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City Council Interim City Manager
Mayor Jill McLewis Mary Gourley
Vice Mayor Sandra Maurer [email protected]
Councilmember Phill Carter
Councilmember Neysa Hinton
Councilmember Stephen Zollman
CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
MINUTES FOR MEETING OF April 21, 2026
As Approved by the City Council at their regular meeting of May 5, 2026.
CALL TO ORDER: Mayor McLewis called the meeting to order 6:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Mayor Jill McLewis
Vice Mayor Sandra Maurer
Councilmember Neysa Hinton Arrived 6:05 pm
Councilmember Stephen Zollman
Absent: Councilmember Phill Carter
Staff: Interim City Manager Mary Gourley
Schuyler Schwartz, Attorney, Redwood Public Law
Administrative Services Director Kwong
Interim Planning Director Jane Riley, 4Leaf
Public Works Director Hart
SALUTE TO THE FLAG: Mayor McLewis led the salute to the flag.
REMOTE PARTICIPATION UNDER AB 2449 (IF NEEDED): To consider and take action on any request from a Council Member to participate in a meeting remotely due to Just Cause or Emergency Circumstances pursuant to AB 2449 (Government Code Section 549539(f)). Assembly Bill 2302 (2024) (“AB 2302”) revises rules for when members of local legislative bodies may participate in meetings remotely. Specifically, it amends the number of meetings that may be attended remotely for just cause and under emergency circumstances and clarifies the definition of the term “meeting,” for purposes of remote attendance. AB 2302 caps the number of remote meetings a member can attend each year based on the frequency of a legislative body’s meetings: Five meetings per year for those meeting twice a month. None.
LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: The City of Sebastopol acknowledges that we live and work within the unceded ancestral homelands of the Southern Pomo and the Coast Miwok people. We pay our respect to the past, present, and future generations of these peoples, including the Federated Indians of Graton Rancheria.
Interview:
1. Agenda Item Number 1: INTERVIEW FOR OPENING ON THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE Responsible Department: Planning Department
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries.
Additional Fiscal Impact: None
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The City Council interviewed one applicant for the opening on the Climate Action Committee.
Mark Szatmari Climate Change, Energy, Environmental Justice, and Equity City Council Action: Interviewed applicant. No action taken.
Minute Order Number: 2026-104
2. Agenda Item Number 2: CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENT TO THE OPENING ON THE CLIMATE
ACTION COMMITTEE
Responsible Department: Planning Department
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries.
Additional Fiscal Impact: None
The Council discussed the appointment to the opening on the Climate Action Committee.
Mayor McLewis opened for questions of staff. None
Mayor McLewis opened the public comment period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period: None
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:
Council continued discussion of the item.
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
MOTION:
Councilmember Zollman moved and Vice Mayor Maurer seconded the motion to approve:
Mark Szatmari Climate Change, Energy, Environmental Justice, and Equity December 31, 2027 term ending date
Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None
Absent: Councilmember Carter
Abstain: Councilmember Hinton
City Council Action: Approved Mark Szatmari Climate Change, Energy, Environmental Justice, and Equity December 31, 2027 term ending date
Minute Order Number: 2026-105
REMEMBERING THE HISTORY OF SEBASTOPOL: City of Sebastopol History Acknowledgement presented by Mayor McLewis.
PROCLAMATIONS/PRESENTATIONS/INTRODUCTIONS: The following was presented:
• Certificate of Appreciation Lea Goode-Harris: Labyrinth Reference Order Number: 2026-106
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STATEMENTS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST: Conflicts of interest may arise in situations where a public official deliberating towards a decision, has an actual or potential financial interest in the matter before the Council. In accordance with state law, an actual conflict of interest is one that would be to the private financial benefit of a public official, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A potential conflict of interest is one that could be to the private financial benefit of a Councilmember, a relative or a business with which the Councilmember is associated. A Councilmember must publicly announce potential and actual conflicts of interest, and, in the case of actual conflict of interest, must refrain from participating in debate on the issue or from voting on the issue and must remove themselves from the dais. There were none stated.
Mayor McLewis stated Item Number 10 will be continued to the May 5th City Council Meeting to be held at or after 6:00 pm at the Sebastopol Youth Annex 425 Morris Street, Sebastopol CA.
10. Public Hearing - Introduction and First Reading of Ordinance for Purchase of Cameras for the Sebastopol Police Station/ Amendment for Safe House Security System to be paid for from the Police Endowment PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA (FIRST COMMENT PERIOD): Up to Twenty (20) Minute Time Limit (Two Minutes for up to ten speakers). Additional public comment will be held at the end of the discussion and action items for up to an additional twenty (20) minutes. Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers.
Process for calling on Speakers: Mayor or designee shall ask for public comment as follows: Speakers to be called on in an alternate manner (One speaker in person to be called on first; then one speaker remote to be called on second with additional speakers to be called on in the same manner) based upon the time limit.
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CONSENT CALENDAR: The consent agenda consists of items that are routine in nature and do not require additional discussion by the City Council or have been reviewed by the City Council previously. These items may be approved by one motion without discussion unless a member of the City Council requests that the item be taken off the consent calendar.
The Mayor will read aloud the title of each consent item (either full agenda title or a simplified version of the agenda title), and ask if a Councilmember wishes to remove one or more items from the consent calendar; and then open public comment to the members of the public in attendance. At this time, a member of the public may speak for up to two (2) minutes on the entire consent calendar and request at that time that an item or items removed for discussion.
If an item or items are removed from the consent calendar, the item shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor. Council Members may comment on Consent Calendar items or ask for minor clarifications without the need for pulling the item for separate consideration. Items requiring deliberation should be pulled for separate consideration and shall be placed at the end of the regular agenda items unless otherwise determined by the Mayor.
Vice Mayor Maurer stated she had a conflict of interest 500 foot radius for item number 9.
Mayor McLewis read the consent calendar.
Mayor McLewis asked if any Councilmember wanted to remove a consent calendar item. There were no requests.
Mayor McLewis opened for public comment. The following member(s) of the public spoke during public comment:
Kyle
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
MOTION:
Councilmember Zollman moved and Vice Mayor Maurer seconded the motion to approve consent calendar item number(s) 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8.
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Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None
Absent: Councilmember Carter
Abstain: None
3. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes for Meeting of April 07, 2026 Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries.
Additional Fiscal Impact: None
City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes for Meeting of April 07, 2026 Minute Order Number: 2026-107
4. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes for Closed Session Meeting of April 13, 2026 Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries.
Additional Fiscal Impact: None
City Council Action: Approved City Council Meeting Minutes for Closed Session Meeting of April 13, 2026 Minute Order Number: 2026-108
5. Approve and Adopt the Resolution Approving the appointment of NBS in preparation of the annual FY2026-27 Lighting Assessment District in accordance with provisions of the Landscaping and Lighting Act 1972 (henceforth “the Act”) of the California Streets and Highways Code.
Responsible Department: Public Works/Administrative Services Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries.
Additional Fiscal Impact: The cost for NBS to manage the entire process is estimated at $8,000, which is included in the Lighting Assessment District FY25-26 budget. The collection of revenue for the district is $94,458.
City Council Action: Approved and Adopt the Resolution Approving the appointment of NBS in preparation of the annual FY2026-27 Lighting Assessment District in accordance with provisions of the Landscaping and Lighting Act 1972 (henceforth “the Act”) of the California Streets and Highways Code.
Minute Order Number: 2026-109
Resolution Number: 6748-2026
6. Approval of Task Order 8 with GHD Inc. for the preparation of the Sewer System Master Plan Update for an amount not to exceed $132,634. RFP for the master plan update was released on 12/15/26 and two proposals were received and GHD was selected by staff as the most qualified to perform the work.
Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries.
Additional Fiscal Impact: There is no additional fiscal impact as funding is allocated in the CIP budget.
City Council Action: Approved Task Order 8 with GHD Inc. for the preparation of the Sewer System Master Plan Update for an amount not to exceed $132,634. RFP for the master plan update was released on 12/15/26 and two proposals were received and GHD was selected by staff as the most qualified to perform the work.
Minute Order Number: 2026-110
Resolution Number: 6749-2026
7. Receipt and Approval of Sebastopol Solid Waste Collection Services - Annual Rate Adjustment for Sonoma County Resource Recovery LLC. City Council approval is required for any increase over 6% or for any extraordinary rate adjustment. The City Manager may approve smaller adjustments or refer
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them to the City Council at their discretion. For purposes of transparency and public information, this item is being presented to the City Council for approval at a public meeting so residents are informed of the proposed rate adjustment. The proposed rate adjustment is 3.82%. The increase reflects documented increases in collection services costs, garbage disposal fees, organic and food waste diversion costs, and recyclable material processing costs, including regional waste reduction and compliance programs such as Zero Waste Sonoma.
Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries Additional Fiscal Impact: There is no additional fiscal impact to the City budget as City services are built into the rates.
City Council Action: Approved 7. Receipt and Approval of Sebastopol Solid Waste Collection Services - Annual Rate Adjustment for Sonoma County Resource Recovery LLC. City Council approval is required for any increase over 6% or for any extraordinary rate adjustment. The City Manager may approve smaller adjustments or refer them to the City Council at their discretion. For purposes of transparency and public information, this item is being presented to the City Council for approval at a public meeting so residents are informed of the proposed rate adjustment. The proposed rate adjustment is 3.82%. The increase reflects documented increases in collection services costs, garbage disposal fees, organic and food waste diversion costs, and recyclable material processing costs, including regional waste reduction and compliance programs such as Zero Waste Sonoma.
Minute Order Number: 2026-111
Resolution Number: 6750-2026
8. Approval and Adoption of a Resolution authorizing the Interim City Manager to sign easement and related documents pertaining to the AmeriCorps Trail Project Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the minutes is covered within existing budgeted salaries Additional Fiscal Impact: There is no additional fiscal impact to the City budget. In 2021, Council approved the Matching Grant Agreement (MGA, Attachment 2) with the District for a grant in the amount of $126,943.00 requiring a 50% local matching funds. The project is funded with the grant from the District and the local match coming from Measure M Parks Fund and Park-in-lieu fees Fund.
City Council Action: Approved and Adoption of a Resolution authorizing the Interim City Manager to sign easement and related documents pertaining to the AmeriCorps Trail Project Minute Order Number: 2026-112
Resolution Number: 6751-2026
INFORMATIONAL ITEMS/PRESENTATIONS: Informational Items or Presentations are items that are informational only and do not require action by the City Council. Presentations shall be scheduled as necessary for the promotion of an event or service or general information items to the Council and should be limited to ten (10) minutes total in length of item (total length includes questions of Council to presenter and public comment).
No Presentations.
Vice Mayor Maurer departed the meeting for Item Number 9 due to radius conflict.
PUBLIC HEARING(s):
9. Public Hearing - Appeal of Alcohol Use Permit for 8050 Bodega Ave. This item is an Appeal of staff determination of allowed use of a restaurant at the site and the Planning Commission approval of a alcohol use permit for on-site beer & wine sales.
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Responsible Department: Planning/City Attorney
Fiscal Impact: Consultants contracted staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered from the application fee for the appeal.
Interim Planning Director, Consultant Jane Riley, 4 Leaf, presented the agenda item recommending the City Council deny the appeal and reaffirm staff’s determination that continuing the restaurant use at this location does not require a Use Permit or require the provision of additional parking, and uphold the Planning Commission’s approval of an Alcohol Use Permit to allow a Type 41 (beer & wine in a bona fide eating establishment) alcohol license for a new restaurant at 8050 Bodega Avenue.
The appellant, Ricardo Olivera, provided information on the appeal.
The property owner and applicant were in attendance and provided information on the property.
Mayor McLewis opened for questions of staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff and committee.
Mayor McLewis opened the public hearing period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public hearing period:
Prior Owner of Property
Kyle
Edward
Hearing no further comments, Mayor McLewis closed the public hearing.
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:
Council continued discussion of the item.
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
MOTION:
Councilmember Zollman moved and Councilmember Hinton seconded the motion to deny the appeal and reaffirm staff’s determination that continuing the restaurant use at this location does not require a Use Permit or require the provision of additional parking, and uphold the Planning Commission’s approval of an Alcohol Use Permit to allow a Type 41 (beer & wine in a bona fide eating establishment) alcohol license for a new restaurant at 8050 Bodega Avenue.
Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Zollman, and Mayor McLewis Noes: None
Absent: Councilmember Carter; Vice Mayor Maurer
Abstain: None
City Council Action: deny the appeal and reaffirm staff’s determination that continuing the restaurant use at this location does not require a Use Permit or require the provision of additional parking, and uphold the Planning Commission’s approval of an Alcohol Use Permit to allow a Type 41 (beer & wine in a bona fide eating establishment) alcohol license for a new restaurant at 8050 Bodega Avenue.
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Minute Order Number: 2026-113
Resolution Number: 6752-2026
Vice Mayor Maurer returned to the dais.
10. Public Hearing - Introduction and First Reading of Ordinance for Purchase of Cameras for the Sebastopol Police Station/ Amendment for Safe House Security System to be paid for from the Police Endowment
Responsible Department: Police/City Attorney
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.
Additional Fiscal Impact: Costs for Cameras are covered by endowment fund in the amount of $13,875.
City Council Action: Item continued to the May 5th City Council Meeting at or after 6:00 pm at the Sebastopol Youth Annex, 425, Morris Street.
Minute Order Number: 2026-114
REGULAR CALENDAR AGENDA ITEMS (DISCUSSION AND/OR ACTION):
11. Citywide Pavement Improvement Project (CIP #0521-25.05) – Site Selection FY25/26. This item is to provide direction on proceeding with the design and construction the pavement improvement project for Palm Avenue and Strout Street, and provide any comments or direction on future street reconstruction priorities.
Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.
Additional Fiscal Impact: $500,000 is included in the FY 25-26 CIP for this project.
Public Works Director Oriana Hart presented the agenda item recommending the City Council receive the report, provide direction on proceeding with the design and construction the pavement improvement project for Palm Avenue and Strout Street, and provide any comments or direction on future street reconstruction priorities.
Mayor McLewis opened for questions of staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff and committee.
Mayor McLewis opened the public hearing period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:
Ed
Kyle
Nick
Vaughn
Anne
Shannon
Nancy
Tim
Ellen
Louis
Kathy
Jay
Oliver
Nicolas
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Joan
Jill
Drake
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:
Council continued discussion of the item.
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
MOTION:
Councilmember Zollman moved and Councilmember Hinton seconded the motion to approve proceeding with the design and construction the pavement improvement project for Strout.
Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None
Absent: Councilmember Carter
Abstain: None
City Council Action:
Minute Order Number: 2026-115
12. Consideration of Waiver for Special Event – Chamber of Commerce – Apple Blossom Festival. Fee Waiver has been requested in the amount of $15,000.00.
Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.
Additional Fiscal Impact: Staff time from Public Works and Police to staff the event and general wear on the Ives Park Facility.
Public Works Director Oriana Hart presented the agenda item recommending the City Council approve waiver of Special Event Permit fees, City Staff time and material for the Apple Blossom Festival and Parade in the amount of $15,000. Special Event Permit Fee: $1,950, Public Works Staff Time: $4,255.04, Material/Rentals: $2,855.34, and Police Staff Time: $5,670.
Mayor McLewis opened for questions of staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff.
Mayor McLewis opened the public hearing period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:
Kyle
Michael
Myriah
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:
Council continued discussion of the item.
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
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MOTION:
Vice Mayor Maurer moved and Councilmember Zollman seconded the motion to approve waiver of Special Event Permit fees, City Staff time and material for the Apple Blossom Festival and Parade in the amount not to exceed $15,000.
Amended motion include if chamber event refund 2855.
Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmembers Hinton, Zollman, Vice Mayor Maurer and Mayor McLewis Noes: None
Absent: Councilmember Carter
Abstain: None
City Council Action: Approved waiver of Special Event Permit fees, City Staff time and material for the Apple Blossom Festival and Parade in the amount not to exceed $15,000.
Minute Order Number: 2026-116
13. Consideration of Approval of Resolution Waiving Budget Committee Review for Special Event Permit Fee Waivers Requestor(s): Councilmember Hinton/Mayor McLewis Responsible Department: Public Works
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.
Additional Fiscal Impact: The cumulative value of approved small waivers is expected to remain negligible relative to the overall City budget.
Interim City Manager presented the agenda item recommending the City Council Mayor McLewis opened for questions of staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff and committee.
Mayor McLewis opened the public hearing period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:
Kyle
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:
Council continued discussion of the item.
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
MOTION:
Councilmember Hinton moved and Mayor McLewis seconded the motion to approve Resolution Waiving Budget Committee Review for Special Event Permit Fee Waivers.
Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmember Hinton and Mayor McLewis
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Noes: Councilmember Zollman; Vice Mayor Maurer
Absent: Councilmember Carter
Abstain: None
City Council Action: None. Motion Failed.
Minute Order Number: 2026-117
Resolution Number: 6753-2026
Motion Fails
14. Consideration of Amendment to City Council Protocol For Definition of Substantive Staff Time for Agenda Items Proposed by City Council members.
Requestor(s): Councilmember Zollman/Mayor McLewis
Responsible Department: Interim City Manager
Fiscal Impact: Staff time required to prepare the agenda item is covered within existing budgeted salaries.
Additional Fiscal Impact: The fiscal impact would be potential hours charged by consultants for work on City Council agenda items.
Interim City Manager Gourley presented the agenda item recommending the City Council Mayor McLewis opened for questions of staff. The Council asked various questions of City staff and committee.
Mayor McLewis opened the public hearing period. The following member(s) of the public spoke during the public comment period:
Kyle
City Council Discussion/Deliberations/Comments:
Council continued discussion of the item.
Mayor McLewis called for a motion.
MOTION:
Councilmember Zollman moved and Mayor McLewis seconded the motion to amend the Council protocols for up to 5 hours of staff time for use.
Mayor McLewis called for a roll call vote. City staff conducted a roll call vote.
VOTE:
Ayes: Councilmember Zollman; Mayor McLewis
Noes: Councilmember Hinton; Vice Mayor Maurer
Absent: Councilmember Carter
Abstain: NoneCity Council Action: None. Motion Fails.
Minute Order Number: 2026-118
Motion Fails
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA: Two minutes per speaker for up to twenty (20) minutes total for public comments but can be reduced at Mayor’s discretion depending upon the number of speakers or Mayor has discretion to allow for additional time beyond the 20 minutes allocated for public comment dependent upon the subject matter or number of speakers.
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Kyle
COUNCILMEMBER(S) REQUESTS FOR FUTURE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS CITY COUNCIL/CITY STAFF REPORTS/COMMUNICATIONS/ANNOUNCEMENTS/FUTURE MEETINGS:
15. City Manager and/or City Clerk Reports: (This will be either verbal reports at the meeting, or written reports provided at or prior to the meeting)
16. City Council Reports/Committee/Sub-Committee Meeting Reports: (Reports by Mayor/City Councilmembers Regarding Various Agency Meetings/Committee Meetings/Sub-Committee Meeting /Conferences Attended and Possible Direction to its Representatives (If Needed) on Pending issues before such Boards. ((This will be either verbal reports at the meeting, or written reports provided at or prior to the meeting)
17. Council Communications Received (Information/Meetings/Correspondence Received from the General Public to Councilmembers)
CLOSED SESSION: NONE
ADJOURNMENT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Mayor McLewis adjourned the April 21, 2026 City Council Regular Meeting at 10:25 pm to the next Regular City Council Meeting of Tuesday, May 5, 2026 6:00 pm, Sebastopol Youth Annex, 425 Morris Street, Sebastopol, CA.
Respectfully submitted:
Mary C. Gourley
Interim City Manager
Attachment(s):
Raw Zoom Minutes
VITAC Minutes
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: All right, good evening, everyone. We are starting the meeting at 6pm. That clock up there looks a little fast. 3 00:00:31.370 --> 00:00:47.270
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Just for the sake of everyone who's in the audience, one of the first things we're going tobe doing is, interviews for our Climate Action Committee, so that'll happen, in just a few minutes, so I just want to let you know that that's something that we'll be doing first, andthen moving on to the rest ofthe agenda, so… 4 00:00:47.480 --> 00:01:05.069
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Let's see, and I know that we have, Councilmember Carter is absent this evening, and then Councilmember Hinton, is just running a little late due to traffic, so we can get started, though, because we have 3 people. So, Mayor, if you want to go ahead and do roll call? Thank you, Mayor. 5 00:01:05.470 --> 00:01:20.170
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? Present. Vice Mayor Maurer? Here. Mayor McLewis? Here. Councilmember Carter is absent, and Councilmember Hinton is on her way. All right, thank you very much. So we are going to go and do the Salute to the flag.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: space.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Alright, thank you very much. 8 00:01:43.790 --> 00:01:50.520
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Let's see, we don't have any remote participation, so we'll move on to, at every meeting, we do a land acknowledgement. 9 00:01:51.880 --> 00:01:58.640
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We're just hoping everyone can kind of… it's really disruptive to have everyone talking, if you could…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Just do it quietly, please. Land acknowledgement.
The City of Sebastopo acknowledges that we live and work within the unceded ancestral homelands of the Southern Pomo and the Coast Miwok people. We pay our respect to the Agenda Item Number 2
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past, present, and future generations of these peoples, including the Federated Indians of Great and Rancheria.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Alright, so now it's time for us to do the interview, for the Climate Action Committee, Agenda Item 1, and the responsible party is planning. 12 00:02:27.640 --> 00:02:28.360
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: They've…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou, Bear. So, we do have one… I'll go ahead and introduce it. This is for one opening on the Climate Action Committee, and our applicant, Mark Sutmari, is here, and if I can have you come up to the podium, and then the Council will ask questions, and then we will close out the interview, and then go on to the next item, which is the appointment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Welcome this evening. So what we usually do is just give the, candidate the opportunity to say anything you'd like to say, just a, you know, a couple minutes at the most, and then we each have questions, and then we'll go on from there. So, and if you don't have anything that you want to say, that's okay as well, but we like to give you theopportunity. Yeah, definitely, thank you. Yeah, I'll introduce myself, and Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: kind of freestyle, per se. So, my name is Mark Zotmari. I've lived in Sebasapool for some time now, about almost a year, and I am applying to be a part of the Climate Action Committee. Every city I've lived in, California. 16 00:03:24.090 --> 00:03:43.039
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Every county I lived in, I volunteered and, engaged in community service and try to get involved with the community. So, currently, I do live closer to Grayton, but still in Sebastopol, and I'm a vocational rehabilitation counselor for the Department of Rehabilitation, and I help…I assist people, with mental health conditions and diagnoses, seek employment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, become contributing members of society. 18 00:03:45.790 --> 00:03:51.649
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So that is my, my background, and it's a pleasure to be here, and thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. So, we're back here at the dais. If anyone has any questions, Councilmember Zolman? Thank you, Madam Mayor. And so, first, thankyou for filling out the application. Thank you for being here. Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: My regular question is about disagreements. So, I know there was a question in the application. If there is disagreement amongst the members of the body, what can you say, what is your way of 21 00:04:15.860 --> 00:04:17.870
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Working through disagreements. 22 00:04:18.529 --> 00:04:19.770
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Definitely, thank you. 23 00:04:20.410 --> 00:04:39.809
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Dis…well, as I work inmental health, so disagreements happen all the time. No, but, no, how I work through disagreements, in a committee or in a body, a governing body, would be to hear everybody's perspective and try to understand their points of view, objectively and kind of detached emotionally, per se, and
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: kind of give my feedback, and you know, everyone's gonna feel a certain way about an issue or a matter. So, I'd like to basically kind of, like, build bridges and maybe come to a compromise or an agreement, or some kind of understanding or awareness. So, that's how I try to handlethat situation. Definitely building a rapport with
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The other people in the group as well, and just trying to have the spirit of teamwork andcollaboration, so… 26 00:05:07.110 --> 00:05:09.720
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. All right, thank you. Go ahead, Vice Mayor.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Iguess that's… what is that?The… 29 00:05:19.660 --> 00:05:27.030
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: your, sorry, the word is blanking. You said, you wanted to mitigate theeffect of climate change on Sevastopol. 30 00:05:27.230 --> 00:05:32.610
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You want to protect the wildlife, natural environment, mitigate traffic.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: and generate revenue for climate action awareness.Can youexpand on thoseideas? Yeah,definitely,definitely,and I'lltryto remember all of them and give, you know,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: my two cents on all of those matters. So, my background is I've, grown up in Elk Grove, California. It's a rural community, technically still is, and
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: when I was a teenager, all the way to adulthood, about 10 years, the city doubled in size. A lot of people moved there. It's a very, nice place to live. It's kind of a hot area for Bay Area residents as well to live. 34 00:06:04.330 --> 00:06:15.470
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: SoI've seen the effects of a growingcity, and East of Asapal, it's definitelymore rural, so it wouldn't grow to that extent, but I do… I have seen the… the impact that,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: more population and people coming into a city brings, and the good and the bad. So I would like to… Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: kind of mitigate… and with climate change, it's a… it's an interesting issue that every California city's gonna have to deal with, and, you know, every state in the country. So I would definitely try to keep in mind, the… 37 00:06:35.180 --> 00:06:45.399
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the stakeholders in the community. People have to do business as well, so just to be cognizant and mindful of how all those matters kind of interrelate and come into play.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But definitely, keeping the cityclean and trash off the highways or parking lots, would… would be, would be a number one issue. So yeah, so that's what I can… Icould elaborate more, but that's all I haveat the moment, so thank you. 39 00:07:01.630 --> 00:07:05.829
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: All right, thank you. Well, you answered some of the questions I had, but
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I just have a very basic question, just because it came up at a previous meeting. You're aware of when the meetings are, and you're able to make the meetings, and all of that that's associated with it? Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I do Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So I would be able to attend every meeting, monthly meeting, so…Got it. I just want… okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, all right. So, let me just turn my page here.
So what we're going to do this meeting, thank you very much for, for, giving us your time, and then we're going to move on to the second stage in this, in this process here. Thank you so much.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So this,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm going to move on to the item number 2, for the agenda, and that's consideration of appointment to the… to this opening, and I just wanted to see if anyone has any other questions before…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So I guess we'd go out to public comment now, Mary? Thank you, Mayor. So this is for public comment on the interview for the one opening on the Climate Action Committee. It is a two-minute public comment. If you would like to make a publiccomment, I dochambers first and then go out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom, I mean, I'm sorry, in the chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing then, I will go out to Zoom, if there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on the interview. 49 00:08:23.690 --> 00:08:40.510
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, public comments closed. All right, thank you. So, we're back at the dais, and, go ahead, Councilmember Solman. Thank you, Madam Mayor. So, yes, I was delighted to see Mark's application. I actually do know Mark. I met him, at the Mayor's, disability breakfast.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: many, many months ago, and I found out, how he's employed and how he works with our disabled youth, so we have had many great Agenda Item Number 2
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copies, so I'm delighted that he has applied. As far as his educational background, as far as his dedication.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To the area that we need, to have on this body, I think it's great.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In addition to his years of experience, his professional standing,his commitment, I always find it interesting when we have anybody that's below the age 50 applying for any of our positions, so I'm delighted that that's that. 53 00:09:22.150 --> 00:09:28.070
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Soyes, I would definitely be very supportive of his, application.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And when we get to entertaining motions, I would be happy to make a motion. Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Any other thoughts before we move on? Okay, so what we need is a motion.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, yes, I'd be happy, delighted, to move Mark's application to be, on the Climate Action, body. I'll second that. Okay, Mary? Thank you. So moved by Councilmember Zolman and seconded by Vice Mayor Maurer to appoint Mark San…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Zapmari to the Climate Action Committee for a term ending December 31st, 2027. Councilmember Hinton?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm gonna abstain since I wasn't present. 59 00:10:09.780 --> 00:10:23.979
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? Yes. Vice Mayor Maurer? Yes. Mayor McLewis? Yes. The motion passes 3-1-1, with Councilmember Zolman, Vice Mayor Maurer, and Mayor McLewis in support, Councilmember Hinton abstaining, and Councilmember Carter absent. Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: All right, moving right along here, as this year, being mayor, I always like for us to remember some history in Sebastopol, and given that we have the,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We have the Apple Blossom Festival coming up this weekend. I have, I have a little…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: blurb that I have here, and then I also connected with Teresa Raimondo, asking her about if she had any thoughts or memories since she, oversaw the Apple Blossom Festival for so long, so I'm just gonna quickly read it. And we also have some pictures, Mary, so you can go ahead, pass that one, or I'll read that, that's what… I'llread that. Sothis was sent to me,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: through the museum, and it's the, it's a postcard that was out there about Sebasto. It says, Home of the Gravenstein Apple is on parade for its Apple Blossom Festival and tours held annually around Easter time. Here, outdoor living and recreation are combined with widely diversified agricultural, manufacturing and cultural activities.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Southern Gateway to Russian River Recreational Area and Sonoma County's Blue Pacific coastline.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then, just for, as far as some other history, about the festival from Teresa, she said what she's learned in the many years at the Chamber, and now is her role with the Western Sonoma County Historical Society, who I work with for these historical moments.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: is that the Apple Blossom Festival's rich in history, dating back to the original days of the Gala Day Parade, which ran in the opposite direction of the current parade.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That is a tried and true tradition for our community. The celebration of the apple industry, the train down Maine. 68 00:11:54.790 --> 00:12:07.099
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The people and the places that have evolved over the years is a true reminder of the special community in which we live. A small, sophisticated town filled with traditioncontinues to move forward as a reminder of whowe were.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: who we are and who we will hope to be years from now. This festival remains as a huge part of our community and is ever-evolving to fit the times.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then I… I don't know, I wasn't paying attention. Were you able to stood those up?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the pictures worked, yeah, and so she had sent me some historical pictures. Some of them were pretty, pretty, 72 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:33.419
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, Leah is right here. Okay. 75 00:12:39.620 --> 00:12:45.929
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, this is a certificate of appreciation presented to Leah Goody Harris. Leah Goode Harris.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This certificate is presented in heartfelt recognition and deep gratitude for your visionary leadership, your creative spirit, and dedicated service in restoring the Labyrinth of Life Teen Memorial to the Sebastopol community.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Through your selfish service,you have brought into being a renewed, sacred, and contemplative space, honoring young lives lost too soon, one that offerscomfort, reflection, andhealingto countless residents and visitors, now and for generations to come.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: With deepest appreciation for your generous gift of time, heart, and vision, and for the lasting legacy you have bestowed upon our community. Thank you so much.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'd also like to thank Kenyon Webster, who was really very, very helpful as a board member of the Sebastopol Community Center, and helping Leah to get this done. So, thank you, Kenyon.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you very much. We couldn't do it without our community members. I want to say one more thing. The labyrinth is right over there behind theballfield,and Leah had leda fullday-long group of volunteers to build this. 86 00:14:33.520 --> 00:14:35.150
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Alright, the next thing I need to do is just see if anyone has any statements of conflict of interest before we move forward with anything. 89 00:14:46.700 --> 00:15:02.970
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, alright. One announcement I have, is that we will be postponing item number 10, so for anyone who is here for item number 10, that is going to be postponed to May 5th at or after 6 p.m. here at the Annex. 90 00:15:03.110 --> 00:15:21.219
Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And that it's the camera surveillance topic, and the staff member is nothere this evening, so I just want tolet everyone know ahead of time, if you're here for that item, that it's being postponed until May 5th. Yes? I have a question. I live very close to the Mansour restaurant, where the application is. 91 00:15:21.330 --> 00:15:24.580
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't know if it matters or not. It does. I did measure it out, but I'm pretty sure it's within 500 feet. Yeah, that wouldbe a conflict, due to…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: theproximity. Okay, should I… what should I do? Just excuse yourself for this. Do I need to leave the room? Yes. Yes. Oh, okay. How will I know when to come back?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'll come find you. We'll have someone come find you outside.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You don't need to leave right now, we have public comment and calendar items first, and all that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Did you want to go ahead and do it? No, it's okay, no worries. I just didn't want the Vice Mayor to leave when we had the other items. So, this is for public comment.So this is our first public comment period. This ispublic comment for items that are not on tonight's agenda.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It is a 2-minute public comment period. Again, I come intochambers first, and then go out to Zoom. If there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment for an item not on tonight's agenda, please come up to the podium.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Just a second, hang on just for a second. Teresa, is there a question? What is…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You can make any public comment on that item, so you can mention any streets. You can talk about any streets. The item brought forward from staff is what those streets are, but you can, during your public comment, canmention any street.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: bringing our history alive every couple weeks, it's really wonderful. I'm Teresa Raimondo, and I'm the president of the Western Sonoma County Historical Society. I'm just here tonight to invite you, the public, the council, everybody, to a couple events we have coming up.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This Sunday, the West County Museum will open its latest exhibit, which is Basket full of history.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Which is on all markets that we've had in our history in the past, and it's a pretty interesting display of all kinds of different markets that some of you probably have never heard of before, like Mr. Chaney's Market.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good for you, yeah. So, anyway, it's a really great exhibit done by Mary Dodgen, and that will be on Saturdays and Sundays from 11 to 2. We'll open on this Sunday, right after the festival.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Second announcement is the Burbank Experiment Farm, which is up off Bodega Highway. If you've never been there before, this is a great opportunity for you to enjoy our open house. We're having a plant sale. 109
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And there'll be all kinds of kids' activities, heirloom fruit trees, we have a great assortment of nursery, which we have a nursery there on regular occasion that you can go up and purchase things on the honor system. And our nursery sales have been increasing and improving daily. 110
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There's also going to be a craft sale. It's a familyfriendly, free event, and there will be historic tours as well. So, if you have not been to the farm yet, this is a great time for you to come up and
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Enjoy the farm and the activities, and that's May the 3rd, which is a Sunday.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And that's all I have for now, and thanks again for keeping us alive. Take care. Thank you. Thank you, Teresa, for your public comment. Next, I'll go out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment for an item not on tonight's agenda, please raise your hand virtually. 114
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment for an item not on tonight's agenda.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So let's get started here. Number 3, approval of City Council meeting minutes for the meeting of April 7th, 2026. 119
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Number 4, approval of City Council meeting minutes for closed session meeting of April 13, 2026.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Approve and adopt the resolution approving the appointment…oops, pardon me, this is item number 5. Approve and adopt theresolution approvingtheappointmentof NBSin preparation of theannualfiscalyear2026-27 Lighting Assessment District in accordance with provisions of the Landscaping and Lighting Act 1972,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Henceforth the Act of the California Streets and Highways Code.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And two proposals were received, and GHD was selected by staff as themost qualified toperform the work. 124
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Number 7, Receipt and approval of Sebastopol Solid Waste Collection Services Annual Rate Adjustments for Sonoma County Resource Recovery, LLC.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: City Council approval is required for any increase over 6% or for any extraordinary rate adjustment. The City Manager may approve smaller adjustments or refer them to the City Council at their discretion. 126
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For purposes of transparency and public information, this item is being presented to the City Council for approval at a public meeting so residents are informed of the proposed rate adjustment. 127
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Number 8, approval and adoption of a resolution authorizing the interim city manager to sign easement and related documents pertaining to the AmeriCorps Travel Project.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sodoes anyone want to pullan item off of the consent Okay, go ahead, Mary.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So this is for public comment for the consent calendar items only, 3 through 8. If you would like to make a public comment, again, it is a 2-minute public comment, and I willdo chambers first. 131
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I'll go out to Zoom. Kyle, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Kyle Falbo: Historically, we've had some financial problems that have resulted in a large number of revenue-generating practices that primarily fall on the residents, namely sales tax measures, increases to property tax.
