the sort of big caveats are stability and predictability, and the city has beena really great partner with us.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, from entitlements up until now, to help us find a path towards… towards groundbreaking. In terms of… 438
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Any action thecitycould take to… help. 439
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: lenders sort of become morecomfortable? That's an interestingone.Ihaven't…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I… Ihaven't thought about that, but… 441
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Mayor McLewis: Because that's a comment that was made inthe past, too, about that Healdsburg was proven and that we weren't.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Alright, yeah, no, sorry. 443
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Mayor McLewis: asking, like, you know, as citycouncil members here, if you can tell us what actually helps with that. I mean, we all know what Healdsburg was, you know, how it is, but from your perspective, if you're sayingthey're proven, and by default we're not proven, what do we… what would make us proven?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sure, yeah, and sorry forthe, sort of, the delay in my speaking there, there was just some bad noise. Oh, okay. So… 445
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, when… Lenders, sort of, 446
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: do their due diligence on a potential hotel project. The first thingthey do is they pull what's calleda comp set. 447
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Which is sort of… 448
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Existing hotels in the area in the same market segment that arecomparable, the word comp,to what this project would be. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And the difficulty that we've run into is that the comm set in Sebastopol is non-existent, and so we have to go towardsother towns, sort of in the Sonoma County,catchment area.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And obviously hotels of the type that we're looking to build here exist in that area. It's just a little bit tricky for banks to get really comfortable 451
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: With something in Sebastopol versus Healdsburg, or in other places. Andso I think…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, that said, a lot ofthe… 453
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Actions of the city and a lot ofthe new businesses thatareopeninguphavecertainlyputiton people'sradar,and havecertainlyhelped 454
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: sort of established Sebastopool as, you know, we all know that it's a lovely place. Well, we in this room all know that it's a lovely place tovisit, but not everyone does,right?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so I thinkthe word of mouth is definitely spreading. I think theBarlow's efforts arecertainly helping. But in terms of, you know, actual,concrete, actionable things Council can do withlenders, I'll have to thinkabout that, and I'll have to let you guys know.
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MayorMcLewis:Well,and Ithinkwe'rein a uniqueposition,becauseweknow thatwe're, you know, we do havethe Barlow that is in that process, so… 457
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Mayor McLewis: obviously, it sounds, based on what we've learned, that they areable to get funding, so I'm just trying to understand
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Mayor McLewis: how it's different for you versus them, as faras comps and working through that process. And I understand comps, I've held a real estate license, so I get allof that. But I'm just saying, like, comparing apples to apples here, I'm justtrying to understand yourpers…youknow,yourconundrumand situation versus…Right.And when both require Agenda Item Number 3
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MayorMcLewis:lendingand funding,it's…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sure. Yeah, so I think, you know, as I mentioned, we'vehad a lotof conversationswith BarneyattheBarlow,and, 461
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm not sure the latest on his efforts. The last we talked, you know, we were… we were sort of
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center:commiseratingand sharing stories about the difficulties of the moment. I do know that his project 463
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: theconstruction costs, at least the sort of initial estimates that hehad,are lower than what our construction costs were coming in at, at a per-key basis. I also know that,you know.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: they're…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the situationthat they're in, sort of, from a capital perspective, I think there's… there's a little bit more room to work with, and so that might be leadinginto,hiscommunication abouthowwellfinancingisgoing.But for us specifically, you know, this is a…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's an$85 millionproject to build 66 hotel rooms, restaurant, spa, retail, and a rooftop bar. It's just… it's a very expensive, high-quality project, and so I think as… as design, that's probably why we'recoming into the issues that we're coming into.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: With the added caveats of rates and of construction costs, but…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, hopefully the idea is to get it perhaps more in line with what Barney is
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: His thinking, but… 470
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't know, I just… I haven't seen his performa, I haven't seen his designs well enough to be able to give credence to whatever, whatever financing numbers he's communicated.
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Mayor McLewis: Got it. I saw, Vice Mayor, you had your hand up. 472
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah. I just wanted to point out that Sebastopol serves
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 50,000 people who live in this area, so alltheir visitors coming. We have one hotel right now.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And we have one onthe way. 475
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: IntheBarlow. So, it seems like it's a pretty good opportunity to bringanother hotel in here, because
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, where are people staying? We lost one of the hotels that we had in town. At that time,we had two, and I thinkHealdsburg probably has20ormore,and yetyourbuildingin Healdsburg
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And you're trusting that, so I…I just don't get it, why you wouldn't trust this area to support your hotel, or whythe lenders wouldn't… 478
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: support it financially, because I think, you know, it's a good opportunity.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'd just like you to comment on that, please. Yeah, no, no, no, absolutely. I mean, I agree that it's agood opportunity. 480
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, you haven't… we haven't had to have been convinced,right? Us,asa firm,we'vebeen high on Sebastopoolforthelastdecade, and, you know, our investment to date sort of, Ithink, communicates 482
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: how jazzed we are about it. You know, unfortunately, you know, I would love to be ableto tell you that,you know, we could selffinance this, and wecould break around tomorrow, but… 483
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, I think it's just… it's a tricky moment in hospitality lending, it'sa tricky moment inconstruction costs. We're seeing… I don't know, seriously, if you… I apologize, I'm joined tonight by our 484
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Theco-founder of Piazza Hospitality, Cersei Sher. I don'tknow if youhaveanyadditional,thoughts,but…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, It's…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's not us that needs the convincing, it's the lenders,and sothat'sthewallthatwe'vebeen hittingup against. 487
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Mayor McLewis: Councilmember Carter?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You'regonna need to go, right. 489
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Mayor McLewis: I'm sorry, what are we doing here?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Apologies forlate. Hi, I'm Circe Schur, I'm a partnerofDanielei's.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm just gonnacomment on, some of these questions.
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MayorMcLewis:Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And Idid not hear, everythingthat Daniele said, but…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I feel like, right now, it's the spread, and while we can get some bank financing, and we have, you know, our investors,the costs and the interest rates have gone up so exponentially forus that, we need morecapital.That's the… that's the…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: theessence of it. Find us a capital partner. 496
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That'show you can help us. 497
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Ifyou really want to know, because while we had the money, and…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: then just rates went… skyrocketed, and do you want to takethat risk? It's… it's not… you know, we are small. We're notoperating an aubertgeproperty.We'reoperatinga piazza hospitalityproperty,and… 499
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, there's a differencein what banks look at that way. Do you want to know bearish in themiddle of town? I don'tthink so. So, 500
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Anyway, that's… that's the essence of it, andwe're still working on it. I mean, I talked to two people last week, to help us find capital partners. So we are working on it, it's just…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that it's very expensive. And we're also looking at ways to make it less expensive.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Believe me, I've been workingon this for a very long time. I love Sebastopol. I think it's an awesome place. I get that it serves so much of a greater market on West County, and it has alot to offer beyond wine and 504
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, proximity tothe coast, so many good things. So, we're still very interested, and, findus some more money, and we'll build it. 505
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Mayor McLewis: Well, I just… I'm just gonnacomment on… since I asked… I mean, we… obviously, as a council, we're not finding you money, but if there's anything that we can do in the city to make it more appealing, I think it would be good for us to understand that. So, I'm trying to see… CouncilmemberCarter, youhad your hand up, andthen Councilmember Zollman?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I was just gonna saythat, you know, one thingthat Council is doing with its Enterprise Committee and other things is trying to help you solve this chicken and egg problem, you know, with having, like, an under,known market forthis kind ofthing. Like, why do people come to Sebastopol? 507
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: What are the businesses here? Is there a natural draw? Could it support a hotel?
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Mayor McLewis: of these?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So…
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Mayor McLewis: I just want tomake sure we're in the questions, because I have… I'm getting comments that we want to make sure we're in thequestions. 511
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MayorMcLewis:Justasking.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Question mark?
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Mayor McLewis: I'm just saying, because we'renot inthe comments yet, so if we have questions forthem, I want tokeep us on track.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah,so, like, if… We'll get to it later. 515
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Mayor McLewis: Okay. Councilmember Solman.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah,so I'm still stuck onthisproject, this fourth project in Healdsburg, because I took notes, and I thought you said it was approved 4years ago, but you've been trying to do something forus for the last 10years,so I'm confused. So you have enough trust in them to go through this rocky financialperiod. 517
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To doa fourth project, but not… 518
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: with us, or did I not understand that? Yeah, sorry if I was unclear ormisspoke in any way. No, our project in Healdsburg has not been moving forward. It is entitled, but it is not moving forward. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Mayor McLewis: Vice Mayor.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But isn't it true that you havea hotel project that you've been building for the last somany years in Healdsburg right now? 522
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Imean, haven't you been working on one?Or in the last… Thelast hotelproject that we built and opened in Healdsburg was in 2018. 523
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.This fourth… And you completed it in 2018? It opened in2018, correct.
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Mayor McLewis: A question that I have, and it's more ofthe nuts and bolts, and it's somethingthat someone from Piazza had toldme in the past, was that some ofthe Agenda Item Number 3
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financingyouwereobtainingthroughfederalmoney,and therewasan archaeological survey dig, whatever, that had to happenon that property. Has that been done yet? I understand it was supposed to be done by Sonoma State, and 525
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Mayor McLewis: It seems like an, you know, what is the status of that, and where is that at, to help you
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Mayor McLewis: Get down to the financing.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sure, yeah, so it's, as you mentioned, we have a contract with SonomaState University to use some graduate students to help us, sort of. 528
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center:collect and catalogany archaeological items that wedofind.Wehad someinitialarchaeologicalworkthathappened when wedemolished the building, because it was a ground disturbance activity, and sowe had monitorsthat came and found someartifacts, which led to this archaeological requirement. The plan is, it's not…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: it's not a barrier to sort of atimely groundbreaking.It'sa 2-3 week process wherethey've identified, sort of, the most likely, areastocontain deposits.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And they will go in, andthey'lldo their work, and they'll, I don't remember exactly how much soilthey're removing, but it's… at certain points, they're removing soil, they'recollecting the artifacts, and then they'rebringing them off-site to analyze and catalogthem.
