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September 15, 2026

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POINT
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OF CONTACT, EVEN THOUGH --
AND

THEN HOPEFULLY WE COULD HAVE
ONE

PERSON FROM THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT, ONE PERSON FROM

SAFEWAY SO THAT WE HAVE A
TEAM

THAT IS ACTUALLY WORKING
ON
THIS.

THANK
YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM.

KELLY,

CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF,
PLEASE?

CAN YOU SAY
HER NAME?

I THINK IT'S
MICHELLE.

MICHELLE,

CAN YOU UNMUTE
YOURSELF, PLEASE?

I WILL COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS

AND THEN GO BACK OUT TO SEE IF

SHE'S --
OLIVER?
THANK YOU.

WELL, THE COUNCIL JUST VOTED

DOWN A GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY

EARLIER THIS EVENING,
WHICH

PROBABLY WOULD HAVE FIT
VERY
WELL FOR THIS KIND OF GENERAL -- Agenda Item Number 1
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IT'S A VERY VAGUE AGENDA

ITEM IS

WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY,
FUNDAMENTALLY.

SO THAT
DIDN'T WORK.

THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL AND THE WANT CAMERAS.

THAT'S ALSO BEING DISCUSSED
IN
THIS ROOM A LOT.

SO CAMERAS ARE THE BOTTOM HERE,
EXCEPT FOR THE SITUATION HERE.

SO I WOULD SAY THE SOLUTION
WITH

THE CAMERAS IS FOR THE

RESIDENTS

ON THAT ROAD TO BUY RING CAMERAS

OR SIMILAR AND RECORD
THAT

THEMSELVES BECAUSE THAT

WAY YOU

CAN ACTUALLY CAPTURE THE
PEOPLE
THAT ARE TORMENTING YOU.

AND THEN SEPARATELY I WOULD
SAY

EARLIER THIS EVENING WE
WERE

ENTERTAINED BY A GUY WITH A

BALLOON NAKED MASTURBATING
TWICE.

THESE PEOPLE ARE TROLLING
AND
THEY WANT ATTENTION.

SO MORE ATTENTION YOU GIVE
THEM,

THE MORE COMMUNITIES YOU HAVE

GIVING THEM THE ATTENTION
THEY

CRAVE, THE WORST IT'S GOING
TO
GET.

I'VE DEALT WITH BULLIES IN
THE
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PAST MYSELF.

YOU IGNORE THEM AND YOU

QUIETLY

CLEANUP AND YOU QUIETLY
ENTRAP
THEM AND YOU MOVE ON.

THE MORE YOU MAKE A

HUGE, YOU

KNOW, VERY EXPENSIVE

HULLABALOO

ABOUT THIS, I

WOULD ARGUE MORE
AND MORE KIDS WOULD JOIN IN.

THIS IS GREAT FUN, WE CONTROL

THEY TAKE US VERY, VERY
SERIOUSLY.

I THINK THIS IS DANGEROUS
BIT OF

GROUND WE GET ONTO AT
THIS
POINT.

SO COMIZERATION TO THE
PEOPLE
GETTING BULLIED.

I GET IT.

THIS IS VERY MISERABLE, BUT
THIS

IS VERY CLUMSY WAY OF DEALING
WITH IT.

AS I PREVIOUSLY SAID

GENERALLY

SPEAKING THE CITIZENS HERE
DON'T

WANT ANY CAMERAS, AND THEY
DON'T
WANT A GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY.

SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
THANK
YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

NEXT I'LL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM.

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MICHELLE, CAN YOU UNMUTE
YOURSELF, PLEASE?

MICHELLE, CAN YOU UNMUTE
YOURSELF PLEASE?
I WILL
COME BACK INTO CHAMBERS.

HI.

I'M GWEN FAIRWEATHER, AND
I

DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED
OR
ANYTHING.

BUT WHAT I CAN SAY FROM MY
HEART

AND FROM WITNESSING EVERYBODY
IN

THIS ROOM, IT IS -- IT
IS

SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE
TALKED

ABOUT WITHIN THE SCHOOLS AND
THE

POLICE DEPARTMENTS
AND
EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WE'RE FORGETTING WE'RE

TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL

PEOPLE,

REAL PEOPLE EXPERIENCING
THESE
THINGS.

THAT IS EXTREMELY DISHEARTENING.

IT'S NOT JUST BULLYING.

IT IS RACISM, AND I DO

UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR POINT IS

ABOUT, LIKE, IT IS GIVING
IT

MORE ATTENTION, AND THEY DO
KIND

OF FEED OFF

OF THAT, SO I

UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING
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WITH THAT.

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BUT IT'S A COMPLETE

DISRESPECT

TO THE ACTUAL COMMUNITY
THAT

IT'S HAPPENING TO JUST SAY THAT

AS, LIKE, A GENERAL

STATEMENT
AND NOT ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT IT.

FOR A YOU AS A POLICE

CHIEF, YOU

SHOULD BE THE ONE THAT'S

ADVOCATING TO HELP WITH
THINGS

LIKE THIS BECAUSE THESE ARE
YOUR
PEOPLE.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THESE

THINGS ARE PEOPLE

THAT INTERESTED

IN YOUR POSITION
AND

ARE INTERESTED IN YOUR COMMUNITY
SPECIFICALLY.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WITH
ANY

TYPE OF ENERGY, BUT I AM
SAYING
IT JUST TO CALL ATTENTION TO IT.