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Kyle Falbo: We're looking at a fiscalcost of over$100,000 that's sitting on the consent calendar tonight.
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Kyle Falbo: Following my public comment, as long as there's no other public comment, which I don't think there will be, you will very quickly see one of our council members move to approve, another council member will second that, and they will immediately go to vote and unanimously consent, unanimously approve the consent calendar. 142
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Kyle Falbo: Increasing the cost to our budget of $100,000 in a fell swoop on an item that's not being discussed bycouncil members, not being discussed by city staff, not being discussed in large part through a public process that includes public comment. 143
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Kyle Falbo: approvals of hundreds of thousands of dollars are now just sitting on a consent calendar as a result of a failed RFP where only one proposal was given to a contractor who we had been working with for years for our engineering, without basically any sort of competition.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Kyle, for your public comment. Next, I will come back into chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom, if there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on the consent calendar items only.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, consent calendar is closed.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead, Councilmember Solman. Thank you, Madam Mayor. That…the public commenter does raise an interestingquestion, so I'm going to turn to our Interim General Manager. So, that has been our policy for 151
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: dollar amount expenditures on a consent calendar. So, is that not what this is about? Because I did read it, but… Typically, we put the dollar amounts when they haven't been vetted and not approved in the budget. These are items that have already been approved in the budget. Okay. And so, they're not new expenditures to our budget at all. It's already been approved within thecurrent fiscal year budget. Thank you for explaining that, because usually. 153
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: My recollection is we always highlight that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: somewhere on here. The fact that it's not a new expenditure, it's already something that we have already allottedmoney for, sothat's… 155
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It does say it's allocated in the CIP budget. It does say it's allocated. Right here, yeah, it says funding… there is no additional fiscal impact as funding is allocated in the CIP budget. Got it. That's kind of what I remember, too, but the public commenter made me think, so I just thought I'd ask the question anyway. 156
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'refinished with… okay. We just need a motion to approvethe consent calendar. I just want tomake sure we'reat in the same… I'm sorry? 159
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead. I'll go ahead and move the Consent Keller Williams. I'll second it, okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. So moved by Councilmember Zollman, and seconded by Vice Mayor Maurer to approve Consent Calendar Items 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. Councilmember Hinton?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Aye. Councilmember Zolman? Yes. Vice Mayor Maurer? Yes. Mayor McLewis? Yes. Councilmember Carter is absent. The motion passes 4 to 1, with Councilmembers Hinton, Zolman, Vice Mayor Maurer, Mayor McLewis in support, and Councilmember Carter absent.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So let's see. We have no informational items this evening.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sowe'll move on to publichearing. Did you have… were you… were you motioning? So, yeah, no,yes, actually, sorry. We're moving on to item number 9, public hearing appeal of alcohol use permit for 8050 Bodega Avenue. 166
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This item is an appeal of staff determination of allowed use of a restaurant at the site and the Planning Commission approval 167
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: of an alcohol use permit for on-site beer and wine sales.And,isplanning…Jane?Good afternoon.Good evening.Thankyou,Mayor. 168
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This item is before the City Council for consideration of an appeal of an alcohol use permit to allow Type 41 alcohol license, that's beer and wine sales, in conjunction with the restaurant. 169
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: as a part of a new restaurant at the existing restaurant location at 8050 Bodega Avenue. The proposed new restaurant intends to occupy the space where the Gravenstein Grill was most recently, previously Marty's Top of the Hill.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And it's, proposing to operate without changes to the structure or to the site plan.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The appeal also includes staff's November 2025 action determining that a new restaurant at this location is a permitted use, and that no further planning review or additional parking to continue the restaurant use would be required, but that alcohol sales would require approval of a use permit. 172
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Staff is recommending that the City Council deny the appeal and reaffirm staff's determinationthat continuing the restaurant use at this location does not require a use permit or require the provision of additional parking. 173
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Staff requests that you uphold the Planning Commission's approval of an alcohol use permit to allow the Type 41 here. 174
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Staff also informedthe applicant that changes to the site or the exterior of the building would require additional review, including design review. The applicant indicated that no changes were proposed. 176
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In February, the applicant submitted an application for an alcohol use permit. February 2nd, and on February 24th, the duly noticed public hearing was held by the Planning Commission to consider and approve that alcohol use permit.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: On March 2nd, Ricardo Oliveira, the applicant, or the appellant, submitted a timely appeal of the Planning Commission's decision, citing insufficientoff-street parking and error or abuse of discretion by staff. 178
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: He additionally submitted 3 private recorded easements, none of which the City are a party to.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The project is located within the General Commercial Zoning District, where a restaurant is a permitted use. No entitlement permits are needed to operate.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: However, alcohol served on this premises does require that conditional use permit, which was approved by the Planning Commission in February.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seville Municipal Code Chapter 17.160 allows legally established facilities that don't comply with current development standards, such as parking or setbacks, to continue to be used without complying with those current standards, as long as there are not substantial changes to the facility. 182
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And as you can imagine, this is something that's important for us to do, because if we required every new use that comes into an existing building to
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That's just not, something that we can do. Those provisions apply to new uses, they do not apply to existing uses unless there's a change. In this case, there is no change.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: As noted earlier, the applicant submitted three private recorded easements from 85, 86, and 2018 to support his position that planning staff andthe Planning Commission erred inmaking their approvals. The City is not a party to any of the private easements. The City does not have the responsibility nor the authority 186
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To enforce and administer private easements. 187
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: If the appellant wishes to enforce any or all of the private easements, that would be a civil action between the parties. The city is not a party to those easements and would not be involved.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Inthestaff report, I list the allegations ofthe appealsand findingsfordenial.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Again, we are recommending that the City Council deny the appeal upholding the decisions of staff in the PlanningCommission. That's my staff report.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The appellant is, on Zoom, and the property owners are here in the audience.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, thank you. And, what I understand is that the appellant would like to make a statement, and so,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We're, I just wanted to open that up, and also just, we have a limit of 5 minutes, so if Ricardo… is it Oliveira? Isthat howyou say it? If someone could…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, Steven, can you… is it possible to turn on the video for Ricardo, please?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There you go.
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Ricardo Oliveira: Okay, great. Can you guys hear me?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sure, and I just want to make sure you heard, we have up to 5 minutes to… to speak.
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Ricardo Oliveira: Okay, great. I actually thought it was less, so I will go ahead. My name is Ricardo Oliveira. Tonight, I am asking to overturn the CEQA exemptionfinding and require an initial study before this project moves forward.
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Ricardo Oliveira: The Class 1 exemption under Section 15301 applies only where there are no unusualcircumstances that could result ina significant environmental effect. This project fails on that test.
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Ricardo Oliveira: The project requires 51 parking spaces under the planning code. The site has a dramatic deficit in such parking. This deficit was created by three successive legal events recorded with the county.
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Ricardo Oliveira: during the life of the prior restaurant use, a 1986 parking easement, a 2018 lot division that sold off a significant portion ofthe site, and a 2018 parking easement. Each event further reduced the available parking.
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Ricardo Oliveira: Critically.
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Ricardo Oliveira: In 2018, a Sebastopol planner stated that the parking reduction at this site needed to be reviewed and addressed.
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Ricardo Oliveira: A categorical exemption cannot be used where there is a reasonable possibility of a significant environmental effect due to unusual circumstances. 208
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Ricardo Oliveira: The facts I stated for this project clearly constitute unusual circumstances, andthe parking deficit more than satisfies the fair argument standard. The Section 15301
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Ricardo Oliveira: exemption does not apply here. I urge this body to overturn the exemption finding of the PlanningDepartment and require the initial study the site has needed since 2018.
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Ricardo Oliveira: If the planning department and this body is not basing decision based on that exemption, then
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Ricardo Oliveira: The loss of the prior use of the restaurant. 213
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Ricardo Oliveira: due toclosure since December 2023, and anew restaurant use qualifies as a new use.
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Ricardo Oliveira: If a restaurant is permitted, it still must comply with other requirements of the planning code, such as parking.
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Ricardo Oliveira: And it is incorrect that the recorded easements and the sale of part of that lot property, the fact that the City of Spasal is not a party to those actions, does not reduce Agenda Item Number 2
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Ricardo Oliveira: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: All right, so I guess we're back here. Questions of staff that can go up. Yeah, I was just saying, we're back at the dais, I'm gonna take questions. I think the property owner has a short presentation. Two minutes of the set? Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm sorry?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Goodevening, if you… you're the property owner, is that correct? I'm alsothe applicant. Oh,okay. Yes. Okay. Hi, my name is Sufi Serotti. 226
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You can hear me, Craig? Yeah, yeah. Okay, great.
Yeah, so I have the timer on, so you'll know. The timer on, sorry. I'm sorry, can I just jump in really quick? I think we should, for equity, give 5 minutes as well to this. Can we, Steven, can you change that to 5 minutes, please? Sure.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Thank you, go ahead. Thank you. I shouldn't take 5 minutes, though. There was 3 points that I just wanted to hit on, since we already went over everything. First, this property, I'm sure many of you already know, has been a restaurant for a considerable amount of time.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So this wouldn't be considered a new use, it would just be a continuous use of a prior existing restaurant, so Ari has the zoning for it.
Under SMC 17.160, we're essentially being grandfathered in because there isn't anything materially different. It's kind of like…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you would see a building and a restaurant owner would change, right? You have new management that comes in. If you're not doing anything different, this is really commonplace. There really isn't anything different, andthere shouldn't be any new zoning, since nothing is materially being changed structurally. 230
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The other thing that I wanted to mention is, in terms of the easement itself, this would be a private agreement, so it's not anything that the city would really have to weigh in on, necessarily. This would be something that we would talk about in, essentially civil court.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For these sort of uses, because this is about zoning.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The last thing would be, because the Planning Commission already approved the use permit, and there wasn't any error or abuse of discretion.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This is pretty much a really straightforward case of one restaurant taking over another space. That's essentially what this whole entire thing is.
We would be more than happy to talk to Mr. Oliveira, and we want to make sure that we're respecting the space.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But besides that, I really can't see what the issue is exactly with this space. So, I'm asking the City Council to respectfully deny the appeal and uphold the alcohol use permit. Thank you so much for your time. 235
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to definitely just ask staff. So, this is basically a change of ownership with no substantial alteration.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is that basically the gist? Yes.Okay. So, what I… but I heard from the person who's brought the appeal, there's CQA, which I'm not entirely sure I read that. So, what is that about, and why does it not have merit from your perspective?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I believe he's referring to CEQA, the California… Oh, is that what it was? California Environmental Quality Act? Yeah, that I do know, but I didn't… I didn't hearthat and write it downthatway. And in this case, it'sstaff's belief that Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, new owners to come in for the same business in the same structure without providing additional parking or meeting setbacks that would have been in place 50 years ago, or whatever, is very commonplace. It happens all over the city. Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thanks.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Scott, did you have some? Or, oh, okay, no, you were reaching in. So, okay. All right, Mary.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, so this is the public hearing for the appeal on the
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 8050 Bodega Avenue, if you would like to make a public comment, is a 2-minute public comment. Again, I do chambersfirst, andthen go out to Zoom. If there's anyone in chambers that would like, please come up to the podium. 248
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good evening. I am familiar with the property because I was the prior owner who sold it to the applicants. 249
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The…appellant was inaccurate in some very important areas. Number one.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I know of one restaurant in the entire city of Sebastopol that has any greater amount of off
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And that would be Hot Monk, because they're adjacent to the city lot.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There is no other restaurant that I can think of that has more parking than 8050.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thereare 68Off-site parking spaces, and there is an easement.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, it's important to get the facts out here straight.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I will go out to Zoom. Kyle, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Kyle Falbo: I can't.
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Kyle Falbo: So just more about, the specifics of things here. The catchreally is about grandfathered non-conforming restaurants
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Kyle Falbo: often that those uses can be lost by abandonment or discontinuance. So, many California local codes say that if the nonconforming use stops for a set period, commonly 180 days, 6 months, 9 months, 12 months, whatever, it cannot be reestablished as of right.
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KyleFalbo:dependingon whatwehavespecificallyin Sebastopol,Iwould belookingat that, tomake that determination. So, the first restaurant closed, the space sat vacant for a significantperiod,andthen onlylater,a new restaurantproposed opening, then really the question is, what's the prior non-performing restaurant? 267
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Kyle Falbo: use discontinued long enough to terminate? And if the answer is yes, under the local ordinance, the new operator usually cannot just revive the old status merely because both tenants are restaurants. In particular, I just want to talk about the history of this location in terms of, like, alcohol use, right?
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Kyle Falbo: Unlike many other alcohol-serving locations that happen to be primarily within an urban core, this is a more removed location.