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Mayor McLewis: Oh, go ahead, I'm sorry.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No, no, I was just gonna say, it would be 2-3 weeks before groundbreaking, that process would take place.
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Mayor McLewis: And is that a cost to you, to have…
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Mayor McLewis: Okay, and so that's still in place, and it's just sort of pending there. I guess, is there a reason why you wouldn't just get that done so that you can continue moving along with this?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, Imean, I think it's, 537
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'rekind of… it would be paid forthrough proceeds from ourconstruction loan, because it's part of theconstruction process, and so we're waiting to greenlight it before we, so we're waiting to have an approved construction loan before greenlighting it.
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Mayor McLewis: So this doesn't have anything to do with the federal funding, then? I just want to understand this, because that's what Iwas told at oneof themeetings, so… 539
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right,right,right. No, it does have, it is related to federalfunding,becausethe,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: thecity and state archaeological requirements are less stringent thanthe federal archaeological requirements. So as a result ofthe, what's referred to as the CPACE funding program, which I mentioned previously, which is a federalprogram.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We are subject to federal regulations, which means,froman archaeologicalperspective,wehavetocomplywith federal 542
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: law. And so, because that funding is still in place and will be part of our package, it's still a requirement for us. 543
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Mayor McLewis: I see. Thank you. Are there other questions? 544
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Mayor McLewis: No? If not, then we can go to public comment. 545
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'regonna go ahead and goto public comment. Sorry, we were just checking tomake sure thefront door was open. 547
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sothis is public comment onthe informational item on the report out on the Hotel Sebastopol. If you would like tomake a public comment. It is atwo-minute public comment. Igo to chambers andthen Zoom, and if there's anyone inchambers that would like tomake a publiccomment. 548
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Please, go ahead and… I'm sorry? 549
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's kind of a… I thought…I didn't quite understand why it didn't get asked.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The… if he's going to break ground, and you have to have the archaeological information done before, could it not stop you from breaking ground if they decided there was some issue in the archaeological? Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, this is just for publiccomment right now, so we can… I can't ask questions. You can ask a question, and we'llcome back to it at the end of public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou. So I'll go out to Zoom. Oliver, can you mute yourself, please?
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Oliver: Yep, unmuted.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou. Can you see the timer? 555
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Oliver:Ican,yeah.
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Oliver: I'm just thinking, and this is like a 10-yearanniversaryexplanation of whywehavea huge piece of land in the middle of thecity, just sitting there with tumbleweed on it while people drive byand decide not to stop in thecity.
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Oliver: while you were talking there, I was looking on my computer and rememberingthe tractor supply company that used to be there,which had acouple of old vintage tractors parked outside, whichwas very much in the spirit ofthe city, as people drove through. 559
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Oliver:So,a coupleofthings.Oneis,thearchaeologicalthing.That'sbeen buzzingaround for years, and that could actually be really important if that's historically significant. That's where the old Chinatown was, as I was led to understand. 560
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Oliver: So, to me, I don't know if they, Piazza could find grants or something for that, or somethingcould be done to see if you could even build a hotel there at this point in time. 561
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Oliver: And presumably that really limits anything else that could be done on that land, in case damage is done to historical artifacts. But having said that, Imean, I wasn't a fan of the public art that was there. I would really liketo see… Agenda Item Number 3
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Oliver: that land, if it's not being used by Piazzato actuallybreak ground and build a hotel. I think they should be making a lot moreof an effort to make thecity ofSebastopol look a lot more attractive to people drivingthrough.
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Oliver: Even if it's somekind of historicalexhibit or something like that,and an explanation of the upcoming hotel.
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Oliver: Obviously, it's a very dangerous crossroads. I think that's the busiest crossroads in all of SonomaCounty, so…
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Oliver: You'd have to bevery, very careful with pedestrians and soon, but, 566
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Oliver: At the end ofthe day, I'd really quite liketo see a public hearingon this,given that it's 10 years now, and it's apparent nothing is going to happen for anotherfew years. So that's my public comment, thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Oliver, for your public comment. Next, I will come back intochambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment on this item.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Please come up to the podium. 569
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'll touch it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It seems as if what Sebastopol is actually… what…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: By thenumbers, and by theamount of peoplethat are here, and how full our current one hotel is,what would be sort of ahook, line, and sinker is if what the project was… was a hotel.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It seems like the addition ofthe retail spaces, the spas,allof thosethingswhich wehavein abundancehere,and asa smallbusinessowner in this town, it is hard to be a small business.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: and continue to do what I do, and make enough money to do it, to employ people that are localand all of those things. Is there a draft of this, project
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That is just.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: ahotel.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou for your publiccomment. Next, I will go out to Zoom.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Kate, can you unmute yourself, please? 578
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kate: Good evening.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou. Can you still see the timer? 580
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kate: I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Great,go ahead, please. 582
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kate: I have two publiccomments.
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kate: One is that thetype of hotel that's built, the number ofrooms, and the price ofthe rooms has a direct impact on the revenue for the city in terms of TOT. And so, therefore, the project of the hotel should be thought of inconcert
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kate: Not only of the developer's needs, of course, but also the city's needs for revenue. So, if the developer scalesback the number of rooms, orthe kind of pricepoint of the rooms. Agenda Item Number 3
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kate: that has a direct impact on thecity's revenue and thecity's budget. So I think that's somethingthat needs to be taken intoconsideration, especiallybecause this is a prime piece of developable land in themiddle ofthecity, and so if we forfeit this land to a project that doesn't end up generating
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kate: its full potential for revenue, we won't beable to kind ofturn back the clock on that. So each pieceof land that's developed in city limits of Sebastopol hasthe potential to be an economic generatorfor thecity itself, so thecity cando thingslike pave our roads and maintain ourparks,andsowe'vealreadylosta significantamount 587
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kate: of land to properties that generate no revenue and take resources, so I thinkthat needs to be part oftheequation. My secondcomment follows Oliver's comment. 588
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kate: And that I'd like tosee the lot more active, even if it's in terms of wrapping the trees and solar lights. It is very dangerous to have access to the lot from thebusy intersections, but if there's a way to link it more directly with the Barlow, 589
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kate: So that peoplecould perhaps access part of it for, like. Agenda Item Number 3
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kate: You know, a small dog run.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's 2minutes.
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kate: Okay, thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou for your publiccomment. Next, I'll come back into chambers, if there's anyone on chambers that would like to make a public comment onthis item.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on this item, please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, public comment is closed. 596
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Mayor McLewis: Alright, thank you verymuch.We're back at the dais for comments, from my colleagues before Ido mine.
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MayorMcLewis:Doesanyonehaveanycomments? Idohavea question.Iknow wehad these two questions, if I can, just ask them very quicklyof our, 598
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Mayor McLewis: From Piazza, and it is a question I stillwonder, is could, you know, not doing thedig that I hadasked about for thearchaeological stuff,couldn't that, in fact, delay the project if you don't get that done? Imean, I've heard this so many times from different. 599
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right,so I think it would be, 600
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SebastopolCommunityCulturalCenter:Thetypicalwaythatarchaeologicaldigshappen as it relates to grounddisturbance and development is that there's usually an archaeological
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Archaeologist on-site, sort ofmonitoringthe activity and looking forartifacts as
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: dirt isbeing moved, right? Asa result of our federallyfunded loan packageand thesortof morestringentrequirements,weactually have a recovery plant that has been approved by the federal regulatoryagency in terms of 603
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: they're good with what we'reproposing in terms of digging upcertainareas, removing the artifacts, and setting them on-site. And so, the schedule that I gave, you know, two to three weeks, is very mucha known schedule. 604
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There's nothingthat… that could happen that would…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That would delay it, because it's… it's a sort of… 606
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Agreed upon, archaeological, dig and maneuver. 607
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sothere's really no unknownsor risk as a result of the
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The previous ground disturbance andthe previous monitoringthatwasdonewhen thebuilding,theformerbuilding,wasbeingdemolished. 609
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Mayor McLewis: Okay, and then we had another question just about the draft of Just a Hotel. I know you said that you…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, that's certainly something that we look at. I think it's just importantto note, and another public commenter sort ofalluded to this, that 611
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Everytime you either reduce the number of rooms or devote space to adifferent use within a project, it changes the performa, and it changes the bottom line.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Certainly, we've tried to maximize the sort of, golden ticket of this kind of development, which is the hotel rooms themselves. 613
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But inorder to sell hotel rooms, in order to get a certain rate forhotel rooms, you do have to provide additional amenities, be it spa, be it restaurants, be it sort of really lovely curated retail or lovely grounds,and so it's a delicate rope to walk.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But yes, we are considering, alternatives that… 615
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That changed the sort of landuse mix within the development, and that could lead to morehotel rooms, less retail, as an example. 616
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Mayor McLewis: Okay, thank you so much for answering those. I just think this is an important topic, and people have questions, so I wanted to addressthose. Thank you. 617
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Mayor McLewis: Oh, Councilmember Hinton?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I… this hotel is partly why I ranfor office in 2016. I wanted tobeinvolved in how Sebastopol
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: grew and was shaped, and this hotel was one of the hottest topics the year I ran for office. So, been involved with it fora long time. I think very highly ofthese operators. I've visited theirproject that they opened in San LuisObispo when they were in the growth mode.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Before COVID, and obviously, COVID changed a lot ofthings. Unfortunately, I think for our town,we've lost, Greg Beal's project, delivery. It had to be reimagined due to interest rates andhigh constructioncosts. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I'm alsovery well awareof the holethat sits in the center of Windsor, the hotel that was stopped in Catati, the hotel that's trying to move forward in Petaluma, so we are not alone.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I just… I don't take this personally. It's a huge project, it's a beautiful project, and I understand that I don't want a hotel built in the middle of our townthat folds or something. Theyhave to have financing theycan live with. So, 625
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I do think West County, and I know they know, we onlyhaveAirbnbstorelyon,and onelittletinyhotel,which people… 626
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we're lucky to have, but it's moderate, it's full a lot, and it doesn't reflect what Ithink a lot of people are looking for, so… 627
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm supportive tonight of the extension. I hope you can figureoutyourotherhalf of financing.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You come, you stand in front of us, you've got a project, I really appreciate that. Sothose are my comments tonight. 629
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Mayor McLewis: Okay. Anyone else have comments?