SO IT IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE

LIKE YOU TO BE THE
PEOPLE

TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE

THEY'RE

THE PEOPLE THAT WILL LISTEN
TO
YOU.

AND TO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE
US

TALKING ABOUT

IT, IT'S IMPORTANT
AND I SUPPORT IT.

BUT THE ACTUAL CORE OF THE

ISSUE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO
BE
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TAKEN SERIOUSLY IN
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THAT SPACE.

NOT ME MEANING LIKE -- ANYWAYS,
YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING.

THE POINT IS -- SORRY.

THE POINT IS THAT THESE ARE REAL

PEOPLE AND THESE ARE REAL

CONVERSATIONS, AND IT

IS JUST

ABOUT HAVING REAL

CONVERSATIONS
ABOUT IT.

YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 15
SECONDS.

THANK YOU.

I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR

YOU SPECIFICALLY TO TALK
ABOUT
IT.

I DO THINK SPECIFICALLY IT'S

IMPORTANT FOR THE PRINCIPAL TO

TALK ABOUT AND FOR THESE
PEOPLE
WE

HAVE PUT IN AUTHORITY
POSITIONS TO TALK ABOUT IT.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S

THINGS HAVE TO
BE
DONE.

THAT'S TWO
MINUTES.

ALL OF THE THINGS, AND IT'S

JUST RIDICULOUS BECAUSE THIS IS

REAL CONVERSATIONS AND

I THINK

THAT WE ALL NEED TO BE
DOING
BETTER.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PUBLIC
COMMENTS.

NEXT I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM.

MICHELLE,

CAN YOU UNMUTE
YOURSELF, PLEASE?
THANK YOU.

CAN YOU SEE THE
TIMER?
NO.

CAN CROW HEAR
ME?
I
CAN.

OKAY, RIGHT
ON.

I WILL JUMP IN WHEN YOU
HAVE
ABOUT 30 SECONDS
LEFT.

SO THIS IS JUST A QUESTION
IS

I'M GETTING

THE SENSE THAT --

YOU KNOW, I

APPRECIATE

EVERYTHING EVERYBODY SAID,
BUT

I'M GETTING THE SENSE THAT THERE

ISN'T A LOT OF EXPERTISE
ON

TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT
RACIAL
BIAS.

AND I JUST WONDER HOW

PREPARED

CITY PERSONNEL AND POSSIBLY

COUNCIL FEEL IN DEALING
WITH

RACIALLY CHARGED ISSUES AND

HAVING, AS SOMEONE SAID,

FEELING
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COMFORTABLE
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WITH THOSE
UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS.

AND BEFORE LEAVING MEETINGS WITH

THESE DIFFICULT

CONVERSATIONS,

IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY

TO TRAIN

UP YOURSELVES IN THESE
DISCUSSIONS?

AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU
HAVE

TO RESPOND TO PUBLICLY,
BUT I

THINK THESE ARE

DIFFICULT
CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE.

AND COULD THERE BE
AN

OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE TRAINING

AMONGST YOURSELVES TOTO
THE

CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY
MEMBERS?

BECAUSE THESE ARE
BIG
CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE.

SO RESPECTFULLY I HOPE
YOU
CONSIDER THAT.

THANK YOU AND SORRY FOR MY TECH
PROBLEMS.

THAT'S OKAY.

THANK YOU, MICHELLE.

WE WILL COME BACK INTO
CHAMBERS.

LIZ FINN, A RESIDENT OF

SEBASTOPOL AND WEST COUNTY FOR
50 YEARS.

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WHAT AMAZED ME
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-- WHAT CAUGHT
MY

ATTENTION IN THE NEWSPAPER WAS

THE RESIDENTS WHO WERE LOOKING

AT THE GRAFFITIGRAFFITI DAY
AND

THEY EXPRESSED THE FEELING
THAT
THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T CARE.

AND THAT REALLY, YOU
KNOW,
STRUCK AT THE HEART.

AND THEN LO AND BEHOLD IN MY

INBOX WAS THIS RALLYING OF
THE

COMMUNITY TO PATROL THE
AREA

DURING THE LUNCH HOURS AND
AFTER
SCHOOL.

AND I WENT OUT ONE DAY

ANDAND THERE
COMMUNITY MEMBERS THERE.

THERE WAS A FAMILY, THE

CHILDREN
WERE DOING CHALK.

THERE WERE SIGNS UP ON THE WALL

WELCOMING THE

COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW,

EMBRACING THE NEIGHBORS

AND TELLING THEM THAT THEY
WERE
WELCOME.

AND I THINK THERE'S A
VERY

DEFINITE ROLE FOR THE
COUNCIL.

SOME OF YOU KNOW I -- WE
HAVE

SPOKEN TO THE FACT THAT YOU'VE

PASSED A RESOLUTION IN
2017,
RESOLUTION 6127.

I THINK SOME OF THE

LANGUAGE,
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THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL
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HAS
STATED IN RESOLUTION 6127 IS

COMMITTED TO SAFEGUARDING
THE

CIVIL RIGHTS, DIGNITY OF
ALL

RESIDENTS INCLUDING

IMMIGRANTS

FROM ALL COUNTRIES, PEOPLE OF

COLOR, PEOPLE OF ALL

RELIGIONS,

GENDER IDENTITY, SEXUAL

ORIENTATION, PEOPLE WITH

DISABILITIES, AND ALL

VULNERABLE
COMMUNITIES.