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Kyle Falbo: As somebody who, in the winter of 1992, experienced a drunk driver from Marty's top of the hill, fall asleep at the wheel coming down Bodega and crash into my home, causing me to wake up and look out the window and seeing a mangled vehicle and a bloody hand sticking out.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I will come back into chambers. If there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment, please.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good evening, my name is Edward Fishman, and I work right next to the property in question. I've enjoyed the use of that property in its prior iterations of business. I think it's a shame to have it sit empty. I'm pro-business, prorevenue for the city, and not from a legal perspective or from an alcohol use perspective, but from the
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you ever for your public comment. Next, I'll go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on the appeal of 8050 Bodega Avenue, please raise your hand virtually. 280
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I'll come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment on this appeal. 281
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, the public hearing is closed on this item. All right, thank you very much. We're back at the dais if anyone has any comments. 282
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I guess I was frankly kind of surprised to have this, on our agenda. I,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Having lived in Spasal, fourth generation, this has always been a restaurant, and I, too, have enjoyed going there, not just 286
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: my parents used to go there after they were square dancing. I mean, I just… I'm really shocked that this is even before us. So, I'm gonna be…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: supporting this, use for… to replace the restaurant tonight, and, like I said, I follow the Planning Commission, who we trust to review these thingsforus,and…and that'swhereI'llbegoingtonight. 288
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I… I would just say I have pretty muchthe same comment. I was surprised to see it. I've enjoyed that place for…with many different restaurants, and I toowould like to just… I'm, you know, I think the planning… go with the Planning Commission on what their, what their decision was, so I trust them. 289
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, Councilmember Zolman, you had a motion? Yeah,similarvein,and thefactthatI'mfollowingstaff'sanalysis,Idon'tseea substantial change, so I'll make a motion to deny, the appeal.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. So moved by Councilmember Zolman and seconded by Councilmember Hinton to deny the appeal and reaffirm staff's determination that continuing the restaurant use at this location does not require use permit or require the provision of additional parking, and uphold the Planning Commission'sapprovalof analcohol…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: excuse me, alcohol use permit to allow a Type 41, beerand winein abonafideeatingestablishmentalcohollicenseforanew restaurantat 8050 Bodega Avenue. Councilmember Hinton?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Aye. Councilmember Zolman? Yes. Mayor McLewis? Yes. Councilmember Carter and Vice Mayor Maurer are absent. Motion passes 3-2, with Councilmembers Hinton, Zolman, and Mayor McLewis in support, and Councilmember Carter and Vice Mayor Maurer absent.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thankyou. Oh, we try not to…we try not to clap in the room here just to, you know, keep order. Could someone, let Vice Mayor know that we're…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And while we're doing that, I'm just gonna say one more time, just a reminder that item number 10 is being moved to the May 5th meeting at or after 6 p.m.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And while we're waiting, I know several people are here for this next item, which is number 11, so just for those who aren't familiar with our process, we're gonna hear our staff report, and then we'll hear the report on the whole item, and then it'll come back to the Council. We will
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: ask questions, and then we go to public comment on that item, then it will come back to us for our comments and then our decisions. So, just, just so that you're aware if you haven't.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Welcome back.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No problem.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Whenever you're ready, we're gonna move on to number 11.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead. Okay. Alright, so we're gonna move on to,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Our regular calendar agenda items, discussion and interaction. Number 11, citywide pavement Improvement Project CIP number 0521-25. 305
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 05, site selection fiscal year 25-26. This item is to provide direction on proceeding with the design and construction, the pavement improvement project for Palm Avenue and Strout Street.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And provide any comments or direction on future street reconstruction priorities. And this item is with Public Works, so if, let's see… and then I'm just going to mention that this additional fiscal impact is $500,000, 307
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: is included in the fiscal year 25-26 CIP for this project. So I'm going to go ahead and turn this over to Oriana. 308
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and Councilmembers. As stated, this item is to review and approvethe selection of the first streets that… or the streets that will be included in the25-26, payment improvement project. This is kind of the second phaseof ourpayment improvements, the first being the dig out and repairs project that was
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: approved in March. We are, through our design, of that piece of
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: pavement, and we should still be on track to put that out to bid in May. So that was the first project that came out of our pavement improvement. And in that process, pulling out palm and Strout came up as a discussion piece because they're in too disrepair to have digouts and repairs. 311
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the pavement is pretty much failed all the way down to the sub-base, so they really need to be reconstructed. So they were pulled aside as a separate CIP project, and we would like to proceed with doing the engineering and design, and put those two projects out to bid as part of our 25-26 312
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: citywide payment improvement. Now, as part of that, our preliminary engineering estimates have come back a little bit… 313
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: less expensive than we had originally anticipated when we put together the CIP program, so we have the potential to maybe include a third street in this year's CIP. So, as I'm looking for guidance on choosing those two streets, we also have an opportunity to maybe include a third street of a similar size in that first-year bid package, and I have some options of the next kind of 314
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: very,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: ill-repair streets that need to be rebuilt in kind of the same fashion as Palm and Strout as part of that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: agenda package that you're looking at. And in those, the ones that are similar size would be, West,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: south, east side, or Fannin. So I'm proposing that one of those might be included as an optional bid item, when we take these projects out for, design, engineering, and construction.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'll… Good, good. Can you repeat those streets that are a possible third?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That's Eastside, South, and Fannin. So those are the ones, and we're just looking at, kind of, the pavement condition index that was part of our pavement management plan, and those are the ones that are, like, the… they have a PCI, which is a rating from 0 to 100, and all of those are under 10.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: as are Palm Avenue and Strout as well. So we're just looking to kind of
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: take those one at a time, and these would be the first bunch that we're doing inthis year's CIP, and then we'll becoming back to Councilas part of next year's CIP with an additional grouping of streets for the next year's citywide pavement Improvement Project. Soyou're referring to what's in Table2? Is that what… 322
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Those are kind of the pavement condition indexes of kind of the next lumping of streets that are in very bad condition. 323
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, go ahead, Councilmember. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Yeah, this is the part that's confusing to me. So… 324
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: there was prior discussion about these two streets, Palm Avenue and Stout.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But I don't see the PCI listed, because if you go down to Table 2,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And these additional streets that are being contemplated, the pavement Condition Index is stated. So, why… why are we not seeing the actual PCI forthese two? So…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Palm and Stroud have been discussed quite a bit in the previous agenda item, so I missed putting those in here. So the PCI for Palm is 8, and the PCI for Stroud is 3. Right, so that begs the question. 328
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Are we in questions, or did I just cut… Well, I wanted to… I wanted toclarify if we were donewith the presentation, or… No, not quite, it's just… so that's what I'm looking for, is just approval ofthe original recommendation to move forward with Palm and Strout, and then consideration of a potential third street to put into this package.
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mentioned Eastside, Fannin, and South, because there are twoothersas well, so… Yes, those, and I was just trying to give everyone who's looking at these agenda items and the Council kind of a picture of where we're headed. So those are the next grouping of streets that we know there's large neighborhood concerns about, that we're getting a lot of citizen complaints about, and
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that have very low PCIs. 331
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For the amount of money we have available in this year's CIP, we'd need to look at one of the smaller streets, but I'm hoping to move forward with the other streets in that table in our next year's CIP. 332
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This is a little confusing, because it's not in here. I mean, it… I'd like it to be very spelled out, so… because I feel like we're bouncing all over the place. Go ahead. Yeah, that's my general question, is the fact that we're… I'm trying to understand the process to explain to the public, because clearly there's a lot of public here that are unhappy
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: otherwise they wouldn't be here, that we're only consideringtwo streets whose PCI is not listed in the staff report, and what I just heard from staff is those two streets have a higher PCI than some ofthem that are in Table 2, additional streets. Why are we just not picking
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: one, the next horribleness would probably be two, three, and going with those. Why are we jumping all over the place? I don't understand this.
Palm and strata come up as part of the discussion. Okay, and I'm having auditory problems, so if we can get some admonishment to the members of the audience, the whispering is hard to hear, and I know that's my thing, but if we could… 336
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: just keep that down so I can just focus on 337
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: question and answer, that'd be great. Okay, alright, I think…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, Palm and Strout had come up in the previous discussions when we were talking about the digouts and repairs, some of it before my time, but this was Council direction to look at these specific streets as part of this year's repayment project. And Palm is a connector road, like, everybody goes through there in Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: previous discussions, and Strout is in… 3's pretty bad for PCI, so that one is a very, very low PCI street. 340
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'd like to see it onthe screen.I'd like to know if… 342
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: if the whole streets are being covered, I'm trying to pull up a map. Imean, we're starting…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Very well, but I'm just trying to orientate myself, and maybe the people in the audience, or in the public, too. I hate to call people the audience, because you're participating. In the public, too. And I do know that one Councilmember Ryan, we said, could we look at Palm 2?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But I don't recall that that made Palm a top priority, because it isn't a top priority, necessarily, for me. I know that we wanted to look at it along with the others.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But all of a sudden, it seems like now we've got 347
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Just to get our bearings, do we have a presentation, or do we have a street map that we can put up to take a look at? 349
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Can you let me in on it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm new, we can't take… sorry. 351
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I can bring it up, but I have to get into the Zoom, so give me a sec. Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We're trying to look at our own map while we're waiting.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, Stroud, I'm sorry, is it down by the plaza? 354
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm… Iknow where Palm is. Fully. 355
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There's Downtown Restaurant by West Street. 357
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's…Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There's… there's… yeah. I see it, but I see it. 359
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: How we doing? I'm there, yep. Okay. 360
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't know. Go ahead. I'm just gonna just jump in again. I'm just still lost, and I'm sensing that maybe others up here are lost, too. 361
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: like, how is it that out of all of the horrible streets that we have with really low PCIs, that we're spending this amount of time on just two? And I'm just directingthis tostaff because
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And to our assistant city manager, because she's responsible for everyone's staff time. So why is this here now? I'm just really overall lost with this.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Because this was a direction from Council to look at Palm Avenue and this street, so it did come down. It did. It did. And so there were three of us that voted to examine two streets out of context. 364
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Palm Avenue was the one that I was aware of that was being looked at, and then Strout came upon… while we were doing it, we had funding available to lookat Stroud as well, so that's why thesetwo… 365
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Could you say when three of us voted? I don't have that time in front of me, I'd have to go back and go through that. It was in an item a few… was it a couple months ago when wewere discussing streets, and I brought up Palm and wanted to discuss it more, and it was not…we could not discuss it that night, so we agreed that we would bring it back as an agenda item later, because they had more information for us to give us, because they thought… they weren't sure about the cost 366
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: of…ofit all. And then… and then I believe what happened is then Straut's
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: street also came up, and we all received information about it, sothese were the two that came up. That's my recollection, ifthat… if that is… That iscorrect. That is how it came about. Yeah, so that's how… where we're at, and are you… oh, go ahead, Vice Mayor.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, just to clarify, the worst street right now, the worst streets go from…so Strat would be the worst, Live Oak, thenFannin, Eastside, South, Palm, and Lighting, in order of
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah. Did I get it right? I believe you're mostly accurate. I havethis upon my screen, so I can't pull the PCI up, but yes, I'm… Okay, so at a PCI of 3, strout and live oak are the worst. Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Live Oak's a longer stretch. It also has probably some more design challenges, just the way the sidewalk is, so our recommendation would be to bring that back in next year's,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, it seems like it might be important that we should consider how much traffic a road gets, like, maybe Live Oak wouldn't get as much traffic as Palm? I'm just asking. Yes, I think…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: trafficloading is very important, and when you look at the larger pavement management plans, and the City of Sebastopol has one that we've done, they look at trafficrating, andthey look at this PCI conditioning, andthey bring back recommendations that really look at surface treatments. So, these lower PCI streets never make it into a pavement management plan as they're approved because of their incredibly bad condition.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, what I have heard from Council and from the public in my small time here is that we need to have a balance and a mix of those. We need to address some of these streets that are in terrible condition, you know, a couple a year because they're very expensive, and also be doing some of the surface treatment to our better streets so that they don't fall into disrepair. So that's kind of where I hope to be headed in the next fiscal year CIP.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But it… these are thetwo streets that were brought up previously and asked for further cost trips, so that's where we are. And just for the sense of order, I want to understand, we have Strout and we have Palm, but you said you would like us to look at something else for a third for something, so I want to be very clear, because it's not clear to me what exactly… because I'm lookingat the 377
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: restated recommendation, and it's only about Palm and Strout, so I just want to understand what you're asking us to do. When we got some of the engineer's estimates back, and I have some design costs to do, Palm Strout and a potential third street, we potentially have enough budget in this year's CIP project, not in 26, 27, but in 25, 26, to do a third street rebuild to one of those 378
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: streets that is in a very bad condition of a similar size. So, I pulled the streets that have very low PCI and are similar square footage to Palm and Strout, and if one of those,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: is in consideration, and you guys would like to move forward with one of those, I think we could include it as an optional bid item, and at least get moving on the design work for a third street. 380
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I see. Okay, go ahead, Councilmember Hunt. So, to clarify Palm, are we just talking about the section between Petaluma Avenue and Maine? 381
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That's correct, that's what we've currently done.
That's the only part. And then in Strout's case, which now I've found it, are we talking about the whole street, or are we talking about a section? That's the whole street, so that's from west to Pitt.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: longer than the section in Palm, is it? Because it's less expensive when I look at the bids. It's a little bit longer, but they're… Is it similar? It's similar.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 21 to 30 day bid period. So we're looking at 2 or 3 months before construction would start. So, realistically, it would probably start 387
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: end of June, beginning of July, for these projects. 388
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So they could be done by August? 389
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Possibly? September. September. Perfect, okay. 390
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,and so you're asking us… I'm just trying to make sure that for,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For here, you're asking us… 392
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Under a restated recommendations, City Council receive the report, provide direction on proceeding with design for Palm Avenue and Strout Street reconstruction, and provide comments or direction under consideration for future 393
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: reconstruction for part of 2627 CIP. So this third piece, you're one… now you're now wanting us to look at, 394
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Table 2,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And have that discussion. And which one of those streets would be a good candidate for the third street to include in this year's CIP? Okay. 396
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And which one are you recommending? I would select Fannin, just because it's a connector road between Petaluma and South Main as well, and so it gets themost traffic.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, Fannin… Okay… 398
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so for that, you have no idea what the cost would be at this point. That's why you want to put this out, and… It would be as an optional item, but just looking at the square footage of that one and Palm, they're similar square footage, so it would be in the same ballpark, I'm hoping. 399
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But just to keep things moving forward efficiently, that's why if we could make a recommendation to do the design work and include it in the contract as anoptionalbid item, then we have the flexibility, if it comesin within our budget, to do all three.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Got it. Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Does anyone have any other questions? I think we're all trying to digest this.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm trying to find Fannin onthemap. Oh, it's… 403
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Do you have it onthe map there that people… that you could direct people?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah,so… Bannon's thisguyright here. 405
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I can't see that, I don't know if you can blow it up a little. I'm sorry, my eyesare…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You said it was near Petaluma Avenue? 407
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: SoFannin… Fannin is the road that's, like, across from Calder, is that correct? Am I thinking of the right street? It's on the opposite side of South Main? Correct.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So we're thinking between Maine and Petaluma Avenue?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is that what you're thinking? Yes. Thank you. 411
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: All right. And then the other two similar-sized streets are Eastside and South that have… we've had significant residence complaints, probably some of these folks.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Got it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Alright, any other questions here from anyone at this point?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Question about… These are your recommendations for this year, but what are you recommending for next year? 416
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, this grouping of streets would be the ones that I would recommend doing the full reconstruction on as part of our next year's citywide pavement improvement, and then we'll have kind of a parallel project that does some of that surface treatment, so a slurry seal or a micro seal over some of the medium-level streets, just to keep those from falling into disrepair. 417
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And when I come back with that, I'm hoping to present moreof, like, afive-year pavement plan that shows, kind of, where we're heading so that people in the community can see when we're going to get to some of these other streets, because I know there's lots of interest.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, are you recommending Live Oak, Eastside, South, and lighting for 26-27? Correct.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,sorry, I'm… Any other questions? 421
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Mary, if you want to go out for public comment? 422
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Mayor. So this is for public comment on the Citywide pavement Improvement Project, as, discussed and presented. If you would like to make a public comment, again, it is a 2-minute time limit, and I will do Chambers first and then Zoom. If there's anyone in chambers that would like to make… please? 423
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It is on the screen, but I can also jump in when you have about 30 seconds left.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good evening again. My name's Ed Fishman, and I live on Western Avenue on the corner of South Avenue.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: At the end, I'm going to ask you to do two things, but first, let me just describe what it's like living there. 426
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: When the street pavers come, and we hear them coming around the corner.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Myself and my good neighbors duck for cover. 428
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Because the spinning wheels of the brushes kick up the rocks and the asphalt that continually break from years of patching upon patching upon patching that always break.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I realize you folks have a tough job. 430
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Because you've got this much to do with this much money, and I understand that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: won several of you, who I recognize from coming and ringing my doorbell and asking for your vote.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I took you outside, and I walked the street with you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I said, please look at this. 434
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And each of you said to me, this is horrible, this is deplorable, this is embarrassing, and you promised you would go back to basics.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And the basics of government is to provide roads, safety, schools.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I know these are not easy decisions. 437
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I drove here tonight, I drove down South Avenue, east side, and I crossed through home.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I am not the city engineer, I do not have engineering experience, but my gosh, the South.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And the Eastside Road is so much worse. 440
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Than any of the other streets mentioned to be done this year.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I've been calling and contacting Citi 442
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For the 17 years that I've lived there. And I'm always told the same thing. And you have about 25 seconds? Thank you. It's funding. 443
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would ask you to do two things. One. 444
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Please take a walk down our street. 445
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Two, I would ask that you table the matter for another month.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To look into this further.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Do a deeper dive and analysis of which streets are in the worst state of disrepair.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I'll go out to Zoom. Kyle, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Kyle Falbo: Yes, I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, can you see the timer? 452
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Kyle Falbo: I can.
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Kyle Falbo: So, I think it's great that City Council is debating the merits of one particular street over another, but, like, let's maybe kind of unpack how we got here. This is about deferred maintenance.
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Kyle Falbo: This is about the city failing to maintain its infrastructure to the point of such disrepair that the expense is astronomical because it's replacement instead of repair. 456
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Kyle Falbo: So, why does that happen? Well… for…
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Kyle Falbo: funds that were identified as… to be allocated for things like roads, things like money from gasoline tax, from other tax expenditures that were documented to be for infrastructure projects, and then moving those to other general fund expenditures. This was well documented in our last city engineer manager's report that this council… that this council received.