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Mayor McLewis: Okay. I just have a few then, ifno one else has any. I just wanted… I… first of all, I just think it's unfortunate that…that thehotels kind of… and I say this just with humor, that it's kind ofbecome an urban legend. People talk about itall the time, that hotel that's not coming, that is coming,
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Mayor McLewis: I would love to see thiscome to fruition, and I have, 632
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MayorMcLewis:Ijusthavegreatconcern over,youknow,what'shappening,and Iknow we're not alone to Councilmember Hinton's, you know, words as far asall the different hotels. I just…
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MayorMcLewis:I'mhopingthatperhaps…andmaybethisisalreadyhappeningwith city staff, but I think it would be really helpful for the Council if… for us, and for me in particular, to understand ifthere'sany way that we as a council, if there's anything we can do to actually, you know, improve the downtown, and if that would help in any way, because I've heard thisbefore,thatwe'renotproven,we'renota proven market. 634
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Mayor McLewis: And so, you know, I… I… I continue to say, if there's any… anything that we can do totweak to help, to makethe place more attractive, I hope that you would, feel that you can… that Piazzawould, communicate with us and
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Mayor McLewis: We see this as a, you know, this is a shared, 636
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Mayor McLewis: project for us. Imean, we really… the TOT is super important to us, soat any rate, I'm supporting this for now, but I'm just hoping that, you know, as I see some interest rates
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Mayor McLewis: coming down. Idon't knowhow longthat willlast, but I just hopethat somewhere alongthe line that this might be, you know, you might reach a point where you actually can do something. So at any rate, I'm supporting it this evening, but,youknow, with a bit of pause andconcern over whether or not,you know, we're just continuing down this decade-long path of a non-existentspace.So,anyway. Agenda Item Number 3
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Mayor McLewis: Those are my comments. Does anyone else have anything before? 639
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Mayor McLewis: Vice Mayor?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah,my understanding is that there's no action required tonight, just thank you forcoming andtalking to us. Thank youfor your updates, but I don't think we need to do anything. No, that's correct, it's just an informational item. Thank you very much.
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Mayor McLewis: I just wanted to make sure if anyone else had anything to say, so ifnot, then we'll just accept this and move on, and thank you all for coming and standingbefore everybody and answering all of these questions, so…
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MayorMcLewis:Alright.
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Mayor McLewis: Let me just get my next page here, and we'll move on to, 644
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Mayor McLewis: Oh, let's see, that's the end ofour informational items. We don't have any public hearings this evening, so we'll be moving on to item number 9, which is our, regular calendar,agenda items,discussion,and ouraction.
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Mayor McLewis: Number 9 is our special event fee waivers. Kiwanis Club April 4th Easter Egg Hunt fee waiver has been requested in theamount of$400, andthis is Public Works, I believe?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes,thank you, Mayor and Council. So, this is our special event for theKiwanis Club throws annually for an Easter egg hunt at Ives Park. It occurredlast Saturday,just before Easter, and they submitted a letter foryour consideration requesting that the event fees are waived for that event. 647
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MayorMcLewis:Alright.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah,usually we get these requests before the event. I'm just curiouswhat… whenthey submitted this. I mean… 650
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: it'd begreat if somebody's here that could then speak to, like, how successful the event was. Was it free for thepeoplethat attended? Anyway, usually we get these ahead of time, soI'm interested in hearing from theapplicant or staff about when this came in.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We received the request at the beginning of March, and I missed just the deadlines for just the meeting before this.I needed to get it to the Budget Committee for their assessment, and we didn't have just enough timeto get it on the
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: theagenda item, or the report for the March 17th. So, we will have onescoming forward in the next council meeting for events that have not taken place yet.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, can I ask a follow-upquestion? Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: this isa small amount, and inthe past, these sort of small amounts didn't necessarily go before the Budget Committee and then tothe full council. Is that policy changed, or could this have come straight to us so it wasn'tdelayed till after the event? Because that would be important to me. 655
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: any financial…any financialmatter now that is either a revenue, that we will be missing, or acost that we may be waiving, does go tothe Budget Committee now.
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MayorMcLewis:Okay? Doesanyoneelsehavequestions?
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Mayor McLewis: And I apologize, I can't see Vice Mayors. Okay. 658
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Mayor McLewis: I'm sorry, did you say something sounds more harder? 659
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No.
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Mayor McLewis: Oh, okay. Okay, well, if we don't have any, 661
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Mayor McLewis: Any questions, thenwe can do public comment. 662
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, this is an opportunity formembers of the public to speak on the request forthe waiver offees for the Easteregg hunt that did happen just recently. If you'd like to make a public comment, it is a 2-minutepubliccomment. If there's anyone here that would like to make a public comment. 663
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That would like to discuss theevent, please come up.
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SebastopolCommunityCulturalCenter:Thebasketball,KiwantisClub hasbeen doingthis event for over 47 years.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It is one of our favorite events. 666
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It dovetails perfectly with ourmission, which is service to children.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's a great family event, and 668
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would… we would appreciate the fee waiver. 669
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou for your publiccomment. Next, I'll go out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment onthis item, to please raise your handvirtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: CNN, I will come back intochambers. Anyone else from Chambers, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: ElenaChantha Kiwanis, it is afree event, for whoever asked. It's been free for47years. We raise funds for the fireworks to pay for the Easter egg hunt and the Halloween event, so it is free, lots of happy kids, so…and we do, we do, provide allof the candy, the members
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center:chip in, and the rest comes from the club, so… This would help a lot.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou for your publiccomment, please. 675
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Didn't know I was gonnacome tonight, let alone speak, but here's take two. I have…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: been,fortunate enough to… well, to know Bruce formany,manyyears,sincehisdaughterwasin high school.When theKiwanisClub comesdowntown andasksfordonationsfromlocalbusinesses. 677
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: for this event, I have happilycontributed to that. So not only does the event… is the event free for children andfamilies, but after the event, the familiescome downtown.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And they have breakfast. Theycome and get their Easter cookie. They, are so full of joy and happiness, and, so many people come into my business talking about what a fantastic town this is that hasthis typeof event. 679
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: four families, and fourchildren, and four kids, and it's not just exclusive to Ives Park, but it really does bring people into… into downtown, from all over West County.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I fully support. 681
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Waiving their fee. 682
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou for your publiccomment. Next, I'll go out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment, to pleaseraiseyourhandvirtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing then, I will come backinto Chambers. Any furtherpubliccommentfromChambers?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, public comment is closed. 685
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Mayor McLewis: Alright, oh, Vice Mayor?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'd just like to make a motion to approvethe waiver of the special event permit fees for the Kiwanis Easter Egg Hunt in the amount of $400.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'll second.
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Mayor McLewis: And I just wanted to comment very quickly. Oh, Councilmember Hayden, go ahead, me, if you want.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I just have a comment, 690
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And Iguess I'll pursue this in another way, but I just think that with a47-year-old tradition in this town that is free. 691
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that's asking for a waiver, that's probably asked for a waiver for many, many years, that I would have preferred to have thiscome to fullcouncil, and so a small item likethis,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: feels like it got held up in our process to go to the Budget Committee, Ms. Stark First Council deadline, and we could have approved it before the event actually happened. So, I want to rethink small budgetary items, because 693
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Maybe we can,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: bringthem along. I don't know when this new policy happenedthat asmall budgetary item couldn't get to the Council quicker, so that's mycomment,and I'llpursuethatin another…anotherfashion. 695
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Mayor McLewis: And I just wanted to comment, I saw a lot of the, the good socialmedia coverage of this event,so I think it was a reallywonderful, feel-good thing for Sebasto, which it is every year, so, go ahead, Vice Mayor.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah,did the club have to pay for this, andthen we'rereimbursing? Isthatwhat'shappening?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so, Councilmember Hinton, are you trying to avoid that?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I justwould have liked to have seen it mainstreamed, to not have to go to the budget subcommittee, it couldhave come straight to us.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No further comments or questions? I'll call them. 700
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Mayor McLewis: Well, there was the question,are we reimbursing, ordid they pay for it already?
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Mayor McLewis: I mean, sorry, are we reimbursing, orhave they not paid for it? 702
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would have to defer to the Public Works. 703
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't take in the application,so I'm not aware if it came in, if they paid forit. We can ask Bruce.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It would be a reimbursement.Thank you for clarifying.
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MayorMcLewis:Okay.
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Mayor McLewis: Just trying to make sure all questions are answered. So we have a motion… we have a motion anda second,correct? Sowe can just… 707
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We do. So moved by Vice Mayor Maurerand seconded byCouncilmemberCartertoapprovethespecialeventfeewaiverfortheKiwanis Club forthe Easter EggHunt in the amount of$400. Councilmember Carter? Yes. Councilmember Hinton? Aye. CouncilmemberZolman? Yes. Vice Mayor… Vice Mayor Maurer? Yes.MayorMcLewis? Aye.
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Mayor McLewis: Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Motion passes unanimously. 710
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MayorMcLewis:Okay,thankyou.