AND I THINK THIS IS THE
MOMENT

FOR THE COUNCIL TO STEP INTO

THOSE WORDS AND SEE HOWHOW THEY
BE

A FORCE TO HAVE -- WHETHER

IT'S TO INITIATE CONVERSATION

NOT THROUGH -- YES PROGRAMS
AND

ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN

SUGGESTED, AND IT SEEMS LIKE
THE

MEETING HAS BEEN ORIENTED TO THE
PUNITIVE AREA.

IS THAT TWO MINUTES?
THAT IS TWO MINUTES.

TOO BAD BECAUSE I WANT --

WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR WAS
THE

INVOLVEMENT OF THE STUDENTS
AND
TALKING TO THEM DIRECTLY.

AND I THINK THE COUNCIL DID

HAVEHAVE
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A TOWN HALL
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-- A MEETING
RIGHT

HERE WHERE THE STUDENTS
COME,

AND YOU CAN HAVE A
DIALOGUE.

THANK YOU, LIZ.

NEXT I WOULD GO OUT TO ZOOM.

IF THERE'S ANYONE ON

ZOOM THAT

WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT ON THIS ITEM TO
PLEASE
RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY.

SEEING NONE, I WILL COME

BACK INTO
CHAMBERS.

HI.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT
IN
SEBASTOPOL SINCE 1970.

I AM BIRACIAL.

GROWING UP IN SEBASTOPOL
MY

SISTERS AND I AS WELL AS OUR
MOTHER DID EXPERIENCE RACISM.

WE WERE CALLED MANY NAMES.

PEOPLE DIDN'T QUITE KNOW WHAT TO

THINK OF US BECAUSE I
DON'T

NECESSARILY LOOK LIKE A BLACK

WOMAN, BUT I DEFINITELY

IDENTIFY
AS ONE.

ONE OF THE THINGS WITH ALL
OF

THIS COMING UP, I READ AN

ARTICLE IN THE SEBASTOPOL

TIMES -- THANK YOU, LAURA --
AND
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I READ OUR POLICE CHIEF

MENTIONING FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND

ASSOCIATING THAT TERM WITH
WHAT

WAS HAPPENING WITH THESE
YOUNG
KIDS
SAYING THESE.

TO HAVE A POSITION OF POWER
LIKE

A POLICE CHIEF DOES AND TO USE

THE TERM FREE SPEECH -- AND
I'M
TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT.

WHAT YOU SAID WAS VERY

THOROUGH
IN WHAT YOU SAID.

BUT, HOWEVER, TO USE THAT TERM

AND SAY THAT THESE KIDS ARE

EXERCISING THEIR FREE

SPEECH,

AND YOU ELABORATED ON OTHER

POINTS, BUT THAT IS WHAT
IS
GOING TO BE PICKED UP.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT
CAN

FUEL YOUNG PEOPLE'S

THOUGHTS
THAT THIS IS SOMEWHAT ACCEPTED.

I KNOW THAT WAS NOT YOUR

INTENTION, BUT THE

WAY THAT IT

WAS PHRASED AND THE WAY THAT
THE

TERM FREE

SPEECH WAS USED WITH

HATE SPEECH AND THAT

THIS WAS

NOT A HATE CRIME I THINK IS
ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT.

I THINK THIS IS HATE SPEECH.

I DO NOT THINK THIS IS BULLYING.

I THINK THAT -- I'M A
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TRAINED
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RESTORATIVE PRACTICES

PRACTITIONER AS
WELL.

YOU HAVE ABOUT 20
SECONDS.

I'VE DEALT WITH KIDS
DOING

THIS KIND OF RESTORATIVE JUSTICE
AND RESTORATIVE PRACTICE.

I FEEL THAT THIS IS -- I'M
SORRY, I'M BLANKING.

I EXPECT MORE FROM OUR LEADERS

OF THIS TOWN ABOUT MANY
ISSUES
IN THIS TOWN.

AND IT IS NOT BULLYING.

THAT'S TWO
MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

NEXT I WILL GO BACK OUT TO
ZOOM,

IF THERE'S ANYONE ON

ZOOM THAT

WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT TO PLEASE

RAISE YOUR
HAND VIRTUALLY.

SEEING NONE, I WILL COME

BACK INTO
CHAMBERS.

IS THERE A WAY TO SEE THE
TIMER FROM HERE?

OH, I'LL JUST PUT IT ON MY
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PHONE.

THANKS.

HI, MY NAME IS MEGAN COFFEY,
AND

I REALLY APPRECIATE A LOT OF
WHAT WAS SAID TODAY.

I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT WHAT
WAS
SAID.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT
PEOPLE

DO SEEM TO BE AT LEAST STARTING
TO CARE.

MAYBE THEY

WEREN'T CARING WHEN

THEY MIGHT COULD HAVE, BUT

THEY'RE
CARING NOW.

AND I'M GLAD THAT'S

HAPPENING,
AND I HOPE THAT CONTINUES.

AND HOPE THAT CARE TURNS INTO
ACTION.

I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I DO

REALLY APPRECIATE THE

RESOLUTION

THAT CAME OUT I

BELIEVE COUNCIL

MEMBER ZOLLMAN SENT IT OUT
TO A
GROUP THAT I'M ON.