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Kyle Falbo: Six years ago, We've been talking about Palm for 6 years. 460
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Kyle Falbo: The city doesn't prioritize infrastructure. Why? Because it's not sexy, right? It's way more sexy to go ahead and give money to the Apple Blossom Festival, right? Makes great headlines, makes great press, but giving $15,000 to $100,000 to road repair just doesn't make the headlines and doesn't look that great. 461
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Kyle Falbo: But when you do that for years and years, giving hundreds of thousand dollars to nonprofits instead ofto the actual roads thatare now rated some of the worst in theBay Area, we get to where we're at.
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Kyle Falbo: Couple that with the fact that we don't even have an engineer, so we're outsourcing all the design work. We're outside… we're outsourcing allof the public works, we don't even have the capacity to do our own labor in this city, because we're outsourcing it to third-party contractors. So that's why it's so expensive, and that's why you can only get two streets done each year.
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Kyle Falbo: Good luck.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Kyle, for your public comment. 465
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Next, I will come back into Chambers. 466
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: If there's anyone in chambers, please? 467
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hello, my name is Nick Kishmarian. 468
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I have lived in Sebastopol since 1981. 469
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Started living on South Avenue back in 1981. In fact, Sandy was my next-door neighbor for a few years.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I lived there till 1987, and then I moved back onto South Avenue in the same duplex.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 2011. So, I know what the streets looked like back then, and they were in bad shape then.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And they're in worse shape now. 473
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: One thing that we forget, too. 474
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The roads are meant for cars, primarily. 475
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But you also have to park your cars.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And when you get out of your car, and you step into a pothole, And twist your ankle.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You have a liability issue going on. 478
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That needs to be addressed… addressed, too. 479
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So anyway, I hope you take into consideration 480
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: taking a walk down Eastside, South Avenue. 481
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Take a look for yourself. I sent an email to Alyssa. 482
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And it's got pictures on there. You can kind of see what we have to live through.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: All the time.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I will go back out to Zoom, if there's anyone on Zoom. Karen, can you unmute yourself, please? 486
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Karen M: Hi, my name is Vaughn Whalen, I'm Karen's spouse. I live on West Street. I've lived in Sebast Pole since the late 70s.
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Karen M: Stroud,
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Karen M: is certainly a deplorable street. I… wesent pictures to thecity manager. There are potholes 6 to 8 inches deep throughout the street. I feel like this is a public safety hazard. 489
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Karen M: I brought this up last year, and they came out and threw some patches in, which I appreciated.
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Karen M: It's a place where wheels can break.
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Karen M: tires will go off, and I thinkthat the potential for anaccident ishigh, and I'm glad to see that it's number one on the list. I haven't been to, South Street, but I can't imagine that it's in more deplorable condition
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Karen M: to Strout, and so I hope that,
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Karen M: your agenda goes forward, and Stroud, gets fixed this year, just forthe well-being of, the citizenry in Sebastopol. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers. 495
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In the background. 496
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, I'm Ann Rogers, I live on West Street, opposite Strout.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I'm just sorry that we're mixed up in any confusion, because I don't think there should be any confusion about Strout Street being the worst street in the city. I wish we could just get that done while you work out the rest of your issues. Thanks.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Anne, for your public comment. Next, I will go back out to Zoom, if there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on the street pavement.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Please raise your hand virtually. Seeing none, we'll come back into chambers. If there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hello, members of the City Council. My name is Shannon Pedersen. My husband and I have resided at 7244 Strout Street for the last 33 years.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Our stretch of Strout Street reminds me of our travels in a third-world country, when our driver would swerve up over the curb and drive on the sidewalks for long stretches to avoid their horrible, crumbling roads. 502
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For years now, we have watched our street further deteriorate with no upkeep within the last 50 years. We have seen other… 503
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We have seen only half ofthepotholes filled infrequently,and with theheavyrainand traffic,thepotholesaretreacherousagain.We pay our taxes, and in return, we expect the people in charge.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'll keep our roads in a reasonably safe condition, thus allowing one to be able to ride a bike down our street without a pothole swallowing up our front tire and throwing us over the handlebars. 505
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Prolonged city negligence to the roads due to aging, lack of maintenance, and underinvestment have caused not only thousands of dollars in vehicle damages, but serious, life-threatening 506
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Catastrophic personal injuries or death in California. One pedestrian tripped in a pothole costing her $272,000 in medical expenses, and she received a $2 million settlement.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Another fell into a one… just a half-inch deep pothole. She required spinal fusion surgery, which incurred $300,000 in medical expenses.
A bicyclist received $7 million settlement.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Another bicyclist is now nonverbal and requires constant27…24-7 care for the… Dan, you have about 20 seconds. Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: A pothole is considered a safety defect when it is at least 30 millimeters or less than 1 and 1 4th inches deep. Strout streets are currently worse, measuring 4 to 6 inches deep, and some quite wide. 510
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: When cities fail to meet these obligations, it can open thedoortosignificantand costlylawsuits.Shannon,that's2minutes. 511
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment, please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment. 513
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, my name is Nancy Lance, and I have lived in Sebastopoloffof,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Eastside Road is where my driveway is, and on Western is the corner. It's probably about 300 feet total. I don't know if you, I'm sorry, I don't know your name, have driven down that road and seen it. It is deplorable. There's potholes, just…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you can't even get around them anymore. Used to be able to drive, drive, drive. They're 6 inches deep. The rock is just spattering everywhere. 516
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It is deplorable, and I drive down Palm all the time, and I know the area right between the Main and the Petaluma Avenue is bad. It's a very short section. It's nowhere near as bad as Eastside Road, so… 517
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would like you to go check out Eastside Road and, the additional, South Street. It's just very short, like I said, less than 300 feet. 518
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Take alook, it is… Gross. Terrible. 519
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I'll go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment, to please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers. 521
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This one, and then… 522
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good evening, my name is Tim Johnson. I'd like to thank the Council for letting us residents of Strout come and implore our cause. I've owned a duplex on Strout for 25 years.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And one of my tenants is very elderly. She's 79 years old, she has mobility and health problems, and to navigate the deep potholes that are… when she gets in and out of her car is really a safety issue. It can't be described as anything else.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It sounds like, you have both, very good arguments to include both Strout and South and Eastside in the paving projections, and I can't… I haven't heard anything that would oppose that, so I hope you'll make the right decision and proceed with the work. Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment, please raise your hand.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers, please.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hello,my name is Ellen Botorff, and I share a driveway and a garage with my landlady, and we open up to Eastside Avenue and South Avenue.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I,first of all, I want to sayto Palm and Strout, I hope your streets get repaved, because it sounds as dangerous as ours. I want to just tell the City Council that, South Avenue
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: and Eastside Avenue are only one block long, so it's not, like, as long as Palm, so maybe you could add them, because 530
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: They are so dangerous. Just this afternoon, my tire got stuck in a pothole, and water was flying everywhere. There's gravel, it's just… it's horrible. I lived in Sonoma County and Santa Rosa since 1983. I've never seen anything like this. It's just,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's really, really, really… it's a safety issue. So I hope that…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Since there's extra money that was said that there was extra. Hope you can add those other two so you can do all four. 533
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So that's really, really important. You mentioned Oak Street or something, but I haven't heard anybody here talking about that particular avenue or street.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, thank you, yeah, it's just, and I'm also, every day I walk on Juul.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hayden, and
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: McFarland, and they're all just beautifully paved and no problems. But I either have to use Eastside Avenue or South Avenue 537
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to even go anywhere, walkingor driving, and it's… it's really… I also urge you to come over and check it out, try to walk 538
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: A few feet and see. 539
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Telling you about 20 seconds. Thank you for your public comment. Next,I'll go back out to Chambers. If there's anyone in… I'm sorry, in Zoom, if you would like to raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I'll come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment? 541
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hello, my name is Luis. I live on West Street, and we always take a shortcut to Safeway, and Stroud is the street we take. 542
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Over the years, I've noticed it's been getting worse and worse.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: More so, for some reason this year. 544
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I've noticed that just by walking by, that the potholes are so deep.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the dirt is exposed, so now you don't even see the asphalt. There's the dirt that's exposed. I mean, I got pictures here of…you can see where the dirt is now. I know we have limited resources in the city, and you have to, 546
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: figureout what's your priority,but hopefully you can take in consideration this street, and
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Get it repaired as soon as you can. 548
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I'll go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom, if you could raise your hand virtually. 550
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I had this person first, and then I'llcome back to you, if that's okay? Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, my name is Kathy, and I live on South and Eastside Avenue, and I'm just adding my voice with my neighbors, who all came out to support
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Our goal to get our streets paved. 554
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I, too, have been in Sonoma County for almost 50 years, and I have never,ever seen streets like these. And, it's… 555
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: as everyone said, it's a hazard. It's hurting, you know, it's… I think something on my car actually broke. A tie rod or something got cracked driving on that street. I just was told my tie rod is cracked. So, 556
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I really would like to, like everyone else, have urged you to take a look, at these streets. I drive on South, Eastside, and that section of Palm, which is in not great shape, but it's not as bad as south and east side. 557
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, anyway… I hope that something canbe done aboutthese…aboutourneighborhood.Thankyousomuch. 558
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I'll go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom, to please raise your hand virtually. 559
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers. 560
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good evening, Council Members. My name is Jay Pedersen, and I live on 7244 Strout Street.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I really appreciate you giving attention to this issue of stout.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's crumbling, it has large potholes that force drivers to swerve into opposing lanes, and cyclists and pedestrians are put in real risk. 563
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Emergency vehicles lose precious time navigating the surface that should be reliable, and every day, residents absorb the cost. Vehicle damage, alignment repairs, and simple stress of navigating what should be the safest stretch of road we use
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The street and neighborhood is getting additional use due to the congestion on state highways near Strout, and also there's a lot more ADUs in our neighborhood, which has increased the
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the use of the street. This isn't about inconvenience, it's about public policy, public safety, infrastructure responsibility, and quality of life.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Streets are the most visible and heavily used public assets the city maintains. When they fail, it sends a message, not just about neglect, but about priorities.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I understand there are many competing needs and limited resources, but timely repair is far more cost-effective. 568
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Every year it's delayed, it becomes more expensive and more disruptive.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's also an equity issue. Residential streets deserve the same attention and care as main roads. If people live on this street pay taxes, raise families, and contribute to the community, they deserve to feel safe pulling out of their driveways, driving, cycling, and walking on Strout Street. 570
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We are not asking for something extravagant, we are asking for something fundamental, a road that is safe, functional, maintained, that we 571
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: with the same care inspect of all public infrastructure. Okay, you have about 15 seconds. To prioritize the street, Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your time and commitment to the community.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I will go back out to Zoom. Oliver, can you unmute yourself, please? 574
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Oliver: Yep, unmuted.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. Can you see the timer? 576
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Oliver: I can, yeah, yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead, please.
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Oliver: Yeah, just a very quick point. The last gentleman that spoke, again, this is a fundamental problem with the city's infrastructure, with the underground plumbing, you know, the sewer and water supply and so on, and of course the road surface over the top of that.
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Oliver: Compounded by the fact that we are having more and more ADUs being squeezed in,
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Oliver: Which is kind ofa recipe for disaster, because Stroud… I know Stroud very well, it's around the corner from where I live.
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Oliver: This is… this is avery intractable problem, because as we overload the roads with more and more people living in ADUs with cars and so on, that's going to damage the road surface, which then damages the infrastructure underneath. 582
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Oliver: So, the ramifications of the ADU policy, I really think, needs to be revisited very, very carefully. Otherwise this is going to get worse and worse. That was my point, thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Oliver, for your public comment. Next, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Mayor McLewis, members of the City Council, my name is Nicholas Tognazi, I'm a resident.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: of Sevastopol, and have lived at 7223 Strout Street for 10 years.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Our little street is often used as a bypass. 587
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For people who are in a hurry to leave the main thoroughfares through town.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The increased trafficon Strout Street has highlighted the need for rebuilding the roadway.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The city has repaired this roadway each year for at least the last 10 years.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Repeated patching this roadway is to the point where you can no longer recognize the original surface. 591
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Rebuilding this roadway isn't overkill. 592
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Patching only treats the symptoms. 593
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: A full rebuild restores structural integrity, making the roadway safer and more reliable for everybody.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I appreciate your attention to this subject. Thank you very much.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on this item, please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing then, I will come back into chambers. If there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment, please? 597
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hello, my name is Joan Chuan, and my husband and I own a house at 7231 Strout Street.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And lived there for many years, since 2004. And I just wanted to add my voice to my neighbors, and encourage you guys to approve funding for the repaving. I agreethat it…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to the previous speaker that Strout Street, even though it's just one block long, and a number of you had never heard of it before, it actually gets quite a lot of use. It, as others have said, it's right there next to Safeway and what used to be
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Rite Aid and, the library, it's, it's right near downtown, and, it does get a lot of use, and…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: as a cyclist myself, as well as a car driver, it really is hazardous for cyclists as well as motor vehicles. So, thank you for your consideration. 602
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Jen, for your public comment. Next, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom, please raise your hand virtually if you'd like to make a public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers. If there'sanyonein chamber…you'vealreadymadea publiccomment. 604
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No, sorry. Is there's anyone who has not made a public comment and would like to make a public comment on this item? 605
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I havethe gentleman… Okay, you can… 606
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Please go ahead and go up to the podium. 607
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hi, good evening. My name is Lil Fishman, and I live at the corner of Western Avenue and South Street. My husband and I and our family, we've lived there for, just, like, 16 years now, and over this time, we've watched the continual,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: breakdown of our streets, and it's really sad. And one of the things that's so frustrating living on that corner is every Tuesday morning, because every Tuesday morning is the street sweeper.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I just want to encourage you to do some analysis of that, and either they come up with some device Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that ismore effective, or that you just stop the service altogether. It… if we wash our windows on our home, or on ourcar, or we clean our cars, it lasts about one day.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, as you all know, we wash your windows, that's an expense.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That…that is,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: inevitable. So, anyway, I just wanted to encourage you to look at these funds that are putting
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to Redwood ecology, and… 615
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: put it toward the costs of redoing the streets instead. We don't need the street sweeper. There's perhaps public employees or people that need jobs in the community that could hand-sweep the 616
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't know, just an idea, but I just wanted to make sure I called it to your attention that it is equally, you know, well, not quite equally, but it too is a big problem.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: on our street.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Clouds of dust, drooling down every… every Tuesday, it's like, ugh! And it's…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Ridiculously loud. So, anyway, thank you very much for coming, and thanks for your attention.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment, please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers. If there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment on this item, please come up to the podium.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good evening, my name is Drake Sadler. 623
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you to the Council for recognizing the Indigenous people.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Who lived here before us. 625
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So I just want to begin by acknowledging the Council for that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Ithinkclearly, city staff and residents have demonstrated that there's a need for repair to the deplorable condition that exists on Stroud Street.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It has become a very busy thoroughfare. 628
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Just really in the last, probably, half decade. 629
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Mainly because of allthe traffic now on116 and Highway 12.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So it's become a greater problem. I would ask the Council not to table this motion as was suggested earlier, but rather to accept the recommendation of staff this evening, and to move forward withthis project. 631
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: On behalf of all the residents here who have expressed their opinion.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, thank you very much for your time. We all recognize that this is not
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: an easy task. City has limited resources, but we do appreciate your attention to these matters. Thank you. 634
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Jake, for your public comment. Next, I'll go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment, to please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment on this item. 636
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So you're known public comment is closed on this item.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: All right, thank you. If anyone sees a bug land on my head, please let me know. If I could clarify one item before you guys go back into discussion? Sure. We're in the process of our CIP budgeting right now, so the intent, and I'm sorry if it was confusing, of including all these other streets is to say that we want to do those two. They would be
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the next project as soon as we're into our next fiscal year and our CIP is improved. So, we're hoping to do 639
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: all of these streets this calendar year. It's just which part will be in this first package, and then, you know, funding limit… limiting, or funding willing, how many we could do next year in September. 640
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, I recognize everyone has comments, and I just have a quick question, and I think it might take a moment to answer it, so I'm just gonna throw it out there, and then we can finish our… 641
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I was just wondering if… I should have asked this previously, where we're at with the spending, you know, as part of my 642
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: my…my yes vote for the Measure U was contingent on us spend, you know, the Council agreeing to spend 40% on infrastructure when, you know, back in 2024.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: whereare we… what percentage are we at with that?I just wanted… I've just started thinking about that as wewere going along. Does any… I just want to throw that out there while we do our comments and stuff, and if someone could let us know, where we're at with that. That's why I'm just jumping in here with that question, because I should have asked it earlier.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, okay, go ahead. 645
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I mean, I think part of my frustration and comments earlier were because it's rare that we get so many people from the public, and I feel bad, because this… this… this all I'm not okay with, because I don't feellike we have a scientific,like,planandanalysis,so,like.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: if we were to vote for this, we'd be able to explain this to anyone who did not have the ability to make it here tonight. I'm not in favor of having it be whoever can showup in a room, because there's a lot of… 647
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: reasons in an elder community that people are not going to be able to submit public comment, either email or in public. I want a scientific method. So what I did hear from the one gentleman is.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I… I want… there to bea scientific basis. Is it PCI? 649
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm thinking it should be PCI, but I'm hearing from staff that it's a balancing test, too. Well, I'm not understanding the factors ofthe balancing test, so I'm not in favor of moving ahead. What I am in favor of is helping these people get their needs met by having it come back in a month.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: With staff being able to cite to a scientific analysis, so that everyone in the community that, again, does not have the ability to come here can understand why we
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: voted to spend money on one street or two streets, because right now, this does not make any sense to me. So, I just want to put that out there. I'm not voting for this.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: tonight. I'm voting for a continuation for 653
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: a thorough analysis that everyone in the public can understand, so those are my thoughts.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead, Vice Mayor. 655
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I want to thank all the residents for showing up, because this is how we get things done, is that people show up and they talk to us, and so you're helping us to identify where the problems are. And so I appreciate you all for showing up.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: My hope is that we could get all these streets done within the year, as our Public Works Director just indicated that would be likely. Last year, we budgeted a million dollars for half a million for potholes, half a million for repaving. 657
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so, likely, we'll be able to do the same for next year. So my hope is that we could pick
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the three streets now, and then do the other ones, you know, right away in July when the budget is approved. The budget 659
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I mean, we could do this right, and we could just agree with that, that weare allocate… we already agreed to it, that we are allocating, so much towards roads. This is something we agreed several years ago. So, 660
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Anyway, those are just my thoughts. 661
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would be willing to move forward on Strout Street tonight.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm not willing to move forward on Palm. I didn't vote for it the last time it came before us, and I don't think it's a priority street. 663
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I drive it every single day. I go across, but I actually know a formercouncilmemberwhogoesup and around instead of dodgingthrough traffic, which many people do do. This morning when I went to work and I dodged across, somebody right
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Went around. So, for me, that's not a vital street.