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Mayor McLewis: All right, moving on to number10, approval of Memorandum of Understandingwith ServiceEmployeesInternationalUnionLocalSEIU 1021,andthiswill be covered by Administrative Services.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm gonna go ahead and introduce the item, and then have our Human Resources Consultant, Deborah Mushmore, provide the report. So, as you just stated, this,is the Memorandum ofUnderstanding forthe SAIU employees, which is Public Works and administrative staff.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Aftermonths of negotiations, we were able to get to an agreement. They ratified, the…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: group ratified theproposal, so it is now before the City Council. So I'm going toturn it over to Deborah Muchmore to provide the other remaininginformation.
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Mayor McLewis: Alright, thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Goodevening, Mayor and Council Members. It's Debra Muchmore, Human Resources Advisor for theCity. Yes, this item before you is to requesting approval of the Successor Memorandum of Understandingbetween the City of Sebastopoland theServiceEmployeesInternationalUnion,Local1021. 717
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Soover 7 months, thecity and SEIU met and conferred in good faith,and, came up with, keyelements and terms forthe successor MFU. 718
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: agreeing on a one-time off-schedulepaymentof $3,000 for each member, whichmeans that doesn't get reported to PERS, so there isn't that ongoingcost.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: A3% salary increase, monthly bilingual stipend for up to2 employees.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And areimbursement program for Sonoma County RegionalParksPass.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oncea year. And then, there's also some other non-monetary agreements around contractingout and things like that.So we're askingthe Council to approve thesuccessor MOU.
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Mayor McLewis: Okay, thank you. Any questions?
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Mayor McLewis: From anyone?
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MayorMcLewis:Okay.
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MayorMcLewis:Thankyou,Debra.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou.
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Mayor McLewis: Mary, do we want to go to public comment, since we don't have any questions?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Mayor. So this is public comment on theapprovalof theMemorandumof Understandingwith theSEIU BargainingGroup.If you'd like to make a public comment. Again, it's a two-minute public comment period. I will come toChambers first.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment, Kyle, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Kyle Falbo: Yes, I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, can you see the timer? 732
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KyleFalbo:Yeah,Ican.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Great,go ahead, please. 734
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Kyle Falbo: I'm bummed I had to step out of the room for amoment for the presentation, but I'm hoping that there was some clear communication to the public about just how long thisprocesswenton,and what
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Kyle Falbo: led up to the actual agreement, that there was, in fact, strike sanctions that were authorized by theunion as a result of failed negotiations that ledus to the point where we have this contract today. So I'm hopingthat that was clearlyarticulated in the, in the presentation tonight.
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KyleFalbo:Secondly,Ididn'thavea chancetoread through,buttherewasa public comment that somebody made, particularlyabout
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Kyle Falbo: A clause in there about… it seemed like a first right of refusal for providing services that were within scope of the job descriptions that are, withinthose 738
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Kyle Falbo: positions. This goes to a long-standing concern that I've shared with this council,which isthatweareregularlyoutsourcinglabor.Laborthatisunionized laborwith job descriptions that are well within the scopeof the employees that we have within the city.
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Kyle Falbo: So, I would just hope maybe a littlebit more context about that clause, and in particular about how, the responsibility ofcityand city management to make surethat the work that we areauthorizing is within scope.
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Kyle Falbo: of the employees that are doing that work, and that we're not using, you know, tactics like emergency need, or, you know, rather thanrecognizing deferred maintenance, right? So, when you defer the maintenance onyour infrastructure for as longas we have. Agenda Item Number 3
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Kyle Falbo: We get to aplace where we have emergency need of repair. 742
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Kyle Falbo: where if wehad actually authorized for ourown labor to provide that service to our city, then we wouldn't be in those positions where we're having to go to outside contractors at the last minute. So, maybe a little bit of addressing some of thosethings would be great. Thanks.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Kyle, for your public comment. Next, I will come into chambers. If anyone would like to make a public comment. Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. Lee, can you unmute yourself, please? 744
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Lee: Yep.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, can you see the timer? 746
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Lee: I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Great,go ahead, please. 748
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Lee: Yeah, I think that was the public comment that Kyle was talking about, but since I've submitted my public comment, and I think this is a really, really ridiculous thing, this contracting out provision. It appearsthat it's a state law. That's interesting. It wasn't inthe explained inthe staff report, it would have saved me sometime, because then I would understand whywe'redoingit.
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Lee: I do think that, andthis is to Councilmember Hinton's, you know, comment about the inefficiencies of something like a $400,
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Lee: request that probably cost us$800 toprocess, through all ofthe levels of bureaucracy that wehave in a city of3,000 people. But,
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Lee: I think it would beworthwhile for somebody onthe Council to ask more about the45- day requirement before some RFP can be submitted. How is that going to bemanaged? Is it goingtohappenbeforethe
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Lee: City Council gets the RFP, so the unionwill meet with the city andthen agree to it so that they can submit it to the council. Does that delay every project by 45 days? It's a month and a half,that'sexpensivein an inflationaryenvironmentlikewe're in right now. 753
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Lee: And I just think it would be good to underst… for theCouncil to understand that maybe things are going tohappen a lot slower than they ever thought they were, if they ever thought they were moving fast. Thanks.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Lee, for your public comment. Next, I'll come back into thechambers. If there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment. Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment, pleaseraise your hand virtually. 755
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, public comment is closed on this item.
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MayorMcLewis:Okay,we'rebackatthedais.Doesanyonehaveanycomments? 757
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Mayor McLewis: Before we… do we have amotion?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'll goahead and move staff'srecommendation. 759
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'll second that. 760
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MayorMcLewis:Okay?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou. So moved by Councilmember Zolman, and seconded byViceMayorMaurertoapprovetheMemorandumofUnderstandingwith the Service Employees InternationalUnion, Local 1021. Councilmember Carter? Yes. Councilmember Hinton? Aye. CouncilmemberZolman? Yes. Vice Mayor Maurer? Aye. 762
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, Mayor McLewis? 763
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Mayor McLewis: Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Motion passes unanimously. 765
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MayorMcLewis:Thankyou.Alright.
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Mayor McLewis: Let's see, moving on to number 11,consideration ofgood cause determination for automatic removal of Planning Commissioner due to absences pursuant to Sebastobal Municipal Code Section 2.24.030. This is covered by… is it our planningand our city attorney, so I don't know who's planning to lead this. 767
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I can… I can start this one, Mayor. Thank you. Jane Riley,InterimPlanningDirector,again,contractposition. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We… it… This is rather an unfortunate item, and I'm sorry to be bringing it to you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We have a piece of our codethat says when a planning commissioner misses three meetingsin a row,they are automatically off of the commission.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That'sa piece ofcode. That's not somethingthat we're able to do something about. We do haveCommissioner Kanzlerhere, who is here to make a good cause claim if theCity Council finds that 771
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: he missed these meetings with good cause, then they mayreappoint him to the Commission immediately. If they do not find that good cause hasoccurred,then theywould declarevacancyon thePlanningCommission. 772
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: again,effective immediately.And Commissioner Kanzler is here. I will say, in the Commissioner's defense, that I did not realize he was on 3 in a row until it had already happened. Had I realized that, I would have reached out,and we may have been ableto avoid this situation.So, just wanted to let you know that. Agenda Item Number 3
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Mayor McLewis: Okay, and Mia, is anyone… Our city attorney, were you doing anything on this, or just…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No, happy to answer any questions. It's up to the council tonight whether or not to grant the good cause, or not. 775
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Mayor McLewis: Got it, okay.
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Mayor McLewis: So then the question I have is, we're backat the dais here. This is an unusual circumstancehere. I don't know, what the will of thecouncil is, if we'd like to hear from
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Mayor McLewis: From the Commissioner first,or ifyou just have questions that you'd just like to,
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Mayor McLewis: Go ahead, Vice Milk.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: He's standing at thepodium. 780
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Mayor McLewis: I'm sorry, I can't see the podium.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so, I'd like to ask that he just make his statement.