I APPRECIATED IT.

HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO

SAY I'M

NOT IN FAVOR OF HAVING POLICE
INVOLVEMENT FOR FOUR REASONS.

AND I SENT TWO OF THEM TO YOU

GUYS, BUT I THOUGHT OF
TWO
OTHERS AFTER I WROTE THE LETTER.

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FIRST AND FOREMOST, AT LEAST
FOR

ME AND I KNOW FOR MANY
OTHER

PEOPLE -- NO OFFENSE TO YOU,

SIR, BUT I FEEL LESS SAFE WHEN

THERE'S POLICE AROUND, NOT MORE
SAFE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE
REALLY

IMPORTANT TO CHECK WITH
THE

COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND

ASK DO YOU

WANT MORE POLICE HANGING
AROUND
YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD?
MAYBE THEY DO.

I DON'T
WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM.

I WOULDN'T.

THAT WOULDN'T MAKE ME
FEEL
SAFER.

SECOND, I'M RUNNING OUT OF
TIME
ALREADY.

SECOND, I BELIEVE

THAT POLICE

BEING INVOLVED IS KIND OF THE

ANTITHESIS OF

RESTORATIVE
JUSTICE.

THE WHOLE POINT OF RESTORATIVE

JUSTICE IS THAT IT'S NOT
PUNITIVE.

WHEREAS, PLEASE, AGAIN, NO
OFFENSE, SIR.

YOU HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT
ROLE

TO PLAY BUT THAT PUNITIVE
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SYSTEM
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IS NOT
RESTORATIVE.

THIRD, I BELIEVE THAT
HAVING

POLICE COME IN KIND OF

PERPETUATES THIS FALSE

NARRATIVE

THAT SOCIETY IS TOO WOKE AND

FOURSING PEOPLE TO THINK A

CERTAIN WAY AND THIS

IS HOW WE

SHOULD ALL CARE ABOUT OUR

NEIGHBOR AND BE

COMPASSIONATE

AND CARING AND IT'S THE ONLY
WAY
DEMOCRACY IS GOING TO SURVIVE.

I'M OUT OF TIME, BUT FOURTH

REALLY QUICK, SORRY -- KIDS WHO

DO THIS KIND OF THING THINK IT'S

COOL TO BREAK THE LAW AND COOL

TO DEFY AUTHORITY AND GET
IN
TROUBLE.

SO MORE PEOPLE MEANS THE COOLER

IT IS TO ACT LIKE THEY'RE
ACTING.

THANK
YOU.

THANK YOU, MEGAN, FOR
YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT.

NEXT I'LL GO BACK

OUT TO ZOOM IF

THERE'S ANYONE ON ZOOM
THAT

WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR
HAND VIRTUALLY.

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SEEING NONE, I'LL COME
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BACK INTO
CHAMBERS.

HI, MY NAME IS WILLOW MARTIN.

I WROTE A BIG SPEECH BUT
I
GRABBED MY GROCERY LIST INSTEAD.

SO I'M JUST HERE TO SHOW MY
SUPPORT FOR MY NEIGHBORS.

I DO CARE DEEPY ABOUT
WHAT

HAPPENS
OVER THERE.

I'VE BEEN THERE A FEW TIMES.

I WANT IT TO STOP.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS
CAN

DO TO ACILITATE THAT, BUT
I

ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION -- THE

COUNCIL, EXCUSE ME, TO WORK WITH

SAFEWAY, WORK WITH THE

SCHOOLS,

EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO TO
STOP

THIS HORRIBLE BEHAVIOR IN OUR
TOWN.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

NEXT I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM.

IF THERE'S ANYONE ON ZOOM TO

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND
VIRTUALLY.

SEEING NONE, I'LL COME BACK
INTO
CHAMBERS.

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IF THERE'S ANYONE IN

CHAMBERS

THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE MAKE PUBLIC
COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

HI.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF

SEBASTOPOL OFF AND ON FOR MORE
THAN 40 YEARS.

I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID

WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, SO
I

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT

THINGS AREN'T WORDED
LIKE
GRAFFITI.

I DON'T WANT THE COMPLAINTS
FROM

THE COMMUNITY WAS NOT AGAINST
GRAFFITI.

THE AGAINST ON THE GRAFFITI
WAS

SAYING HITLER WAS RIGHT AND
ALL
THE OTHER STUFF IT SAID.

AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS RACIAL
MOCKERY.

IT WAS -- THE COMMUNITY WAS

OUTRAGED AGAINST THE TARGETED

HARASSMENT AND

INTIMIDATION

DIRECTED

AT CHILDREN OF COLOR ON
A REGULAR BASIS.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE

CALL IT WHAT IT IS, WE
DON'T

START PASSING ORDINANCES AGAINST

GRAFFITI BECAUSE THIS IS
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TWO
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VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND I DID -- I WAS KIND OF

CONFUSED ABOUT THE -- I DON'T

KNOW IF I CAN ASK QUESTIONS,
BUT

SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM

ALEX, THERE WOULD BE A

CRIMINAL -- A POLICE

OFFICER

WOULD HAVE TO GIVE A

CRIMINAL

CITATION TO SOMEBODY,

MAYBE WHO

WAS MAKING MONKEY CALLS OR WHO

WAS CAUGHT DOING GRAFFITI
OR,

YOU KNOW, STALKING SOMEONE
OR
THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT CITATION WOULD BE --

THEN THAT CHILD OR THAT PERSON BE REFERRED TO

RESTORATIVE

JUSTICE THAT ALEX SAID THAT
HAD

A PRETTY GOOD REPUTATION OF
OVER
16 KIDS GOING THROUGH IT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT
DOING
FINGERPRINTS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A CRIMINAL
CITATION IN SEBASTOPOL.