That's a shortcut that we have… people have another option. So. 665
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I've…can't allocate $225,000 and make it a priority when Strout
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: per you, sorry, I didn't remember… I don't know all the street names exactly where they are, but now I know where it is, is obviously… Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: sounds like the worst street. I want to move forward on the worst streets, and then it sounds like we really need to look at these other streets and have some advisement. But Palm was brought up and got on this list by a council member mentioning it, but it isn't a priority street for me, but I'd be willing to move forward on Strout tonight.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, I'd like to do my… I havea questionvery quickly. For Eastside and South, how does that… because they're connected. I've walked all ofthem, so… no, no,we can't have the… sorry, I'm asking city staff, sorry. Wecan't have…wecan'thavethisparticipation.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes,that's correct. There's… it's like a horseshoe. There's south, and then there's east side and western. Yeah, so if you're choosing one, I mean, how doyou choose where it ends, and…It's a little tricky to say. Iwas just curious, because I've walked them all, sothat's why I was like, how does this, like… I believe in our pavement system, where… I'm gonna forget thename ofthe tree, but where it comes into perpendicular to south, that's where south starts, and then it carries to where the 670
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: bend is to go around to Eastern. Got it, okay, so… 671
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I just wanted my own comments here. I have walked all of them, and I remember even when I was running, walking on Eastside, thinking, oh my goodness, it's like a cow path.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There's, like, so much gravel and dirt. Personally, I would like to see us moving forward with the recommendations, of the, of the, 673
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Strout and Palm, and I am the one who's brought up Palm. I've brought it up since I got elected. I see people going left to center every day.
Every day, someone's…and I would like to see a balance of residentialand then our most used streets that everybody is using. And I personally believe that I… I mean, I see people… I live just down the street.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: from Palm, and I see people every day in the morning going left to center, left to center, left to center, and the resident who lives there, it looks a littlebetter because he actually purchases asphalt himself and fills those holes.
I've seen him do it time and time again.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, he's actually spendinghis own money to fix our roads. So, I personally
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: tonight would like to advocate for, for Stroud, for just that little section of Palm, and then the east side area, and just because of just 677
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: my own experience, and that's what I was trying to figure out, like, what does this mean by, like, both east side or south, or… I think I'd like to find out from Oriana, as faras east side or south, which one did yousayis… 678
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think they seem like this. 679
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So one is 8, and one is 6. Yeah, and that PCI rating is a bit subjective. It's done by the… depends on the person who comes to see it. I mean, it's not so subjective that it's actually an 18, but they're essentially the same. 680
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And the length of them? 681
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would have to get back to you with that. Okay, well, that's where I'm at tonight, so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember… I mean, Vice Mayor had her hand up. Thank you. I support redoing Strout Street, because I've seen it, and it's really quite a mess.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And, we've had a letter from all the residents, 684
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I know Palm Street actually was supported, not just by our mayor, but there were a lot of people who asked for Palm Street to be redone, and that was not…that wasn't recently, but it was within the last two years. We've heard from a lot of people who wanted Palm Street, so I would support that. 685
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: it seems to me that south… since south and east side are connected, that that should be done at the same time, rather than doing those separately. I mean, it would make sense, right? You've got your equipment and all that, so… 686
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Couldyou… is it possible to do Strout, Palm, and South and Eastside at the same time?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Could we combine south and east side? That's what I'm asking, yeah, as one street.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: it's probably over our current CIP budget for a 25-
26. What wecould lookto do, if you… if theCouncil wanted to packagea larger bunch of streets, is to
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: spend more of our 25-26 money doing a design for, say, 5 streets, and since some of that, 25-26 money is already gonna get pushed forward into next year's CIP budget, we could then do them as a larger construction project.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: If that makes sense, that makes sense to you, to do it that way?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'd like to see all these streets done. 692
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, if we could get some started now, and then, 693
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then get the rest started in July when we approve the budget.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, go ahead.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So you said that, that Eastside and Southside were kind of connected to
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Strout Street. Like, it's a horseshoe. Is that… I understand that? No. No, Eastside and Strout are parallel side. Oh, parallel. They're above High Street. Strout is nowhere near South. Oh, okay. Okay. South is over by, but they're all on that side of…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the city. It's over by High Street on the other side of town. It parallels High Street. I gotta haveamap in… I gotta have amap in front of me, but okay, that was my question.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Alright.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Did anyone… was that enough time to find the question as…the answer to the spending?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And how much we're spending on infrastructure. 702
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Let me just share this, Measure U overview. It'll probably give a bigger, a better picture for you to, see.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Just give me a second. 704
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I just think it's important for people to understand we went out for that half-cent tax, and where we're at with that, and 705
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Since I was…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, this is the, Measure U overview. So, on the left-hand side, you have all the
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: The actual revenue for, 24-25, and then 25-26 being projected, and then 26-27.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And 40% of the policy, those are the number based on those projected and actual revenues. In FY25-26, the Council allocated $800,000, and as you can see, that $800,000 is being
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Pay for by these projects. 710
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Inthe…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: kind of rose color, those projects not going to be finished byJuneof 2026.Theyarebeingcarried forward into26-27. 712
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So in, in those,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: There are 550,000 in city-wide pavement. 714
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For digs out and repairs and improvement, together.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And there are the other projects. And for 26-27, since some of those in 25-26 be carry over, so as far as answering the mayor's question, your policy is intact as far as the 40% of,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: measure U revenue going toward street. 717
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay,thank you. Sorry, I… 718
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Just…just wanted to make sure we were abiding by the policy I fought so hard for.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to spend on infrastructure. So, is… are there any other questions or comments? I'm sorry, comments, not questions? Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead. I just… I'm not sure about this idea of having a study, because it seems to me that the roads have already been evaluated, so I'm wondering if Councilmember Zolman would like to explain that a little bit. I didn't say a study, I said an analysis.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Reading this, I would not be able to walk out and justify a vote.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: For all these people here, they all came here tonight to talk about the fact that their street is the worst. 723
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't have an analysis. Again, what I heard was we're not just doing PCI, which to me makes no sense at all. 724
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I heard that you also have to have a balancing. In my mind, when you apply a balancing test, you apply factors.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You just don't list one of the factors of, like, how many people from the public wrote an email.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right? Because not everybody here in this city, that's the third eldest city in the county, has the ability to take time to type an email, much less come in here.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It…I don't have enough basis to justify expending this large amount of money with no analysis. I'm not talking about a study. I know the overall condition.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right? I just am missing the analysis, is what I'm trying to argue.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And so we're… whenwe come back with the project that's in 26-27, that's what I'm trying to package together. So there's been an analysis, which is the City's pavement Management Plan. So that recommends the surface-level treatments on streets that have a mid-level PCI, and that's kind of the industry standard that the
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Municipal Transportation Commission recommends to extend your pavement life, and that's what you'll often get federal grant money for. So when I say there's a balance, I'msaying that we want to, like… we do need to maintain our medium PCI streets, and we also want to, you know, use our Measure U money, which we would…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: have full jurisdiction over how we spend on the really bad PCI streets. I fully appreciate that. I just need an objective standard. 732
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I'm not…yeah, exactly. That's what I understand. Objective standard is a PCI.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: doing anything beyond a PCI, 734
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That's where it's all getting very murky to me, and I'm not alright with it. So those are my thoughts on how I'll vote tonight. And so, what we're looking for a recommendation tonight is for the low PCI streets. Anything under 10 is a complete rebuild. It's bad. Okay, so following that logic, then how many streets can we get for the chunk of money that we have at our disposal for this time period? Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is it 3? And if so, list the 3 worst PCIs so that everyone here
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And people watching the recording can understand how we went through this analysis.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, we… I can pull up… I'm working on pulling up what the actual PCI is, if we're only looking at PCI, and we're not looking at other neighborhood concerns, or, like, Palm Avenue with just a thoroughfare. Councilmember Hinton had a…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: comment? Yeah, I mean, I already said I'm willing to support Stroud. It's been named the worst street in town, but 739
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Palm is not, and by the standard, that would be the worst PCI. I can't justify authorizing
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: $225,000 for Palm when it's not the worst street.
When it's not, we're not going down. And there's an alternative right one little block around, if you don't like how bad that street is, that you can drive on the good street just a little bit further. So.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm not supporting Palm tonight. I might be convinced to support Stroud based on PCI.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then get a recommendation for what other streets that we should be creating a plan for. But because people mentioned it two years ago, and one of my colleagues brought it up, it's not reason enough for me to support a spending allowance of $225,000 for that street.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And because I am the one who brings it up all the time.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It is a street that all of our, you know, it is traversed every day. It's a reflection of who we are, in mymind. It is a bad street where everyone goes Agenda Item Number 2
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left to center, and it's a street that is used consistently to cut across between Petaluma and Maine, and all of our
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: visitors to this city, that's oneof the first things they encounter when they come in, is… is that street. So, in my mind, I just think that we need tohavea balancebetween residentialand then themain…mainused areas. I know Fannin is also bad. Imean, I've been on all these streets, and so whenwe talk about… I… I do believe in data and, you know, being objective in what we're doing, but it's also looking at
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Finding that balance between all of our streets that need fixed, because let's be frank.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I mean, these streets have been neglected for years. I've only…this is only my fourth year onthe council, and I wasthe no vote for the measure U until I could get my colleagues here to agree to a 40% spend of that tax measure on infrastructure, because it was ignored for so long. That's why I'm sitting here, because I was so frustrated with how things were being neglected. So that's why, you know, I mean, I just… I want to find that balance.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: go ahead.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Ithinkthe difference we're talking about here, I mean, hopefully, is a matter of 6 months between
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Doing all of these streets. 751
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: our Public Works Director said she'd hoped to get… we could get them all donethis year, within the year. So,you'd have a first batch, and then you'd have a second batch.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: SoI'm willing to gowith what staff is recommending, which is drought.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Palm and Fannin, but I don't think I have the votes here.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, we have… I think wehave the votes for Strout, and… I could be on board with Fannin, if you wanna… I just really can't, unless it's, like, somebody says it, like the street and the PCI number.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Andy.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we have Table 2. Are we talking about, like, Table 2 for the amount of money that we're talking about tonight? 757
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't know…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm losing the context here. Like, I just want to know the worst traits by PCI, and how much staff thinks we can take a chunk out of with the money we have for tonight to talk about.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So the PCI for Strout is 3. Okay. That could be a recommendation to go forward tonight based upon the PCI. Okay. If we're going to review the other streets based on PCI, I would recommend that coming back.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.Because we don't havethat full… I don't have that full list of the streets with all the PCIs. Okay. We do know what the PCI is for Strout.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we do… that is one of our recommendations. Okay, then that's fine. I'm fine withmaking a motion to just do Stroudbased upon staff's recommendation that it's a 3, bringing all the rest of this back for the same analysis in a month, to take the gentleman's suggestion earlier. And I'll second that. 762
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No way.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I just want to make a comment about that. 764
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I don't want to delay these roads. We hear how terrible these roads are, and we're going to delay it for another 2 weeks or a month. I just don't think that's a good idea. I'd rather just pick 3 streets.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then do that this year, and do the rest starting in July 2020.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Step 6. I agree, and I also think that if we're gonna change the criteria, how we're doing that, we should have done that ahead of time, and asked the staff what those were before we got here to the dais, and everybodycame here tonight to advocate, and we don't… didn't ask the right questions before we got here. 767
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That's my thought. 768
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But we have a motion on thefloor, so… Well, we can bring it back. Can I just ask staff a questionreal quick? Do you mind? 769
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, ifwe brought back it… soif we brought back the streets, so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I… am I hearing palms not supported? I support it. I support it. So there's two…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Howfast would we be able to bring that as the… 772
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the recommendation. If we only do Strout tonight, what streets could we bring back on the next council meeting? 773
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we can bring back a full analysis with the PCI. It's what I'm working into what I'm hoping will be our multi-year payment plan. I just didn't have that analysis tonight, because I thought we were focusing on palm and Strout, so we can do it in May 5th.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So I just want to say, knowing how busy our agenda is, this becomes an issue. It's just going to logjam it again, because we… we have a super busy agenda over the next couple. Go ahead, Vice Mayor. Yeah, I'm a little confused, because we have the PCIs for all the streets. You've… you've named them all out. Strout, 3. Live Oak, 3.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Fannin, 4, Eastside 6, South 8, Palm 8, and Lighting 10.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, Imean, and I also… I've said this already, but we need to factor in how much a street is used. So, something like Palm is a cut-through, and people use that. I used to live over in that area, I know I used to use that. Other people in that area, they use that as a cut-through, so…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would really like to see us choose 3 streets. 778
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I'd like to consider south and east side as one street, because you're gonna dothe paving, you should do it allat the same time. So… and to me, it seems like
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you're talking about a PCI is a 0 to 100, so anything 10 and below is really bad.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And if we can get all these streets done within the year, just, you know, I know we don't have it budgeted for this year, but we do have some budget for this year, and then budget the rest for thebeginning of 2026… end of 2026. 781
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I can't support just moving forward with Strout.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I mean, I want to move forward with Strout, but I want to move forward with 3 streets.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I would not be supporting that motion. 784
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I'm… I have the same… I'm the same. Okay, so if you want to do 3, then if you're looking at Table 2, we have Strout, Mary has said, I'm basting it totally on her representation, because I don't see Strout listed, their PCI. Then we would do Live Oak, which is a 3, and we would do Fannin, which is a 4. 785
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I'm fine withthat. You want to do howmuch money
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That we have allocated for 3 streets to get this passed, to get this moving along, then that's my counter motion. 787
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead, Vice Mayor. Thank you, Councilmember Zolan, I appreciate that concession. However, our Public Works Director has said that Live Oak needs to be done next year for different reasons, I'm not sure why. So she was recommending
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So could we do Eastside and South as one? 789
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sprout and Fannin, and then do live oak next year, and would that be acceptable?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, where would Palm be in all of that? Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And why does everyone hate poem? 792
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I just don't understand it. It's like the main thoroughfare in our city, and I see people going left to center. I have neighbors contacting me consistently about, you know, elderly neighbors who are telling me how they can't ride their bike, there's no sidewalk there, there's no… there's… there's no means for them to actually gothrough, so I just don't understand this hate on Palm, but… 793
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So where does that leave us with Palm, then? 794
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I defer to the Council for the recommendation of which streets. These are all under 10 PCI streets, so they're all in bad shape. And they're a bit subjective, you said, with all these scores, so anything under 10 is bad? Correct. 795
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: To answer the question about Live Oak, the engineering and design for that particular street is going to be a little bit more expensive, so I'd have to go look at that cost, just because it doesn't have… it's not… Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: the right-of-way is not straight. There are places where it kind of goes up and down, and it's got a very steep entrance. And we're… can I just clarify? And we're looking at acertain amount of funds, so we're… it's apuzzle. We're trying to put… put this together to keep withinthe numbers that we have, and that's what the recommendation is for…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: for Palm and Stroud, and then one additional, because that fits withinthat puzzle piece of theamount of funding that we have, correct? Correct.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Because a budget's a budget. Correct. 799
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We gotta do something. I mean, I'm not okay with just sitting here, having everyone come here, and then say, well, let's talk about it later. 800
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm just trying to get to 3 streets, so if wecould… if we can get Council to agree.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: on Stroud, Eastside South, I'm making that one street, and then Fannin.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: for this year, and then next year would be Live Oak, Palm, and Lighting. Eastside and South are going to be two different streets for… I'm asking to merge those because they're connected. Just in terms of cost for the square footage, they'd be about the same cost as what we were looking at for Strout and Palm. 804