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Mayor McLewis: Okay, sorry, yeah, now I can see. Thank you, sorry, I didn't realize. Go ahead.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, thank you. Alex Kanzler,I think technically former PlanningCommissioner, I served on thePlanning Commission from September 16th,2025through March 16th,2026, when I was then informedby, Interim Director, Jane that I was in violation of Code 2.24.030 vacancy and removal. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I wasdefinitely disappointed. I take responsibility for knowing thecode. Ishould have read through it indetail. I should have been more aware, that this provision was in place, and that it was incumbent uponme tofulfill it. That said,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I sent a very… what I thought was a very detailed, email explanation of events, and sort of my point ofview on both my time in the Council and my time during theabsences. I sent that tocity staff, as well as Planning Commission, as well as,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: theCity Council here, so… 787
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That kind of lays out, everything. Hopefully everybody's somewhat familiar with it. I'm happy to take questions about any of that. If you guys want me to read itinto the record, I'm happy to, but, generally, you know,I'm open for questions, comments,concerns, cross-examination, points of clarification, and I'd love to be back on the Planning Commission if you guys want me. 788
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Mayor McLewis: Councilmember Zolman?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, first, thankyou for being here, and yes, can definitely commiserate,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: withthe need to keep on all the various rules and regulations, for any one position. My question,since you are here, is now that you know this, and in reading through your email, it doessound like your business andyourbusiness situation is…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: is a lot.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, now that you know this, and you know the importance, at least tome as a council member, for the PlanningCommission to meet when it needs to meet, and the meetings, as you kind of indicated inthe email, are haphazard,buttheywillbehaphazard.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And we are expecting, when somethingthat needs to go through Planet Commission, that there be a full body to hear it, to provide recommendations to us, because we're not experts.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Inthearea, right? So having, like, now a full appreciation of what the job entails, are you available? Should we decide to find good cause and reinstate you?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Honestly, Councilman, I'm not entirely sure how to answer that. You acknowledge that the meeting calendar is haphazard. I outline in my email that my travel schedule for work is subject to a lot of other factors. 796
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: wouldsay, if this is relevant, that for two ofthe three meetings that I missed, I submitted comments both tocity staff and to my fellow council members. I wasn't instructed todo that. I didn't know what I was supposed to do when I missed ameeting. The first time I reached out to city staff with my comments, concerns, following all the agenda items, you know, suggestions, comments, etc, I never heard back. The second time when I reached out to a
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: They sent me back in text that I should just talk to staff, so I was really kind of lost, onwhat that does. 799
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Ithinkit would be beneficial,whether I'm onthe council or not, for there to be some sort of procedure or playbook for what, 800
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: planning commissioner is meant to do if they can't attend ameeting in purpose, or excuse me, in person. But yeah, to your point, the calendar's haphazard, you know, most of my travel is limited to the firstquarter oftheyear, but yeah, to be perfectly honest withyou, if I have an opportunity to gosell wine and supportmybusinessin a high wine-consumingmarket,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I will go do that. 802
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, thank you forthe honesty. 803
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Mayor McLewis: Vice Mayor?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm gonna ask the same question a little bit differently, but are you able to prioritize the Planning Commission meetings, or is yourwork 805
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Gonna be prioritized. 806
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Imean, you kind of answered that, but… My work is prioritized. I would add that before February, I had a perfect attendance record. I never missed a meetingfrom September 2016, whenI was appointed bythis council, all the way through themonth ofJanuary, so it was circumstantialthat I missedthese meetings, especiallythreein a row.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I wasnot aware of the rule. I really… I think, as I showed in my email, I tried to be
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: extremely communicative as to where my… what my whereabouts were, and still participating inall agenda items, keeping up to date with, Agenda Item Number 3
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what was coming before the Council, communicating with my fellow Planning Commissioner members. But yeah, as far as the crux of the question, you know, I run a four-person familybusinessin an extremelychallengingenvironmentrightnow.Soyeah, it's…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I haveto prioritize my family business. It literally puts food on the table. Just to clarify, the Planning Commission meetings, they meet on 810
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the second and the fourth Tuesdays, so is it possible for you to carve those out, knowing that, you know, that those are… whether they're canceled or they're not canceled, can you carve those out as a priority? 811
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Absolutely, and to the extent that the calendar staysconsistent,which…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: was not my experience for the first part of my tenure. Yes, it will absolutely, like, factor into my travel plans, 100%. Yeah, I don't understand that, because I think the PlanningCommission meetingsare the second and fourth,and if theydon'thappen,they'rejustcanceled.Sohow aretheyinconsistentif they'rehappeningthesecond andthefourth?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would ask for a little bit of grace, like, I got onthis on September 16th, the extent of mytraining for the PlanningCommission was about a 30- minute Zoom call withanother interim planner.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: bunch of meetings were canceled, we had this walking meeting, that was cool, and so I was really just kind of getting in the flow ofthings. When I did have the absences, again, I felt I over-communicated both to citystaff and to fellow planningcommissioners,and
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: did my best. So I have onemore, and I just want to impress upon you the idea that submitting comments is not the same as being at a meeting and actuallydialoguingwith yourplanningcommissioners,becausethat'sthewaythat 816
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: gooddecisions get made is in that dialogue, listening to the public, listening to each other, and making decisions from there. It's not enough to just submit comments. The five-person board isreallycritical. 817
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In terms of that decision-making. Agenda Item Number 3
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Mayor McLewis: I want to give CouncilmemberHinton a chance to askher questions. She's had herhand up forawhile.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou. My first question is, just like our mayor's zooming in tonight, canyou zoom in from location? 822
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, Iwas advised that I could attend via Zoom, but I cannot.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: be a part of thecouncilor vote. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is that true? We have to notice that ahead of time. We'd have to… we'd have to know ahead of time. We have to be able toput the address 826
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: From where the Council, commissioner is attending remotelyon the agenda, so we need to know…
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Mayor McLewis: So that would be 72 hours ahead of time, right? 828
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Correct. Probably more like 96 hours, so we can get it on theagenda bythe time it's published.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Would you be able to accommodate that, do you think, if you were traveling? Absolutely.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I had another question, but now I've forgotten it. Hmm…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'll let you guys go, and I'll come back. 833
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Mayor McLewis: I had a… I had a question just… so… so zooming in is… isn't… that was the… the one question I had for thecity staff, was that…that is zooming in, so who is it that is publishing… just remind me, who is it that's publishing these agendas, and whowould, need to have this communication with them for the96 hours? I just want to be clear sothat we're allon the same page. City staff?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So… Planning staff would bethe one that would beresponsiblefortheagenda.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Commissioner Kansler would need to let them know ahead oftime theaddress, location, phone number. We would need to post that onto the agenda. They would also need to post the location where that meeting is going to take place. It would have tobe available. But he would be able to zoom in that way. But yes, it would be to the planning staff.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Theywould put it on the agenda, and thenwe would post it with the packet.
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Mayor McLewis: And then the other question Ihave, just for semantics, so that, again, all on the same page, when meetings are canceled, is… are these all just… is it… I don't know how this works. Is it… is it done way ahead oftime, or is it last minute?I'm just wondering, so that allcommissioners, you know.
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Mayor McLewis: we can respect their time, because obviously they'renot being paid, they need to have their jobs,just like the rest of us, so we can survive. Who,you know, who decides when they're canceled, and how…what kind of notice is given forthat? 839
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In mybrief experience, ameeting cancellation took placeat the previous meeting, so at the end of X meeting, we said, oh, we're not going to have a meeting twoweeks from now.
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Mayor McLewis: I see.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So… And to schedule professional travel, two weeks is not a lot of heads up.
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Mayor McLewis: Got it, yeah, I used to travel a lot, so, okay. All right, I just wanted, I just wanted to have that, you know, public conversation so that we can, 843
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Mayor McLewis: you know, help. So anyway, are there any other questions? If not, we'll go to public comment.
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Mayor McLewis: No? Okay, thank you so much, Alex.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Zano. This is for public comment for the determination ofthe Just Cause. If you'd like to make a public comment, I willcome to Chambers first. Again, there's a 2-minute time limit.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I'll go out to Zoom. Kyle, can you mute yourself, please?
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KyleFalbo:Ican.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, can you see the timer still? 849
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Kyle Falbo: I can't.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Great,go ahead, please. 851
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Kyle Falbo: There's a kind of a clear distinctionbetween, 852
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Kyle Falbo: the role of the Planning Commission, and the roleof, say, a City Council member.
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Kyle Falbo: The scope of the process andthe scheduling of the agenda items is a little bit more consistent and predictable.
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Kyle Falbo: And then on the other side, city council members are actually paid for their service, and also receive the, ability of health benefits, which, to the tune of thousands of dollars each year.
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KyleFalbo:Sotheidea aboutbeingcriticalabouttheattendanceof a planning commissioner, Ithink it's important that we, asa community, also lookat just our attendance policies forother bodies, considering City Council. And somaybe, we've had a lot ofconversation tonight about, you know.
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KyleFalbo:accommodations,andbeingabletobeflexible,and thingslikethat,utilizing technology, things like Zoom, noticing as beinga concern. I would hope that maybe as a community.
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Kyle Falbo: We could start having some dialogue about attendance policies forcitycouncil members.
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Kyle Falbo: It seems like this is a great topic tobe discussing, and hopefully that we can expand the scope of conversation about attendance to beconsideringthe attendance of our council members, and whether or not they're adequately providing the service that we are appointing them todo.
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KyleFalbo:whilethey'rein,theirtenure.Thanks.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Kyle, for your public comment. Again, I will come back intochambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: See…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hangon just for a second, let me go through public comment first. Thanks. I will go back out to Zoom. Everett, canyou unmute yourself, please?
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Evert F: Yes, can you hear me okay?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I can hear you, can you see the timer? Agenda Item Number 3
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Evert F: Let's see… I… yes, I can see it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Great,go ahead, please. 870
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Evert F: All right, thankyou. Hello, my name is Everett Fernandez, serving as the current chairof thePlanningCommission.
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Evert F: I wanted to make a comment on, the situation. So, I believe that, to, 872
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Evert F:correct information as far as, hey, this is… PlanningCommission, this is how it works, instructed with,rules, for example, theBrown Act, because if he's, sending text to other
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Evert F:commissioners and expressing his opinion. Not supposed to be doing that. He had… he did, send me an email, telling me that he had some opinions on an item, and I responded to him to say, you know.
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Evert F: You cangive me the opinions, but I can't speak on his behalf. As far asthe process, Mary and I are going tobe meeting tomorrow.
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Evert F: And we're going to… we are developinga package that can be given out to planning commissioners, and, you know, with all the process, and allthe rules, and thetraining and so forth, which islacking.
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Evert F: To…the timethat I've served with Alex,he's been a good addition to the Commission.Iappreciatehisviewpoints.He'sbeen verydiligentin hisresponseand research andsoforth.
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Evert F: So, I personallywould appreciate having him on, on, onthe committee, and making sure that, you know, he's well aware of allthe rules and trainings, as Imentioned, we're going to be taken care of, and I thinkas long ashe's very clear on the rules for remote, 880
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Evert F: attendance, that could certainly, coversome of the meetings there. So, thank you. 881
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou for your publiccomment. Next, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone inchambers. 882
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Daniele Petron, from Agenda Item Number 8, I just wanted to quickly say that as a PlanningCommissioner myself. 883
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: for the town where I live, I willsay that the lack of…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: explanation on the roles and duties is very much a thingthat other towns in California share. I just want to note that the, Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: California League of Cities does a yearly Planning Commissioner's Academy.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Which I found to be a super helpful crashcourse in things like theBrownAct, things like the expectations of Planning Commissioners. I, myself,wasappointed 24hoursbeforemyfirstPlanningCommission meeting,and Ishare the sort of sense of a whirlwind of all of the rules and regulations, andso just wanted to know thatthat'sa resourcethat'savailable.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Jenny Lee. Next, I'll go out to Zoom. Oliver, can you unmuteyourself, please?