IS THAT ALL THE TRACKING
THAT'S

ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE LEFT
THERE?

BECAUSE FOR ME I DON'T THINK

THAT THAT'S -- I THINK WE
NEED

TO THINK ABOUT THE KIDS
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IT'S

AFFECTING MORE THAN

THE KIDS

THAT MIGHT HAVE A CITATION
IN
SONOMA COUNTY ON THEIR RECORD.

I THINK IT WOULD BE
MORE

IMPORTANT TO GET THEM
INTO

RESTORATIVE
JUSTICE.

YOU HAVE ABOUT TEN
SECONDS.

SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOW US

CREATING OUR OWN
RESTOR

EXTENSIVE JUSTICE WOULD REALLY
WORK.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.

I WILL GO BACK OUT TO ZOOM.

IF THERE'S ANYONE ON ZOOM
TO

PLEASE RAISE YOUR
HAND
VIRTUALLY.

SEEING NONE, I WILL COME BACK
INTO CHAMBERS.

IF THERE'S ANYONE

IN CHAMBERS

THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
PUBLIC
COMMENT.

SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT
IS

CLOSED ON THIS
ITEM.

COUNCIL MEMBER
ZOLLMAN.

YEAH, A QUESTION TO
STAFF.

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TO MARY IN PARTICULAR.

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HOW MUCH TIME WAS

AUTHORIZED
ALREADY TO GET US TO THIS POINT?

BECAUSE AS WAS CLEAR THROUGH MY

QUESTION EARLIER, WE DID NOT
AS

A BODY BLESS THE MAYOR TO ENGAGE

WITH THESE MEETINGS, BUT
I WANT

TO HEAR FROM YOU HOW MUCH STAFF

TIME OF THE POLICE CHIEF DID YOU

ALREADY SPEND GETTING US TO
THIS
POINT?

SO THE MEETINGS I
HAVE

ATTENDED PERSONALLY WITH
THE

MAYOR AND THE CHIEF AND

SAFEWAY

AND ANA LEE WAS LESS THAN THREE
HOURS.

AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION --

I'M SORRY, AND I WANTED
TO

ADD REALLY QUICK TO THAT,
WE

ALSO MET WITH THE NEIGHBOR,
SO
THAT WAS AN ADDITIONAL MEETING.

SO THAT WAS ABOUT AN HOUR OR
SO,

SO IT WAS ABOUT FOUR HOURS IN
TOTAL.

AND TO GET A FORMALLY

BLESSED

COUNCIL LIAISON, WE PROBABLY --

THIS QUESTION TO YOU, ALEX, WE
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PROBABLY CAN'T DO THAT TODAY
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BECAUSE IT WASN'T
AGENDIZED.

YOU CAN DIRECT US TO BRING

THAT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING
AGENDA.

YEAH, I WOULD

ACTUALLY LIKE
TO DO THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO CREATE AN AD
HOC

FOR THIS SITUATION AND SEIZE
THE
MOMENT BECAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED.

THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT TOOLS

THAT WE HAVE, AND WE

NEED TO

THINK ABOUT IT IN A WAY THAT IS

VERY COMMUNITY INVOLVING, AND I

FEEL LIKE AN AD HOC IS THE
RIGHT

WAY TO DO IT WITH A

COUNCIL

MEMBER THAT IS, YOU
KNOW,

OFFICIALLY INVOLVED, AND WE CAN

ADDRESS THIS

SYSTEMATICALLY

BECAUSE IT DOES NEED TO GO

THROUGH SOME OF THE SCHOOLS AS
WELL.

AND I THINK TRYING TO, YOU KNOW,

ACCOMPLISH A SOLUTION RIGHT
NOW

IS NOT THE RIGHT
THING.

COUNCIL MEMBER
ZOLLMAN.

TO FOLLOW UP ON

COUNCIL
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MEMBER CARTER'S QUESTION,
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COULD

YOU EXPLAIN, ALEX, WHAT COULD
WE

CREATE -- WHAT WAS SUGGESTED AN
AD HOC?
COULD WE DO THAT TONIGHT?
WOULD IT REQUIRE AN AGENDA ITEM?

AND IF REQUIRES AN AGENDA
ITEM,

MARY, HOW QUICKLY COULD WE BRINGBACK WITH STAFF'S
INPUT

ABOUT HOW AN AD HOC WOULD
BE
CREATED?

ALSO I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE
BURDEN ON STAFF.

BECAUSE IF WE'RE

GOING TO HAVE

AN AD HOC AND IF IT'S GOING TO

BE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, I MEAN
IF

IT WERE ME I WOULDN'T HAVE
IT
WITHOUT A STAFF.

AND IF IT WERE STAFF WOULD IT

JUST BE YOU OR WOULD IT BE THE
POLICE CHIEF?