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oh, so they're the same… so they're about 500 just for that? Is that what you're saying? Just the square footage of the street, if I compare the engineer's estimates that I got for Palm and Strout to those different sized streets, south would be one, and east side would be one. So those would be two streets, so you could do east side, south.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: and Strout as a package for 3 streets. It would still fit within that puzzle of the budget, you're saying.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then… and then the recommendation fornext year would be…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Fannin, and I would like to look at Live Oak, but we'd have to come back with some engineering estimates for that. And then Palm, I'm not gonna let that go. And Palm.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I've been asking for this, you know, talking about this for 4 years. Go ahead. Well, I'm hoping we can get all the streets done. Do you think we can get all the streets done?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Eventually, yes, I'd like to get all the street stuff, but yeah, next year.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: My outstanding that I need to come back to you with is the design cost for lighting and live oak, just because they're a little more complicated, but my preliminary estimates say that we could get all of that package done within this fiscal year and next fiscalyear.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, do we have support for Stroud Eastside and South?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I justwant to make a quickcomment. The… 813
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: item before you is to contemplate Palm and Strout, and we didn't give public notice for the other streets. That was for consideration for the next fiscalyear.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sothat would… that was not contemplated by what was noticed for today. So this third item, which came up earlier, is really not part of this, and that's why I was asking earlier for someone to clarify what we were talking about in the beginning. So we've been talking about it all this time, and it's actually… should not have been
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, I mean, it's contemplated in the sense that it, for the next fiscal year, but in terms of approving for tonight for this fiscal year, that is not what was inthe staff report and what was noticed for today. Right. I'm just saying, I asked earlier, like, what exactly should we be talking about? And I was told.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Alright. Yeah, I thought we were being asked to pick a third street tonight. We were.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But we're being told that that's incorrect, we should not be doing that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would just expect someone to tell us that a half hour ago.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We can discuss the future priorities, but actually approvingtonightisnotwhatwasin thestaffreport. 821
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, so our choice is basically decide on palm and strout, And give direction on that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And then anything else is for future. 824
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Imean, I still made a second, unless… 825
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Zolman has, rescinded his… his first, because those are the items we can talk about, is drought.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: and Palm tonight, I'm still willing to move Strout forward, and thencome back on a PCI for additional streets. Yes, so I think… yes, thank you, Councilmember Hinton. So…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: or refreshing whatever it is that I put forth by way of the motion, so it was to approve Stroud based upon what we can vote on. So, and you seconded it so that, yes, we should probably move forward on a vote. 828
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And with direction for another agenda item for, I guess, these PCI items. Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I just… I just want to ask for clarity. 830
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: for future… you know, I knowearlier I read what we were being asked to do. It would just be good if we got the proper guidance in the beginning, so we didn't waste everyone's time talking about allthis stuff, thinking a decision could be made.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, and to clarify, I mean, the direction is to have a discussion about future street reconstruction, so it's all fruitful towards that end. In terms of deciding tonight about Palm Avenue and Strout Street, that's what's…what's Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Being considered, and then adding on other streets to be approved tonight is not.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Did you want to… Sothe motion is just to support strout and not palm? Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, would you like me to call the motion? Yes. So, so moved by Councilmember Zollman and seconded by Councilmember Hinton to approve proceeding with the design and construction for the pavement Improvement Project for Strout Street. Councilmember Hinton? Aye. Councilmember Zolman? Yes. Vice Member Maurer?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, I'd just like to get something done. Mayor McLewis?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Dang it. Yes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Motion passes 4 to 1, with Councilmembers Hint and Zolman, Vice Mayor Maurer, Mayor McLewis in support, and Councilmember McCarter absent.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'll get there to all your streets. 839
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's the plan.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sorry. No, that's okay. I'll be bringing forth some more items.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'll get to sit here again and talk about it all over again. Does everyone want to have a bio break, or how are we doing? I just want to ask everyone. Thanks for everyone for coming. Yes, thank you. 842
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you so much.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Did you… I didn't… wasn't clear on my colleagues. Do you guys want to have… I'd rather power through it. 844
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Nisa? You're okay? Okay. Alright. Most confusing. 845
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Hey, Nick.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Good to see you. So we're gonna move on to item
12. 847
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oops.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We'regonna… Vice Mayor, Vice… Moving along to number 12. Do we want to take 5 minutes? Sure, we'll take 5 minutes. All right, let's do 5 minutes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We were, but he's… anyway, we weren't. We're the only one. That's nice. Yeah, she's a lot of husband. I stole the lesson, right? 851
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: A-I-S-H.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, I don't know. 853
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This isfor… I was about togiveadvice. She's our great writer. We haven't subscribed to this time.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Anyway, she has 4 kids, and her oldest is her boy.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I wasn't looking… 856
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Are we okay to start? I apologize, I didn't look at my watch when it… when I said 5minutes, so I…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I lost track of time. I think it's been 5 minutes.
Okay, I just didn't want to start too soon. So, okay. All right, so we are to item 12. 858
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Consideration of waiver for special event, Chamber of Commerce, Apple Blossom Festival. Fee waiver has been requested in the amount of $15,000. The responsible department is Public Works. 859
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. So, this item is to consider waiving up to $15,000 of cost for the Apple Blossom Festival that is this weekend. This was a request made by the Chamberof Commerce to waivestaff time for thepolice, public works, and material, as well as the special event fees.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's for your consideration, Dutton. 861
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oh, okay, that's it. 862
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Alright, does anyone have any questions? 863
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm not sure if I'm seeing it. Is this the same amount we waived last year?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That's what I was looking for. 866
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yes, it is.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead, Councilmember Zola. Councilmember Hinton's question made me think, too.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: In past years, we said if theymade a profit, I forgot the words, then they would actually give some of the money back. 869
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And each year, I think they say that they don't do it. But this year, are we gonna think about having that? Mariah did clarify that they had done it la… theyear we first talked about it. That's the year we were reallyin dire straits, and then…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Last year, it came into question, and then after she came up and said that they had given some monies back, I can't remember exactly, 871
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: What our agreement was, because of course, if it rains, they could lose money, but
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But yeah, I mean, we are… Still… 873
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: we have the sales tax now, but we're not in the best shape still, so I don't know if you guys want to go there, but I'd be willing to support this at their full ask this year. I do think it's the biggest thing that we do each year, and I feel very lucky that we have so many volunteers that participate. 874
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, just… I mean, I'llmakemore comments later, but… I had a question,and maybe I'm readingsomething wrong here. 875
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: On here, on the item here, it says $15,000, but on the staff report, it says $13,320. Am I…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So they've asked for up to $15,000, so our event fees are set, but there's an estimationof our staff timecosts, and the pricing inhere is based on what we think we're gonna spend, but it could be more than that. Okay, I just wanted to clarify sothat we know what…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So you're asking for $15,000 just to go up to that andgiveyou flexibility?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And one other question I have. We have the staff for that, is that correct?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That's correct.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: We do, okay. We do. So that won't be a problem? That is correct.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Did you have a question? Yeah, I have one more question, too. Kind of in the vein of our discussion last time, it looks like the application wascompleted backin January26,and we'rea weekfrom…well,thefestival'sthis weekend. I'm just curious why it's so late again on the agenda. 883
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: When the application was completed and submitted, it looks like all the dates are January 19th. 884
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I wasn't aware of it until the beginning of April, so I will take the blame for that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Did you say… I'm sorry, it washard to hear… you weren't… I wasn't aware of it untilthe beginning of April when I sawthe fee, or the request from theChamber ofCommercecome in to our office.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oh, okay, that's when they submitted it, okay. 887
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I just want to clarify for that. So, even though they submitted an application, the request for the waiver may not have come in until 889
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: yesterday. I mean, they can…we can put the application and process it, but as the request for the waiver, the fees would come in at a later time, so it could come in months after the application comes in. Okay. 890
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And to clarify, this was not run by the Budget Committee. We had a committee meeting this Monday, I guess, and it was canceled, so it did not get heard by the Budget Committee.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Any other questions? Okay, then let's go out for public comment. So, this is public comment for the request for a waiver of fees from the Chamber of Commerce from the Apple Blossom Festival. It is a two-minute public comment. I willcome into chambers first, andthen go out to Zoom. Seeing none in chambers, Kyle, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Kyle Falbo: Yes, I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, can you see the timer? 895
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Kyle Falbo: No, you can let me know.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, go ahead, please. 897
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Kyle Falbo: So I want to be clear, this is not an argument against Apple Blossom. The report makes a strong case, it's a value, long-standing event tied to basketball's identity and local economy, and I agree with that.
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Kyle Falbo: The concern is the structure of city support, especially when it comes to police services.
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Kyle Falbo: City has already suspended its prior fee waiver, sponsorship, and community benefit grant policies, yet it continues to receive requests for support. This is exactly why the Council should be careful not to create a default expectation that the General Fund will absorb the operational costs of major events year after year. 900
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Kyle Falbo: In my view, event organizers should be expected to do everything reasonably possible to reduce the need for city police services.
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Kyle Falbo: This item's attachments already show that the City's event process assumes applicants are responsible for municipal services and for reimbursing the City for damage or event-related costs. The permit materials also expressly allow the City to require police, fire,orpublicworksemployeesattheapplicant'sexpensewhen needed fora particular activity. This is important in principle, and I believe the Council should preserve it. 902
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Kyle Falbo: Most events can and should provide much more of their own operational supportthrough planning,volunteers,privatestaffing,trained marshals,internal communications, and private security where appropriate. 903
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Kyle Falbo: Police should not become the default staffingmodel for community festivals. Police services should be limited to the functions that our onlysworn officers can perform, such as managing the public right-of-way, traffic control where legally required, emergency response, and law enforcement functions that cannot be delegated. If those services are truly necessary, then the organizer should be required to pay for them. 904
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Kyle Falbo: especially important whenthe staff report itself distinguishes between the direct permit fee waiver and the much larger request for city operational support. 905
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 15 seconds.
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Kyle Falbo: It's only about $2,000 for adirect free waiver, while the rest reflects staff time and materials. It's also stating that waiving these charges reduces the city ability to recover costs. Again.
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Kyle Falbo: It's… if you look at the lion's share of thesecosts. 908
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Pilot, that's 2 minutes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers. Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. Michael, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Michael Carnacchi: I am unmuted, so… Yeah, so this is, 911
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Michael Carnacchi: very light-hearted, but I think that rather than having police services. 912
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Michael Carnacchi: do the security at, the fair. Maybe they could use live cows? 913
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MichaelCarnacchi:Thatway,Itwould beSebastopol'swayof beefingup security. 914
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Michael Carnacchi: Get it?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, thank you. 916
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Michael Carnacchi: It's a joke. Okay, anyways, lighthearted. Bye! 917
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Michael, for your public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Mariah, can you unmute yourself, please? 919
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: Yes, are you there?
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: Yes, I can. So a few things. First, I couldn't help but hear the earlier comment about
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: what's sexy and what's not, and I will say this, Apple Blossom may bethe fun… the fun part, the bigevent, but it's also a part ofthe engine. 923
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: The people who come for the festival drive on the roads, they shop inthestores, they contribute to the revenue that helps fix those potholes. So, that's just directly addressing the comment, I think, that Kyle made. 924
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Myriah VolkChamber of Commerce: And…
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: I had prepared a statement earlier, I'll just read it real quick on behalf of the Chamber. Thank you for considering the waiver of police and public works fees for the Apple Blossom Festival and Parade.
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: This is the 80th annual Sebastopol's longest-standing event and a cornerstone of the community. It has outlasted economic cycles, leadership changes, and shifting priorities, because it represents something bigger than any one moment. It represents Sebastopol.
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Myriah VolkChamber of Commerce: Since thecity's fiscal crisis in 2022, your support through these waivers has been essential. Apple Blossom is the Chamber's only annual fundraiser, and it sustains our organization and the visitor center year-round. This is work that directly supports the economic vitality of the town. 928
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: Events like this don't continue by accident. Think about the Rose Parade. They continue because they're supported and prioritized. And when support waivers, so does the future of traditions like this, and they're so important. 929
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: We ask for your continued partnership tonight, not just for this year, but for what this event represents long-term for Sebastopol. And if I have another moment, I'd like to address Mr. Zolman's comments about us not paying the money back. He voted against support for Apple Blossom last year based on the fact 930
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: That he believed we didn't pay the money back, and we paid it back.
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: So I just would like to. 932
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Mario, you have about 10 seconds. 933
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: Nope, that's all I need to say. Thank you very much. I appreciate your support.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you for your public comment. Next, I'll come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment, please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, public comment is closed on this item.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I havea question, but… Go ahead. 938
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oh, go ahead. I just have a question on Mariah, whenever.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Well, I wanted to make two comments. I wanted, as I just heard about, the fee for police, I just wanted to, remind 940
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: folks that lived here in 2018 that we really needed our police support. My son grew up here, and his classmates, there was a stabbing and a shooting that year after Apple Blossom, which was an extremely sad situation, andso… 941
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you never know, with a big festival, a lot of people coming together, what's gonna happen, so I just wanted to address that. Sometimes I think Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: with about, I believe, $80,000 city money for the work they do around city events. And so, for me to support this. 943
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: When so many people in our community, love the event, volunteer for the event, with fee waivers of up to $15,000. 944
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I think is a small price to pay for the Chamber holding this big community event, and organizing it for us. So, I'm obviously gonna be in support and appreciate everything that,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That this event brings to the community. 946
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: I'm here.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I was just wondering, just from, I'm… I'm… 949
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm just thinking about how much work it is in order to get sponsors and everything, and I'm all saying this because I actually have my largest event of the year as a non-profit tomorrow, and allthe… 950
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: work I've had to do to get sponsors, and mine's in Marin, and getting Marin to support us, Mill Valley. So I'm just wondering, Mariah, I think for some people, you know, like this time of year, especially now with how things are, it's very hard for nonprofits to fund things. I just thoughtyou might want to share the different sponsors that you have or haven't been able to get, just for context for people to, you know. 951
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: Yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It's important for the city to support. I'm just trying to give you the opportunity to help people understand.
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: Yeah, thank you, Jill, for acknowledging that, and there are so many businesses that have stepped up to help us. This will be the second year that Weeks Drilling and Pump is a stage sponsor.
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Myriah VolkChamberof Commerce:Which isa significantsponsorship.TheBarlow willbe in year3ofbeingapremiersponsor.SebastopolHardware,wehavetheFairfield Inn. 955
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Myriah VolkChamber of Commerce: You know, there's…
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Myriah VolkChamber of Commerce: I could goon, but we definitely… reaching out for sponsorships is challenging, because we know that the businesses are challenged at the moment, so when theydo, you know, make the effort to support us and 957
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: you know, to me, that just shows that they really see the value of this festival. It's not just about theweekend of, it's about how it reallydefines this town, and I think about 80 years
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: And it's way before I was ever here or alive, and you guys too, and it's gonna be here long after us. So, while I'm here inthis community, this is… I've been given the honor of having the job to support this festival, and 959
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Myriah VolkChamber of Commerce: I… I'll domy best and continue to ask the community to step up, and thecityas well, so…
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: I kind of went above and beyond that question, but, did I answer it, Jill?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you.
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, thank you so much, Mariah, and to the Chamber for, for doing this for our city, and I support the request for a waiver, and I'd like to make a motion that we approve the waiver
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: of thespecial event permit fees, city staff time and material for the Apple Blossom Festival and Parade. 966
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: in the amount of $15,000. And if I could, before there is actually a second, is there interest to actually have the same provision, that if there's a profit,that some part of that will be sent back to thecity? We still are under a fiscal state of…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: emergency, so is there interest in having that be part of the stream? I'm supportive of that, and if there is, then, yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, then I'll second that, unless Councilmember Hinton was going to second. Well, I didn't make that part of the motion, so I guess I'd… I don't know. I'd like to have a little bit more discussion about that, because… 969
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: this isa fundraiser for theChamber, so… 970
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Do we not remember the details from before? 971
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm a little fruit. 973
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Myriah VolkChamber of Commerce: I, I can tell you…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Mariah, I was gonna say, Mariah, you can probably…
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: Yeah, I don't have the exact amount, but the deal was we would pay back the materials cost.