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Oliver: Yep, I'm unmuted.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou. Can you see the timer? 890
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Oliver:Ican,yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead, please. 892
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Oliver: Yeah. I just… I think that this, definitely should be reinstated. I mean, the reality is, California cities,there's so much bureaucracyand so much work that has to be done by cities to…
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Oliver: cross all the T's and dot all the I's, and the Brown Act with the state, and so on and so forth. I mean, Kyle was kind of pretty much incorrect just now, because state law already regulatesthe councillor's attendance policy. Imean…
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Oliver: Everything's set in stone, and where things fall apart is when the stones aren't explained tothe individuals who aretrying to get their hands around how all of these very complex systems work, so…
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Oliver: I mean, we're a tiny little city, andwe have to deal with so much federal andcounty and state bureaucracy that, you know, it's pretty hard for everybody toget their hands around that, Ithink.
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Oliver: That's my comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Oliver, for your public comment. Next, Iwillcomebackintochambers,if there'sanyonein chambers. 898
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on this item, please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, public comment is closed on this item.
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Mayor McLewis: All right, thank you, we're back. Councilmember Zolman, you have a comment?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Through the discussion, we heard that the Chair of the Planning Commission is meeting with Mary. Mary, can you tell us a little bit more about this handbook for guidance for this commission?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And Iask it globally, becausethese challenges are not just with the Planning Commission. I can speak individually, beingon acommittee with new citizens.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This isa lot.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And Ithink that there is discussions over general citizen handbook. Canyou talk about that? Sothere are. So there's acouple different things. So tomorrow, when I'm meeting withthe chair, it was specific to the Planning Commission, but we are looking intocommittee boards commissiontype of handbooks, because there are different things fordifferent committees. Some for standing, some for ad hoc. There are specific rules for the PlanningCommission. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sothis is our first attempt tosee what are those requirements, and yes,we do have the Cal Cities. Thank you, I do have that information. It's going to be similar tothe City Council handbook.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: whereit discusses trainings, requirements, the code, things like that. So it… there's…there's two different tracks. There's a tract for the standingcommittees, ad hoccommittees that I'm working on, and then there'salso one specific to the PlanningCommission. There's going to be generalities across the board, you know, like, how manymeetings can you miss, things like that, so… 908
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: definitely workingon different tracks, but at the same time to bring it back. But for tomorrow, there is a lot for the Planning Commission that the Chair and I are going to work on. We're going to lookat topics, we'lltake those to the PlanningCommission tomakesurethatPlanningCommissionershavean orientation and gothrough everything,and then theyhaveahandbooktoknow 909
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Like,what's… what the requirements are. 910
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou.
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Mayor McLewis: I remember hitting.
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Mayor McLewis: I, Councilmember Hint.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oh, sorry. So it brings up a question that oneof, 914
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: our planningcommissionersonline brought up, which is,if…PlanningCommission.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: our planningcommissioner,or even us, were… had to be absent and wanted to submit comments on an agenda item. What arethe rules about that? We only submit that for public record, like a citizen, and it can't be read?I'm curious about that. Yeah, so, the Brown Act prohibits
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center:council member, any… any member of anyof our boards, from communicating with eachother,a majority of the board,outside of a notice meeting. So if someone wants to share theirthoughts on 917
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: something. They should send it to staff. 918
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then staff will do one of two things. 919
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Iftheyget it before the agenda is published, we can put it on at the same time the agenda is published, like we would the staff report. And that way, the public and the commissioners allget it at the same time,andavailableno matter what time you look at the agenda.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And it's… it's there for you. Ifwe get them after that period of time, wedon't want to add it to the agenda at that point, because if a memberof thepublic'salreadydownloaded and looked attheagenda,they'renotgoing to know thatthesecommentshavebeen added.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sowewould distribute those at themeeting, you know, as part of the notice meeting. Yeah, they'd be on the table. Generally, they aren't read out loud, they're just there for commissioners to
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Review, and ofcourse, if you're not there in person, you can't, you know, it's up to eachcommissioner whether totake that into consideration. You can't vote remote, you know, if you're not there in person or anythinglike that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You can't vote. Sorry, but I meant you can't vote by proxy. Like, you can't… if you… if you're remote, you can vote, but you can't. You can't vote by… you can't send your vote in. Okay, sorry forthat. Okay. 924
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Mayor McLewis: Okay, Councilmember Carter?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Imean, obviously, we're stillstruggling. 926
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But that said, if… if the… if Alex, if… 927
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: ifyou're struggling with your family or you're busy with your business, I certainly understand.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, if you're choosing to, beon the board, I would support it fora number of reasons, but also for efficiency for ourselves, forcontinuity reasons,butit'scertainlyunderstandabletonothavea fullgrasp of theobligations,but 929
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah,second and… second and… what is it? Second and fourth Tuesdays?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Market.
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Mayor McLewis: Vice… oh, Vice Mayor?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I'dlike to make a motion to approvethat good causehasbeen shown forCommissionerAlexCantzler'sabsencesfromtheFebruary10th, the 24th, and March10th Planning Commission meetings, and direct that he be reappointed to the Planning Commission.
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Mayor McLewis: I'd like to… I'd like to havetheopportunity tocomment before we… I haven't had that yet, if that's okay, and Councilmember Hinton… I'm…yeah, sorry. 934
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, yeah, I just had my handup also, so, do you want to go first, or I'll go?
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Mayor McLewis: Oh, go ahead, I just want to have the opportunity. I'm trying to let everyone else go before me, but then people are jumping ahead withmotions before I even have a chance.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I just want to makea comment, I'm gonna be supportive of this tonight, and, I'vemade mistakes myself and had to go through a prep course with, some of my forms, so I can completely understand how, 937
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: it canbe hard to figure out, and based on your letter, I felt like you already…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You obviously want the position, you just got a little confused. I understand I have a full-time job, too. Sometimes I'ma little late to council, because I'm fightingtrafficcoming from Healdsburg, so, I'm definitelyfor reinstatingandappreciateyou,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Takingthe effort to want to continue to serve. 940
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Mayor McLewis: And I just wanted to have theopportunity to expresssupport, too. I, too, workfull-time, and I completely understand, and especially when you're new to this, it's a lot. It's a lot of information, and I appreciatethe email that you sent detailingand also helping us to understand what the process is and where we can improve. Because I do hope that we can get toa point where whatevercommittees are associated with what departmentsand
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Mayor McLewis: from my own perspective, I'm just going to speak andsay I hope that our, you know, we can get to the point where our department heads, are able to have this orientation with any… with any ofthe commissions or the different committees thatare associated with their departments, and get everyone on board, and wecan get into some type of cadence sothatpeople don't get into this position, because I'm sure it's frustrating, and
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MayorMcLewis:embarrassing,and allthesedifferentthings,because,youknow,they're… people who get onthese commissions are clearly professionals who just want to make a difference in thecommunity, and, we want tomake it as easy as possible for themto do that. So, I also just wanted to secondthe, the,
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Mayor McLewis: how helpful the CowCity's, orientations and different, you know, educational offerings that theyprovide. I've learned a lot overtime, so Iencourage anyone who has that opportunity and is new to go tothat. So, anyways, I just wanted to express that support tonight. So, I know we have a motion, we have a second, so, Mary, if you want to…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm gonna check, no morecomments, so I'll move forward with themotion. So moved by Vice Mayor Maurerand seconded by Councilmember Zolman.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To, approve the reappointment of Alex Candler to the Planning Commission fora term to expire December 30th, 31st, 2027. Councilmember Carter? Yes.Councilmember Hinton? Aye. Councilmember Zolman? Yes. Vice Mayor Maurer? Yes. Mayor McLewis?
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Mayor McLewis: Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Motion passes unanimously. 949
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes,ma'.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 10. Five.
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Mayor McLewis: F.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 7.
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Mayor McLewis: Alright, so we'll be backat, let's see, what time is it now? 825. 956
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Nope.
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Mayor McLewis: We are still… let's see, we're still in our, regular discussion and action items, number 12.