BECAUSE I'VE

HEARD FROM THE

COMMUNITY AND I WOULDN'T

WANT TO

PARTICIPATE WITHOUT THE
POLICE
PRESENT.

SO THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU
NOW.

SO YOU CAN DIRECT THE
AGENDA
ITEM TO COME BACK.

THE EARLIEST I CAN PROBABLY
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WITHOUT HAVING AN AGENDA REVIEW

MEANING WE'D HAVE THAT TO DO

SCHEDULING, I CAN PROBABLY SAY

WE CAN DO IT THE EARLIEST
WOULD
BE THE OCTOBER 6th MEETING
TO
BRING THIS BACK.

IT WOULD BE THE

COUNCIL

DIRECTION AT THAT TIME AS TO WHO
WOULD BE ON THAT AD HOC.

WE WILL BRING BACK

RECOMMENDATIONS, AND IT

WOULD BE

UP TO THE COUNCIL TO

DETERMINE
WHO WOULD BE ON THAT AD HOC.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO
AN

AD HOC, IT ALSO COULD BE
A

LIAISON THAT COULD WORK
WITH

STAFF SIMILAR TO WHAT THE MAYOR
IS DOING RIGHT NOW OR WAS DOING.

I WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC
FOR
BEING HERE.

IT'S REALLY HEARTWARMING TO
SEE
THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT.

AND I'VE WRITTEN DOWN ALL OF

YOUR SOLUTIONS BECAUSE I
THINK
THE COMMUNITY HAS THE SOLUTION.

SO I'VE GOT LIKE FOUR -- I
MEAN

IT'S A SMALL NOTE HERE
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BUT
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THERE'S FOUR -- LET'S SEE, ONE,

TWO, THREE,
FOUR, FIVE.

FIVE AND A BIT PAGES OF
YOUR

IDEAS AND SOLUTIONS ON HOW
WE'RE
GOING TO SOLVE THIS.

AND

I'M NOTING THE RESTORATIVE

JUSTICE AS SOMETHING THAT
YOU

REGARD AS

AA SOLUTION AS

LONG AS IT'S THROUGH A GOOD
PROGRAM.

THERE WERE TWO ORDINANCES
THAT

WERE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL THAT
I'M
NOT FAMILIAR WITH.

ONE WAS 6403 I THINK WAS

REPORTED, AND THEN THE OTHER
WAS
6127.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO

ASK THAT

THOSE -- IF THOSE
ARE
THE RIGHT NUMBERS -- BE EMAILED

TO THE FULL COUNCIL SO WE CAN
BE
AWARE OF WHAT THEY ARE.

AND I HEARD YOU SAY --
COUNCIL MEMBER, SO 6403
IS

ATTACHED TO THE STAFF
REPORT
TODAY.

RESOLUTION
6403.

AND
THEN 6427.

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YES, I HAVE THAT.

Agenda Item Number 1

I HAVE THAT AVAILABLE
AND

SENDING IT RIGHT
NOW.

IF YOU COULD E-MAIL THAT
TO
THE FULL COUNCIL.

AND THEN I HEARD YOU SAY THAT
TO

NOT INVOLVE THE POLICE , THAT
THE

ANT DOTE IS THE COMMUNITY AND
NOT THE POLICE.

AND ANOTHER SPEAKER THAT IT
WAS

GOOD TO INVOLVE THE POLICE
SO

THE POLICE WOULD GET

EDUCATED,

AND THAT THIS WAS AN ONGOING
PROCESS.

ONE OF THE IDEAS I REALLY LIKED
WAS THE IDEA OF TRAINING.

TRAINING THE COMMUNITY

LEADERS

FOR RACIAL BIAS BECAUSE I

BELIEVE THAT THAT CAN ALSO BE
UNCONSCIOUS.

YOU CAN HAVE CONSCIOUS BIAS
AND
YOU CAN HAVE UNCONSCIOUS BIAS.

AND IF YOU'RE IN A LEADERSHIP

POSITION, IT'S REALLY GOOD
TO
UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I WOULD THINK THAT I WOULD

VOLUNTEER MY EDUCATIONAL -- I
HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL FUND.

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I THINK I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW

MUCH IT IS, BUT ALL OF US I
THINK HAVE MAYBE $2,500
IN

TRAVEL AND EDUCATION FUND, BUT I

WOULD KEEP IT IN MIND FOR
EDUCATION.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL OF

US, ALL THE COUNCIL, THE
STAFF,

AND INCLUDING THE POLICE
CHIEF,

MAYBE THE FIRE CHIEF

ALL HAVE

THIS TRAINING BECAUSE I THINK
THAT'S A RELY ALLY GOOD IDEA.

SO THANK YOU FOR

WHOEVER BROUGHT
THAT UP.

I JUST LOVE THE FACT THAT
THE

COMMUNITY HAS A

PATROL AT LUNCH
HOUR.

AND THAT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA
OF

HAVING THE SCHOOLS ADDRESS IT,
I'M SURE THEY'VE TRIED.

AND I THINK THEY JUST --
THEY
NEED TO DO MORE.

THE SCHOOLS NEED TO DO MORE.

I PERSONALLY LIKE THE IDEA
OF

ASKING SAFEWAY TO VOLUNTEER
TO
MAKE SOME OF THESE CHANGES.

BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING WE
CAN'T

FORCE THEM TO DO, BUT WE
COULD

CERTAINLY WRITE THEM
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A LETTER
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AND ASK THEM TO DO IT,
AND I

THINK THAT'S
ONE STEP.

AND I WOULD BE

INTERESTEDINTERESTED IN

MAYBE CONTACTING THE PEOPLE WHO

DO THE GRAFFITI CLEANUP
AND

MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE

OF THIS LOCATION AND SEEING IF

THEY COULD BE MINDFUL OF
COVERING THAT UP.

I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF

ANOTHER

ORDINANCE OR A BLIGHT ORDINANCE

OR A GRAFFITI ORDINANCE OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY
THOUGHTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER HINTON,
DO YOU
HAVE ANY THOUGHTS?

I MEAN, IT'S A LOT TO TAKE
IN

TONIGHT, AND I WOULD BE --
I

WOULD -- I'M FINE WITH STAFF
DIRECTION.

I JUST WONDER WHAT
OUR

AVAILABILITY IS AS A COUNCIL TO

SERVE ON ANOTHER

SUBCOMMITTEE

AND WITHOUT THE MAYOR HERE
FOR
THIS ITEM.

MAYBE SHE WANTS TO CONTINUE.

DON'T KNOW.

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SO
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I'M FINE, YOU KNOW, PIVOTING

TO STAFF AND HAVING THEM
COME

BACK WITH INFORMATION, I GUESS,
ON THAT.

SO,
YEAH.

I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY
TONIGHT.

I DO -- I DO KNOW IT WAS NOTED

EARLIER, AND I'VE NOTED
BEFORE

THAT THE SCHOOLS DO HAVE

THEIR OWN
ELECTED OFFICIALS.

AND WHILE WE CAN CERTAINLY
WORK

WITH THEM, I DO THINK

THAT, YOU

KNOW, THEY NEED TO
TAKE

DIRECTION IN THE SCHOOLS, AND WE

COULD TAKE THE DIRECTION MAYBE

CIVICALLY, SO THAT'S MY ONLY
FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU.

WHERE DO WE WANT TO
GO?
COUNCIL MEMBER ZOLLMAN?

YEAH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND
JUST

MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS ITEM BE

RETURNED BACK ON THE OCTOBER
6th

CALENDER FOR STAFF'S

THOUGHTS

AND ANALYSIS ON THE CREATION
OF

AN AD HOC, WHETHER IT BE --
I

GUESS IT WOULD ONLY BE -- IF
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IT

WERE AN AD HOC IT WOULD JUST
BE
ONE.

THINKING THROUGH THIS WHETHER

STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND TO BE
AN

AD HOC, WHICH WOULD MEAN ONE

COUNCIL MEMBER

OR A STANDING,

WHICH WOULD REQUIRE
TWO.

A LIAISON COULD JUST BE ONE.

IF IT'S AN AD HOC IT WOULD BE
TWO.

THAT'S FINE.

SO I WOULD WANT STAFF'S THOUGHTS

ESPECIALLY AROUND STAFF TIME
TO

BE PART OF AN AD HOC AND ALSO

STAFF'S THOUGHTS ON

INCLUDING
POLICE OR NOT INCLUDING POLICE.

AND ALSO BASED UPON THE

DISCUSSION HERE FROM THE

MEMBERS

OF THE PUBLIC LIKE WHAT
ITEMS
YOU THINK ARE REASONABLE.

LIKE EVERY TIME WE CREATE
AN

AD HOC WE ALWAYS HAVE A
SCOPE,

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE STAFF'S IDEA

OF A SCOPE FOR THAT AD HOC
AND

THEN RETURN IT BACK ON

OCTOBER
6th.

SO THAT'S MY
MOTION.

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I'LL SECOND THAT
ONE.

CAN WE HEAR THAT AGAIN,
PLEASE?
SURE.BASICALLY

IN ESSENCE THAT WAS
A

LOT OF WORDS, BUT JUST TO
BRING
IT BACK FOR OCTOBER 6th TO HAVE

STAFF'S THOUGHTS ABOUT AN AD HOC

AND THEN ALSO THE

PARTICIPANTS,

LIKE WHO OF STAFF THEY
THINK

BASED UPON THE COMMUNITY'S
INPUT
SHOULD BE STAFFED TO IT.

AND THEN OURS ASSOCIATED.

LIKE, HOW MUCH THE CITY MANAGER

THINKS, HOURS TO BE EXPENDED
AND

ALSO THEIR DRAFT OF A SCOPE FOR
AN AD HOC.

WOULD YOU CONSIDER ADDING
TO

THAT TRAINING FOR RACIAL BIAS
ASAS

OF THAT MEETING
DISCUSSION?
SURE.

TO EXAMINE TRAINING RESTORATIVE
JUSTICE.

YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
LIMIT IT.

AND COULD YOU ADD TO
THAT
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ALSO A REQUEST FOR SAFEWAY
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TO

VOLUNTEER -- YOU KNOW,
TO ASK

THEM TO STEP UP WITH SOME
SOLUTIONS?

YEAH, I WOULD ACTUALLY
HOPE

ALL OF THAT GETS INTO
THE

AD HOC'S ACTIONS
LATER.

SCOPE.

I WAS ACTUALLY JUST GOING
TO
SAY THAT.

THAT COULD BECOME A PART
OF

SCOPE OF
WORK.