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Myriah VolkChamber of Commerce: And we got a… an invoice from Public Workson what those materialscost, and so it wasn't thelabor, it was materials. So…and… and yeah, if that is the agreement,we will commit to it and follow through. I would… I would love it if the supportwas100%,and…
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: And we didn't have to pay it back, to be honest with you. I mean, keep in mind that
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Myriah VolkChamber of Commerce: The otherthree events that we…major events we plan, the tree lighting, the community awards, the movie nights, these are all free to the community, and these are things we spend time on, so any income we make from this festival, if we can hold onto it, it's really helpful for all of the other events throughout the year,so…
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Myriah Volk Chamber of Commerce: There's that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Can I ask, what is the material cost? $2,800. Did I miss it? I'm sorry, I waslooking at the stuff. That's what's in that division. 981
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: 28, 28, 55, 34.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Got it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Sorry, I was… I'd like to… Imean, we're four… four people here, so if we don't have three in agreement, then it doesn't go forward, so I'm wondering where… soCouncilmember Zollman made a proposal that he'd like to recoup some of the money, and the mayor agreed
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'll second Councilmember Maurer's proposal, which is to approve up to the $15,000 in fees without the repayment plan. I feel comfortable, as they do hold two other events that are open to the public.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And they don't ask us necessarily for subsidies on those, so I'm willing to second Councilmember Maurer's, or Vice Mayor Maurer's proposal. 986
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Further discussion, or I will call the motion? 987
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: This isa struggle, because we are still in a fiscal emergency, and we're not, you know, we'renot…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: it's such a struggle for me, because I run a nonprofit, so I understand how challenging it is. 989
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But atthe same time, it's… we're also tasked with balancing, for ourcitizens, and we just said wecouldn't afford to fix roads and infrastructure, so personally, I see this as a compromise, requesting the $2,800 right now, so personally, I'm…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I would prefer to, I'm not gonna vote for just… for 100%, but forthe materials fee, like we did last time, so… 991
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, in the interest of getting something passed. 992
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I will amend my motion to include, if… if the Chamber is able to,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: refund the city the $28.5534 in materials and rentals, then, they could do that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Is that acceptable Yeah, okay, then that needs to be seconded.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: A second. Sure, I'll go ahead and second it. Go ahead.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So I just want to make sure I'm clear. So we had the first motion, so thefirst motion was to approve the $15,000, not toexceed with no thanks… with no, repayment. I've amended that. Right, but the secondwas Councilmember Hinton, who had
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you would…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, that's what I just wanted to make sure. If you would have withdrawn your second. That's what I was asking for, thank you. 999
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, so moved by Vice Mayor Maurer, and seconded by Councilmember Zolman.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to approve the waiver of special event permit fees for city staff time and material for the Apple Blossom Festival andParade in the amount not to exceed $15,000, with to include the Chamber to refund the materials fees for up to $28.55.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Hinton? 1002
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Bye.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Councilmember Zolman? Yes. Vice Mayor Maurer? Yes. Mayor McLewis? Yes. Motion passes 4-1, with Councilmembers Hinton, Zolman, Vice Mayor Maurer, Mayor McLewis in support, and Councilmember McCarter absent.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: All right, thank you very much. So we'll move on to item number 13. Oh, and thank you, Mariah. Number 13, consideration of approval of resolution, waiving Budget Committee review for special event permit fee waivers of $1,500.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Inclusive of the 1,000 deposit or less. This was brought, forth by Councilmember Hinton and myself, and Public Works as the responsible department.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, I don't know who wants to go first. Go ahead and take it. So, as noted, this is brought forward from Councilmember Hinton and Mayor McLewis. I want to clarify that the agenda item should read the $2,000 or less, not $1,500, which is what,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: was brought forward, so it is…the recommendation is to waive any permit application from a non-profitorganization,of $2,000 or less for permit fees. That does not include the refundable deposits. 1008
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, those items would not go to the Budget Committee for review. Those items would come straight to the City Council for discussion and consideration. So that is the item before the City Council tonight to discuss whether or not, the special event permit fees, if theyrangeup to… if they go up to$2,000, 1009
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: They would still be required to do the refundable deposits, but then they would come straight to City Council and not to a Budget Review Committee meeting.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see who had their hand up first, sothe two of you can…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I just wanted to ask the movers, so, was the whole idea of bringing this forth just because we wanted to make sure that we did something with approving it or not approving it before the event?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Because personally, I like having the budget committee and a policy of any expenditure of city dollars. 1014
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: a dollar or more, always going through the budget hearing, budget process and trusting thetwo…my twocolleagues, to sort it all out. I don't know why we're carving this out. If… if it is just the timing, then I'm notentirely sure that over… that outweighs, the importance ofhaving the budget committee 1015
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Consider all expenditures.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Teacher running?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: SoI brought it forth because, A, it saves staff time. 1018
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: it expedites the situation. It's such a small drop in the bucket of the non-profits that make requests of under $2,000 or less with 1019
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: our multi-million dollar budgets. I just don't see why we have to go through that extra step of the budget committee, which we never used to, and it just seems like we can avoid
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: a lot of red tape by just bringing it straight, to Council and adding it to the agenda. I also… weput in there that they would still… the nonprofit would still have to put a $1,000 deposit on file in case therewas damage done. 1021
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I do recall when my son played Little League, there was damage done to the fields at an Apple Blossom Festival, and so people still have to put that deposit down in case there's damage.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So that's part of this agenda item, to protect us and protect our… our infrastructure and replacement, if needed. And it's very specific to thenonprofits,right?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Yeah, and in my mind, the reason I, seconded it or whatever, you know, and bring it forth was just trying to remove some of the red tape bureaucracy of approving things after the fact. People are doing the events, but yet we're, you know.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: log jammingthings and not… you know, I mean, we were approving Kiwanis after the event hadeven happened, so it was just a… in my mind, just an attempt to…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: reduce the bureaucracy that so many people despise government for. And also, in looking at the amounts, when you look in here at the spreadsheet, you know, the amount of, items that…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that are impacted, I mean, it just… 1027
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It just made sense to me as well, so go ahead, Vice Mayor.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I justwant… we're still in questions, right? Yeah, okay. My question is to the City Manager. This was brought up at the last council meeting, or the
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: two, prior council meetings, because the Kiwanis egg hunt had already happened.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And they were getting, then, a refund. So my question is, would thishave…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: if we had this policy in place, would that have changed the timing on whether or not the Kiwanis Club would have had to even apply? Do you know what I'm saying? Would they have to… would they have paid and then had toreply for a refund if this hadn't gone to the Budget Committee, or not? 1032
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, there… sorry. The timing is really dependent on when they submit the application, and then when they submit the waiver. As we just saw with Apple Blossom, the application was submitted in January, but the waiver request didn't come in until much later.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, what this is stating is that anything under, you know, significant commit… an amount.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center:comes to council, it… it's not really the timing as far as, like, when they…they pay for it. Some ofthem don't pay, andthen they… 1035
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, get that we waived it until such time that the council made a decision, and then wemade them pay. Kiwanis was one of those… or, I'm sorry, Kiwanis paid very, like, right before the event, and then we refunded them, so it's a mixed bag when they come in.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Do Ithink that it would… the timingchanges? It streamlines it. It brings it right, you know, to the Council without the Budget Committee looking at it for the amount.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But it's up to the council whether or not they want, you know, to go with the $2,000.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But I don't think it's the timing, because there's certain events that also come in a month before an event, as well. 1039
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: It looks like most ofthe requests are… Under that amount.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Right,most… most of them…the highest ones that have the permit fees is the Gravestein Apple Fair, or 1041
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Apple Blossom, the parade, the 3rd of July fireworks. Sothose arethe large, the large fees.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Any other questions? 1044
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, just to clarify, this just avoids it going to the Budget Committee. Everything still has always come to Council and would continue to come to Council. Just misses that step.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay. So, this is public comment for the consideration of any permit of 2000 and below, not to go to the Budget Committee and come directly to City Council. If you would like to make a public comment. Kyle, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Kyle Falbo: I think it's… it's funny to make reference to, we never used to do this. Agenda Item Number 2
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Kyle Falbo: When we also never used to do this, and we ended up going broke as a result of this kind of process of
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Kyle Falbo: constantly waiving fees for events that are happening within our city. So, you know, yeah, there's lots of things that we didn't used to always do. Part of the reason why we have a budget committee, and the reason why we've been allocating these types of decisions to the budget committee, is to not be broke.
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Kyle Falbo: this idea that somehow, because of what happened with Kiwanis, that now we want to go ahead and lower the amount of bureaucracy, how about you work on the efficiency, right? The idea that an event that happens every single year, that is previously asked for a waiver.
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Kyle Falbo: Is not goingthrough untila monthtill, and nowyou're doing… you're making this approval within days of the actual event.
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Kyle Falbo: Right? Work on that, rather than trying to give yourself loopholes to try to get things approved faster.
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Kyle Falbo: Think through the process that you have. You have a budget subcommittee that you should be using. Why was that budget committee meeting canceled this week? Let's work onthat in terms of efficiency. Let's work on that in terms of tryingto reduce bureaucracy.
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Kyle Falbo: How is the efficiency of those meetings going? 1054
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Kyle Falbo: Are you guys making progress? How is things going with the cost allocation plan for enterprise, right? There's lots of ways that you could be looking to reduce bureaucracy in this city, but giving yourselves loophole to spend more money without public scrutiny is not the best way to be doing that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Kyle, for your public comment. Next, I will come back into chambers, if there's anyone in chambers that would like to make a public comment.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, I will go back out to Zoom. If there's anyone on Zoom that would like to make a public comment on this item, please raise your hand virtually.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Seeing none, public comment is close on this item. All right, thank you. We're back at the dais. Go ahead. Yeah, so I'll just state up front, I'm not in support of this and won't be voting for this. I trust my colleagues that sit on the Budget Committee, there's rhyme and reason that any dollar spent, that's what I tell people out in the public.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you want a dollar, you better plan your life accordingly, because it's going to have to go before budget, and then budget will make a recommendation to the full council, and I'll probably defer to them, because they have the bigger picture, so I'm not supporting this. I just want to put that out there. 1059
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Go ahead, Vice Mayor. 1060
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Ina way, to me, it doesn't matter, but it does… it does, and it doesn't matter, because it's going to be vetted by the full council anyway. 1061
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I'm on the Budget Committee, And, 1062
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, we have reviewed things, they don't really take… usuallythey don't take a lot of time. However, you never know, there could be circumstances of an ask that you would really want to have. 1063
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: two people to… twocouncil members and the Budget Committee look at it before it comes to Council. I mean, that's why we're there. 1064
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you just never know. You know, usually a lot of this is routine, but you never know. And like I said earlier, we did not review the Apple Blossom Parade request, and that was a substantial ask.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Mmm.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Anyway, yeah.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Bye.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That's it.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay. Or something else, but I don't remember it. 1071
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Any comments? Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna make the motion. I brought it forth. I think that it does reduce red tape, and a lot of these are standard, and they still go before the full council. So with that, I'm going to move that we 1072
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: approve the waiver of budget committee review for special event permit fees from nonprofits for $2,000 or less. Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And I'll second that. 1074
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, so moved by Councilmember Hinton and seconded by Mayor McLewis to approve the, waiving of special event permit fees of $2,000 or less to go through the Budget Committee. Councilmember Hinton? Aye. Councilmember Zollman?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No. Vice Mayor Maurer? 1076
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: No.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Mayor McLewis? Yes. Motion is 2-2, motion fails. 1078
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you very much. We will move on to item number 14, Consideration of amendment to City Council Protocol for definition of substantive… substantive… substantive time.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: staff time for agenda items proposed by City Council members, and Councilmember Zollman and myself brought this forward, along with, staff responsible is our interim city manager.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you, Mayor. So as you just stated, so this item came up at the last Council meeting regarding staff time, howmuch staff time is acceptable before it needs to come back to the City Council for full council discussion. 1082
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: When the committee discussed it, they had discussed, 4 and 5 hours. The request is 5 hours, even though it did state 4. The intention, though, is that the 4th hour.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: that the city council memberwould be notified that there is one hour remaining of staff time ifthis proposal went forward. So, the request, Agenda Item Number 2
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from thecommittee… from thetwocouncil members bringing it forward was to have it 5 total, and that is cumulative.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That is all staff time, cumulative, 5 hours, but at that 4th hour, have notification tothe city council member. 1085
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: And that is either if it's a one council member that's bringing it forward, or two council members that is bringing an item forward, there would be no distinction between that.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So this is the recommendation coming from the two council members. I don't know if you want to add more to that, but the recommendation is to have it 5 total, with that 4 number being the cutoff. 1087
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I can… I cangive my perspective if you… my thought was, with the…with the 5 hours, was that knowing the amount of time it takes for a staff report, so even, doing a staff report could take up to 2 hours, and then ifthis is part of another department that you have to work with.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: I mean, you know, an hour to two hours seems reasonable that it would take that amount of time, and then it was my thought that 1089
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: you know, at the 4-hour mark,because I… it's my understanding,
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: there's a policy now for… as far as communicating more about the amount of hours being spent, so at the 4-hour, I just thought that that wouldbe…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: themarker… it would bea good point forthe council members to benotified, look, you know, you're reaching the end here, but it just seemed to me that, I mean, just even, you know, just those couple things that are procedural just to get this forward could take, you know, at least a couple hours, and then if it's a specialty item.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So that was my reasoning with the 5 hours. I know 5 hours is a lot of time, but at the same time.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: You know, if we have staff spending 2 hours on an item, or 3 hours on an item, and they actually can't get it done, and nothing comes forward, then we'rejustconstantlyspinningourwheels,like,having…spendingtimeon things that actually aren't completed, and coming to…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: tocounsel. Does that make… did I explain that correct? You know what I mean? Like, if…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: if they spend 3 hours, only have 3 hours, and were to spend 3 hours, and it's not completed, now it's either on the councilmembers to figure that out, or it just doesn't come forward, and now we have spent that amount of time. So I don't know, that was my reasoning with that. Open to discussion about it, but it just seemed like a reasonable amount, so I don't know. I don't disagree at all with the logic on that, and 5 hours might be too much. I mean.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But at least there's a due process part, so we can…
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: have a discussion about the exact hours, but I do like the Mayor's thought of having an hour warning, or maybe it was Mary's Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: That was my idea, to have an hour warning, because we all have things going on in our life, and we do probably think it's only going to take a phone call to Anne McKeel, but if it just sort of blows out, an hour warning would be nice, to know. So, those are my thoughts.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Vice Mayor?
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So, when I was first selected, for somereason, I got in my head that
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: youcouldn't take morethan an hour of staff time. If you wanted to bring forward an agenda item, you had to have that really developed before you asked staff.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: to do anything on it. So, was that part of a prior policy? Did I just make that up? Where did that… where did I get that?Do you know? There is no… there was… there's no prior policy. There was an unwritten Agenda Item Number 2
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: rule, if you per se, but the unwritten rule that I was always… went by inthepast and was told was it was, like, 3 hours. 1104
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: So anything more than that would be substantial.
We would return to Council. But again, there is nothing written in that. That has just always been what has been past practice.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: But nothing formally written down as far as that goes.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Any other questions? 1108
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, public comment. So, this is for public comment onthe amount of staff time to be used before an item needs to come back to the City Council. Kyle, can you unmute yourself, please?
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Kyle Falbo: Yes, I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Thank you. There you have the timer. Can you see the timer?
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Kyle Falbo: Yeah, I can.
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Sebastopol Community Cultural Center: Okay, go ahead, please. 1113
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Kyle Falbo: I just would encourage you to be careful about what you're doing here. 1114
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Kyle Falbo: I understand that there was, at just a most recent meeting, this is almost like a knee-jerk reaction to something that happened in a most recent meeting. 1115
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Kyle Falbo: Which was unfortunate, but as we learned, it was not… 1116
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Kyle Falbo: the fault of the council member. It was likely the fault of 1117
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Kyle Falbo: the fact that you have a paidcontractor who canvery easily inflate the amount of hours that are needed to do the research. There's no oversight, right? We have Mary making the suggestion that she wasn't aware that that much of the time had been taking place. So we have structural issues in place
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Kyle Falbo: That you are knee-jerk reacting, and then tying your own hands to access to staff time.
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Kyle Falbo: If you just look at the Administrative Services Report, how vague it is to make the suggestion in that report that the,
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