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Mayor McLewis: Consideration and discussionof requests for direction to staff for researching city locations for soccer fields, and the requester is CouncilmemberCarter. 960
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Mayor McLewis: And then it says Public Worksand Planning, so I'm not clear on who's start kicking this off for us.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Goodevening, Mayor. This is Oriana Hart, a Public Works Director. I'm gonna kick it off andthen pass it to our representative from Wesco. 962
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So it was requested by Councilmember Carter and Wesco forthis item to be brought before City Council forconsideration ofpotential locations for soccer fields within the City of Sebastopol. And Wesco has a presentation that they're going to go through to kind of talk through what that might look like. 963
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I'm gonna run that for you, so just hit me up next slide when you're ready. Okay, thank you, Oriana, appreciate it. 964
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And thank you, Mayor McLewis and the City Council for having us tonight.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'vegot an exciting project that we've been working on that I'm going to present toyou tonight, but first, I just want to give you a little bit about myself, a little bit about WESCO, and so you just have some of that background. My name's Steve Jobs, andI'm onthe WESCO board. I'm a resident of Sebastopol for the last 8 years. I'm a lifelong soccer player, and I'm a
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 15-yearsoccercoach. 967
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Icoach the highest level Boysteam in our club. 968
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm also the director for the Apple Classic Soccer Tournament, which is the largest soccer tournament inthe North Bay. We host about 160- plus teams from allaround Northern California.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so that's a little bit about myself. I also have a day job, just like everybody else does, so I'm an information technology executive at one of the largest winecompanies here in Santa Rosa, so I have a pretty demanding job on top of all the soccer stuff that I thoroughly enjoy, andso I'm excited to be here to talk to you tonight.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: A little bit about WESCO. That's our first slide there. So, we have a 51-year history here in Sebastopol. We have about 1,300 members currentlyandgrowing.We'vebeen growingreallyexponentiallysincethepandemic. 971
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Prettytough time for us at that point. But we've been growing. We host over 750 soccer gamesa year.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 500 ofwhich are actually withclubs outside of the area of Sebastopol,soincludingSanta Rosa,Napa County,Marin County,Mendocino County. Those clubs come to us to play soccergames, and there's about 500 ofthose games that occur where we're bringing folks into Sebastopol Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, bringingcommerceto the community. 974
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: At a significant level. It's not been measured, but, you know, you could… you could argue there'squite a few visitors that come in here just due to WESCO.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We serve over5,000 families, which include those out-of-towners that I'm talking about. We employ over 100 referees per year. 976
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And we co-manage5differentschool,fields, where we help with lining of the fields, care of the gopher problems that we see in our region out here, and wealso care for the Rago Ranch fields as well. 977
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We manage 300 volunteers annually, and our budget as a club, and I'm the treasurer ofthe club as well, is about $535,000 andgrowing, because our membership pool is growing, our programs are growing, so obviously our budgetary figures growas well.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I can go to the next slide. 979
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SebastopolCommunityCulturalCenter:Okay.Challenges,right? Fieldchallengeshas been the number one item since I've been part of this club. I've coached in other communities as well that have had, you know,dedicated soccer space for the soccer community. Sebastopol just does not havethat.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Obviously there's, Regal Ranch is a key componentof whereweplay,and wedo,workcloselywith thecounty,Linda Hopkins included, to figure out how we can really revamp those fields, because they are in such bad shape.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But that is a multi-million dollar project, multiyear project. 982
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That'sgonna take significantwork. That is complementary to what we're talking about tonight. Tonight we're talking about all-weather playing surfaces that can be used all year round.
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SebastopolCommunityCulturalCenter:alsoduringtheevenings,whereasRegalRanch we can't use in the winter because it's closed, right, due to thenature of the, natural grass fields.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sebastopol has no public soccer space, right? It's got space for othertypes of athletics,right? Swimming, baseball. 985
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: tennis, it even has a skateboarding dedicated space, but it has no dedicated soccer space. And we actually, support the entire West County community, soall the wayfrom Fort Ross, all the waydown to,Dillon Beach. 986
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: all theway into Sebast Fool. That is basically our pool ofplayers and members. So we operate a very large swath oftheWest County. 987
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Givenour large number of games, large numberof members and programs that weoperate, we are required to go out of Sebastopol to find space, and so we do operate on 17 other fieldsoutside of the Sebastopol area, which include
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Not even listed here, but Occidental, Place to Play in Santa Rosa, El Molino High School, Piner High School, Elsie Allen High School, where we do practices, games, and tournaments.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, what I'm here to talk toyou about tonight is what's called a soccercourt or amini-pitch.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Theseare… just to explain what this is, these are just a modular, type, unit that's built off-site and then assembled on-site. 992
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Theycome in various different sizes, but you can imagine it's basically about the same size as a tennis court. They comein different surfaces,right? Soyoucan havehardsurfaceground orartificialgrass. 993
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There's netting, there's lighting, again, various sizes, but these are great for, urban areas that don't have a lot of space for full-size soccer complexes, like Sebastopool. It's a perfect location for one of thesethings. 994
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Theseare year-round,facilities. 995
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right,so there's, LED lighting that's directed onto the surface.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There's multiple vendors options that are out there.Thesearebecomingvery,verypopular.They'realreadypopularin international locations, but they're becomingmuch more popular here domestically. And you can see some of the photos I'vegot off to theright. Youcan't see those very well, but there's one there called the UrbanSoccer Park.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Which is one of thevendors that we've been talking to. And then there's also the U.S. Soccer Foundation, which also is anothervendor. It's a non-profit that provides these types ofmini-pitches. 998
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sothere's multiple options out there, we've explored several. The effective build cost, which effectively WESCO would be funding through our own resources, as well as sponsors and donations, is about $150,000 to $200,000 per court.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Again,it just depends on the features and functions andthe size, that we procure. And then the annual maintenance cost is roughly about $12,000 to $15,000 a year, which Wescowould also maintainand handle under our own expensebudget.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This can be outsourced to these providers that build these courts, or we think we could potentially even do it cheaperif we do it in-house with ourown resourcesand volunteers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But the most important thingfor us is to make sure whatever we put in place is professionallydone, looks beautiful, improves the location that we put it in, so that the entire community can really enjoy and feelproud of what we put in the space.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Soyou can go tothe next slide. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: SoI just wanted to giveyou a little bit of information about the U.S. Soccer Foundation.So, again, they're one of the vendors that actually provides thesemini pitches.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The U.S. Soccer Foundation is a non-profit associated with U.S. soccer, but they've actually been going on a pretty significant campaign to build alarge number ofthese courts across the nation, and they've been really preparing for the WorldCup that's coming thissummer. 1005
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so, they've actually got agoal out there of building 1,000 ofthesecourts. They've alreadybuilt 500 of these across the U.S, but they're actuallylookingatreallyunderprivileged areas,specifically,wheretheycan securelarge corporate donors to help
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: fund these soccer courts in underprivileged communities, and believe it ornot.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: through our discussions with them, this is an option for us. Because of the wide areathat we support. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We are considered under their 1009
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: description as an underprivileged area that could potentially gain grant approval from one of their sponsors. So this is apotential option for us. Interesting, right?But it's true.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But the interesting… the reason why I put this up here is really so that you can see some ofthe findings that the U.S. Soccer Foundation has, has come upwith in terms of the surveying that… of thecommunities where they put these courts in.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: One is, you know, the community is more active. They feel safer with these, courts and mini-pitchesinstalled. 1012
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: They're accessible to everyone, which would be our intent as well. This would be a public offering, right? So, it's open to the public. Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The mini-pitch turn, you know, really serves as a new community hub for these communities.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, generally, there's just more opportunity for kids that generally don't have the option to playsoccer,the ability to, you know, have the, the ability toplay soccer themselves, which they maynot have hadotherwise. 1015
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'll go to the next slide. 1016
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,so our proposal… Really is to build a soccer court, or a mini-pitch.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: On city property here in Sevastopol. We want to create a safe, accessible.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: place for people toplay, and we want to make it walkablefrom,youknow,theneighborhoodswithin downtown Sebastopol. 1019
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We want to transform a underutilized space here in the city to beautify it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: make it like a park setting where kids can thrive and have areally enjoyable time. And adults as well, right? It's open toall. 1021
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's really time to do something beautiful forthe community,right? Times have been challenging as oflate, and we allwant to see somethinggood happen.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Now is the time to act. 1023
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You can go to thenext slide. Oh, just real quick, before you leave that slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The picture onthe right is actually of the Giants Stadium,San Francisco.
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Mayor McLewis: I just wanted to interrupt real quick and just make sure we're within our 10- minute time frame here. We're kind of teetering, going over, so just wanted to chime in with that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,didn't realize I had10 minutes. 1027
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MayorMcLewis:Yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: San Francisco Giants Stadium, they've actually, partnered with acompany to install Minute Courts right in the parking lot across the bay there from the stadium.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You can go to thenext slide. How much time do I have?
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Mayor McLewis: No, I'm… we're pretty much at that, but go ahead in acouple more minutes, and then…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Mayor McLewis: Need to wrap it up.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, my interest onthis slide really is to communicate the fact that Wesco is bringingafree asset to our community, and it hits the six key goals that the City Council outlined as part of the fiscal year 25budget. 1034
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The first one is community vitality, really, really creating a good gathering space for our youth.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Amulti-generational,year-roundfacility. 1036
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, for athletics and sporting activities. 1037
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's aninfrastructure play, sowe're making improvements to city space that is potentiallynot being used effectively. 1038
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We want to make sure that City Council is a highperforming organization, so it's a great time forthis Council to do what the residents are asking for, right? Let's beautify our city, and let's put in some park 1039
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: activities, An infrastructure for the community to use.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It alsoimproves public safety.It's known that recreationalspacesare…generallyhavelowercrimerates. 1041
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And we've got some underutilized space. 1042
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Where if you have more. 1043
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: people involved in those spaces. It's just naturally going to be a safer location forchildren tobe at.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's financially stable because this is 100% funded throughWESCO andoursponsors.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So it'slow risk, and no capitaloutlay forthe city, and nooperationalcostsgoingforward.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And it's economic development. Wesco has proven to bringa significant amount of outside resources to our community to spend money buying food, paying for gas, right?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Visiting allof our shopping here in Sebastopol. So it hits those key goals that theCity Council outlined. 1048
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Soyou can go tothe next slide, please. This is a couple visuals ofthe two locations, the two proposed locations. We're… the proposed location is actuallyright outside the building here.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Next to the Youth Annex, andyou can see we put in
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Two soccer courts about thesize of a tennis court each.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: utilityarea, the top ofthat image there. And there's also plenty of parking still remaining forthe communitycenter and forthe soccer courts to share. And ofcourse, we would planaround any sort ofcommunity centerevent that would beoccurring, right, to not impact the parking that they mayneed for their events.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It alsoprovides access totheLaguna still, because there's a Laguna parking situationthere, as well as access tothe Laguna off to the bottom right ofthat first image.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then the second, location. 1055
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Our assumption is the permanent location could take some time to finalize permitting and get full approval for, and so the second location is actually the Sebastopol Hotel location as a potential temporary location that wecould, you know,land.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Installone of these soccercourts. 1057
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And again, these are modular, modular, and so after installation, wecould easily have this moved over tothe youth annex location. 1058
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Once the Sebastopol Hotel decides to move forward with their project. So, it's a little bit of a win-win. 1059
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For the hotel project, as wellas ours as well, so we can move forward quickly with putting inplace a soccer court,maybe even before the World Cup happens this summer, because there's going to be a high demand for soccer, guaranteed,thisyear.