OKAY.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY
WE

HAVE HAD THOSE
CONVERSATIONS.

SO WE HAVE WHEN WE MET WITH THEM

HAVE ASKED THEM ABOUT CERTAIN

THINGS, WHAT THEY CAN --

BUT WE COULD PUT IT
IN

WRITING FROM THE CITY, MAKE IT
A
LITTLE STRONGER.

AND SO WE COULD MAKE

THAT SCOPE
OF WORK FOR THE AD HOC.

OKAY.

SO I THINK WE HAVE A
MOTION
AND A
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SECOND.

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COUNCIL MEMBER HINTON,
DID

YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP
UP?
I DID.

BUT COUNCIL MEMBER MAURER WENT

AHEAD AND ADDED IT, AND THAT WAS

THE BIAS, ANTI- -- YOU KNOW, THE

BIAS TRAINING THAT I DO

BELIEVE

SHOULD BE ADDED TO OUR TRAINING

SCHEDULE FOR BOTH FULL

COUNCIL

AND ALL MANAGEMENT

LEADERSHIP
WITHIN THE CITY.

OKAY.

ARE WE READY TO CALL THE VOTE?

SO SO MOVED BY COUNCIL
MEMBER

ZOLLMAN AND

SECONDED BY COUNCIL

MEMBER CARTER TO DIRECT STAFF
TO

RETURN WITH AN AGENDA ITEM TO
THE OCTOBER 6th CITY

COUNCIL

MEETING FOR CREATION OF
AN AD

HOC COMMITTEE IN RESPONSE
TO
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TONIGHT.

THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WILL
HAVE
STAFF

TIME, RECOMMENDATION FOR

STAFFING, SCOPE OF DUTIES AND

HOURS AS WELL AS
A

RECOMMENDATION FOR TRAINING
FOR

RACIAL BIAS FOR CITY COUNCIL AND
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MANAGEMENT.

AND I WILL CHECK WITH ON AN
SIDE

NOTE CHECK IN TO SEE IF THEY
HAVE THIS PROGRAM ALREADY.

COUNCIL MEMBER CARTER.

YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER HINTON.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER
HINTON.

MAY VICE MAYOR MAURER
IN
SUPPORT.

AND MAYOR McLEWIS ABSENT.

THANK
YOU.

THANK YOU,

EVERYONE, FOR COMING
TONIGHT.

OKAY, SO WE WILL -- WE HAVE
COMMENT.

THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.

SO THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY
FOR

PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT
ON
THE AGENDA.

IF YOU DID NOT SPEAK EARLIER
THIS EVENING.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN
THE

CHAMBERS THAT WANTS TO MAKE
A

PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AN ITEM
NOT

ON THE AGENDA THAT WAS
NOT
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ADDRESSED AND WAS NOT SPOKEN AT
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THE EARLIER PUBLIC COMMENT.

SEEING NONE, I WILL GO OUT
TO
ZOOM.

IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT
WOULD

LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT

FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA
AND

YOU DID NOT SPEAK IN

THE FIRST

PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD,
PLEASE
RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY.

SEEING NONE, THERE'S NO PUBLIC
COMMENT.

THANK YOU.

SO DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF REPORTS?

NO, WE HAVE NO REPORTS
TONIGHT.

OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER
REPORTS?

COUNCIL MEMBER
ZOLLMAN?
JUST BRIEFLY.

I KNOW YOU ALL GOT A LOT OF

E-MAILS FROM ME RELATED TO THE

RESHAPING AND THE DIRECTION
OF

THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH
THROUGH NOLAN.

I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO
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AT LEAST READ THE LAST ONE
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ABOUT -- THERE'S LIKE AT THE

BEGINNING OF THE

PARAGRAPH IT'S

LIKE THERE WILL BE A
STRAW

PULLED VOTE THE NEXT TIME
THE
SELECTED MEET.

PLEASE READ THEM AND SEND IT
TO
MARY.

DON'T SEND IT TO ME BECAUSE THAT
WILL CREATE A PROBLEM.

SEND IT TO ME AND I'LL SEND
IT

TO MARY FOR THAT MEETING SO
I

CONVEY ALL THE RIGHT STUFF FOR
YOU INTO THAT PROCESS.

THAT'S
ALL.

CAN YOU REPEAT ALL THAT
AGAIN

IS A STRAW POLE

VOTE AT THE END

OF WHAT
E-MAIL?
I THINK IT WAS AN EMAIL

NOLAN AT THE

DEPARTMENT OF

PUBLIC HEALTH SENT OUT
TODAY

THAT HAD THE

DOCUMENTS FROM
YESTERDAY'S MEETING.

IF YOU JUST SORT OF SCAN YOUR

E-MAILS IT WILL BE FROM TODAY,

AND THEN HE'LL SAY SOMETHING

ABOUT STRAW VOTE AT THE NEXT
MEETING.

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IF YOU CAN KIND OF REVIEW THAT

AND MARY WILL LET

ME KNOW SO I

CAN SHOW UP AT THE NEXT MEETING

AND NOT SPEAK ON THE BEHALF OF
MYSELF.

IT'S NOT IN THE
ATTACHMENT?
IT'S IN THE BODY OF THE E-MAIL?
OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE?

GOING ONCE, GOING
TWICE.

OKAY.

MEETING'S ADJOURNED.

GOOD JOB. [Event Concluded]
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