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Mayor McLewis: I just want to do atime checkhere. We always give people 10minutes, so I'm just… we're at…we're at almost 15, so I just want to… or we… sorryto interrupt, I just want to make sure.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Appreciate theextratime. Just two more statements, you can goto the next slide.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: SoI'm here today to really seek Council approval to advance feasibility analysis of these twolocations. That's really what we want to decide on today.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,the first one beingthe permanent location at the annex, and the second being a temporary location at the Sebastopo Hotel Piazza location.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That'sit. I'm open for questions, yeah. 1065
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Mayor McLewis: Thank you. So back… we're back to the dais here. Councilmember… er, I'm sorry, Vice Mayor?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In terms of the hotel lot, what kind oftimeline do you need to make it feasible?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And are you aware of the CEQA or archaeology studies or anything likethat? Are you aware of that? I'm aware, but I don't know much about those, no. Okay, so what kind oftimeline…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Are you thinking, like, how long would you need it in order tomake it work?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It… for us, we could moverelatively quick, talking months, in terms of, start to finish, in terms of implementation. It'd beprobably 4 to 6 months to implement.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: is that enough time foryou? So that would be less than ayear if it takesyou 6 months,right? So, is that even workable? Yes, definitely workable.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Soyou talked about low income, and that you qualify, because obviously the total area you'redrawingfrom. I lookedon your website, I didn't see an opportunity for low-income students. How many scholarships a year does your organization give,or how do you… how do you work with lower income that want to… kids want to play soccer?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah,we actually don't callthem scholarships, because that's almost more of a recruiting term, right? So wedon't actually offer scholarshipsforplayers,wedofinancialaid.And wedoplan,approximatelyonefinancial aid recipient, per team.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so we have roughly 110 teams. 1078
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,so about 100 kids a year. 1079
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yep, that received financial aid. 1080
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.Yeah, and the waythat the U.S. Foundation, Soccer Foundation, determines eligibility for
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, a location of need is basically through free lunch programs at their school,at the local schools. Which we offer. Your last slide said2-year duration, but you're saying you canget it up and runningat thehotel site in about 4 months. What… what did that mean?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Did that mean…2 years… So,start to finish, we could implement our project in four to six months.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And Ithink the… the discussion with thehotel project was if they… we…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For usto make it feasible for us to spend the money to install it at the hotel site and then move it, right, the costs of, you know, substantial amount ofmoney to move the product, we would want tokeep it there forabout 2 years.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.So, that would be our minimum. Now, if the hotel project takes longer, we could stay longer.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Effectively.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I see.But if we find a permanent location, likethe Annex, that comes to fruition muchmore quickly, we wouldn't necessarily need to go to the hotel location.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.So, if we were to agree to that, then the hotel would be agreeing to about 2years as well, which would put… push their permit out. 1089
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That we just approved tonight. 1090
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sothat'd be part of the negotiations. Yeah, that would be part of the discussion, yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,thanks.
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Mayor McLewis: I havea question I'm gonna ask. I… it's no surprise tome, I mean, we have less than2 square miles, so, in our city, so I'm just curious. 1093
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Mayor McLewis: what other areas are you exploring? I heard you about Regal, but, like, I know that it's no surprise that you probably serve, you know, a lot morepeople in West Agenda Item Number 3
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County. Are you exploring other areas as well?Because we are such asmall city. I'm just curious, you know, what… are you looking outside of thecity? 1094
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I've actually spent quite a bit oftime with the, the GIS individual from the SonomaCounty office, exploring different possibilities for land use conversion, and there's just not muchhere locally, unfortunately. Really, the only other option is going tobe private land.
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Mayor McLewis: Got it, okay. Yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There is one, just real quick, just to expand on that, there is one location that we've looked at, which wedon't think isfeasible, is the… it's called the Brown
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Property. It's over bythe old, 1098
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah,Yana Road and 12. It's right on that intersection there.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There's actually, there's some green space that's backtherebehind theold Hendrixlawnmower.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Company?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: backthere, some… back overthere. But it's owned by the Santa Rosa City Utility, Office, is our understanding. So it's an unlikely candidate.
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MayorMcLewis:Go ahead,CouncillorZong.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah,my question is to Alex.So, I read the staff report, and it's very vague, and maybe you did it on purpose. I'm assuming you were consulted.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Because, I mean, while I want… the overall context for my question is, while I want to do good for our youth, I want the hotel, and I want the revenue to help ourbudget.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, ifwe went along and just allowed them to do something in the hotel space, so, from your legal point of view, how does that position us? We're trying to apply asmuch pressure as we can to thehotel piazza people to get on with it and get the hotel going.Yeah, so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This type of facility is not allowed on that site now, so first there'd need tobe some sort of zoningcode change to allow it. There are different ways we could do that,changing
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The allowed uses in the district, changing what district the site's in, doing maybe just an overlay that just added soccer as an allowed use to this one site.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But there's no suchthing as atemporary use permit that goes on foryears, right? A temporary use permit under ourcode, and in general, is for very limited durations. You know, a winterfestival that you're doing, you know, or getting for acouple months, so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: under, you know, zoning laws,once you establish a use, it continues, so it is allowed tocontinue.So. 1111
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yup.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: what the staff report says is if we change the zoning to allow less soccer as an allowed use,or conditionally allowed and they got a CUP, it could continue. We couldn't come in and say, okay, now you have tostop. 1113
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: on the state.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, and so that is a potential, you know, they can discuss whether that's something they would actually do or not, but that, you know,oncea useisestablished underzoninglaw,youknow,itcan continue. 1115
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right,so basically, if we allowed this temporary soccer thing to happen, that would ultimately preclude the hotel, or provide them an excuse to not do anything.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right? Because then they would have a justification where it's like, well, you passed this revision to the rezoning, so that precludes the hotel, so nowwe can just walk out, right? Yeah, so it would not preclude them.They could, you know, as…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: An owner ofthe property, you know, their lease mightexpire,and theymighthavea short-term lease with them, and, you know… 1118
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Robo,you know, Elise, my dad, and they'd be doing that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, if the developer doesn't want to move forward with that site, the hotel, like, they don't need an excuse orapproval from thecity to not move forward with that project, they just don't move forwardand let the development agreement expire. So Idon't know that there is…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That this would be a… 1121
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: sort of a excuse they would use, but I suppose the risk is that, well, we don't have anything else going on, let's just let soccer continue longer, the hotel's still not penciling out.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, instead of exploring some other use, we'll just let the soccercontinue on this site. Great, thanks. 1123
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MayorMcLewis:Soyou'resaying,in essence,youknow,if weexpand thezoning,change the zoning, I mean, we're kind of… I mean, we're providingthem moreopportunities to use it in other ways, and not in the waythat it's currently zoned. 1124
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Correct.
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Mayor McLewis: Of theWestco gentleman. The question I have is, in our earlier item, when we were talking with Piazza, they clearly statedthat it would, you know, it would cost about $100,000todealwith thearchaeologicalchallenges.
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Mayor McLewis: I mean, not challenges, but, you know, things that need to be donethere in order to preserve the, you know, whatever they find, historical items they find. 1129
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Mayor McLewis: Is Wesco… has anything…have you… have you… are you prepared to… to work withPiazza as faras that 100K? Because it didn't sound like theywanted to move forward with that project anytime soon. They were saying it could be done, you know, whenever they get theirloan, so I'm just kind ofcurious, because that… that could impact… Agenda Item Number 3
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I see that that could impact the… even the ability to use that. I'm not an expert onthat, but I mean, we just heard
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Mayor McLewis: you know, the cost forthat, and the timeline for that as far as the property owner, so I'm just curious if you've had that discussion already, if anything's been sussed out from that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, and I'm not an expert on that process either, unfortunately, but I know that we've had had some discussions related to whether or not we'd actually be disturbing the soil by putting our
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: quarton the surfacethere. Our quart doesn't require digging or anything like that, it just requires, really, a 4-inch, layer of, 1133
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Basically aggregate or rock. 1134
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Inorder to just level the surface, so I'm not sure that we'd actually be disturbing the surface, so we'd have to… Agenda Item Number 3
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Obviously, that's… would be part ofthe research that weneed to go through to understand that better.
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Mayor McLewis: So then, the question I have is that would be part ofthe staff cost that you all would have to, tocover. So, can I ask a question ofplanning, then?With that inmind, have you talked to any experts about this?
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Mayor McLewis: You know, as far as… as far aswhat would need to bedone, and with the soccerversus
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes,thank you for asking. There are a couple of things going onhere. One is… one way tomitigate archaeological artifacts is to cover them up.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so coveringthem temporarily would be an acceptable way
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to deal with that, but I think what I want tomake clear here tonight is that there are many, manythings, this is just one of them, that would go into our feasibility analysis that we're askingthe City Council to tellus whether or not they want us tomove forward with at this time.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'veexpended some prettysignificant staff time getting this far, and wewould need to expendmore staff time to figure out what we're going to do, and then have applications roll forward, if that's… So, what we're doing tonight is, what we're asking tonight is foryou guys to tellus
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Mayor McLewis: And are we being… receiving any reimbursement for…how many hours would you estimate that have been spent on this already, since you said a significant amount?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would say between the department heads and individuals'meetings,weprobablyspent20-plushours. 1147
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I see that as aviolation of ourestablished protocol,becauseIcanspeakpersonally.ThewayIphrasethingsisjusta genericrequest to the full council about expendingany degree of significant staff time. Now I'mhearingthe word significant. This is… this is not all right.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No, I agree. We spent quite abit of staff time on this item. When it was first proposed, we did not think it was going to develop into this. It was supposed to be a concept coming forward, and then the more that we got into it, the more that
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